[00:00] <k1l> Fizzik: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[00:00] <nacc> Fizzik: i think you'd just make a launcher that execs that specific file
[00:00] <k1l> make a own custom launcher.
[00:02] <Fizzik> Ok thanks
[00:03] <ufc205> hey guys I am running latest version of 64bit ubuntu but it seems kinda slow...
[00:03] <ufc205> I have an i7 processor as well
[00:04] <ufc205> Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM CPU @ 2.20GHz × 8
[00:04] <ufc205> 4GB Ram
[00:04] <ufc205> shouldnt that run it quickly?
[00:04] <DonaldTrump> ufc205: Did you try turning it off and on?
[00:04] <ufc205> :) haha ofc
[00:05] <Fizzik> of course d trump has such comments :P
[00:05] <ufc205> ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[00:05] <ufc205> is there something special I need to do to enable the i7 or something?
[00:05] <ufc205> how can I see if all 8 cores are being used?
[00:05] <nacc> ufc205: define 'kinda slow', that really doesn't say anything
[00:05] <k1l> ufc205: is it a ssd?
[00:06] <Fizzik> ufc205: it's only 4 cores btw.
[00:06] <k1l> ufc205: see systemsettings -> software and updates -> prop. drivers tab. maybe you missed the correct drivers
[00:06] <Fizzik> it could also be perhaps intel turbo boost or power management
[00:08] <Fizzik> 'Processor microcode. Intel-microcode. I enabled that althought I don't think it did anything to performance
[00:08] <ufc205> yea that what it says its using
[00:09] <Fizzik> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/microcode
[00:09] <ufc205> hrm still pretty slow overall vs windows 10 surprisingly
[00:09] <ufc205> mint seemed much faster
[00:09] <ufc205> maybe ill go back to that
[00:09] <k1l> ufc205: is it a ssd or hdd?
[00:09] <Fizzik> ufc205: are you using external monitor? does it have a dedicated nvidia card?
[00:11] <ufc205> its a hdd and yes using external monitor and no just onboard intel gfx
[00:11] <ufc205> Intel® Sandybridge Mobile
[00:14] <Fizzik> I'm getting tons of flooding in my dmesg with nouveau drivers using extneral monitor
[00:14] <Fizzik> [drm:drm_wait_vblank [drm]] *ERROR* Unsupported type value 0x133, supported mask 0x7400003f
[00:15] <Fizzik> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17624415/
[00:17] <Fizzik> going to try installing bumblebee and see if that fixes that
[00:18] <danmulvey> does anyone have any experience/thoughts/opinions on using zram (zram-config) with a slower computer?
[00:19] <danmulvey> the only problem im really having is that my browser (whether i use firefox or chrome) is constantly stalling/freezing
[00:20] <k1l> danmulvey: Lubuntu (which is made for old and slow hardware) already enables zram
[00:20] <danmulvey> k1l: ok cool, so it would be worth trying it out for me then?
[00:21] <danmulvey> im just using regular ubuntu, was thinking about ditching unity too though since ive been using xmonad recently anyways
[00:21] <danmulvey> not sure if that makes a difference though, from what i understand when i use xmonad, unity shouldnt be loading anyways right?
[00:23] <k1l> are you loading it from lightdm?
[00:23] <danmulvey> im choosing it when i log in
[00:23] <danmulvey> so i think so?
[00:24] <k1l> yes
[00:24] <danmulvey> sorry im still learning a lot of this stuff
[00:24] <k1l> i really suggest you try out Lubuntu if you are on slow/old hardware.
[00:27] <danmulvey> oh im on fairly recent hardware, it's a laptop that's about a year old
[00:27] <danmulvey> it has 3gb ram, so i think that's why i run into issues with firefox/chrome because i tend to open way too many tabs
[00:27] <danmulvey> but aside from that everything else runs great
[00:32] <SchrodingersScat> are there any downsides to using zram?
[00:32] <Agenomoto> There is no "php5" package in ubuntu 16.x lts?
[00:33] <mundus2018> Can someone help me with apache? http://apaste.info/94Q
[00:33] <SchrodingersScat> Agenomoto: correct, just php, which is now php7, afaik
[00:33] <teward> Agenomoto: php5 was replaced with php7.0.
[00:34] <teward> Agenomoto: php5 does not exist in the 16.04 repositories as a result of the replacing of it with the newer versions
[00:39] <Josy> Hello, I have a problem with my ubuntu install. After partitioning I have this kind of message (translated) " attempting to mount an ext4 file system encrypted volume on sda2_crypt / failed". Anyone know where it's from ?
[00:40] <nacc> Agenomoto: is mentioned in the release notes, as well
[00:40] <mundus2018> Can someone help me with apache? http://apaste.info/94Q
[00:46] <c0ryb4k3r> nickserv ident
[00:47] <Artemis3> danmulvey, with lubuntu you have more free ram available, it also comes with zram. use 32bit edition.
[00:47] <danmulvey> Artemis3: why 32bit?
[00:47] <Artemis3> uses less ram.
[00:48] <danmulvey> ahh
[00:48] <Artemis3> danmulvey, or try ubuntu-mate if you want something more friendly
[00:49] <Josy> Anyone please ?
[00:50] <k1l> 32bit is kind of dead. there is even no chrome for 32bit anymore.
[00:52] <Artemis3> there is always chromium
[00:52] <Artemis3> and opera and...
[00:52] <Artemis3> gazillion browsers using blink engine
[00:52] <danmulvey> im pretty happy with the ubuntu i've been running so far quite honestly
[00:57] <Agenomoto> SchrodingersScat:  teward MacCoaster  thanks
[00:57] <danmulvey> anyways, gotta run for a bit ill catch ya later, thanks everyone
[01:15] <Fizzik> I'm trying to manually add windows 10 to my grub config can't seem to find the windows 10 efi boot. Boot-repair doesn't help
[01:16] <Fizzik> http://paste2.org/0bVgsf3X
[01:20] <xubuntu62w> Can someone help me out with installation of WNA3100 drivers for xubuntu 16.04
[01:20] <xubuntu62w> please? :D
[01:25] <Fizzik> Can someone help me with my grub trying to dual boot to windows 10. I installed ubuntu after installing windows 10. Boot repair doesn't fix the issue
[01:25] <Fizzik> http://paste2.org/0bVgsf3X
[01:27] <nedstark> xubuntu62w, this explains how to install the driver using ndiswrapper http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2221251  It takes the broadcom bcm43231 driver apparently
[01:27] <Guest61505> when is unity 8 install on ubuntu?
[01:28] <Queenslayer> suspend mode ubuntu, anyone ever dealt with any issues like it?
[01:28] <Queenslayer> USB devices and monitor fails to operate after
[01:29] <xangua> Guest61505: if you mean when will come by default the answer is when it's ready, you can already try unity 8, emphasis on try
[01:29] <nedstark> there is an open kernel bug for suspend in 16.04 on some types of hardware, which is supposedly fixed by installing newer kernels
[01:30] <Queenslayer> nedstark, tried wily, didn't fix it
[01:30] <nedstark> some installed the 4.6 kernel to fix it
[01:30] <Queenslayer> On 4.4.0 at the mo
[01:31] <Queenslayer> thanks nedstark I'll try that
[01:31] <Queenslayer> And nedstark have you been keeping up with your bastard's story?
[01:31] <Mar0kK> possible to run XNU?
[01:31] <nedstark> not lately
[01:31] <Queenslayer> Get back into it, you'd be proud of him :P
[01:31] <nedstark> Mar0kK, yes, on a hackintosh
[01:31] <Mar0kK> I mean
[01:32] <Mar0kK> only XNU
[01:32] <Mar0kK> I am running on a Macintosh
[01:32] <Mar0kK> nedstark
[01:32] <nedstark> its a bsd kernel so it wouldn't play well with linux without a major rewrite to a distro
[01:32] <nedstark> debian used a bsd kernel for a version of debian 6
[01:32] <Mar0kK> nedstark possible to run like a system as bsd?
[01:33] <nedstark> its possible if you want to make a new distro
[01:33] <nedstark> a lot of work
[01:33] <master> I have a question?
[01:33] <Mar0kK> but I know nothing about system LOL
[01:33] <master> what is the best way to learn linux
[01:34] <Mar0kK> find a teacher I guess
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> master: Define "learn". Just, as a user, sysadmin, Bash?
[01:34] <nedstark> master, youtube videos can help
[01:34] <nedstark> there are a lot of them that go into detail on how to use linux
[01:35] <master> yes
[01:36] <master> I want have a firm grip on how to use the terminal
[01:36] <master> and other functions within linux back box ?
[01:36] <CodeMouse92> master: In the way of books, I personally LOVE "The Linux Command Line" by William E. Shotts
[01:37] <Bashing-om> !terminal | master
[01:37] <CodeMouse92> master: Which you can read free online from the author (or buy the book, whichever): http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php/
[01:38] <CodeMouse92> He starts from absolute bare-bones never-used-the-terminal introduction, all the way up into advanced concepts
[01:39] <Mar0kK> master
[01:39] <Mar0kK> That's all I know: cd, ls, pwd
[01:50] <mundus2018> Im getting this when I try to enable a site, http://apaste.info/94Q
[01:53] <FishPencil> Looking for a decent email client. Suggestions?
[01:58] <nedstark> FishPencil: Thunderbird, Evolution, Geary, or for KDE try Trojlta or Kmail
[01:59] <Queenslayer> hey nedstark
[01:59] <nedstark> yes?
[01:59] <Queenslayer> Tried 4.6.0 and it's sort of crashed
[02:00] <nedstark> did you select the old one in grub?
[02:00] <Queenslayer> Have to press the power button long enough to resume from suspend but not too long that it switches off
[02:00] <Queenslayer> Used grub customiser
[02:00] <Queenslayer> Update-grub command didn't seem to work.  It was still using 4.4.0 so had to change it via customiser
[02:01] <Queenslayer> But suspend is recoverable but the screen doesn't switch off and cannot be resumed with mouse or keyboard
[02:01] <Queenslayer> -But, Now
[02:04] <Queenslayer> nedstark, worth trying different kernels?
[02:05] <nedstark> Queenslayer, the bug is still open and i'm not sure they have a definitive answer, it appears nobody is working on it
[02:05] <nedstark> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1566302
[02:05] <Queenslayer> lol. just my luck :(
[02:05] <nedstark> status "won't fix"
[02:05] <nedstark> that's not too encouraging
[02:05] <Queenslayer> I'm trying 4.2
[02:06] <Queenslayer> thanks for that
[02:06] <Queenslayer> At least i know not to wait it out
[02:07] <nedstark> here's a related bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1589139
[02:07] <Queenslayer> nedstark, I'm on a desktop
[02:07] <Queenslayer> But encouraging that this particular link is HP as my desktop is HP
[02:08] <Queenslayer> 4.4.11 or 4.4.12, I'll try both
[02:11] <nedstark> it appears the mainline/upstream kernels are working ok, but not the ones in the ubuntu repo
[02:12] <Queenslayer> I've not used them from repo
[02:12] <Laslo7_> hey all I have an issue starting 15.10.  I get a low graphics mode with my 7950.  I can start through the recovery mode and just resuming.  I am using fglrx.  Any pointers?
[02:16] <Aziz> hi
[02:16] <plop_its_ellie> Laslo7_, after it boots from recovery it works ok?
[02:18] <Aziz> excuse me do any budy have idea about how run the wind application
[02:18] <Laslo7_> plop_its_ellie, Yeah everything works great, games, videos, etc
[02:18] <Aziz> soeer ** wine
[02:18] <plop_its_ellie> Laslo7_, go into /etc/default/grub and replace quiet with text
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> then go into the command linue and type update-grub in the command line as root
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> er replace splash with text
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> not quiet
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> it should boot fine without having to go into recovery mode
[02:20] <plop_its_ellie> but it will be a text boot
[02:20] <plop_its_ellie> keep in mind 15.10 will lose support and fglrx is not supported in 16.04, the open source amd drivers work pretty well tho especially for radeonsi cards like yours
[02:21] <Laslo7_> I will give it a whirl
[02:22] <nedstark> phoronix doesn't think they work so well
[02:23] <plop_its_ellie> nedstark, its not perfect atm but it works pretty well and improving rapidly, much more stable than fglrx as well
[02:23] <plop_its_ellie> i take phoronix stuff with a grain of salt anyways
[02:24] <Aziz> hello could any budy help me please
[02:24] <plop_its_ellie> Aziz, whats wrong
[02:24] <pull_my_finger> Aziz, kick it out
[02:24] <Aziz> i would like to run spss application on ubuntu 14 OS
[02:25] <plop_its_ellie> spss?
[02:25] <Aziz> yes
[02:25] <plop_its_ellie> what is that
[02:25] <Aziz> its some thing like EXCEL
[02:25] <pull_my_finger> hooray!!!
[02:25] <Aziz> but not EXCEL
[02:25] <plop_its_ellie> oh
[02:25] <plop_its_ellie> theres libre office calc
[02:25] <pull_my_finger> coup_de_shitlord, nice nickname
[02:26] <pull_my_finger> i wanna date Siri
[02:26] <Aziz> so i installed wine application but i don't know how i can use it
[02:27] <pull_my_finger> Aziz, insatlled and loaded?
[02:27] <plop_its_ellie> wine applications dont always work just so you know
[02:27] <Aziz> i see
[02:27] <Aziz> so what the solution to run .exe file
[02:28] <plop_its_ellie> but if you sais the installation went successfully it should be in the dash
[02:28] <black_sunshine> wine <exe file> on terminal
[02:28] <pull_my_finger> Aziz, whats ahppening?
[02:28] <plop_its_ellie> Aziz, why do you need .exe's?
[02:28] <plop_its_ellie> its not windows
[02:29] <plop_its_ellie> i would only recommend wine for very specific programs you need and there isnt a good linux alternitive to it
[02:29] <Aziz> because there's no SPSS for ubuntu
[02:29] <Aziz> and i need to do some work with it
[02:30] <plop_its_ellie> Aziz, ah im looking up the program right now, it apparently works well in wine
[02:30] <plop_its_ellie> so i would recommend using something called playonlinux, its used for managing wine applications
[02:30] <plop_its_ellie> sudo apt-get install playonlinux
[02:31] <plop_its_ellie> then i can help you out from there
[02:31] <pull_my_finger> ahn?
[02:31] <plop_its_ellie> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7665
[03:09] <Prelude2004cXXX> hey guys.. question
[03:10] <Prelude2004cXXX> running ubuntu 14.. i have installed libfdk-aac dev and regular .. and also libfreetype
[03:10] <Prelude2004cXXX> yet when i try and compile things like ffmpeg it complains that it does not exist
[03:10] <Prelude2004cXXX> anything i can do ?
[03:10] <Prelude2004cXXX> ldconfig doesn't do anything
[03:10] <Prelude2004cXXX> any insight would be greatly appreciated
[03:11] <pennTeller> guys does anybody know of a way to search all the files in my OS for an email that is not @myemail.com?
[03:11] <pennTeller> is this even possible?
[03:19] <greydawg> so here I was wring an upstart job
[03:20] <fabi> hi there
[03:20] <fabi> can someone help me with my ubuntu maas installation?
[03:20] <greydawg> and init-checkconf was not found so I did install upstart and init-checkconf worked but sudo start some_job returned Failed to Connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart
[03:20] <greydawg> Connection Refused
[03:22] <fabi> I have generated a ssh key and uploaded it to MAAS, as well as allocated the node to the user where I uploaded the key but for some reason after successfully deploying the node I can't access it via ssh and my key - any ideas?
[03:25] <nbros652> Anyone know of a decent replacement for pamusb? It would appear that pamusb is not in the 16.04 repos.
[03:28] <Bashing-om> !info pamusb-common
[03:29] <nbros652> Bashing-om, right, like I said, it doesn't exist in 16.04... looking for a replacement.
[03:34] <pvsharov> nbros652: you can add repos from earler release
[03:35] <django> hi
[03:36] <django> anybody knows how to ins tall audio driver
[03:36] <nbros652> pvsharov, I hadn't thought of that, and have never tried that. If a given package (thinking of dependencies) exists in say both trusty and xenial repos, what kind of problems might this create?
[03:37] <eltema> hi
[03:38] <pvsharov> nbros652: i think you will no have problems with it. Just try and see.
[03:38] <nbros652> pvsharov, thanks
[03:38] <pvsharov> it's required only pamusb-tools for workinkg
[03:39] <pvsharov> no more dependencies
[03:40] <pvsharov> eltema: hi
[03:41] <pennTeller> guys anybody know how to search for a particular string all the files in my ubuntu isntall?
[03:42] <Shed-34046> ello lads i got a question.
[03:42] <Shed-34046> should SWAP be working on the live USB?
[03:43] <pvsharov> Shed-34046: yeah, if you have it inabled
[03:43] <Shed-34046> pvsharov how do you enable it
[03:44] <nbros652> pennTeller, check out grep
[03:44] <Ben64> Shed-34046: sudo swapon <swap device>
[03:44] <Shed-34046> Ben64 could my current device i am on be used
[03:45] <pvsharov> Shed-34046: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-add-swap-space-on-ubuntu-16-04
[03:45] <Shed-34046> thank you.
[03:45] <Ben64> it needs to be formatted as swap
[03:45] <Shed-34046> Ben64 so say i could use my SD card slot tray on my laptop and it can format the sd card to be used for it? sweet
[03:46] <pvsharov> Ben64: it may be just swapfile
[03:46] <Ben64> Shed-34046: why
[03:46] <Ben64> sd card is too slow
[03:46] <plop_its_ellie> if you happen to runlow on memory and hit that swapfile on the sd card, it will be veeeeeeery slow
[03:46] <Flannel> Why would you use an SD card for a swapfile?
[03:46] <Shed-34046> I don't know.
[03:47] <pvsharov> Shed-34046: you should create swapfile and locate it on your usb device
[03:47] <Ben64> no, too slow
[03:47] <plop_its_ellie> ^
[03:47] <plop_its_ellie> why not just put a swap partition on the hdd
[03:47] <Flannel> USB would be faster than SD, if you absolutely needed swap.
[03:48] <Ben64> Flannel: not necessarily
[03:48] <Ben64> tons of slow flash drives around
[03:48] <pvsharov> plop_its_ellie: hi
[03:48] <plop_its_ellie> a usb2 usb stick would be just as slow as an sd card
[03:48] <plop_its_ellie> hi pvsharov
[03:50] <pvsharov> Anyway I thing you don't need swap on liveusb, because system use ram instead hdd for working
[03:51] <plop_its_ellie> speaking of swap, i noticed clonezilla doesnt properly clone swap partitions
[03:52] <plop_its_ellie> tried to clone an ubuntu install and the swap file came out as an "unknown partition"
[03:52] <pvsharov> swap do not make your system faster
[03:52] <plop_its_ellie> i know
[03:52] <plop_its_ellie> i still make a small swap partition just in case
[03:52] <pvsharov> in this case
[03:55] <Backwards> Swap file does make your system faster.
[03:55] <Backwards> You need to understand how it works.
[03:55] <plop_its_ellie> o_O
[03:56] <Backwards> There is a better way to use a SWAP file.
[03:57] <Backwards> If you use Windows the so-called swap file is called: "Contiguous file."
[03:57] <plop_its_ellie> the page file
[03:57] <Backwards> It also depends upon the amount of RAM you have.
[03:58] <Backwards> SWAP is a PAGE file PLOP. Good point.
[03:58] <Backwards> With Windows the swap file or contiguous file loads up when you use your computer.
[03:59] <plop_its_ellie> i know
[03:59] <Ben64> windows isn't on topic here
[03:59] <pvsharov> heheh, okaaayyy ))) Tell me more )))
[03:59] <Backwards> If your RAM is short then the swap file crams up and then you crash or things don't work.
[03:59] <Backwards> I am not talking about Windows.
[03:59] <abhishek> anyway to take snapshot of specific window in kde?
 With Windows....
[04:00] <abhishek> via a python script
[04:00] <Backwards> With Ubuntu and Linux you can use a separate hard drive and use that as a swap drive.
[04:01] <pvsharov> Backwards: joker ))
[04:01] <Backwards> The SWAP Drive will hold more data, hence, makes the hardware run faster.
[04:01] <Ben64> that's not how swap works
[04:01] <Backwards> OK you know everything.
[04:03] <Backwards> Read this first.  http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/swap-partition/
[04:03] <Backwards> There are Swap partitions, space and drives. Do your homework.
[04:04] <pvsharov> Backwards: https://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Linux-System-Administration-Handbook/dp/0131480057
[04:04] <Backwards> Let me get another beer and read that handbook.
[04:06] <pvsharov> Backwards: I have read this book, but third edition
[04:06] <Backwards> The same principal applies with Windows. Lots of Technicians don't know that you can take the contiguous file and swap it with on a hard drive.
[04:07] <pvsharov> Backwards: we tell about liveusb, if you remember
[04:07] <Backwards> A swap file has limitations. A hard drive that is large has none.
[04:08] <pvsharov> Backwards: liveusb, no hdd
[04:08] <pvsharov> and any harddrives
[04:09] <Backwards> USB is another story. I was trying to help others to understand that there are more ways to use swap. You can use a USB as a SWAP drive too.
[04:09] <Ben64> a terrible one
[04:09] <plop_its_ellie> swap should only be used in emergencies
[04:09] <pvsharov> urrrr
[04:09] <plop_its_ellie> you really dont wanna have to use swap
[04:10] <plop_its_ellie> especially if the swap is on the same drive as the os
[04:10] <plop_its_ellie> not only is disk much slower than ram, but it can take up your disk io especially on the os drive
[04:11] <Backwards> Plop the bottom line is this if you don't have lots of RAM then SWAP is important. Otherwise you are correct.
[04:11] <Ben64> if you don't have lots of ram, and you run out consistently, get more ram
[04:11] <plop_its_ellie> ^
[04:12] <Backwards> Amen to that Ben64      <-----<   Take a bow.
[04:12] <pvsharov> Backwards: okay, you win in trolling
[04:14] <pvsharov> Backwards: you really thing we are so stupid and have no knowledge about it?
[04:14] <pvsharov> sorry
[04:15] <Backwards> No one suggested that Pvsharov.
[04:19] <codepython777> how do i setup my wireless network so that one node talks to another in ad-hoc mode without talking to a router?
[04:20] <pvsharov> codepython777: you nedd setup Aceess Point?
[04:21] <Backwards> 777 if you use wireless you need a router.
[04:21] <Ben64> not true
[04:21] <codepython777> Ben64: thanks
[04:21] <codepython777> pvsharov: I dont have access point. I just need the machines to talk to each other
[04:22] <Backwards> Setting up a NETWORK you need a router or switch.
[04:22] <Ben64> hmm... nope
[04:22] <Backwards> Oh! So use a Walkie Talkie?
[04:23] <Ben64> not sure what your deal is
[04:23] <pvsharov> codepython777: in your wifi network settings just select mode ad-hoc
[04:23] <codepython777> pvsharov: how are the ips assigned to the nodes?
[04:25] <pvsharov> codepython777: what ips?
[04:25] <codepython777> pvsharov: how do i communicate between two ad-hoc nodes? Can I give them static IPs?
[04:25] <Ben64> yes, static
[04:26] <pvsharov> codepython777: yeah
[04:26] <codepython777> cool
[04:27] <codepython777> pvsharov: if i have two wireless cards, I can make one ad-hoc and the other one something else, right?
[04:27] <Ben64> what is your goal with all this
[04:27] <codepython777> Ben64: I've a few machines that need to talk to each other - there is no internet in the room
[04:28] <Ben64> use an ethernet cable
[04:28] <Backwards> Use a HUB
[04:29] <pvsharov> codepython777: second NIC is not required
[04:29] <ugentu> Hi, I'm doing some Bash scripting, running scripts via the Terminator program. When I run cd to a folder then run a script it works fine. Then when I edit the data that the script reads and re-run the script, the script runs and reads in the old data file.. that doesn't exist anymore?? If I cd up a folder then back down, the script runs with the new data file
[04:31] <pvsharov> ugentu: it's normal
[04:32] <Backwards> 777 check this website:   http://www.webopedia.com/DidYouKnow/Hardware_Software/router_switch_hub.asp
[04:32] <ugentu> pvsharov: It's led to a lot of headache :P Do you know what the issue is called? I've been having trouble finding a solution...
[04:33] <Ben64> ugentu: depends exactly whats going on. if a file is open and then modified or deleted, the process that has it opened still has access to how it was before the change
[04:35] <ugentu> Ben64: So the whole process is: run script with data file in terminal -> works fine. Open the data file in a GUI program without using the terminal, edit and save the data file. Re-run the script from the same terminal that was kept open -> uses old data file
[04:38] <W00dP3ck3r> Can i make my ubuntu machine a podcast server?
[04:39] <W00dP3ck3r> !podcast
[04:39] <pvsharov> W00dP3ck3r: yes, you can
[04:48] <needsSexyHelp> hey guys. i know this is off-topic but i really need some suggestions. i had all my games on steam gifted to me and my account is not 'fully' activated - i can't add people etc.. i am looking for an at least 5 euros game to buy but not very expensive that is interesting and fun in your opinion so that my account will be 'fully activated'. thanks a
[04:48] <needsSexyHelp> lot.
[04:50] <feneco> you want a game suggestion? try braid, limbo
[04:52] <needsSexyHelp> thank you feneco. they look nice. but i'd like more suggestions before i decide if possible
[04:53] <feneco> needsSexyHelp: what kind of game you like? maybe there's a channel for that too
[04:54] <Gallomimia> there's a #gamingonlinux channel
[04:54] <feneco> there it is
[04:54] <virtuosoj> Running Ubuntu 16.04, absolutely love Unity DE, but when playing some games under Wine, Compiz doesn't handle the windows so well
[04:54] <needsSexyHelp> feneco: i usually game only when i am really bored so most things work.. Gallomimia ok thanks. i will paste my request there too
[04:55] <virtuosoj> What alternative WM/DE should I install that will do better?
[04:55] <Gallomimia> my favorite game is Nuclear Dawn
[04:55] <Gallomimia> it's about $10 but was just on sale for 2
[04:55] <needsSexyHelp> i see
[05:33] <mintux> i could not understand my load is on 100 but cpu and ram is not used http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/16/0621/h_1466487188_1849199_e00a639766.jpeg
[05:34] <dal> Hi
[05:34] <dal> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 on a liveboot system
[05:35] <hateball> mintux: I/O is also used when determining load
[05:35] <dal> When I try to "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" for all my packages, I get "is not a debian format archive" for like everything!
[05:35] <mintux> hateball: my ram is full and also swap. how can i ensure it's disk
[05:35] <dal> Can anyone give me suggestions? thanks
[05:36] <hateball> mintux: well using swap will use disk...
[05:52] <dal> Hi
[05:52] <dal> I am running Ubuntu 12.04 as a liveboot system.
[05:52] <dal> When I try to "sudo dpkg -i" *.deb" all my packages to install them, I get "is not a debian format archive" for like everything!
[05:52] <dal> Can someone provide a suggestion? thanks
[05:53] <hateball> dal: No one knows what "all your packages" are.
[05:54] <hateball> dal: Why are you not using apt-get ?
[05:55] <dal> hateball: Because I only understand how to use "sudo apt-get install" for installing over internet. I use "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" to install from local hard drive.
