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pittiGood morning06:14
tjaaltonbregma: hi, evemu upstream poked me about updating it to 2.2, can you do that in debian and sync? assigned the lp bug to you06:16
andyrockmorning all06:20
seb128good morning desktopers06:49
pittibonjour seb128, ça va ?06:51
seb128lut pitti ! ça va bien, j'ai passé un bon w.e ... et toi, c'était bien Athène ? t'es rentré quand ?06:52
pittiseb128: oui, c'était très bien, smb et moi avons visité l'Akropolis samedi06:53
pittimais c'était aussi très chaud (~ 40 degrèes !)06:53
pittiJ'ai eu un vol tard, j'ai rentré 23:00h06:54
pittij'aime bien la nourriture grecque ! beaucoup de tomates, féta et ouzo :-)06:55
didrocksbonjour pitti & andyrock :)06:56
pittiLaney: just pushed an autopkgtest update to consider dist-upgrade failures as not tempfail any more, to put an end to the snap-confine packaging error killing spree06:57
seb128pitti, 40°C, c'est l'été en Grèce !06:57
seb128ici il pleut ...06:57
pittijuin et septembre sont les plus chauds mois de l'année, parce qu'il n'y a pas de vent06:58
pittinormallement juillet et août sont mieux06:59
seb128ah ok07:00
mptdesrt, who is that Will? I’d like to talk with someone about different positioning of radio/context vs. dropdown menus :-)07:18
willcookeo/07:53
alexarnaudHey willcooke didrocks seb128 and all !07:57
seb128hey willcooke, alexarnaud, "sleep 30; Laney"08:02
didrockshey alexarnaud08:02
didrocksmorning willcooke08:02
LaneyHAX08:03
seb128:-)08:03
seb128how is the small island today?08:03
seb128had a good w.e?08:03
pittibonjour didrocks, willcooke, et Laney !08:03
pittididrocks: désolé, je n'ai pas te vu !08:04
Laneyhey08:04
Laneyit's really rainy yet again08:04
alexarnauddidrocks: how are  you?08:04
seb128:-/08:04
Laneywent to see the family at the weekend, that was nice08:04
seb128quite rainy here today as well08:04
willcooke1st day of summer today, so I read08:04
Laneyi got my dad a wheelbarrow for his birthday and/or fathers day08:04
Laney#dadpresents08:05
Laneyand henry loved being taken for rides in it08:05
willcooke:)08:05
Laneyhe'd point at someone08:05
Laneyand go YOU08:05
LaneyBROOM BROOM08:05
Laneywhich meant you had to take him out in it08:05
seb128no pictures this time?08:05
seb128we go the italians nagging us with pizza instead!08:05
Laneythere's a video08:05
Laneylemme send it08:05
seb128Trevinho, your pizzas look good btw, need to cook for the team next time :-)08:05
Laneyhow's it going willcooke & seb128 & pitti & didrocks & alexarnaud?08:06
pittiLaney: back from Athens! we saw the Acropolis on Saturday, which was impressive08:07
pitti(guided tour, with lots of stories)08:07
Laneyah nice08:07
Laneyi'm jealous of your trip there08:07
pittibut around midday it was about 40 degrees, so we stopped the tourism and hung out in a nice tavern08:07
Laney40!08:08
didrocksgood morning Laney! :)08:09
didrockspitti: pas de problème, j'étais en mode incognito ;)08:09
* pitti wonders who that shady person in the dark corner is08:10
didrocks;)08:10
didrocksstaring at *you*08:10
pitti*shudder*08:11
TrevinhoMorning08:16
Trevinhoseb128: eheh, you and the whole team is invited... We can do a sprint in the Tuscany countryside. :-D08:17
Laneysummer sprint08:20
seb128Trevinho, hey!08:21
seb128that's tempting :-)08:21
Trevinho:-)08:22
TrevinhoYeah, no fancy hotel... But who needs that? We have better life08:30
Sweet5harkmoin08:36
seb128hey Sweet5hark08:36
seb128had a good w.e?08:36
Sweet5harkseb128: yes, was barbequeing all weekend at my brothers place because of his birthday. ;)08:37
seb128nice08:37
Sweet5harkseb128: how was yours?08:37
seb128quite nice08:37
seb128I played tennis on friday evening08:38
seb128we did a bike trip on saturday and got rained over...08:38
seb128and mostly relaxed yesterday08:38
seb128and enjoyed a sunny sunday08:38
seb128today is back to rainy :-/08:39
Laneysummer solstice08:42
