| jbicha | robert_ancell: good morning, do you have time today to look at sponsoring bug 1588913 or bug 1588938 ? | 00:42 |
|---|---|---|
| ubot5 | bug 1588913 in gnome-documents (Ubuntu Xenial) "SRU: New upstream release (3.18.3)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588913 | 00:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 1588938 in gnome-taquin (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] Replace gnome-taquin 3.18 CC-BY-SA 2.0 images" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588938 | 00:42 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, LGTM | 01:15 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, uploaded | 01:29 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: thanks! I think people have been pretty busy lately because the sponsoring queue had been filling up | 01:39 |
| robert_ancell | jbicha, always :) But always willing to respond to a direct request | 01:40 |
| hikiko | hi | 05:19 |
| TheMuso | Hey hikiko. | 05:22 |
| hikiko | Hi TheMuso | 05:23 |
| hikiko | How are you ? | 05:23 |
| TheMuso | hikiko: Not too bad thanks. Yourself? | 05:38 |
| hikiko | I'm fine, thanks | 05:39 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 06:17 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 06:22 |
| hikiko | hi seb128 pitti | 06:23 |
| qengho_ | Hi. | 06:27 |
| hikiko | hi qengho_ | 06:27 |
| hikiko | 02:27 am? | 06:27 |
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| seb128 | hey pitti hikiko qengho | 06:28 |
| qengho | I'm out-of-phase a bit. :) | 06:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, still enjoying Greece? | 06:29 |
| hikiko | are you in greece pitti ? | 06:29 |
| hikiko | where? | 06:29 |
| pitti | yes, kernel/foundations/security sprint in Athens | 06:29 |
| pitti | I'm enjoying the sun during the morning run and on the roof terrace in the evening | 06:29 |
| hikiko | oh, I thought you came for holidays... | 06:29 |
| pitti | otherwise, haven't seen much yet | 06:29 |
| pitti | but I have the Saturday for some tourism | 06:30 |
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| hikiko | :D | 06:30 |
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| Laney | ahoy | 08:03 |
| Laney | I was like "yay it's friday" | 08:04 |
| Laney | but then the inconvenient truth came along | 08:04 |
| didrocks | #fail :) | 08:04 |
| Laney | and slapped me upside the head | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney! | 08:04 |
| * Laney holds didrocks | 08:04 | |
| Laney | we're going to be okay | 08:04 |
| Laney | hi seb128! | 08:04 |
| Laney | how's it going? | 08:05 |
| seb128 | good! | 08:05 |
| Laney | So Wet | 08:06 |
| seb128 | weather turned good yesterday evening, had fun at tennis it was quite sunny from 7pm to 8:30pm | 08:06 |
| seb128 | too much sun at some point, couldn't see the ball well, but I'm not going to complain! | 08:06 |
| Laney | haha | 08:06 |
| Laney | lucky | 08:06 |
| seb128 | it's still ok this morning but they forecast rain again from this afternoon/evening until sunday :-/ | 08:07 |
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| Laney | there was some flooding down the road from here yesterday | 08:07 |
| seb128 | urg | 08:08 |
| Laney | https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13475027_10154318709373750_1714004059012618914_o.jpg | 08:21 |
| sarnold | wow :/ | 08:22 |
| Laney | and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAaLheUI-I&feature=youtu.be | 08:24 |
| Laney | that's the way I go to get to the climbing centre | 08:24 |
| Laney | good job yesterday was a day off :-) | 08:24 |
| Laney | looks like someone fixed tkamppeter's problem for him https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265683650/krb5_1.14.2+dfsg-1_1.14.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1.diff.gz | 08:26 |
| seb128 | thanks Steve! | 08:37 |
| willcooke | Laney, seb128 - further to the email I just sent, I've put a meeting in the calendar for tomorrow on spec. Let me know if it doesnt work | 08:39 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I was just going to reply, I can make it work, I usually meet people for lunch from 12 to 13 but I can skip tomorrow | 08:39 |
| willcooke | seb128, we can probably get it finished by 12 if that helps? | 08:41 |
| willcooke | I have a thing at my kids school until 11 (your time) - so we could start at say 11:15 for 30 mins? | 08:41 |
| seb128 | wfm | 08:41 |
| seb128 | I can be a bit late to lunch | 08:42 |
| seb128 | I mean if we go over the half an hour | 08:42 |
| seb128 | it's not a strong commitement | 08:42 |
| seb128 | but yeah, starting a bit earlier is nicer | 08:42 |
| seb128 | deal for 9:15utc? | 08:42 |
| Laney | k, what evssssssssssssssssssss, i'm easy | 08:43 |
