=== brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar [07:01] Morning all [07:18] #ubuntuspotting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwklfIbSAgA [08:35] morning boys and girls. [08:36] any idea how to find out what is using a module? lsmod says 1 thing is using it, mmfs26 1833577 1 [08:36] cannot remove the module cleanly as something is using it [08:40] foobarry: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448999/is-there-a-way-to-figure-out-what-is-using-a-linux-kernel-module ? [08:41] heh i was on that page [08:41] --force is scary with gpfs [08:41] trying to fathom the language in the second answer [08:43] popey: So I checked that minidlna thing and it was installed for...no reason whatsoever. Laptop has been upgraded from 14.04...so could have been just about anything I guess. [08:44] Actually looks like a useful enough wee thing, just needs a bit more control (which can probably be configured I assume) [08:45] hah [08:45] ah, my colleague noticed autofs was loading stuff. restarted autofs and was able to shutdown gpfs [08:50] anyone use pocket or instapaper? [08:51] i have evernote for permanent stuff. wondering if i'd benefit from pocket too for tablet/kobo reading on the train [08:53] i use pocket just for collecting news for the podcast [08:53] i never use evernote plugins, just use that for text [08:53] tried the evernote browser plugin and found it too intrusive [08:54] i turned off the searchy stuff [08:58] foobarry: I keep meaning to install Wallabag (a F/OSS alternative to Pocket) [09:04] Good morning all! Happy Tuesday, and happy Go Skateboarding Day! 😃 [09:08] Remember to wear your pads & helmet [09:12] TwistedLucidity, I make a point of doing that daily anyway, it can be a dangerous business in software development. 😝 [09:13] JamesTait: The best form of defence is attack, I have a big stick [09:13] 1.75m of solid oak as it happens. [09:15] I have 14.6cm of cherry wood? [09:18] Got some impact grade hickory here as well. [09:44] i have my old brand-X skateboard inthe loft [12:22] any comments on https://solus-project.com/2016/06/20/solus-1-2-shannon-released/ ctrl-f optimizations [13:14] as ub whether I'll use it foobarry ? [13:14] in* [13:15] I like the look of solus, I use Budgie as my WM, not sure I'd use it as my desktop OS, but may give it a go in the future, I use my desktop as my dev machine so I need something I know for now :) [13:15] over how they get the speed improvements [13:16] and if they legitimately amke desktop faster at expense of 1% use case havnig worse experience [13:22] they are using processor specific optimizations. so the 1% don't have a worse experience. it doesn't work for them at all [13:22] unclear what is affected [13:22] they don't say. [13:22] elementary are 64-bit onl;y, so i wonder if they are doing it too [13:23] no [13:23] it has nothing to do with being 64 bit only [13:23] its like the FAST compiler option etc? [13:24] i dunno. but it can't be anything to do with 64 bit [13:24] because all 64 bit distros are 64 bit only [13:24] because 64 bit code can't run on a 32 bit processor, ever [13:24] we use intel compiler on the cluster and AMD nodes aren't working because it needs similar cpu to what it was compiled on, unless you use more broad options [13:25] i know that, but there is a mentality that says "lets focus on newer hardware", that fits with ditching 32 bit too [13:25] eh, no [13:25] intel compiler targets intel extensions regardless of what system you run it on [13:26] yes, but dropping 32 bit support does not make your 64 bit binaries run any faster [13:26] it's like saying your distro runs faster because you don't compile it for ARM [13:27] intel had to drop the intel specific stuff due to a court case i thought [13:28] find that almost as unlikely as the idea that a compiler generates different code based on the system you run it on, rather than say, command line switches [13:28] Well ikey works for Intel and works on the intel os project which I cna't remember the nsame of [13:28] name* [13:29] https://clearlinux.org/ [13:29] thnk that's it [13:29] yep [13:30] i remember there was a scandal about the intel compiler generating sub-optimal code paths for AMD chips [13:30] but that's a bit different [13:30] heh [13:30] evil intel [13:31] what this will be is targeting specific CPU extensions that aren't available on all 64 bit processors [13:32] and possibly using the intel compiler to do that [13:32] or maybe just writing the assembly code [13:32] Probably yeah, debated about trying it on my optiplex but pretty sure its too old :) [13:32] or even just picking the right compile flags [13:32] this is the same thing that they did with meego [13:33] it required a cpu extension that wasn't available on any AMD chip at the time [13:47] * popey notes the guy who runs solus works for intel [13:47] also, I'm not sure those graphs are all of the graphs in the set [13:48] http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1606039-HA-1606036KH29 yes, some other graphs have them level [13:48] or even solus being slower [13:48] lies, damn lies and benchmarks :) [13:49] eww Mint [13:51] does anyone really even use XZ compression? [13:51] the slower ones are not much slower...more data required. [13:52] xz, yes they do [13:53] It makes for a good press release, which is fine of course. [13:53] xz is supposed to be better than bz2 [13:53] yeah but it's like 10x slower [13:53] no [13:53] and 5% better compression [13:54] imagine you have lots of genome data [13:54] they would take many terbaytes [13:54] i have a very large dataset... it's over 2TB decompressed [13:54] decompression time for xz is alltgedly faster [13:54] it took a couple of days to bzip it all [13:54] xz would have taken months [13:55] HPC [13:55] which is where you would find the genome data [13:55] also if you store public datasets for consumption [13:55] HPC where you have gigabit links between each node? [13:55] then a one time long compress for faster decompress and lower size is gotta be a benefit [13:56] or infiniband [13:56] xz is so slow that it takes longer to compress data than it does to upload it on my broadband which has like 50kB upload speed [13:57] actually bzip compresses genome sequences better than xz, but there are other cases where it is better [13:57] also decompressing isn't faster either... its much slower than bzip [13:57] [citation needed] [13:57] i tested it myself [13:58] depends on the dataset [14:39] tried pocket on https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing but it doesn't play nice [14:39] might have to stick to everscrote [14:49] ali1234, genetic data compression? [14:50] Main problem is the dictionary size of normal compression programs AFAICT [14:50] ali1234, I've got some links somewhere [14:50] http://sun.aei.polsl.pl/REFRESH/index.php?page=projects&project=gdc&subpage=about [14:51] It also does differential compression (because genomes are so similar) [14:51] I had this notion that you could just compress a reference genome and only punt around the compressed differentials [14:51] maybe ali1234 was trying xz level 9 [14:52] Never got around to implementing that but it should be able to copy a full human genome across a T1 line in less than 15s after compression [14:58] what's 1.544Mb in this day and age :) [16:38] More than a floppy [16:40] * zmoylan-pi waits for the box of 2.88mb floppies to double in value... [17:14] does anyone know how to delete an empty folder in ubuntu? [17:14] damien: Have you tried from the command line? [17:15] no what should i do [17:16] Does it not go away if you drag it to the rubbish bin? [17:16] no it does not [17:17] Is it a folder that you created? [17:17] it was a game actually i went to uninstall it as it did not work, now there is an empty folder left [17:19] click on it and press delete? [17:19] damien: Where is the folder? [17:20] it is in other [17:20] * lopta doesn't know where "other" is. [17:20] other is in the launcher menu [17:21] * lopta shrugs [17:21] Sounds like an Ubuntu-specific (or at least Linux-specific) thing. [17:21] Sorry I'm not able to help. [17:21] I thought as much [17:21] i dont actually understand where you're talking about [17:22] popey: I was about to suggest that you might know ;-) [17:23] popey: do ypou have any idea how to remove an empty folder in ubuntu? [17:26] rm -r [17:27] is that all [17:27] and the folder name, [17:28] it is saying that it doesnt exist [17:28] does ls show it? [17:28] brobostigon: you should specify with a variable name and a suffixed / after the variable so that unsuspecting copy pastas unwittingly, but amusingly, destroy their system [17:29] diddledan_: true, yes, sorry. [17:29] no [17:29] something like "-rf $moo/" [17:29] :-p [17:30] popey: you about ? [17:30] diddle dan that did not work either [17:32] Yeah diddledan_ you suck :-P [17:33] lol [17:35] buuuurn! [17:35] he said aww chucks [17:48] aww chucks im speechless [17:50] im sure things should be a doddle with diddledan [17:52] :-) [17:57] czajkowski: hello [18:17] m0nkey_: I try [18:23] diddledan_: please, do NOT do that. [18:24] popey: that's why I also neutered my utterance to be non-copy-pastable [18:25] plenty of people don't copy paste but type what they see, especially if they're on a second computer fixing the first [18:25] so please, don't [18:26] hmm that minsky character is bouncing in this channel too [18:26] [18:26] ban o'clock [18:28] zmoylan-pi: I feel your presence but I can't hear you [18:28] * diddledan_ bops daftykins [18:28] * daftykins is bopped [18:28] * zmoylan-pi mimes person stuck in a box... [18:29] * daftykins seals the box airtight and watches how zmoylan-pi mimes it [18:29] 8D [18:29] yey @ silly oversights on government sites: http://cl.ly/2k0X2Y2w2O0o/o [18:29] you@your.address [18:30] :> [18:30] well you don't think anyone is gonna fix that right? [18:30] * zmoylan-pi mimes opening backpack and extracting battery powered angle grinder to make air holes [18:33] * diddledan_ stabs the box again (that zmoylan-pi is miming being inside) [18:33] this is a magic trick, right? the one where I stab the box with 15 swords and you stay alive? [18:34] * zmoylan-pi nips out to the chemist using the escape tunnel from the box [18:34] oh dear the mime has gone quiet [18:34] :D [18:34] I'd be more worried if the mime was noisy [18:34] mimes are supposed to be quiet aren't they? [18:35] everybody laughs when you mention you prepare an escape tunnel... they're the people you add to the list of 'not allowed in my escaoe tunnel'... :-P [18:35] diddledan_: http://goo.gl/teY5 [18:36] oh [18:36] aren't jokes always funnier when someone explains it in minute detail? [18:36] they're funny when you explain them with a 2 hour powerpoint presentation [18:36] AND a laser pointer [18:37] powerpoint. please. I use interpretive dance [18:38] ah but with powerpoint you get to annoy people for 30 minutes while you connect your laptop to the over head projector which doesn't want to [18:39] when you see a large whale-like me oozing around wearing a leotard in front of an audience you'll wish for powerpoint [18:39] i'll sell harpoons to the audience... [18:40] you can't beat Mr Pointy [18:41] https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKjfe3_r0FkAxcpjnhUzg9LJHJpnC3sWlED75DACoiBIoa_lKbMA [18:42] this is a more descriptive one: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/81/d4/3d/81d43da332e1a6eff580511c54744a3b.jpg [18:42] someone kill minsky ! [18:43] we have harpoons... :-P [18:43] perhaps the IrCOPs need informing over in #freenode? [18:44] and my unfeasibly large nerf collection... [18:44] I've got my bopping thing [18:44] * diddledan_ bops daftykins [18:44] skippity beep-bop and Christopher Reeves ~ [18:45] that was a line in some Eminem i believe [18:45] popey: can you help me figure out libre office before I go grey please :) [18:45] popey: open up libre office [18:46] and do you see a left hand pane where you can add slides underneath each other [18:46] and then to the right you see the slide [18:46] what is the name of the left hand panel, mine is gone and trying to readd it [18:49] must be something like thumbnails/outline ? [18:51] it's just called slides... [18:52] or side pane? [18:52] slide pane rather [18:52] View, Slide Pane [18:55] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LauraCzajkowski/posts/1j1WYasa8UC?pid=6298721254376402514&oid=102921374554385564572 [18:55] so I got view slide pane in there [18:56] but it's just showing blanks and the slides to my right are not blank [18:56] :( [18:56] libre office why do you hate me so [18:59] YOLD! [18:59] that's pretty weird [18:59] I'm not old :( [19:01] haha that's not what that means [19:03] what does it mean so ? [19:04] year of the Linux desktop! my little tease line :) [19:04] ah gotcha [19:04] which is in fact OLD ! :) [19:04] slides should do it [19:04] the phrase? :) [19:04] yet cannot for the life of me make it display [19:04] maybe you have to close and re-open for some unknown reason o0 [19:04] aye [19:07] daftykins: oh for the love of jack daniels! [19:07] https://goo.gl/photos/AsoZeidjsjxhe1uU7 [19:07] so closing and reopening kinda fixed it [19:07] now if I could just the side pane to dock! [19:08] :D [19:08] i just Windows'd your problem [19:08] now you just need to move it around till it snaps in... i think... [19:09] narp [19:09] grumble [19:09] my system utterly locks up during i/o copy from usb->local disk [19:09] need to find the cpu scheduler to stop that [19:43] you should not work when you are tired and deppresive almost made something wrong but brain woke up and helped me in last second :P === MooDoo is now known as Guest42922 [20:25] didn't help me, just did a bad [20:25] :< [20:34] may all your recoverys be little ones... [20:34] also, i've been doing a dd for 25mins [20:35] surely there's a problem [20:35] only 4gb [20:35] sounds... wrong... [20:35] ah, just as i do a strace, it finished [20:35] forget a blocksize parameter to speed it up? [20:35] heh [20:36] maybe that woke up [20:39] my dog keeps eating feathers [20:41] can smell the bird from the feathers so has a nibble [20:41] had to extract it from the back of his mouth [20:42] like sticking a head in a croc mouth [20:42] dogs jaws aren't as strong as crocs [20:44] finished watching the #BBCDebate.... [20:45] oh i hope we will remain [20:45] =( [20:45] hello xnox [21:30] hi [21:30] lo === BBC-m-seeks-SSBB is now known as BBC-m-sks-SBBW === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away