[05:56] <kknight> sudo apt-get update
[05:57] <dal> hateball: my "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" scheme was working for older .DEBs, but seems to no longer work with today's .DEBs....it is odd!
[05:57] <plop_its_ellie> no it should work
[05:58] <hateball> dal: You're still not giving any useful information
[05:58] <plop_its_ellie> dal, you are using a very outdated version of ubuntu, 12.04 support ends next year too
[05:58] <hateball> dal: If you're installing from debs, what are they, and where did you get them from?
[05:58] <plop_its_ellie> also you need to have the propper dependencies or else the installation will fail
[05:59] <zhongfu> dal: sounds like your packages (at least, some of them) are corrupt
[05:59] <dal> plop_its_ellie: yes, I suspect the fact that I'm using 12.04 is part of the problem. "Long term stable" is a sort of strange phrase!
[05:59] <zhongfu> long term support*
[05:59] <zhongfu> normal releases are considered stable too, afaik
[05:59] <plop_its_ellie> dal, well it still has its place but it wont work to well if you are trying to run something modern
[06:00] <plop_its_ellie> unless the developer of said packages are stilll targteting 12.04
[06:00] <plop_its_ellie> i recommend using 14.04 instead
[06:00] <plop_its_ellie> however the issue you described sounds like you have corrupt packages or non debs in the mix
[06:00] <zhongfu> 16.04 LTS is out, and 16.04.1 LTS is coming out on July 21
[06:01] <plop_its_ellie> zhongfu, eh i would wait ~2-3 months after 16.04.1
[06:01] <zhongfu> ah, ic
[06:01] <dal> I wonder if, the most recent time I downloaded all my packages--i.e., today--something went wrong with the downloads
[06:01] <plop_its_ellie> ive been using 16.04 at work, there are some weird quirks here and there
[06:02] <zhongfu> haven't noticed anything much yet, although it might be related to me not using unity
[06:03] <plop_its_ellie> zhongfu, im not using unity either
[06:03] <dal> I ran this "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" and got "is not a debian format archive" for so many packages that I saw "Processing was halted because there were too many errors."
[06:03] <plop_its_ellie> dal, it sounds like they were not packaged correctly then
[06:03] <plop_its_ellie> if i may ask what are you trying to install
[06:04] <hateball> Well he's failed to provide that information thus far
[06:04] <zhongfu> dal: maybe try `file *.deb | grep -v "Debian binary package"`
[06:04] <dal> plop_its_ellie: I have a packages.txt that I use to guide me whenever I do this local repo update process, so to speak
[06:04] <plop_its_ellie> yea, definately something went wrong during the packaging
[06:05]  * plop_its_ellie does not have much experience in packaging beyond using check install
[06:05] <dal> plop_its_ellie: It has a list of...40-50 something packages, such as okular, xchat, filezilla, firefox...just, my programs and stuff
[06:05] <dal> hateball: you assume I am a "he"! I am, as it turns out.
[06:05] <zhongfu> dal: you'll be able to see which files aren't deb packages, and what those actually are
[06:06] <plop_its_ellie> dal, arent those packages in the repos
[06:06] <zhongfu> you could paste the result at http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[06:06] <dal> zhongfu: I ran that command, and it says "empty" under a lot of my packages
[06:06] <zhongfu> oh, that means they weren't actually downlaoded for some reason
[06:06] <zhongfu> they're just blank files
[06:07] <hateball> dal: Would you provide us with more detail if I address you 'she' or 'it'?
[06:07] <zhongfu> how are you downloading those packages?
[06:07] <dal> hateball: probably not, it's a full moon today and the walls between worlds are thin
[06:07] <dal> zhongfu: Interesting. I made sure my VPN was up before downloading the packages for security....I had to "apt-get install" openvpn for that
[06:08] <pennTeller> hi guys does anybody know of a good way to find all text files that have emails inside?
[06:08] <dal> zhongfu: I've had success doing my strange 'local repo update' thing in the past...maybe it would be most productive to just try again
[06:08] <dal> zhongfu: in the past being like half a year or more ago
[06:09] <dal> I think I am gonna try the download again from scratch
[06:09] <zhongfu> i'd say that's kind of a troublesome way of getting packages installed, tbh
[06:09] <dal> zhongfu: it is :(
[06:09] <zhongfu> maybe do checks the next time you download
[06:10] <zhongfu> iirc they have hashes of the packages in the ubuntu repos
[06:10] <dal> zhongfu: I'll try again...thanks for the help. I may be back
[06:10] <dal> thanks all
[06:10] <dal> even hateball
[06:13] <mimtf> history —> how can i use number?
[06:19] <PumpkinPie> Howdy, I'm wondering will dual booting Ubuntu with my UEFI laptop that i am on right now
[06:19] <hateball> mimtf: !<number>
[06:19] <mimtf> thanks hateball
[06:19] <PumpkinPie> it has windows 8 on it.. I am wanting to dual boot and maybe later on get rid of windows altogether..
[06:20] <PumpkinPie> If i do a dual boot and decide i don't need it no more.. It would be able to be deleted fairly easily right?
[06:20] <mimtf> then how can i install ssh on linux?
[06:20] <PumpkinPie> I just want something that is virus free. Able to do a few basic games. Have flash player. and browse the web fine without lag.
[06:21] <hateball> mimtf: Server or client?
[06:21] <mimtf> server
[06:21] <plop_its_ellie> PumpkinPie, yea, you can dual boot
[06:21] <plop_its_ellie> and you could easily erase windows later
[06:21] <hateball> mimtf: sudo apt install ssh
[06:21] <plop_its_ellie> ubuntu does all the things you listed perfectly
[06:21] <mimtf> sudo apt-get install openssh-server   <—— how about this? hateball ?
[06:22] <hateball> mimtf: Yes, that's the real package. ssh is a metapackage that provides both client and server
[06:22] <hateball> (and is shorter to type) ;d
[06:22] <mimtf> oh thanks hateball
[06:22] <PumpkinPie> plop_its_ellie I meant ubuntu would it be easy to remove ubuntu later on if i wanted to?
[06:23] <PumpkinPie> Would a simple delete of the partition i install it to remove it from the UEFI as well?
[06:25] <plop_its_ellie> PumpkinPie, not 100% sure, havent dual booted in a long time
[06:25] <plop_its_ellie> no wait yea you should be able to
[06:25] <plop_its_ellie> uefi is cleaner for dual boots than mbr
[06:31] <ducasse> PumpkinPie: you would just delete the ubuntu partition and the ubuntu directory from the efi partition, and all traces would be gone.
[06:31] <plop_its_ellie> ^^
[06:31] <PumpkinPie> ducasse so i would just have to mount the efi partition as a say drive I and find "Ubuntu" in it and delete it and unmount the efi partition?
[06:32] <ducasse> PumpkinPie: yes.
[06:32] <PumpkinPie> Thank you.
[06:32] <ducasse> PumpkinPie: no problem :)
[06:32] <PumpkinPie> windows has gotten on my nerves lately.. Everything just goes wrong for me on this OS.
[06:33] <PumpkinPie> Like tonight a random explorer.exe crash 5 times..
[06:33] <PumpkinPie> Then a system wide lock up.
[06:33] <plop_its_ellie> typical windows behavior
[06:33] <PumpkinPie> umm will ubuntu do the partitioning for me or do i need to do it?
[06:34] <plop_its_ellie> PumpkinPie, in the installer there is an option "install along side windows"
[06:34] <PumpkinPie> ok :)
[06:34] <PumpkinPie> i'm on intel pentium b960 and intel says it not compatible with Linux.. but as long as it works fast :D
[06:35] <plop_its_ellie> PumpkinPie, whaaaaaaat????
[06:35] <plop_its_ellie> linux works great on intel hardware
[06:35] <PumpkinPie> well they say that about my graphics card..
[06:35] <PumpkinPie> plop_its_ellie its the i think 2nd gen intel hd graphics?
[06:35] <plop_its_ellie> PumpkinPie, yea, support for intel gpus are great
[06:35] <PumpkinPie> sandy bridge i think
[06:36] <plop_its_ellie> intel makes very good linux drivers
[06:36] <ducasse> PumpkinPie: how much ram?
[06:36] <PumpkinPie> 4GB
[06:36] <PumpkinPie> 500GB HDD
[06:36] <ducasse> PumpkinPie: good :)
[06:36] <plop_its_ellie> you should be fine
[06:53] <AndrewMock> Why do AWS repos get so choked?
[06:53] <jsmp> whois/
[06:53] <jsmp> whois\
[06:53] <AndrewMock> do they get attacked?
[07:06] <jsmp> hello
[07:09] <Mar0kK> Hi
[07:12] <didik_swn> I've just installed Ubuntu 16.04 on my Lenovo Thinkpad e420s. Everything seems okay, till I found that the battery couldn't be charging. The AC power is detected but battery level stuck. Did anyone else ever get a problem like this?
[07:14] <Mar0kK> I don't have a Lenovo
[07:15] <Mar0kK> but I used my laptop to install ubuntu I reboot it and it lost the system XD
[07:21] <dal> Hey it worked
[07:22] <dal> I just downloaded "all my pakcages" again, and it worked
[07:22] <dal> it must have been a bad download, or maybe a bad copy from /var/cache/apt/archives to /media/[redacted]
[07:22] <Guest98611> hi guys, after changing language and deleting "english" amongst all the possible languages, it still is in english, rebooted etc didn't work. help? thanks
[07:22] <dal> zhongfu: thanks to you especially, that command that confirmed there was something wrong with the files
[07:23] <zhongfu> dal: just curious, what's your use case for that?
[07:23] <zhongfu> multiple Ubuntu computers on a single network?
[07:23] <jaggz> this is weird.  on my debian system iptables -F will delete a new table I've added.  but in this ubuntu system it doesn't
[07:24] <dal> zhongfu: hard to describe. It's a single laptop. But I want a thumbdrive with NOTHING on it except what UNetbootin and the like can put there
[07:24] <jaggz> iptables -N test; iptables -F  # Removes test, but not in my ubuntu
[07:24] <dal> zhongfu: people always lecture me about how I should have persistence stuff on the thumbdrive
[07:24] <zhongfu> huh, alright
[07:24] <dal> zhongfu: but, I have an internal hard drive with a single LUKS encrypted partition ,and that's how I want it!
[07:24] <Guest98611> jaggz, ubuntu uses ufw, try disableing it first
[07:25] <dal> zhongfu: A big problem is that Ubuntu 12.04 includes LibreOffice, which screws things up,
[07:25] <dal> zhongfu: I've been told I should switch to ARch Linux if I want a really clean system good for building live stuff from scratch
[07:25] <plop_its_ellie> whats wrong witl libre office?
[07:26] <Guest98611> yeah, what's wrong with libreoffice?!?!?!
[07:26] <dal> plop_its_ellie: well, like every time I boot, I have to deal with uninstalling and re-installing and stuff
[07:26] <dal> plop_its_ellie: the fact that the Ubuntu 12.04 distro comes with Libre Office already embedded, makes some of the "start from scratch" hrad
[07:26] <dal> plop_its_ellie: also, I've never been able to get the preferences file for Libre Office to work with my liveboot philosophy, the way Thunderbird and Firefox will
[07:26] <jaggz> Guest98611, same thing.. no change
[07:26] <jaggz> iptables -F just flushes all the tables but doesn't remove them
[07:27] <dal> plop_its_ellie: With Firefox and Thunderbird, I can just copy the prferences file over from the local hard drive to the RAM disk
[07:27] <dal> plop_its_ellie: and it's survived well like that for several years!
[07:27] <DevAntoine> hi
[07:27] <Guest98611> jaggz, to remove them remove /etc/iptables/iptables.rules or /path/to/iptables.rules in your system and re-make them (the rules) then save > iptables.rules again
[07:28] <dal> I gotta go. thanks all
[07:31] <warty> ha
[07:31] <warty> boris boris boris boris
[07:45] <zunuthman> Notify me
[07:47] <zunuthman> hello
[08:03] <blut_> is there a manpage to the tftp in the busybox on a netboot image?
[08:03] <jaggz> hmm.. I don't have an iptables.rules
[08:06] <blut_> also, how do i disable any and all network setup with kickstart?
[08:17] <Netek> hi all, we are migrating our server to another host and we are considering using mariadb instead of mysql.  Will sites hosting WordPress and some codeigniter sites database work out of the box in MariaDB or would I need to make modifications?
[08:19] <ducasse> Netek: you would need to ask people familiar with those apps.
[08:20] <Netek> ducasse I will make more research
[08:25] <Jansemon> Hi all! Got a new HP ProLiant DL120 Gen9 with a SmartHBA H240 controller, which is certified by hp/Ubuntu. Unfortunately, Ubuntu Server 16.04 has MASSIVE (we're talking over 14 times slower!) IO Problems.
[08:26] <Jansemon> Any idea? 14.04 on same hw is a bit faster than my four year old server (with 4 VMs and 8GB RAM), but as soon as I use 16.04, io bound processes are not getting over 5% CPU utilization, becaus top says "disk wait" (D)
[08:26] <Jansemon> (in the state column is a 'D')
[08:27] <Jansemon> in numbers: apt-get install gitlab-ce on 14.04 roughly 1min - on 16.04 it takes more than 17min!
[08:31] <rbasak> Jansemon: certifications are per-release. Is there a 16.04 certification?
[08:32] <rbasak> Jansemon: it might be worth trying the latest upstream kernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[08:32] <Jansemon> yes, I think so...
[08:33] <\9> rbasak: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201509-19593/ looks like it
[08:34] <Venko> Good morning all
[08:35] <Venko> I was planning on buying this laptop for my grandma and then wiping the internal SSD and installing Ubuntu for her: https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Zenbook-UX305CA-FB005T-Windows-802-11ac/dp/B019KZVESM/
[08:35] <Venko> I found this on the community wiki and it all seems fine: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook
[08:35] <Venko> Is that guide applicable to the zenbook that I've selected?
[08:38] <meet> Helo
[08:38] <nader> hi
[08:38] <nader> meet welcome
[08:38] <nader> im new hear
[08:38] <meet> Hoow d we move cursor of mouse using keyboard
[08:38] <meet> in ubuntu mate?
[08:38] <nader> my english 50%
[08:38] <nader> sorry
[08:39] <bollo> Venko: I would suggest a thinkpad instead
[08:39] <Venko> bollo: What's wrong with the zenpad?
[08:40] <bollo> Venko: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Lenovo/
[08:40] <Venko> Aha awesome
[08:40] <croose> hi
[08:40] <nader> hi
[08:41] <Venko> Now I need to find her a new similar spec laptop on Amazon.co.uk that's a similar price!
[08:41] <nader> welcome
[08:41] <mapring> Hi
[08:41] <bollo> Venko: L460 perhaps
[08:43] <Venko> bollo: It seems like Amazon doesn't personally sell them in the UK
[08:43] <Venko> d'oh
[08:50] <nur_> hi
[08:50] <nur_> anyone into bitcoin?
[08:50] <k1l> nur_: i guess the #bitcoin people are
[08:50] <nur_> ok
[08:57] <MondinoWareZ> !Hola mundo¡
[09:01] <ordu> slm
[09:04] <Squall5668> Jansemon: have you tried running iotop? Should tell you which process is using the disk when you are having problems. If the hardware is supported and you are having this problem on a fresh install, you might want to try reporting this as a bug
[09:09] <anddam> I have an HFS+ usb memory carrying data for an OS X and an Ubuntu 14.04 hosts, when I insert the usb memory into the ubuntu computer it gets automounted in /media/myuser/<UUID> but in order to write on that I have to specify force,rw as options, also while doing this I get wrong permissions even if I'm passing uid=,gid= options to mount
[09:10] <anddam> question: is there a way to assign specific options to an UUID while keeping automounting?
[09:10] <anddam> i.e. I like the fact that the media is under /media/myuser/ but I'd like to add specific options rather than putting an entry in fstab and having to manually mount the device
[09:10] <k1l> hfs+ doesnt have proper proper write support. that is why its read only on default.
[09:11] <anddam> I read about the journaling thing
[09:11] <anddam> I'm now removing the journaling from the fs
[09:11] <anddam> but the question still applies, is there a way to "customize" automount on a per-UUID basis?
[09:11] <ikonia> anddam: in what way customize it
[09:11] <anddam> I understand that's not the best FS to exchange data between multiple computers but gives osx limitations it's the best option I found
[09:12] <ikonia> fat32
[09:12] <anddam> ikonia: by specifying "when this UUID gets automounted add this mount options"
[09:12] <anddam> ikonia: it's not a very good option
[09:12] <ikonia> why is fat32 not a good option /
[09:12] <anddam> ikonia: fat32 doesn't retain uid/gid/modes AFAIR
[09:12] <k1l> you can use autofs, udev or even fstab should work
[09:13] <ikonia> uid/gid modes ?
[09:13] <ikonia> autofs is the automounter
[09:13] <anddam> no, uid, gid, and modes
[09:13] <ikonia> anddam: it has no permissions, but then hfs+ has no safe write
[09:13] <blut_> hello
[09:13] <anddam> as in UFS attributes
[09:13] <ikonia> I'd rather have no permissions than damaged file systems
[09:13] <blut_> i can't find a useful documentation on how to setup kickstart and pxe
[09:13] <anddam> ikonia: what do you mean by "safe" write?
[09:14] <blut_> I want to make a static network configuration in the pxeboot, to avoid any "automatic network detection"
[09:14] <ikonia> anddam: write is not stable in hfs
[09:14] <ikonia> hence why it' snot enabled
[09:14] <anddam> so far it's written anything flawlessy, I understand it's not considered "stable" but it does the job
[09:14] <ikonia> well, a long as it worked once for you, that means it's totally safe to use going forward
[09:14] <anddam> ok, I'll look into write status for hfs in order to be more aware
[09:15] <blut_> I'm looking for some sort of kernel append command
[09:19] <jeffrey_f> So, I created a folder call Stuff.  I did a find . -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec mv {} Stufff \;     That worked, however all of my files are in a file now.  HOW to recover?
[09:19] <blut_> uhm
[09:19] <Triffid_Hunter> jeffrey_f: nope, all your files are deleted except the last one
[09:19] <blut_> i con't think you can
[09:19] <ducasse> jeffrey_f: restore from backup
[09:19] <Triffid_Hunter> jeffrey_f: restore from your backup
[09:20] <jeffrey_f> Dang fat finger!  always smashing an extra key!!!  I thought so.  Thanks  <wanders off with head hung low>
[09:21] <jeffrey_f> deja dup??
[09:22] <jeffrey_f> well crap, that wasn't loaded anyway.  Never mind!
[09:26] <blut_> jeffrey_f: If you plan on moving many files often I can also recommend you learn a little bit of bash
[09:27] <jeffrey_f> blut_: I know bash, i just fat fingered an extra character onto my destination.  BUT I hear ya!  More like double check before smashing the enter key
[09:27] <blut_> jeffrey_f: I constantly use stuff like 'for file in *regex*; do sort ${file} ${file##*.}_srt.dat; done'
[09:27] <blut_> or that
[09:28] <avcoe> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:28] <Triffid_Hunter> jeffrey_f: with stuff like that I ensure tab completion works.. a slash on the end of that path would have saved you :P
[09:28] <jeffrey_f> G'night all
[09:28] <blut_> Triffid_Hunter: that can become really tricky on ssh commands
[09:29] <tr1gg3r> i have some trouble with a fresh postgresql-9.5 installation running on LTS-16.04 (server). for some reason it's not possible to connect to it (using the stuff here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL)
[09:29] <tr1gg3r> any help/ideas are greatly appreciated. :)
[09:32] <C_minus> Had a hardware failure, so Dell guy came round and swapped a bunch of parts. Hard drive is removed. I put it in a caddy and connected it to another laptop (macbook pro), and I can only see my Win7 partition, not my Ubuntu partition.
[09:32] <C_minus> I need to see Ubuntu partition to recover various files.
[09:32] <Triffid_Hunter> C_minus: then put it in something that understands linux filesystems, ie a linux bobx
[09:33] <Triffid_Hunter> box*
[09:33] <C_minus> Ah I see. In that case I might try booting to Ubuntu Live USB environment because everything else around me is Apple (how awful, right?!)
[09:34] <Triffid_Hunter> C_minus: heh it seems to work for some, I can't use it though :P
[09:36] <Venko> So the same spec thinkpad is about £400 more
[09:37] <Venko> So back onto https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Zenbook-UX305CA-FB005T-Windows-802-11ac/dp/B019KZVESM/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook
[09:38] <Venko> Does it look OK to you guys?
[09:38] <ducasse> Venko: there is a good reason for that. thinkpads tend to use quality components.
[09:39] <TanNguyen> ducasse: But these day Lenovo tends to make Thinkpads "gay" computers
[09:40] <TanNguyen> ducasse: I tried my best to keep my X61 usable for years, but then had to give up when my 6th battery failed.
[09:40] <Li> how can I install multiple font files from terminal?
[09:41] <Li> I'm trying fc-cache but it keeps failing
[09:41] <k1l> TanNguyen: dont use gay as an insult. thanks.
[09:41] <TanNguyen> ducasse: I hate to say this, but these day it's very hard to find a better machine for *nix lover other than a mac
[09:41] <Triffid_Hunter> TanNguyen: how about anything with pageup and home keys?
[09:41] <TanNguyen> k11: please don't misunderstand me, I don't use "gay" as an insult, I mean the machine is not as durable as before
[09:42] <Multbrelch> Hi all. Can I also ask a question about Ubuntu phone in this room?
[09:42] <ducasse> Venko: those specs look good to me, except i can't find the wifi chipset. the rest should be fine.
[09:42] <ducasse> Multbrelch: try #ubuntu-touch
[09:43] <Venko> ducasse: Thanks for checking for me <3
[09:43] <Multbrelch> ducasse, it seems that nobody is there
[09:43] <Multbrelch> may be I have to wait
[09:43] <k1l> TanNguyen: its still a bad usage of the word. which we dont want in here.
[09:43] <Venko> I agree about quality components but I don't have the budget for my grandma here. Spending £1,200 on her is a little too much for me for a laptop that she won't use all that much.
[09:43] <Li> maybe I should ask linux about ubuntu questions
[09:43] <ducasse> Venko: no problem, but i would try to find out about the wifi before buying. bad wifi chipsets can give you terrible headaches.
[09:43] <TanNguyen> Triffid_Hunter: I use a new key binding, and iTerm is capable of setting key binding in your terminal if you need a GUI
[09:44] <TanNguyen> k11: Sorry about that. I will make sure that do not happen again
[09:44] <TanNguyen> And sorry to everyone here who was insulted by my tactless usage of the word
[09:45] <k1l> TanNguyen: ok, thanks.
[09:45] <lapion> is there any way to unload the i915 module if kms depends on it ?
[09:46] <Venko> ducasse: Any idea how I'd go about that?
[09:47] <bollo> Venko: Why your grandma would need SSD and other fance stuff is beyond me but sure go ahead :) At work I use a £450 thinkpad that has ubuntu working perfectly ootb
[09:47] <ducasse> Venko: check the manufacturer website, or contact them or the seller and ask?
[09:47] <anddam> Venko: what about a chromebook for grandma?
[09:48] <Venko> anddam: She loves her Ubuntu though. She's been updating it on her own on a really really old desktop for about 6 years without any of my help. She's been using Ubuntu for about 8 years in total.
[09:48] <C_minus> I'm in a live USB environment, got my old HDD from dead computer connected thru a caddy and an external HDD to back up recovered files to. When copying through Nautilus it says I don't have permission to copy.
[09:49] <C_minus> How do either navigate to the dead laptop's HDD through terminal, or get a sudo-powered Nautilus. I'm copying from my dead laptop's old home directory.
[09:49] <Li> done
[09:49] <C_minus> *Trying to copy
[09:50] <TanNguyen> C_minus: use a mount command with -o ro,uid=.... to mount the partition properly
[09:50] <TanNguyen> the "ro" ensures you only use the old partition as read-only
[09:50] <TanNguyen> and the uid=... will gives you proper access to the partition
[09:50] <Venko> ducasse: https://www.asus.com/uk/Notebooks/ASUS-ZenBook-UX305CA/ this is the asus listing but I don't see any actual chipset
[09:51] <TanNguyen> Venko: There is a discussion in Reddit about the bad wifi chipset here https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3svv6s/dont_buy_the_new_ux305ca_zenbooks_yet/
[09:52] <Venko> TanNguyen: "EDIT: As of February 2016, the laptop works great if you use Linux Kernel 4.5. I'm using it as my main laptop and did not experience crashes with the 4.5 kernel. The touchpad works great. The brightness buttons are not working but you can set the brightness from software or by defining a custom hotkey for it. I did not test the HDMI output."
[09:52] <Venko> Does that meant it works now?
[09:53] <ducasse> Venko: with an unsupported kernel.
[09:55] <Venko> D'oh. Why is the hardware support not reaching Ubuntu's kernel?
[09:55] <ducasse> Venko: it will after 16.10 gets released.
[09:56] <Venko> ducasse: OK cheers
[09:56] <gokul> join
[09:56] <TanNguyen> Venko: 4.5 kernel will get supports when 16.10 gets released https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Support
[09:56] <gokul> help
[09:56] <Venko> I don't know what to do. I don't want to spend more than £600 really but I don't want her to have a crappy laptop.
[09:57] <ducasse> Venko: kernels from later releases are made available for lts releases.
[09:57] <gokul> ping google.com
[09:57] <TanNguyen> Venko: But maybe that is ok, your grandma kept an Ubuntu machine running for 6 years, I think she might like living on the edge with a new kernel?
[09:58] <Venko> TanNguyen: Well I want to leave her able to just keep using the updates every six months herself ideally.
[10:00] <C_minus_> TanNguyen just to be clear you mean somethign like "sudo mount /dev/sdb5 -o ro, uuid="1234567..."
[10:02] <TanNguyen> C_minus: - Find out your UID by echo $UID
[10:03] <TanNguyen> C_minus: - Find out the partition name by dmesg (look among the last lines, you will see something line sdb: sdb1, sdb2
[10:03] <ducasse> or 'lsblk'.
[10:04] <TanNguyen> C_minus: - Mount that partition as readonly for your user by sudo mount -o ro,uid=YOUR_UID_HERE,ext4(or2) /dev/sdb... MOUNT_POINT
[10:04] <TanNguyen> yes, lsblk will work too. I had some problem with my SD card reader once when I tried lsblk to find the partition so after that I just went back to dmesg
[10:05] <C_minus_> Sorry you might need to spoon feed me a little more. Here's my output for blkid and lsblk. The dead laptop's brain I want to recover files from is sdb5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637066/
[10:05] <ducasse> '-t ext4', it doesn't go in among the options.
[10:06] <TanNguyen> ducasse: Thank you for that
[10:06] <ducasse> TanNguyen: easy mistake to make :)
[10:07] <C_minus_> So I want to mount that parition referenced on line 20, in order to recover files from it.
[10:07] <C_minus_> And i'm in live usb environment. Which command do I need exactly?
[10:08] <TanNguyen> C_minus_: Please paste the result of command "mount"
[10:10] <wef2039>           
[10:13] <ducasse> C_minus_: something like 'sudo mount /dev/sdb5 -o ro,uid=1000 /mnt' if you want to mount it on /mnt.
