=== Guest63046 is now known as claydoh [01:50] i'm the Rhanda 100th donnor :) [02:18] sweet [03:01] DarinMiller: do you use one panel on each screen or just one screen? [03:01] *one panel [03:27] ahoneybun: yes, I only use one panel on my primary monitor. [08:12] aaand goodmorning! :) [08:48] morning :) [08:48] Hi Good Morning 😃 [11:06] Hey folks [11:13] /me Waves [11:16] hey :D [11:16] Hey there jimarvan 😃 [11:16] Rick did you see my 11 year old office laptop? ;) [11:16] god i love that beast [11:17] hi Sick_Rimmit, jimarvan [11:17] No I didn't see that [11:17] hey blue :D [11:17] It's was great fun at the Party 😃 [11:17] https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/102500187633373680303/6298207392540956050 [11:17] check it out. Ye party was fantastic! :) [11:18] It is a great idea to post pictures of our old laptop working with kubuntu 16.04 [11:18] The Acer running 16.04 That's nice [11:18] :D [11:18] My Samsung R710 is from 2009, so not quite as old, but I really like it. [11:19] A lot of people in my company want to exchange chromebooks with old laptops using Kubuntu 16.04 [11:19] they absolutely start loving it here [11:19] Great to see older hardware still being used in production, because of the efficiency of Kubuntu [11:26] btw after the kubuntu party, 4 of us gathered at steam [11:27] and we made a Kubuntu group! :) [11:27] Ooo did you [11:27] so if anyone is on Steam and wants to get in please let me know to share [11:27] I will organize it a bit more as soon as I am done with work ;) [11:27] I have Steam account [11:28] awesome! :D [11:28] I'd like to join the Group [11:28] I don't do much with Steam, only have one game Torchlight II [11:28] But I think I would like Civilisation [11:28] oh yes you would! [11:29] no worries after 17:00 I will organize the group, make it public, then post it on podcast [11:29] and kubuntu/ubuntu groups [11:29] When I get home, this evening I will go into Steam and see if I can find Group [11:29] :D [11:29] Yep, we'll cover that on the Podcast no worries [11:29] rick it was kenteris idea [11:29] new blood with bright new ideas [11:29] 😃 [11:30] oh well time-out over, back to work! ;) [11:30] See you [11:31] such a sofisticated keyboard for an old laptop :) [11:33] acheronuk: hi mate, was busy this weekend with other stuff. So installing Qt 5.6.1 wants to removed a ton of stuff? [11:34] not a ton [11:35] half a ton then :P [11:35] and many KG as you might expect, once given some thought [11:36] did you let it remove and continue with install? [11:38] no. I was just doing that very quickly [11:38] * clivejo wonders if he moved it to frameworks staging and tried building FW5.23 on it [11:40] https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-6-1.html [11:40] tick 'good' and you can see what the collisions were, and what debian have transitioned/rebuilt so far [11:41] not much or any of FW needs it? [11:45] not sure, but seems most logical place to start [11:45] and then build plasma 5.6.95 on top of that :) [11:46] https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.95.php [11:48] you havent attempted Qt 5.7? [11:48] lol. no [11:49] maybe give it a try, but I would be very much winging it with the packaging [11:49] Just going to break a VM installing 5.6.1 :P [11:56] trying to re-install plasma-desktop and plasma-framework after qt5.6.1 upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/17589528/ [12:02] so seems kdeclarative and some other would need to be redone [12:12] * acheronuk buys 16 GB RAM :) [12:13] could do with more RAM [12:13] could do with a SSD, but maybe next month [12:14] LOL lots of things I would like [12:14] but cant justify spending money on it [12:14] decent graphics card would be nice as well [12:15] but deffo can't justify that! [12:15] grrrr I hate stupid people [12:18] I have this guy called Jullian who scammed my father out of money when he was dying of cancer. He now thinks he’s my financial adviser and calls me about twice a week. I have shouted at him, I have tried to explain nicely and he still calls me, nice as pie every time [12:18] hes like a robot [12:19] does he also offer to fix your computer as it "has a virus"? ;) [12:19] nope [12:20] its boiler room scam [12:21] just got my Monday morning call from him! [12:21] yeah, sounds it. scammers working on a script are not the brightest people [12:21] well lunchtime :P [12:21] hes like a gold fish [12:22] always asks to speak to my father [12:23] the first few years it