[07:01] <diplo> Morning all
[07:18] <MooDoo> #ubuntuspotting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwklfIbSAgA
[08:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:36] <foobarry> any idea how to find out what is using a module? lsmod says 1 thing is using it, mmfs26               1833577  1
[08:36] <foobarry> cannot remove the module cleanly as something is using it
[08:40] <popey> foobarry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448999/is-there-a-way-to-figure-out-what-is-using-a-linux-kernel-module ?
[08:41] <foobarry> heh i was on that page
[08:41] <foobarry> --force is scary with gpfs
[08:41] <foobarry> trying to fathom the language in the second answer
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> popey: So I checked that minidlna thing and it was installed for...no reason whatsoever. Laptop has been upgraded from 14.04...so could have been just about anything I guess.
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> Actually looks like a useful enough wee thing, just needs a bit more control (which can probably be configured I assume)
[08:45] <popey> hah
[08:45] <foobarry> ah, my colleague noticed autofs was loading stuff. restarted autofs and was able to shutdown gpfs
[08:50] <foobarry> anyone use pocket or instapaper?
[08:51] <foobarry> i have evernote for permanent stuff. wondering if i'd benefit from pocket too for tablet/kobo reading on the train
[08:53] <popey> i use pocket just for collecting news for the podcast
[08:53] <popey> i never use evernote plugins, just use that for text
[08:53] <popey> tried the evernote browser plugin and found it too intrusive
[08:54] <foobarry> i turned off the searchy stuff
[08:58] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I keep meaning to install Wallabag (a F/OSS alternative to Pocket)
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Go Skateboarding Day! 😃
[09:08] <TwistedLucidity> Remember to wear your pads & helmet
[09:12] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, I make a point of doing that daily anyway, it can be a dangerous business in software development. 😝
[09:13] <TwistedLucidity> JamesTait: The best form of defence is attack, I have a big stick
[09:13] <TwistedLucidity> 1.75m of solid oak as it happens.
[09:15] <JamesTait> I have 14.6cm of cherry wood?
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> Got some impact grade hickory here as well.
[09:44] <foobarry> i have my old brand-X skateboard inthe loft
[12:22] <foobarry> any comments on https://solus-project.com/2016/06/20/solus-1-2-shannon-released/ ctrl-f optimizations
[13:14] <diplo> as ub whether I'll use it foobarry ?
[13:14] <diplo> in*
[13:15] <diplo> I like the look of solus, I use Budgie as my WM, not sure I'd use it as my desktop OS, but may give it a go in the future, I use my desktop as my dev machine so I need something I know for now :)
[13:15] <foobarry> over how they get the speed improvements
[13:16] <foobarry> and if they legitimately amke desktop faster at expense of 1% use case havnig worse experience
[13:22] <ali1234> they are using processor specific optimizations. so the 1% don't have a worse experience. it doesn't work for them at all
[13:22] <foobarry> unclear what is affected
[13:22] <foobarry> they don't say.
[13:22] <foobarry> elementary are 64-bit onl;y, so i wonder if they are doing it too
[13:23] <ali1234> no
[13:23] <ali1234> it has nothing to do with being 64 bit only
[13:23] <foobarry> its like the FAST compiler option etc?
