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soee_ | i'm the Rhanda 100th donnor :) | 01:50 |
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ahoneybun | sweet | 02:18 |
ahoneybun | DarinMiller: do you use one panel on each screen or just one screen? | 03:01 |
ahoneybun | *one panel | 03:01 |
DarinMiller | ahoneybun: yes, I only use one panel on my primary monitor. | 03:27 |
jimarvan | aaand goodmorning! :) | 08:12 |
acheronuk | morning :) | 08:48 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Hi Good Morning π | 08:48 |
BluesKaj | Hey folks | 11:06 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> /me Waves | 11:13 |
jimarvan | hey :D | 11:16 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Hey there jimarvan π | 11:16 |
jimarvan | Rick did you see my 11 year old office laptop? ;) | 11:16 |
jimarvan | god i love that beast | 11:16 |
BluesKaj | hi Sick_Rimmit, jimarvan | 11:17 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> No I didn't see that | 11:17 |
jimarvan | hey blue :D | 11:17 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> It's was great fun at the Party π | 11:17 |
jimarvan | https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/102500187633373680303/6298207392540956050 | 11:17 |
jimarvan | check it out. Ye party was fantastic! :) | 11:17 |
jimarvan | It is a great idea to post pictures of our old laptop working with kubuntu 16.04 | 11:18 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> The Acer running 16.04 That's nice | 11:18 |
jimarvan | :D | 11:18 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> My Samsung R710 is from 2009, so not quite as old, but I really like it. | 11:18 |
jimarvan | A lot of people in my company want to exchange chromebooks with old laptops using Kubuntu 16.04 | 11:19 |
jimarvan | they absolutely start loving it here | 11:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Great to see older hardware still being used in production, because of the efficiency of Kubuntu | 11:19 |
jimarvan | btw after the kubuntu party, 4 of us gathered at steam | 11:26 |
jimarvan | and we made a Kubuntu group! :) | 11:27 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo did you | 11:27 |
jimarvan | so if anyone is on Steam and wants to get in please let me know to share | 11:27 |
jimarvan | I will organize it a bit more as soon as I am done with work ;) | 11:27 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I have Steam account | 11:27 |
jimarvan | awesome! :D | 11:28 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I'd like to join the Group | 11:28 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I don't do much with Steam, only have one game Torchlight II | 11:28 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> But I think I would like Civilisation | 11:28 |
jimarvan | oh yes you would! | 11:28 |
jimarvan | no worries after 17:00 I will organize the group, make it public, then post it on podcast | 11:29 |
jimarvan | and kubuntu/ubuntu groups | 11:29 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> When I get home, this evening I will go into Steam and see if I can find Group | 11:29 |
jimarvan | :D | 11:29 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Yep, we'll cover that on the Podcast no worries | 11:29 |
jimarvan | rick it was kenteris idea | 11:29 |
jimarvan | new blood with bright new ideas | 11:29 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> π | 11:29 |
jimarvan | oh well time-out over, back to work! ;) | 11:30 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> See you | 11:30 |
pekkari | such a sofisticated keyboard for an old laptop :) | 11:31 |
clivejo | acheronuk: hi mate, was busy this weekend with other stuff. So installing Qt 5.6.1 wants to removed a ton of stuff? | 11:33 |
acheronuk | not a ton | 11:34 |
clivejo | half a ton then :P | 11:35 |
acheronuk | and many KG as you might expect, once given some thought | 11:35 |
clivejo | did you let it remove and continue with install? | 11:36 |
acheronuk | no. I was just doing that very quickly | 11:38 |
* clivejo wonders if he moved it to frameworks staging and tried building FW5.23 on it | 11:38 | |
acheronuk | https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-6-1.html | 11:40 |
acheronuk | tick 'good' and you can see what the collisions were, and what debian have transitioned/rebuilt so far | 11:40 |
acheronuk | not much or any of FW needs it? | 11:41 |
clivejo | not sure, but seems most logical place to start | 11:45 |
clivejo | and then build plasma 5.6.95 on top of that :) | 11:45 |
clivejo | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.95.php | 11:46 |
