[00:42] robert_ancell: good morning, do you have time today to look at sponsoring bug 1588913 or bug 1588938 ? [00:42] bug 1588913 in gnome-documents (Ubuntu Xenial) "SRU: New upstream release (3.18.3)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588913 [00:42] bug 1588938 in gnome-taquin (Ubuntu) "[UIFE] Replace gnome-taquin 3.18 CC-BY-SA 2.0 images" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1588938 [01:15] jbicha, LGTM [01:29] jbicha, uploaded [01:39] robert_ancell: thanks! I think people have been pretty busy lately because the sponsoring queue had been filling up [01:40] jbicha, always :) But always willing to respond to a direct request [05:19] hi [05:22] Hey hikiko. [05:23] Hi TheMuso [05:23] How are you ? [05:38] hikiko: Not too bad thanks. Yourself? [05:39] I'm fine, thanks [06:17] good morning desktopers [06:22] bonjour seb128 ! [06:23] hi seb128 pitti [06:27] Hi. [06:27] hi qengho_ [06:27] 02:27 am? === qengho_ is now known as qengho [06:28] hey pitti hikiko qengho [06:28] I'm out-of-phase a bit. :) [06:29] pitti, still enjoying Greece? [06:29] are you in greece pitti ? [06:29] where? [06:29] yes, kernel/foundations/security sprint in Athens [06:29] I'm enjoying the sun during the morning run and on the roof terrace in the evening [06:29] oh, I thought you came for holidays... [06:29] otherwise, haven't seen much yet [06:30] but I have the Saturday for some tourism === sarnold_ is now known as sarnold [06:30] :D === faenil_ is now known as faenil [08:03] ahoy [08:04] I was like "yay it's friday" [08:04] but then the inconvenient truth came along [08:04] #fail :) [08:04] and slapped me upside the head [08:04] hey Laney! [08:04] * Laney holds didrocks [08:04] we're going to be okay [08:04] hi seb128! [08:05] how's it going? [08:05] good! [08:06] So Wet [08:06] weather turned good yesterday evening, had fun at tennis it was quite sunny from 7pm to 8:30pm [08:06] too much sun at some point, couldn't see the ball well, but I'm not going to complain! [08:06] haha [08:06] lucky [08:07] it's still ok this morning but they forecast rain again from this afternoon/evening until sunday :-/ === faenil is now known as faenil_ [08:07] there was some flooding down the road from here yesterday [08:08] urg [08:21] https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/13475027_10154318709373750_1714004059012618914_o.jpg [08:22] wow :/ [08:24] and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUAaLheUI-I&feature=youtu.be [08:24] that's the way I go to get to the climbing centre [08:24] good job yesterday was a day off :-) [08:26] looks like someone fixed tkamppeter's problem for him https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265683650/krb5_1.14.2+dfsg-1_1.14.2+dfsg-1ubuntu1.diff.gz [08:37] thanks Steve! [08:39] Laney, seb128 - further to the email I just sent, I've put a meeting in the calendar for tomorrow on spec. Let me know if it doesnt work [08:39] willcooke, I was just going to reply, I can make it work, I usually meet people for lunch from 12 to 13 but I can skip tomorrow [08:41] seb128, we can probably get it finished by 12 if that helps? [08:41] I have a thing at my kids school until 11 (your time) - so we could start at say 11:15 for 30 mins? [08:41] wfm [08:42] I can be a bit late to lunch [08:42] I mean if we go over the half an hour [08:42] it's not a strong commitement [08:42] but yeah, starting a bit earlier is nicer [08:42] deal for 9:15utc? [08:43] k, what evssssssssssssssssssss, i'm easy === faenil_ is now known as faenil [09:02] seb128, ping :) I have another ppa problem... when I upload my packages to my ppa unity fails to build for amd64 and compiz fails for both i386 and amd64 and I don't understand the problem from the buildlog... would you like to get a look when you have a moment? [09:02] hikiko, sorry, what ppa/can you share the logs url? [09:03] https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lowgfx?field.series_filter=xenial [09:03] the ppa [09:03] and the logs: [09:03] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265701977/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity_7.5.0+16.10.20160606.1-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz unity on amd64 [09:03] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713158/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.compiz_1%3A0.9.12.2+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on amd64 [09:04] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/265713412/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-i386.compiz_1%3A0.9.12.2+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz compiz on