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| hikiko | seb128, ping :) I have another ppa problem... when I upload my packages to my ppa unity fails to build for amd64 and compiz fails for both i386 and amd64 and I don't understand the problem from the buildlog... would you like to get a look when you have a moment? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hikiko, sorry, what ppa/can you share the logs url? | 09:02 |
| hikiko | https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lowgfx?field.series_filter=xenial | 09:03 |
| hikiko | the ppa | 09:03 |
| hikiko | and the logs: | 09:03 |
| hikiko | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265701977/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity_7.5.0+16.10.20160606.1-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz unity on amd64 | 09:03 |
| hikiko | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713158/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.compiz_1%3A0.9.12.2+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on amd64 | 09:03 |
| hikiko | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713412/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.compiz_1%3A0.9.12.2+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on i386 | 09:04 |
| hikiko | it's that ppa I am trying to create... | 09:04 |
| hikiko | also here are the steps I followed: | 09:04 |
| hikiko | https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/creating-an-ubuntu-desktop-ppa/ | 09:05 |
| Trevinho | morning | 09:06 |
| seb128 | hikiko, seems like bugs in the package for compiz | 09:06 |
| seb128 | and in tests (maybe flacky/needs retries?) for unity | 09:06 |
| seb128 | Trevinho might know better/be able to help you | 09:06 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey! | 09:06 |
| hikiko | hi Trevinho | 09:07 |
| Trevinho | hi hikiko | 09:22 |
| hikiko | Trevinho, | 09:22 |
| Trevinho | seb128, hikiko: there should a branch from muktupavels who fixed some tests | 09:22 |
| Trevinho | it has not merged though since it wasn't running in some archs | 09:23 |
| hikiko | I might disable all the tests for that ppa then | 09:23 |
| hikiko | since it's not official | 09:24 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, if you don't touch anything, just go to prime,strip there and then "snapcraft prime" you should get a new snap without having to rebuild | 09:28 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: backing up /snap right now. | 09:30 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, k, let me know how that goes/if it works | 09:43 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: still running, but looking good: usr/local/lib/libreoffice/program did shrink to 1/4th pre-squashing. | 09:45 |
| seb128 | woot | 09:45 |
| Trevinho | hikiko: yeah, just use cmake flags properly in that case | 09:48 |
| muktupavels | Trevinho: I did not fix tests... | 09:52 |
| muktupavels | do you have time to review my merge proposals? | 09:52 |
| hikiko | i did fix a test | 09:52 |
| hikiko | but that was merged | 09:52 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128, willcooke: -rw-r--r-- 1 bjoern bjoern 287M Jun 16 11:50 libreoffice_5.2.0.0.beta2_amd64.snap | 09:55 |
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| willcooke | Sweet5hark, is that the final size? | 10:28 |
| willcooke | like, it's done building | 10:28 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: yes, final size. | 10:29 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, O_o | 10:29 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, nicely done sir! | 10:29 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: note for a real release we still need l10n. So with that we will end up at ~500MB without symbols. | 10:30 |
| willcooke | Sweet5hark, ack | 10:30 |
| * Sweet5hark currently writes blogpost. | 10:30 | |
| dpm_ | Sweet5hark, good work! | 10:30 |
| dpm_ | Sweet5hark, quick question: do translations work, though? | 10:30 |
| dpm_ | I know they don't work in other snaps, but the LO one might be different | 10:30 |
| dpm_ | so if they do not work, it might be worth leaving them out until we get snaps to support them | 10:31 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/a-third-of-a-libreoffice-snap/ <- blogpost with details, will show up on libreoffice.org/planet.documentfoundation.org soon. | 10:43 |
| dpm_ | nice work Sweet5hark | 10:45 |
| willcooke | thank you Sweet5hark | 10:45 |
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| Sweet5hark | dpm_: in general translations should work. Currently the build with l10n loops in snapcraft -- weird, dunno why. So no l10n included for now. | 11:11 |
| Sweet5hark | dpm_: expect 100 l10ns to add around 200MBs still. | 11:11 |