Laneytoday we start the journey back towards winter08:42
Laney;-)08:42
pittiwe weren't even halfway there!08:42
seb128Laney, tomorrow!08:47
seb128in fact today for you and tomorrow for us :p08:47
Laneyheh08:58
Odd_BlokeHello all! I've just filed a bug about an audio issue I'm having (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1594296) and was wondering if anyone would be able to triage it to determine if there's any more info I could provide to help sort it out. :)09:24
ubot5Launchpad bug 1594296 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[USB-Audio - USB Sound Device, playback] Occasional audio playback blips from Sweex 7.1 external USB card" [Undecided,New]09:24
seb128Odd_Bloke, TheMuso might be able to help you but he's .au based and might have valled it a day already09:26
Odd_Blokeseb128: OK, thanks. :)09:30
seb128Odd_Bloke, yw, you could also try to open a bug directly upstream on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PulseAudio09:34
seb128though unsure if that's rather a pulseaudio or kernel bug09:34
willcookeOdd_Bloke, I see (hear) a similar issue, but only in Chrome/Chromium - so I'd put it down to a problem there09:52
willcookee.g. Rhythmbox never does it09:52
Odd_Blokewillcooke: Oh, interesting.09:57
willcookeOdd_Bloke, I'll do some more playing here and see if I can get Rb to do the same thing under load09:57
Odd_BlokeYeah, I'll try using an alternative media player.09:58
Laneyoh man11:14
LaneyDebconf week is also Nottingham Craft Beer week :(11:14
Odd_BlokeOK, I'm not seeing audio issues with other players.11:28
Odd_BlokeUh... "seeing". ¬.¬11:28
seb128Laney, :-(11:42
willcookeOdd_Bloke, ah, oki - so yeah, it does seem to be something between Cr. and Alsa.  I'll see if qengho can take a poke around in there and TheMuso can offer some insights too.  Once we've got the snappy bits tied up11:50
qenghoHmm.11:51
qenghoWow, apparently tar parameter order changed meanings in Y. That took forever to discover. :(12:06
qenghoIf you have  "tar cf x.tar dir --exclude=foo", it doesn't do what you expect any more.12:07
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Odd_Blokewillcooke: Thanks! :)12:26
pittihmm, I wanted to search whether glib can do globbing, but https://www.google.de/search?q=glib+glob isn't very helpful :)13:08
seb128lol13:09
ogra_you could connect to it on facebook though :)13:10
didrocksheh13:10
didrockshttps://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-Glob-style-pattern-matching.html13:10
didrockspitti: ^13:10
pittididrocks: yeah, already found that; I just found the other results funny :)13:10
didrocksit was just in case you were still watching videos ;)13:10
pittiactually I think the normal glibc glob(3) is what I want13:11
didrockswaow, I had no idea glibc had this13:11
pittihttps://www.google.de/search?q=glibc+glob isn't nearly as funny though13:12
* Sweet5hark mumbles http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/regex/ 13:13
didrocksindeed :)13:14
didrocksSweet5hark: you and your C++! :)13:14
* pitti mutters something about C++ and "don't like"13:14
pittiGLOB_APPEND!13:14
pittithat's great, so I first glob for /etc/network/config and then /etc/network/config.d* and I exactly get what I need13:15
desrtgood morning, ubuntus13:15
Sweet5harkdidrocks, pitti: I was quite quite amazed that for the C++11 standard they apparently just gave up and said "uhm, the standard is so fat, whatevs at this point, lets just dump a whole regexp engine in there ..."13:16
seb128hey desrt13:17
didrocksSweet5hark: haha, excellent!13:17
didrockshey desrt13:18
* desrt resumes a somewhat normal existence after a very awesome hackfest week13:19
Laneyahoy desrt13:22
Laneygood weekend?13:22
willcookeNoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo13:30
willcookeI'm not going to be here to vote for Bremain13:30
seb128is it easy to mandate somebody to vote for you?13:31