i386 [09:04] it's that ppa I am trying to create... [09:04] also here are the steps I followed: [09:05] https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/creating-an-ubuntu-desktop-ppa/ [09:06] morning [09:06] hikiko, seems like bugs in the package for compiz [09:06] and in tests (maybe flacky/needs retries?) for unity [09:06] Trevinho might know better/be able to help you [09:06] Trevinho, hey! [09:07] hi Trevinho [09:22] hi hikiko [09:22] Trevinho, [09:22] seb128, hikiko: there should a branch from muktupavels who fixed some tests [09:23] it has not merged though since it wasn't running in some archs [09:23] I might disable all the tests for that ppa then [09:24] since it's not official [09:28] Sweet5hark, if you don't touch anything, just go to prime,strip there and then "snapcraft prime" you should get a new snap without having to rebuild [09:30] seb128: backing up /snap right now. [09:43] Sweet5hark, k, let me know how that goes/if it works [09:45] seb128: still running, but looking good: usr/local/lib/libreoffice/program did shrink to 1/4th pre-squashing. [09:45] woot [09:48] hikiko: yeah, just use cmake flags properly in that case [09:52] Trevinho: I did not fix tests... [09:52] do you have time to review my merge proposals? [09:52] i did fix a test [09:52] but that was merged [09:55] seb128, willcooke: -rw-r--r-- 1 bjoern bjoern 287M Jun 16 11:50 libreoffice_5.2.0.0.beta2_amd64.snap === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [10:28] Sweet5hark, is that the final size? [10:28] like, it's done building [10:29] willcooke: yes, final size. [10:29] Sweet5hark, O_o [10:29] Sweet5hark, nicely done sir! [10:30] willcooke: note for a real release we still need l10n. So with that we will end up at ~500MB without symbols. [10:30] Sweet5hark, ack [10:30] * Sweet5hark currently writes blogpost. [10:30] Sweet5hark, good work! [10:30] Sweet5hark, quick question: do translations work, though? [10:30] I know they don't work in other snaps, but the LO one might be different [10:31] so if they do not work, it might be worth leaving them out until we get snaps to support them [10:43] willcooke: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/a-third-of-a-libreoffice-snap/ <- blogpost with details, will show up on libreoffice.org/planet.documentfoundation.org soon. [10:45] nice work Sweet5hark [10:45] thank you Sweet5hark === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [11:11] dpm_: in general translations should work. Currently the build with l10n loops in snapcraft -- weird, dunno why. So no l10n included for now. [11:11] dpm_: expect 100 l10ns to add around 200MBs still. [11:12] dpm_: or half to double that. [11:13] gotcha, thanks! === dpm_ is now known as dpm [11:39] Sweet5hark, well done [12:23] willcooke: ping, I've dug a bit more into the LO snap and there is something strange going on [12:24] mhall119, the new one or the old one? [12:24] is there anyone we can tell at google about google-talkplugin_5.41.3.0-1_amd64.deb checksum being broken? [12:24] willcooke: libreoffice_5.2.0.0.beta1-hotfix1_amd64.snap [12:24] is there a newer one? [12:25] mhall119, https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/libreoffice-5-2-0-beta2-as-a-snap-package/ [12:26] downloading now [12:26] tsdgeos, I don't know anyone. Maybe qengho? [12:26] well that's much smaller, isn'tit [12:26] :) [12:27] debug symbols, is that why it had 600MB+ .so files? [12:28] mhall119, ya [12:42] willcooke: it looks like the snap include LibreOffice SDK, is that working? [12:51] willcooke: the snap still contains ./home/bjoern/ which looks to have some recursion going on, not sure if there's more fat to trim off there or just cleanup [12:51] mhall119 -> Sweet5hark [12:55] it looks to contain a copy of usr/ in there [12:56] some of it anyway [12:56] du -sh ./home [12:56] 297M ./home [12:56] mhall119: the sdk is included, not tested (its a pain to test it) [12:58] mhall119: urgh, ./home. yeah. thats https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1592873 for you [12:58] Launchpad bug 1592873 in snapcraft (Ubuntu) "snapcraft packs full paths to the build location" [Undecided,New] [12:59] I manually deleted the added paths each time so far, but not after rerunning snapcraft after stripping. [12:59] urgh. [13:01] mhall119: note though, while it is ugly, its likely not using extra space as the files there are duplicates of the ones in ./usr/local and squashfs should thus compress them down to ~nothing. [13:01] Sweet5hark: ack === jhernandez is now known as jhernandez_ [13:02] Sweet5hark: were you able to fix the problem with the window menu not appearing on