| Bashing-om | Back. 16.04 upgrade .. smooth as silk . | 00:35 |
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| Bashing-om | And gome for the naunce . | 03:33 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 09:11 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 12:21 |
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| lotuspsychje | good evening to all | 16:53 |
| daftykins | hello there stranger! | 16:54 |
| lotuspsychje | howdy daftykins :p | 16:54 |
| ducasse | well well, the working man returns :) | 16:55 |
| lotuspsychje | hi ducasse | 16:55 |
| ducasse | how is the job? | 16:55 |
| lotuspsychje | great and crowdy | 16:56 |
| lotuspsychje | ive ordered my VAT number to start the ubuntu business aswell | 16:57 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 16:57 |
| BluesKaj | ahh lotuspsychje has a new gig, congrats! | 16:57 |
| lotuspsychje | but there is some weird belgian law saying, if im gonna repair computers, ill need a electronic certicicate or something | 16:57 |
| daftykins | he's gonna cater for the #ubuntu-discuss celebratory lunch too *cough* | 16:57 |
| daftykins | lotuspsychje: weird! what does that involve? | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychje | so im negotiating what it really means | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychje | if another IT business is jaleous, they could use this against me | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj :p | 16:59 |
| BluesKaj | hi lotuspsychje :-) | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | so i asked a link/list of what this ceriticate holds in exactly...can i format or just upgrade ram/hd or not? | 16:59 |
| daftykins | hmm | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | like putting a new cmos battery in mobo | 17:01 |
| daftykins | pesky roadblocks of bureaucracy | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | is also electro related right | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | so my accountant warned me, if i dont have this certificate i should be carefull what to mention on a customers bill | 17:02 |
| lotuspsychje | not describing repair stuff | 17:02 |
| daftykins | ugh | 17:03 |
| ducasse | you can't even swap components like hdd -> ssd? | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | i dont know, thats what im trying to find out | 17:03 |
| OerHeks | nope, all screws are under protected laws. | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | when a john doe orders an online ssd, he doesnt need a certificate tu put it in right | 17:04 |
| OerHeks | if you can open it with your bare hands, like the customer, you are fine | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | OerHeks: but my business will be different ordering barebones, where im supposed to unscrew | 17:04 |
| lotuspsychje | dirty politics | 17:05 |
| ducasse | then have a finger amputated and replaced with a screwdriver. | 17:05 |
| OerHeks | dirty webshops kill business | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 17:05 |
| daftykins | XD | 17:05 |
| lotuspsychje | the more stuff i encounter liek this, the more it motivates me to beat them | 17:06 |
| lotuspsychje | its the opensource thinking inside me :p | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | too many lawyers and litigations in the form of frivolous lawsuits are creating a very strange business atmosphere nowadays | 17:07 |
| lotuspsychje | all windows IT businesses wont like see my new business right | 17:07 |
| daftykins | not true, i certainly couldn't care less about a Loonix one :D | 17:08 |
| lotuspsychje | so my accountant says, as long as i dont have this certificate, one should mention 'general works' on the customers bill | 17:08 |
| lotuspsychje | to, not wake up the lawsuits | 17:08 |
| daftykins | i often find folks aren't bright enough to drive Windows, so i wouldn't hugely fancy supporting a Loonix :D | 17:09 |
| daftykins | yeah just list a value for 'labour' perhaps | 17:09 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 17:09 |
| lotuspsychje | but im digging deeper now, asking who's asking this certificate, and what it lists and what can and cannot | 17:10 |
| lotuspsychje | would be crazy to have an elektro engineer degree to install software right? | 17:10 |
| ducasse | don't you know anyone working in such a place who might know the details? | 17:11 |