clivejo | you havent attempted Qt 5.7? | 11:48 |
acheronuk | lol. no | 11:48 |
acheronuk | maybe give it a try, but I would be very much winging it with the packaging | 11:49 |
acheronuk | Just going to break a VM installing 5.6.1 :P | 11:49 |
acheronuk | trying to re-install plasma-desktop and plasma-framework after qt5.6.1 upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/17589528/ | 11:56 |
acheronuk | so seems kdeclarative and some other would need to be redone | 12:02 |
* acheronuk buys 16 GB RAM :) | 12:12 | |
clivejo | could do with more RAM | 12:13 |
acheronuk | could do with a SSD, but maybe next month | 12:13 |
clivejo | LOL lots of things I would like | 12:14 |
clivejo | but cant justify spending money on it | 12:14 |
acheronuk | decent graphics card would be nice as well | 12:14 |
acheronuk | but deffo can't justify that! | 12:15 |
clivejo | grrrr I hate stupid people | 12:15 |
clivejo | I have this guy called Jullian who scammed my father out of money when he was dying of cancer. He now thinks heβs my financial adviser and calls me about twice a week. I have shouted at him, I have tried to explain nicely and he still calls me, nice as pie every time | 12:18 |
clivejo | hes like a robot | 12:18 |
acheronuk | does he also offer to fix your computer as it "has a virus"? ;) | 12:19 |
clivejo | nope | 12:19 |
clivejo | its boiler room scam | 12:20 |
clivejo | just got my Monday morning call from him! | 12:21 |
acheronuk | yeah, sounds it. scammers working on a script are not the brightest people | 12:21 |
clivejo | well lunchtime :P | 12:21 |
clivejo | hes like a gold fish | 12:21 |
clivejo | always asks to speak to my father | 12:22 |
clivejo | the first few years it really upset me | 12:23 |
clivejo | now I just let him waffle on and laugh at him | 12:23 |
clivejo | if hes being tied up for 30mins "talking" to me, at least hes not conning others out of money! | 12:24 |
acheronuk | sadly these scammers are a fact of life now. think the stat the other day was if your landline (if you have one) rings, it more likely to be a scammer than noy | 12:24 |
acheronuk | *not | 12:24 |
clivejo | very true | 12:24 |
acheronuk | winding up the microsoft ones can be entertaining | 12:24 |
clivejo | Id completely block withheld numbers but some of my family withhold their numbers | 12:25 |
acheronuk | half the time they spoof a CLID | 12:26 |
clivejo | yeah | 12:26 |
clivejo | I reckon BT could block those at network level | 12:26 |
acheronuk | yes. appalling that they can still technically still do that. | 12:27 |
clivejo | but too busy robbing customers and providing sorry excuses for broadband | 12:27 |
acheronuk | yes, no fibre here yet. adsl is OK, but slooooow upload | 12:28 |
clivejo | even their fibre is a lie! | 12:29 |
clivejo | its fibre to cabinet and that fibre is heavily contended | 12:30 |
acheronuk | suppose that is what you get when you are forcing a company to roll out when they're not really ready | 12:30 |
clivejo | BT will never be ready | 12:31 |
clivejo | and Offcom are like a very annoying chihuahua, who bark and yap a lot, but confront them and they pee themselves! | 12:33 |
acheronuk | its all quite pathetic in 2016, considering the reliance on being connected now | 12:34 |
* clivejo nods | 12:35 | |
acheronuk | OK. any suggestions on what would be most helpful to do/work on in next few days? | 12:36 |
clivejo | Im not sure | 12:36 |
acheronuk | dojo is a week on thurs | 12:36 |
acheronuk | KCI is still on holiday? | 12:37 |
clivejo | yeah | 12:37 |
clivejo | need to fix that LP is not available thing | 12:38 |
acheronuk | yofel: any input on what may be most useful for me to do or learn at the moment? | 12:39 |
acheronuk | clivejo: as in retrying on error? | 12:39 |
clivejo | yeah | 12:40 |
clivejo | its failing packages that are building fine | 12:40 |
clivejo | but once they fail they have to be manually retried | 12:40 |
* acheronuk gazes at the mystery of the KCI code | 12:40 | |
acheronuk | nope. not sure I know where to start on that | 12:44 |
clivejo | me neither | 12:51 |
BluesKaj | kubuntu yakkety daily image install fails after the partitioning phase, ubiquity gives an error message, Confirmed by 2 images from today's daily burned on 2 different pcs | 13:17 |
BluesKaj | both images are the 64bit iso | 13:22 |
acheronuk | What's the error? | 13:24 |
BluesKaj | installation failed, flolowed by some long explanation that ididn't bother reading , it happened 4 times at exactly the same point in the install, when the partitioning settings were finished and the formatting was about to begin | 13:28 |