[13:24] <ali1234> i dunno. but it can't be anything to do with 64 bit
[13:24] <ali1234> because all 64 bit distros are 64 bit only
[13:24] <ali1234> because 64 bit code can't run on a 32 bit processor, ever
[13:24] <foobarry> we use intel compiler on the cluster and AMD nodes aren't working because it needs similar cpu to what it was compiled on, unless you use more broad options
[13:25] <foobarry> i know that, but there is a mentality that says "lets focus on newer hardware", that fits with ditching 32 bit too
[13:25] <ali1234> eh, no
[13:25] <ali1234> intel compiler targets intel extensions regardless of what system you run it on
[13:26] <ali1234> yes, but dropping 32 bit support does not make your 64 bit binaries run any faster
[13:26] <ali1234> it's like saying your distro runs faster because you don't compile it for ARM
[13:27] <foobarry> intel had to drop the intel specific stuff due to a court case i thought
[13:28] <ali1234>  find that almost as unlikely as the idea that a compiler generates different code based on the system you run it on, rather than say, command line switches
[13:28] <diplo> Well ikey works for Intel and works on the intel os project which I cna't remember the nsame of
[13:28] <diplo> name*
[13:29] <diplo> https://clearlinux.org/
[13:29] <diplo> thnk that's it
[13:29] <foobarry> yep
[13:30] <ali1234> i remember there was a scandal about the intel compiler generating sub-optimal code paths for AMD chips
[13:30] <ali1234> but that's a bit different
[13:30] <foobarry> heh
[13:30] <foobarry> evil intel
[13:31] <ali1234> what this will be is targeting specific CPU extensions that aren't available on all 64 bit processors
[13:32] <ali1234> and possibly using the intel compiler to do that
[13:32] <ali1234> or maybe just writing the assembly code
[13:32] <diplo> Probably yeah, debated about trying it on my optiplex but pretty sure its too old :)
[13:32] <ali1234> or even just picking the right compile flags
[13:32] <ali1234> this is the same thing that they did with meego
[13:33] <ali1234> it required a cpu extension that wasn't available on any AMD chip at the time
[13:47]  * popey notes the guy who runs solus works for intel
[13:47] <popey> also, I'm not sure those graphs are all of the graphs in the set
[13:48] <popey> http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1606039-HA-1606036KH29 yes, some other graphs have them level
[13:48] <popey> or even solus being slower
[13:48] <popey> lies, damn lies and benchmarks :)
[13:49] <daftykins> eww Mint
[13:51] <ali1234> does anyone really even use XZ compression?
[13:51] <foobarry> the slower ones are not much slower...more data required.
[13:52] <foobarry> xz, yes they do
[13:53] <popey> It makes for a good press release, which is fine of course.
[13:53] <foobarry> xz is supposed to be better than bz2
[13:53] <ali1234> yeah but it's like 10x slower
[13:53] <foobarry> no
[13:53] <ali1234> and 5% better compression
[13:54] <foobarry> imagine you have lots of genome data
[13:54] <foobarry> they would take many terbaytes
[13:54] <ali1234> i have a very large dataset... it's over 2TB decompressed
[13:54] <foobarry> decompression time for xz is alltgedly faster
[13:54] <ali1234> it took a couple of days to bzip it all
[13:54] <ali1234> xz would have taken months
[13:55] <foobarry> HPC
[13:55] <foobarry> which is where you would find the genome data
[13:55] <foobarry> also if you store public datasets for consumption
[13:55] <ali1234> HPC where you have gigabit links between each node?
[13:55] <foobarry> then a one time long compress for faster decompress and lower size is gotta be a benefit
[13:56] <foobarry> or infiniband
[13:56] <ali1234> xz is so slow that it takes longer to compress data than it does to upload it on my broadband which has like 50kB upload speed
[13:57] <foobarry> actually bzip compresses genome sequences better than xz, but there are other cases where it is better
[13:57] <ali1234> also decompressing isn't faster either... its much slower than bzip
[13:57] <foobarry> [citation needed]
[13:57] <ali1234> i tested it myself
[13:58] <foobarry> depends on the dataset
[14:39] <foobarry> tried pocket on https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing but it doesn't play nice
[14:39] <foobarry> might have to stick to everscrote
[14:49] <awilkins> ali1234, genetic data compression?
[14:50] <awilkins> Main problem is the dictionary size of normal compression programs AFAICT
[14:50] <awilkins> ali1234, I've got some links somewhere
[14:50] <awilkins> http://sun.aei.polsl.pl/REFRESH/index.php?page=projects&project=gdc&subpage=about
[14:51] <awilkins> It also does differential compression (because genomes are so similar)
[14:51] <awilkins> I had this notion that you could just compress a reference genome and only punt around the compressed differentials
[14:51] <foobarry> maybe ali1234 was trying xz level 9
[14:52] <awilkins> Never got around to implementing that but it should be able to copy a full human genome across a T1 line in less than 15s after compression
[14:58] <daftykins> what's 1.544Mb in this day and age :)
[16:38] <awilkins> More than a floppy
[16:40]  * zmoylan-pi waits for the box of 2.88mb floppies to double in value...
[17:14] <damien> does anyone know how to delete an empty folder in ubuntu?
[17:14] <lopta> damien: Have you tried from the command line?
[17:15] <damien> no what should i do
[17:16] <lopta> Does it not go away if you drag it to the rubbish bin?
[17:16] <damien> no it does not
[17:17] <lopta> Is it a folder that you created?