| daftykins | yep, but in a computer shop it'd be tough to prove you really are only doing software | 17:11 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yes, ive send some mails already im gonna findout soon | 17:12 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: another way could be working with a repair company nearby, that has this degree | 17:12 |
| lotuspsychje | only for the heavy repair jobs, mobo,screen,stuff like that | 17:13 |
| lotuspsychje | but of course i wanna do most myself | 17:13 |
| daftykins | mmm, i reckon remain as autonomous as you can | 17:13 |
| lotuspsychje | meaning? | 17:14 |
| daftykins | free standing, no reliance on others | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah i feel the same way too | 17:14 |
| lotuspsychje | only the hardware ordering i will relay on | 17:14 |
| daftykins | as it is now, i find it really unbearable when work relies on other people :) | 17:15 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: I hope that guy doesn't really have clients | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: best way is doing it our own way right | 17:15 |
| lotuspsychje | !info network-manager | 17:16 |
| ubot5 | network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 (xenial), package size 2070 kB, installed size 10756 kB (Only available for linux-any) | 17:16 |
| lotuspsychje | seems like this one fixed all my bugs | 17:16 |
| daftykins | yip, as long as it meets all the laws :) you never know, it might be quite easy to meet all that rubbish - just have to take the time to do some reading perhaps | 17:18 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: well ive chosen the right accountant for sure, warning me for this.. | 17:18 |
| daftykins | :D | 17:19 |
| daftykins | i need to get finding one, this year is almost over :P | 17:19 |
| nacc | tgm4883: yeah ... | 17:23 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: ha, I had read that differently in that he was hosting websites for people | 17:27 |
| nacc | tgm4883: :) good clarifying question, then! | 17:27 |
| daftykins | if you folks are talking about a person asking for help that claims to run a business, in #ubuntu , it wouldn't be the first time ;) | 17:29 |
| daftykins | one is a serial non-payer that tries to offer jobs | 17:29 |
| nacc | lol | 17:29 |
| OerHeks | daftykins, you are reffering to "i need to do all my servers.."? | 17:41 |
| OerHeks | :-D | 17:41 |
| nacc | daftykins: it is interesting how many folks seem to come to the channel, and the gut feeling i get is they are a sysadmin somewhere (probably small) and don't know how to do something for their job (or school, sometimes) | 17:42 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 17:43 |
| daftykins | sometimes the timing on when they decide to bring it up is the largest eyebrow raiser ;) | 17:43 |
| daftykins | figures that whenever i've asked something, i've gotten nothing and ended up solving it myself :D | 17:43 |
| nacc | daftykins: :) | 17:44 |
| lotuspsychje | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/oneplus-3-to-become-an-unofficial-ubuntu-phone-development-will-start-soon-505299.shtml | 17:49 |
| daftykins | i bought the one and two to sell on immediately for profit, they're way too big :) | 17:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah im sticking to my bq | 17:51 |
| lotuspsychje | howdy Bashing-om | 18:01 |
| lotuspsychje | hey EriC^^ | 18:21 |
| EriC^^ | hey lotuspsychje | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | how's it going? | 18:22 |
| lotuspsychje | great EriC^^ and you? | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | good thanks | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | how's work? | 18:22 |
| lotuspsychje | crowdy but fun to do in the kitchen | 18:22 |
| EriC^^ | cool | 18:22 |
| lotuspsychje | we are with 3 in peak times in kitchen | 18:23 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: have you read "The Food Lab"? it's sort of a cookbook, sort of a science book about cooking | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: no, not yet what kind of science is it? | 18:24 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: the author is a chef -- but he does some analyses for why certain kinds of cooking work, and explains it at the chemical/physical level. So, for instance, what is happening to a egg as you boil it for varying times, or how long you cook a steak for, etc | 18:25 |
