[01:50] <soee_> i'm the Rhanda 100th donnor :)
[02:18] <ahoneybun> sweet
[03:01] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller: do you use one panel on each screen or just one screen?
[03:01] <ahoneybun> *one panel
[03:27] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: yes, I only use one panel on my primary monitor.
[08:12] <jimarvan> aaand goodmorning! :)
[08:48] <acheronuk> morning :)
 Hi Good Morning 😃
[11:06] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
 /me Waves
[11:16] <jimarvan> hey :D
 Hey there jimarvan 😃
[11:16] <jimarvan> Rick did you see my 11 year old office laptop? ;)
[11:16] <jimarvan> god i love that beast
[11:17] <BluesKaj> hi Sick_Rimmit, jimarvan
 No I didn't see that
[11:17] <jimarvan> hey blue :D
 It's was great fun at the Party 😃
[11:17] <jimarvan> https://plus.google.com/photos/photo/102500187633373680303/6298207392540956050
[11:17] <jimarvan> check it out. Ye party was fantastic! :)
[11:18] <jimarvan> It is a great idea to post pictures of our old laptop working with kubuntu 16.04
 The Acer running 16.04 That's nice
[11:18] <jimarvan> :D
 My Samsung R710 is from 2009, so not quite as old, but I really like it.
[11:19] <jimarvan> A lot of people in my company want to exchange chromebooks with old laptops using Kubuntu 16.04
[11:19] <jimarvan> they absolutely start loving it here
 Great to see older hardware still being used in production, because of the efficiency of Kubuntu
[11:26] <jimarvan> btw after the kubuntu party, 4 of us gathered at steam
[11:27] <jimarvan> and we made a Kubuntu group! :)
 Ooo did you
[11:27] <jimarvan> so if anyone is on Steam and wants to get in please let me know to share
[11:27] <jimarvan> I will organize it a bit more as soon as I am done with work ;)
 I have Steam account
[11:28] <jimarvan> awesome! :D
 I'd like to join the Group
 I don't do much with Steam, only have one game Torchlight II
 But I think I would like Civilisation
[11:28] <jimarvan> oh yes you would! 
[11:29] <jimarvan> no worries after 17:00 I will organize the group, make it public, then post it on podcast
[11:29] <jimarvan> and kubuntu/ubuntu groups
 When I get home, this evening I will go into Steam and see if I can find Group
[11:29] <jimarvan> :D
 Yep, we'll cover that on the Podcast no worries
[11:29] <jimarvan> rick it was kenteris idea
[11:29] <jimarvan> new blood with bright new ideas
 😃
[11:30] <jimarvan> oh well time-out over, back to work! ;)
 See you
[11:31] <pekkari> such a sofisticated keyboard for an old laptop :)
[11:33] <clivejo> acheronuk: hi mate, was busy this weekend with other stuff.  So installing Qt 5.6.1 wants to removed a ton of stuff?
[11:34] <acheronuk> not a ton
[11:35] <clivejo> half a ton then :P
[11:35] <acheronuk> and many KG as you might expect, once given some thought
[11:36] <clivejo> did you let it remove and continue with install?
[11:38] <acheronuk> no. I was just doing that very quickly
[11:38]  * clivejo wonders if he moved it to frameworks staging and tried building FW5.23 on it
[11:40] <acheronuk> https://release.debian.org/transitions/html/qtbase-abi-5-6-1.html
[11:40] <acheronuk> tick 'good' and you can see what the collisions were, and what debian have transitioned/rebuilt so far
[11:41] <acheronuk> not much or any of FW needs it?
[11:45] <clivejo> not sure, but seems most logical place to start
[11:45] <clivejo> and then build plasma 5.6.95 on top of that :)
[11:46] <clivejo> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.6.95.php
[11:48] <clivejo> you havent attempted Qt 5.7?
[11:48] <acheronuk> lol. no
[11:49] <acheronuk> maybe give it a try, but I would be very much winging it with the packaging
[11:49] <acheronuk> Just going to break a VM installing 5.6.1 :P
[11:56] <acheronuk> trying to re-install plasma-desktop and plasma-framework after qt5.6.1 upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/17589528/
[12:02] <acheronuk> so seems kdeclarative and some other would need to be redone
[12:12]  * acheronuk buys 16 GB RAM :)
[12:13] <clivejo> could do with more RAM
[12:13] <acheronuk> could do with a SSD, but maybe next month
[12:14] <clivejo> LOL lots of things I would like
[12:14] <clivejo> but cant justify spending money on it
[12:14] <acheronuk> decent graphics card would be nice as well
[12:15] <acheronuk> but deffo can't justify that!
