[06:14] <pitti> Good morning
[06:16] <tjaalton> bregma: hi, evemu upstream poked me about updating it to 2.2, can you do that in debian and sync? assigned the lp bug to you
[06:20] <andyrock> morning all
[06:49] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:51] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[06:52] <seb128> lut pitti ! ça va bien, j'ai passé un bon w.e ... et toi, c'était bien Athène ? t'es rentré quand ?
[06:53] <pitti> seb128: oui, c'était très bien, smb et moi avons visité l'Akropolis samedi
[06:53] <pitti> mais c'était aussi très chaud (~ 40 degrèes !)
[06:54] <pitti> J'ai eu un vol tard, j'ai rentré 23:00h
[06:55] <pitti> j'aime bien la nourriture grecque ! beaucoup de tomates, féta et ouzo :-)
[06:56] <didrocks> bonjour pitti & andyrock :)
[06:57] <pitti> Laney: just pushed an autopkgtest update to consider dist-upgrade failures as not tempfail any more, to put an end to the snap-confine packaging error killing spree
[06:57] <seb128> pitti, 40°C, c'est l'été en Grèce !
[06:57] <seb128> ici il pleut ...
[06:58] <pitti> juin et septembre sont les plus chauds mois de l'année, parce qu'il n'y a pas de vent
[06:59] <pitti> normallement juillet et août sont mieux
[07:00] <seb128> ah ok
[07:18] <mpt> desrt, who is that Will? I’d like to talk with someone about different positioning of radio/context vs. dropdown menus :-)
[07:53] <willcooke> o/
[07:57] <alexarnaud> Hey willcooke didrocks seb128 and all !
[08:02] <seb128> hey willcooke, alexarnaud, "sleep 30; Laney"
[08:02] <didrocks> hey alexarnaud
[08:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> HAX
[08:03] <seb128> :-)
[08:03] <seb128> how is the small island today?
[08:03] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:03] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, willcooke, et Laney !
[08:04] <pitti> didrocks: désolé, je n'ai pas te vu !
[08:04] <Laney> hey
[08:04] <Laney> it's really rainy yet again
[08:04] <alexarnaud> didrocks: how are  you?
[08:04] <seb128> :-/
[08:04] <Laney> went to see the family at the weekend, that was nice
[08:04] <seb128> quite rainy here today as well
[08:04] <willcooke> 1st day of summer today, so I read
[08:04] <Laney> i got my dad a wheelbarrow for his birthday and/or fathers day
[08:05] <Laney> #dadpresents
[08:05] <Laney> and henry loved being taken for rides in it
[08:05] <willcooke> :)
[08:05] <Laney> he'd point at someone
[08:05] <Laney> and go YOU
[08:05] <Laney> BROOM BROOM
[08:05] <Laney> which meant you had to take him out in it
[08:05] <seb128> no pictures this time?
[08:05] <seb128> we go the italians nagging us with pizza instead!
[08:05] <Laney> there's a video
[08:05] <Laney> lemme send it
[08:05] <seb128> Trevinho, your pizzas look good btw, need to cook for the team next time :-)
[08:06] <Laney> how's it going willcooke & seb128 & pitti & didrocks & alexarnaud?
[08:07] <pitti> Laney: back from Athens! we saw the Acropolis on Saturday, which was impressive
[08:07] <pitti> (guided tour, with lots of stories)
[08:07] <Laney> ah nice
[08:07] <Laney> i'm jealous of your trip there
[08:07] <pitti> but around midday it was about 40 degrees, so we stopped the tourism and hung out in a nice tavern
[08:08] <Laney> 40!
[08:09] <didrocks> good morning Laney! :)
[08:09] <didrocks> pitti: pas de problème, j'étais en mode incognito ;)
[08:10]  * pitti wonders who that shady person in the dark corner is
[08:10] <didrocks> ;)
[08:10] <didrocks> staring at *you*
[08:11] <pitti> *shudder*
[08:16] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:17] <Trevinho> seb128: eheh, you and the whole team is invited... We can do a sprint in the Tuscany countryside. :-D
[08:20] <Laney> summer sprint
[08:21] <seb128> Trevinho, hey!
[08:21] <seb128> that's tempting :-)
[08:22] <Trevinho> :-)
[08:30] <Trevinho> Yeah, no fancy hotel... But who needs that? We have better life
[08:36] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:36] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[08:36] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:37] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, was barbequeing all weekend at my brothers place because of his birthday. ;)
[08:37] <seb128> nice
[08:37] <Sweet5hark> seb128: how was yours?