willcookejust phoning them now13:31
seb128if Britain exits it's going to your fault13:32
seb128+be13:32
willcooke:(((13:32
desrtwe have an important vote here today, too13:32
* desrt needs to make her voice heard13:33
seb128desrt, what are you still doing on the computer? go and vote!13:33
seb128don't be like willcooke :p13:33
desrt(by-election for trustee for the toronto district school board for ward 14.  critical vote, this one.)13:33
* seb128 stops trolling willcooke13:34
seb128it's not friday yet13:34
desrt:D13:34
desrtwhat ever happened to learn-something fridays?13:34
desrtbtw: last week i learnt about a wonderful library called pyparsing.  it is The Shit™13:34
seb128it fall over when larsu left13:34
seb128see13:34
desrt:(13:34
seb128larsu was around you and you had it!13:35
desrtwhile technically true, the actual cause was alex13:35
* larsu still doesn't like the format you came up with, regardless of awesomeness of the library :P13:36
larsuhey eveyone :)13:36
seb128hey larsu!13:36
larsu'sup?13:37
seb128how are you? back in Germany?13:37
seb128had fun at the hackfest?13:37
larsuyes and yes, very much13:37
larsuwas good to see everyone again - especially desrt in her "new" apartment13:37
seb128did you go to Khao San Road? ;-)13:37
desrt:)13:38
larsunope, but salad king13:38
desrtkhao san road is a total no-go for large groups13:38
larsuyeah...13:38
seb128right13:38
desrtwe did salad king, keg, made in china, mill street brew pub in the distillery district, banh mi boys, cora, loblaws13:39
desrt*keg mansion13:39
larsuand bulk barn!!!13:39
desrtlol13:39
desrtseb128: we spent some time thinking about you as well.  you should come back some time :)13:40
desrti have a very nice guestroom that two can comfortably stay in13:40
* larsu can very much confirm that13:41
seb128:-)13:41
Laneywillcooke: proxy deadline was 15th13:48
Laneythere's some emergency provision though13:48
Laneywhich you can use up to the day itself13:48
Laneyhttps://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/177407/FORMS-Emergency-occupation-Proxy-MAY16.pdf13:49
willcookeLaney, filling a form in right now :) thank13:50
willcookes13:50
Laney5 days before the election though13:51
Laneythat's one last minute sprint13:51
Laney:)13:51
Laney6 days*13:51
ogra_6 ?13:53
ogra_i thought it is on thu13:53
Laney??????????13:54
Laneyoh13:54
Laneyto apply for this emergency proxy vote you have to have found out that you'll be required to be away for work 6 working days or less before the vote13:55
Laneyotherwise you should have known and applied normally, I guess13:55
desrtso we're all voting "Leave", right?14:05
* desrt heard something about Making Britain Great Again14:05
pitti"leave it as it is", yeah :)14:05
desrt(nothing says "Great" Britain quite like a vote to set into motion an independent Scotland and an early Irish reunification...)14:06
Laneyin the past week I've noticed more remain posters appearing in the area14:07
desrt:)14:07
willcooke\o/14:07
Laneyalso remain was always ahead at the bookmakers14:07
desrtcould be observation bias :)14:07
Laneythose guys know better than pollsters14:07
desrtya... bookmakers are awesome14:07
Laneythere's 1 leave poster on the street that's been there all the time14:07
Laneyno new ones14:08
Laneycould be shy leavers though14:08
Laneynobody wants to get their windows bricked in14:08
Laney:P14:08
* desrt is not in favour of the use of bricks (or the implicit threat thereof) being part of a political campaign, regardless of which side is involved14:12
chrisccoulsonLaney, lucky you - I've not seen a single remain poster around here :/14:15
seb128hey chrisccoulson! how are you?14:16
chrisccoulsonhi seb128. I'm not too bad thanks. How about you?14:16
seb128I'm good thanks!14:16
seb128chrisccoulson, had fun in Greece?14:16
chrisccoulsonseb128, it was ok. If you ignore the cigarette smoke and mosquitoes everywhere ;)14:17
seb128:-/14:17