[12:15] <clivejo> grrrr I hate stupid people
[12:18] <clivejo> I have this guy called Jullian who scammed my father out of money when he was dying of cancer.  He now thinks he’s my financial adviser and calls me about twice a week.  I have shouted at him, I have tried to explain nicely and he still calls me, nice as pie every time
[12:18] <clivejo> hes like a robot
[12:19] <acheronuk> does he also offer to fix your computer as it "has a virus"? ;) 
[12:19] <clivejo> nope
[12:20] <clivejo> its boiler room scam
[12:21] <clivejo> just got my Monday morning call from him!
[12:21] <acheronuk> yeah, sounds it. scammers working on a script are not the brightest people
[12:21] <clivejo> well lunchtime :P
[12:21] <clivejo> hes like a gold fish
[12:22] <clivejo> always asks to speak to my father
[12:23] <clivejo> the first few years it really upset me
[12:23] <clivejo> now I just let him waffle on and laugh at him
[12:24] <clivejo> if hes being tied up for 30mins "talking" to me, at least hes not conning others out of money!
[12:24] <acheronuk> sadly these scammers are a fact of life now. think the stat the other day was if your landline (if you have one) rings, it more likely to be a scammer than noy
[12:24] <acheronuk> *not
[12:24] <clivejo> very true
[12:24] <acheronuk> winding up the microsoft ones can be entertaining
[12:25] <clivejo> Id completely block withheld numbers but some of my family withhold their numbers
[12:26] <acheronuk> half the time they spoof a CLID
[12:26] <clivejo> yeah
[12:26] <clivejo> I reckon BT could block those at network level
[12:27] <acheronuk> yes. appalling that they can still technically still do that. 
[12:27] <clivejo> but too busy robbing customers and providing sorry excuses for broadband
[12:28] <acheronuk> yes, no fibre here yet. adsl is OK, but slooooow upload
[12:29] <clivejo> even their fibre is a lie!
[12:30] <clivejo> its fibre to cabinet and that fibre is heavily contended 
[12:30] <acheronuk> suppose that is what you get when you are forcing a company to roll out when they're not really ready
[12:31] <clivejo> BT will never be ready
[12:33] <clivejo> and Offcom are like a very annoying chihuahua, who bark and yap a lot, but confront them and they pee themselves!
[12:34] <acheronuk> its all quite pathetic in 2016, considering the reliance on being connected now
[12:35]  * clivejo nods
[12:36] <acheronuk> OK. any suggestions on what would be most helpful to do/work on in next few days?
[12:36] <clivejo> Im not sure
[12:36] <acheronuk> dojo is a week on thurs
[12:37] <acheronuk> KCI is still on holiday?
[12:37] <clivejo> yeah
[12:38] <clivejo> need to fix that LP is not available thing
[12:39] <acheronuk> yofel: any input on what may be most useful for me to do or learn at the moment?
[12:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: as in retrying on error?
[12:40] <clivejo> yeah
[12:40] <clivejo> its failing packages that are building fine
[12:40] <clivejo> but once they fail they have to be manually retried
[12:40]  * acheronuk gazes at the mystery of the KCI code
[12:44] <acheronuk> nope. not sure I know where to start on that
[12:51] <clivejo> me neither
[13:17] <BluesKaj> kubuntu yakkety daily image install fails after the partitioning phase, ubiquity gives an error message, Confirmed by 2 images from today's daily burned on 2 different pcs
[13:22] <BluesKaj> both images are the 64bit iso
[13:24] <acheronuk> What's the error?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> installation failed, flolowed by some long explanation that ididn't bother reading , it happened 4 times at exactly the same point in the install, when the partitioning settings were finished and the formatting was about to begin
[13:31] <BluesKaj> i was reinstalling due to the nvidia update script problem which is blocking related apps/dependencies fropm being upgraded or installed 
[13:38] <BluesKaj> bbl
[13:49] <acheronuk>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/
[13:54] <acheronuk> so https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-June/010477.html
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ok thanks acheronuk 
[13:59] <acheronuk> LP: #1593258
[14:04] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4 "Stop building and installing the WebKit module (closes: #784513)"
[14:04] <acheronuk> Published on 2016-06-10
[14:24] <acheronuk> yofel clivejo: who can fix that?