| lotuspsychje | ah, interesting | 18:26 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: my wife got it for me for christmas last year, it's pretty interesting, and also has some good recipes :) | 18:26 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: well at my new work, we have to stick to their methods pretty well, so :p | 18:28 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: yeah, this would probably just be for you :) | 18:29 |
| lotuspsychje | but i also need cutting techniques | 18:29 |
| nacc | let me see, i think there is a chapter on that too | 18:29 |
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| nacc | lotuspsychje: yeah, there's a whole bunch of knife skills stuff, including the best way to breakdown a chicken, etc :) | 18:30 |
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| lotuspsychje | nacc: that sounds cool | 18:31 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: and lots of pictures, etc. It's a massive book (~1000 pages) | 18:31 |
| lotuspsychje | wow | 18:31 |
| nacc | but it appeals to my science-y wanting to know why to cook things a certain way | 18:32 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah it sounds pretty interesting | 18:32 |
| nacc | the author is J. Kenji Lopez-Alt | 18:32 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme try to find :p | 18:33 |
| daftykins | nacc: was it a subtle suggestion prior to a birthday about a breakfast in bed? ;) | 18:33 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:34 |
| EriC^^ | xD | 18:34 |
| nacc | daftykins: lol | 18:34 |
| tgm4883 | nacc: man, sometimes it's like pulling teeth | 18:35 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.kenjilopezalt.com/ | 18:36 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: yep that's the book | 18:36 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: it's well-written too, i've found, which is nice | 18:36 |
| lotuspsychje | its like the age of investigation we live in | 18:38 |
| EriC^^ | i've come to the conclusion that i7 4 core are a little over rated i think for daily use | 18:39 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: howso? | 18:39 |
| EriC^^ | i tried this i3 2core 2.0ghz like opening programs and stuff it opens at the same time + virtualbox + firefox and few tabs runs without any delays and stuff | 18:39 |
| EriC^^ | i'm thinking to get a i7 6500u , 2 core 2.5ghz 4mb cache | 18:40 |
| EriC^^ | it says it's supposed to be like 50% better than the i3 | 18:40 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: depends what usage the daily use will be right | 18:40 |
| EriC^^ | there's also an i5 6200u 2.3ghz 3mb cache , the i7 is 10% faster than it | 18:41 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i mean daily usage like surfing the web, maybe a virtualbox, stuff like that | 18:41 |
| lotuspsychje | i5 will surely fit your needs then | 18:41 |
| EriC^^ | the i5 6200u is $50 cheaper | 18:41 |
| EriC^^ | i think the $50 is worth it i guess | 18:42 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah sure | 18:42 |
| EriC^^ | 3mb -> 4mb cache and 2.3ghz -> 2.5ghz | 18:42 |
| EriC^^ | btw lotuspsychje i noticed most laptops now come with freedos so you can easily get one without an os | 18:43 |
| lotuspsychje | but i think i would invest the money for an ssd instead of more cpu | 18:43 |
| EriC^^ | also with the hdd they have, you might be able to get one that has msata (or something i forgot the name) and just add the ssd to it | 18:43 |
| EriC^^ | and keep the big hdd it has | 18:43 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i want to get the samsung 850 evo, i didn't find any leb dealers though, they seem to have kingston but i read kingston sucks ass | 18:44 |
| EriC^^ | it's slower | 18:44 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah defenatly go for samsung :p | 18:44 |
| EriC^^ | the 850 evo and 850 pro same thing except the nand thing is different so it has a 10yr warranty instead of 5 with the evo right? | 18:45 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 18:45 |
| lotuspsychje | the 850 pro series are taken mostly for server usage also | 18:45 |
| lotuspsychje | as they have big warranty time and can get hammered alot | 18:46 |
| EriC^^ | i was thinking to get a msi at first, they have a model that isn't for gaming really, i7 6700hq 4 core 6mb and 2.7ghz but i read that the battery lasts only 1 hour and the touchpad sucks ass on it | 18:46 |
