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soee_i'm the Rhanda 100th donnor :)01:50
ahoneybunsweet02:18
ahoneybunDarinMiller: do you use one panel on each screen or just one screen?03:01
ahoneybun*one panel03:01
DarinMillerahoneybun: yes, I only use one panel on my primary monitor.03:27
jimarvanaaand goodmorning! :)08:12
acheronukmorning :)08:48
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Hi Good Morning πŸ˜ƒ08:48
BluesKajHey folks11:06
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> /me Waves11:13
jimarvanhey :D11:16
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Hey there jimarvan πŸ˜ƒ11:16
jimarvanRick did you see my 11 year old office laptop? ;)11:16
jimarvangod i love that beast11:16
BluesKajhi Sick_Rimmit, jimarvan11:17
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> No I didn't see that11:17
jimarvanhey blue :D11:17
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> It's was great fun at the Party πŸ˜ƒ11:17
jimarvanhttps://plus.google.com/photos/photo/102500187633373680303/629820739254095605011:17
jimarvancheck it out. Ye party was fantastic! :)11:17
jimarvanIt is a great idea to post pictures of our old laptop working with kubuntu 16.0411:18
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> The Acer running 16.04 That's nice11:18
jimarvan:D11:18
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> My Samsung R710 is from 2009, so not quite as old, but I really like it.11:18
jimarvanA lot of people in my company want to exchange chromebooks with old laptops using Kubuntu 16.0411:19
jimarvanthey absolutely start loving it here11:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Great to see older hardware still being used in production, because of the efficiency of Kubuntu11:19
jimarvanbtw after the kubuntu party, 4 of us gathered at steam11:26
jimarvanand we made a Kubuntu group! :)11:27
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Ooo did you11:27
jimarvanso if anyone is on Steam and wants to get in please let me know to share11:27
jimarvanI will organize it a bit more as soon as I am done with work ;)11:27
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I have Steam account11:27
jimarvanawesome! :D11:28
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I'd like to join the Group11:28
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I don't do much with Steam, only have one game Torchlight II11:28
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> But I think I would like Civilisation11:28
jimarvanoh yes you would! 11:28
jimarvanno worries after 17:00 I will organize the group, make it public, then post it on podcast11:29
jimarvanand kubuntu/ubuntu groups11:29
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> When I get home, this evening I will go into Steam and see if I can find Group11:29
jimarvan:D11:29
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Yep, we'll cover that on the Podcast no worries11:29
jimarvanrick it was kenteris idea11:29
jimarvannew blood with bright new ideas11:29
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> πŸ˜ƒ11:29
jimarvanoh well time-out over, back to work! ;)11:30
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> See you11:30
pekkarisuch a sofisticated keyboard for an old laptop :)11:31
clivejoacheronuk: hi mate, was busy this weekend with other stuff.  So installing Qt 5.6.1 wants to removed a ton of stuff?11:33
acheronuknot a ton11:34
clivejohalf a ton then :P11:35
acheronukand many KG as you might expect, once given some thought11:35
clivejodid you let it remove and continue with install?11:36
acheronukno. I was just doing that very quickly11:38
* clivejo wonders if he moved it to frameworks staging and tried building FW5.23 on it11:38
acheronukhttps://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-6-1.html11:40
acheronuktick 'good' and you can see what the collisions were, and what debian have transitioned/rebuilt so far11:40
acheronuknot much or any of FW needs it?11:41
clivejonot sure, but seems most logical place to start11:45
clivejoand then build plasma 5.6.95 on top of that :)11:45
clivejohttps://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.95.php11:46
clivejoyou havent attempted Qt 5.7?11:48
acheronuklol. no11:48
acheronukmaybe give it a try, but I would be very much winging it with the packaging11:49
acheronukJust going to break a VM installing 5.6.1 :P11:49
acheronuktrying to re-install plasma-desktop and plasma-framework after qt5.6.1 upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/17589528/11:56
acheronukso seems kdeclarative and some other would need to be redone12:02
* acheronuk buys 16 GB RAM :)12:12
clivejocould do with more RAM12:13
acheronukcould do with a SSD, but maybe next month12:13
clivejoLOL lots of things I would like12:14
clivejobut cant justify spending money on it12:14
acheronukdecent graphics card would be nice as well12:14
acheronukbut deffo can't justify that!12:15
clivejogrrrr I hate stupid people12:15
clivejoI have this guy called Jullian who scammed my father out of money when he was dying of cancer.  He now thinks he’s my financial adviser and calls me about twice a week.  I have shouted at him, I have tried to explain nicely and he still calls me, nice as pie every time12:18
