[00:35] <Bashing-om> Back. 16.04 upgrade .. smooth as silk .
[03:33] <Bashing-om> And gome for the naunce .
[09:11] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:54] <daftykins> hello there stranger!
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> howdy daftykins :p
[16:55] <ducasse> well well, the working man returns :)
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> hi ducasse
[16:55] <ducasse> how is the job?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> great and crowdy
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> ive ordered my VAT number to start the ubuntu business aswell
[16:57] <daftykins> \o/
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ahh lotuspsychje has a new gig, congrats!
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> but there is some weird belgian law saying, if im gonna repair computers, ill need a electronic certicicate or something
[16:57] <daftykins> he's gonna cater for the #ubuntu-discuss celebratory lunch too *cough*
[16:58] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: weird! what does that involve?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> so im negotiating what it really means
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> if another IT business is jaleous, they could use this against me
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj :p
[16:59] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje :-)
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> so i asked a link/list of what this ceriticate holds in exactly...can i format or just upgrade ram/hd or not?
[17:01] <daftykins> hmm
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> like putting a new cmos battery in mobo
[17:01] <daftykins> pesky roadblocks of bureaucracy
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> is also electro related right
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> yep
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> so my accountant warned me, if i dont have this certificate i should be carefull what to mention on a customers bill
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> not describing repair stuff
[17:03] <daftykins> ugh
[17:03] <ducasse> you can't even swap components like hdd -> ssd?
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> i dont know, thats what im trying to find out
[17:04] <OerHeks> nope, all screws are under protected laws.
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> when a john doe orders an online ssd, he doesnt need a certificate tu put it in right
[17:04] <OerHeks> if you can open it with your bare hands, like the customer, you are fine
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: but my business will be different ordering barebones, where im supposed to unscrew
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> dirty politics
[17:05] <ducasse> then have a finger amputated and replaced with a screwdriver.
[17:05] <OerHeks> dirty webshops kill business
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:05] <daftykins> XD
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> the more stuff i encounter liek this, the more it motivates me to beat them
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> its the opensource thinking inside me :p
[17:07] <BluesKaj> too many lawyers and litigations in the form of frivolous lawsuits are creating a very strange business atmosphere nowadays
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> all windows IT businesses wont like see my new business right
[17:08] <daftykins> not true, i certainly couldn't care less about a Loonix one :D
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> so my accountant says, as long as i dont have this certificate, one should mention 'general works' on the customers bill
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> to, not wake up the lawsuits
[17:09] <daftykins> i often find folks aren't bright enough to drive Windows, so i wouldn't hugely fancy supporting a Loonix :D
[17:09] <daftykins> yeah just list a value for 'labour' perhaps
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> yep
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> but im digging deeper now, asking who's asking this certificate, and what it lists and what can and cannot
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> would be crazy to have an elektro engineer degree to install software right?
[17:11] <ducasse> don't you know anyone working in such a place who might know the details?
[17:11] <daftykins> yep, but in a computer shop it'd be tough to prove you really are only doing software
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yes, ive send some mails already im gonna findout soon
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: another way could be working with a repair company nearby, that has this degree
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> only for the heavy repair jobs, mobo,screen,stuff like that
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> but of course i wanna do most myself
[17:13] <daftykins> mmm, i reckon remain as autonomous as you can
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> meaning?
[17:14] <daftykins> free standing, no reliance on others
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> yeah i feel the same way too
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> only the hardware ordering i will relay on
[17:15] <daftykins> as it is now, i find it really unbearable when work relies on other people :)
[17:15] <tgm4883> nacc: I hope that guy doesn't really have clients
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: best way is doing it our own way right
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> seems like this one fixed all my bugs
[17:18] <daftykins> yip, as long as it meets all the laws :) you never know, it might be quite easy to meet all that rubbish - just have to take the time to do some reading perhaps
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: well ive chosen the right accountant for sure, warning me for this..
[17:19] <daftykins> :D
[17:19] <daftykins> i need to get finding one, this year is almost over :P
[17:23] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah ...
[17:27] <tgm4883> nacc: ha, I had read that differently in that he was hosting websites for people
[17:27] <nacc> tgm4883: :) good clarifying question, then!
