[00:35] Back. 16.04 upgrade .. smooth as silk . === IdleOne is now known as Guest64561 [03:33] And gome for the naunce . === JanC is now known as Guest67075 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [09:11] Good morning. === pavlushka is now known as tareq2 === tareq2 is now known as pavlushka === pavlushka is now known as DJ3 === DJ3 is now known as pavlushka [12:21] Hi all === tinocoff is now known as tinoco === Guest64561 is now known as IdleOne === nacc_ is now known as nacc [16:53] good evening to all [16:54] hello there stranger! [16:54] howdy daftykins :p [16:55] well well, the working man returns :) [16:55] hi ducasse [16:55] how is the job? [16:56] great and crowdy [16:57] ive ordered my VAT number to start the ubuntu business aswell [16:57] \o/ [16:57] ahh lotuspsychje has a new gig, congrats! [16:57] but there is some weird belgian law saying, if im gonna repair computers, ill need a electronic certicicate or something [16:57] he's gonna cater for the #ubuntu-discuss celebratory lunch too *cough* [16:58] lotuspsychje: weird! what does that involve? [16:58] so im negotiating what it really means [16:58] if another IT business is jaleous, they could use this against me [16:59] hey BluesKaj :p [16:59] hi lotuspsychje :-) [16:59] so i asked a link/list of what this ceriticate holds in exactly...can i format or just upgrade ram/hd or not? [17:01] hmm [17:01] like putting a new cmos battery in mobo [17:01] pesky roadblocks of bureaucracy [17:01] is also electro related right [17:01] yep [17:02] so my accountant warned me, if i dont have this certificate i should be carefull what to mention on a customers bill [17:02] not describing repair stuff [17:03] ugh [17:03] you can't even swap components like hdd -> ssd? [17:03] i dont know, thats what im trying to find out [17:04] nope, all screws are under protected laws. [17:04] when a john doe orders an online ssd, he doesnt need a certificate tu put it in right [17:04] if you can open it with your bare hands, like the customer, you are fine [17:04] OerHeks: but my business will be different ordering barebones, where im supposed to unscrew [17:05] dirty politics [17:05] then have a finger amputated and replaced with a screwdriver. [17:05] dirty webshops kill business [17:05] lol [17:05] XD [17:06] the more stuff i encounter liek this, the more it motivates me to beat them [17:06] its the opensource thinking inside me :p [17:07] too many lawyers and litigations in the form of frivolous lawsuits are creating a very strange business atmosphere nowadays [17:07] all windows IT businesses wont like see my new business right [17:08] not true, i certainly couldn't care less about a Loonix one :D [17:08] so my accountant says, as long as i dont have this certificate, one should mention 'general works' on the customers bill [17:08] to, not wake up the lawsuits [17:09] i often find folks aren't bright enough to drive Windows, so i wouldn't hugely fancy supporting a Loonix :D [17:09] yeah just list a value for 'labour' perhaps [17:09] yep [17:10] but im digging deeper now, asking who's asking this certificate, and what it lists and what can and cannot [17:10] would be crazy to have an elektro engineer degree to install software right? [17:11] don't you know anyone working in such a place who might know the details? [17:11] yep, but in a computer shop it'd be tough to prove you really are only doing software [17:12] ducasse: yes, ive send some mails already im gonna findout soon [17:12] daftykins: another way could be working with a repair company nearby, that has this degree [17:13] only for the heavy repair jobs, mobo,screen,stuff like that [17:13] but of course i wanna do most myself [17:13] mmm, i reckon remain as autonomous as you can [17:14] meaning? [17:14] free standing, no reliance on others [17:14] yeah i feel the same way too [17:14] only the hardware ordering i will relay on [17:15] as it is now, i find it really unbearable when work relies on other people :) [17:15] nacc: I hope that guy doesn't really have clients [17:15] daftykins: best way is doing it our own way right [17:16] !info network-manager [17:16] network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2 (xenial), package size 2070 kB, installed size 10756 kB (Only available for linux-any) [17:16] seems like this one fixed all my bugs [17:18] yip, as long as it meets all the laws :) you never know, it might be quite easy to meet all that rubbish - just have to take the time to do some reading perhaps [17:18] daftykins: well ive chosen the right accountant for sure, warning me for this.. [17:19] :D [17:19] i need to get finding one, this year is almost over :P [17:23] tgm4883: yeah ... [17:27] nacc: ha, I had read that differently in that he was hosting websites for people [17:27] tgm4883: :) good clarifying question, then! [17:29] if you folks are talking about a person asking for help that claims to run a business, in #ubuntu , it wouldn't be the first time ;) [17:29] one is a serial non-payer that tries to offer jobs [17:29] lol [17:41] daftykins, you are reffering to "i need to do all my servers.."? [17:41] :-D [17:42] daftykins: it is interesting how many folks seem to come to the channel, and the gut feeling i get is they are a sysadmin somewhere (probably small) and don't know how to do something for their job (or school, sometimes) [17:43] *nod* [17:43] sometimes the timing on when they decide to bring it up is the largest eyebrow raiser ;) [17:43] figures that whenever i've asked something, i've gotten nothing and ended up solving it myself :D [17:44] daftykins: :) [17:49] http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/oneplus-3-to-become-an-unofficial-ubuntu-phone-development-will-start-soon-505299.shtml [17:50] i bought the one and two to sell on immediately for profit, they're way too big :) [17:51] yeah im sticking to my bq [18:01] howdy Bashing-om [18:21] hey EriC^^ [18:22] hey lotuspsychje [18:22] how's it going? [18:22] great EriC^^ and you? [18:22] good thanks [18:22] how's work? [18:22] crowdy but fun to do in the kitchen [18:22] cool [18:23] we are with 3 in peak times in kitchen [18:23] lotuspsychje: have you read "The Food Lab"? it's sort of a cookbook, sort of a science book about cooking [18:24] nacc: no, not yet what kind of science is it? [18:25] lotuspsychje: the author is a chef -- but he does some analyses for why certain kinds of cooking work, and explains it at the chemical/physical level. So, for instance, what is happening to a egg as you boil it for varying times, or how long you cook a steak for, etc [18:26] ah, interesting [18:26] lotuspsychje: my wife got it for me for christmas last year, it's pretty interesting, and also has some good recipes :) [18:28] nacc: well at my new work, we have to stick to their methods pretty well, so :p [18:29] lotuspsychje: yeah, this would probably just be for you :) [18:29] but i also need cutting techniques [18:29] let me see, i think there is a chapter on that too === pavlushka is now known as pavlushka- === pavlushka- is now known as pavlushka === pavlushka is now known as pavlushka_ [18:30] lotuspsychje: yeah, there's a whole bunch of knife skills stuff, including the best way to breakdown a chicken, etc :) === pavlushka_ is now known as pavlushka [18:31] nacc: that sounds cool [18:31] lotuspsychje: and lots of pictures, etc. It's a massive book (~1000 pages) [18:31] wow [18:32] but it appeals to my science-y wanting to know why to cook things a certain way [18:32] yeah it sounds pretty interesting [18:32] the author is J. Kenji Lopez-Alt [18:33] lemme try to find :p [18:33] nacc: was it a subtle suggestion prior to a birthday about a breakfast in bed? ;) [18:34] lol [18:34] xD [18:34] daftykins: lol [18:35] nacc: man, sometimes it's like pulling teeth [18:36] http://www.kenjilopezalt.com/ [18:36] lotuspsychje: yep that's the book [18:36] lotuspsychje: it's well-written too, i've found, which is nice [18:38] its like the age of investigation we live in [18:39] i've come to the conclusion that i7 4 core are a little over rated i think for daily use [18:39] EriC^^: howso? [18:39] i tried this i3 2core 2.0ghz like opening programs and stuff it opens at the same time + virtualbox + firefox and few tabs runs without any delays and stuff [18:40] i'm thinking to get a i7 6500u , 2 core 2.5ghz 4mb cache [18:40] it says it's supposed to be like 50% better than the i3 [18:40] EriC^^: depends what usage the daily use will be right [18:41] there's also an i5 6200u 2.3ghz 3mb cache , the i7 is 10% faster than it [18:41] yeah i mean daily usage like surfing the web, maybe a virtualbox, stuff like that [18:41] i5 will surely fit your needs then [18:41] the i5 6200u is $50 cheaper [18:42] i think the $50 is worth it i guess [18:42] yeah sure [18:42] 3mb -> 4mb cache and 2.3ghz -> 2.5ghz [18:43] btw lotuspsychje i noticed most laptops now come with freedos so you can easily get one without an os [18:43] but i think i would invest the money for an ssd instead of more cpu [18:43] also with the hdd they have, you might be able to get one that has msata (or something i forgot the name) and just add the ssd to it [18:43] and keep the big hdd it has [18:44] yeah i want to get the samsung 850 evo, i didn't find any leb dealers though, they seem to have kingston but i read kingston sucks ass [18:44] it's slower [18:44] yeah defenatly go for samsung :p [18:45] the 850 evo and 850 pro same thing except the nand thing is different so it has a 10yr warranty instead of 5 with the evo right? [18:45] yep [18:45] the 850 pro series are taken mostly for server usage also [18:46] as they have big warranty time and can get hammered alot [18:46] i was thinking to get a msi at first, they have a model that isn't for gaming really, i7 6700hq 4 core 6mb and 2.7ghz but i read that the battery lasts only 1 hour and the touchpad sucks ass on it [18:46] for desktop evo series are great [18:47] it seemed great otherwise though, has a ssd and nvidia 960m and fhd screen [18:47] aha [18:48] i'm still going to maybe look at other shops here if i find an hp that has i7 4 core i'll probably get it [18:48] EriC^^: gonna investigate this freedos, would that mean there is no windows license on the back? [18:48] yeah no windows [18:48] the laptops that have it are cheaper [18:48] interesting [18:49] they're everywhere [18:49] this is the hp i'm thinking about, it's a good deal i think [18:49] lets say i find a webshop with a 300$ hp freedos [18:49] i could get the 500hd out for external storage and plugin a samsung ssd [18:50] you might be interested in this other one, it's the $50 cheaper one http://mojitech.net/shop/product/hp-lebanon-best-prices-laptop-hp-15-ac163ne-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd-2gb-vga/ [18:50] it's basically the same thing just 10% less cpu (i5 6200u vs i7 6500u) [18:50] $540, it's a steal i think, especially for leb prices [18:51] yeah great price [18:51] with a radeon R5 [18:52] it has freedos, the 1tb hdd you could get a case for it and sata to usb adapter and give it as an external storage [18:52] EriC^^: i definitely found an i5 with SSD to kick the rear of an i3 with SSD, though that's in desktop form - definitely go i5 minimum for myself in a laptop, too [18:52] like 512gb ssd + 1tb ext hdd storage [18:52] yeah that's a good idea [18:52] get an enclosure with UASP capable USB 3.0 though, way faster. [18:53] btw i fully installed ubuntu to the lenovo today [18:53] 512 ssd gonna be lil expensive though [18:53] it played nicely with the uefi, in the bios i just hit f6 to switch ubuntu to the top of the efi list and it boots ubuntu happily [18:53] :) yeah it's often a lot easier than the folks in #ubuntu will have you think [18:54] mmm i'd say 512GB was a bit overkill for a Linux [18:54] samsung 256gb costs like $140 on amazon it's a steal [18:54] yeah thats a good deal [18:55] dont have efi, dont have windows 10, i am just a poor boy from a little country [18:55] lol [18:55] shhhhh OerHeks dont wake gill bates [18:55] OerHeks: scare a tux! scare a tux! will you enable CSM, now? [18:55] * daftykins wails [18:56] wobbly windows, yes [18:56] lol [18:56] works like a charm on xenial [18:56] snappy on windows 10 [18:56] haha [18:58] snapp on ubuwin [19:02] install telegram snap on windows ubuntu bash then