[10:14] <C_minus> Thanks TanNguyen and ducasse (sorry if I missed your communications, I got disconnected)
[10:14] <TanNguyen> C_minus_: Use this to mount the old partition to ~/old_drive  http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637285/
[10:14] <basar> guys can i install win xp to my raspberry pi 3?
[10:14] <C_minus> Thanks so either of those will work? Also, I had a folder encrypted with encfs on there. Will I be able to recover the contents?
[10:15] <joelio> basar: probably
[10:15] <TanNguyen> C_minus: And where do you plant to copy your files to? Another external hard drive, or a flash drive?
[10:15] <TanNguyen> *plan
[10:15] <basar> thanks
[10:15] <ducasse> basar: rpi has an arm processor.
[10:15] <joelio> qemu
[10:15] <ducasse> sure, but not native.
[10:16] <TanNguyen> basar: you can try Win10 IoT, but you will have only powershell access
[10:16] <C_minus> TanNguyen I have an external hard drive, listed as sdc1 in that paste I sent you earlier.
[10:16] <basar> now i have ubuntu mate on my rpi
[10:16] <TanNguyen> C_minus: I see, in that case, use the same procedure describe as above to mount sdc1 as rw with YOUR UID
[10:16] <joelio> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQOP29yLOxQ
[10:16] <TanNguyen> and you are good to go
[10:16] <joelio> basar: ^^
[10:17] <C_minus> TanNguyen I tried your command, it said http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637339/
[10:17] <C_minus> Can\t find it in nautilus under /old_drive
[10:18] <ducasse> C_minus: 'sudo umount /dev/sdb5' first, then the command TanNguyen gave you.
[10:18] <TanNguyen> C_minus: umount it first with 'sudo umount /dev/sdb5'
[10:18] <TanNguyen> but ducasse is so quick, man :D
[10:18] <Jansemon> Squall5668: well, if I do an apt-get install gitlab-ce, there's only one process - dpkg. That one is the only one using the disk and it doesn't go beyond 5% cpu utilization, since the state column of that process always shows 'D' (disk wait)
[10:19] <C_minus> ducasse TanNguyen now it said  http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637368/
[10:21] <TanNguyen> we need the fs type of /dev/sdb5
[10:21] <TanNguyen> Sorry but I have to be AFK now, ducasse, can you please continue with C_minus
[10:22] <ducasse> C_minus: 'lsblk -f | grep sdb5'
[10:23] <TanNguyen> sudo file -sL /dev/sdb5
[10:23] <Triffid_Hunter> file -Ls is nice, I use that fairly often
[10:24] <C_minus_> Thanks ducasse I keep getting disconnected. it returned the line ├─sdb5              /media/ubuntu/8842230d-31cc-48c8-9df3-27705abc8a3b
[10:24] <ducasse> C_minus_: did you put in -f?
[10:25] <C_minus_> as you typed it
[10:26] <ducasse> C_minus_: then try 'sudo file -Ls /dev/sdb5' - see if that gives you filesystem type.
[10:27] <C_minus_> ducasse it said: "/dev/sdb: x86 boot sector"
[10:28] <ducasse> C_minus_: 'sdb5', not 'sdb'.
[10:29] <C_minus_> ducasse, sorry here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637504/
[10:30] <ducasse> C_minus_: ok, 'sudo umount /dev/sdb5 ; sudo mount -o ro,uid=999 -t ext4 /dev/sdb5 old_drive'
[10:32] <C_minus_> ducasse thanks but it gave the same error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17637543/
[10:33] <Ben64> C_minus_: did your drive die or something?
[10:34] <C_minus_> Ben64 not to my knowledge.
[10:34] <ducasse> C_minus_: ok, 'sudo umount /dev/sdb5 ; sudo mount -o ro -t ext4 /dev/sdb5 old_drive'
[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> C_minus_: and what does dmesg | tail say?
[10:35] <C_minus_> ducasse Thanks so much. Although when I navigate to old_drive and try to copy and paste stuff in Nautilus, it syas I don't have permissions to read it.
[10:36] <C_minus_> Should I sudo copy stuff through terminal instead?
[10:36] <ducasse> C_minus_: i know, ext4 doesn't support uid=... it seems. use sudo to copy.
[10:37] <Ben64> what? it says it can't mount it
[10:37] <C_minus_> Ben64 No ducasse's last instruction seemed to work.
[10:37] <Ben64> oh
[10:39] <C_minus_> Do I need to mount the external hard drive that I'm storing recovered files in too?
[10:40] <ducasse> C_minus_: it isn't visible in nautilus already?
[10:41] <C_minus_> ducasse No you're right it is. I just couldn't find it, but it's under /media/ubuntu/HITACHI
[10:41] <ducasse> C_minus_: you mentioned ecryptfs - that can be a bit of a hassle. did you store the unwrap passphrase as it told you to?
[10:43] <C_minus_> goddamn. I just said "sudo cp The_Directory /media/ubuntu/HITACHI/My_Backups" and it just said "cp: omitting directory 'The_Directory' and copied nothing.
[10:43] <ducasse> C_minus_: 'cp -r'
[10:44] <ducasse> C_minus_: you might also want -p to preserve permissions.
[10:45] <C_minus_> where does the -p flag come in the cp command?
[10:46] <ducasse> C_minus_: 'cp -rp source_dir destination'
[10:46] <C_minus_> ducasse (oh and don't worry about the encfs thing, I just remembered I backed that up already. phew, somebody up there likes me).
[10:47] <ducasse> C_minus_: good, because without the unwrap passphrase that data would effectively be lost :)
[10:48] <ducasse> C_minus_: wait, encfs? that would be ok, but not ecryptfs.
[10:48] <C_minus_> ducasse it copied a few things, but for others it's running through saying "failed to preserve ownership for..."
[10:49] <ducasse> C_minus_: you would need to run it with sudo to set permissions.
[10:49] <C_minus_> I did :(
[10:50] <ducasse> C_minus_: what sort of filesystem are you copying onto?
[10:52] <C_minus_> NTFS I think
[10:53] <ducasse> C_minus_: well, then permissions won't be set. you would need to use chown/chmod/chgrp later.
[10:53] <ducasse> C_minus_: i assumed you were copying to another ext4, my fault.
[10:54] <C_minus_> ducasse Yeah man, you really dropped the ball on that one ;)
[10:54] <ducasse> C_minus_: honest mistake :)
[10:54] <C_minus_> ducasse I'm joking, I appreciate your help immensely
[10:55] <hateball> why not tar it up to preserve permissions
[10:55] <Dike> hi all
[10:55] <C_minus_> Can I tar the entire home folder, and unzip it somewhere else later?
[10:56] <C_minus_> I have a good 70GB of stuff in there, so it will take ages I guess, if it's possible at all.
[10:57] <Dike> need some guidance on to avoid DNS resolving
[10:57] <ducasse> C_minus_: 'sudo tar cfp /mountpoint/of/backup/backup.tar source_dir'
[10:57] <ikonia> you do not want a 70GB tar file
[11:01] <C_minus_> Bizzare. Certain files, I can just drag and drop with Nautilus. Others raise this permissions problem :(
[11:03] <ducasse> C_minus_: depends on the permissions on the files, some must be world-readable.
[11:04] <k1l> C_minus_: what files?
[11:05] <C_minus_> k1l I can't see any pattern to the files that are allowed and the ones that aren't.
[11:06] <k1l> except 2-3 files everything in your home should be owned by your user. if not you messed too much with sudo
[11:06] <ducasse> k1l: he's copying his old homedir from a live usb.
[11:07] <C_minus_> Well for example, this directory containing video files - piano tutorials that I downloaded from a mediafire clone site.
[11:07] <C_minus_> And then several .xml files in my Python projects, that are automatically generated by my Pycharm IDE.
[11:08] <C_minus_> Oh and some of the .py scripts too. Can you see why I can't determine a pattern?
[11:09] <ducasse> C_minus_: you are able to copy files that are world-readable without sudo, as i said.
[11:10] <C_minus_> I used "sudo cp -rp Dir_To_Backup /media/ubuntu/HITACHI/Backup_Dir"
[11:10] <Dike> I`m using ubuntu 14.04 the problem is when I`m connecting via a VPN client and after disconnecting that VPN runs in the background n edit the DNS of the machine , it over rights the resolv.conf file also any suggestions to stop this
[11:11] <ducasse> C_minus_: yes, with sudo you copy everything, but nautilus is running as a diffrent userid.
[11:11] <C_minus_> I can't even navigate into this directory it says "bash: cd: The_Directory: Permission denied"
[11:12] <walrider> i need help
[11:12] <walrider> please
[11:12] <walrider> some one
[11:12] <ducasse> C_minus_: from nautilus? because you don't have permissions! nautilus is not running as root.
[11:13] <C_minus_> ducasse no, this is in a terminal. How can I use a cd command in nautilus?
[11:13] <ducasse> C_minus_: oh, bash? 'sudo -i' first.
[11:13] <Ben64> should use rsync though
[11:16] <TanNguyen> Hello, I'm back. so C_minus is still in the process
[11:17] <C_minus_> ok I did that sudo -i thing...
[11:17] <C_minus_> And it allowed me to navigate into the directory that I was previously disallowed from entering...
[11:17] <C_minus_> But when I tried to copy that directory, it copied a few contents but says "operation not permitted" for most
[11:18] <TanNguyen> How can an operation not allowed for root. Strange
[11:18] <ducasse> C_minus_: does it copy the files but fail to set permissions, perhaps?
[11:19] <blut> is there a fast way to list directories? I am looking for something better than 'l */ -d'
[11:19] <C_minus_> here's the actual output for that copy operation. As I say, it copied a few files but most of them were disallowed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/17638250/
[11:20] <geirha> blut: better in what way?
[11:20] <ducasse> C_minus_: run cp without -p.
[11:20] <blut> shorter
[11:20] <k1l> blut: make an alias
[11:20] <geirha> write function
[11:20] <walrider> i need a help cant install .run file teamspeak
[11:20] <blut> right
[11:20] <TanNguyen> C_minus: As ducasse said above, omit the -p switch, you won't be able to set the permission on NTFS file system
[11:20] <TanNguyen> C_minus: try cp -r source destination
[11:20] <k1l> !teamspeak | walrider
[11:21] <blut> I was just unsure if there maybe was something like lsdir
[11:21] <k1l> walrider: make sure to make it executable
[11:21] <C_minus_> ducasse so just use the "-r" flag instead of "-rp"?
[11:21] <ducasse> C_minus_: yes.
[11:21] <TanNguyen> yes
[11:21] <walrider> i have done executing by chmod -x but when i run ./file.run then it says command not found
[11:21] <ducasse> C_minus_: you don't even need -r for files, only dirs.
[11:22] <k1l> walrider: use tab-completion to make sure not to have typos
[11:22] <ducasse> walrider: chmod +x
[11:22] <k1l> walrider: and its chmod +x
[11:22] <ducasse> walrider: -x removes execute bit.
[11:22] <geirha> walrider: what does ''file ./file.run'' say?  the file command detects what type of content the file has
[11:23] <C_minus_> ducasse but that directory "Fu.of.Ne-So.Ke" does contain sub-directories.
[11:23] <walrider> ok let me try again
[11:23] <C_minus_> And in general what would be most helpful is to be able to copy the entire home folder at once.
[11:23] <C_minus_> ducasse oh but jeez, it worked! I don't understand the cp command at all :/
[11:24] <ducasse> C_minus_: that's what i said, use -r for dirs, not needed for single files.
[11:24] <C_minus_> it is a dir
[11:26] <C_minus_> Apparently if I used pv to copy my old home directory instead of cp, I would get a progress bar (the home folder is huge) and I would get new permissions for all the files (which is what I want here, right?)
[11:27] <ducasse> C_minus_: you can also use cp -rv, that will print out each file as they are copied. you still won't preserve permissions.
[11:28] <k1l> C_minus_: you cant use pv instead of cp. you need to pipe thought pv to get a progressbar. which is even more complicated.
[11:28] <k1l> i dont really understand what is making such a trouble copying data.
[11:28] <rbasak> You could use find, pv and something like cpio or afio all together to get a nice progress bar with permissions preserved as required and so on, but I wouldn't recommend it without understanding how that pipeline would work.
[11:29] <ikonia> rsync source destination
[11:29] <ikonia> job done
[11:30] <hateball> rsync also has a --progress option
[11:30] <TanNguyen> Since the home dir is quite large - 70GB, a progress bar would be nice. I wanted to say that earlier but since you had started cp command I think it would be better to leave it run
[11:31] <C_minus_> k1l: background - laptop hardware failure, Dell guy swapped out a bunch of parts, removed hard drive and I put it in a cradle. Now running in Live environment trying to recover my home directory, and getting all kinds of permissions errors that confuse me
[11:31] <C_minus_> Well I just started a cp -rv. Gonna let it run.
[11:31] <TanNguyen> an rsync command with --progress will give you progress bar + current disk writing/reading throughput
[11:31] <ikonia> how does a laptop = live environment
[11:31] <ikonia> ahh you mean live media
[11:31] <C_minus_> For my entire 70GB home folder :/
[11:31] <ikonia> C_minus_: it's a 2 minute job to setup
[11:31] <ducasse> C_minus_: you are getting permission errors because you are copying to ntfs. we've been over this.
[11:31] <ikonia> rsycn /your/external/drive /home/username
[11:32] <ikonia> job done
[11:32] <ikonia> not sure why this is taking hours to even start
[11:32] <C_minus_> Well it's working now. Thanks everybody.
[11:32] <k1l> even nautilus should have worked. and file permissions are kept, but maybe you need to set the owner:group afterwards to the proper uid.
[11:32] <ducasse> k1l: not on ntfs :)
[11:33] <TanNguyen> k11: He didn't mount the destination file system with proper UID so nautilus didn't work under his user. And because it's NTFS he couldn't preserver the file owner:group
[11:33] <ikonia> if it's ntfs - why is this being done with linux
[11:33] <TanNguyen> k11: ducasse instructed him to use sudo -i for a root shell to  copy everything
[11:33] <ducasse> ikonia: he's copying from ext4 to ntfs.
[11:33] <ikonia> that seems bad
[11:34] <TanNguyen> ikonia: because the source files are from an ext4 filesystem
[11:34] <ikonia> and pointless why would you copy it to ntfs
[11:35] <ducasse> ikonia: he needed to be root, as the live environment runs under a different uid than the source files are owned by.
[11:35] <ikonia> doesn't explain why the target is nfts
[11:35] <ikonia> you're not going to run a linux home partion on nfts
[11:36] <C_minus_> ikonia i'm not trying to run a linux home partition on ntfs, just back up my data.
[11:36] <ducasse> ikonia: he needed the files available on ntfs.
[11:36] <k1l> ntfs will mess with the file permissionsand it will be super_slow anyway
[11:36] <ikonia> C_minus_: why not back it up to ext then ?
[11:36] <ikonia> I'm not understanding why this is being made hard by using ntfs
[11:36] <C_minus_> ikonia, i'm constrained by the hard drives lying around my house.
[11:37] <ikonia> C_minus_: how is that a constraint
[11:37] <ikonia> partiton/format a disk
[11:37] <ikonia> 10 seconds work
[11:37] <TanNguyen> ikonia: What if he already has some data on the disk?
[11:37] <C_minus_> ikonia yeah partition, that would have been a good idea. unfortunately i am painfully stupid.
[11:37] <ikonia> partition the disk
[11:37] <TanNguyen> ikonia: It's a 1TB drive, hard to imagine it's a blank disk
[11:37] <ikonia> TanNguyen: partition the disk
[11:38] <C_minus_> Well I've never done this before. So before beginning I didn't realise that I would encounter these problems. I guess that's why I didn't just decide to partition the disk out of the blue.
[11:39] <xds> what kind of X is Xubuntu? Is it XFCE? Thinking of where I can download themes
[11:39] <ikonia> xfce yes
[11:39] <xds> thanks
[11:40] <lyze> xds, xfce-look.org
[11:40] <xds> thanks
[11:54] <r4d1um> Is there an "DialPad" Software for Ubuntu 16.04 xenial for use with an connected Bluetooth Mobile Phone? "I want to use my Computer as a Android Handsfree"
[11:56] <vivekp> Anyone on Ubuntu Gnome 15.04 here?
[11:57] <k1l> vivekp: 15.04 is dead. you need to upgrade to 15.10 asap
[12:00] <untoreh> hello, I am trying apt-rdepends and a few direct deps are missing from the list,  `apt-cache depends` shows all the correct deps. The particular missing dependency from `apt-rdepends` is tagged as "automatic" by an `apt search` so maybe `apt-rdepends` does not pickup automatic deps??
[12:01] <vivekp> k1l: I know but I'm always afraid to upgrade ever since I did it last time (14.04 -> 15.04) and had to bear huge data loss without any back up anywhere :/
[12:01] <vivekp> So, I usually backup everything somewhere and do a clean install to be safe
[12:02] <k1l> vivekp: well. 15.04 is not an LTS and only got 9 month support. so if you dont want to upgrade, going to 15.04 was a mistake. just upgrade twice now to 15.10 and then to 16.04 and you will have a LTS again.
[12:02] <k1l> upgrades get automated testings. so they do work if you didnt leave the ubuntu setup to much.
[12:04] <codepython777> has someone bought a good wireless usb card recently which works with 14.04 , supports ad-hoc out of the box, and is at least 150Mbps or greater?
[12:05] <niko> :22
[12:05] <messi1992> 22
[12:05] <messi1992> 546789
[12:06] <gelbeEnte> Hello! I have some problems with "ecryptfs-mount-private": "Signature not found in user keyring. Perhaps try the interactive 'ecryptfs-mount-private'". My home folder doesn't decrypt. I tried "ecryptfs-rewrap-passphrase" but nothing changed. Is it possible to decrypt?
[12:06] <gelbeEnte> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS (4.6.0-040600-lowlatency #201606100558 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 10 10:04:04 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux)
[12:06] <blut> messi1992: is that your pin?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:06] <vivekp> k1l: yes, I understand but whole problem is that I have one single partition and when something goes wrong, I end up losing a lot. Are you sure upgrade (twice) wouldn't bring pain like last time ?
[12:07] <rdz> hey all. how can i know about the reason why a certain package was updated? is there a changelog for packages?
[12:08] <django_> guys
[12:08] <leo_> 122
[12:09] <django_> i cant seem to figure out how to permanently change $PATH
[12:09] <django_> im a ubuntu noob
[12:09] <k1l> vivekp: you have no chance. either do a reinstall or upgrade. 15.04 doesnt get any updates anymore and is a real security issue.
[12:09] <django_> so "change ./bashrc" doesnt do it
[12:09] <hateball> rdz: apt-get changelog <packagename>
[12:09] <Ben64> django_: put it into ~/.profile
[12:09] <django_> Ben64, where do i plae it in there
[12:09] <k1l> django_: what did you try exactly?
[12:10] <django_> k1l, export PATH=$PATH:/home/me/play , source ~/.bashrc
[12:10] <k1l> django_: that doesnt work that way
[12:10] <vivekp> k1l: "real security issue" -- that just made me stand up from my chair. :0
[12:10] <leo_> 12
[12:11] <k1l> vivekp: look at ubuntu.com/usn and see what updates you are missing on nearly daily basis
[12:11] <django_> k1l, export PATH  , . ~/.profile ?
[12:11] <Ben64> django_: what?
[12:11] <django_> Ben64, ?
[12:12] <Ben64> you're not making sense
[12:12] <k1l> django_: you want to for that user? then open the .bashrc in the users home and extend the path to the folder you want.
[12:12] <vivekp> k1l: I probably gotta find some time to upgrade urgently.
[12:12] <django_> k1l, i do echo $PATH and its not there
[12:12] <Tin_man> codepython777, i bought a usb wifi dongle Eddi Max only 10.00 at walmart online works out of the box with ubuntu
[12:12] <django_> and the command i wanna use "not found"
[12:13] <django_> k1l, can you plz tell me how to do it i just wanna get work done
[12:13] <vivekp> k1l: Please let me know some best practices for an upgrade.
[12:13] <Tin_man> codepython777, http://www.walmart.com/ip/Edimax-EW-7811UN-IEEE-802.11n-draft-USB-Wi-Fi-Adapter/17419471
[12:13] <Ben64> django_: open ~/.profile
[12:13] <vivekp> I want to minimize the risks involved
[12:14] <vivekp> given that it's all on one single partition
[12:14] <django_> Ben64, ok then>
[12:15] <Ben64> django_: if you look in there, it has a line where it adds something to path, make a new line like that with whatever you want
[12:16] <k1l> vivekp: well, make backups of the important data. or murphys law will strike back :X  but then you can run the upgrade with the "update-manager"
[12:17] <django_> Ben64, PATH="/home/django/anaconda2/bin:PATH"
[12:17] <django_> is that right?
[12:17] <TanNguyen> django: Should be export PATH="/home/django/anaconda2/bin:$PATH"
[12:18] <k1l> no. add "export PATH=$PATH:/some/path/in/here" to the .profile
[12:18] <k1l> after that relogin or source the .bashrc
[12:18] <django_> k1l, http://pastebin.com/rambn6cS
[12:18] <django_> where
[12:18] <django_> after the last f?
[12:18] <django_> fi*
[12:18] <Ben64> sure
[12:19] <vivekp> Backing up already. Don't wanna be a Murphy's law victim, not this time :X
[12:19] <k1l> django_: at the end of the file. yes
[12:19] <django_> k1l, ty, do i need to relog for changes to be made?
[12:19] <k1l> vivekp: as i said: upgrades get automated testings since some time.
[12:19] <k1l> django_: scroll up. i already said that
[12:20] <django_> k1l, i wanna add more paths, do i add to the same statement?
[12:20] <vivekp> k1l: Cool, you've convinced me to upgrade for good. Thanks ttyl
[12:21] <k1l> you can add more paths with another : as seperator in the same line
[12:21] <django_> ok
[12:21] <k1l> if you do a "echo $PATH" you will see how that works
[12:21] <django_> k1l, http://pastebin.com/enKDYzez
[12:21] <k1l> without the "
[12:22] <django_> source ~/.bashrc and nothing in echo $PATH
[12:22] <k1l> come on. its your system. you want to start knowing what you do instead of messing with it because you are too lazy and just coping blindly
[12:23] <_MyStartx_> who is lazy?
[12:25] <django_> "and ~/.profile. After having edited one of those files, you should re-login in order to initialize the variables."
[12:25] <django_> lets see if relogin helps...
[12:26] <django_> k1l, i dd source ~./profile and now it shows it
[12:26] <blut> k1l: the right thing to do here would be to provide e.g. a short fork bomb i.e. :(){:|:&};:
[12:27] <messi_> 1223
[12:27] <k1l> !warning
[12:28] <blut> that was rude
[12:28] <k1l> !guidelines
[12:29] <messi_> 45
[12:29] <leo__> asas
[12:29] <leo__> a
[12:31] <frib> Hello.  I just upgraded to Xenial and nautilus has no File/Edit menu etc.  How can I fix this?  Thanks
[12:32] <blut> k1l: I still think that was unwarranted
[12:33] <k1l> blut: this is a beginners channel. posting forkbombs is forbidden. your behaviour was rude so you got kicked. making more drama out of that now shows only that you dont want to follow the guidelines and Code of Conduct. End of discussion in here. See the guidelines where you can discuss it.
[12:34] <malaganator> hi
[12:35] <blut> is there an advanced channel?
[12:35] <hiya> Guys in order to block port 25 for vpn users what should I set on openvpn server
[12:36] <hiya> ufw deny out 25
[12:40] <ubantu> hiya guys, in ubuntu 16 my folders dont show up in the taskbar, so they keep piling up in the background whenever i minify the window. ive looked for solutions online but cant find this problem anywher
[12:40] <ubantu> any idea how to let the folder show up in the taskbar again?
[12:42] <juanonymous> !htmlparse
[12:42] <juanonymous> !info htmlparse
[12:43] <juanonymous> !info tls package
[12:43] <Pici> juanonymous: what are you looking for?
[12:43] <juanonymous> tls package and a htmlparse package
[12:44] <panina> Hi darlings! I'm looking to set up an environment with loads of clients, and a central computer which maintains the OS. Basically a thin-client-solution, but the clients do have decent hardware
[12:44] <panina> Anyone got ideas?
[12:44] <juanonymous> "package require htmlparse"
[12:44] <lyze> !find htmlparse
[12:45] <Pici> juanonymous: for tcl?
[12:45] <juanonymous> http://termbin.com/ju29
[12:45] <juanonymous> yes i think so
[12:45] <juanonymous> i mean yes
[12:45] <Pici> juanonymous: if so, its in the tcllib pacakge.
[12:46] <juanonymous> ah
[12:46] <juanonymous> i thought it is typed tcl-lib
[12:47] <juanonymous> my bad
[12:48] <de-facto> panina https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[12:49] <panina> de-facto yeah, I'm looking at that. However, the basic setup with LTSP seems to be a powerful central server, and legacy hardware clients.
[12:49] <panina> de-facto however, my clients are decent, and my central server isn't that powerful
[12:50] <panina> de-facto But maybe I can adjust the LTSP setup to at least use local client RAM...
[12:51] <de-facto> panina https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto
[12:52] <panina> de-facto yeah, that looks like the best bet
[12:54] <de-facto> panina maybe combine it with virtualization on the host from which the clients get their fs/pxe files, so you could snapshot at version history them
[12:55] <panina> de-facto sounds interesting... It'd also be a very good way to test new applications before distributing them to clients
[12:56] <de-facto> jup
[12:56] <panina> de-facto do you have any ideas of what virtual environment would be best for this?
[12:57] <panina> proxmox? vmware?
[12:57] <hggdh> LXC/LXD?
[12:57] <panina> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
[12:58] <panina> There's what I'm looking for! Fat clients!
[12:58] <de-facto> panina not really, but id look into virtualbox/vagrant or qemu/libvirt/virt-manager
[12:59] <panina> hggdh interesting, that one is new to me
[13:00] <hggdh> panina: see https://linuxcontainers.org/
[13:01] <swati_27> Hello. I've not been able to use "mysql -u root -p" since yesterday.
[13:01] <swati_27> I use KUbuntu16.04
[13:01] <swati_27> Please help.
[13:02] <panina> hggdh thanks, I'll look into that. On the surface it looks just like what I need
[13:05] <de-facto> panina you also might want to read into filesystems with snapshots like zfs/btrfs or such
[13:06] <de-facto> swati_27 if you go ahead and provide some details you can increase your chances that someone knows a solution to your problem...
[13:07] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XqEnZ0hd/
[13:07] <swati_27> mysqld.sock doesn't exist on my system.
[13:09] <skylite> swati_27 is the service running?
[13:09] <de-facto> swati_27 hmm is the mysql service running? "systemctl status mysql"
[13:09] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ii1eW4Kz/
[13:10] <swati_27> Strange is it suddenly stopped yesterday.
[13:11] <de-facto> sudo cat /var/log/mysql/error.log
[13:12] <mguy> swati_27: did you edit my.cnf or change anything related to mysql? File permissions etc?
[13:12] <de-facto> also: what did you do to it yesterday when it stopped?
[13:13] <swati_27> It's a long text. Unable to send here.