seb128chrisccoulson, did you visit a bit?14:18
seb128or did you fly back at the end of the work week?14:18
chrisccoulsonseb128, I didn't - I arrived on sunday evening and left again on saturday morning14:19
pittichrisccoulson: I actually smelled more weed than cigarettes :)14:19
chrisccoulsonpitti, heh, I noticed that a few times14:19
desrtmpt: meet attente14:24
mptO_o14:24
desrt(in response to your earlier question)14:24
desrthe's off today, though14:24
mptSo that’s what attente looks like in real life14:25
desrtpretty much, ya14:25
ywhello all, I am new and was playing with 16.04/unity for last several days, as a result when I use super key, my mouse clicks in the dash don't work, wondering if there is a simple solution to this problem?14:58
seb128yw, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions, but I don't think that's a known issue15:00
ywseb128 - thx I posted there as well, nut thought that 'desktop' chat maybe a better bet15:01
seb128yw, what are you doing exactly? you press super once to open the dash and then use the mouse to go and left click and it doesn't work?15:02
ywseb128 - exactly15:03
seb128does it work to click on indicators or other desktop components?15:03
seb128or on the launcher15:03
ywyes it seems like it even clicks under the dash area, but not on the items in the dash15:04
seb128and it works if you open the dash by clicking on the launcher icon?15:04
ywyes only won't work on items in the dash search area or on filters15:05
seb128weird15:06
seb128it does it every time?15:06
ywyup15:06
seb128Trevinho, andyrock, hikiko, ^ did you see such reports before?15:07
TrevinhoLet me check15:08
Trevinhoyw: Mh... Never saw that...15:09
Trevinhoyw: is the launcher getting events when dash open?15:10
ywTrevinho: i can type and items get found and I can tab and select/run with enter, but not with mouse15:11
Trevinhoyw: both for dash and launcher..15:13
ywonly for the dash15:13
seb128pitti, I think we discussed that once, but what job is supposed to clean the journal if you are low on disk?15:25
pittiseb128: journald itself usually15:26
seb128I was under 1G for a week and hit a few times ENOSPACE on builds15:26
seb128and15:26
seb128$ du -lsh /var/log/journal/15:26
seb1282,3G/var/log/journal/15:26
pittiI don't see an existing bug for this; mind filing one?15:27
seb128yeah15:29
seb128interesting15:29
seb128$ journalctl -u systemd-journald.service15:29
seb128juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Runtime journal (/run/log/journal/) is 4.8M, max 39.0M, 34.1M free.15:29
seb128juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Journal started15:29
seb128juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: System journal (/var/log/journal/) is 2.2G, max 2.2G, 0B free.15:29
seb128juin 20 08:20:46 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Time spent on flushing to /var is 822.429ms for 895 entries.15:29
seb128that used to be more verbose according the log15:30
seb128pitti, want the bug on fdo or launchpad?15:32
pittiseb128: there's no fdo any more, it's https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues15:32
pittiseb128: but I think LP for now, I'll investigate this first15:33
seb128k15:33
pittimaybe we are doing something stupid somewhere15:33
ricotzwtf15:34
ricotzhey desktopers, nice find15:34
ricotz4,2G/var/log/journal/15:34
seb128ricotz, hey15:35
seb128ricotz, it's supposed to adapt the free space, are you low on disk?15:35
ricotznot at all, still seems quite large15:36
ricotz /dev/sda1       211G     46G  156G   23% /15:36
seb128yeah, that might be wanted though (not saying it shouldn't be changed)15:36
seb128but in my case I'm hitting ENOSPACE and it's supposed to lower its use in that case15:36
pittithe size alone #SystemMaxUse=15:36
ricotzI recently replaced it and it was 120G formerly15:36
pitti#SystemKeepFree=15:36
seb128which seems to not happen here15:36
