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| diplo | Morning all | 07:01 |
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| MooDoo | #ubuntuspotting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwklfIbSAgA | 07:18 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:35 |
| foobarry | any idea how to find out what is using a module? lsmod says 1 thing is using it, mmfs26 1833577 1 | 08:36 |
| foobarry | cannot remove the module cleanly as something is using it | 08:36 |
| popey | foobarry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448999/is-there-a-way-to-figure-out-what-is-using-a-linux-kernel-module ? | 08:40 |
| foobarry | heh i was on that page | 08:41 |
| foobarry | --force is scary with gpfs | 08:41 |
| foobarry | trying to fathom the language in the second answer | 08:41 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: So I checked that minidlna thing and it was installed for...no reason whatsoever. Laptop has been upgraded from 14.04...so could have been just about anything I guess. | 08:43 |
| TwistedLucidity | Actually looks like a useful enough wee thing, just needs a bit more control (which can probably be configured I assume) | 08:44 |
| popey | hah | 08:45 |
| foobarry | ah, my colleague noticed autofs was loading stuff. restarted autofs and was able to shutdown gpfs | 08:45 |
| foobarry | anyone use pocket or instapaper? | 08:50 |
| foobarry | i have evernote for permanent stuff. wondering if i'd benefit from pocket too for tablet/kobo reading on the train | 08:51 |
| popey | i use pocket just for collecting news for the podcast | 08:53 |
| popey | i never use evernote plugins, just use that for text | 08:53 |
| popey | tried the evernote browser plugin and found it too intrusive | 08:53 |
| foobarry | i turned off the searchy stuff | 08:54 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: I keep meaning to install Wallabag (a F/OSS alternative to Pocket) | 08:58 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Go Skateboarding Day! 😃 | 09:04 |
| TwistedLucidity | Remember to wear your pads & helmet | 09:08 |
| JamesTait | TwistedLucidity, I make a point of doing that daily anyway, it can be a dangerous business in software development. 😝 | 09:12 |
| TwistedLucidity | JamesTait: The best form of defence is attack, I have a big stick | 09:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | 1.75m of solid oak as it happens. | 09:13 |
| JamesTait | I have 14.6cm of cherry wood? | 09:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Got some impact grade hickory here as well. | 09:18 |
| foobarry | i have my old brand-X skateboard inthe loft | 09:44 |
| foobarry | any comments on https://solus-project.com/2016/06/20/solus-1-2-shannon-released/ ctrl-f optimizations | 12:22 |
| diplo | as ub whether I'll use it foobarry ? | 13:14 |
| diplo | in* | 13:14 |
| diplo | I like the look of solus, I use Budgie as my WM, not sure I'd use it as my desktop OS, but may give it a go in the future, I use my desktop as my dev machine so I need something I know for now :) | 13:15 |
| foobarry | over how they get the speed improvements | 13:15 |
| foobarry | and if they legitimately amke desktop faster at expense of 1% use case havnig worse experience | 13:16 |
| ali1234 | they are using processor specific optimizations. so the 1% don't have a worse experience. it doesn't work for them at all | 13:22 |
| foobarry | unclear what is affected | 13:22 |
| foobarry | they don't say. | 13:22 |
| foobarry | elementary are 64-bit onl;y, so i wonder if they are doing it too | 13:22 |
| ali1234 | no | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | it has nothing to do with being 64 bit only | 13:23 |
| foobarry | its like the FAST compiler option etc? | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | i dunno. but it can't be anything to do with 64 bit | 13:24 |
| ali1234 | because all 64 bit distros are 64 bit only | 13:24 |
| ali1234 | because 64 bit code can't run on a 32 bit processor, ever | 13:24 |
| foobarry | we use intel compiler on the cluster and AMD nodes aren't working because it needs similar cpu to what it was compiled on, unless you use more broad options | 13:24 |
| foobarry | i know that, but there is a mentality that says "lets focus on newer hardware", that fits with ditching 32 bit too | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | eh, no | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | intel compiler targets intel extensions regardless of what system you run it on | 13:25 |
| ali1234 | yes, but dropping 32 bit support does not make your 64 bit binaries run any faster | 13:26 |
| ali1234 | it's like saying your distro runs faster because you don't compile it for ARM | 13:26 |
| foobarry | intel had to drop the intel specific stuff due to a court case i thought | 13:27 |
| ali1234 | find that almost as unlikely as the idea that a compiler generates different code based on the system you run it on, rather than say, command line switches | 13:28 |