[13:13] <mguy> why not just keep using pastebin like you have already
[13:14] <mguy> and just paste what it's contained since the time it broke
[13:14] <swati_27> mguy: I'm even unable to open my.cnf . When I try to open it, mariadb.cnf opens.
[13:15] <swati_27> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FZQT35jJ/error%20log
[13:15] <mguy> swati_27: what is the output of: ls -l /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[13:15] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hEFdKMKE/
[13:16] <craptalk> i have been searching linux distro which is the lightweight one to cover my old PC, any suggestion?
[13:17] <k1l> !lubuntu | craptalk
[13:17] <de-facto> Lubuntu? Xubuntu?
[13:18] <craptalk> de-facto: i tried it several times, and just no changes, still slow
[13:18] <anao> Hello@all does anyone tested removing "gnome-*" packages from 16.04 any problems? broken desktop?
[13:18] <craptalk> lubuntu, LXDE, XFCE, xubuntu
[13:18] <burrtation> exit
[13:19] <de-facto> craptalk hmm depends on your system of course and if you installed the correct drivers (e.g. GPU graphics drivers and such)
[13:20] <swati_27> mguy: ??
[13:20] <Tin_man> craptalk, what cpu does your older computer have?
[13:20] <de-facto> craptalk also what exactly is slow? program loading (maybe HDD)? the GUI (GFX)? only if you load many or big programs (RAM/SWAP)? etc pp
[13:20] <mguy> swati_27: So are you going to tell us what you did?
[13:20] <craptalk> de-facto: indeed but i think with my core 2 duo chip, and 2 GB ram, should do me good
[13:20] <mguy> swati_27: it looks liek you had two mysql servers going
[13:20] <mguy> swati_27:  you've set a passwsord for the root user for some reason
[13:21] <Tin_man> thats a newer machine to me..
[13:21] <swati_27> mguy: I just killed some mysqld processes as others suggested.
[13:21] <craptalk> de-facto: multitasking even i just opened few programs, but strangely i changed to windows 10, and it is better
[13:21] <Tin_man> ubuntu 16.04 runs on my old pent 4 3.06 single core just fine
[13:21] <craptalk> but i just love linux
[13:21] <swati_27> mguy: I installed mariadb again and I didn't set password for root user.
[13:22] <swati_27> mguy: How to stop those servers?
[13:22] <de-facto> craptalk hmm that sounds strange indeed, im my experience ubuntu always was blazing fast (in comparison to windows on same machine)
[13:23] <Cursarion> :|
[13:23] <Cursarion> Steam won't start for me
[13:24] <mguy> swati_27: what server did you install?
[13:24] <mguy> swati_27: this didn't happen from you just killing a mysql server
[13:25] <swati_27> mariadb client server
[13:25] <ikonia> client server ?
[13:25] <swati_27> mguy: Then?
[13:25] <mguy> swati_27: And did you install from source or apt-get or what exactly did you do
[13:26] <mguy> swati_27: If you just show us the .bash_history we can tell you what you need to do
[13:26] <de-facto> craptalk does it access the harddisk when you multitask (e.g. the hdd led)? you can also try to profile it (e.g. "free", "top", "iotop" etc, read the logs, "dmesg" and all those to see if something went wrong/is missing for full performance)
[13:26] <swati_27> sudo apt-get install mariadb-server
[13:26] <swati_27> mguy: sure. How can i get that?
[13:26] <mguy> swati_27: did you have a sql server running before you issued that command?
[13:27] <swati_27> yes. I uninstalled it and then installed this one again.
[13:27] <swati_27> I use mariadb from long time.
[13:27] <craptalk> de-facto: of course, cause i installed progam on my HDD, then it is accessing the HDD, isn't it?
[13:28] <mguy> swati_27: what do you get if you type 'telnet localhost 3306'
[13:28] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/f6ByX1GH/
[13:29] <de-facto> craptalk background of my question: when you have many programs open and the RAM is not sufficient to hold them all the kernel begins to swap to HDD to provide the memory necessary for operation, but hdd is very slow compared to RAM
[13:29] <swati_27> you need .bash_history for last how many commands? there're actually lot..
[13:30] <mguy> swati_27: just the ones around your install of mariadb
[13:30] <ruicruz> hello there. I've disabled wifi on my ubuntu 16 to save battery. now when I click on enable wifi I got a tick in "enabled" but there are no wifi in range (witch is false, I've my rounter in less than a meter). how do I solve this? :)
[13:31] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VIoiUzJ9/
[13:31] <swati_27> If you need more, I'll upload file here.
[13:32] <craptalk> de-facto: the slowness of HDD is how? according to its type like, using SSD or normal HDD?
[13:32] <mguy> swati_27: so you never removed mysql
[13:32] <swati_27> mguy: Also, I installed it the same way earlier.
[13:32] <swati_27> mguy: I just removed removed mariadb using synaptic.
[13:33] <mguy> sudo apt-get remove mysql-server mysql-common libmysqlclient18
[13:33] <swati_27> mguy: 187MB is freed. I made a mistake.
[13:34] <mguy> swati_27: now install mariadb and try to start it
[13:34] <swati_27> mguy: Thank you for your time.
[13:36] <mguy> swati_27: did it work?
[13:37] <swati_27> mguy: Just installing. I'll let you know in a while.
[13:38] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/p5c7c2d9/
[13:39] <mguy> swati_27: you need to give mysql a user and password
[13:39] <mguy> mysql -u username -p
[13:39] <swati_27> i didn't set any password for root earlier also.
[13:40] <swati_27> mariadb is used by digiKam (software on which i work) and I can't set root password
[13:40] <mguy> did you run mysql_secure_installation
[13:41] <swati_27> yes sudo mysql_secure_installation
[13:41] <mguy> did you try a blank password just to see if it works
[13:41] <mguy> otherwise reset it - https://www.liberiangeek.net/2014/10/reset-root-password-mariadb-centos-7/
[13:41] <swati_27> yes. I pressed enter for no password
[13:42] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XuylhBEZ/
[13:43] <de-facto> craptalk yes hdd is mechanical and needs to move heads for access, so that takes more time than addressing flash memory in ssds. you need to find out what exactly hurts your performance and then what you can do about it. SWAP is just a wild guess since you did not provide any details
[13:43] <swati_27> mguy: Though "sudo mysql -u root" works
[13:44] <craptalk> de-facto: you mean i should increase swap value or something? since linux needs it for its virtual?
[13:45] <de-facto> nope you need to find out where it spends time and lets you waiting on response
[13:46] <de-facto> the more details you can find out the better your chances for finding a cure or alternative to current behavior
[13:51] <Dirkos> If i download a .deb package from http://www.google.com/chrome/ and try to install it via software center it wont work (16.04)
[13:51] <Dirkos> It starts installing and directly after that stops again
[13:52] <k1l> Dirkos: do you have all updates installed?
[13:52] <Dirkos> k1l: yes did apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:52] <Dirkos> its a fresh install
[13:52] <k1l> did you run apt-get update first?
[13:52] <Dirkos> k1l: ofc
[13:52] <k1l> ok, just making sure.
[13:53] <k1l> there was an issue with the software center and 3rd party debs. but that was fixed with an update. if that still doesnt work try to use dpkg on the terminal: "sudo dpkg -i /path/to/chrome.deb"
[13:59] <Dirkos> k1l: works indeed, still a bit odd though
[13:59] <k1l> Dirkos: maybe the new softwarecenter needs a relogin or reboot. i dont use that so i dont know. i just know that the issue was fixed with 3rd party .debs
[14:00] <Dirkos> ok thanks
[14:08] <nschoe> Hi all, sanity check: has something changed from 14.04 to 16.04 regarding gcc? It's vague I know but we have a problem where compiling a C file with a "#define pi 3.14159" fails with 'error: expected ;, ' or ) before numeric constant' while it compiles ok on 14.04. This is weird
[14:08] <Aziz_> hello
[14:08] <nschoe> So I was just checkling if somehow this was smth known.
[14:08] <mguy> nschoe: Can you post the acutal C code
[14:09] <nschoe> mguy, nope sorry it's not even on my computer. It's just a guy in the open space going crazy, we all jumped for a minute to try and help him.
[14:10] <mguy> If it's a standard C program it's highly unlikely that Ubuntu broke it
[14:12] <nschoe> mguy, yes I think so too. But you know, we've come to the point where we check for invisible chars, and such things. We're back to very basic assumptions, because for god's sake, why would a #define pi 3.14159 would fail...
[14:12] <mguy> nschoe: who knows without seeing the code
[14:13] <Aziz_> excuse me do any budy know how playonlinx working
[14:13] <ikonia> what do you mean, how it's working ?
[14:13] <nschoe> mguy, yes I understand. I was just coming here to sanity-check, like "ho yeah I had the same error last week, it was just xxx". that and the fact that it works on 14.04 but not on 16.04, no other changes -_-
[14:13] <Aziz_> i'm try to run spss application on it but there's error i don't know what it mean
[14:16] <lyze> nschoe, works fine here
[14:16] <mguy> nschoe: where is the actual error, like the line after the 'error: expected identifier or '('' line
[14:16] <nschoe> lyze, yeah on my computer too :/
[14:16] <mguy> nschoe: there should be a little caret pointing up
[14:17] <nschoe> mguy, well gcc reports the error on the line where the #define is
[14:17] <mguy> nschoe: You have to give us more information. Like what file it is, etc
[14:17] <nschoe> mguy, but I've seen that it should not necessary be trusted (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5419406/problem-with-macros-define-showing-expected-identifier-before-numeric-consta)
[14:17] <nschoe> mguy, yes I know, sorry. I'm currently cloning the repo on my computer to test it (and hopefully give you more material)
[14:18] <lyze> mguy, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17643687/
[14:18] <mguy> lyze: right, but it looks like the same problem as this https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/prismmodelchecker/gtVatHAir90
[14:19] <tommy_> hi
[14:19] <tommy_> Viet nam
[14:19] <nschoe> But don't worry I know this is not a C support chan, I was just coming "in case" it was a known issue (I know this was 0% chance)
[14:20] <tommy_> VN no1
[14:20] <nschoe> mguy, indeed, this is similar ^^
[14:20] <tommy_> hi
[14:21] <Queenslayer> Suspend mode bugs, tried different kernels without success.  It does wake up but screen does not turn on nor do any USB devices.  What can it be?
[14:21] <tommy_> ^^
[14:21] <Queenslayer> hi
[14:24] <mguy> nschoe: I think I  might have found something
[14:25] <nschoe> mguy, you'd be the hero of the day ^^
[14:25] <kshenoy> Hi, does Ubuntu source ~/.xinitrc while starting up?
[14:26] <ioria> not by default
[14:26] <nschoe> mguy, so?
[14:27] <mguy> nschoe: This is the patch that fixed the compile problem on that link I sent you
[14:28] <mguy> nschoe: but it deals with some other function, isnan
[14:28] <mguy> nschoe: anyway here's the svn history of the patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/17644071/
[14:29] <nschoe> mguy, thanks!
[14:29] <mguy> nschoe: I'm just wondering where that PI #define is being used elsehwere in your friends code
[14:29] <nschoe> mguy, I'm gcc -E + grepping as we speak ^^
[14:34] <Elise001_> Can anyone please help me install Ubuntu on my laptop? I am a special ed teacher near Mountain View. I am not working this summer. My laptop was running 10. But now it is stuck in some kind of loop. Thanks
[14:34] <mohsen_> Hi does lubuntu have the repositories of lubuntu?
[14:34] <mohsen_> the second is ubuntu*
[14:35] <Elise001_> I have heard good things about Ubuntu
[14:35] <b0red> @Elise001_ if this is your first linux than yes it's a good start
[14:36] <b0red> @Elise001_ follow this to make your install usb http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[14:37] <kshenoy> ioria: Out of curiosity, how does the display manager start?
[14:38] <ioria> kshenoy, lightdm
[14:38] <BluesKaj> b0red, @ isn't needed on irc, the nick is sufficient
[14:38] <b0red> BluesKaj haha cheers
[14:39] <nschoe> Hum I've noticed we use colorgcc, I'
[14:39] <nschoe> ll look into that
[14:39] <kshenoy> ioria: Right, how does that start? Or, what starts it?
[14:41] <ioria> kshenoy, it's a service started (if configured) by init
[14:41] <ioria> kshenoy, xinit
[14:42] <kshenoy> ioria: Got it. Thanks. Ok, back to the original question. If I want to source ~/.xinitrc on startup, what would be a good way to do it? Source it in Startup applications?
[14:43] <ioria> kshenoy, no need for it anymore, i think
[14:43] <ioria> kshenoy, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xinitrc
[14:44] <ioria> kshenoy, no, you need a .xinitrc in your home
[14:45] <kshenoy> ioria: Ok, basically I have some setxkbmap and xcape calls in there that I want to source
[14:45] <ioria> kshenoy,  i use it for configure some window manager, like twm
[14:47] <ioria> kshenoy,  maybe his can help http://askubuntu.com/questions/177824/remapping-caps-lock-to-control-and-escape-not-the-usual-way
[14:47] <nschoe> For those who followed the #define pi problem, we've managed to "solve" it by #undef pi before #include <gst/gst.h> and #define pi 3.14159 after. Currently trying to see if #define pi is in gst/gst.h...
[14:48] <mguy> nschoe: :) Let me know what you find
[14:48] <nschoe> mguy, http://www.mit.edu/afs.new/athena/astaff/source/src-9.3/third/gstreamer/gst/gst.h apparently no #define pi in there...
[14:49] <kshenoy> ioria: Hmm, he put it in .xprofile. Thanks, I'll try that
[14:49] <ioria> kshenoy, good luck
[14:49] <mguy> nschoe: can you pastebin the whole compile error
[14:50] <nschoe> mguy, I'm asking the guy.
[14:51] <nschoe> mguy, "/path/to/source.c:100: error: expected ';', ',' or ')' before numeric constant"
[14:57] <jhutchins> Rumors were that MS was porting Edge to Ubuntu this month.  Anything on the Ubuntu radar?
[14:59] <Elise001_> Thank you, b0red.
[14:59] <b0red> Elise001_ if you run into any problems, a quick google may help or just ask in here
[15:01] <r4d1um> jhutchins source?
[15:02] <Venko> OK on the other side of the spectrum then: How do I go about picking a thinkpad for Ubuntu in the UK?
[15:03] <Pici> Venko: Theres a lot of good information on thinkwiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/
 hello
[15:06] <mguy> nschoe: did you ask around in #c?
[15:06] <Venko> Pici: Thanks but how do I use this to find which are the thinkpads to consider at the moment? It has a buyer's guide but it looks really out of date.
[15:07] <Pici> Venko: hrm.. it was good when I was using it, which I guess was a few years ago.  Sorry :/
[15:07] <nschoe> mguy, no actually we were focused on the fact that it worked on Ubuntu 14.04 and not 16.04. I'll hang in #c now
[15:08] <Aziz_> hello
[15:09] <Aziz_> any budy knows about how i could setup .exe applications on ubuntu
[15:09] <baizon> Aziz_: you need wine
[15:09] <Aziz_> not working with my application
[15:09] <k1l> !wine | Aziz_
[15:09] <k1l> or ask the project to support ubuntu.
[15:10] <Feren^IRCCloud> Hello Everyone,
[15:10] <Aziz_> it's SPSS application
[15:10] <ducasse> Aziz_: if it doesn't work with wine you can use a virtual machine with windows.
[15:12] <ducasse> !virtualizers | Aziz_
[15:13] <k1l> wine app datapase has entries for spss and pasw. so one might want to invest some effort to read it.
[15:13] <Aziz_> it always error
[15:13] <leru> I have package-loss with my ubuntu server, especially with TeamSpeak. Is there an error log or so, which i can check for that kind of stuff?
[15:14] <jhutchins> Aziz_: THe preferred method is to find a native Linux application that will do the same thing.
[15:15] <Aziz_> all my works was with spss
[15:15] <BluesKaj> leru, if /var/log monitors ubuntu-server
[15:16] <Aziz_> i don't know there's another app could read the spss files or not
[15:16] <SaltyCatFish> Hey all, cant remember the name of the file where you can store username and passwords for ssh.  I think its a 3 liner for each, with just un/pw/ip.  Anyone know?  Googled but must not be explaining correctly
[15:17] <SchrodingersScat> !info pspp | Aziz_
[15:17] <Donitzo> really simple linux question, how do I recursively set 640 +X for directories in a single command?
[15:17] <SaltyCatFish> Donitzo: chmod -R
[15:18] <Donitzo> Yeah I know it's -R for recursive, but I don't know how to use +X together with 640
[15:18] <Donitzo> if I set 640 first I can't actually set +X because it can't go through the directories anymore
[15:18] <SchrodingersScat> Aziz_: PSPP is a program for statistical analysis of sampled data. It is a free replacement for the proprietary program SPSS. <--there you go
[15:19] <Aziz_> i saw it now it's so simple
[15:20] <Aziz_> i use spss for econometric study
[15:20] <Aziz_> pspp will not fit with the data
[15:20] <SchrodingersScat> k
[15:23] <ruyicruz> hello there. I've disabled wifi on my ubuntu 16 to save battery. now when I click on enable wifi I got a tick in "enabled" but there are no wifi in range (witch is false, I've my rounter in less than a meter). how do I solve this? :)
[15:28] <akik> Donitzo: 640 and +x is not a compatible setting (+x = 1)
[15:29] <akik> Donitzo: what you probably want is 750
[15:30] <Donitzo> akik: only for directories
[15:30] <Donitzo> +X
[15:30] <akik> Donitzo: what is capital x?
[15:31] <Donitzo> only for directories
[15:31] <Donitzo> X (special execute) is not a permission in itself but rather can be used instead of x. It applies execute permissions to directories regardless of their current permissions and applies execute permissions to a file which already has at least 1 execute permission bit already set (either user, group or other).
[15:31] <Donitzo> but you are however right, I do want 750
[15:32] <Donitzo> and then I just remove execute from files and add it to directories
[15:32] <Donitzo> remove x from all*
[15:32] <Donitzo> -x+X
[15:58] <dax> u=rwX,g=rX,o=
[15:58] <nikbjork> Is there anyone with experience of playing football manager at ubuntu 16.04?
[15:58] <dax> Donitzo: u=rwX,g=rX,o= would work
[15:58] <Donitzo> thank you
[15:59] <dax> Donitzo: depends what the current state of things and what exactly you want to do is though, I guess. in cases where things are really messed up I've done 750 and then used `find -type f' to remove x from files
[15:59] <Donitzo> shouldn't -x+X work just as well as find?
[16:00] <pr3d4t0r> Greetings.
[16:01] <pr3d4t0r> Q. /etc/shadow - how is the shadow password generated in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?  The format doesn't match crypt(3) information re: Glibc notes.  Thanks in advance.
[16:01]  * pr3d4t0r continues research.
[16:02] <nacc> pr3d4t0r: did you check `man shadow` ?
[16:02] <dax> Donitzo: when I tested it, I ended up with execute bit still being set on files
[16:03] <dax> nacc: man shadow says to check crypt(3) ;)
[16:03] <pr3d4t0r> nacc: Yes.
[16:03] <pr3d4t0r> dax: Exactly :)
[16:03] <nacc> dax: pr3d4t0r: ah sorry :)
[16:04] <pr3d4t0r> According to crypt(3) the format is $id$salt$encrypted, but I see $blechstuffhere/andmore instead.
[16:04] <dax> pr3d4t0r: mine look like $6$foo$bar/baz
[16:05] <dax> which would be SHA-512
[16:05] <pr3d4t0r> dax: Yup.
[16:05] <pr3d4t0r> dax: I see some boxes here that follow the crypt(3) expected result, one box doesn't.
[16:05] <pr3d4t0r> dax: Need to check *why*, and then decide what to do about it.
[16:06] <dax> although according to the bottom of crypt(3), / is a valid part of the encrypted password, so i guess it's just $6$foo$bar
[16:06] <dax> pr3d4t0r: does the odd one start with $6$ still?
[16:06] <dax> or is it just one $ total
[16:07] <pr3d4t0r> dax: Dammit, I'm a moron.
[16:07] <pr3d4t0r> dax: I was looking through the wrong filter -- the "$" were being stripped.
[16:07] <pr3d4t0r> dax: Thakns :)
[16:07] <dax> :)
[16:07]  * pr3d4t0r hangs his head in shame.
[16:18] <who> hi
[16:18] <who> hi all
[16:18] <Ratnesh> hello
[16:18] <who> need a help
[16:18] <Ratnesh> yes
[16:19] <nacc> !ask | who
[16:19] <Nate_> %t
[16:19] <who> dolby digital plus cannot be installed on Ubuntu 16.04
[16:20] <nacc> who: is that a package?
[16:20] <Ratnesh> tell about dolby digital plus
[16:20] <umoukun> is the latest kernel   79 or 88 ?
[16:21] <nacc> umoukun: for what version of ubuntu?
[16:21] <umoukun> 14.04lts
[16:21] <who> driver for sound card
[16:21] <ducasse> who: is that windows software?
[16:21] <nacc> umoukun: .88.94 is in -security and -updates
[16:21] <Ratnesh> how i will check the version of kernel
[16:22] <who> ducasse @ sound card driver software
[16:22] <joelio> Ratnesh: apt-cache policy linux-generic
[16:22] <ducasse> who: for windows or linux?
[16:22] <joelio> is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ down?
[16:22] <nacc> joelio: no.
[16:22] <Secret-Fire> how can i disable screen lock/screen saver in 16.04
[16:23] <umoukun> hmm
[16:23] <nacc> who: 'dolby digital plus' is a technology, afaik. What sound card?
[16:23] <who> it is really for windows , if it cannot install on ubuntu I will never get optimum performence of laptop speaker
[16:23] <umoukun> nacc: do you know why when I do apt-get dist-upgrade it keeps using 79 instead of 88?
[16:23] <joelio> one would assume it's in relation to DTS, 7.1 support etc.
[16:23] <who> @ ducasse
[16:23] <joelio> I doubt it's on the soundcard, but via digital channel, like HDMI
[16:23] <joelio> could be wrong :)
[16:23] <ducasse> who: a windows sound card driver will not work on linux.
[16:23] <Ratnesh> i think we cant install windows package in linux
[16:23] <nacc> umoukun: did you run `apt-get update` first?
[16:24] <umoukun> $ ls /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-*
[16:24] <umoukun> /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-79-generic  /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-88-generic
[16:24] <umoukun> yeah
[16:24] <who> nacc@ yeah
[16:24] <nacc> who: what sound card?
[16:24] <nacc> umoukun: you have 88 installed...
[16:25] <nacc> umoukun: when you say "it keeps using", what is the "it" in that sentence?
[16:25] <who> @ lenovo g50 is my laptop
[16:25] <umoukun> nacc: $ uname -r
[16:25] <umoukun> 3.13.0-79-generic
[16:25] <joelio> who: dobby digital plus is for multichannel sound (surround sound), you won't get the benefit on laptop speakers
[16:25] <who> nacc@
[16:26] <joelio> unless you put headphones in and use binarual conversion ;)
[16:26] <BluesKaj> who,  @ is not needed on irc
[16:26] <umoukun> nacc: grub is apparently using 79 still
[16:26] <nacc> umoukun: right, you just booted into the 79 kernel
[16:26] <nacc> umoukun: i suppose it depends on your grub settings, etc, what kernel you would use
[16:26] <nacc> umoukun: so reboot and pick the right one :)
[16:27] <Ratnesh> how  we will check kernal version
[16:27] <nacc> Ratnesh: that was answered already.
[16:27] <who> joelio @ it works perfect in windows
[16:27] <umoukun> I dont have access to the kernel
[16:27] <ducasse> who: linux is not windows.
[16:27] <umoukun> I mean
[16:27] <Ratnesh> did'nt get
[16:27] <pr3d4t0r> Have a great day, Everyone.
[16:27] <umoukun> I dont have access to the bootloader
[16:27] <nacc> Ratnesh: you can see the running kernel via `uname -r` and the pacakged versions via `apt-cache policy linux-generic`
[16:27] <Jordan_U> umoukun: Please pastebin the output of "sudo update-grub".
[16:27] <yeezus> Hello, where does Ubuntu store its Touchpad configuration? Comparing to other Distros, Touchpad behavior in Ubuntu is better, so i'd like to know what changes Ubuntu applied. Thanks in advance
[16:28] <who> yeah I know but i think there might be a chance
[16:28] <joelio> who: sure, but multi channel audio is generally for surround sound.. so on your laptop speakers it may not sound too goo :)
[16:28] <joelio> you should *maybe* be able to get 2 channel working thogh
[16:28] <joelio> just DTS, probably not
[16:28] <ducasse> who: sorry, but a windows sound card driver will not work under linux.
[16:29] <umoukun> http://pastebin.com/1ybNgBNB
[16:29] <who> i tried with wine but never worked
[16:29] <joelio> who: if you show some diagnostics, like lscpi output and pastebin it, I'll look
[16:29] <umoukun> do I run grub or grub2?
[16:29] <joelio> 2 channel may have some support and tbh nvidia HDMI audio supports 5.1 / 7.1 etc but just knowing Dobly, linux support may be minimal
[16:30] <BluesKaj> whu which audio chip ?
[16:30] <BluesKaj> who ^
[16:30] <Yuri4_> Hi! I'm troubleshooting SSH login issue. Some guy on serverfault told me that he would ike to see output of ssh -vvv. What is that?
[16:31] <nacc> Yuri4_: outputs verbose information see `man ssh`
[16:31] <joelio> who: also wine is just an emulation layer, it's not really Windows (maybe in virtualbox/kmv with device passthrough.. but that's another can of worms(
[16:31] <Yuri4_> nacc, I did see man ssh
[16:31] <Yuri4_> oh
[16:31] <Yuri4_> thanks
[16:31] <who> i am a beginner I do not know how to find audio chip in windows
[16:31] <Yuri4_> but why -vvv? triple?
[16:31] <nacc> umoukun: i think they are aliased together (so you don't have to know)
[16:31] <ouroumov> Very verbose
[16:31] <joelio> Yuri4_: super verbose
[16:31] <Ratnesh> @ nacc 3.19.0.61.59 0
[16:32] <nacc> Yuri4_: from `man ssh`: 'Multiple -v options increase the verbosity.'
[16:32] <nacc> Yuri4_: hence, why I said read `man ssh` :)
[16:32] <nacc> Ratnesh: hrm? you don't need '@' on IRC. Not sure what you are trying to tell me.
[16:32] <Yuri4_> nacc, thanks! He also requested sshd logs. How do I get thouse?
[16:33] <nacc> Yuri4_: i wonder if you might start sshd (presming you have some other access to the remote) without daemonizing
[16:33] <umoukun> nacc: aliased together?
[16:33] <nacc> umoukun: see ls -ahl `which update-grub` `which update-grub2`
[16:34] <nacc> umoukun: update-grub2 is just a symlink to update-grub
[16:34] <umoukun> oh
[16:34] <joelio> who: do you know command line, if so type -  lspci  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:34] <umoukun> so any idea why its using the older kernel?
[16:34] <joelio> and paste the link in here
[16:34] <Ratnesh> nacc:3.19.0.61.59 0 this is showing
[16:34] <nacc> umoukun: you haven't booted into the newer one?
[16:34] <nacc> Ratnesh: what is 'it'?