pittihm, these don't appear to have default values any more15:36
pittiseb128: can you try setting SystemKeepFree=10% in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and restart systemd-journald (or reboot), and see if that helps?15:37
pittiactually, 15% is the supposed default according to the manpage15:38
ricotzwhat is the default for SystemMaxUse= ?15:38
pitti10%15:39
pittiand whichever is the smaller one should win15:39
ricotzI see15:39
seb128pitti, that doesn't work15:46
seb128 /dev/sda1                71G     64G  3,0G  96% /15:46
seb128juin 20 17:46:19 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[16287]: System journal (/var/log/journal/) is 2.2G, max 2.6G, 420.5M free.15:46
seb128ah15:52
seb128pitti, https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/journald.conf.html15:52
seb128"This means that if there was enough free space before and journal files were created, and subsequently something else causes the file system to fill up, journald will stop using more space, but it will not be removing existing files to reduce the footprint again, either."15:52
pittiyeah, I saw that in the manpage, but if you restart journald that should be re-computed?15:52
seb128pitti, so it just doesn't use more but doesn't clean/purge15:52
seb128well15:53
pittioh, hmm15:53
seb128my understand of reading that is that it doesn't clean up old datas15:53
pittibut that's fairly bd15:53
seb128so if you have 2G logs and hit low space it doesn't use more than the 2G15:53
pittibad15:53
seb128but doesn't go down to less15:54
seb128right15:54
pittile gratin est prêt -- c'est l'heure pour le dîner !16:00
seb128pitti, bon appétit !16:01
pittistill nice and warm outside, so dinner in the garden :)16:01
seb128lucky you16:01
seb128strong rainy day here16:01
seb128it's almost nonstop since this morning16:01
seb128cold as well, had to put a sweater16:02
pittiwe'll have that tomorrow again16:03
pittibut looks like Wed to Fri is going to be really nice16:03
pittiwe were going to watch the game outside tomorrow evening (public viewing at a street food festival), I hope that'll work16:03
Trevinho27° here...16:04
seb128Trevinho, Mr I've the good pizza, the sea and the nice weather!16:06
Trevinhoseb128: fly here, you won't regret it16:07
seb128I should consider it16:07
seb128not this week though, already have a trip to Boston16:08
TrevinhoAt least for few days during the summer16:08
seb128yeah16:08
Laneynight!17:16
willcookecya Laney17:16
seb128night Laney17:16
seb128night19:40
robert_ancellwillcooke, sorry... I forgot again21:07
willcookehey robert_ancell21:07
willcookenw, I was deep in Snappy anyway21:07
qenghoGood morning!21:26
willcookehey qengho21:41
willcookenight all21:42
TheMusoOdd_Bloke, willcooke, I'll bet chrome doesn't use pulse directly, and uses alsa in a way that is incompatible with the alsa pulse plugin. :)22:15
TheMusoMind you, firefox is the same, although I think firefox uses alsa properly...22:16
TheMusoIts disappointing that these browsers still do not use pulseaudio natively after all this time.22:16
qenghoTheMuso: I do'nt understand this yet, but GOOG Chrome and chromium bith use pulse directly.22:34
qengho$ pacmd list-clients |grep -i \\.name.*chrom22:35
qenghoapplication.name = "Chrome input"22:35
qenghoapplication.name = "Chromium"22:35
qenghoapplication.name = "Chrome input"22:35
qenghoapplication.name = "Chrome"22:35
TheMusoqengho: Interesting. Why do I not see a libpulse dependency for chromium-browser?23:26
TheMusoDoes chrome itself depend on libpulse?23:26
qenghoHmm, static link, perhaps.23:28
TheMusoIn which case thats disgusting.23:28
TheMusoBut yeah probably.23:28
TheMusoI never think of that due to most stuff being built against system libs.23:28
qenghoTheMuso: Hmm, I'm looking at it, and it looks like it should bot sstatically link. I'll investigate more.23:42

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