| diplo | Well ikey works for Intel and works on the intel os project which I cna't remember the nsame of | 13:28 |
| diplo | name* | 13:28 |
| diplo | https://clearlinux.org/ | 13:29 |
| diplo | thnk that's it | 13:29 |
| foobarry | yep | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | i remember there was a scandal about the intel compiler generating sub-optimal code paths for AMD chips | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | but that's a bit different | 13:30 |
| foobarry | heh | 13:30 |
| foobarry | evil intel | 13:30 |
| ali1234 | what this will be is targeting specific CPU extensions that aren't available on all 64 bit processors | 13:31 |
| ali1234 | and possibly using the intel compiler to do that | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | or maybe just writing the assembly code | 13:32 |
| diplo | Probably yeah, debated about trying it on my optiplex but pretty sure its too old :) | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | or even just picking the right compile flags | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | this is the same thing that they did with meego | 13:32 |
| ali1234 | it required a cpu extension that wasn't available on any AMD chip at the time | 13:33 |
| * popey notes the guy who runs solus works for intel | 13:47 | |
| popey | also, I'm not sure those graphs are all of the graphs in the set | 13:47 |
| popey | http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1606039-HA-1606036KH29 yes, some other graphs have them level | 13:48 |
| popey | or even solus being slower | 13:48 |
| popey | lies, damn lies and benchmarks :) | 13:48 |
| daftykins | eww Mint | 13:49 |
| ali1234 | does anyone really even use XZ compression? | 13:51 |
| foobarry | the slower ones are not much slower...more data required. | 13:51 |
| foobarry | xz, yes they do | 13:52 |
| popey | It makes for a good press release, which is fine of course. | 13:53 |
| foobarry | xz is supposed to be better than bz2 | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | yeah but it's like 10x slower | 13:53 |
| foobarry | no | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | and 5% better compression | 13:53 |
| foobarry | imagine you have lots of genome data | 13:54 |
| foobarry | they would take many terbaytes | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | i have a very large dataset... it's over 2TB decompressed | 13:54 |
| foobarry | decompression time for xz is alltgedly faster | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | it took a couple of days to bzip it all | 13:54 |
| ali1234 | xz would have taken months | 13:54 |
| foobarry | HPC | 13:55 |
| foobarry | which is where you would find the genome data | 13:55 |
| foobarry | also if you store public datasets for consumption | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | HPC where you have gigabit links between each node? | 13:55 |
| foobarry | then a one time long compress for faster decompress and lower size is gotta be a benefit | 13:55 |
| foobarry | or infiniband | 13:56 |
| ali1234 | xz is so slow that it takes longer to compress data than it does to upload it on my broadband which has like 50kB upload speed | 13:56 |
| foobarry | actually bzip compresses genome sequences better than xz, but there are other cases where it is better | 13:57 |
| ali1234 | also decompressing isn't faster either... its much slower than bzip | 13:57 |
| foobarry | [citation needed] | 13:57 |
| ali1234 | i tested it myself | 13:57 |
| foobarry | depends on the dataset | 13:58 |
| foobarry | tried pocket on https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing but it doesn't play nice | 14:39 |
| foobarry | might have to stick to everscrote | 14:39 |
| awilkins | ali1234, genetic data compression? | 14:49 |
| awilkins | Main problem is the dictionary size of normal compression programs AFAICT | 14:50 |
| awilkins | ali1234, I've got some links somewhere | 14:50 |
| awilkins | http://sun.aei.polsl.pl/REFRESH/index.php?page=projects&project=gdc&subpage=about | 14:50 |
| awilkins | It also does differential compression (because genomes are so similar) | 14:51 |
| awilkins | I had this notion that you could just compress a reference genome and only punt around the compressed differentials | 14:51 |
| foobarry | maybe ali1234 was trying xz level 9 | 14:51 |
| awilkins | Never got around to implementing that but it should be able to copy a full human genome across a T1 line in less than 15s after compression | 14:52 |
| daftykins | what's 1.544Mb in this day and age :) | 14:58 |
| awilkins | More than a floppy | 16:38 |
| * zmoylan-pi waits for the box of 2.88mb floppies to double in value... | 16:40 | |
| damien | does anyone know how to delete an empty folder in ubuntu? | 17:14 |
| lopta | damien: Have you tried from the command line? | 17:14 |
| damien | no what should i do | 17:15 |