[16:34] <joelio> who: in ubuntu, of course :)
[16:34] <umoukun> nacc: shouldnt I just be able to reboot?
[16:35] <nacc> Ratnesh: you're using vivid? or the vivid-LTS stack on trusty?
[16:35] <umoukun> like I said, I dont have access to the bootloader menu
[16:35] <Ratnesh> version table
[16:35] <umoukun> when I reboot, it comes up as the old one
[16:35] <nacc> Ratnesh: not sure why you are telling me?
[16:35] <nacc> Ratnesh: as in, do you have a question?
[16:35] <Ratnesh> vivid????
[16:36] <nacc> Ratnesh: 3.19.x is the vivid kernel (iirc)
[16:36] <umoukun> just comment out the config for the old on in grub.cfg?
[16:36] <who> joelio @ tell a code for windows
[16:36] <who> now I am using windows for irc
[16:36] <joelio> who: sorry, this is an ubuntu channel
[16:36] <joelio> I don't use windows
[16:36] <MatheusNil> hi
[16:36] <joelio> I'm also off home now, bye :)
[16:36] <Ratnesh> because i didn't understand
[16:37] <Ratnesh> thanks
[16:37] <who> what information do you nee @ joelio
[16:38] <joelio> who: sorry, I'm going home now, I think multichannel will be difficult to get going (Linux audio is hard)
[16:38] <joelio> but you could, maybe, get 2 channel
[16:38] <nacc> who: https://github.com/leoluk/thinkpad-stuff/wiki/Haswell-ThinkPad-problems#linux-low-audio-quality
[16:38] <nacc> who: may be worth reading and undersatnding
[16:39] <nacc> who: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound as well, not sure if it's current
[16:40] <BluesKaj> joelio, I use multichannel settings on my audio outs, what are you trying to do?
[16:40] <joelio> I'm not doing anything
[16:40] <umoukun> what the hell
[16:40] <umoukun> I commented out 79 from /boot/grub/grub.cfg and it STILL boots to that
[16:40] <joelio> BluesKaj: I used to write the automation for a broadcaster to do Linux Audio, I'm a heavy jack/pulse user ;)
[16:41] <joelio> it wasn't me that had the issue :)
[16:41] <who> nacc@ thanks for the tips
[16:41] <umoukun> how is this even possible
[16:41] <nacc> BluesKaj: --^ who is the one asking
[16:41] <BluesKaj> ok , joelio think i dressed the wrong guy anyway
[16:41] <BluesKaj> addrtessed that is :-)
[16:41] <joelio>  BluesKaj ah. no worries
[16:41] <joelio> right, home, laters :)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> I don't use jack , it's nor needed in my setup
[16:42] <who> which anti virus is best for ubuntu
[16:42] <nacc> !av | who
[16:43] <who> i want little bit protection
[16:43] <BluesKaj> who why don't you do some reading instead of asking random questions about linux apps
[16:44] <nacc> umoukun: you may want to look at `man grub-set-default`
[16:44] <effectnet> geez some ppl might need it if they work with windows
[16:44] <who> if i can waste time reading stuff !  why i wan waste my time here
[16:44] <effectnet> lol
[16:47] <nacc> effectnet: that was literally what is in the faq :)
[16:47] <nacc> who: that is not a great attitude.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> reading stuff about linux is wasting time , who ?
[16:48] <who> nacc @ i am beginner I need guidence
[16:48] <ducasse> who: you do not need antivirus for linux. period. if you absolutely insist on one, there is clamav.
[16:48] <nacc> who: you were given guidance, as well.
 who: you do not need antivirus for linux. period. if you absolutely insist on one, there is clamav.
[16:48] <umoukun> lel
[16:48] <nacc> who: please stop using '@', it's not needed on irc
[16:48] <umoukun> just like you dont need antivirus for android either
[16:50] <DArqueBishop> who: I've been using Linux for a couple of decades now, and the only reason I've ever needed to run AV on any of my Linux boxes is for scanning mail on mail servers for infected messages meant for Windows boxes.
[16:50] <ajf-> ubuntu just failed installation  because it could not install grub
[16:50] <robotti^> android is totally different case than linux desktop
[16:50] <ajf-> should I partition again ?
[16:51] <who> I was using Microsoft word , now i am using libre office problem is ..  spell check is not good as Ms word ; How can I add Ms dictionary to lbreoffice
[16:53] <soso> 454536545654726
[16:54] <soso> 0317
[16:54] <soso> 388
[16:54] <nacc> soso: stop.
[16:54] <bozsikarmand> hi
[16:54] <soso> Hi ineed hellp
[16:55] <bozsikarmand> soso, what are you doing? It seems to be spam.
[16:55] <soso> i need visa card
[16:55] <nacc> soso: wrong channel, this is for Ubuntu support.
[16:55] <Myrtti> 1) walk into a bank 2) apply 3) ???? 4) PROFIT!
[16:55] <who> ha ha ha
[16:55] <nacc> Myrtti: heh :)
[16:56] <soso> I want how to obtain a Visa Card Numbers
[16:56] <bozsikarmand> soso, for legal purposes, right? :D
[16:56] <Myrtti> soso: you're in the wrong channel, and network. Please stop.
[16:56] <DArqueBishop> soso: you are SO in the wrong channel for that.
[16:56] <who> soso go to dark web
[16:57] <Myrtti> can we not give any advice on the matter?
[16:57] <bozsikarmand> Myrtti, you did.
[16:57] <soso> How to get if
[16:57] <Myrtti> bozsikarmand: I'm sure you know it's not really the kind of advice he wants or needs.
[16:58] <Myrtti> soso: no.
[16:58] <MWM> I am haviung trouble with ffmpeg and WinFF in ubuntu:  first WinFF claimed it could not find ffmpeg, so I used "whereis ffmpeg" to find it and pointed WinFF to it, but now it claims it does not have the correct permissions
[16:59] <SchrodingersScat> MWM: odd, it should just need to be able to execute it, you installed both via repos?
[16:59] <soso> Give me this program, and he said to me in the Visa numbers
[16:59] <Myrtti> soso: just stop. Last warning.
[16:59] <tgm4883> !illegal | soso
[17:00] <MWM> I think I installed via the repos.... "sudo apt-get install *" right?
[17:00] <nacc> MWM: yeah
[17:00] <MWM> then yes
[17:00] <nacc> MWM: well, presuming you're not using any PPAs...
[17:00] <SchrodingersScat> MWM: right, sudo apt-get install ffmpeg should set that up no problem
[17:00] <bozsikarmand> Myrtti, then anything else is illegal. With other words: I am sure about that we cannot help himp in his needs.
[17:01]  * dax facepalms
[17:01] <MWM> "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg" claims that I already have the lastest version.  From there I used "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get upgrade" to ensure that all the proper services and everything had been started
[17:01] <ruyicruz> hello there. I've disabled wifi on my ubuntu 16 to save battery. now when I click on enable wifi I got a tick in "enabled" but there are no wifi in range (witch is false, I've my rounter in less than a meter). how do I solve this? :)
[17:01] <SchrodingersScat> MWM: and ffmpeg should be 755 permissions by default
[17:02] <CodeMouse92> (Well, he didn't hide his IP for one thing.)
[17:02] <CodeMouse92> (Although he may have been using a proxy, given that he was coming through Denmark?)
[17:03] <Raccoon1400> I'm trying to repair boot for by ubuntu after installing windows. I'm in the live usb trying to install boot repair but apt can't load archive.ubuntu.com
[17:03] <Raccoon1400> I can ping it though
[17:03] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: from the chroot?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ruyicruz, try , sudo systemctl restart network-manager
[17:04] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: Just trying to follow these steps, says nothing abour chroot
[17:04] <SchrodingersScat> MWM: ls -lah /usr/bin/ffmpeg  output: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 231K Mar 14 12:32 /usr/bin/ffmpeg
[17:04] <Raccoon1400> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[17:04] <MWM> 775 = rwxr-xr-x ?  Please excuse me, but I am not fluent in permissions tey
[17:04] <SchrodingersScat> see above
[17:04] <ajf-> nothing ?
[17:05] <MWM> when I used "whereis"  I was directed to "/usr/share/ffmpeg" not "/usr/bin"
[17:05] <ioria> MWM, cat /etc/issue
[17:06] <MWM> 15.10 \n \l
[17:06] <Kallis> Could anyone possibly help me with my openvpn setup, I can connect fine but I cannot access internet when connected or the local shares on the VPN server
[17:06] <BluesKaj> MWM, it should also be in /usr/bin
[17:07] <MWM> can I just copy it from its current location with cp and then remove the one I dont need? Is that a viable option?
[17:08] <MWM> whereis ffmpeg
[17:08] <ioria> MWM, ls /usr/bin/ffmpeg
[17:08] <MWM> whoops...supposed to be in the terminal :)
[17:08] <BluesKaj> MWM, , you can copy it to /usr/bin, but also leave it in /usr/share
[17:09] <dorei> is there a way to make ubuntu think that python package is installed without actually installing it?
[17:09] <MWM> ls /usr/bin/ffmpeg outputs No such file or directory
[17:09] <ioria> MWM,   apt-cache policy ffmpeg
[17:11] <MWM> apt-chace policy lists version number and the repos it came from with a 500 out in front (if you need the exact output I can give that as well
[17:11] <nacc> !paste | MWM
[17:12] <nacc> MWM: pastebin the full output
[17:13] <Raccoon1400> Anyone else having trouble with apt-get update at the moment? It keeps stalling on archive.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <MWM> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17652036/
[17:16] <MWM> sorry it took a minute...cant copy paste because of the way Im set up... had to do it by hand
[17:17] <genii> Raccoon1400: Perhaps change archive.ubuntu.com to a localized repo, like us.archive.ubuntu.com  ( or a different country code if not the US) and try again
[17:17] <ioria> MWM,   ls /usr/bin/ffplay
[17:18] <MWM> output = no such file or directory
[17:21] <ioria> MWM,  have you tried to reinstall ?
[17:21] <Raccoon1400> genii: can you remind me where to do that?
[17:21] <MWM> to be honest, even though that is my go to move, I had forgotten to do so... Ill give it a shot :)
[17:22] <genii> Raccoon1400: /et/apt/sources.list   ...make sure to edit with admin priveleges
[17:22] <nacc> MWM: fwiw, i just spun up a wily container and install ffmpeg and it put it in /usr/bin
[17:22] <swati_27> Hello. I'm receiving this error. Please look.
[17:22] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BspJXvGg/
[17:23] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WnXwEaU1/
[17:23] <nacc> MWM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17652353/
[17:23] <MWM> must have just gotten moved around in an update or something then.... uninstalling now, so Ill report back after the reinstall
[17:23] <nacc> MWM: gl!
[17:24] <MWM> thanks
[17:24] <Raccoon1400> genii: seems to make no difference. Got to 78% instantly then stopped
[17:24] <Raccoon1400> sometimes it stalls at 100%
[17:24] <MWM> after a reinstall its in the right place.  Thanks guys!
[17:25] <ioria> np
[17:25] <genii> Raccoon1400: Is your Ubuntu End-Of-Life?
[17:25] <Raccoon1400> genii: 14.04 I think
[17:26] <nacc> MWM: great!
[17:26] <Raccoon1400> Just trying to fix an install on my dad's machine I use as recovery
[17:27] <Raccoon1400> Maybe I should just download the new one
[17:27] <MWM> lsb_release -a  will show your version number
[17:27] <MWM> just looked it up a minute ago so I know it works :)
[17:27] <genii> Raccoon1400: If different repos and same issue, try deleting all the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ and then try again
[17:28] <swati_27> could you please help with above error?
[17:28] <nacc> swati_27: what version of ubuntu? your issue appears to be a mysql configuration one?
[17:29] <swati_27> KUbuntu 16.04
[17:30] <Raccoon1400> genii: that doesn't seem to do it either. Could it be it is too old a version?
[17:30] <nacc> swati_27: are you a being affected by teh non-root user trying to login as root w/o password? cf. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#MySQL_5.7
[17:30] <ioria> Raccoon1400, can you ping www.google.com without packets lost ?
[17:31] <genii> Raccoon1400: What does: cat /etc/issue   ...report?
[17:31] <Raccoon1400> ioria: yes, I can ping the repo too
[17:31] <swati_27> nacc: I didn't set any password for root as you see above in table
[17:32] <Raccoon1400> genii: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l
[17:32] <ioria> Raccoon1400,  uname -r ?
[17:32] <Raccoon1400> 3.13.0-24 generic
[17:33] <genii> Well, so not EOL then at least
[17:33] <ioria> Raccoon1400,  well, a bit old ... yes... but
[17:33] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: can you upload pastes?
[17:34] <EriC^^> see if "echo something | nc termbin.com 9999" works
[17:35] <Bashing-om> Raccoon1400: I just joined, I do not know the issue here, but you are seriously behind on updates: " sysop@1404mini:~$ uname -r >> 3.13.0-88-generic " .
[17:35] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: it's a live usb
[17:35] <Raccoon1400> Bashing-om: I'm on the live usb
[17:35] <ajf-> GRUB installation failed (as superuser): The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system with not boot. <--- In the middle of Ubuntu 16.04 MATE install process. What can I do ?
[17:35] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: uploading paste worked
[17:36] <EriC^^> ajf-: install it manually, type sudo grub-install
[17:36] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Raccoon1400 K .. never mind .,.. I crawl back in my lurking hole . :)
[17:36] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:37] <ajf-> EriC^^ but on the terminal I will be on the USB. I am guessing I need to mount the installation disk ?
[17:37] <ham> #qgis
[17:38] <ioria> Raccoon1400,  i did't get you were on live... nvm
[17:38] <EriC^^> ajf-: yeah
[17:38] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: termbin.com/sc6x
[17:38] <EriC^^> ajf-: are you familiar with chrooting?
[17:39] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: type sudo mount /dev/sdb6 /mnt
[17:39] <ajf-> EriC^^ sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt; chroot /mnt /bin/bash ?
[17:39] <ruyicruz> hello. my wireless in unbutu its not working. i've disable and now when I enable it ot shows up as enabled on the ticker but it does not show any networks. any hint?
[17:39] <EriC^^> ajf-: you also need to mount --bind the virtual fs
[17:40] <EriC^^> (mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys; /proc /run /dev /dev/pts)
[17:40] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: Okay, I mounted that
[17:40] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: type the following
[17:41] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:41] <EriC^^> ajf-: ^ you can use that command
[17:42] <ajf-> wait but
[17:42] <ajf-> do I mount /sda2 (the ext partition) or /sda1 (the EFI part)
[17:42] <EriC^^> ajf-: the ext partition
[17:42] <EriC^^> ajf-: after you do sudo chroot /mnt then type "mount -a" to mount the rest of the fs
[17:43] <ajf-> alright I'm there
[17:43] <ajf-> grub-install ?
[17:43] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:43] <ducasse> ajf-: you must also mount the efi partition inside the chroot.
[17:43] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: syntax error near unexpected token "done"
[17:43] <ajf-> ducasse sudo mount /dev/sda1 /boot ?
[17:43] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: must have missed something
[17:43] <ajf-> mount -a did that no ?
[17:44] <ducasse> ajf-: /boot/efi
[17:44] <EriC^^> ajf-: no, just type mount -a
[17:44] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:44] <ajf-> error. /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory
[17:44] <DeaDSouL> hi, does anyone know how to delete some steam game settings & configs? i just want to delete all custom configs and settings for "tomb raider" but i don't know which folder or file that I should delete... could anyone help me?
[17:44] <ajf-> (grub-install)
[17:44] <EriC^^> ajf-: try to reinstall the grub package itself
[17:44] <ajf-> sudo apt install grub
[17:44] <EriC^^> ajf-: apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed
[17:45] <EriC^^> ajf-: no, please type dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:45] <OerHeks> !steam
[17:45] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: mount -B $i /mnt$i; done?
[17:45] <ajf-> ok 1 sec. the install crashed and it's sending a report ..
[17:45] <Raccoon1400> Typed exactly that
[17:45] <ajf-> I'm stil in terminall though I hope
[17:45] <DeaDSouL> hey EriC^^, long time.. how have you been? :)
[17:45] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: you have to type the whole line from for i ... til done
[17:45] <EriC^^> DeaDSouL: hey :)
[17:46] <EriC^^> godo thanks, yourself?
[17:46] <ioria> Raccoon1400, Eric^^ don't you think his / partition is a bit small   9461MB  ?
[17:46] <EriC^^> *good
[17:46] <ajf-> getaddrinfo temporary failure... no command dkpg found
[17:46] <DeaDSouL> i'm fine thanks :)
[17:46] <ajf-> ha.
[17:46] <ajf-> alright hum
[17:47] <EriC^^> ioria: Raccoon1400 yeah it is kind of small
[17:47] <Raccoon1400> ioria: it's just a backup install on my dad's machine, just something to boot into for recovery/diagnostic purposes
[17:47] <ioria> Raccoon1400,  oh, isee
[17:47] <ajf-> failed to fetch the packages
[17:47] <ajf-> maybe I am not partitioning this right. it shouldn't be failing at all
[17:47] <ducasse> ajf-: copy /etc/resolv.conf from outside the chroot into it.
[17:47] <ajf-> I did fiddle with /boot/ before
[17:48] <ajf-> but now I'm wiping everything so it shouldn't matter
[17:48] <ajf-> ok
[17:48] <EriC^^> ajf-: ok, in the chroot type "find /boot/efi | grep ubuntu"
[17:48] <EriC^^> ajf-: see if there's a shimx64.efi or grubx64.efi file
[17:49] <ajf-> find /boot/efi | grep ubuntu
[17:49] <ajf-> no output
[17:50] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: okay, got that command, what's next
[17:50] <ajf-> but I have ping inside the chroot
[17:50] <ajf-> so I'll get grub
[17:53] <Malinux> Bashing-om: I too is intereserted in figureing out the issue :) I just needed some sleep :) I realy do appreciate your help on this :)
[17:54] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: type sudo chroot /mnt
[17:54] <EriC^^> ajf-: ok
[17:54] <ajf-> weird, probably not related: grub for the USB disk starts with "Linux Mint" (???) instead of Ubuntu MATE
[17:55] <ajf-> ( I tried that distro before )
[17:55] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: okay, did that
[17:55] <EriC^^> ajf-: that's odd
[17:55] <Raccoon1400> I used to use this method but haven't had to in years
[17:55] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
[17:55] <ajf-> I just reenabled "secure" boot in the bios which is the only change I had done before, and restarted the live usb. let me know if I shoud do anything before attempting to install again
[17:55] <EriC^^> ajf-: try apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64-signed
[17:56] <EriC^^> ajf-: also dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:56] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: looks like it was successful. Reboot now?
[17:56] <ajf-> directly on the usb stick ?
[17:56] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: update-grub
[17:56] <EriC^^> ajf-: from the chroot
[17:56] <ajf-> ah I'm out of there, I restarted to get the bios settings
[17:56] <ajf-> I guess I can mount /sda again
[17:56] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: okay, not reboot?
[17:56] <Raccoon1400> *now reboot?
[17:56] <ajf-> but those two commands failed me before
[17:57] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: yeah, type exit then reboot
[17:57] <EriC^^> ajf-: do you have internet connection from the live usb?
[17:57] <Bashing-om> Malinux: I am no nearer a "good" solution to find what is holding that library to the elevated version . Not the best thing to do .. but we can remove it, and force install the correct version; see what breaks .
[17:57] <ajf-> I had ping to 8.8.8.8
[17:57] <ajf-> but apparently no name resolving
[17:58] <EriC^^> even from the live usb? (not the chroot)
[17:58] <Raccoon1400> EriC^^: Thanks for your help, seems to be working now
[17:58] <EriC^^> Raccoon1400: cool, no problem
[17:58] <ajf-> now I have no connection but apparently because of a different issue (it shows my wifi card as disconnected)
[17:58] <ajf-> ok let me narrow this down and come back
[17:59] <ubuntu> lol
[17:59] <ajf-> basically getting back to the "grub error"
[17:59] <ajf-> and then I'll chroot etc
[17:59] <ubuntu> Are stupid
[18:00] <Guest11585> WTF WJAT IS THIS APLIcation
[18:00] <MonkeyDust> Guest11585  caps
[18:00] <OerHeks> Guest11585, time to read the topic
[18:00] <MonkeyDust> Guest5841  type   /topic
[18:02] <Malinux> Bashing-om: okey. How do we force version 1.4 ?
[18:02] <Bashing-om> !info libwayland-client0 trusty
[18:03] <Bashing-om> Malinux: ^^ that is the lib we are working, right ?
[18:04] <Malinux> Bashing-om: yes, after digging down the hole, we stopped there :)
[18:06] <nibjork> Anyone who tried installing FM2016 with wine in ubuntu?
[18:06] <Bashing-om> makije: K; let's take a look at what is going to break when we remove it . ' sudo apt remove -s libwayland-client0 ' where the 's' flag is "simulate' to see what will happen but do not do it .
[18:06] <MonkeyDust> nibjork  that's a yes/no question, better ask your real question
[18:07] <guest-9ztvEy> ldfjksdf
[18:10] <nibjork> MonkeyDust, that was my real question? I just wonder if someone has done it with success? Because i read that there is slight problems with Football Manager 2016
[18:11] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17654658/
[18:11] <OerHeks> !wine
[18:12] <Pici> OerHeks: they're gone :/
[18:12] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Look'n .
[18:12] <Malinux> Bashing-om: :)
[18:14] <Guy1524> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17654766/, what is going on?
[18:16] <c|oneman> anyone use thinlinc
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> what happened to the !anyone factoid?
[18:18] <nacc> Guy1524: where does libcuda1-367 come from? `apt-cache policy libcuda1-367` (pastebin)
[18:19] <OerHeks> c|oneman, seen our wiki ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinLinc
[18:19] <c|oneman> I didn't know it was populaer
[18:19] <OerHeks> It's a 3th party app, so not that populair.
[18:20] <c|oneman> popular enough to have a wiki entry
[18:20] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Stewing over what " apt-cache depends qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin " means to our situation . Think'n and look'n .
[18:21] <Malinux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17655199/
[18:24] <xian> problem with LO Base moving an integrated file from one computer to other. Anyone?
[18:27] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Looks like we have to fix this prior to addressing the other . We have "Breaks: qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin:i386" so, what is installed - apt-cache policy "qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin*" - ?
[18:28] <Malinux> Bashing-om: apt-cache policy "qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin*
[18:29] <Bashing-om> Malinux: apt-cache policy "qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin*" // we enclose the '*' in quotes , to expand for all .
[18:31] <Malinux> Bashing-om: ah, like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17655661/
[18:34] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Yeah .. Not what I had expected .. the correct version is installed .. and no :i386 . Gimme a bit to scratch my head and figure out what is going on here .
[18:34] <Malinux> Bashing-om: okey :)
[18:38] <ppf> i'm playing around with bluetooth here. how do i list supported my local device's supported profiles properly?
[18:38] <ppf> internet suggests sdptool, but that comes back with "No route to host"?
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> ppf  try blueman
[18:42] <ppf> hm, that lists network and obex as local services
[18:42] <ppf> what i'm trying to do is check the proximity of my phon
[18:42] <ppf> e
[18:44] <ppf> so i guess i need to figure out if this on board bluetooth chip supports PXP?
[18:46] <ppf> any idea how to do that?
[18:48] <futurama140> I have Ubuntu 16.04 with cinnamon DE and I am having two problems:
[18:48] <Raccoon1400> I can't mount my windows partitions from ubuntu. It keeps telling me the ntfs is in an unsafe state, even after checking and fixing
[18:48] <Raccoon1400> for both the main and data drives
[18:50] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: FWIW, I get a similar error when I try to mount a windows partition for 7 or later, due to "quick boot" being turned on for Windows.
[18:51] <CodeMouse92> It kinda holds the partition in a special state of some sort, but I'm not being technically precise.
[18:51] <CodeMouse92> All I know is, I had to shut off "quick boot" on Windows.
[18:51] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: I didn't have this problem with the last win10 install
[18:51] <CodeMouse92> s/Quick Boot/Fast Startup
[18:52] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: I'm just wondering if the last one had Fast Startup turned off, and this one has it on
[18:52] <futurama140> First, when I click Notifications in my panel and install all updates, it proceeds to open an "upgrading system" window that begins to download updates, when I get an error that says "Failed to download package files Check your internet connection." and gives these details: http://pastebin.com/hfMZ61RR
[18:53] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: Maybe. Is it a good feature to have?
[18:53] <hexicpyth> futurama140
[18:53] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: It's a good one to turn *off* if you're dual booting.
[18:53] <CodeMouse92> It messes with Ubuntu's ability to properly mount the Windows partition.
[18:54] <CodeMouse92> http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-3091475/turn-fast-startup-windows.html
[18:54] <hexicpyth> do you use any google application that uses "google-talkplugin"? Your could remove the repository for it to fix your issue, but would never get updates for that package
[18:55] <Bashing-om> Malinux: All I know to do, " Depends: libqt5feedback5 but it is not going to be installed " try and find out why. What results ' sudo apt install libqt5feedback5 ' ?
[18:55] <Guy1524> nacc: sorry didn't see your message.  Here you go: http://pastebin.com/mJ6JjQyB
[18:56] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: That was it alright. Not really dual booting, I just have a linux install as a backup on my dad's machine for diagnostics, access to drives
[18:56] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: Glad I was able to help, then!
[18:57] <CodeMouse92> It's technically considered dual-boot, but yeah
[18:57] <Malinux> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17657175/
[18:57] <nat0> lol
[18:57] <Malinux> Bashing-om:
[18:57] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: I guess, it probably just won't be used much. But i did use it when win10 crashed to get error log
[18:57] <Bashing-om> Malinux: look'n .
[18:57] <Raccoon1400> you find that setting makes much difference to boot times for win10?
[18:58] <ruyicruz> hello. my wireless in unbutu its not working. i've disable and now when I enable it ot shows up as enabled on the ticker but it does not show any networks. any hint?
[18:58] <CodeMouse92> Well, I discontinued my use of Windows a long time ago, haven't missed it one bit. But, back when I used it, I didn't notice much difference.
[18:58] <CodeMouse92> (That was on Windows 8)
[18:58] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: it still seems pretty fast to me
[18:59] <Raccoon1400> I'll leave it off
[18:59] <ioria> ruyicruz, restart network-manager  ?
[18:59] <futurama140> hexicpyth: i use the google talk plugin with my gmail and gogole voice account so i can recieve google voice calls
[18:59] <CodeMouse92> All I know is, either way, most of the waiting after boot is the time period from when the desktop appears to when you can actually do something. Windows 8, 8.1, and probably 10 "backloaded" the bootup processes to create an illusion of a faster boot. It gets slower over time.
[19:00] <CodeMouse92> Anyway, glad that worked for you, Raccoon1400!
[19:00] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: SSD makes the biggest boot difference
[19:00] <CodeMouse92> indeed. The only downside to SSD is that you cannot recover off of a failed drive.
[19:00] <hexicpyth> futurama140: OK, I just see that from your error message on pastebin, your computer's stored hash values dont match those on the google-talk-plugin PPA servers. try reinstalling it maybe?
[19:01] <futurama140> Whenever I try to uninstall this specific non-working applet in cinnamon i get this error: Problem uninstalling gmail@lauritsriple.  You may need to manually remove it.