really upset me [12:23] now I just let him waffle on and laugh at him [12:24] if hes being tied up for 30mins "talking" to me, at least hes not conning others out of money! [12:24] sadly these scammers are a fact of life now. think the stat the other day was if your landline (if you have one) rings, it more likely to be a scammer than noy [12:24] *not [12:24] very true [12:24] winding up the microsoft ones can be entertaining [12:25] Id completely block withheld numbers but some of my family withhold their numbers [12:26] half the time they spoof a CLID [12:26] yeah [12:26] I reckon BT could block those at network level [12:27] yes. appalling that they can still technically still do that. [12:27] but too busy robbing customers and providing sorry excuses for broadband [12:28] yes, no fibre here yet. adsl is OK, but slooooow upload [12:29] even their fibre is a lie! [12:30] its fibre to cabinet and that fibre is heavily contended [12:30] suppose that is what you get when you are forcing a company to roll out when they're not really ready [12:31] BT will never be ready [12:33] and Offcom are like a very annoying chihuahua, who bark and yap a lot, but confront them and they pee themselves! [12:34] its all quite pathetic in 2016, considering the reliance on being connected now [12:35] * clivejo nods [12:36] OK. any suggestions on what would be most helpful to do/work on in next few days? [12:36] Im not sure [12:36] dojo is a week on thurs [12:37] KCI is still on holiday? [12:37] yeah [12:38] need to fix that LP is not available thing [12:39] yofel: any input on what may be most useful for me to do or learn at the moment? [12:39] clivejo: as in retrying on error? [12:40] yeah [12:40] its failing packages that are building fine [12:40] but once they fail they have to be manually retried [12:40] * acheronuk gazes at the mystery of the KCI code [12:44] nope. not sure I know where to start on that [12:51] me neither [13:17] kubuntu yakkety daily image install fails after the partitioning phase, ubiquity gives an error message, Confirmed by 2 images from today's daily burned on 2 different pcs [13:22] both images are the 64bit iso [13:24] What's the error? [13:28] installation failed, flolowed by some long explanation that ididn't bother reading , it happened 4 times at exactly the same point in the install, when the partitioning settings were finished and the formatting was about to begin [13:31] i was reinstalling due to the nvidia update script problem which is blocking related apps/dependencies fropm being upgraded or installed [13:38] bbl [13:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/ [13:54] so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-June/010477.html [13:58] ok thanks acheronuk [13:59] LP: #1593258 [13:59] Launchpad bug 1593258 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "16.10 KDE Daily Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1593258 [14:04] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4 "Stop building and installing the WebKit module (closes: #784513)" [14:04] Published on 2016-06-10 [14:24] yofel clivejo: who can fix that? [15:11] jimarvan: we already have a steam group from a long time ago http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntucontributors [15:12] acheronuk: either we a) decide to support webkit ourselves (rather crazy idea), or we b) port ubiquity to qt5 (which is a lot of work) [15:15] who has the time and ability for (b)? kubuntu developers with time/inclination seem very scarce [15:16] dunno really. You would need to know PyQt5 for that. Ovidiu at least knows Qt, but not sure if he has time [15:20] neon still using ubiquity I presume. staying with a xenial base, they won't have to seriously address the problem for some time [15:23] wat about kalamares ? [15:23] *C [15:23] https://calamares.io [15:24] yofel: Tanglu uses it so you should know it a bit no ? :D [15:24] * clivejo giggles [15:25] * soee juggles [15:26] btw. Neos with 5.7 works pretty cool in VB [15:26] i like it ships by default VLC and Yakuake :) [15:26] *Neon [15:27] at the moment I'm sorely tempted to add neon sources to this xenial install [15:27] did Neon not port ubiquity? [15:28] i doubt, Riddell ^ [15:28] nope, still qt 4 [15:28] Riddell: and what are the pans for the future ? [15:28] they have their own slideshow I think, and that is it? [15:28] port it or witch ? [15:28] *switch [15:29] * acheronuk too slow typing [15:36] calamares does the job. But we would loose any ubuntu