other distros? [13:04] mhall119: not aware of that. [13:05] mhall119: And if I fixed it, I would still wait 6 hours for the rebuild. [13:06] mhall119: speaking of menus though, it sounds like it might be a gmenumodel/dbus/unity thing? IOW we build with support for exporting menus via dbus in snapcraft, but other distros are ... different. [13:08] Sweet5hark: but it should only do that on Unity, not other DEs, even on Ubuntu [13:08] it appears to be trying to do it regardless of DE (at least from the comments I've seen about it) [13:10] mhall119: well, reminder we are running a _beta_ using an _experimental_ gtk3 backend right now. speaking of which, Im surprised that the dbus-menus work in gtk3 at all. [13:11] Sweet5hark: I understand that, which is why I'm asking about bugs rather than comlaining :) [13:57] attente: "This example is not really production quality" ???? [14:00] Laney, what example? [14:37] Laney: that's the description that comes back from snapd, ev already knows about it [14:37] I know [14:37] are you sure you want to upload with this as a featured app? [14:37] is it going to be fixed soon? === jhernandez is now known as jhernandez_ === olli__ is now known as olli [14:40] let's wait to see what he says [14:41] snapd also isn't giving us the correct icons for those featured snaps either [14:41] can if you want [14:41] but it doesn't look very great [14:41] indeed [14:41] yeah [14:41] it's down to on much we are asked to get that change in [14:41] willcooke, ^ do you know? [14:42] I don't, that requirement passed me by. I'll find out though [14:42] thanks [15:39] attente: this gs_plugin_add_popular looks shady [15:39] in snappy [15:39] what is it doing? [15:40] manually adding those curated snaps, but since there are fewer than 7, populating the last three or so with other apps from the other backends [15:40] otherwise the randomization will most likely not show those few curated snaps [15:41] at some point for the next sru we have to read the list from an xml file online [15:42] you're supposed to just add to the list and let g-s choose which ones to show [15:42] is it some kind of requirement to promote the snaps? [15:43] most of them come from actual popular apps according to ubuntu reviews [15:45] Laney, yes, I think there was requirement to promote snaps [15:45] this is weird though [15:46] weird like? [15:46] in order to promote 4 snaps we remove every single popular app from the archive [15:46] other than 3 random ones [15:46] we for sure don't remove anything from the archive [15:46] no [15:46] parse it differently [15:46] rigtht, just making it clear for people lurking here [15:46] I didn't look at the actual patch [15:47] I would expect the 3 other picks to still be in the most popular ones [15:47] currently the picks are things that ubuntu reviews has at ≥ 4 stars [15:47] but I guess that's not what the code does? [15:47] the remaining 3 will still be popular by that definition [15:47] k [15:47] but it will always only be 3 things [15:47] well, that's what we have been asked to do [15:47] and the other 4 will *always* be the same 4 snaps [15:47] also it's temporary until there are most snaps a xml we can consume [15:48] then things are going to not always be the same [15:48] but yeah, it's basically what I was pinging willcooke about [15:48] knowing how much that change is a strong requirement [15:48] I think it's a buggy requirement [15:48] e.g if we can delay it to next round [15:49] right, I agree with that [15:49] even if the XML exists [15:49] promoting something just because it is delivered in a particular way is weird [15:50] same with the big banner featured app too [15:50] the code deletes all the other ones so it's always going to be this shout thing [15:50] how is the big banner decided? [15:52] I'm a bit less sure than you on the "it's wrong to promote new things" [15:52] you can put them in the list [15:52] so they get the same chance as everything else [15:52] depends on how much you want to promote them :p [15:54] It's not that interesting to users how it gets delivered [15:55] the exception being if you have the same thing delivered in two different ways [15:55] then you might want to show the one you think is best [15:58] I have to go to a vote remain debate(!!!!) [15:58] * Laney stayed late yesterday to go early [15:58] but I pushed gnome-software to bzr, so if you think it's good [15:58] then upload [15:58] the description and icons can be fixed on the server as far as I know so if those are the only problems then they don't require any more code changes [15:59] I would upload to y and then add a backport entry for