[17:29] <daftykins> if you folks are talking about a person asking for help that claims to run a business, in #ubuntu , it wouldn't be the first time ;)
[17:29] <daftykins> one is a serial non-payer that tries to offer jobs
[17:29] <nacc> lol
[17:41] <OerHeks> daftykins, you are reffering to "i need to do all my servers.."?
[17:41] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:42] <nacc> daftykins: it is interesting how many folks seem to come to the channel, and the gut feeling i get is they are a sysadmin somewhere (probably small) and don't know how to do something for their job (or school, sometimes)
[17:43] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:43] <daftykins> sometimes the timing on when they decide to bring it up is the largest eyebrow raiser ;)
[17:43] <daftykins> figures that whenever i've asked something, i've gotten nothing and ended up solving it myself :D
[17:44] <nacc> daftykins: :)
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/oneplus-3-to-become-an-unofficial-ubuntu-phone-development-will-start-soon-505299.shtml
[17:50] <daftykins> i bought the one and two to sell on immediately for profit, they're way too big :)
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah im sticking to my bq
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> howdy Bashing-om
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[18:22] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[18:22] <EriC^^> how's it going?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> great EriC^^ and you?
[18:22] <EriC^^> good thanks
[18:22] <EriC^^> how's work?
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> crowdy but fun to do in the kitchen
[18:22] <EriC^^> cool
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> we are with 3 in peak times in kitchen
[18:23] <nacc> lotuspsychje: have you read "The Food Lab"? it's sort of a cookbook, sort of a science book about cooking
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> nacc: no, not yet what kind of science is it?
[18:25] <nacc> lotuspsychje: the author is a chef -- but he does some analyses for why certain kinds of cooking work, and explains it at the chemical/physical level. So, for instance, what is happening to a egg as you boil it for varying times, or how long you cook a steak for, etc
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> ah, interesting
[18:26] <nacc> lotuspsychje: my wife got it for me for christmas last year, it's pretty interesting, and also has some good recipes :)
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> nacc: well at my new work, we have to stick to their methods pretty well, so :p
[18:29] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, this would probably just be for you :)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> but i also need cutting techniques
[18:29] <nacc> let me see, i think there is a chapter on that too
[18:30] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yeah, there's a whole bunch of knife skills stuff, including the best way to breakdown a chicken, etc :)
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> nacc: that sounds cool
[18:31] <nacc> lotuspsychje: and lots of pictures, etc. It's a massive book (~1000 pages)
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> wow
[18:32] <nacc> but it appeals to my science-y wanting to know why to cook things a certain way
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah it sounds pretty interesting
[18:32] <nacc> the author is J. Kenji Lopez-Alt
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> lemme try to find :p
[18:33] <daftykins> nacc: was it a subtle suggestion prior to a birthday about a breakfast in bed? ;)
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:34] <EriC^^> xD
[18:34] <nacc> daftykins: lol
[18:35] <tgm4883> nacc: man, sometimes it's like pulling teeth
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> http://www.kenjilopezalt.com/
[18:36] <nacc> lotuspsychje: yep that's the book
[18:36] <nacc> lotuspsychje: it's well-written too, i've found, which is nice
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> its like the age of investigation we live in
[18:39] <EriC^^> i've come to the conclusion that i7 4 core are a little over rated i think for daily use
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: howso?
[18:39] <EriC^^> i tried this i3 2core 2.0ghz like opening programs and stuff it opens at the same time + virtualbox + firefox and few tabs runs without any delays and stuff
[18:40] <EriC^^> i'm thinking to get a i7 6500u , 2 core 2.5ghz 4mb cache
[18:40] <EriC^^> it says it's supposed to be like 50% better than the i3
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: depends what usage the daily use will be right
[18:41] <EriC^^> there's also an i5 6200u 2.3ghz 3mb cache , the i7 is 10% faster than it
[18:41] <EriC^^> yeah i mean daily usage like surfing the web, maybe a virtualbox, stuff like that
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> i5 will surely fit your needs then
[18:41] <EriC^^> the i5 6200u is $50 cheaper
[18:42] <EriC^^> i think the $50 is worth it i guess
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah sure
[18:42] <EriC^^> 3mb -> 4mb cache and 2.3ghz -> 2.5ghz
[18:43] <EriC^^> btw lotuspsychje i noticed most laptops now come with freedos so you can easily get one without an os
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> but i think i would invest the money for an ssd instead of more cpu
[18:43] <EriC^^> also with the hdd they have, you might be able to get one that has msata (or something i forgot the name) and just add the ssd to it
[18:43] <EriC^^> and keep the big hdd it has
[18:44] <EriC^^> yeah i want to get the samsung 850 evo, i didn't find any leb dealers though, they seem to have kingston but i read kingston sucks ass
[18:44] <EriC^^> it's slower
[18:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah defenatly go for samsung :p
[18:45] <EriC^^> the 850 evo and 850 pro same thing except the nand thing is different so it has a 10yr warranty instead of 5 with the evo right?