[15:11] <yofel> jimarvan: we already have a steam group from a long time ago http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntucontributors
[15:12] <yofel> acheronuk: either we a) decide to support webkit ourselves (rather crazy idea), or we b) port  ubiquity to qt5 (which is a lot of work)
[15:15] <acheronuk> who has the time and ability for (b)? kubuntu developers with time/inclination seem very scarce 
[15:16] <yofel> dunno really. You would need to know PyQt5 for that. Ovidiu at least knows Qt, but not sure if he has time
[15:20] <acheronuk> neon still using ubiquity I presume. staying with a xenial base, they won't have to seriously address the problem for some time 
[15:23] <soee> wat about kalamares ?
[15:23] <soee> *C
[15:23] <soee> https://calamares.io
[15:24] <soee> yofel: Tanglu uses it so you should know it a bit no ? :D
[15:24]  * clivejo giggles
[15:25]  * soee juggles
[15:26] <soee> btw. Neos with 5.7 works pretty cool in VB
[15:26] <soee> i like it ships by default VLC and Yakuake :)
[15:26] <soee> *Neon
[15:27] <acheronuk> at the moment I'm sorely tempted to add neon sources to this xenial install
[15:27] <clivejo> did Neon not port ubiquity?
[15:28] <soee> i doubt, Riddell ^
[15:28] <Riddell> nope, still qt 4
[15:28] <soee> Riddell: and what are the pans for the future ?
[15:28] <acheronuk> they have their own slideshow I think, and that is it?
[15:28] <soee> port it or witch ?
[15:28] <soee> *switch
[15:29]  * acheronuk too slow typing
[15:36] <yofel> calamares does the job. But we would loose any ubuntu integration and co-developed features we have by sharing the installer source. 
[15:40] <acheronuk> this is annoying, as only just got the daily isos installing again after the last bug! now this.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> my pants are too loose , if i don't tighten my belt I'll lose them
[15:43] <BluesKaj> just a hint for those about loose and lose
[15:46] <ScottK> yofel: In Debian we're in the latter stages of getting rid of QtWebKit for Qt4 and that includes dropping support from PyQt4.  Someone really ought to port Ubiquity to Qt5 (meaning PyQt5).
[15:48] <soee> Ubuntu uses it as installer to?
[15:48] <soee> they do not plan to port ?
[15:49] <yofel> soee: they don't use the Qt UI
[15:49] <soee> so it all is about GUI ?
[15:52] <acheronuk> presumably mostly the kde parts here? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/ubiquity/frontend/
[15:53] <soee> uhm, isn't there GSOC now ?
[15:53] <soee> maybe some student could handle it ?
[15:58] <acheronuk> how crucial is QtWebKit for the installer? not 100% sure, but thinks it only crashes when you get towards the slideshow during copy/install?
[15:59] <acheronuk> I was able to partition, add user, do timezone/keyboard before it did
[16:01] <acheronuk> doh! yes. it is there. stupidly obvious http://paste.ubuntu.com/17593072/
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I got as far as setting up the partiton mountpoints, just before formatting altho i think / was partly formatted because ebrn tho it's still listed in upgate-grub , it' nolonger in the bootloader
[16:02] <soee> acheronuk: what this QtWebKit does exactly there ?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> ebrn=even
[16:02] <soee> Qt WebKit is a web content rendering engine ..
[16:02] <soee> why it is needed in installer ?
[16:03] <acheronuk> soee: that error suggests to me it runs the slidehow.
[16:03] <soee> lets throw away slideshow, use static image
[16:03] <acheronuk> in the qt version
[16:03] <soee> = throw away qtwebkit ?