BluesKaj | i was reinstalling due to the nvidia update script problem which is blocking related apps/dependencies fropm being upgraded or installed | 13:31 |
BluesKaj | bbl | 13:38 |
acheronuk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/ | 13:49 |
acheronuk | so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-June/010477.html | 13:54 |
BluesKaj | ok thanks acheronuk | 13:58 |
acheronuk | LP: #1593258 | 13:59 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1593258 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "16.10 KDE Daily Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593258 | 13:59 |
acheronuk | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4 "Stop building and installing the WebKit module (closes: #784513)" | 14:04 |
acheronuk | Published on 2016-06-10 | 14:04 |
acheronuk | yofel clivejo: who can fix that? | 14:24 |
yofel | jimarvan: we already have a steam group from a long time ago http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntucontributors | 15:11 |
yofel | acheronuk: either we a) decide to support webkit ourselves (rather crazy idea), or we b) port ubiquity to qt5 (which is a lot of work) | 15:12 |
acheronuk | who has the time and ability for (b)? kubuntu developers with time/inclination seem very scarce | 15:15 |
yofel | dunno really. You would need to know PyQt5 for that. Ovidiu at least knows Qt, but not sure if he has time | 15:16 |
acheronuk | neon still using ubiquity I presume. staying with a xenial base, they won't have to seriously address the problem for some time | 15:20 |
soee | wat about kalamares ? | 15:23 |
soee | *C | 15:23 |
soee | https://calamares.io | 15:23 |
soee | yofel: Tanglu uses it so you should know it a bit no ? :D | 15:24 |
* clivejo giggles | 15:24 | |
* soee juggles | 15:25 | |
soee | btw. Neos with 5.7 works pretty cool in VB | 15:26 |
soee | i like it ships by default VLC and Yakuake :) | 15:26 |
soee | *Neon | 15:26 |
acheronuk | at the moment I'm sorely tempted to add neon sources to this xenial install | 15:27 |
clivejo | did Neon not port ubiquity? | 15:27 |
soee | i doubt, Riddell ^ | 15:28 |
Riddell | nope, still qt 4 | 15:28 |
soee | Riddell: and what are the pans for the future ? | 15:28 |
acheronuk | they have their own slideshow I think, and that is it? | 15:28 |
soee | port it or witch ? | 15:28 |
soee | *switch | 15:28 |
* acheronuk too slow typing | 15:29 | |
yofel | calamares does the job. But we would loose any ubuntu integration and co-developed features we have by sharing the installer source. | 15:36 |
acheronuk | this is annoying, as only just got the daily isos installing again after the last bug! now this. | 15:40 |
BluesKaj | my pants are too loose , if i don't tighten my belt I'll lose them | 15:41 |
BluesKaj | just a hint for those about loose and lose | 15:43 |
ScottK | yofel: In Debian we're in the latter stages of getting rid of QtWebKit for Qt4 and that includes dropping support from PyQt4. Someone really ought to port Ubiquity to Qt5 (meaning PyQt5). | 15:46 |
soee | Ubuntu uses it as installer to? | 15:48 |
soee | they do not plan to port ? | 15:48 |
yofel | soee: they don't use the Qt UI | 15:49 |
soee | so it all is about GUI ? | 15:49 |
acheronuk | presumably mostly the kde parts here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/ubiquity/frontend/ | 15:52 |
soee | uhm, isn't there GSOC now ? | 15:53 |
soee | maybe some student could handle it ? | 15:53 |
acheronuk | how crucial is QtWebKit for the installer? not 100% sure, but thinks it only crashes when you get towards the slideshow during copy/install? | 15:58 |
acheronuk | I was able to partition, add user, do timezone/keyboard before it did | 15:59 |
acheronuk | doh! yes. it is there. stupidly obvious http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/ | 16:01 |
BluesKaj | I got as far as setting up the partiton mountpoints, just before formatting altho i think / was partly formatted because ebrn tho it's still listed in upgate-grub , it' nolonger in the bootloader | 16:02 |
soee | acheronuk: what this QtWebKit does exactly there ? | 16:02 |
BluesKaj | ebrn=even | 16:02 |
soee | Qt WebKit is a web content rendering engine .. | 16:02 |
soee | why it is needed in installer ? | 16:02 |
acheronuk | soee: that error suggests to me it runs the slidehow. | 16:03 |
soee | lets throw away slideshow, use static image | 16:03 |
acheronuk | in the qt version | 16:03 |
soee | = throw away qtwebkit ? | 16:03 |
acheronuk | I for one don't give two hoots about a slideshow | 16:03 |
soee | Neon uses single image to | 16:03 |
soee | lets make stuff simpler and better not fancier and buggier | 16:04 |
BluesKaj | soee: agreed, but then we'll get the visually eye-candy oriented types complaining about the "look" | 16:09 |