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> yep
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> the 850 pro series are taken mostly for server usage also
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> as they have big warranty time and can get hammered alot
[18:46] <EriC^^> i was thinking to get a msi at first, they have a model that isn't for gaming really, i7 6700hq 4 core 6mb and 2.7ghz but i read that the battery lasts only 1 hour and the touchpad sucks ass on it
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> for desktop evo series are great
[18:47] <EriC^^> it seemed great otherwise though, has a ssd and nvidia 960m and fhd screen
[18:47] <EriC^^> aha
[18:48] <EriC^^> i'm still going to maybe look at other shops here if i find an hp that has i7 4 core i'll probably get it
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: gonna investigate this freedos, would that mean there is no windows license on the back?
[18:48] <EriC^^> yeah no windows
[18:48] <EriC^^> the laptops that have it are cheaper
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> interesting
[18:49] <EriC^^> they're everywhere
[18:49] <EriC^^> this is the hp i'm thinking about, it's a good deal i think
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> lets say i find a webshop with a 300$ hp freedos
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> i could get the 500hd out for external storage and plugin a samsung ssd
[18:50] <EriC^^> you might be interested in this other one, it's the $50 cheaper one http://mojitech.net/shop/product/hp-lebanon-best-prices-laptop-hp-15-ac163ne-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-hdd-2gb-vga/
[18:50] <EriC^^> it's basically the same thing just 10% less cpu (i5 6200u vs i7 6500u)
[18:50] <EriC^^> $540, it's a steal i think, especially for leb prices
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah great price
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> with a radeon R5
[18:52] <EriC^^> it has freedos, the 1tb hdd you could get a case for it and sata to usb adapter and give it as an external storage
[18:52] <daftykins> EriC^^: i definitely found an i5 with SSD to kick the rear of an i3 with SSD, though that's in desktop form - definitely go i5 minimum for myself in a laptop, too
[18:52] <EriC^^> like 512gb ssd + 1tb ext hdd storage
[18:52] <daftykins> yeah that's a good idea
[18:52] <daftykins> get an enclosure with UASP capable USB 3.0 though, way faster.
[18:53] <EriC^^> btw i fully installed ubuntu to the lenovo today
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> 512 ssd gonna be lil expensive though
[18:53] <EriC^^> it played nicely with the uefi, in the bios i just hit f6 to switch ubuntu to the top of the efi list and it boots ubuntu happily
[18:53] <daftykins> :) yeah it's often a lot easier than the folks in #ubuntu will have you think
[18:54] <daftykins> mmm i'd say 512GB was a bit overkill for a Linux
[18:54] <EriC^^> samsung 256gb costs like $140 on amazon it's a steal
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats a good deal
[18:55] <OerHeks> dont have efi, dont have windows 10, i am just a poor boy from a little country
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> shhhhh OerHeks dont wake gill bates
[18:55] <daftykins> OerHeks: scare a tux! scare a tux! will you enable CSM, now?
[18:55]  * daftykins wails
[18:56] <OerHeks> wobbly windows, yes
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> works like a charm on xenial
[18:56] <OerHeks> snappy on windows 10
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> haha
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> snapp on ubuwin
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> install telegram snap on windows ubuntu bash then get a windows rootkit over from a friend and get infected :p
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> then quickly buy windows 11 forced upgrade
[19:03] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Mu notes: **) www.amazon.com -> Samsung 850 EVO 250GB $84.58 >> $71.00 Newegg But out of stock (older info ) .