clivejohes like a robot12:18
acheronukdoes he also offer to fix your computer as it "has a virus"? ;) 12:19
clivejonope12:19
clivejoits boiler room scam12:20
clivejojust got my Monday morning call from him!12:21
acheronukyeah, sounds it. scammers working on a script are not the brightest people12:21
clivejowell lunchtime :P12:21
clivejohes like a gold fish12:21
clivejoalways asks to speak to my father12:22
clivejothe first few years it really upset me12:23
clivejonow I just let him waffle on and laugh at him12:23
clivejoif hes being tied up for 30mins "talking" to me, at least hes not conning others out of money!12:24
acheronuksadly these scammers are a fact of life now. think the stat the other day was if your landline (if you have one) rings, it more likely to be a scammer than noy12:24
acheronuk*not12:24
clivejovery true12:24
acheronukwinding up the microsoft ones can be entertaining12:24
clivejoId completely block withheld numbers but some of my family withhold their numbers12:25
acheronukhalf the time they spoof a CLID12:26
clivejoyeah12:26
clivejoI reckon BT could block those at network level12:26
acheronukyes. appalling that they can still technically still do that. 12:27
clivejobut too busy robbing customers and providing sorry excuses for broadband12:27
acheronukyes, no fibre here yet. adsl is OK, but slooooow upload12:28
clivejoeven their fibre is a lie!12:29
clivejoits fibre to cabinet and that fibre is heavily contended 12:30
acheronuksuppose that is what you get when you are forcing a company to roll out when they're not really ready12:30
clivejoBT will never be ready12:31
clivejoand Offcom are like a very annoying chihuahua, who bark and yap a lot, but confront them and they pee themselves!12:33
acheronukits all quite pathetic in 2016, considering the reliance on being connected now12:34
* clivejo nods12:35
acheronukOK. any suggestions on what would be most helpful to do/work on in next few days?12:36
clivejoIm not sure12:36
acheronukdojo is a week on thurs12:36
acheronukKCI is still on holiday?12:37
clivejoyeah12:37
clivejoneed to fix that LP is not available thing12:38
acheronukyofel: any input on what may be most useful for me to do or learn at the moment?12:39
acheronukclivejo: as in retrying on error?12:39
clivejoyeah12:40
clivejoits failing packages that are building fine12:40
clivejobut once they fail they have to be manually retried12:40
* acheronuk gazes at the mystery of the KCI code12:40
acheronuknope. not sure I know where to start on that12:44
clivejome neither12:51
BluesKajkubuntu yakkety daily image install fails after the partitioning phase, ubiquity gives an error message, Confirmed by 2 images from today's daily burned on 2 different pcs13:17
BluesKajboth images are the 64bit iso13:22
acheronukWhat's the error?13:24
BluesKajinstallation failed, flolowed by some long explanation that ididn't bother reading , it happened 4 times at exactly the same point in the install, when the partitioning settings were finished and the formatting was about to begin13:28
BluesKaji was reinstalling due to the nvidia update script problem which is blocking related apps/dependencies fropm being upgraded or installed 13:31
BluesKajbbl13:38
acheronuk http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/13:49
acheronukso https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-June/010477.html13:54
BluesKajok thanks acheronuk 13:58
acheronukLP: #159325813:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1593258 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "16.10 KDE Daily Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159325813:59
acheronukhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4 "Stop building and installing the WebKit module (closes: #784513)"14:04
acheronukPublished on 2016-06-1014:04
acheronukyofel clivejo: who can fix that?14:24
yofeljimarvan: we already have a steam group from a long time ago http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntucontributors15:11
yofelacheronuk: either we a) decide to support webkit ourselves (rather crazy idea), or we b) port  ubiquity to qt5 (which is a lot of work)15:12
acheronukwho has the time and ability for (b)? kubuntu developers with time/inclination seem very scarce 15:15
yofeldunno really. You would need to know PyQt5 for that. Ovidiu at least knows Qt, but not sure if he has time15:16
acheronukneon still using ubiquity I presume. staying with a xenial base, they won't have to seriously address the problem for some time 15:20
soeewat about kalamares ?15:23
soee*C15:23
soeehttps://calamares.io15:23
soeeyofel: Tanglu uses it so you should know it a bit no ? :D15:24
* clivejo giggles15:24
* soee juggles15:25
soeebtw. Neos with 5.7 works pretty cool in VB15:26
soeei like it ships by default VLC and Yakuake :)15:26
soee*Neon15:26
acheronukat the moment I'm sorely tempted to add neon sources to this xenial install15:27
clivejodid Neon not port ubiquity?15:27
soeei doubt, Riddell ^15:28
Riddellnope, still qt 415:28
soeeRiddell: and what are the pans for the future ?15:28
acheronukthey have their own slideshow I think, and that is it?15:28
soeeport it or witch ?15:28
soee*switch15:28
* acheronuk too slow typing15:29