get a windows rootkit over from a friend and get infected :p [19:03] then quickly buy windows 11 forced upgrade [19:03] EriC^^: Mu notes: **) www.amazon.com -> Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $84.58 >> $71.00 Newegg But out of stock (older info ) . [19:03] the only way you're getting a rootkit on Windows is if you've a time machine to go back and you're enough an idiot to go looking for one [19:04] Bashing-om: $84 mm [19:04] could have sworn it was like $140 [19:04] nice it is! [19:05] depends on who's selling it [19:05] EriC^^: I do not have a date, but fairly recent .. say about a month old ? [19:05] even $70! [19:06] im gonna try making a deal with ssd's buying per 10 [19:06] to get % discount [19:06] ohh [19:06] some webshops go for business accounts [19:06] my bad, the 512gb is $150 , the 256gb is $90 [19:07] based on how much you buy [19:07] it's pretty cheap [19:07] yeah prices for ssd are lowering [19:08] my M.2 PCIe SSDs are making my old SATA ones look like beginners now, when doing updates etc [19:08] yeah i remember once last year you told me about ssd and i checked online and thought maybe in a few years.. it was like $600 or something i remember [19:09] my first sandisk ssd was 8gig SLC and cost me 120$ [19:09] but..still fast as rocket [19:10] :D [19:11] EriC^^: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=850+EVO&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A850+EVO . $89.99 . [19:14] damn, the lenovo is kernel panicing or something [19:14] it freezes, and the caps lock starts blinking, then after powering down if i dont remove the ac plug it makes a loud beep, only on ubuntu 3rd time it's happened, dmesg time [19:14] :D [19:15] oO [19:15] EriC^^: /me hands over a strong cup of black coffee as an aid in reading log files . [19:16] hehe, thanks :D [19:19] nothing in syslog about anything [19:19] EriC^^: what about kern.log? [19:20] maybe try the one-last kernel? [19:21] also kern.log doesn't have anything [19:21] it's running the 4.6rc6 right now since i copied over my install from the hp [19:21] best go cook, half 8 already! [19:21] mainline? that's a bad EriC^^ :P [19:21] maybe that's it? i'll give the 4 a try [19:21] i had to for the hp :p suspend issues [19:21] eww [19:23] ok, rebooting into the repo kernel [19:23] !info linux-image-generic yakkety [19:23] linux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.4.0.25.26 (yakkety), package size 2 kB, installed size 11 kB [19:23] i don't think they've bumped kernels yet [19:23] as in, yakkety is xenial kernel-wise [19:24] yeah [19:24] but ive read something about yakkety kernel recently [19:24] on release perhaps [19:24] 4.8 it was [19:25] that would probably make sense, presuming 4.7 comes out quickly [19:25] timing wise [19:25] http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-will-be-powered-by-linux-kernel-4-8-505041.shtml [19:28] holy shit, it booted into windows [19:28] lol [19:28] i entered the bios again and windows was on top of the efi list again [19:28] lenovo you slippery snake [19:29] efi file switching time :D [19:29] i cant stand uefi [19:29] the manufacturers suck, bill gates bitches [19:29] its an evil method to get customers nailed to the money Os [19:30] it's nice as a system i think, it's a little elegant and more modular and stuff [19:30] but the manufacturers make it difficult to boot other os [19:31] yep [19:31] I upgraded one of my installs last eve to 16.04. runs good .. on this ole box I am good 'til 2021 . :) [19:32] great Bashing-om [19:32] the uefi implementation on my asus motherboard is actually really nice. i like it a lot more than the legacy system... [19:32] there was nothing wrong with bios [19:42] ok, so when you power it down it switches windows and ubuntu in the efi list again [19:43] anyways i switched the files and it's all good now :D [19:45] great [19:52] EriC^^: When you are good, you are good . :) [19:59] :) [20:03] laterz guys, going to sheepland [20:04] :D [20:04] 1 tux, 2 tux, 3 tux [20:04] later [20:04] lol [20:04] byebye :p [20:04] bye :D === tinoco is now known as tinocoff