[17:17] <damien> it was a game actually i went to uninstall it as it did not work, now there is an empty folder left
[17:19] <popey> click on it and press delete?
[17:19] <lopta> damien: Where is the folder?
[17:20] <damien> it is in other
[17:20]  * lopta doesn't know where "other" is.
[17:20] <damien> other is in the launcher menu
[17:21]  * lopta shrugs
[17:21] <lopta> Sounds like an Ubuntu-specific (or at least Linux-specific) thing.
[17:21] <lopta> Sorry I'm not able to help.
[17:21] <damien> I thought as much
[17:21] <popey> i dont actually understand where you're talking about
[17:22] <lopta> popey: I was about to suggest that you might know ;-)
[17:23] <damien> popey: do ypou have any idea how to remove an empty folder in ubuntu?
[17:26] <brobostigon> rm -r
[17:27] <damien> is that all
[17:27] <brobostigon> and the folder name,
[17:28] <damien> it is saying that it doesnt exist
[17:28] <brobostigon> does ls show it?
[17:28] <diddledan_> brobostigon: you should specify with a variable name and a suffixed / after the variable so that unsuspecting copy pastas unwittingly, but amusingly, destroy their system
[17:29] <brobostigon> diddledan_: true, yes, sorry.
[17:29] <damien> no
[17:29] <diddledan_> something like "-rf $moo/"
[17:29] <diddledan_> :-p
[17:30] <czajkowski> popey: you about ?
[17:30] <damien> diddle dan that did not work either
[17:32] <m0nkey_> Yeah diddledan_ you suck :-P
[17:33] <damien> lol
[17:35] <daftykins> buuuurn!
[17:35] <damien> he said aww chucks
[17:48] <damien> aww chucks im speechless
[17:50] <damien> im sure things should be a doddle with diddledan
[17:52] <damien> :-)
[17:57] <popey> czajkowski: hello
[18:17] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: I try
[18:23] <popey> diddledan_: please, do NOT do that.
[18:24] <diddledan_> popey: that's why I also neutered my utterance to be non-copy-pastable
[18:25] <popey> plenty of people don't copy paste but type what they see, especially if they're on a second computer fixing the first
[18:25] <popey> so please, don't
[18:26] <daftykins> hmm that minsky character is bouncing in this channel too
[18:26] <zmoylan-pi>  
[18:26] <daftykins> ban o'clock
[18:28] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: I feel your presence but I can't hear you
[18:28]  * diddledan_ bops daftykins 
[18:28]  * daftykins is bopped
[18:28]  * zmoylan-pi mimes person stuck in a box...
[18:29]  * daftykins seals the box airtight and watches how zmoylan-pi mimes it
[18:29] <daftykins> 8D
[18:29] <diddledan_> yey @ silly oversights on government sites: http://cl.ly/2k0X2Y2w2O0o/o
[18:29] <diddledan_> you@your.address
[18:30] <daftykins> :>
[18:30] <daftykins> well you don't think anyone is gonna fix that right?
[18:30]  * zmoylan-pi mimes opening backpack and extracting battery powered angle grinder to make air holes
[18:33]  * diddledan_ stabs the box again (that zmoylan-pi is miming being inside)
[18:33] <diddledan_> this is a magic trick, right? the one where I stab the box with 15 swords and you stay alive?
[18:34]  * zmoylan-pi nips out to the chemist using the escape tunnel from the box
[18:34] <daftykins> oh dear the mime has gone quiet
[18:34] <daftykins> :D
[18:34] <diddledan_> I'd be more worried if the mime was noisy
[18:34] <diddledan_> mimes are supposed to be quiet aren't they?
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> everybody laughs when you mention you prepare an escape tunnel... they're the people you add to the list of 'not allowed in my escaoe tunnel'... :-P
[18:35] <daftykins> diddledan_: http://goo.gl/teY5
[18:36] <diddledan_> oh
[18:36] <diddledan_> aren't jokes always funnier when someone explains it in minute detail?
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> they're funny when you explain them with a 2 hour powerpoint presentation
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> AND a laser pointer
[18:37] <diddledan_> powerpoint. please. I use interpretive dance
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> ah but with powerpoint you get to annoy people for 30 minutes while you connect your laptop to the over head projector which doesn't want to
[18:39] <diddledan_> when you see a large whale-like me oozing around wearing a leotard in front of an audience you'll wish for powerpoint
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> i'll sell harpoons to the audience...