[16:03] <acheronuk> I for one don't give two hoots about a slideshow
[16:03] <soee> Neon uses single image to
[16:04] <soee> lets make stuff simpler and better not fancier and buggier
[16:09] <BluesKaj> soee:  agreed,  but then we'll get the visually eye-candy oriented types complaining about the "look" 
[16:10] <acheronuk> soee: or at least working in the short term
[16:11] <soee> but lets face it, how long will they look at it ? once every 3-5 years when they install it ? :)
[16:12] <soee> i can make a poll on G+ and ask users what they think :)
[16:12] <jimarvan> see ya later! :)
[16:12] <soee> hi by  jimarvan
 Jumping in on calamares and ubiquity..
 I think we could really benefit from improving this.
 It should incorporate info about getting involved in the community, and where to find stuff
 Linux Mint use this strategy to good effect
[16:17] <clivejo> remember we are a do-ocracy
[16:17] <clivejo> if you think it needs improving, do something about it!
 Yep, I don't mind having a crack at doing it
[16:18] <acheronuk> port to pyqt5 or do the slides?
 I'd like to see something that covers both the install process, but also a post login promo box
 like mint
 Perhaps calamares does that
 dunno, not my field
 I can't do design though
 I'll make a it a balls up
 But I am sure KDE VDG would help
 I'll stick it on a card in Trello for now so we don't loose sight of it
[16:22] <clivejo> https://github.com/linuxmint/ubiquity
[16:23] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be any work on that
 Nice find
[16:26] <acheronuk> unless they do something they will hit the same problem on their kde front end though? assuming they eventually take the python-qt4 package from ubuntu repos
[16:27] <clivejo> sideshow looks easy enough - http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/neon/ubiquity-slideshow.git/tree/
[16:28] <acheronuk> 1 slide!
[16:28] <soee> :D
[16:30] <clivejo> if Mint is based on Debian and Ubuntu, havent they run into the same issues?
 This shows promise
 Calamares is mostly written in C++11, with Qt 5 as general purpose library and UI toolkit.
[16:30] <acheronuk> clivejo: they will not be basing on yakkety yet
[16:31] <clivejo> oh this is Yakkety only issue right now?
[16:32] <acheronuk> think so?
[16:32] <clivejo> no idea
[16:32] <clivejo> never installed Yakkety
[16:34] <acheronuk> have only done in a VM here
[16:34] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.11.4+dfsg-2
[16:36] <acheronuk> ScottK said "this was sync'ed into Xenial" in his email, but I only see in yakkety, so presumably he meant that
[16:46] <ScottK> I did
[16:57] <soee> ok we will maybe get some feedback from users soon: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd
[17:03] <ScottK> soee: slide show is mostly for new users.  I doubt they'll be well represented in your sample.
[17:05] <soee> ScottK: true, but anyway lets wait for some more votes and see what those users think :)
[17:05] <BluesKaj> soee: for?
[17:06] <soee> BluesKaj: ?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> missed the vote thing , just got back
[17:06] <marco-parillo> The problem is that there is no trade-off. If a devel picks up this task, does another task not get picked up?
[17:06] <soee> BluesKaj: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/9Hef1REh2bd
[17:08] <BluesKaj> i don't care as long everything works
[17:09] <soee> :)
[17:10] <BluesKaj> breeze isn't my style , but i can live with it if need be
[17:10] <soee> i like it tbh. (the icons) :)
[17:12]  * clivejo wants chocolate chip KDE
[17:12] <BluesKaj> I like breeze dark desktop theme, but I still prefer the old oxygen icons
[17:14] <soee> https://youtu.be/YY_Lida4wY4?t=18m37s
[17:20] <BluesKaj> http://imgur.com/lVEIg9J like this
[17:21] <soee> not to big icons on task bar ?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> it's OK , I'm 3M from the screen, they don't botherme
[17:22] <soee> ah :)
[17:23] <BluesKaj> it's my TV
[17:24] <BluesKaj> use a wireless KB and mouse from my easychair
[19:58] <BluesKaj> which kde/plasma package contains krunner/run command?. i just installed ubuntu-server into / then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops, but some packages like kruner are MIA
[20:03] <clivejo> BluesKaj: plasma-workspace should pull it in
[20:05] <BluesKaj> clivejo, just tried that, already the newest version
[20:05] <ScottK> Do you have recommends enabled?
[20:09] <clivejo> BluesKaj: what distro?