acheronuk | soee: or at least working in the short term | 16:10 |
soee | but lets face it, how long will they look at it ? once every 3-5 years when they install it ? :) | 16:11 |
soee | i can make a poll on G+ and ask users what they think :) | 16:12 |
jimarvan | see ya later! :) | 16:12 |
soee | hi by jimarvan | 16:12 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Jumping in on calamares and ubiquity.. | 16:13 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I think we could really benefit from improving this. | 16:13 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> It should incorporate info about getting involved in the community, and where to find stuff | 16:14 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Linux Mint use this strategy to good effect | 16:14 |
clivejo | remember we are a do-ocracy | 16:17 |
clivejo | if you think it needs improving, do something about it! | 16:17 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Yep, I don't mind having a crack at doing it | 16:17 |
acheronuk | port to pyqt5 or do the slides? | 16:18 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I'd like to see something that covers both the install process, but also a post login promo box | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> like mint | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Perhaps calamares does that | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> dunno, not my field | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I can't do design though | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I'll make a it a balls up | 16:19 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> But I am sure KDE VDG would help | 16:20 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> I'll stick it on a card in Trello for now so we don't loose sight of it | 16:20 |
clivejo | https://github.com/linuxmint/ubiquity | 16:22 |
clivejo | doesnt seem to be any work on that | 16:23 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Nice find | 16:23 |
acheronuk | unless they do something they will hit the same problem on their kde front end though? assuming they eventually take the python-qt4 package from ubuntu repos | 16:26 |
clivejo | sideshow looks easy enough - http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/neon/ubiquity-slideshow.git/tree/ | 16:27 |
acheronuk | 1 slide! | 16:28 |
soee | :D | 16:28 |
clivejo | if Mint is based on Debian and Ubuntu, havent they run into the same issues? | 16:30 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> This shows promise | 16:30 |
IrcsomeBot | <Sick_Rimmit> Calamares is mostly written in C++11, with Qt 5 as general purpose library and UI toolkit. | 16:30 |
acheronuk | clivejo: they will not be basing on yakkety yet | 16:30 |
clivejo | oh this is Yakkety only issue right now? | 16:31 |
acheronuk | think so? | 16:32 |
clivejo | no idea | 16:32 |
clivejo | never installed Yakkety | 16:32 |
acheronuk | have only done in a VM here | 16:34 |
acheronuk | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.11.4+dfsg-2 | 16:34 |
acheronuk | ScottK said "this was sync'ed into Xenial" in his email, but I only see in yakkety, so presumably he meant that | 16:36 |
ScottK | I did | 16:46 |
soee | ok we will maybe get some feedback from users soon: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd | 16:57 |
ScottK | soee: slide show is mostly for new users. I doubt they'll be well represented in your sample. | 17:03 |
soee | ScottK: true, but anyway lets wait for some more votes and see what those users think :) | 17:05 |
BluesKaj | soee: for? | 17:05 |
soee | BluesKaj: ? | 17:06 |
BluesKaj | missed the vote thing , just got back | 17:06 |
marco-parillo | The problem is that there is no trade-off. If a devel picks up this task, does another task not get picked up? | 17:06 |
soee | BluesKaj: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd | 17:06 |
BluesKaj | i don't care as long everything works | 17:08 |
soee | :) | 17:09 |
BluesKaj | breeze isn't my style , but i can live with it if need be | 17:10 |
soee | i like it tbh. (the icons) :) | 17:10 |
* clivejo wants chocolate chip KDE | 17:12 | |
BluesKaj | I like breeze dark desktop theme, but I still prefer the old oxygen icons | 17:12 |
soee | https://youtu.be/YY_Lida4wY4?t=18m37s | 17:14 |
BluesKaj | http://imgur.com/lVEIg9J like this | 17:20 |
soee | not to big icons on task bar ? | 17:21 |
BluesKaj | it's OK , I'm 3M from the screen, they don't botherme | 17:22 |
soee | ah :) | 17:22 |
BluesKaj | it's my TV | 17:23 |
BluesKaj | use a wireless KB and mouse from my easychair | 17:24 |