| Sweet5hark | dpm_: or half to double that. | 11:12 |
| dpm_ | gotcha, thanks! | 11:13 |
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| seb128 | Sweet5hark, well done | 11:39 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: ping, I've dug a bit more into the LO snap and there is something strange going on | 12:23 |
| willcooke | mhall119, the new one or the old one? | 12:24 |
| tsdgeos | is there anyone we can tell at google about google-talkplugin_5.41.3.0-1_amd64.deb checksum being broken? | 12:24 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: libreoffice_5.2.0.0.beta1-hotfix1_amd64.snap | 12:24 |
| mhall119 | is there a newer one? | 12:24 |
| willcooke | mhall119, https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/libreoffice-5-2-0-beta2-as-a-snap-package/ | 12:25 |
| mhall119 | downloading now | 12:26 |
| willcooke | tsdgeos, I don't know anyone. Maybe qengho? | 12:26 |
| mhall119 | well that's much smaller, isn'tit | 12:26 |
| willcooke | :) | 12:26 |
| mhall119 | debug symbols, is that why it had 600MB+ .so files? | 12:27 |
| willcooke | mhall119, ya | 12:28 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: it looks like the snap include LibreOffice SDK, is that working? | 12:42 |
| mhall119 | willcooke: the snap still contains ./home/bjoern/ which looks to have some recursion going on, not sure if there's more fat to trim off there or just cleanup | 12:51 |
| willcooke | mhall119 -> Sweet5hark | 12:51 |
| mhall119 | it looks to contain a copy of usr/ in there | 12:55 |
| mhall119 | some of it anyway | 12:56 |
| mhall119 | du -sh ./home | 12:56 |
| mhall119 | 297M./home | 12:56 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: the sdk is included, not tested (its a pain to test it) | 12:56 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: urgh, ./home. yeah. thats https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1592873 for you | 12:58 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1592873 in snapcraft (Ubuntu) "snapcraft packs full paths to the build location" [Undecided,New] | 12:58 |
| Sweet5hark | I manually deleted the added paths each time so far, but not after rerunning snapcraft after stripping. | 12:59 |
| Sweet5hark | urgh. | 12:59 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: note though, while it is ugly, its likely not using extra space as the files there are duplicates of the ones in ./usr/local and squashfs should thus compress them down to ~nothing. | 13:01 |
| mhall119 | Sweet5hark: ack | 13:01 |
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| mhall119 | Sweet5hark: were you able to fix the problem with the window menu not appearing on other distros? | 13:02 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: not aware of that. | 13:04 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: And if I fixed it, I would still wait 6 hours for the rebuild. | 13:05 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: speaking of menus though, it sounds like it might be a gmenumodel/dbus/unity thing? IOW we build with support for exporting menus via dbus in snapcraft, but other distros are ... different. | 13:06 |
| mhall119 | Sweet5hark: but it should only do that on Unity, not other DEs, even on Ubuntu | 13:08 |
| mhall119 | it appears to be trying to do it regardless of DE (at least from the comments I've seen about it) | 13:08 |
| Sweet5hark | mhall119: well, reminder we are running a _beta_ using an _experimental_ gtk3 backend right now. speaking of which, Im surprised that the dbus-menus work in gtk3 at all. | 13:10 |
| mhall119 | Sweet5hark: I understand that, which is why I'm asking about bugs rather than comlaining :) | 13:11 |
| Laney | attente: "This example is not really production quality" ???? | 13:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, what example? | 14:00 |
| attente | Laney: that's the description that comes back from snapd, ev already knows about it | 14:37 |
| Laney | I know | 14:37 |
| Laney | are you sure you want to upload with this as a featured app? | 14:37 |
| Laney | is it going to be fixed soon? | 14:37 |
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| attente | let's wait to see what he says | 14:40 |
| attente | snapd also isn't giving us the correct icons for those featured snaps either | 14:41 |
| Laney | can if you want | 14:41 |
| Laney | but it doesn't look very great | 14:41 |
| Laney | indeed | 14:41 |
| seb128 | yeah | 14:41 |
| seb128 | it's down to on much we are asked to get that change in | 14:41 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ^ do you know? | 14:41 |
| willcooke | I don't, that requirement passed me by. I'll find out though | 14:42 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:42 |
| Laney | attente: this gs_plugin_add_popular looks shady | 15:39 |