| lopta | Does it not go away if you drag it to the rubbish bin? | 17:16 |
| damien | no it does not | 17:16 |
| lopta | Is it a folder that you created? | 17:17 |
| damien | it was a game actually i went to uninstall it as it did not work, now there is an empty folder left | 17:17 |
| popey | click on it and press delete? | 17:19 |
| lopta | damien: Where is the folder? | 17:19 |
| damien | it is in other | 17:20 |
| * lopta doesn't know where "other" is. | 17:20 | |
| damien | other is in the launcher menu | 17:20 |
| * lopta shrugs | 17:21 | |
| lopta | Sounds like an Ubuntu-specific (or at least Linux-specific) thing. | 17:21 |
| lopta | Sorry I'm not able to help. | 17:21 |
| damien | I thought as much | 17:21 |
| popey | i dont actually understand where you're talking about | 17:21 |
| lopta | popey: I was about to suggest that you might know ;-) | 17:22 |
| damien | popey: do ypou have any idea how to remove an empty folder in ubuntu? | 17:23 |
| brobostigon | rm -r | 17:26 |
| damien | is that all | 17:27 |
| brobostigon | and the folder name, | 17:27 |
| damien | it is saying that it doesnt exist | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | does ls show it? | 17:28 |
| diddledan_ | brobostigon: you should specify with a variable name and a suffixed / after the variable so that unsuspecting copy pastas unwittingly, but amusingly, destroy their system | 17:28 |
| brobostigon | diddledan_: true, yes, sorry. | 17:29 |
| damien | no | 17:29 |
| diddledan_ | something like "-rf $moo/" | 17:29 |
| diddledan_ | :-p | 17:29 |
| czajkowski | popey: you about ? | 17:30 |
| damien | diddle dan that did not work either | 17:30 |
| m0nkey_ | Yeah diddledan_ you suck :-P | 17:32 |
| damien | lol | 17:33 |
| daftykins | buuuurn! | 17:35 |
| damien | he said aww chucks | 17:35 |
| damien | aww chucks im speechless | 17:48 |
| damien | im sure things should be a doddle with diddledan | 17:50 |
| damien | :-) | 17:52 |
| popey | czajkowski: hello | 17:57 |
| diddledan_ | m0nkey_: I try | 18:17 |
| popey | diddledan_: please, do NOT do that. | 18:23 |
| diddledan_ | popey: that's why I also neutered my utterance to be non-copy-pastable | 18:24 |
| popey | plenty of people don't copy paste but type what they see, especially if they're on a second computer fixing the first | 18:25 |
| popey | so please, don't | 18:25 |
| daftykins | hmm that minsky character is bouncing in this channel too | 18:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | 18:26 | |
| daftykins | ban o'clock | 18:26 |
| diddledan_ | zmoylan-pi: I feel your presence but I can't hear you | 18:28 |
| * diddledan_ bops daftykins | 18:28 | |
| * daftykins is bopped | 18:28 | |
| * zmoylan-pi mimes person stuck in a box... | 18:28 | |
| * daftykins seals the box airtight and watches how zmoylan-pi mimes it | 18:29 | |
| daftykins | 8D | 18:29 |
| diddledan_ | yey @ silly oversights on government sites: http://cl.ly/2k0X2Y2w2O0o/o | 18:29 |
| diddledan_ | you@your.address | 18:29 |
| daftykins | :> | 18:30 |
| daftykins | well you don't think anyone is gonna fix that right? | 18:30 |
| * zmoylan-pi mimes opening backpack and extracting battery powered angle grinder to make air holes | 18:30 | |
| * diddledan_ stabs the box again (that zmoylan-pi is miming being inside) | 18:33 | |
| diddledan_ | this is a magic trick, right? the one where I stab the box with 15 swords and you stay alive? | 18:33 |
| * zmoylan-pi nips out to the chemist using the escape tunnel from the box | 18:34 | |
| daftykins | oh dear the mime has gone quiet | 18:34 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:34 |
| diddledan_ | I'd be more worried if the mime was noisy | 18:34 |
| diddledan_ | mimes are supposed to be quiet aren't they? | 18:34 |
| zmoylan-pi | everybody laughs when you mention you prepare an escape tunnel... they're the people you add to the list of 'not allowed in my escaoe tunnel'... :-P | 18:35 |
| daftykins | diddledan_: http://goo.gl/teY5 | 18:35 |
| diddledan_ | oh | 18:36 |
| diddledan_ | aren't jokes always funnier when someone explains it in minute detail? | 18:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | they're funny when you explain them with a 2 hour powerpoint presentation | 18:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | AND a laser pointer | 18:36 |
| diddledan_ | powerpoint. please. I use interpretive dance | 18:37 |
| zmoylan-pi | ah but with powerpoint you get to annoy people for 30 minutes while you connect your laptop to the over head projector which doesn't want to | 18:38 |
| diddledan_ | when you see a large whale-like me oozing around wearing a leotard in front of an audience you'll wish for powerpoint | 18:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll sell harpoons to the audience... | 18:39 |
| diddledan_ | you can't beat Mr Pointy | 18:40 |
| diddledan_ | https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKjfe3_r0FkAxcpjnhUzg9LJHJpnC3sWlED75DACoiBIoa_lKbMA | 18:41 |