[19:01] <futurama140> Details:  [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/harvey/.local/share/cinnamon/applets/gmail@lauritsriple'
[19:01] <futurama140> How do I manually remove a folder that doesn't exist?
[19:01] <CodeMouse92> rm -f?
[19:02] <futurama140> what does -f do?
[19:02] <CodeMouse92> Force
[19:02] <futurama140> ah. ok i'll try that. thanks
[19:03] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Yuk .. we are told it is not installable, but yet it is ! Backup and regroup : what returns ' dpkg -l qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin ' ?
[19:04] <futurama140> Why can I only navigate to the "~/.local/" folder through the terminal?
[19:04] <tgm4883> futurama140: you should be able to navigate anywhere you have permission to
[19:05] <CodeMouse92> futurama140: All files preceded with a dot are hidden from nautilus (the file browser)
[19:05] <CodeMouse92> To show hidden files in the file browser, hit Ctrl+H
[19:05] <sveinse> I see that some tools, such as python's pip tool installs itself under ~/.local/bin. Is that a common location for the users local tools? ...given that Ubuntu use ~/bin/ in its .profile file and all
[19:05] <hexicpyth> ~/.local is the same as /home/(your username)/.local. The "." on front of it means it's a hidden file, try pressing CTRL+H
[19:05] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: Best to backup anyway. Recovery of a failed HDD is often pretty cost prohibitive
[19:05] <genii> futurama140: Because file browsers treat folders beginning with a dot or period as invisible
[19:05] <k1l> futurama140: press ctrl +h. that will show the hidden files and folders. (the ones with a . at the beginning)
[19:05] <tgm4883> lol, I read that totally different :)
[19:06] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: Meh, maybe. Linux's testdisk is pretty sweet for recovery. It managed to get 80% of the stuff off of a thrice-zero-overwritten disk, so, yeah
[19:06] <tgm4883> This reminds me of my logic class in college
[19:06] <yvne> hey! i have a usb with ubuntu server on it. when i try to delete the partitions with "Disks" i get the following error: Error deleting partition /dev/sdb1: Command-line `parted --script "/dev/sdb" "rm 1"' exited with non-zero exit status 1: Warning: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.
[19:06] <CodeMouse92> (Also got a good bit of stuff off of a half-dead HDD, too, soooo, yeah.)
[19:06] <yvne> Any thoughts?
[19:07] <yvne> i want to delete all partitions and format it to ext4.
[19:07] <ioria> yvne, have you tried gparted ?
[19:07] <yvne> ioria: nope, isn't Disks sufficient?
[19:08] <MonkeyDust> how can one have ubuntu-server on a usb stick?
[19:08] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17657696/
[19:08] <CodeMouse92> Gparted > Disks, IME
[19:08] <CodeMouse92> A little less fiddly
[19:08] <hexicpyth> MonkeyDust: I think he meant, he wrote the ubuntu-server iso to the USB Stick
[19:08] <ioria> yvne, i only use Disks for encrypt device ... idk
[19:09] <yvne> MonkeyDust: i put ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.iso on the usb and installed it on an old laptop. put it on like i put regular desktop version on it. now i want to use the usb stick for other purposes.
[19:09] <futurama140> Whenever I try to enable this applet in cinnamon I get an error: http://pastebin.com/u94LiUt1
[19:09] <futurama140> Does anyone know what I can do to remedy this?
[19:09] <yvne> ioria: ok, will try gparted, thanks.
[19:10] <yvne> hexicpyth: yes, that is what i meant.
[19:10] <ioria> yvne,  maybe you need also to recreate a PT , go in -> Device -> Create PT
[19:11] <Bashing-om> !info qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin trusty
[19:12] <yvne> ioria: with gparted i get the following error: The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes.
[19:13] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Well .. what now ' sudo apt install --reinstall qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin:amd64 ' ?
[19:14] <hexicpyth> ynve: Try opening a terminal, entering the command "parted /dev/sdX"(X being the drive), and entering "mklabel gpt"
[19:14] <ioria> yvne, removed all the partitions .... ?
[19:14] <yvne> ioria: gparted displays the error, but does not even list the usb, only the hdd on the computer i am on.
[19:14] <hexicpyth> (note: you may need to use sudo to use parted)
[19:14] <futurama140> Whenever I try to enable this applet in cinnamon I get an error: http://pastebin.com/u94LiUt1
[19:15] <ioria> yvne, you have to fo to the leftand select it
[19:15] <yvne> hexicpyth: gui asked me for pass when i launched it so i guess that does the same.
[19:15] <ioria> *go
[19:15] <hexicpyth> ynve: I meant use the command-line tool "parted", not the GUI gparted
[19:15] <hexicpyth> It might be a little more verbose
[19:16] <ioria> yvne,   there is a drop-down window on the left  ...
[19:16] <yvne> hexicpyth: read to fast, didnt see you wrote parted.
[19:16] <ioria> yvne,   sorry, to the rifght
[19:17] <yvne> ioria: ah! there it is! ^^ didn't see that. my bad!
[19:17] <hexicpyth> ynve: ok, its fine :) I've made that same mistake myself before
[19:17] <ioria> yvne,   yay
[19:18] <yvne> the usb stick apparently is 58.23 GiB while it is 16GB.
[19:19] <ioria> yvne,   remove the partitions, left click, rebuild the PT (Device menu)  and reformat
[19:19] <Raccoon1400> CodeMouse92: that's pretty impressive. HDD is still best for files anyway. SSD for boot/programs
[19:19] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17658301/
[19:20] <CodeMouse92> Raccoon1400: Indeed! If you can have both internal, that's a win
[19:21] <ioria> yvne,  oh, wait select the right device :-)
[19:21] <yvne> it can't be my usb im looking at, must be something else. 60 gib.
[19:21] <futurama140> Whenever I try to enable this applet in cinnamon I get an error: http://pastebin.com/u94LiUt1 can someone help me?
[19:21] <Guest15095> hi guys, running 16.04 and my keyboard randomly stops working, plus my mouse pointer only "appears" after a while following boot... help? thanks
[19:21] <ioria> yvne,  sudo parted -l
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> Guest15095  bluethooth?
[19:23] <Bashing-om> Malinux: :) .. and now the status ' dpkg -l libqt5feedback5 ' ?
[19:23] <Guest15095> MonkeyDust, nope, inner keyboard and trackpad, it's a laptop!
[19:23] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: What model of laptop?
[19:24] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, it's an ASUS
[19:24] <Guest15095> y?
[19:25] <yvne> ioria: what new partition table type should i choose? gpared defaults msdos. other alternatives: aix, amiga, bsd, etc
[19:25] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: It's just helpful for anyone who answers to know. Each laptop has its own drivers and its own known issues. (i.e. Toshiba keyboard backlights don't work on the Linux kernal)
[19:25] <yvne> (i'm clueless)
[19:25] <ioria> yvne, msdos ... but be sure of the device
[19:25] <OerHeks> futurama140, so this .local/share/cinnamon/applets/gmailnotifier@ applet is not working, disable it perhaps?
[19:25] <hexicpyth> Guest15095, some ultra portable/detachable ASUS laptops use bluetooth keyboards. I remember looking at one on amazon
[19:26] <ioria> yvne, better if you paste sudo parted -l
[19:26] <davelaurence0290> Hey all, linux/ubuntu newbie here. I'm on Ubuntu 16 and trying to run jgrasp (Java IDE). When I try to compile it gives me an error message, but mentions that installing the lsb-core module would likely fix this. Any ideas on how to handle this on Ubuntu 16?
[19:26] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17658674/
[19:26] <yvne> ioria : it's the usb stick, checked. ok, will go with msdos. if i disconnect i will have formated my laptop hdd instead. ^^
[19:27] <Guest15095> hexicpyth, it's just a regular laptop, with 14.04 everything was working fine, since the upgrade though instead...
[19:27] <ioria> !paste | yvne
[19:27] <merpnderp> Where would I see what kind of support Ubuntu has has for 2013 MBP trackpads?
[19:28] <yvne> ioria: it worked. thanks. unallocated and reporting right amount of storage. making ext4 partition now. thanks for the help! appreciate it!
[19:29] <ioria> yvne,  ok, :þ
[19:30] <hexicpyth> Guest15095: I dont know much about laptops, so I probably can't help too much, but I do know that 14.04 will still get support for another few years. It's completely possible to go back if you don't mind the old kernel
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> merpnderp  plenty hits on my search engine, here's the first... http://askubuntu.com/questions/126526/how-can-i-personalize-my-macbook-pro-touchpad
[19:31] <davelaurence0290> Hey all, linux/ubuntu newbie here. I'm on Ubuntu 16 and trying to run jgrasp (Java IDE). When I try to compile it gives me an error message, but mentions that installing the lsb-core module would likely fix this. How does one install the lsb core for ubuntu 16? I remember doing it for 14, but it seemed more streamlined than what I've been able to find online
[19:32] <Guest15095> hexicpyth, but I do, plus I noticed it is weird, that's what happens: if I want to rename some files on an external hd and I click on one, press F2 then start typing it wouldn't let me, but it does let me copy and paste whatever into it with the mouse... what the hell? I thought it was a permission problem and chown'ed it and chmod'ed it, didn't change anything, really: HELP please :)
[19:32] <ioria> !info jgrasp
[19:33] <Masteryoda> !info github
[19:33] <merpnderp> MonkeyDust: a 5,2 is a long ways from an 11,2. But you did give me an idea to search for this which answers all my questions: http://askubuntu.com/search?q=macbook+%2211%2C2%22
[19:33] <davelaurence0290> ioria, what exactly does that mean?
[19:34] <merpnderp> No Ubuntu on an 11,2 :(
[19:34] <cymen_> My laptop constantly fails to come back from suspend. Any ideas how to debug?
[19:34] <ioria> davelaurence0290, that it's not an ubuntu package ...
[19:34] <merpnderp> If I liked the trackpads on System76 machines more I'd just order one of those.
[19:35] <Bashing-om> Masteryoda: Well ! try now ' sudo apt install --reinstall libqt5feedback5:amd64 ' .
[19:35] <CodeMouse92> ioria: Well, he's asking specifically about the error message asking about lsb-core. I don't think he's assuming that jgrasp is a package
[19:35] <ioria> oh
[19:35] <davelaurence0290> ioria, does that mean it's simply not supported? I have jgrasp on my computer and can run it...
 Hey all, linux/ubuntu newbie here. I'm on Ubuntu 16 and trying to run jgrasp (Java IDE). When I try to compile it gives me an error message, but mentions that installing the lsb-core module would likely fix this. How does one install the lsb core for ubuntu 16? I remember doing it for 14, but it seemed more streamlined than what I've been able to find online
[19:35] <ioria> davelaurence0290,  how did you install it  ?
[19:36] <ioria> !info lsb-core
[19:36] <ioria> !info lsb-core trusty
[19:36] <davelaurence0290> ioria, it remained from a previous installation when I upgraded to ubuntu 16
[19:36] <Michael19930> Help I am trying to install Ubuntu but it wants me to disable secureboot and set a password for it? If i set a password for secureboot being disabled will i be able to remove the password and enable secureboot easily?
[19:36] <ZeekHuge> !help
[19:36] <ZeekHuge> !log
[19:37] <ioria> davelaurence0290,   lsb-core  seems available only for trusty not for xenual (16.04)
[19:37] <Guest15095> hexicpyth, but I do, plus I noticed it is weird, that's what happens: if I want to rename some files on an external hd and I click on one, press F2 then start typing it wouldn't let me, but it does let me copy and paste whatever into it with the mouse... what the hell? I thought it was a permission problem and chown'ed it and chmod'ed it, didn't change anything, really: HELP please :)
[19:37] <hexicpyth> Guest15095: I literally don't know a thing about how laptop keyboards work on ubuntu, nor how they integrate with anything, so I can't really help
[19:37] <ZeekHuge> !command
[19:37] <davelaurence0290> ioria, ok, is trusty quite a few versions back?
[19:38] <ioria> davelaurence0290,   it's the previous LTS, yes
[19:38] <davelaurence0290> ioria, alright I see, thanks!
[19:38] <Guest15095> hexicpyth, ok, anybody else? :)
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> ZeekHuge  use /msg ubottu if you want to explore !factoids
[19:38] <ioria> davelaurence0290,   maybe there is a PPa for xenial ...
[19:38] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17659255/
[19:38] <Bashing-om> Malinux: look'n .
[19:39] <CodeMouse92> Regarding lsb-core (CC davelaurence0290), how horrible would it be to follow the advice on http://askubuntu.com/questions/760416/how-to-install-lsb-core-package-on-ubuntu-16-04
[19:40] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Looks good ! .. now do the apps you attempted to install 3 days back work ?
[19:40] <ubuntu> WTD
[19:40] <ubuntu> WTF IS THIS SHIT
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> ubottu  caps
[19:41] <Guest13145> lol
[19:41] <ioria> davelaurence0290,   if you want a light java IDE you can use Geany or this https://sourceforge.net/projects/eje/
[19:41] <OerHeks> please not again, Guest13145
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> ubottu  this is ubuntu support
[19:41] <Pici> Guest13145: please mind your language. This is the official Ubuntu support channel.
[19:41] <ZeekHuge> MonkeyDust: thanks , just wanted to know the commands it supports.
[19:41] <Pici> MonkeyDust: ubottu knows that
[19:43] <ubuntu__> What is this aplication. Js it support channel?
[19:43] <Pici> ubuntu__: This is IRC, you're in the Ubuntu support channel now.
[19:43] <ubuntu__> What is this aplication. Js it support channel?
[19:43] <Pici> !irc | ubuntu__
[19:44] <Guest15095> why is my keyboard randomly not working?!?!?! heeeelp!
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> Guest15095  maybe you need to clean it
[19:45] <YankDownUnder> Guest15095, Is it a wireless keyboard/mouse with a dongle?
[19:46] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: so, from earlier you have an ASUS (Model?) laptop that worked fine on Ubuntu 14.04, but isn't working well on Ubuntu 16.04
[19:46] <CodeMouse92> Correct?
[19:46] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17659677/
[19:46] <Guest15095> YankDownUnder, nope :(((
[19:46] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, yes yes|!||
[19:46] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Right. YOu need to include all that info when you ask. It makes a huge difference. What is the *exact* model of laptop?
[19:46] <CodeMouse92> (Turn it over and read the model number off the bottom)
[19:46] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, x550
[19:47] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Hmm, that sounds familiar. I think I had one once....
[19:47] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: When you say 'not working', the keyboard is intermittently becoming unresponsive? Is this just for typing, shortcuts, function keys...?
[19:48] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, it is precisely described in the following...
[19:48] <Guest15095> hexicpyth, but I do, plus I noticed it is weird, that's what happens: if I want to rename some files on an external hd and I click on one, press F2 then start typing it wouldn't let me, but it does let me copy and paste whatever into it with the mouse... what the hell? I thought it was a permission problem and chown'ed it and chmod'ed it, didn't change anything, really: HELP please :)
[19:48] <Guest15095> (sorry hexicpyth)
[19:48] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: This is not a problem with your keyboard (hardware issue), but a software issue. Just to help you narrow it down.
[19:49] <CodeMouse92> If it were a hardware issue, you'd notice the keyboard problems happening globally, not only in a specific software-based instance (as described)
[19:49] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, exactly what I think, could you help me narrowing it down? :)
[19:49] <Tameiki___> Hello, I have an error while installing my laptop with Ubuntu16.04. After manual partitioning, I have this error (translated) "attempting to mount an ext4 file system encrypted volume (sda2_dmcrypt) on / failed". Anyone can help me plz ?
[19:49] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, I know, that's why I'm here, something about Ibus I guess, but I have no idea...
[19:49] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: What program are you using to rename files on the external hd? Nautilus (the default Ubuntu file browser)
[19:49] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, yep
[19:49] <Numline1> Hello guys. Our home server pooped itself today. This strange error message started appearing after 5PM yesterday and it became unresponsive today around lunch. Any thoughts? Thanks. https://gist.github.com/Numline1/d51a9b698b9189e7b05a2bfcdb729cfd
[19:50] <Numline1> Rebooting helped, I'm just puzzled a bit
[19:50] <Numline1> seems like smbd crashed it
[19:50] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Okay, so, what happens if you right-click and click rename? Same problem?
[19:51] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, it highlight its name as if it is letting me renaming it but then when I type in, its name won't change, still I can copy and paste words inside with the mouse...
[19:51] <Guest15095> as said above...
[19:51] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Ouch ! We have a serious conflict somewhere. We just cleared " Depends: libqt5feedback5 but it is not going to be installed " and now it is back .
[19:51] <Tameiki___> Here a tail -f /var/log/syslog during the installation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17641408/
[19:51] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, it looks like I don't have permissions, but, as said above, I chown'ed it and chmod'ed it, still nothing changes...
[19:52] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: I haven't encountered this before, but here's one trick that might help narrow it down. Open up the Terminal and type "nautilus". That will launch the file browser, but since it's launched from the terminal, you can see error messages. Ignore everything that says GLib and GTK
[19:52] <CodeMouse92> And then try.
[19:52] <cymen_> i dont want the amdgpu driver on my laptop what do i have to remove so I can remove the driver?
[19:52] <Malinux> Bashing-om: yeah. Strange, Much to learn we have :)
[19:52] <cymen_> currently when I try to unload the module it says it's in use
[19:52] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Does it give you any error messages in the terminal when you try and type?
[19:52] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, even if I gksu nautilus instead I can see no error outputs whatsoever nor in the cli or gui...
[19:53] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Okay, next step, we'll try renaming through the terminal
[19:53] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, that works
[19:53] <YankDownUnder> Numline1, If you look at the error/bug in the beginning - it's CRC...so an error/bug during a copy/read
[19:53] <Guest15095> already tried it
[19:53] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: With or without sudo?
[19:53] <Guest15095> regardless
[19:54] <Guest15095> I'm going nuts...
[19:54] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Okay, well that rules out permissions and the file system. The problem is definitely nautilus
[19:54] <Numline1> YankDownUnder cheers. I also found this, but I guess it's not related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1572608
[19:54] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, should I wipe it and re-install it?
[19:54] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: You could try a different file browser. We have dozens.
[19:54] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, yeah but I'd like to get y
[19:55] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Mmmmm....I don't know. You could using apt-get...just sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus
[19:55] <CodeMouse92> I wouldn't do anything more drastic, TBH.
[19:55] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, I was thinking it could be an Ibus issue
[19:55] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, because, also my trackpad pointer wouldn't show up for a while after boot
[19:56] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Wllk ,, let's look ' dpkg -l libqt5widgets5 ' .
[19:56] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, when I then click click click on something, suddenly it comes out
[19:56] <YankDownUnder> Numline1, Has there been any changes to the /etc/smb.conf as of late - and have you considered "reverting" to an older version? Just asking...
[19:56] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Well, the reason I don't think so is that the problem isn't originating from the keyboard input, nor from the file system itself. The trackpad is probably unrelated.
[19:56] <Numline1> YankDownUnder no, no recent changes, this is the first time this happened actually. I'll make sure to backup that data drive, as it may be hardware issue if you're right
[19:57] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, good :(
[19:57] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Depending on your system specs, the trackpad issue might just be a sideeffect of boot up time
[19:57] <YankDownUnder> Numline1, backups are always a good thing...but yeah, back up, revert, and wait/watch...
[19:57] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: Anyway, in relation to the file renaming, see if you have the same problem with Thunar (sudo apt-get install thunar)
[19:58] <Michael19930> What does install ubuntu alongside windows do? Does it partition the drive for me or what
[19:58] <CodeMouse92> If not, then the problem is definitely nautilus, and possibly worthy of a bug report
[19:58] <k1l> Michael19930: yes.
[19:58] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, one thing I forgot, at the beginning it works and I CAN rename files, then after a while it looses it and I can't type anything anymore within the filename box, but the keyboard still works on text editor etc
[19:59] <CodeMouse92> Guest15095: That still sounds like a Nautilus bug, tbh
[19:59] <Numline1> CodeMouse92 yeah. It's mainly NAS, so I wasn't really worried about it, but it's time :D
[19:59] <Numline1> thanks for tips
[19:59] <Guest15095> CodeMouse92, ok thanks
[19:59] <dbz2k> does someone know why I cant add this port range in ufw gui "1714-1764"
[20:00] <CodeMouse92> Numline1: ?
[20:00] <Numline1> CodeMouse92 eeeh, sorry, I ment to highlight YankDownUnder
[20:01] <abhi> anyone got person of interest latest episode
[20:01] <dbz2k> I did it in this format '1714:1764'
[20:01] <Pici> abhi: This is Ubuntu support.
[20:01] <abhi> oh my bad
[20:01] <capum321> hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 - - -  mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz
[20:01] <CodeMouse92> abhi: This is a support channel, not a piracy channel. Please don't steal
[20:01] <abhi> sorry sorry
[20:03] <BluesKaj> abhi, it's on tonight
[20:03] <capum321> Maintainer: Debian CLI Libraries Team - - - Where do I find support?
[20:05] <django_1> in sublime 3 where is the file
[20:06] <django_1> theres no: file, edit view
[20:06] <k1l> django_1: ask the sublime support. its not in the ubuntu repos
[20:07] <django_1> ok
[20:08] <django_1> k1l, for the file manager that comes with ubuntu, is it suppose to be there?
[20:08] <k1l> django_1: using unity? go with the mouse to the upper panel
[20:09] <django_1> k1l, yeah its not coming up
[20:10] <OerHeks> django_1, sublime3 issue, how did you install that?
[20:10] <django_1> cant remember
[20:10] <django_1> ill just reinstall i guess
[20:12] <OerHeks> menu items only appear on the top panel, if your focus is on the sublimetext window
[20:13] <django_1> OerHeks, what do you mean focus
[20:14] <k1l> if the sublime window is in the foreground
[20:15] <TurboKraken> Anyone have any luck getting a Dell color printer to work on ubuntu 16.04?
[20:15] <OerHeks> TurboKraken, is it listed in openprinting database?
[20:16] <TurboKraken> Let me check.
[20:17] <TurboKraken> OerHeks: No it isn't. There is .rpm drivers for the printer though.
[20:19] <i-make-robots> hi ubuntu.  mail mailq is growing and nothing is being delivered.  my mail.err is empty.  how do i diagnose the problem?
[20:19] <OerHeks> maybe someone did find a way, hard to say without specs
[20:19] <happycamper__> Hello, is some1 here who can help me with connecting chatty to the twitch irc server?
[20:22] <TurboKraken> OerHeks: What about converting .rpm to .deb?
[20:22] <OerHeks> !info alien
[20:23] <OerHeks> good luck with that, results may vary
[20:26] <guest341> Is any1 here
[20:28] <k1l> guest341: yes, a lot of users are here.
[20:29] <ruyicruz> hello. my wireless in unbutu its not working. i've disable and now when I enable it ot shows up as enabled on the ticker but it does not show any networks. any hint?
[20:30] <guest341> ifcfg
[20:30] <guest341> showit plz
[20:31] <azure32> sudo service network-manager restart
[20:31] <azure32> ruyicruz: type that in terminal ^
[20:33] <ruyicruz> guest341 hi. are you talking to me? command not found.
[20:33] <ruyicruz> azure32 i've allready done that, it comes back with the ticker of "enable wireless" unchecked, and when I check it still does not come up any network
[20:33] <Malinux> Bashing-om: sorry for the delay, here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17662140/
[20:33] <ruyicruz> and, to be sure... I've around 10+ networks in range of my android. there are networks nearby :P
[20:34] <guest341> ifconfig
[20:34] <guest341> output
[20:34] <k1l> ruyicruz: "rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[20:34] <ruyicruz> sorry I meant "enable wifi"
[20:34] <k1l> ruyicruz: if that machine got no network at all, then just run "rfkill list" and see if there is something on "blocked yes"
[20:35] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Look'n .. here we go again .
[20:35] <i-make-robots> i have no /var/log/syslog and no /var/log/messages.  Where are warnings & such going?
[20:35] <i-make-robots> my /var/log is drwxdrwr-x root syslog.
[20:35] <ruyicruz> I've Hard blocked: yes on it k1l
[20:36] <k1l> ruyicruz: then try to use the hardware switch on that machine
[20:36] <ente_> Could someone explain me (shortly) the advantage of PlayOnLinux compared to a pure wine installation?
[20:36] <ruyicruz> k1l its a onboard wireless card...
[20:36] <ruyicruz> k1l yesterday I disable it to save battery, and today I got this issue... :(
[20:37] <k1l> ruyicruz: how did you disable it?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> !info qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin trusty
[20:37] <ruyicruz> on the top  bar, remove the ticker on "enable wifi"
[20:37] <OerHeks> ente_, POL is a collection of dedicated scripts per game
[20:38] <k1l> ruyicruz: "sudo rfkill unblock all"
[20:38] <k1l> then see again
[20:38] <Bashing-om> Malinux: ^ And here too, elevated version for qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin .
[20:39] <OerHeks> you could with wine and winetricks get the same result, with some tweaks here and there
[20:39] <capum321> hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 ->  mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz
[20:39] <ruyicruz> k1l done that, but still showing up as hard blocked on the wlan
[20:40] <k1l> ruyicruz: what machine is it then?
[20:40] <k1l> ruyicruz: laptop?
[20:40] <ruyicruz> yes
[20:40] <k1l> then press the hardware button.
[20:40] <k1l> or the fn+.... keys
[20:41] <ente_> OerHeks: Thx! I just found a graphic (located in a description for wine...), which I guess sums up your description nicely: http://wiki.playonlinux.com/index.php/Wine;_what_is_it%3F
[20:41] <Malinux> Bashing-om: hm, okey. What am I gonna do now? Don't think I got the last message :)
[20:42] <concerti> Does this channel support ubuntu-server?
[20:43] <k1l> yes
[20:43] <colept> Hello! I'm using OpenVPN (successful connection) but no internet once the routing table goes up - can someone tell me what's wrong with these routes? http://paste.ubuntu.com/17662592/
[20:43] <k1l> although there is #ubuntu-server too.
[20:43] <concerti> ok good to know , this should be easy - is there an equivalent to SAR preinstalled on ubuntu servers?
[20:43] <ruyicruz> k1l fn+f2 only allows me to change the soft blocked, not the hard blocked :(
[20:43] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Hang on .. maybe ny wires are crossed .. double checking at this time .
[20:44] <RomanLier> Hello, could someone help me with onboard? I can't figure out how to make it display korean characters...
[20:45] <ruyicruz> k1l i did try hit it twice and see the results, but every result only change yes/no to the soft blocked
[20:45] <k1l> ruyicruz: what line is in "lspci" for that wifi card?
[20:45] <Malinux> Bashing-om: hm,okey :)
[20:46] <jilocasin0> 'afternoon everyone
[20:47] <ruyicruz> k1l you want the number of the line or the reference/line itself? the line is: 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[20:48] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Nope .. you have an elevated version conflict . All we can do is find out the where, then learn what we might be able to do . what results ' sudo apt remove -s qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin ' Let's see what will break if we remove it .
[20:48] <OerHeks> acer and hardblocked.. try blacklist acer_wmi
[20:48] <jilocasin0> trying to set up an ftp server under ubuntu 16.04 Server with a couple hundred users, each should have read/write access to only their own directory.  Been struggling with vsftpd (ubuntu's default) and I can't get it to work.  Does anyone have any ideas of how to do this (or a location with docs of same) or something else I should be using?  [thanks]
[20:49] <Bashing-om> Malinux: ' apt-cache policy qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin ' .. might be helpful first ??