[08:37] <seb128> quite nice
[08:38] <seb128> I played tennis on friday evening
[08:38] <seb128> we did a bike trip on saturday and got rained over...
[08:38] <seb128> and mostly relaxed yesterday
[08:38] <seb128> and enjoyed a sunny sunday
[08:39] <seb128> today is back to rainy :-/
[08:42] <Laney> summer solstice
[08:42] <Laney> today we start the journey back towards winter
[08:42] <Laney> ;-)
[08:42] <pitti> we weren't even halfway there!
[08:47] <seb128> Laney, tomorrow!
[08:47] <seb128> in fact today for you and tomorrow for us :p
[08:58] <Laney> heh
[09:24] <Odd_Bloke> Hello all! I've just filed a bug about an audio issue I'm having (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1594296) and was wondering if anyone would be able to triage it to determine if there's any more info I could provide to help sort it out. :)
[09:26] <seb128> Odd_Bloke, TheMuso might be able to help you but he's .au based and might have valled it a day already
[09:30] <Odd_Bloke> seb128: OK, thanks. :)
[09:34] <seb128> Odd_Bloke, yw, you could also try to open a bug directly upstream on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PulseAudio
[09:34] <seb128> though unsure if that's rather a pulseaudio or kernel bug
[09:52] <willcooke> Odd_Bloke, I see (hear) a similar issue, but only in Chrome/Chromium - so I'd put it down to a problem there
[09:52] <willcooke> e.g. Rhythmbox never does it
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> willcooke: Oh, interesting.
[09:57] <willcooke> Odd_Bloke, I'll do some more playing here and see if I can get Rb to do the same thing under load
[09:58] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, I'll try using an alternative media player.
[11:14] <Laney> oh man
[11:14] <Laney> Debconf week is also Nottingham Craft Beer week :(
[11:28] <Odd_Bloke> OK, I'm not seeing audio issues with other players.
[11:28] <Odd_Bloke> Uh... "seeing". ¬.¬
[11:42] <seb128> Laney, :-(
[11:50] <willcooke> Odd_Bloke, ah, oki - so yeah, it does seem to be something between Cr. and Alsa.  I'll see if qengho can take a poke around in there and TheMuso can offer some insights too.  Once we've got the snappy bits tied up
[11:51] <qengho> Hmm.
[12:06] <qengho> Wow, apparently tar parameter order changed meanings in Y. That took forever to discover. :(
[12:07] <qengho> If you have  "tar cf x.tar dir --exclude=foo", it doesn't do what you expect any more.
[12:26] <Odd_Bloke> willcooke: Thanks! :)
[13:08] <pitti> hmm, I wanted to search whether glib can do globbing, but https://www.google.de/search?q=glib+glob isn't very helpful :)
[13:09] <seb128> lol
[13:10] <ogra_> you could connect to it on facebook though :)
[13:10] <didrocks> heh
[13:10] <didrocks> https://developer.gnome.org/glib/stable/glib-Glob-style-pattern-matching.html
[13:10] <didrocks> pitti: ^
[13:10] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, already found that; I just found the other results funny :)
[13:10] <didrocks> it was just in case you were still watching videos ;)
[13:11] <pitti> actually I think the normal glibc glob(3) is what I want
[13:11] <didrocks> waow, I had no idea glibc had this
[13:12] <pitti> https://www.google.de/search?q=glibc+glob isn't nearly as funny though
[13:13]  * Sweet5hark mumbles http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/regex/ 
[13:14] <didrocks> indeed :)
[13:14] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: you and your C++! :)
[13:14]  * pitti mutters something about C++ and "don't like"
[13:14] <pitti> GLOB_APPEND!
[13:15] <pitti> that's great, so I first glob for /etc/network/config and then /etc/network/config.d* and I exactly get what I need
[13:15] <desrt> good morning, ubuntus
[13:16] <Sweet5hark> didrocks, pitti: I was quite quite amazed that for the C++11 standard they apparently just gave up and said "uhm, the standard is so fat, whatevs at this point, lets just dump a whole regexp engine in there ..."
[13:17] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:17] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: haha, excellent!
[13:18] <didrocks> hey desrt
[13:19]  * desrt resumes a somewhat normal existence after a very awesome hackfest week
[13:22] <Laney> ahoy desrt
[13:22] <Laney> good weekend?
[13:30] <willcooke> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:30] <willcooke> I'm not going to be here to vote for Bremain
[13:31] <seb128> is it easy to mandate somebody to vote for you?