yofelcalamares does the job. But we would loose any ubuntu integration and co-developed features we have by sharing the installer source. 15:36
acheronukthis is annoying, as only just got the daily isos installing again after the last bug! now this.15:40
BluesKajmy pants are too loose , if i don't tighten my belt I'll lose them15:41
BluesKajjust a hint for those about loose and lose15:43
ScottKyofel: In Debian we're in the latter stages of getting rid of QtWebKit for Qt4 and that includes dropping support from PyQt4.  Someone really ought to port Ubiquity to Qt5 (meaning PyQt5).15:46
soeeUbuntu uses it as installer to?15:48
soeethey do not plan to port ?15:48
yofelsoee: they don't use the Qt UI15:49
soeeso it all is about GUI ?15:49
acheronukpresumably mostly the kde parts here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/ubiquity/frontend/15:52
soeeuhm, isn't there GSOC now ?15:53
soeemaybe some student could handle it ?15:53
acheronukhow crucial is QtWebKit for the installer? not 100% sure, but thinks it only crashes when you get towards the slideshow during copy/install?15:58
acheronukI was able to partition, add user, do timezone/keyboard before it did15:59
acheronukdoh! yes. it is there. stupidly obvious http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/16:01
BluesKajI got as far as setting up the partiton mountpoints, just before formatting altho i think / was partly formatted because ebrn tho it's still listed in upgate-grub , it' nolonger in the bootloader16:02
soeeacheronuk: what this QtWebKit does exactly there ?16:02
BluesKajebrn=even16:02
soeeQt WebKit is a web content rendering engine ..16:02
soeewhy it is needed in installer ?16:02
acheronuksoee: that error suggests to me it runs the slidehow.16:03
soeelets throw away slideshow, use static image16:03
acheronukin the qt version16:03
soee= throw away qtwebkit ?16:03
acheronukI for one don't give two hoots about a slideshow16:03
soeeNeon uses single image to16:03
soeelets make stuff simpler and better not fancier and buggier16:04
BluesKajsoee:  agreed,  but then we'll get the visually eye-candy oriented types complaining about the "look" 16:09
acheronuksoee: or at least working in the short term16:10
soeebut lets face it, how long will they look at it ? once every 3-5 years when they install it ? :)16:11
soeei can make a poll on G+ and ask users what they think :)16:12
jimarvansee ya later! :)16:12
soeehi by  jimarvan16:12
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Jumping in on calamares and ubiquity..16:13
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I think we could really benefit from improving this.16:13
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> It should incorporate info about getting involved in the community, and where to find stuff16:14
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Linux Mint use this strategy to good effect16:14
clivejoremember we are a do-ocracy16:17
clivejoif you think it needs improving, do something about it!16:17
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Yep, I don't mind having a crack at doing it16:17
acheronukport to pyqt5 or do the slides?16:18
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I'd like to see something that covers both the install process, but also a post login promo box16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> like mint16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Perhaps calamares does that16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> dunno, not my field16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I can't do design though16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I'll make a it a balls up16:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> But I am sure KDE VDG would help16:20
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I'll stick it on a card in Trello for now so we don't loose sight of it16:20
clivejohttps://github.com/linuxmint/ubiquity16:22
clivejodoesnt seem to be any work on that16:23
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Nice find16:23
acheronukunless they do something they will hit the same problem on their kde front end though? assuming they eventually take the python-qt4 package from ubuntu repos16:26
clivejosideshow looks easy enough - http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/neon/ubiquity-slideshow.git/tree/16:27
acheronuk1 slide!16:28
soee:D16:28
clivejoif Mint is based on Debian and Ubuntu, havent they run into the same issues?16:30
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> This shows promise16:30
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Calamares is mostly written in C++11, with Qt 5 as general purpose library and UI toolkit.16:30
acheronukclivejo: they will not be basing on yakkety yet16:30
clivejooh this is Yakkety only issue right now?16:31
acheronukthink so?16:32
clivejono idea16:32
clivejonever installed Yakkety16:32
acheronukhave only done in a VM here16:34
acheronukhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.11.4+dfsg-216:34
acheronukScottK said "this was sync'ed into Xenial" in his email, but I only see in yakkety, so presumably he meant that16:36
ScottKI did16:46
soeeok we will maybe get some feedback from users soon: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd16:57