integration and co-developed features we have by sharing the installer source. [15:40] this is annoying, as only just got the daily isos installing again after the last bug! now this. [15:41] my pants are too loose , if i don't tighten my belt I'll lose them [15:43] just a hint for those about loose and lose [15:46] yofel: In Debian we're in the latter stages of getting rid of QtWebKit for Qt4 and that includes dropping support from PyQt4. Someone really ought to port Ubiquity to Qt5 (meaning PyQt5). [15:48] Ubuntu uses it as installer to? [15:48] they do not plan to port ? [15:49] soee: they don't use the Qt UI [15:49] so it all is about GUI ? [15:52] presumably mostly the kde parts here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/ubiquity/frontend/ [15:53] uhm, isn't there GSOC now ? [15:53] maybe some student could handle it ? [15:58] how crucial is QtWebKit for the installer? not 100% sure, but thinks it only crashes when you get towards the slideshow during copy/install? [15:59] I was able to partition, add user, do timezone/keyboard before it did [16:01] doh! yes. it is there. stupidly obvious http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/ [16:02] I got as far as setting up the partiton mountpoints, just before formatting altho i think / was partly formatted because ebrn tho it's still listed in upgate-grub , it' nolonger in the bootloader [16:02] acheronuk: what this QtWebKit does exactly there ? [16:02] ebrn=even [16:02] Qt WebKit is a web content rendering engine .. [16:02] why it is needed in installer ? [16:03] soee: that error suggests to me it runs the slidehow. [16:03] lets throw away slideshow, use static image [16:03] in the qt version [16:03] = throw away qtwebkit ? [16:03] I for one don't give two hoots about a slideshow [16:03] Neon uses single image to [16:04] lets make stuff simpler and better not fancier and buggier [16:09] soee: agreed, but then we'll get the visually eye-candy oriented types complaining about the "look" [16:10] soee: or at least working in the short term [16:11] but lets face it, how long will they look at it ? once every 3-5 years when they install it ? :) [16:12] i can make a poll on G+ and ask users what they think :) [16:12] see ya later! :) [16:12] hi by jimarvan [16:13] Jumping in on calamares and ubiquity.. [16:13] I think we could really benefit from improving this. [16:14] It should incorporate info about getting involved in the community, and where to find stuff [16:14] Linux Mint use this strategy to good effect [16:17] remember we are a do-ocracy [16:17] if you think it needs improving, do something about it! [16:17] Yep, I don't mind having a crack at doing it [16:18] port to pyqt5 or do the slides? [16:19] I'd like to see something that covers both the install process, but also a post login promo box [16:19] like mint [16:19] Perhaps calamares does that [16:19] dunno, not my field [16:19] I can't do design though [16:19] I'll make a it a balls up [16:20] But I am sure KDE VDG would help [16:20] I'll stick it on a card in Trello for now so we don't loose sight of it [16:22] https://github.com/linuxmint/ubiquity [16:23] doesnt seem to be any work on that [16:23] Nice find [16:26] unless they do something they will hit the same problem on their kde front end though? assuming they eventually take the python-qt4 package from ubuntu repos [16:27] sideshow looks easy enough - http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/neon/ubiquity-slideshow.git/tree/ [16:28] 1 slide! [16:28] :D [16:30] if Mint is based on Debian and Ubuntu, havent they run into the same issues? [16:30] This shows promise [16:30] Calamares is mostly written in C++11, with Qt 5 as general purpose library and UI toolkit. [16:30] clivejo: they will not be basing on yakkety yet [16:31] oh this is Yakkety only issue right now? [16:32] think so? [16:32] no idea [16:32] never installed Yakkety [16:34] have only done in a VM here [16:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.11.4+dfsg-2 [16:36] ScottK said "this was sync'ed into Xenial" in his email, but I only see in yakkety, so presumably he meant that [16:46] I did [16:57] ok we will maybe get some feedback from users soon: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd [17:03] soee: slide show is mostly for new users. I doubt they'll be well represented in your sample. [17:05] ScottK: true, but anyway lets wait for some more votes and see what those users think :) [17:05] soee: for? [17:06] BluesKaj: ? [17:06] missed