[13:31] <willcooke> just phoning them now
[13:32] <seb128> if Britain exits it's going to your fault
[13:32] <seb128> +be
[13:32] <willcooke> :(((
[13:32] <desrt> we have an important vote here today, too
[13:33]  * desrt needs to make her voice heard
[13:33] <seb128> desrt, what are you still doing on the computer? go and vote!
[13:33] <seb128> don't be like willcooke :p
[13:33] <desrt> (by-election for trustee for the toronto district school board for ward 14.  critical vote, this one.)
[13:34]  * seb128 stops trolling willcooke
[13:34] <seb128> it's not friday yet
[13:34] <desrt> :D
[13:34] <desrt> what ever happened to learn-something fridays?
[13:34] <desrt> btw: last week i learnt about a wonderful library called pyparsing.  it is The Shit™
[13:34] <seb128> it fall over when larsu left
[13:34] <seb128> see
[13:34] <desrt> :(
[13:35] <seb128> larsu was around you and you had it!
[13:35] <desrt> while technically true, the actual cause was alex
[13:36]  * larsu still doesn't like the format you came up with, regardless of awesomeness of the library :P
[13:36] <larsu> hey eveyone :)
[13:36] <seb128> hey larsu!
[13:37] <larsu> 'sup?
[13:37] <seb128> how are you? back in Germany?
[13:37] <seb128> had fun at the hackfest?
[13:37] <larsu> yes and yes, very much
[13:37] <larsu> was good to see everyone again - especially desrt in her "new" apartment
[13:37] <seb128> did you go to Khao San Road? ;-)
[13:38] <desrt> :)
[13:38] <larsu> nope, but salad king
[13:38] <desrt> khao san road is a total no-go for large groups
[13:38] <larsu> yeah...
[13:38] <seb128> right
[13:39] <desrt> we did salad king, keg, made in china, mill street brew pub in the distillery district, banh mi boys, cora, loblaws
[13:39] <desrt> *keg mansion
[13:39] <larsu> and bulk barn!!!
[13:39] <desrt> lol
[13:40] <desrt> seb128: we spent some time thinking about you as well.  you should come back some time :)
[13:40] <desrt> i have a very nice guestroom that two can comfortably stay in
[13:41]  * larsu can very much confirm that
[13:41] <seb128> :-)
[13:48] <Laney> willcooke: proxy deadline was 15th
[13:48] <Laney> there's some emergency provision though
[13:48] <Laney> which you can use up to the day itself
[13:49] <Laney> https://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/177407/FORMS-Emergency-occupation-Proxy-MAY16.pdf
[13:50] <willcooke> Laney, filling a form in right now :) thank
[13:50] <willcooke> s
[13:51] <Laney> 5 days before the election though
[13:51] <Laney> that's one last minute sprint
[13:51] <Laney> :)
[13:51] <Laney> 6 days*
[13:53] <ogra_> 6 ?
[13:53] <ogra_> i thought it is on thu
[13:54] <Laney> ??????????
[13:54] <Laney> oh
[13:55] <Laney> to apply for this emergency proxy vote you have to have found out that you'll be required to be away for work 6 working days or less before the vote
[13:55] <Laney> otherwise you should have known and applied normally, I guess
[14:05] <desrt> so we're all voting "Leave", right?
[14:05]  * desrt heard something about Making Britain Great Again
[14:05] <pitti> "leave it as it is", yeah :)
[14:06] <desrt> (nothing says "Great" Britain quite like a vote to set into motion an independent Scotland and an early Irish reunification...)
[14:07] <Laney> in the past week I've noticed more remain posters appearing in the area
[14:07] <desrt> :)
[14:07] <willcooke> \o/
[14:07] <Laney> also remain was always ahead at the bookmakers
[14:07] <desrt> could be observation bias :)
[14:07] <Laney> those guys know better than pollsters
[14:07] <desrt> ya... bookmakers are awesome
[14:07] <Laney> there's 1 leave poster on the street that's been there all the time
[14:08] <Laney> no new ones
[14:08] <Laney> could be shy leavers though
[14:08] <Laney> nobody wants to get their windows bricked in
[14:08] <Laney> :P
[14:12]  * desrt is not in favour of the use of bricks (or the implicit threat thereof) being part of a political campaign, regardless of which side is involved
[14:15] <chrisccoulson> Laney, lucky you - I've not seen a single remain poster around here :/
[14:16] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson! how are you?
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. I'm not too bad thanks. How about you?
[14:16] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[14:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, had fun in Greece?