the SRU with ~ubuntu16.04.1 or something [15:59] the package will be the same [16:00] Laney, enjoy the debate [16:00] I read in the news that some remain campain woman got shoot [16:00] and that they suspended the campain? [16:01] https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/vote-in-another-europe-is-possible-nottingham-event-tickets-25924580117 [16:01] yeah i heard something about that [16:01] grim [16:01] byeee [16:01] Laney, let's see what willcooke says about the snaps recommends, but I agree on principle that it's wrong to promote them if they don't bring value, but you could argue than if confined the snap env brings value (more secure) [16:01] Laney, bye [16:02] snaps are kinda experimental right now to be promoting them heavily to LTS users [16:03] jbicha, what makes you think they are experimental? [16:03] snapd was released as part of the LTS on the iso [16:03] with a proper stable version [16:07] they are under heavry development, look at the changelog for snapd alone since 16.04 was final [16:07] right [16:08] doesn't mean they are experimental or unstable [16:08] they just lack features [16:08] ...compared to the .debs also available in the Software app [16:09] right, nobody is removing the debs [16:10] but yeah I agree it's a bit early to promote them to LTS users [16:10] well at least for desktop apps [16:11] but they picked only things that work well [16:11] so why not [16:13] ok, I haven't looked at snaps much to have any more specific issues to report, I was just piggybacking off Laney's skepticism [16:14] and obviously snaps will continue improving [16:16] thanks [16:16] thank you for the feedback :-) === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [16:31] I guess it does say "Editor's Picks" [16:32] here's a specific issue: the Cassandra database is featured but I don't believe it has a .desktop file [16:32] and thus isn't something the Software app is designed to show [16:34] you mean? [16:34] the snap backend should be able to display the info page for any snap [16:34] that just looks poor atm [16:34] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262901733/krita_ubuntu_software.png [16:34] the Software app intentionally excludes things that aren't "apps" [16:35] backends decide what are apps though [16:35] like the snap backend could flag any snap as one? [16:35] same thing for Jenkins [16:38] I mean you've got bugs like bug 1553211 which are closed more or less as WONTFIX where users are complaining that [16:38] bug 1553211 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "gnome-software does not treat recommends and suggests as plugins to applications | impossible to install "technical" packages (plugins, kernels...) | Ubuntu desktop no longer provide graphical method to install non-GUI software components" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1553211 [16:38] Software only allows installing or uninstalling a portion of Ubuntu's packages [16:39] so it's inconsistent that snaps aren't being filtered the same way [16:40] right [16:41] I'll just file a bug then :) [16:41] thanks [16:44] oh wow, I'm still on snapd 2.0.2 since newer versions are stuck in y-proposed === dpm-afk is now known as dpm [17:12] attente, Laney, let's roll the snap picks/featured changes out of that SRU while it's still be discussed, ok? [17:13] willcooke, ^ [17:13] seb128: ok [17:14] willcooke: should we also roll back the snap name/summary change for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1555569 [17:14] Launchpad bug 1555569 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[snaps] Show human-readable names for store apps" [Medium,Triaged] [17:14] *I* think so [17:14] I think "Jenkins" vs "Jenkins automation ser.." is better [17:15] and I think we should pause that until the store guys have their fix in [17:16] for one-word snaps like jenkins, sure, but for something like the calculator snap, you'd get "ubuntu-calculator-app" [17:16] still would rather roll that back though [17:22] +1 [18:00] have a nice evening desktopers [18:06] cheers seb128 [18:44] willcooke: so, do you take work items here instead? :) [18:44] damn it davidcalle, I told you not to call me at work [18:44] lol [18:47] those frenchies, no manners [18:48] I thought you'd finished for the day seb128!?! [18:48] wooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooooo [18:48] my snap works! [18:48] yeah, just hanging around watching the news with the laptop, waiting for dinner to be ready [18:48] which it just is [18:49] :-) [18:49] enjo [18:49] y [18:49] thanks [18:49] well done for the snap [18:49] bbl [18:49] l8r [20:05] night all