[20:49] <i-make-robots> my syslog is missing.  is there a daemon I have to restart to make it work?
[20:49] <Refine> anyone know how to fix this? im on mint btw https://ghostbin.com/paste/8rgsk/edit
[20:49] <k1l> !mint | Refine
[20:50] <Refine> it's a trusty problem should be the same for ubuntu
[20:50] <k1l> Refine: its not an ubuntu issue since mint changes a lot in the repo handling. talk to their support
[20:50] <Refine> ok
[20:50] <Refine> ty
[20:52] <RomanLier> Hello? I'm trying to find some help here
[20:52] <Ben64> ask a question
[20:52] <RomanLier> Oh hi again Ben64
[20:52] <RomanLier> ok, i ask again
[20:52] <Malinux> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17663090/
[20:52] <k1l> ruyicruz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1781350&page=2  try this
[20:53] <ruyicruz> checking. hold on k1l. :)
[20:53] <RomanLier> I can't figure out how to make onboard display korean characters...
[20:53] <Malinux> Bashing-om: and http://paste.ubuntu.com/17663148/
[20:53] <ruyicruz> i was on that exact topic! :p
[21:00] <ubuntu283> Hi! I am fairly fluent in ubuntu, but I'm starting out in developing. Are there any programs I should be looking into for java, c#, html, php?
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Malinux: I just do not get it .. I keep ecpecting something non-ubuntu repo .. and policy says the file is from our repo . What now ' apt-cache policy libqt5widgets5 ' . Removing qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin will rip your build environment all to pieces .
[21:00] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: Do you mean IDE's?
[21:00] <ubuntu283> yes
[21:00] <Bashing-om> expecting*
[21:00] <pennTeller> ubuntu283, I use codeblocks
[21:01] <ubuntu283> thanks! ill look into it :)
[21:01] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: Java: Eclipse, Netbeans, IntelliJ IDEA (Community == free, Ultimate == $$)
[21:01] <ubuntu283> wonderful! I'll definatly look into these :)
[21:02] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: C# is some form of Mono (not that Mono.. ;)
[21:02] <bprompt> ubuntu283:    what kind of code are you planning to write?   I mean, a C# IDE may be good for C# but terrible for html
[21:02] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: HTML / PHP: Eclipse, lots of things from VIM/EMACs on up.... ;P
[21:02] <ubuntu283> I'm looking into aplication and database development
[21:03] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: free or commercial?
[21:03] <ubuntu283> either :)
[21:03] <bprompt> ubuntu283:    application is a broad term, like "chair", apps for what? what platform? what usage?
[21:03] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: free then Eclipse is probably your best bet, it's unweildy at times but you can do everything in it and it's well supported.
[21:04] <ubuntu283> I'm learning server maintance as well as development for windows and android. sorry, im new to all of this
[21:04] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: commercial then Intellij IDEA ultimate, supports practically everything.....
[21:04] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: Android Studio (Google's default IDE for android development) is based on Intellij IDEA Community
[21:05] <tkonto> in rhel based Linux (fedora centos etc) I can script password change like:  echo "password" | passwd --stdin username
[21:05] <ubuntu283> I've got that already
[21:05] <tkonto> how can I do the same in ubuntu (--stdin does not seam to be supported in ubuntu passwd)
[21:05] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: Then you know what intellij IDEA is like.
[21:05] <bprompt> ubuntu283:     IIRC, google has an Android SDK you can install, as far as windows, one of the best windows IDE would be Visual Studio, as far as doing "sysop" stuff, depends on the langauge, if Java, Netbeans is a popular one
[21:05] <ubuntu283> thanks for all the help! I've got to get to class (time to leaern some php!!!)
[21:05] <jilocasin0> ubuntu283: Ultimate supports lots of frameworks, databases, etc. that the community one doesn't.
[21:06] <ruyicruz> k1l still trying to solve it. hold on :)
[21:06] <bprompt> ubuntu283:     for php, Zend Studio is a really popular and supported one
[21:06] <k1l> tkonto: chpasswd should be able to handle that
[21:07] <tkonto> thank you sooo much.. I am creating a docker image, and this was a blocking point
[21:07] <anabain> I need some help troubleshooting some non-fglrx drivers for a radeon videocard in 16.04. I'm getting bad refreshing, changing windows leaves me with the first windows (totally or partially) Any ideas?
[21:07] <feneco> hi, is there a way to clean video cache on linux? I use a screenshot tool called 'screencloud' seems that it kept the screen saved from another application, every time I try to take a new screenshot it shows the full screen of another application
[21:08] <feneco> I tried to restart gnome shell (alt f2 r) and clean memory cache (sync; echo > 3 /proc/sys/vm/drop_cache)
[21:10] <Malinux> Bashing-om: apt-cache policy libqt5widgets5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/17663148/
[21:10] <vm096> feneco did you try to search if is a open process after take the first screenshot?
[21:10] <vm096> and try to kill it
[21:11] <rblst> feneco, have you tried any other screenshot tools to see if the problem is not screencloud specific?
[21:11] <bprompt> feneco:     dunno that one, and I don't use screencloud myself, but sounds more like an screencloud issue, not an OS one though
[21:11] <feneco> vm096: not yet
[21:11] <feneco> rblst: it seems that the 'screen' of the previously opened application is cached only in the screencloud
[21:11] <feneco> on gnome-screenshot it's ok
[21:12] <enoch85> Please help us test the Nextcloud VM so that we can make the best possible release once 10 is out, or sooner. https://www.techandme.se/nextcloud-vm/
[21:12] <enoch85> Sorry for OT
[21:13] <capum321> hello! I am trying to compile mono-addins package as dependency to build a monodevelop 6.0 which doesn't exist in repositories. get this error http://dpaste.com/2PBR989 - - - the package is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3 ->  mono-addins_1.0+git20130406.adcd75b-3.debian.tar.gz
[21:13] <feneco> i will try vm096
[21:14] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Correct version is installed .. as around and around we go . Looking at the remove list .. we can see that the system "would" remove the correct version of many libraries in favor of several elevated versions. The question remains - what has installed these elevated libraries ?
[21:14] <Malinux> Bashing-om: good question. I don't know :)
[21:18] <ruyicruz> k1l after doing all that I got it worse... now I don't see any wireless information in the network manager on the top bar. \o
[21:19] <ruyicruz> obviously i change ath5k to ath9k witch is my driver.
[21:19] <k1l> hmm. did you reload the driver?
[21:22] <ruyicruz> k1l not sure. the article didn't mention nothing about reloading the drive
[21:22] <ruyicruz> but I reboot the pc and restarted network manager prior to reboot. didn't help
[21:22] <k1l> ruyicruz: what did you do?
[21:23] <feneco> there are so many processes that I have no clue which one could be the issue
[21:23] <k1l> ruyicruz: i would have done "sudo rmmod -f driver; sudo rfkill unblock all; sudo modprobe driver"
[21:23] <ruyicruz> yes I've done that
[21:23] <ruyicruz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1781350&p=10938172#post10938172
[21:23] <ruyicruz> on the post #10
[21:24] <ruyicruz> but the last one gives me an error:
[21:24] <ruyicruz> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'ath9k': Invalid argument
[21:24] <k1l> so its not that one
[21:24] <ruyicruz> I saw it on the driver=... earlier
[21:24] <k1l> "lsmod" lists all loaded drivers
[21:24] <ruyicruz> hold on
[21:26] <ruyicruz> cfg80211              499712  3 ath,ath9k_common,mac80211
[21:26] <ruyicruz> this is the closed thing I've with ath*
[21:26] <ruyicruz> closest*
[21:27] <ruyicruz> but even if I did a mobprobe with those three, I still dont get a wireless option in the network manager k1l
[21:28] <vm096> feneco, ok then let us know that
[21:30] <feneco> vm096: I'm trying to identify something related to cs:go (counter strike global offensive) process, as when I press the hotkeys to take screenshot it shows its application screen (http://termbin.com/l8ec)
[21:31] <safrabods> cd hexchat
[21:31] <safrabods> hrmmm
[21:33] <feneco> lots of bioset processes too
[21:34] <feneco> Killed steam process, mouse and keyboard stopped working
[21:34] <feneco> Lol
[21:35] <Malinux> Bashing-om: maybe I should consider a clean install?
[21:36] <vm096> try disable all virtual machines then start the game
[21:36] <vm096> VirtualBox process
[21:37] <vm096> feneco, try restart u machine then verify if there is some VirtualBox process, stop it, then play u game
[21:38] <ubkost> hi
[21:38] <ubkost> exit
[21:38] <feneco> vm096: is there any conflit that vbox could cause with the game?
[21:39] <vm096> yes with hotkeys
[21:44] <lerner> hi, I have a flac file and a cue file to separate the individual audio tracks. Question is, what program do I need...
[21:45] <ruyicruz> k1l any idea? I've also run wireless info script from github and confirm that the wireless is not enabled but I had the driver...
[21:45] <ruyicruz> https://github.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info
[21:46] <feneco> what screenshot tool do you use in ubuntu?
[21:46] <lerner> ! screenshot
[21:48] <feneco> I've search something like lightshot, closest thing I found was screencloud
[21:49] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Well .. We been on this now for 3 days . still no way forward / I admitt I do not know a way to find what the installed parent of libqt5widgets5 is . Still seeking to find out .
[21:50] <vivekp> On ubuntu gnome 16.04 now, a process named "tracker-extract" is consuming 220+ MB of RAM forever. Is it normal?
[21:50] <Guest19834> i installed ubuntu 16.04 lts server on an old laptop. i've now logged in, and want to connect to the inet. i'm not using an
[21:50] <Guest19834>                     ethernet cable. with ifconfig -a i get emp2s0 (Link encap:Ethernet), lo (Link encap:Local Loopback) and wlp3s0 (Link encap:
[21:50] <Guest19834>                     Ethernet). am i right in that none of these are wifi?
[21:50] <Guest19834> sorry, copy/pasted and the irssi didnt like it.
[21:52] <vivekp> Oh, and normal RAM usage is very high with just an IRC client opened right now. Never had such issues prior to upgrade.
[21:53] <vivekp> 2 Gigs of RAM in use right now -- I don't understand why.
[21:53] <ruyicruz>  maybe its swap ram?
[21:53] <Fooster> 14.04 has v3 zoneinfo files and 12.04 has v2. does anyone know whether its possible to get v2 on 14.04 easily?
[21:54] <vivekp> ruyicruz: No, swap is not in use at all.
[21:55] <Malinux> Bashing-om: okey
[21:56] <Ben64> vivekp: paste the output of "free -m" to paste.ubuntu.com
[21:56] <vivekp> Anyone know what this process called "tracker extract" doing?
[21:57] <vivekp> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17666303/
[21:57] <mundus2018> Why would the command node not work if I have nodejs installed
[21:58] <mundus2018> If I just try to install "node" it has no installation conidate
[21:58] <Ben64> vivekp: doesn't look like you're running a normal ubuntu system
[21:58] <vivekp> Normal? I'm on Ubuntu Gnome 16.04
[21:59] <Ben64> oh, they changed the output of free in 16.04
[22:00] <Ben64> vivekp: you've only got 1.5GB used, i think you're doing ok
[22:01] <vivekp> But, system monitor shows different story altogether...
[22:01] <vivekp> 2 GB it shows
[22:02] <Ben64> free doesn't lie, you're probably including some cache/buffer
[22:02] <Ben64> even if it was 2GB out of 8.... still totally fine
[22:04] <vivekp> But it's still high usage when compared to what I was used to before upgrade and I have nothing else running right now except this IRC client
[22:04] <Ben64> so? what actual problem is it causing
[22:06] <vivekp> Sorry, nevermind -- my main concern is that process called "tracker extract"
[22:06] <vivekp> not sure what it's doing there
[22:06] <Koyaanis> hey. im trying to install php-soap with apt-get, but it suggests me not only php-soap, but also php7.0-common and php7.0-soap, which i can NOT have installed. how can i make it only install php-soap?
[22:06] <Ben64>  tracker-extract  reads  the  file  and  mimetype  provided in stdin and extract the metadata from this file; then it displays the  metadata  on the standard output.
[22:07] <nmide> hi, how can i prevent the system from f***ing with my resolv.conf?
[22:07] <nmide> i disabled resolvconf.service in systemd, still the file is deleted on boot
[22:07] <nmide> i just want a normal resolv.conf file no weird automated thing that messes with my settings
[22:07] <__sled> hi
[22:08] <Ben64> nmide: what is the output of "ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf"
[22:08] <OerHeks> vivekp, oh gnome version of Kworker > tracker tracker-extract tracker-gui tracker-miner-fs tracker-utils
[22:08] <vivekp> Ben64: it ought to use 220 MB of RAM to perform its operations?
[22:08] <Ben64> vivekp: sure maybe
[22:09] <nmide> ben64: its a symbolic link to some other strange place instead of properly being just a file
[22:09] <nmide> if i remove the link and create a normal file will this solve my issue?
[22:09] <__sled> Maybe this question is too specific. But it happens on Ubuntu. Is it possible that, having a heavy SSD disk-write thread, the load of the whole machine for this huge writing of data affects the running time of other threads, even if assigned to different CPU cores using pthread_affinity ?
[22:09] <vivekp> OerHeks: Sorry, I don't understand... what again?
[22:09] <Ben64> nmide: maybe, it's not recommended though
[22:10] <nmide> recommended by who? for over 10 years if i need to change my resolver settings i simply edit /etc/resolv.conf manually and place my settings there
[22:10] <vivekp> Ben64: Would you advise against killing it?
[22:10] <nmide> or make a dhcp script that does the same
[22:10] <Ben64> vivekp: yes
[22:11] <OerHeks> vivekp, tracker is some indexing service, let it run out ( it works in the background )
[22:11] <Ben64> nmide: easier way is to put whatever you want into /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[22:12] <nmide> respectfully, that is not easier, it is radically changing how that configuration is typically done
[22:12] <nmide> and isn't behavior that should be present by default
[22:13] <Ben64> nmide: then by all means, do whatever you want
[22:13] <nmide> but aside from that, thanks, i removed the sym link
[22:13] <vivekp> I don't know, I've never been used to such high RAM usage with just one application running.
[22:13] <vivekp> 16.04 has sure brought some new things to comply by.
[22:13] <nmide> *things to fix, yes, i can see that
[22:13] <nmide> haha
[22:13] <Fooster> 14.04 has v3 zoneinfo files and 12.04 has v2. does anyone know whether its possible to get v2 on 14.04 easily?
[22:16] <vivekp> I hope it gets fixed if its not normal behaviour. IMHO it's at-least unusual tho.
[22:16] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Not to say I am ready to five up .. a matter of finding what is holding the lis to the elevated versions .. maybe qt5-default ?? Still trying to find out .
[22:16] <nmide> i'm sure people that implemented it thought it was normal, but in reality systemd adds an abstraction layer for configuration that nobody was asking for
[22:17] <unicron> whom should i pester about getting the ircd-ratbox package published for 16.04?
[22:17] <nmide> from what i've seen so far from using 16.04 systemd isn't production ready at all
[22:17] <nmide> but i can understand if experienced admins are not the target user
[22:17] <Ben64> nmide: systemd has nothing to do with resolv.conf
[22:17] <Ben64> and this is not the channel for rants
[22:19] <nmide> if i was 'ranting' you would know, i think what you actually mean is "this isn't the place for opinions ben64 doesn't agree with"
[22:19] <nmide> no problem
[22:21] <bear_> wenrwer
[22:21] <werwer> ok
[22:21] <werwer> SO!
[22:21] <werwer> JUST INSTALLED 15.04
[22:21] <werwer> How the hell do I get rid of Unity.
[22:21] <werwer> Well, not get rid of because it's kinda handy.
[22:22] <werwer> How do I switch my DE temperarily?
[22:22] <OerHeks> 15.04 is dead, install a supported version
[22:22] <werwer> OerHeks, I downloaded the "Latest"
[22:22] <werwer> The site said 16, I got 15
[22:22] <werwer> I'll do a dist upgrade later.
[22:22] <werwer> How do I drop myself into LXDE?
[22:23] <Ben64> install a supported version of ubuntu
[22:23] <werwer> Congats.
[22:23] <werwer> That's not an answer.
[22:24] <Ben64> it's the best answer
[22:24] <werwer> No it's not.
[22:24] <OerHeks> at least an honest answer.
[22:24] <werwer> It's ignoring the question at hand.
[22:24] <werwer> That's like me saying
[22:24] <Broseidon7Seez> why are you being so aggressive and expecting us to explain this to you?
[22:24] <Ben64> you're running an unsupported version of ubuntu. run a supported version of ubuntu
[22:24] <werwer> "I installed Ubuntu on my macbook, how do I get my trackpad working?"
[22:24] <werwer> ANd getting the response
[22:24] <tgm4883> werwer: where did you download 15.04 from? that shouldn't even be available anymore
[22:24] <Jordan_U> werwer: It's the only answer you'll get in this channel. We do not support EOL releases, in any way.
[22:24] <werwer> "GO BUY A PC, MACS SUCK!!"
[22:24] <OerHeks> ...
[22:25] <werwer> Like I said, I'm going to do a dist-upgrade
[22:25] <werwer> I'm trying not to break my install.
[22:25] <genii> !eolupgrade
[22:25] <Ben64> more like saying "I installed ubuntu 13.04 on my macbook, how do i get my trackpad working?" and getting the response "please install a supported version of ubuntu"
[22:25] <tgm4883> werwer: I'm worried about other users downloading that. So please let me know where you downloaded that from
[22:25] <werwer> ty genii
[22:25] <Jordan_U> werwer: Then you can get support here *after* you upgrade.
[22:25] <genii> werwer: See the bot's link, above
[22:25] <werwer> tgm4883, the website
[22:25] <tgm4883> werwer: link please
[22:25] <tgm4883> werwer: because I don't see it
[22:25] <Ben64> werwer: but if you JUST installed 15.04, then stop, and install a supported version of ubuntu
[22:25] <Ben64> much easier than upgrading
[22:26] <Jordan_U> werwer: We can also help you upgrade properly (though I recommend re-installing, possibly installing an Ubuntu flavor that doesn't use Unity).
[22:26] <futurama140> Cinnamon FTW
[22:26] <werwer> I don't want to completely leave Unity.
[22:27] <Broseidon7Seez> werwer
[22:27] <Broseidon7Seez> do you want a windows like environment?
[22:27] <werwer> Broseidon7Seez, I prefer LXDE
[22:27] <tgm4883> werwer: I've checked all the places I know and I can't figure out where you got 15.04 from
[22:27] <werwer> I am willing to make the transition
[22:27] <Ben64> werwer: then go grab lubuntu 16.04 iso and install that
[22:27] <Broseidon7Seez> and you don't know how to install lxde? is that what you're asking?
[22:27] <werwer> http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/
[22:27] <werwer> Found that one
[22:28] <futurama140> if you like the feel of the windows DE then go with cinnamon
[22:28] <tgm4883> werwer: can you paste the output of 'cat /var/log/installer/media-info | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:28] <OerHeks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/
[22:28] <werwer> ok nvm
[22:28] <werwer> I do have 16.04
[22:28] <tgm4883> werwer: you didn't download it from there. That only has snappy images. You wouldn't have that
[22:28] <werwer> LiLi mis-identified
[22:28] <Broseidon7Seez> haha
[22:29] <werwer> So How do I switch into LXDE?
[22:29] <Broseidon7Seez> werwer, you can just open your terminal and enter: sudo apt update then sudo apt install lxde
[22:29] <werwer> I already installed it.
[22:29] <Broseidon7Seez> oh ok
[22:29] <Prelude2004c> hey guys.. looking for some help.. so i had a system in which i compiled ffmpeg on it and i installed libfreetype and libfdk_aac .. and all was well.. once i had the system exactly how i wanted it i simply made a copy of all the partitions and directories of the system to clone to another system... all worked well.. now i went back and i wanted to re-compile ffmpeg and its complaining about can't find libfdk_aac & freetype .. yet when i
[22:29] <Prelude2004c> look in /usr/include/* the directories for fdk-aac are there and freetype2 is there.. everything is there. yet i get a ERROR: libfdk_aac not found .. any help would be appreciated as i am stuck
[22:29] <werwer> How do I actually enter it?
[22:30] <futurama140> werwer: sudo apt-get install LXDE-desktop-environment
[22:30] <Prelude2004c> ubuntu 14 btw
[22:30] <Broseidon7Seez> all you have to do now is log out and there will be a button next to where you enter your password
[22:30] <Broseidon7Seez> or do you have no password to login
[22:30] <futurama140> werwer: log out and click the button by your log in and change log in session to the desktop environment you want
[22:30] <SonikkuAmerica> futurama140 - [ sudo apt install lxde ] you mean.
[22:30] <werwer> LXDE-desktop-environment
[22:31] <werwer> E: Unable to locate package LXDE-desktop-environment
[22:31] <futurama140> oops wrong one
[22:31] <nacc> Prelude2004c: libs != source headers?
[22:31] <futurama140> just do LXDE
[22:31] <Prelude2004c> nacc what does tha tmean ?
[22:31] <werwer> lxde is already the newest version (7ubuntu1).
[22:31] <werwer> The button isn't appearing
[22:31] <werwer> That's why I'm confused
[22:31] <futurama140> log out and take a screenshot
[22:31] <Broseidon7Seez> ok so you don't have a password required to log in
[22:32] <nacc> Prelude2004c: it would be better to pastebin the exact output; and what is the reason for needing a newer ffmpeg than provided by Ubuntu?
[22:32] <SonikkuAmerica> werwer - [ sudo apt install lxde ] then try running [ ls /usr/share/xsessions ]
[22:32] <Prelude2004c> nacc , its a personal compiled version as we have custom code in it
[22:32] <werwer> SonikkuAmerica, ubuntu.desktop
[22:32] <Prelude2004c> a few patches and stuff.. i have to use the source .. i don't use repo
[22:33] <werwer> One thing is really surpising me about this so far
[22:33] <Prelude2004c> my question is not the ffmpeg.. its the system.. somehow it can't see the stuff in /usr/include or whatever.
[22:33] <OerHeks> right top panel, change de
[22:33] <nacc> Prelude2004c: like i said, we can try and help if you provide the actual output (pastebin)
[22:33] <werwer> I haven't installed my GPU drivers, at least the proprietary ones
[22:33] <werwer> Yet the performance isn't terrible.
[22:33] <Prelude2004c> nacc, do you mean from ffmpeg output ? sure.. one sec
[22:33] <Jordan_U> werwer: Please pastebin the output of "systemctl status lightdm".
[22:33] <SonikkuAmerica> werwer - you need a .desktop file with the LXDE session set to start. Best way to do this is to install the lubuntu-desktop package, which automatically generates one.
[22:34] <nacc> Prelude2004c: whatever error you are getting, including whatever you are invoking that leads to the eror
[22:34] <Prelude2004c> http://pastebin.com/raw/mD2x3QUf
[22:35] <nacc> Prelude2004c: what version of Ubuntu?
[22:35] <Prelude2004c> 14.04
[22:35] <werwer> SonikkuAmerica, doing that
[22:36] <nacc> Prelude2004c: it's missing some header file (in particular sys/cdefs.h); where do you see any mention of fdk-aac or freetype2?
[22:36] <nacc> Prelude2004c: this is a really basic compilation solution, are you sure you want to be compiling from source?
[22:36] <Prelude2004c> yes i need to commpile from source
[22:37] <Prelude2004c> this is a custom ffmpeg version
[22:37] <nacc> Prelude2004c: ok, educational moment. Learn to read the compilation output, in particular the "fatal error" lines. That is the actual error.
[22:37] <nacc> Prelude2004c: the backtraces are where the file includes come from, not the error itself
[22:37] <Prelude2004c> here... locate  shows > /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h
[22:38] <werwer> I have two incredibly longshop questions
[22:38] <werwer> Linux voicechangers
[22:38] <werwer> Also, does anyone here understand how to redirect audio
[22:38] <werwer> also split into multiple pipes
[22:38] <Prelude2004c> maybe because the /usr/include is not set ?
[22:38] <Prelude2004c> do i need to export something first.
[22:39] <Prelude2004c> because /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h exists but its not seeing that  so maybe its looking in wrong place
[22:39] <Prelude2004c> i did include --extra-cflags=-I/usr/include
[22:40] <werwer> SonikkuAmerica, It's working.
[22:40] <werwer> I love you.
[22:40] <SonikkuAmerica> OK then, werwer ... lol :)
[22:41] <nacc> Prelude2004c: did you have to pass --extra-cflags before?
[22:41] <werwer> :)
[22:41] <werwer> SonikkuAmerica, Do you understand how to do real time audio manioulation?
[22:42] <Prelude2004c> its part of my command configure yes
[22:42] <Prelude2004c> let me remove it i guess
[22:42] <nacc> Prelude2004c: when you built last time too?
[22:42] <SonikkuAmerica> werwer - Real-time? Nope. Try #ubuntustudio
[22:42] <Prelude2004c> yes last time i built yes it had it
[22:42] <Prelude2004c> removed and it changed nothing
[22:43] <Prelude2004c> still can't find stuff in /usr/include/
[22:43] <Prelude2004c> its like the system doesn't know where /usr/include is .. very odd
[22:43] <nacc> Prelude2004c: that's not true, as it is using files from /usr/include
[22:43] <nacc> Prelude2004c: *again*, are you absolutely sure you want to compile from source? debugging stuff like this (on your own) is part of it...
[22:43] <nacc> Prelude2004c: you can see the backtrace says it's using files from /usr/include (math.h, features.h)
[22:43] <Prelude2004c> nacc, i don't have a choice.. this is a custom git repo version
[22:44] <Prelude2004c> it has certain fixes for my application
[22:44] <werwer> SonikkuAmerica, know anything about stream splitting and redirection?
[22:44] <werwer> You know, with Alsa
[22:44] <Prelude2004c> well /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h exists
[22:45] <nacc> Prelude2004c: are you by any chance cross-compiling or anything? 64-bit?
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> werwer - beats me
[22:45] <werwer> Anyone here know about Alsa?
[22:45] <werwer> The stuff under the hood
[22:45] <RomanLier> Hello again
[22:46] <werwer> I'm just wondering if any of you know about Stream re-direction, splitting, copying, all in real time
[22:46] <Prelude2004c> wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i got it
[22:46] <Prelude2004c> cp -Rf /old/1/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/ /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ .. the folder was missing
[22:46] <nacc> Prelude2004c: uh... why are you mucking with the compiler include files?
[22:46] <Prelude2004c> we excluded the /sys and for some reason it excluded all folders */sys/ .. hum.. i see the issue
[22:46] <Prelude2004c> its compiling now :P yay !!
[22:47] <werwer> If anyone's wondering
[22:47] <nacc> werwer: that might be better asked in #linux or an alsa channel
[22:47] <Prelude2004c> simple problem really
[22:47] <RomanLier> I need help with onboard, does it support korean? i can't find any information about the language support...
[22:47] <werwer> I want to create a Alsa sink
[22:47] <Jordan_U> werwer: For redirecting streams you'll want to use pulseaudio or *possibly* jackd, but don't install jackd until you have done your research about it.