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it was ok. If you ignore the cigarette smoke and mosquitoes everywhere ;)
[14:17] <seb128> :-/
[14:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you visit a bit?
[14:18] <seb128> or did you fly back at the end of the work week?
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I didn't - I arrived on sunday evening and left again on saturday morning
[14:19] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I actually smelled more weed than cigarettes :)
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> pitti, heh, I noticed that a few times
[14:24] <desrt> mpt: meet attente
[14:24] <mpt> O_o
[14:24] <desrt> (in response to your earlier question)
[14:24] <desrt> he's off today, though
[14:25] <mpt> So that’s what attente looks like in real life
[14:25] <desrt> pretty much, ya
[14:58] <yw> hello all, I am new and was playing with 16.04/unity for last several days, as a result when I use super key, my mouse clicks in the dash don't work, wondering if there is a simple solution to this problem?
[15:00] <seb128> yw, hey, try #ubuntu for user questions, but I don't think that's a known issue
[15:01] <yw> seb128 - thx I posted there as well, nut thought that 'desktop' chat maybe a better bet
[15:02] <seb128> yw, what are you doing exactly? you press super once to open the dash and then use the mouse to go and left click and it doesn't work?
[15:03] <yw> seb128 - exactly
[15:03] <seb128> does it work to click on indicators or other desktop components?
[15:03] <seb128> or on the launcher
[15:04] <yw> yes it seems like it even clicks under the dash area, but not on the items in the dash
[15:04] <seb128> and it works if you open the dash by clicking on the launcher icon?
[15:05] <yw> yes only won't work on items in the dash search area or on filters
[15:06] <seb128> weird
[15:06] <seb128> it does it every time?
[15:06] <yw> yup
[15:07] <seb128> Trevinho, andyrock, hikiko, ^ did you see such reports before?
[15:08] <Trevinho> Let me check
[15:09] <Trevinho> yw: Mh... Never saw that...
[15:10] <Trevinho> yw: is the launcher getting events when dash open?
[15:11] <yw> Trevinho: i can type and items get found and I can tab and select/run with enter, but not with mouse
[15:13] <Trevinho> yw: both for dash and launcher..
[15:13] <yw> only for the dash
[15:25] <seb128> pitti, I think we discussed that once, but what job is supposed to clean the journal if you are low on disk?
[15:26] <pitti> seb128: journald itself usually
[15:26] <seb128> I was under 1G for a week and hit a few times ENOSPACE on builds
[15:26] <seb128> and
[15:26] <seb128> $ du -lsh /var/log/journal/
[15:26] <seb128> 2,3G	/var/log/journal/
[15:27] <pitti> I don't see an existing bug for this; mind filing one?
[15:29] <seb128> yeah
[15:29] <seb128> interesting
[15:29] <seb128> $ journalctl -u systemd-journald.service
[15:29] <seb128> juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Runtime journal (/run/log/journal/) is 4.8M, max 39.0M, 34.1M free.
[15:29] <seb128> juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Journal started
[15:29] <seb128> juin 20 08:20:45 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: System journal (/var/log/journal/) is 2.2G, max 2.2G, 0B free.
[15:29] <seb128> juin 20 08:20:46 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[251]: Time spent on flushing to /var is 822.429ms for 895 entries.
[15:30] <seb128> that used to be more verbose according the log
[15:32] <seb128> pitti, want the bug on fdo or launchpad?
[15:32] <pitti> seb128: there's no fdo any more, it's https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues
[15:33] <pitti> seb128: but I think LP for now, I'll investigate this first
[15:33] <seb128> k
[15:33] <pitti> maybe we are doing something stupid somewhere
[15:34] <ricotz> wtf
[15:34] <ricotz> hey desktopers, nice find
[15:34] <ricotz> 4,2G	/var/log/journal/
[15:35] <seb128> ricotz, hey
[15:35] <seb128> ricotz, it's supposed to adapt the free space, are you low on disk?
[15:36] <ricotz> not at all, still seems quite large
[15:36] <ricotz>  /dev/sda1       211G     46G  156G   23% /
[15:36] <seb128> yeah, that might be wanted though (not saying it shouldn't be changed)
[15:36] <seb128> but in my case I'm hitting ENOSPACE and it's supposed to lower its use in that case
[15:36] <pitti> the size alone #SystemMaxUse=
[15:36] <ricotz> I recently replaced it and it was 120G formerly
[15:36] <pitti> #SystemKeepFree=
[15:36] <seb128> which seems to not happen here
[15:36] <pitti> hm, these don't appear to have default values any more
[15:37] <pitti> seb128: can you try setting SystemKeepFree=10% in /etc/systemd/journald.conf and restart systemd-journald (or reboot), and see if that helps?