[18:40] <diddledan_> you can't beat Mr Pointy
[18:41] <diddledan_> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKjfe3_r0FkAxcpjnhUzg9LJHJpnC3sWlED75DACoiBIoa_lKbMA
[18:42] <diddledan_> this is a more descriptive one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/d4/3d/81d43da332e1a6eff580511c54744a3b.jpg
[18:42] <diddledan_> someone kill minsky !
[18:43] <zmoylan-pi> we have harpoons... :-P
[18:43] <diddledan_> perhaps the IrCOPs need informing over in #freenode?
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> and my unfeasibly large nerf collection...
[18:44] <diddledan_> I've got my bopping thing
[18:44]  * diddledan_ bops daftykins 
[18:44] <daftykins> skippity beep-bop and Christopher Reeves ~
[18:45] <daftykins> that was a line in some Eminem i believe
[18:45] <czajkowski> popey: can you help me figure out libre office before I go grey please :)
[18:45] <czajkowski> popey: open up libre office
[18:46] <czajkowski> and do you see a left hand pane where you can add slides underneath each other
[18:46] <czajkowski> and then to the right you see the slide
[18:46] <czajkowski> what is the name of the left hand panel, mine is gone and trying to readd it
[18:49] <daftykins> must be something like thumbnails/outline ?
[18:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's just called slides...
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> or side pane?
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> slide pane rather
[18:52] <zmoylan-pi> View, Slide Pane
[18:55] <czajkowski> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/1j1WYasa8UC?pid=6298721254376402514&oid=102921374554385564572
[18:55] <czajkowski> so I got view slide pane in there
[18:56] <czajkowski> but it's just showing blanks and the slides to my right are not blank
[18:56] <czajkowski> :(
[18:56] <czajkowski>  libre office why do you hate me so
[18:59] <daftykins> YOLD!
[18:59] <daftykins> that's pretty weird
[18:59] <czajkowski> I'm not old :(
[19:01] <daftykins> haha that's not what that means
[19:03] <czajkowski> what does it mean so ?
[19:04] <daftykins> year of the Linux desktop! my little tease line :)
[19:04] <czajkowski> ah gotcha
[19:04] <czajkowski> which is in fact OLD ! :)
[19:04] <czajkowski> slides should do it
[19:04] <daftykins> the phrase? :)
[19:04] <czajkowski> yet cannot for the life of me make it display
[19:04] <daftykins> maybe you have to close and re-open for some unknown reason o0
[19:04] <czajkowski> aye
[19:07] <czajkowski> daftykins: oh for the love of jack daniels!
[19:07] <czajkowski> https://goo.gl/photos/AsoZeidjsjxhe1uU7
[19:07] <czajkowski> so closing and reopening kinda fixed it
[19:07] <czajkowski> now if I could just the side pane to dock!
[19:08] <daftykins> :D
[19:08] <daftykins> i just Windows'd your problem
[19:08] <zmoylan-pi> now you just need to move it around till it snaps in... i think...
[19:09] <czajkowski> narp
[19:09] <czajkowski> grumble
[19:09] <foobarry> my system utterly locks up during i/o copy from usb->local disk
[19:09] <foobarry> need to find the cpu scheduler to stop that
[19:43] <bittin> you should not work when you are tired and deppresive almost made something wrong but brain woke up and helped me in last second :P
[20:25] <foobarry> didn't help me, just did a bad
[20:25] <daftykins> :<
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> may all your recoverys be little ones...
[20:34] <foobarry> also, i've been doing a dd for 25mins
[20:35] <foobarry> surely there's a problem
[20:35] <foobarry> only 4gb
[20:35] <zmoylan-pi> sounds... wrong...
[20:35] <foobarry> ah, just as i do a strace, it finished
[20:35] <daftykins> forget a blocksize parameter to speed it up?
[20:35] <daftykins> heh
[20:36] <foobarry> maybe that woke up
[20:39] <foobarry> my dog keeps eating feathers
[20:41] <zmoylan-pi> can smell the bird from the feathers so has a nibble
[20:41] <foobarry> had to extract it from the back of his mouth
[20:42] <foobarry> like sticking a head in a croc mouth
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> dogs jaws aren't as strong as crocs
[20:44] <xnox> finished watching the #BBCDebate....
[20:45] <xnox> oh i hope we will remain
[20:45] <xnox> =(
[20:45] <lopta> hello xnox
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:30] <daftykins> lo