the vote thing , just got back [17:06] The problem is that there is no trade-off. If a devel picks up this task, does another task not get picked up? [17:06] BluesKaj: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd [17:08] i don't care as long everything works [17:09] :) [17:10] breeze isn't my style , but i can live with it if need be [17:10] i like it tbh. (the icons) :) [17:12] * clivejo wants chocolate chip KDE [17:12] I like breeze dark desktop theme, but I still prefer the old oxygen icons [17:14] https://youtu.be/YY_Lida4wY4?t=18m37s [17:20] http://imgur.com/lVEIg9J like this [17:21] not to big icons on task bar ? [17:22] it's OK , I'm 3M from the screen, they don't botherme [17:22] ah :) [17:23] it's my TV [17:24] use a wireless KB and mouse from my easychair [19:58] which kde/plasma package contains krunner/run command?. i just installed ubuntu-server into / then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops, but some packages like kruner are MIA [20:03] BluesKaj: plasma-workspace should pull it in [20:05] clivejo, just tried that, already the newest version [20:05] Do you have recommends enabled? [20:09] BluesKaj: what distro? [20:09] if its yakkety, half of plasma is stuck in proposed [20:11] hmm, i hear proposed is dangerous at times, do you have it? [20:12] clivejo,^ [20:14] For the development release, you should never run proposed. [20:19] right ScottK, I'm missing the krunner after the fiasco trying to upgrade yakkety nvidia drivers, left me trying to install the daily which crashes ubiquity , so I install ubuntu server then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops. I mostly works but I miss the run command/krunner [20:19] In VM the other day, I enabled proposed, grabbed plasma etc, then disabled again. [20:21] all I know is that plasma is stuck in proposed and breaks the system [20:21] You need to figure out why it's stuck. [20:21] you either have to install the packages via proposed or staging [20:22] ScottK: It breaks the language packs for one reason I think. [20:24] BluesKaj: if its yakkety, enable plasma-staging PPA [20:26] I think scarlett also mentioned something about new packages needing to be reviewed or something [20:27] Im running plasma 5.6.5 on yakkety currently [20:27] with FW 5.23 [20:30] apps Ive hit a road block with korganizer and minuet [20:31] and no reply to my KDE bug for korganizer which is almost a month old now :( [20:32] running plasma 5.5.5 atm. I suppose i should enable the stagig ppa [20:32] staging even [20:33] only enable while upgrading, then disable it again [20:33] ok ,installing 5.6.5 [20:33] yes [20:34] aamof I'm going to leave the default open source nvidia driver for the time being until the nvidia proprietaries are sorted out [20:35] ok rebooting [20:38] ok good, krunner is back in service [20:38] :) [20:41] ok , ppas are disabled, gonna call it a day...see you tomorrow, take care ;-) [20:49] hiho :) [20:50] ok i have now Neon on my laptop and Kubuntu on PC :) [20:50] did you upgrade a xenial? [20:50] I'm tempted [20:50] nope, i had some strange problems with breeze theme, so i decided to do fresh install [20:51] im on Devstable edition [20:51] so smooth :) [20:51] may do that with my main machine. [20:52] oh godnes [20:52] found a site with amazing game wallpapers [20:52] mind sharing ? [20:52] OK. kubuntu is great, but at the moment everything is a bit roadblocked [20:52] http://www.thevideogamegallery.com/ [20:53] I'm talking this site high size wallpapers are 10mbs each or so [20:54] ;o [20:57] soee: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/27726723391/in/dateposted-public/ [20:57] ;) [20:57] ;D [21:02] looks so awesome to me [21:02] my next to games [21:02] two big [21:03] soee: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntu-podcast [21:05] why not ust kubuntu group ? [21:08] people own that group [21:08] m [21:25] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kde-neon-rock&num=1 [21:39] soee: yes, going to pay to run that on something [21:41] ? [21:53] acheronuk: is it possible to backport Qt 5.6.1? [21:54] to xenial? [21:54] yup [21:54] I'm sure it's 'possible' [21:55] mind trying? [21:55] can have a go [21:55] for plasma 5.7? [21:56] that would be the end goal :P [21:57] I thought people were a bit dubious about providing qt 5.6 backports for xenial as it would disrupt the main archive packages too much [21:58] maybe [21:58] can have a go anyway. [22:02] Ok. I'll give it a go in the next few days :)