[15:38] <pitti> actually, 15% is the supposed default according to the manpage
[15:38] <ricotz> what is the default for SystemMaxUse= ?
[15:39] <pitti> 10%
[15:39] <pitti> and whichever is the smaller one should win
[15:39] <ricotz> I see
[15:46] <seb128> pitti, that doesn't work
[15:46] <seb128>  /dev/sda1                71G     64G  3,0G  96% /
[15:46] <seb128> juin 20 17:46:19 seb-e6410 systemd-journald[16287]: System journal (/var/log/journal/) is 2.2G, max 2.6G, 420.5M free.
[15:52] <seb128> ah
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/journald.conf.html
[15:52] <seb128> "This means that if there was enough free space before and journal files were created, and subsequently something else causes the file system to fill up, journald will stop using more space, but it will not be removing existing files to reduce the footprint again, either."
[15:52] <pitti> yeah, I saw that in the manpage, but if you restart journald that should be re-computed?
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, so it just doesn't use more but doesn't clean/purge
[15:53] <seb128> well
[15:53] <pitti> oh, hmm
[15:53] <seb128> my understand of reading that is that it doesn't clean up old datas
[15:53] <pitti> but that's fairly bd
[15:53] <seb128> so if you have 2G logs and hit low space it doesn't use more than the 2G
[15:53] <pitti> bad
[15:54] <seb128> but doesn't go down to less
[15:54] <seb128> right
[16:00] <pitti> le gratin est prêt -- c'est l'heure pour le dîner !
[16:01] <seb128> pitti, bon appétit !
[16:01] <pitti> still nice and warm outside, so dinner in the garden :)
[16:01] <seb128> lucky you
[16:01] <seb128> strong rainy day here
[16:01] <seb128> it's almost nonstop since this morning
[16:02] <seb128> cold as well, had to put a sweater
[16:03] <pitti> we'll have that tomorrow again
[16:03] <pitti> but looks like Wed to Fri is going to be really nice
[16:03] <pitti> we were going to watch the game outside tomorrow evening (public viewing at a street food festival), I hope that'll work
[16:04] <Trevinho> 27° here...
[16:06] <seb128> Trevinho, Mr I've the good pizza, the sea and the nice weather!
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: fly here, you won't regret it
[16:07] <seb128> I should consider it
[16:08] <seb128> not this week though, already have a trip to Boston
[16:08] <Trevinho> At least for few days during the summer
[16:08] <seb128> yeah
[17:16] <Laney> night!
[17:16] <willcooke> cya Laney
[17:16] <seb128> night Laney
[19:40] <seb128> night
[21:07] <robert_ancell> willcooke, sorry... I forgot again
[21:07] <willcooke> hey robert_ancell
[21:07] <willcooke> nw, I was deep in Snappy anyway
[21:26] <qengho> Good morning!
[21:41] <willcooke> hey qengho
[21:42] <willcooke> night all
[22:15] <TheMuso> Odd_Bloke, willcooke, I'll bet chrome doesn't use pulse directly, and uses alsa in a way that is incompatible with the alsa pulse plugin. :)
[22:16] <TheMuso> Mind you, firefox is the same, although I think firefox uses alsa properly...
[22:16] <TheMuso> Its disappointing that these browsers still do not use pulseaudio natively after all this time.
[22:34] <qengho> TheMuso: I do'nt understand this yet, but GOOG Chrome and chromium bith use pulse directly.
[22:35] <qengho> $ pacmd list-clients |grep -i \\.name.*chrom
[22:35] <qengho> 		application.name = "Chrome input"
[22:35] <qengho> 		application.name = "Chromium"
[22:35] <qengho> 		application.name = "Chrome input"
[22:35] <qengho> 		application.name = "Chrome"
[23:26] <TheMuso> qengho: Interesting. Why do I not see a libpulse dependency for chromium-browser?
[23:26] <TheMuso> Does chrome itself depend on libpulse?
[23:28] <qengho> Hmm, static link, perhaps.
[23:28] <TheMuso> In which case thats disgusting.
[23:28] <TheMuso> But yeah probably.
[23:28] <TheMuso> I never think of that due to most stuff being built against system libs.
[23:42] <qengho> TheMuso: Hmm, I'm looking at it, and it looks like it should bot sstatically link. I'll investigate more.