| Laney | in snappy | 15:39 |
| Laney | what is it doing? | 15:39 |
| attente | manually adding those curated snaps, but since there are fewer than 7, populating the last three or so with other apps from the other backends | 15:40 |
| attente | otherwise the randomization will most likely not show those few curated snaps | 15:40 |
| attente | at some point for the next sru we have to read the list from an xml file online | 15:41 |
| Laney | you're supposed to just add to the list and let g-s choose which ones to show | 15:42 |
| Laney | is it some kind of requirement to promote the snaps? | 15:42 |
| Laney | most of them come from actual popular apps according to ubuntu reviews | 15:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, yes, I think there was requirement to promote snaps | 15:45 |
| Laney | this is weird though | 15:45 |
| seb128 | weird like? | 15:46 |
| Laney | in order to promote 4 snaps we remove every single popular app from the archive | 15:46 |
| Laney | other than 3 random ones | 15:46 |
| seb128 | we for sure don't remove anything from the archive | 15:46 |
| Laney | no | 15:46 |
| Laney | parse it differently | 15:46 |
| seb128 | rigtht, just making it clear for people lurking here | 15:46 |
| seb128 | I didn't look at the actual patch | 15:46 |
| seb128 | I would expect the 3 other picks to still be in the most popular ones | 15:47 |
| Laney | currently the picks are things that ubuntu reviews has at ≥ 4 stars | 15:47 |
| seb128 | but I guess that's not what the code does? | 15:47 |
| Laney | the remaining 3 will still be popular by that definition | 15:47 |
| seb128 | k | 15:47 |
| Laney | but it will always only be 3 things | 15:47 |
| seb128 | well, that's what we have been asked to do | 15:47 |
| Laney | and the other 4 will *always* be the same 4 snaps | 15:47 |
| seb128 | also it's temporary until there are most snaps a xml we can consume | 15:47 |
| seb128 | then things are going to not always be the same | 15:48 |
| seb128 | but yeah, it's basically what I was pinging willcooke about | 15:48 |
| seb128 | knowing how much that change is a strong requirement | 15:48 |
| Laney | I think it's a buggy requirement | 15:48 |
| seb128 | e.g if we can delay it to next round | 15:48 |
| seb128 | right, I agree with that | 15:49 |
| Laney | even if the XML exists | 15:49 |
| Laney | promoting something just because it is delivered in a particular way is weird | 15:49 |
| Laney | same with the big banner featured app too | 15:50 |
| Laney | the code deletes all the other ones so it's always going to be this shout thing | 15:50 |
| seb128 | how is the big banner decided? | 15:50 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit less sure than you on the "it's wrong to promote new things" | 15:52 |
| Laney | you can put them in the list | 15:52 |
| Laney | so they get the same chance as everything else | 15:52 |
| seb128 | depends on how much you want to promote them :p | 15:52 |
| Laney | It's not that interesting to users how it gets delivered | 15:54 |
| Laney | the exception being if you have the same thing delivered in two different ways | 15:55 |
| Laney | then you might want to show the one you think is best | 15:55 |
| Laney | I have to go to a vote remain debate(!!!!) | 15:58 |
| * Laney stayed late yesterday to go early | 15:58 | |
| Laney | but I pushed gnome-software to bzr, so if you think it's good | 15:58 |
| Laney | then upload | 15:58 |
| Laney | the description and icons can be fixed on the server as far as I know so if those are the only problems then they don't require any more code changes | 15:58 |
| Laney | I would upload to y and then add a backport entry for the SRU with ~ubuntu16.04.1 or something | 15:59 |
| Laney | the package will be the same | 15:59 |
| seb128 | Laney, enjoy the debate | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I read in the news that some remain campain woman got shoot | 16:00 |
| seb128 | and that they suspended the campain? | 16:00 |
| Laney | https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/vote-in-another-europe-is-possible-nottingham-event-tickets-25924580117 | 16:01 |
| Laney | yeah i heard something about that | 16:01 |
| Laney | grim | 16:01 |
| Laney | byeee | 16:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, let's see what willcooke says about the snaps recommends, but I agree on principle that it's wrong to promote them if they don't bring value, but you could argue than if confined the snap env brings value (more secure) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, bye | 16:01 |
| jbicha | snaps are kinda experimental right now to be promoting them heavily to LTS users | 16:02 |