BluesKaj | which kde/plasma package contains krunner/run command?. i just installed ubuntu-server into / then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops, but some packages like kruner are MIA | 19:58 |
clivejo | BluesKaj: plasma-workspace should pull it in | 20:03 |
BluesKaj | clivejo, just tried that, already the newest version | 20:05 |
ScottK | Do you have recommends enabled? | 20:05 |
clivejo | BluesKaj: what distro? | 20:09 |
clivejo | if its yakkety, half of plasma is stuck in proposed | 20:09 |
BluesKaj | hmm, i hear proposed is dangerous at times, do you have it? | 20:11 |
BluesKaj | clivejo,^ | 20:12 |
ScottK | For the development release, you should never run proposed. | 20:14 |
BluesKaj | right ScottK, I'm missing the krunner after the fiasco trying to upgrade yakkety nvidia drivers, left me trying to install the daily which crashes ubiquity , so I install ubuntu server then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops. I mostly works but I miss the run command/krunner | 20:19 |
acheronuk | In VM the other day, I enabled proposed, grabbed plasma etc, then disabled again. | 20:19 |
clivejo | all I know is that plasma is stuck in proposed and breaks the system | 20:21 |
ScottK | You need to figure out why it's stuck. | 20:21 |
clivejo | you either have to install the packages via proposed or staging | 20:21 |
acheronuk | ScottK: It breaks the language packs for one reason I think. | 20:22 |
clivejo | BluesKaj: if its yakkety, enable plasma-staging PPA | 20:24 |
clivejo | I think scarlett also mentioned something about new packages needing to be reviewed or something | 20:26 |
clivejo | Im running plasma 5.6.5 on yakkety currently | 20:27 |
clivejo | with FW 5.23 | 20:27 |
clivejo | apps Ive hit a road block with korganizer and minuet | 20:30 |
clivejo | and no reply to my KDE bug for korganizer which is almost a month old now :( | 20:31 |
BluesKaj | running plasma 5.5.5 atm. I suppose i should enable the stagig ppa | 20:32 |
BluesKaj | staging even | 20:32 |
clivejo | only enable while upgrading, then disable it again | 20:33 |
BluesKaj | ok ,installing 5.6.5 | 20:33 |
BluesKaj | yes | 20:33 |
BluesKaj | aamof I'm going to leave the default open source nvidia driver for the time being until the nvidia proprietaries are sorted out | 20:34 |
BluesKaj | ok rebooting | 20:35 |
BluesKaj | ok good, krunner is back in service | 20:38 |
clivejo | :) | 20:38 |
BluesKaj | ok , ppas are disabled, gonna call it a day...see you tomorrow, take care ;-) | 20:41 |
soee | hiho :) | 20:49 |
soee | ok i have now Neon on my laptop and Kubuntu on PC :) | 20:50 |
acheronuk | did you upgrade a xenial? | 20:50 |
acheronuk | I'm tempted | 20:50 |
soee | nope, i had some strange problems with breeze theme, so i decided to do fresh install | 20:50 |
soee | im on Devstable edition | 20:51 |
soee | so smooth :) | 20:51 |
acheronuk | may do that with my main machine. | 20:51 |
ahoneybun | oh godnes | 20:52 |
ahoneybun | found a site with amazing game wallpapers | 20:52 |
soee | mind sharing ? | 20:52 |
acheronuk | OK. kubuntu is great, but at the moment everything is a bit roadblocked | 20:52 |
ahoneybun | http://www.thevideogamegallery.com/ | 20:52 |
ahoneybun | I'm talking this site high size wallpapers are 10mbs each or so | 20:53 |
soee | ;o | 20:54 |
ahoneybun | soee: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/27726723391/in/dateposted-public/ | 20:57 |
ahoneybun | ;) | 20:57 |
soee | ;D | 20:57 |
ahoneybun | looks so awesome to me | 21:02 |
ahoneybun | my next to games | 21:02 |
ahoneybun | two big | 21:02 |
ahoneybun | soee: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntu-podcast | 21:03 |
soee | why not ust kubuntu group ? | 21:05 |
ahoneybun | people own that group | 21:08 |
ahoneybun | m | 21:08 |
soee | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kde-neon-rock&num=1 | 21:25 |
acheronuk | soee: yes, going to pay to run that on something | 21:39 |
soee | ? | 21:41 |
clivejo | acheronuk: is it possible to backport Qt 5.6.1? | 21:53 |
acheronuk | to xenial? | 21:54 |
clivejo | yup | 21:54 |
acheronuk | I'm sure it's 'possible' | 21:54 |
clivejo | mind trying? | 21:55 |
acheronuk | can have a go | 21:55 |
acheronuk | for plasma 5.7? | 21:55 |
clivejo | that would be the end goal :P | 21:56 |
acheronuk | I thought people were a bit dubious about providing qt 5.6 backports for xenial as it would disrupt the main archive packages too much | 21:57 |
clivejo | maybe | 21:58 |
acheronuk | can have a go anyway. | 21:58 |
acheronuk | Ok. I'll give it a go in the next few days :) | 22:02 |
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