| lotuspsychje | for desktop evo series are great | 18:46 |
| EriC^^ | it seemed great otherwise though, has a ssd and nvidia 960m and fhd screen | 18:47 |
| EriC^^ | aha | 18:47 |
| EriC^^ | i'm still going to maybe look at other shops here if i find an hp that has i7 4 core i'll probably get it | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | EriC^^: gonna investigate this freedos, would that mean there is no windows license on the back? | 18:48 |
| EriC^^ | yeah no windows | 18:48 |
| EriC^^ | the laptops that have it are cheaper | 18:48 |
| lotuspsychje | interesting | 18:48 |
| EriC^^ | they're everywhere | 18:49 |
| EriC^^ | this is the hp i'm thinking about, it's a good deal i think | 18:49 |
| lotuspsychje | lets say i find a webshop with a 300$ hp freedos | 18:49 |
| lotuspsychje | i could get the 500hd out for external storage and plugin a samsung ssd | 18:49 |
| EriC^^ | you might be interested in this other one, it's the $50 cheaper one http://mojitech.net/shop/product/hp-lebanon-best-prices-laptop-hp-15-ac163ne-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd-2gb-vga/ | 18:50 |
| EriC^^ | it's basically the same thing just 10% less cpu (i5 6200u vs i7 6500u) | 18:50 |
| EriC^^ | $540, it's a steal i think, especially for leb prices | 18:50 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah great price | 18:51 |
| lotuspsychje | with a radeon R5 | 18:51 |
| EriC^^ | it has freedos, the 1tb hdd you could get a case for it and sata to usb adapter and give it as an external storage | 18:52 |
| daftykins | EriC^^: i definitely found an i5 with SSD to kick the rear of an i3 with SSD, though that's in desktop form - definitely go i5 minimum for myself in a laptop, too | 18:52 |
| EriC^^ | like 512gb ssd + 1tb ext hdd storage | 18:52 |
| daftykins | yeah that's a good idea | 18:52 |
| daftykins | get an enclosure with UASP capable USB 3.0 though, way faster. | 18:52 |
| EriC^^ | btw i fully installed ubuntu to the lenovo today | 18:53 |
| lotuspsychje | 512 ssd gonna be lil expensive though | 18:53 |
| EriC^^ | it played nicely with the uefi, in the bios i just hit f6 to switch ubuntu to the top of the efi list and it boots ubuntu happily | 18:53 |
| daftykins | :) yeah it's often a lot easier than the folks in #ubuntu will have you think | 18:53 |
| daftykins | mmm i'd say 512GB was a bit overkill for a Linux | 18:54 |
| EriC^^ | samsung 256gb costs like $140 on amazon it's a steal | 18:54 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah thats a good deal | 18:54 |
| OerHeks | dont have efi, dont have windows 10, i am just a poor boy from a little country | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:55 |
| lotuspsychje | shhhhh OerHeks dont wake gill bates | 18:55 |
| daftykins | OerHeks: scare a tux! scare a tux! will you enable CSM, now? | 18:55 |
| * daftykins wails | 18:55 | |
| OerHeks | wobbly windows, yes | 18:56 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 18:56 |
| lotuspsychje | works like a charm on xenial | 18:56 |
| OerHeks | snappy on windows 10 | 18:56 |
| lotuspsychje | haha | 18:56 |
| lotuspsychje | snapp on ubuwin | 18:58 |
| lotuspsychje | install telegram snap on windows ubuntu bash then get a windows rootkit over from a friend and get infected :p | 19:02 |
| lotuspsychje | then quickly buy windows 11 forced upgrade | 19:03 |
| Bashing-om | EriC^^: Mu notes: **) www.amazon.com -> Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $84.58 >> $71.00 Newegg But out of stock (older info ) . | 19:03 |
| daftykins | the only way you're getting a rootkit on Windows is if you've a time machine to go back and you're enough an idiot to go looking for one | 19:03 |
| EriC^^ | Bashing-om: $84 mm | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | could have sworn it was like $140 | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | nice it is! | 19:04 |
| EriC^^ | depends on who's selling it | 19:05 |
| Bashing-om | EriC^^: I do not have a date, but fairly recent .. say about a month old ? | 19:05 |
| EriC^^ | even $70! | 19:05 |
| lotuspsychje | im gonna try making a deal with ssd's buying per 10 | 19:06 |
| lotuspsychje | to get % discount | 19:06 |
| EriC^^ | ohh | 19:06 |
| lotuspsychje | some webshops go for business accounts | 19:06 |
| EriC^^ | my bad, the 512gb is $150 , the 256gb is $90 | 19:06 |
| lotuspsychje | based on how much you buy | 19:07 |