[19:03] <daftykins> the only way you're getting a rootkit on Windows is if you've a time machine to go back and you're enough an idiot to go looking for one
[19:04] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: $84 mm
[19:04] <EriC^^> could have sworn it was like $140
[19:04] <EriC^^> nice it is!
[19:05] <EriC^^> depends on who's selling it
[19:05] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I do not have a date, but fairly recent .. say about a month old ?
[19:05] <EriC^^> even $70!
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> im gonna try making a deal with ssd's buying per 10
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> to get % discount
[19:06] <EriC^^> ohh
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> some webshops go for business accounts
[19:06] <EriC^^> my bad, the 512gb is $150 , the 256gb is $90
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> based on how much you buy
[19:07] <EriC^^> it's pretty cheap
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> yeah prices for ssd are lowering
[19:08] <daftykins> my M.2 PCIe SSDs are making my old SATA ones look like beginners now, when doing updates etc
[19:08] <EriC^^> yeah i remember once last year you told me about ssd and i checked online and thought maybe in a few years.. it was like $600 or something i remember
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> my first sandisk ssd was 8gig SLC and cost me 120$
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> but..still fast as rocket
[19:10] <daftykins> :D
[19:11] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=850+EVO&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A850+EVO . $89.99 .
[19:14] <EriC^^> damn, the lenovo is kernel panicing or something
[19:14] <EriC^^> it freezes, and the caps lock starts blinking, then after powering down if i dont remove the ac plug it makes a loud beep, only on ubuntu 3rd time it's happened, dmesg time
[19:14] <EriC^^> :D
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:15] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: /me hands over a strong cup of black coffee as an aid in reading log files .
[19:16] <EriC^^> hehe, thanks :D
[19:19] <EriC^^> nothing in syslog about anything
[19:19] <ducasse> EriC^^: what about kern.log?
[19:20] <daftykins> maybe try the one-last kernel?
[19:21] <EriC^^> also kern.log doesn't have anything
[19:21] <EriC^^> it's running the 4.6rc6 right now since i copied over my install from the hp
[19:21] <daftykins> best go cook, half 8 already!
[19:21] <daftykins> mainline? that's a bad EriC^^ :P
[19:21] <EriC^^> maybe that's it? i'll give the 4 a try
[19:21] <EriC^^> i had to for the hp :p suspend issues
[19:21] <daftykins> eww
[19:23] <EriC^^> ok, rebooting into the repo kernel
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic yakkety
[19:23] <nacc> i don't think they've bumped kernels yet
[19:23] <nacc> as in, yakkety is xenial kernel-wise
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> but ive read something about yakkety kernel recently
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> on release perhaps
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> 4.8 it was
[19:25] <nacc> that would probably make sense, presuming 4.7 comes out quickly
[19:25] <nacc> timing wise
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-10-yakkety-yak-will-be-powered-by-linux-kernel-4-8-505041.shtml
[19:28] <EriC^^> holy shit, it booted into windows
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:28] <EriC^^> i entered the bios again and windows was on top of the efi list again
[19:28] <EriC^^> lenovo you slippery snake
[19:29] <EriC^^> efi file switching time :D
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> i cant stand uefi
[19:29] <EriC^^> the manufacturers suck, bill gates bitches
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> its an evil method to get customers nailed to the money Os
[19:30] <EriC^^> it's nice as a system i think, it's a little elegant and more modular and stuff
[19:30] <EriC^^> but the manufacturers make it difficult to boot other os
[19:31] <lotuspsychje> yep
[19:31] <Bashing-om> I upgraded one of my installs last eve to 16.04. runs good .. on this ole box I am good 'til 2021 . :)
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> great Bashing-om
[19:32] <ducasse> the uefi implementation on my asus motherboard is actually really nice. i like it a lot more than the legacy system...
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> there was nothing wrong with bios
[19:42] <EriC^^> ok, so when you power it down it switches windows and ubuntu in the efi list again
[19:43] <EriC^^> anyways i switched the files and it's all good now :D
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> great
[19:52] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: When you are good, you are good . :)
[19:59] <EriC^^> :)
[20:03] <lotuspsychje> laterz guys, going to sheepland
[20:04] <EriC^^> :D
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> 1 tux, 2 tux, 3 tux
[20:04] <EriC^^> later
[20:04] <EriC^^> lol
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> byebye :p
[20:04] <EriC^^> bye :D