[20:09] <clivejo> if its yakkety, half of plasma is stuck in proposed
[20:11] <BluesKaj> hmm, i hear proposed is dangerous at times, do you have it?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> clivejo,^
[20:14] <ScottK> For the development release, you should never run proposed.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> right ScottK, I'm missing the krunner after the fiasco trying to upgrade yakkety nvidia drivers, left me trying to install the daily which crashes ubiquity , so I install ubuntu server then installed kubuntu and plasma desktops. I mostly works but I miss the run command/krunner
[20:19] <acheronuk> In VM the other day, I enabled proposed, grabbed plasma etc, then disabled again.
[20:21] <clivejo> all I know is that plasma is stuck in proposed and breaks the system
[20:21] <ScottK> You need to figure out why it's stuck.
[20:21] <clivejo> you either have to install the packages via proposed or staging
[20:22] <acheronuk> ScottK: It breaks the language packs for one reason I think.
[20:24] <clivejo> BluesKaj: if its yakkety, enable plasma-staging PPA
[20:26] <clivejo> I think scarlett also mentioned something about new packages needing to be reviewed or something
[20:27] <clivejo> Im running plasma 5.6.5 on yakkety currently
[20:27] <clivejo> with FW 5.23
[20:30] <clivejo> apps Ive hit a road block with korganizer and minuet
[20:31] <clivejo> and no reply to my KDE bug for korganizer which is almost a month old now :(
[20:32] <BluesKaj> running plasma 5.5.5 atm. I suppose i should enable the stagig ppa
[20:32] <BluesKaj> staging even
[20:33] <clivejo> only enable while upgrading, then disable it again
[20:33] <BluesKaj> ok ,installing 5.6.5
[20:33] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:34] <BluesKaj> aamof I'm going to leave the default open source nvidia driver for the time being until the nvidia proprietaries are sorted out
[20:35] <BluesKaj> ok rebooting
[20:38] <BluesKaj> ok good, krunner is back in service
[20:38] <clivejo> :)
[20:41] <BluesKaj> ok , ppas are disabled, gonna call it a day...see you tomorrow, take care ;-)
[20:49] <soee> hiho :)
[20:50] <soee> ok i have now Neon on my laptop and Kubuntu on PC :)
[20:50] <acheronuk> did you upgrade a xenial?
[20:50] <acheronuk> I'm tempted
[20:50] <soee> nope, i had some strange problems with breeze theme, so i decided to do fresh install
[20:51] <soee> im on Devstable edition
[20:51] <soee> so smooth :)
[20:51] <acheronuk> may do that with my main machine. 
[20:52] <ahoneybun> oh godnes
[20:52] <ahoneybun> found a site with amazing game wallpapers
[20:52] <soee> mind sharing ?
[20:52] <acheronuk> OK. kubuntu is great, but at the moment everything is a bit roadblocked
[20:52] <ahoneybun> http://www.thevideogamegallery.com/
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I'm talking this site high size wallpapers are 10mbs each or so
[20:54] <soee> ;o
[20:57] <ahoneybun> soee: https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/27726723391/in/dateposted-public/
[20:57] <ahoneybun> ;)
[20:57] <soee> ;D
[21:02] <ahoneybun> looks so awesome to me
[21:02] <ahoneybun> my next to games
[21:02] <ahoneybun> two big
[21:03] <ahoneybun> soee: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/kubuntu-podcast
[21:05] <soee> why not ust kubuntu group ?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> people own that group
[21:08] <ahoneybun> m
[21:25] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=kde-neon-rock&num=1
[21:39] <acheronuk> soee: yes, going to pay to run that on something
[21:41] <soee> ?
[21:53] <clivejo> acheronuk: is it possible to backport Qt 5.6.1?
[21:54] <acheronuk> to xenial?
[21:54] <clivejo> yup
[21:54] <acheronuk> I'm sure it's 'possible'
[21:55] <clivejo> mind trying?
[21:55] <acheronuk> can have a go
[21:55] <acheronuk> for plasma 5.7?
[21:56] <clivejo> that would be the end goal :P
[21:57] <acheronuk> I thought people were a bit dubious about providing qt 5.6 backports for xenial as it would disrupt the main archive packages too much 
[21:58] <clivejo> maybe
[21:58] <acheronuk> can have a go anyway.
[22:02] <acheronuk> Ok. I'll give it a go in the next few days :)