| diddledan_ | this is a more descriptive one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/d4/3d/81d43da332e1a6eff580511c54744a3b.jpg | 18:42 |
| diddledan_ | someone kill minsky ! | 18:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | we have harpoons... :-P | 18:43 |
| diddledan_ | perhaps the IrCOPs need informing over in #freenode? | 18:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | and my unfeasibly large nerf collection... | 18:44 |
| diddledan_ | I've got my bopping thing | 18:44 |
| * diddledan_ bops daftykins | 18:44 | |
| daftykins | skippity beep-bop and Christopher Reeves ~ | 18:44 |
| daftykins | that was a line in some Eminem i believe | 18:45 |
| czajkowski | popey: can you help me figure out libre office before I go grey please :) | 18:45 |
| czajkowski | popey: open up libre office | 18:45 |
| czajkowski | and do you see a left hand pane where you can add slides underneath each other | 18:46 |
| czajkowski | and then to the right you see the slide | 18:46 |
| czajkowski | what is the name of the left hand panel, mine is gone and trying to readd it | 18:46 |
| daftykins | must be something like thumbnails/outline ? | 18:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's just called slides... | 18:51 |
| zmoylan-pi | or side pane? | 18:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | slide pane rather | 18:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | View, Slide Pane | 18:52 |
| czajkowski | https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/1j1WYasa8UC?pid=6298721254376402514&oid=102921374554385564572 | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | so I got view slide pane in there | 18:55 |
| czajkowski | but it's just showing blanks and the slides to my right are not blank | 18:56 |
| czajkowski | :( | 18:56 |
| czajkowski | libre office why do you hate me so | 18:56 |
| daftykins | YOLD! | 18:59 |
| daftykins | that's pretty weird | 18:59 |
| czajkowski | I'm not old :( | 18:59 |
| daftykins | haha that's not what that means | 19:01 |
| czajkowski | what does it mean so ? | 19:03 |
| daftykins | year of the Linux desktop! my little tease line :) | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | ah gotcha | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | which is in fact OLD ! :) | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | slides should do it | 19:04 |
| daftykins | the phrase? :) | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | yet cannot for the life of me make it display | 19:04 |
| daftykins | maybe you have to close and re-open for some unknown reason o0 | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | aye | 19:04 |
| czajkowski | daftykins: oh for the love of jack daniels! | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | https://goo.gl/photos/AsoZeidjsjxhe1uU7 | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | so closing and reopening kinda fixed it | 19:07 |
| czajkowski | now if I could just the side pane to dock! | 19:07 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:08 |
| daftykins | i just Windows'd your problem | 19:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | now you just need to move it around till it snaps in... i think... | 19:08 |
| czajkowski | narp | 19:09 |
| czajkowski | grumble | 19:09 |
| foobarry | my system utterly locks up during i/o copy from usb->local disk | 19:09 |
| foobarry | need to find the cpu scheduler to stop that | 19:09 |
| bittin | you should not work when you are tired and deppresive almost made something wrong but brain woke up and helped me in last second :P | 19:43 |
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| foobarry | didn't help me, just did a bad | 20:25 |
| daftykins | :< | 20:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | may all your recoverys be little ones... | 20:34 |
| foobarry | also, i've been doing a dd for 25mins | 20:34 |
| foobarry | surely there's a problem | 20:35 |
| foobarry | only 4gb | 20:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds... wrong... | 20:35 |
| foobarry | ah, just as i do a strace, it finished | 20:35 |
| daftykins | forget a blocksize parameter to speed it up? | 20:35 |
| daftykins | heh | 20:35 |
| foobarry | maybe that woke up | 20:36 |
| foobarry | my dog keeps eating feathers | 20:39 |
| zmoylan-pi | can smell the bird from the feathers so has a nibble | 20:41 |
| foobarry | had to extract it from the back of his mouth | 20:41 |
| foobarry | like sticking a head in a croc mouth | 20:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | dogs jaws aren't as strong as crocs | 20:42 |
| xnox | finished watching the #BBCDebate.... | 20:44 |
| xnox | oh i hope we will remain | 20:45 |
| xnox | =( | 20:45 |
| lopta | hello xnox | 20:45 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 21:30 |
| daftykins | lo | 21:30 |
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