[22:47] <nacc> werwer: use !alis to find a good channel
[22:47] <werwer> Jordan_U, Not touching jack, heard horror stories
[22:47] <RomanLier> And I'd like to use it with korean characters...
[22:47] <Prelude2004c> file was existed as a symbolic link to the missing directory
[22:48] <nacc> Prelude2004c: so when earlier, you said you made a copy of partitions and directories; you didn't?
[22:48] <nacc> Prelude2004c: or the  copy wasn't exact?
[22:48] <nacc> Prelude2004c: that's why there are way better ways of doing backups/system clones then doing it yoursel f:)
[22:52] <werwer> ok
[22:52] <werwer> Important question!
[22:52] <werwer> Also stupid
[22:52] <werwer> I have LXDE working, is it safe to leave Unity alone and just ignore it?
[22:53] <werwer> Will there be any side effects from installing LXDE to replace Unity
[22:53] <Broseidon7Seez> not stupid.. have to learn somewhere. You can just ignore unity and log in when you want, so long as you don't mess up dependencies or delete files from unity
[22:54] <werwer> ok, I have pretty good experience with Linux on my servers but never my desktop
[22:54] <werwer> This is the first time that I've ever had luck with AMD drivers
[22:54] <Broseidon7Seez> there shouldn't be any side effects from installing lxde. just be careful installing desktop interfaces following guides on the net, like if you install kubuntu-desktop to get plasma you CAN run into issues
[22:54] <werwer> my computer hasn't burst into flames so far.
[22:54] <Broseidon7Seez> haha
[22:55] <werwer> AMD drivers are terrible under Linux
[22:55] <werwer> Nvidia is worse.
[22:55] <werwer> Intel was my only smooth experience
[22:55] <Broseidon7Seez> well right now on 16.04 we seem to be in limbo with amd drivers
[22:55] <werwer> ?
[22:56] <werwer> Broseidon7Seez, would you say Phoronix is a good source to figure out what GPU to get for Linux?
[22:57] <werwer> You guys have to understand, the reason I've never used Linux on my desktop before was because the experience wasn't very polished and felt hacked together
[22:57] <werwer> Last time I tried was 12.04 Ubuntu
[22:57] <Broseidon7Seez> werwer I'm not sure never have been to that website actually.
[22:57] <werwer> From 12.04 to 16.04 is like a Pentium 3 to a Core i7 6700k
[22:57] <Broseidon7Seez> alot of us are new.. I just started using linux at home with ubuntu 14.04
[22:57] <werwer> Broseidon7Seez, I did run Ubuntu 7.04 on a pentium 2
[22:58] <werwer> Gnome on a p2 with 256 of RDRAM was hell.
[22:58] <nacc> let's stay on /topic :)
[22:58] <werwer> I enured hell.
[22:58] <werwer> Stupid question again, what's a good alternative to archive manager?
[22:58] <k1l_> amd got a lot of issues due to their shift from closed source to kernel drivers since 16.04.
[22:58] <werwer> Archlive manager hangs a lot.
[22:59] <k1l_> werwer: apt on cli
[22:59] <werwer> archive
[22:59] <werwer> not package
[22:59] <RomanLier> werwer: Stupid answer: Nautilus
[22:59] <k1l_> you mean file-roller?
[22:59] <nacc> werwer: isn't archive manager the tarball GUI?
[22:59] <werwer> idk
[22:59] <RomanLier> Oh, i know what you mean
[22:59] <RomanLier> werwer: I use B1 free archiver
[23:00] <werwer> ty for the suggestions
[23:00] <werwer> I'm using Nautilus quite well now
[23:00] <k1l_> !info file-roller
[23:00] <werwer> file roller hung trying to extract 41mb of files...
[23:00] <k1l_> but you need to install the archive packages to get file-roller to handle those formats
[23:00] <werwer> it was a .zip
[23:01] <nacc> werwer: and what do you mean by "hang"? it can just take some time, depending on disk speed, size of the archive, etc.
[23:01] <k1l_> make sure to install the proper formats then. fileroller works with zip and even bigger files
[23:01] <werwer> nacc, completely unresponsive
[23:01] <werwer> I let it sit, wasn't extracting
[23:02] <werwer> Can I get some tips on privacy and security with Ubuntu?
[23:02] <werwer> I've already followed fixubuntu.com
[23:02] <k1l_> werwer: look at the logs what was wrong.
[23:02] <werwer> Any other suggestions?
[23:02] <k1l_> werwer: that is FUD, you are aware of that?
[23:02] <werwer> The fact that it searches Amazon still isn't welcome.
[23:02] <werwer> if I want amazon I have Chrome and Firefox, I'd rather not use Unity.
[23:04] <k1l_> werwer: look at system settings-> privacy. its opt-in
[23:04] <werwer> k1l_, You're talking to the guy who unplugs his mic when not in use
[23:04] <werwer> I have a harware switch but I still unplug it.
[23:05] <werwer> So I am taking a performance hit with the opensource amd drivers when trying Minecraft. I've gone from 100fps to 60
[23:05] <werwer> So far nothing's caught on fire though
[23:07] <werwer> So any suggestions for tweaks I should do to improve my experience coming from windows?
[23:07] <werwer> I know I need to set some keybinds
[23:07] <werwer> like Super-L, Super-R
[23:08] <Ben64> if you want more performance, i'd suggest not using unity
[23:08] <nacc> werwer: i thought you just installed lxde? why do you care about unity?
[23:08] <werwer> Using LXDE
[23:08] <werwer> nacc, I do want to learn to work with Untiy.
[23:08] <werwer> Unity*
[23:08] <marus> i've installed ubuntu 14.04 from usb, and i've got the grub error so i just fineshed the installation without grub
[23:09] <iamanewb> Hey guys, I hope someone can help me. I am trying to run a gui that uses qt and i am getting these error messages: libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied
[23:09] <iamanewb> libGL error: failed to load driver: i965
[23:09] <marus> i don't know how can i boot the system
[23:10] <Malinux> Bashing-om: thanks. i am gonna sleep again :)
[23:10] <werwer> marus, boot rescue disk and mount your drive that doesn't have grub
[23:10] <werwer> then iirc, grub-install <disk without grub>
[23:11] <werwer> Well, you might want to chroot to that disk first.
[23:11] <avis-> gmail
[23:11] <nacc> iamanewb: what gui?
[23:11] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Sleep well .. Still do not know how to find what may have installed the libraries . Libraries are common to many applications.
[23:11] <umoukun> nacc: can I privmsg you for some kernel/grub help?
[23:11] <marus> werwer:http://askubuntu.com/questions/532540/ubuntu-installation-failure-unable-to-install-grub/532549
[23:11] <marus> like this answer?
[23:12] <nacc> umoukun: would rather you kept in the channel, if possible
[23:12] <umoukun> ok
[23:12] <werwer> umoukun, yes.
[23:12] <umoukun> is there a way to configure a single kernel entry in grub.conf
[23:12] <werwer> sorry, marus *
[23:12] <nacc> umoukun: how do you mean?
[23:12] <umoukun> whenever I run update-grub2, it puts the current kernel in the config
[23:13] <Queenslayer> use grub customizer
[23:13] <marus> werwer: so just boot with usb again? and mount the partition where ubuntu is installed and then chroot and excute update-grub?
[23:13] <umoukun> I cant use grub custom
[23:13] <umoukun> I run server
[23:14] <avis-> in addition to amazon icon is there a facebook one ?
[23:14] <iamanewb> nacc: is a gui developed for ROS (robot operating system) and uses QT 5 libraries
[23:14] <umoukun> should I purge the unused kernel?
[23:14] <nacc> umoukun: so were you able to boot to the newer kernel?
[23:14] <umoukun> no
[23:14] <nacc> umoukun: did you try grub-set-default ?
[23:14] <umoukun> I dont get it
[23:14] <umoukun> yeah
[23:14] <k1l_> iamanewb: try "sudo adduser username video"
[23:14] <umoukun> its in /boot
[23:14] <nacc> umoukun: what is in /boot?
[23:14] <k1l_> iamanewb: change username to the exact username
[23:14] <marus> seem that everyway has Problem with grub here :D
[23:14] <Conner> Anyone here do programming or operating system dev?
[23:15] <nacc> Conner: yes, but there are probably better channels for that kind of question (check !alis)
[23:15] <ubuntu__> curious in ubuntu is there any configuration file for changing the toolbars background color or setting a background theme for the toolbars?
[23:16] <iamanewb> k1l_: i tried and the error messages still pop up
[23:16] <Conner> nacc: "!alis"?
[23:16] <nacc> !alis | Conner
[23:16] <ubuntu__> Also is there away to move the left launcher toolbar to a different place on the desktop to an (x,y ) postion on a desktop
[23:16] <campee> does anyone know the proper syntax to blacklist a module at boot? i'm trying to prevent my 40gig cards from being detected when running the ubuntu installer
[23:17] <campee> i did this: APPEND initrd=/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz console=tty0 ixgbe.blacklist=yes mlx4_core.blacklist=yes mlx4_en.blacklist=yes
[23:17] <start2work> !l
[23:17] <campee> but i still see the cards, and i'm sure those are the right kernel modules
[23:17] <nacc> campee: i don't think that's right.
[23:17] <umoukun> nacc: http://pastebin.com/8fqehj7R thats whats in boot
[23:17] <nacc> campee: that's passing 'blacklist=yes' as a parameter to those modules
[23:17] <k1l_> ubuntu__: left or bottom is possible
[23:17] <nacc> campee: but that would necessarily load those modules, to parse the parameters...
[23:17] <ubuntu__> not any postion?
[23:18] <k1l_> iamanewb: relogin afterwards
[23:18] <campee> what would you put instead?
[23:18] <k1l_> ubuntu__: no.
[23:18] <ubuntu__> is there away to change the background color of the toolbars
[23:18] <umoukun> nacc: I dont get why update-grub doesnt pickup the new kernel
[23:19] <umoukun> have been using linux for over 20yrs
[23:19] <umoukun> baffled
[23:19] <ubuntu__> Or change the size of the icons that are pinned to the tool bars basically can you make the tool bars bigger or skinner , condense it etc
[23:19] <nacc> campee: i think you want to use modprobe.blacklist= (see `man modprobe`)
[23:19] <k1l_> ubuntu__: look at the "unity-tweak-tool"
[23:19] <nacc> umoukun: it does pick up the newer kernel, afaict (based upon your prior messages); it's just not setting it to be the default
[23:20] <campee> nacc: let me try that
[23:20] <EriC^^> umoukun: what's the problem?
[23:20] <ubuntu__> O i was wondering from an x11 config file or config file in /etc  or something not having to install a program to do so
[23:20] <umoukun> nacc: whats the syntax for a new boot entry
[23:20] <ubuntu__> Plus i would then be asking how the program does it
[23:20] <k1l_> ubuntu__: you can dig through dconf editor if you like
[23:21] <umoukun> sudo grub-set-default --boot-/boot ?
[23:21] <umoukun> EriC^^: having problems with kernels
[23:21] <nacc> umoukun: hrm? new boot entry? or setting the default?
[23:21] <campee> nacc: i don't suppose you know of a way to force a particular ethernet card to be detected as eth0 during install?
[23:22] <nacc> umoukun: did you read `man grub-set-default` ?
[23:22] <umoukun> nacc: I commented out the old kernel in grubconf
[23:22] <umoukun> there isnt anything in the man page
[23:22] <k1l_> ubuntu__: or the gsettings command on cli. have fun diggin through the docs then :)
[23:22] <EriC^^> umoukun: what are you trying to do?
[23:22] <nacc> umoukun: it tells you how to invoke it... and there's no --boot parameter
[23:22] <umoukun> trying to update my kernel with grub
[23:23] <iamanewb> k1l_: hey, i now get a different error message so some progress i think :): libGL error: pci id for fd 15: 8086:1916, driver (null)
[23:23] <iamanewb> i965_dri.so does not support the 0x1916 PCI ID.
[23:23] <iamanewb> libGL error: failed to create dri screen
[23:23] <iamanewb> libGL error: failed to load driver: i965
[23:23] <ubuntu__> is there away to get rid of the top menu bar or is that part of the launcher program as well
[23:23] <nacc> campee: looking one sec
[23:23] <umoukun> what do I use for MENU_ENTRY
[23:23] <umoukun> the kernel?
[23:23] <EriC^^> umoukun: update-grub should pick it up
[23:23] <nacc> umoukun: 'MENU_ENTRY is a number, a menu item title or a menu item identifier.'
[23:23] <umoukun> EriC^^: it doesnt
[23:24] <nacc> EriC^^: umoukun's grub does see all the kernels, but it's booting to the older kernel for some reason
[23:24] <k1l_> iamanewb: please run "lspci |nc termbin .com 9999" and show the url here
[23:24] <EriC^^> umoukun: pastebin update-grub's output
[23:24] <marus> can any one help with ubuntu installion without grub Problem?
[23:24] <EriC^^> marus: what's the problem exactly?
[23:24] <k1l_> iamanewb: and the output of "uname -a" please in here
[23:24] <campee> nacc: hey, that blacklist method worked! thanks a lot! the NIC is showing up as em1 though, and my preseed file tells it to configure eth0 :(
[23:25] <marus> EriC^^:Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda
[23:25] <umoukun> I just set the default to 1
[23:25] <EriC^^> marus: the installer said that?
[23:25] <marus> EriC^^: i try to install from usb stick in ssd hard drive and i get this error
[23:25] <iamanewb> k1l_: i get http://termbin.com/8wlo and Linux wheely-prototype 4.2.0-27-generic #32~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 22 15:32:26 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:25] <umoukun> still the same kerne
[23:25] <marus> EriC^^: right
[23:25] <EriC^^> umoukun: if update-grub didn't pick it up, setting that won't do anything
[23:25] <umoukun> I dont even get it
[23:26] <umoukun> how does the config not even control this
[23:26] <umoukun> I dont get it
[23:26] <EriC^^> chill..
[23:26] <horatiohb> How do I change the root filesystem to another device? I've edited fstab to mount it as the new root fs, but it doesn't take. This is on a vbox, btw.
[23:26] <EriC^^> umoukun: can you please paste the output of update-grub?
[23:26] <umoukun> ok
[23:27] <Ben64> horatiohb: how would it change when it has to load fstab from the root partition
[23:27] <marus> EriC^^: just like this error http://askubuntu.com/questions/532540/ubuntu-installation-failure-unable-to-install-grub/532549
[23:27] <umoukun> http://pastebin.com/vaXRX2vf
[23:27] <k1l_> iamanewb: you might want to try the new HWE: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack replace the wily with xenial on this
[23:27] <umoukun> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/vaXRX2vf
[23:28] <nacc> campee: yep, trying to find the syantx, one sec
[23:28] <horatiohb> Ben64: I don't understand you. I'm on a vbox. I even detached the old device and attached only the new one. But then it won't boot.
[23:28] <craptalk> what is the most lighweight linux distro for an old pc?
[23:28] <EriC^^> umoukun: ok, it does pick up the 88 kernel
[23:28] <umoukun> should I just rm the files and run update grub?
[23:28] <EriC^^> umoukun: is that the kernel you want it to boot?
[23:28] <craptalk> is it only Lubuntu?
[23:28] <EriC^^> umoukun: no
[23:28] <umoukun> EriC^^: yeah
[23:28] <umoukun> it uses 79 every damn time
[23:29] <EriC^^> umoukun: pastebin /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:29] <umoukun> ok
[23:29] <EriC^^> umoukun: do you have multiple hdd's?
[23:29] <umoukun> no
[23:29] <umoukun> one ssd
[23:29] <umoukun> vm
[23:29] <EriC^^> ok
[23:29] <k1l_> craptalk: we only support ubuntu flavours in here, if you want non ubuntu stuff ask in ##linux (like you know that since we told you often)
[23:30] <craptalk> k1l_: you know me before?
[23:30] <EriC^^> marus: are you in the live usb right now?
[23:30] <iamanewb> k1l_: i will give that a shot if i get a chance. Thanks for your help!
[23:31] <ubuntu__> ok more general question if i was using pure x11 gnome or kde is there a configuration file to  set the toolbars configuration like sizes, placement,  background color/transparency /image
[23:31] <Bashing-om> umoukun: Might also check and see what is set to boot ' ls -al /vmlinuz* ; ls -al /intird* ' .
[23:31] <umoukun> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/ZhDH4y9u
[23:31] <ikonia> umoukun: thats nothing to do with x
[23:31] <umoukun> x?
[23:31] <ikonia> umoukun: oops, sorry
[23:31] <umoukun> wtf
[23:31] <umoukun> ok
[23:31] <ikonia> ubuntu__: thats nothing to do wtih X, thats a desktop specific config
[23:31] <k1l_> iamanewb: thing is, your skylake cpu/gpu is that new and had issues on kernels <4.4. which is shipped on 16.04. with that way i told you you can have that new kernel and xorg on the 14.04
[23:31] <umoukun> heh
[23:32] <umoukun> NOTHING is wrong with my config
[23:32] <marus> EriC^^: i'm using another hardrive
[23:32] <ubuntu__> ok and does normally the desktop manager program have in the /etc a way to configure the toolbar
[23:32] <umoukun> I do not understand how it is booting to the same kernel
[23:32] <ikonia> umoukun: no
[23:32] <ikonia> umoukun: damn it, sorry
[23:32] <ikonia> ubuntu__: no,
[23:32] <umoukun> np
[23:32] <k1l_> ubuntu__: gnome uses dconf too, like unity (since they share the same base). i dont know about kde.
[23:33] <marus> EriC^^: but i have usb live
[23:33] <EriC^^> marus: ok, boot the live usb on the pc that has ubuntu on it
[23:33] <ubuntu__> so you kind of need to install another toolbar  and windows manager and put them in your xinitrc at start up or something
[23:33] <EriC^^> umoukun: hold shift to get grub and troubleshoot it from there
[23:33] <ikonia> ubuntu__: no, why don't you explain your situation and what you're trying to do
[23:33] <EriC^^> umoukun: check what it's using for the configfile
[23:33] <umoukun> I have no access to the console
[23:33] <ikonia> rather than generic questions that depend a lot
[23:33] <marus> EriC^^: then?
[23:33] <ubuntu__> dconf is a database for what the man page doesn't tell me what it is really for
[23:33] <k1l_> craptalk: do i really need to prove you how often i told you about the topic of #ubuntu since march?
[23:34] <EriC^^> marus: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:34] <umoukun> how do I see what config its using
[23:34] <EriC^^> try echo $prefix
[23:34] <marus> EriC^^. i've typed fdisk -l , and the system is installed in /dev/sdf1
[23:34] <k1l_> ubuntu__: i dont think you understand how complex a big desktop enviroment like gnome, unity or kde is. what is you endgoal behind the question? you want a minimal desktop?
[23:35] <EriC^^> and try to force it with configfile (hdx,msdosY)/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[23:35] <EriC^^> marus: ok, try sudo mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt
[23:35] <ubuntu__> to customize the toolbar any way i would like it to be
[23:36] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what tool bar ?
[23:36] <k1l_> ubuntu__: think of dconf as of the windows registry. its a key based configuration system
[23:36] <k1l_> ubuntu__: most things are not coded to be changed in "any way"
[23:36] <ubuntu__> because apart from the theme desktop picture, icons , the only thing  is the toolbar . For getting the windows manager  for a second
[23:36] <marus> EriC^^: sudo mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt, sudo chroot /mnt, update-grub?
[23:37] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what desktop are you using
[23:37] <ubuntu__> i think unity it is ubuntu 14
[23:37] <nacc> campee: can't you just use 'auto' in your preseed?
[23:37] <EriC^^> marus: no, after sudo mount do "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[23:37] <campee> nacc: hm, i'll try that.
[23:37] <ikonia> ubuntu__: ok - so when you say toolbar, are you talking about "the dock"
[23:37] <k1l_> ubuntu__: you want a microsoft windows lookalike?
[23:37] <campee> nacc: thanks!
[23:38] <nacc> campee: also, keep in mind, there is a sort of conceptual race between stuff needed to configure network in order to get your preseed file and then processing the same preseed file
[23:38] <ubuntu__> there is only a left hand toolbar that i can from system settings auto hide or the top fix toolbar is the top one called the dock
[23:38] <nacc> campee: meaning sometimes you might need to pass the d-i values on the installer cmdline
[23:38] <marus> EriC^^: kk will try it
[23:38] <ikonia> ubuntu__: ok - so it's the launcher you're talking about
[23:38] <ikonia> ubuntu__: where you launch apps
[23:38] <k1l_> ubuntu__: on unity the left bar is named "launcher" and the top bar is named "panel"
[23:39] <k1l_> ubuntu__: and unity is not that much configurable. neither is gnome-shell. i guess kde gives more options
[23:40] <ubuntu__> ok  how do you remove items or change items on the panel thats one thing i was curious  about. And the major thing was the launcher toolbar to the left
[23:40] <k1l_> ubuntu__: remove what exactly? and what is "the issue" with the launcher?
[23:40] <ubuntu__> the small icons on it changing them , adding or removing
[23:41] <k1l_> ubuntu__: did you look into "unity-tweak-tool" if you dont want to dig through dconf settings as i told you 5 times now?
[23:41] <ubuntu__> for the panel
[23:41] <k1l_> changing the icons would work best with icon themes.
[23:41] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Are you wanting to change what programs are ON the launcher?
[23:42] <Tin_man> i think thats what he's wanting to do.
[23:42] <RomanLier> ok bye
[23:43] <k1l_> ubuntu__: you can blacklist icons (most are called "indicators") from been shown on the panel.
[23:43] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: If so, you can remove an icon from the launcher (on the side) by right-clicking the icon and clicking "unlock from launcher". The icon will always be there while the program in question is running, but if the icon is unlocked, then it will disappear as soon as the program is closed.
[23:43] <Tin_man> ubuntu__, if you don't want a icon in the launcher, just right click on it and remove it.
[23:43] <k1l_> but that could have been asked in the first place.
[23:43] <ubuntu__> no talking about removing small icons from the panel top bar
[23:43] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: You can add new icons to the launcher by searching for a program in the Dash, and drag-dropping it onto the Launcher. Alternatively, if the program is already running, you can right-click its icon on the launcher and click "Lock to launcher"
[23:44] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Finally, just drag and drop the icons on the launcher to rearrange them
[23:44] <k1l_> CodeMouse92: Tin_man i dont think we understood what ubuntu__ wants at all
[23:44] <Tin_man> most of those are fixed icons, like, date, time, and system
[23:44] <mike12> hello
[23:44] <ubuntu__> i know how to take care of add/removing icons from the launcher not from the panel thats my issue
[23:44] <Tin_man> now he's talking top panel
[23:44] <k1l_> ubuntu__: then blacklist them
[23:44] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Ah. Which icons specifically do you want to remove from the panel?
[23:45] <ubuntu__> EN one on top panel how do you blacklist them?
[23:45] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Ah, that's an easy one. Go to System Settings and Text Entry
[23:46] <CodeMouse92> And then uncheck the box on the lower left that says "Show current input source in the menu bar"
[23:46] <ikonia> ubuntu__: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/shell-overview.html
[23:46] <k1l_> take it out of the "systray-whitelist" in dconf
[23:46] <k1l_> CodeMouse92: that is not working on unity.
[23:46] <CodeMouse92> (Why are we overcomplicating this? The option is in System Settings)
[23:46] <CodeMouse92> k1l_: Really? I just did it in Unity
[23:47] <ubuntu__> so how do you do it for the other ones like mail  time ,...etc
[23:47] <ubuntu__> worked for EN
[23:47] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: The easiest way is with the unity-tweak-tool (sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool)
[23:47] <k1l_> CodeMouse92: sorry, you are right. i misinterpreted the "EN".
[23:47] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Install that, start it up, and go to Panel. You can toggle most of the built-in icons there
[23:48] <k1l_> ubuntu__: i told you to use the easy method: unity-tweak-tool 5 times now. since you refuse go and dig the dconf editor finally. its the com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist key
[23:49] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: The mail indicator specifically is a program called 'indicator-messages', which you can remove if you don't want it anymore at all
[23:49] <ubuntu__> you sure thats availabe for 14 version because i have all repo check and i don't see it
[23:50] <mundus2018> I mustve hit some key combination or something but I cant scroll in my terminal anymore, it just scrolls my commands, how do I fix that?
[23:50] <mundus2018> xfce
[23:50] <k1l_> !info unity-tweak-tool trusty
[23:50] <k1l_> ubuntu__: ^
[23:50] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: In the terminal, run "sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool"
[23:52] <atrom_> hello
[23:52] <ubuntu__> ok cool one last things on the gui enviorment is windows manager part is that just the program that takes care of the windows decoration , transparency , motion of windows , min,max,
[23:52] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: By the way, I'm curious why you want to remove many of these things from the panel. Some of them are pretty essential for day-to-day easy use of Ubuntu (clock).
[23:52] <ubuntu__> And theme of the windows
[23:53] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: unity-tweak-tool is good for that as well. You can install additional themes....
[23:53] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: A whole bunch of great themes for Ubuntu are here: http://noobslab.com/themes
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> They have installation instructions on each. Once you've installed a theme, use the Unity Tweak Tool -> Themes to switch the theme. Same goes for icon themes (http://noobslab.com/icons)
[23:54] <ubuntu__> I just want to know how to customize the gui enviroment all the different things given an arbitary  desktop manager but apparently it is highly dependent on the desktop manager configuration files and weather they let you configure what settings
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> OOps: http://www.noobslab.com/p/themes-icons.html#icons
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Well, Unity is pretty well limited to what you see already. You can change the icon theme and window colors, and there are some additional things in Unity Tweak Tool (just play with it)
[23:55] <CodeMouse92> But, by and large, Unity is what you see here.
[23:56] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: There are some additional tricks for Unity, which you can get by installing CompizConfig and its extras...
[23:56] <CodeMouse92> Install that in the terminal with the command "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-plugins-extra"
[23:57] <CodeMouse92> But pay attention to any warnings the program gives you, to ensure you don't break anything or make your system inoperable :)
[23:57] <furkan> anybody here have a skylake system? when i run prime95 under ubuntu, my CPU gets throttled to 2700MHz... under Windows 10 it runs at the 4000MHz base frequency
[23:57] <Lucid> I installed google chrome and it's not in the Unity search?
[23:57] <ubuntu__> so is the desktop manager just made up of toolbars , windows manager , and desktop theme/icons  (plus maybe a gui widget if one runs a background program)
[23:57] <k1l_> Lucid: did you relogin?
[23:57] <CodeMouse92> Lucid: sometimes you have to logout/login (or restart) to see those changes
[23:58] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Mmmm....not precicely. Unity is a little more integrated than that.
[23:58] <Lucid> No I didn't. I'll try that now. Thanks.
[23:58] <ubuntu__> Is there away to switch out just the windows manager part  leaving the tool bars
[23:58] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: No
[23:58] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what is the desktop you want
[23:58] <ubuntu__> in gnome or kde or lxde
[23:58] <ikonia> you may as well just tell us - as your questions make no sense
[23:58] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what is the end goal you want
[23:59] <k1l_> ubuntu__: in theory: yes. but practical: not without you doing a lot of coding, since most stuff is not working together out of the box.