| EriC^^ | it's pretty cheap | 19:07 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah prices for ssd are lowering | 19:07 |
| daftykins | my M.2 PCIe SSDs are making my old SATA ones look like beginners now, when doing updates etc | 19:08 |
| EriC^^ | yeah i remember once last year you told me about ssd and i checked online and thought maybe in a few years.. it was like $600 or something i remember | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | my first sandisk ssd was 8gig SLC and cost me 120$ | 19:09 |
| lotuspsychje | but..still fast as rocket | 19:09 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:10 |
| Bashing-om | EriC^^: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=850+EVO&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A850+EVO . $89.99 . | 19:11 |
| EriC^^ | damn, the lenovo is kernel panicing or something | 19:14 |
| EriC^^ | it freezes, and the caps lock starts blinking, then after powering down if i dont remove the ac plug it makes a loud beep, only on ubuntu 3rd time it's happened, dmesg time | 19:14 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 19:14 |
| lotuspsychje | oO | 19:15 |
| Bashing-om | EriC^^: /me hands over a strong cup of black coffee as an aid in reading log files . | 19:15 |
| EriC^^ | hehe, thanks :D | 19:16 |
| EriC^^ | nothing in syslog about anything | 19:19 |
| ducasse | EriC^^: what about kern.log? | 19:19 |
| daftykins | maybe try the one-last kernel? | 19:20 |
| EriC^^ | also kern.log doesn't have anything | 19:21 |
| EriC^^ | it's running the 4.6rc6 right now since i copied over my install from the hp | 19:21 |
| daftykins | best go cook, half 8 already! | 19:21 |
| daftykins | mainline? that's a bad EriC^^ :P | 19:21 |
| EriC^^ | maybe that's it? i'll give the 4 a try | 19:21 |
| EriC^^ | i had to for the hp :p suspend issues | 19:21 |
| daftykins | eww | 19:21 |
| EriC^^ | ok, rebooting into the repo kernel | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | !info linux-image-generic yakkety | 19:23 |
| ubot5 | linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.25.26 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB | 19:23 |
| nacc | i don't think they've bumped kernels yet | 19:23 |
| nacc | as in, yakkety is xenial kernel-wise | 19:23 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | but ive read something about yakkety kernel recently | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | on release perhaps | 19:24 |
| lotuspsychje | 4.8 it was | 19:24 |
| nacc | that would probably make sense, presuming 4.7 comes out quickly | 19:25 |
| nacc | timing wise | 19:25 |
| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-will-be-powered-by-linux-kernel-4-8-505041.shtml | 19:25 |
| EriC^^ | holy shit, it booted into windows | 19:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | i entered the bios again and windows was on top of the efi list again | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | lenovo you slippery snake | 19:28 |
| EriC^^ | efi file switching time :D | 19:29 |
| lotuspsychje | i cant stand uefi | 19:29 |
| EriC^^ | the manufacturers suck, bill gates bitches | 19:29 |
| lotuspsychje | its an evil method to get customers nailed to the money Os | 19:29 |
| EriC^^ | it's nice as a system i think, it's a little elegant and more modular and stuff | 19:30 |
| EriC^^ | but the manufacturers make it difficult to boot other os | 19:30 |
| lotuspsychje | yep | 19:31 |
| Bashing-om | I upgraded one of my installs last eve to 16.04. runs good .. on this ole box I am good 'til 2021 . :) | 19:31 |
| lotuspsychje | great Bashing-om | 19:32 |
| ducasse | the uefi implementation on my asus motherboard is actually really nice. i like it a lot more than the legacy system... | 19:32 |
| lotuspsychje | there was nothing wrong with bios | 19:32 |
| EriC^^ | ok, so when you power it down it switches windows and ubuntu in the efi list again | 19:42 |
| EriC^^ | anyways i switched the files and it's all good now :D | 19:43 |
| lotuspsychje | great | 19:45 |
| Bashing-om | EriC^^: When you are good, you are good . :) | 19:52 |
| EriC^^ | :) | 19:59 |
| lotuspsychje | laterz guys, going to sheepland | 20:03 |
| EriC^^ | :D | 20:04 |
| lotuspsychje | 1 tux, 2 tux, 3 tux | 20:04 |
| EriC^^ | later | 20:04 |
| EriC^^ | lol | 20:04 |
| lotuspsychje | byebye :p | 20:04 |
| EriC^^ | bye :D | 20:04 |
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