| seb128 | jbicha, what makes you think they are experimental? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | snapd was released as part of the LTS on the iso | 16:03 |
| seb128 | with a proper stable version | 16:03 |
| jbicha | they are under heavry development, look at the changelog for snapd alone since 16.04 was final | 16:07 |
| seb128 | right | 16:07 |
| seb128 | doesn't mean they are experimental or unstable | 16:08 |
| seb128 | they just lack features | 16:08 |
| jbicha | ...compared to the .debs also available in the Software app | 16:08 |
| seb128 | right, nobody is removing the debs | 16:09 |
| seb128 | but yeah I agree it's a bit early to promote them to LTS users | 16:10 |
| seb128 | well at least for desktop apps | 16:10 |
| seb128 | but they picked only things that work well | 16:11 |
| seb128 | so why not | 16:11 |
| jbicha | ok, I haven't looked at snaps much to have any more specific issues to report, I was just piggybacking off Laney's skepticism | 16:13 |
| jbicha | and obviously snaps will continue improving | 16:14 |
| jbicha | thanks | 16:16 |
| seb128 | thank you for the feedback :-) | 16:16 |
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| jbicha | I guess it does say "Editor's Picks" | 16:31 |
| jbicha | here's a specific issue: the Cassandra database is featured but I don't believe it has a .desktop file | 16:32 |
| jbicha | and thus isn't something the Software app is designed to show | 16:32 |
| seb128 | you mean? | 16:34 |
| seb128 | the snap backend should be able to display the info page for any snap | 16:34 |
| seb128 | that just looks poor atm | 16:34 |
| seb128 | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262901733/krita_ubuntu_software.png | 16:34 |
| jbicha | the Software app intentionally excludes things that aren't "apps" | 16:34 |
| seb128 | backends decide what are apps though | 16:35 |
| seb128 | like the snap backend could flag any snap as one? | 16:35 |
| jbicha | same thing for Jenkins | 16:35 |
| jbicha | I mean you've got bugs like bug 1553211 which are closed more or less as WONTFIX where users are complaining that | 16:38 |
| ubot5 | bug 1553211 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins, kernels...) | Ubuntu desktop no longer provide graphical method to install non-GUI software components" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553211 | 16:38 |
| jbicha | Software only allows installing or uninstalling a portion of Ubuntu's packages | 16:38 |
| jbicha | so it's inconsistent that snaps aren't being filtered the same way | 16:39 |
| seb128 | right | 16:40 |
| jbicha | I'll just file a bug then :) | 16:41 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:41 |
| jbicha | oh wow, I'm still on snapd 2.0.2 since newer versions are stuck in y-proposed | 16:44 |
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| seb128 | attente, Laney, let's roll the snap picks/featured changes out of that SRU while it's still be discussed, ok? | 17:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, ^ | 17:13 |
| attente | seb128: ok | 17:13 |
| attente | willcooke: should we also roll back the snap name/summary change for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1555569 | 17:14 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1555569 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[snaps] Show human-readable names for store apps" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:14 |
| willcooke | *I* think so | 17:14 |
| willcooke | I think "Jenkins" vs "Jenkins automation ser.." is better | 17:14 |
| willcooke | and I think we should pause that until the store guys have their fix in | 17:15 |
| attente | for one-word snaps like jenkins, sure, but for something like the calculator snap, you'd get "ubuntu-calculator-app" | 17:16 |
| attente | still would rather roll that back though | 17:16 |
| willcooke | +1 | 17:22 |
| seb128 | have a nice evening desktopers | 18:00 |
| willcooke | cheers seb128 | 18:06 |
| davidcalle | willcooke: so, do you take work items here instead? :) | 18:44 |
| willcooke | damn it davidcalle, I told you not to call me at work | 18:44 |
| davidcalle | lol | 18:44 |
| seb128 | those frenchies, no manners | 18:47 |
| willcooke | I thought you'd finished for the day seb128!?! | 18:48 |
| willcooke | wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 18:48 |
| willcooke | my snap works! | 18:48 |
| seb128 | yeah, just hanging around watching the news with the laptop, waiting for dinner to be ready | 18:48 |
| seb128 | which it just is | 18:48 |
| seb128 | :-) | 18:49 |
| willcooke | enjo | 18:49 |
| willcooke | y | 18:49 |
| seb128 | thanks | 18:49 |
| seb128 | well done for the snap | 18:49 |
| seb128 | bbl | 18:49 |
| willcooke | l8r | 18:49 |
| willcooke | night all | 20:05 |
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