ScottKsoee: slide show is mostly for new users.  I doubt they'll be well represented in your sample.17:03
soeeScottK: true, but anyway lets wait for some more votes and see what those users think :)17:05
BluesKajsoee: for?17:05
soeeBluesKaj: ?17:06
BluesKajmissed the vote thing , just got back17:06
marco-parilloThe problem is that there is no trade-off. If a devel picks up this task, does another task not get picked up?17:06
soeeBluesKaj: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd17:06
BluesKaji don't care as long everything works17:08
soee:)17:09
BluesKajbreeze isn't my style , but i can live with it if need be17:10
soeei like it tbh. (the icons) :)17:10
* clivejo wants chocolate chip KDE17:12
BluesKajI like breeze dark desktop theme, but I still prefer the old oxygen icons17:12
soeehttps://youtu.be/YY_Lida4wY4?t=18m37s17:14
BluesKajhttp://imgur.com/lVEIg9J like this17:20
soeenot to big icons on task bar ?17:21
BluesKajit's OK , I'm 3M from the screen, they don't botherme17:22
soeeah :)17:22
BluesKajit's my TV17:23
BluesKajuse a wireless KB and mouse from my easychair17:24
BluesKajwhich kde/plasma package contains krunner/run command?. i just installed ubuntu-server into / then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops, but some packages like kruner are MIA19:58
clivejoBluesKaj: plasma-workspace should pull it in20:03
BluesKajclivejo, just tried that, already the newest version20:05
ScottKDo you have recommends enabled?20:05
clivejoBluesKaj: what distro?20:09
clivejoif its yakkety, half of plasma is stuck in proposed20:09
BluesKajhmm, i hear proposed is dangerous at times, do you have it?20:11
BluesKajclivejo,^20:12
ScottKFor the development release, you should never run proposed.20:14
BluesKajright ScottK, I'm missing the krunner after the fiasco trying to upgrade yakkety nvidia drivers, left me trying to install the daily which crashes ubiquity , so I install ubuntu server then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops. I mostly works but I miss the run command/krunner20:19
acheronukIn VM the other day, I enabled proposed, grabbed plasma etc, then disabled again.20:19
clivejoall I know is that plasma is stuck in proposed and breaks the system20:21
ScottKYou need to figure out why it's stuck.20:21
clivejoyou either have to install the packages via proposed or staging20:21
acheronukScottK: It breaks the language packs for one reason I think.20:22
clivejoBluesKaj: if its yakkety, enable plasma-staging PPA20:24
clivejoI think scarlett also mentioned something about new packages needing to be reviewed or something20:26
clivejoIm running plasma 5.6.5 on yakkety currently20:27
clivejowith FW 5.2320:27
clivejoapps Ive hit a road block with korganizer and minuet20:30
clivejoand no reply to my KDE bug for korganizer which is almost a month old now :(20:31
BluesKajrunning plasma 5.5.5 atm. I suppose i should enable the stagig ppa20:32
BluesKajstaging even20:32
clivejoonly enable while upgrading, then disable it again20:33
BluesKajok ,installing 5.6.520:33
BluesKajyes20:33
BluesKajaamof I'm going to leave the default open source nvidia driver for the time being until the nvidia proprietaries are sorted out20:34
BluesKajok rebooting20:35
BluesKajok good, krunner is back in service20:38
clivejo:)20:38
BluesKajok , ppas are disabled, gonna call it a day...see you tomorrow, take care ;-)20:41
soeehiho :)20:49
soeeok i have now Neon on my laptop and Kubuntu on PC :)20:50
acheronukdid you upgrade a xenial?20:50
acheronukI'm tempted20:50
soeenope, i had some strange problems with breeze theme, so i decided to do fresh install20:50
soeeim on Devstable edition20:51
soeeso smooth :)20:51
acheronukmay do that with my main machine. 20:51
ahoneybunoh godnes20:52
ahoneybunfound a site with amazing game wallpapers20:52
soeemind sharing ?20:52
acheronukOK. kubuntu is great, but at the moment everything is a bit roadblocked20:52
ahoneybunhttp://www.thevideogamegallery.com/20:52
ahoneybunI'm talking this site high size wallpapers are 10mbs each or so20:53
soee;o20:54
ahoneybunsoee: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/27726723391/in/dateposted-public/20:57
ahoneybun;)20:57
soee;D20:57
ahoneybunlooks so awesome to me21:02
ahoneybunmy next to games21:02
ahoneybuntwo big21:02
ahoneybunsoee: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntu-podcast21:03
soeewhy not ust kubuntu group ?21:05
ahoneybunpeople own that group21:08
ahoneybunm21:08
soeehttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kde-neon-rock&num=121:25
acheronuksoee: yes, going to pay to run that on something21:39
soee?21:41
clivejoacheronuk: is it possible to backport Qt 5.6.1?21:53
acheronukto xenial?21:54
clivejoyup21:54
acheronukI'm sure it's 'possible'21:54
clivejomind trying?21:55
acheronukcan have a go21:55
acheronukfor plasma 5.7?21:55
clivejothat would be the end goal :P21:56
acheronukI thought people were a bit dubious about providing qt 5.6 backports for xenial as it would disrupt the main archive packages too much 21:57
clivejomaybe21:58
acheronukcan have a go anyway.21:58
acheronukOk. I'll give it a go in the next few days :)22:02

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