[01:31] <bulazeem> i've been having a lot of problems getting my archer t1u wireless dongle to work consistently on my pc.  anyone have the time and patience to help me while explaining things in a very basic way (linux novice here)
[01:38] <bulazeem> well if anyone decides to take a look, i've explained my troubles here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328049
[13:00] <Salmoneus> Hello all from China. Since leaving my last job I decided to take the plunge with Linux via Lubuntu 16.04.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> As you might expect it hasn't been entirely smooth sailing, but I think I've got my basic bearings and now I need some advanced help, hence my appearance in this IRC Channel.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> For the past several days since installing Lubuntu, I have been struggling with getting an L2TP connection up and running. I have tried via ShrewSoft and then via KVpnc. ShrewSoft is entirely unfamiliar and I cannot get any good guides, while KVpnc appears caught in Version Hell and calls "ipsec whack" from the now-obsolete build of strongSwan.
[13:00] <Salmoneus> Any of you have experience setting up L2TP in our beloved Lubuntu?
[13:27] <teward> Salmoneus: L2TP or L2TP+IPSec?
[13:27] <teward> (they're different beasts)
[13:28] <Salmoneus> Given that I need it to circumvent the great firewall, L2TP+IPsec is probably the first beast I want to tackle
[13:28] <TikityTik2> Why is lubuntu so slow on my grandma's laptop. It takes 5 min after startup to open anything. The laptop has 512 MB DDR2 ram and 1.7 Ghz.
[13:29] <Salmoneus> but it's possible that my vpn provider has simply setup its L2TP connections without IPsec, I don't know at the moment
[13:30] <teward> Salmoneus: that's something that would need to be known - L2TP+IPSec is a beast I don't think there's an easy way to achieve on Ubuntu
[13:30] <teward> s/Ubuntu/Lubuntu/
[13:30] <teward> Salmoneus: if it's pure L2TP and that's it, that's easier to handle I believe
[13:31]  * teward starts up his Lubuntu VM to make sure
[13:31] <Salmoneus> Hi teward, well, in that case, let's start with what's accessible, in this case just pure L2TP
[13:31] <Salmoneus> :)
[13:33] <teward> foo i deleted my Lubuntu desktop VM
[13:33]  * teward goes to reinstall
[13:34] <teward> give me a bit to recreate the thing so I can help :)
[13:34] <Salmoneus> TikityTik2: I'm new to this myself, but given how many extraneous packages I've installed these past few days, I could see how the advantage of Lubuntu's lightweight-ness could be eaten up with a bunch of common programs, e.g. LibreOffice etc.
[13:35] <teward> TikityTik2: any chance that's a single-core CPU?
[13:35] <TikityTik2> teward: it is
[13:35] <teward> that's problem #1 there
[13:35] <Salmoneus> teward: Thanks, I'll be around
[13:35] <TikityTik2> teward: intel celeron 530
[13:36] <teward> TikityTik2: the single core processor is one reason
[13:36] <TikityTik2> teward: I thought lubuntu was made for bad computers like this?
[13:37] <teward> i'm just making a note about that being one of the performance bottlenecks :P
[13:37] <teward> don't shoot me because i made an observation :p
[14:23] <teward> Salmoneus: i was trying to figure this out myself, but I don't think there's a pure L2TP client anymore... last one looks like it was L2TP+IPSec, and I can't find one builtin anymore
[14:23] <teward> because that one was deprecated and dropped
[14:24] <teward> sorry if I led you on about there being a solutoin, but googling around a little seems to suggest there aren't any viable solutions
[14:26] <Salmoneus> teward: On one hand, I'm satisfied with myself that I was able to figure that much out. On the other, well, that's really disappointing! I thought Linux was supposed to be the super-system to replace Windows/Mac functionality provided one was willing to get down with command line and somewhat coarser UI's!
[14:26] <Salmoneus> teward: not you leading my own, more my own misperception of Linux :)
[14:26] <Salmoneus> *leading me on
[14:28] <Salmoneus> for ubuntu though, it looks like there's a client called l2tp-ipsec-vpn, but for some reason I can't install the general ubuntu software center on lubuntu, else i would look to give that client a spin
[14:29] <Salmoneus> continuing with lubuntu then, do you think it would be possible to tweak KVPnc so it didn't rely on the outdated pluto library of strongSwan?
[14:32] <teward> Salmoneus: that's the one i was talking about - it was dropped along with openswan
[14:32] <teward> I think strongswan supports l2tp+ipsec VPNs, but I've never seen a *pure* L2TP VPN without the IPSec part
[14:32] <teward> not in the wild anyways
[14:34] <Salmoneus> ha, right, well i'm more than amenable to continuing my venture into the jungle of Linux networking. you said above that l2tp+ipsec was something you were not sure ubuntu supported, but looks like that's the only option left
[14:35] <teward> Salmoneus: possibly, though I roll OpenVPN for the most part on my environments, or old-style Cisco IPSec
[14:35] <teward> (because E:OldCiscoEquipment)
[14:36] <Salmoneus> right, maybe it's just my client, but here in China, the great firewall seems to be pretty able to block out OpenVPN and I've been working L2TP recently at my vpn provider's recommendation
[14:37] <Salmoneus> I suppose that I'll try OpenVPN again, since that seems to be the new kid on the block.
[14:37] <Salmoneus> thanks, teward
[16:09] <lobi> "#lubuntu-es Cannot join channel (+l) - channel is full, try again later" i didn't know channels could fill up, what's up with that?
[16:11] <lobi> anyway... hi all. a friend of mine is bringing an old laptop to install lubuntu on, we'll be asking you guys for help if we run into trouble.
[16:14] <krytarik> lobi: Hi.  That channel isn't used, and just has weird settings - if you want Spanish support, try #ubuntu-es.
[16:15] <lobi> ok. thanks, krytarik
[16:42] <lobito> is lubuntu precise more likely to run on an older laptop than say trusty or xenial? i mean, is support for older hardware dropped as new versions are released?
[18:19] <freelancerbob> hi
[18:19] <freelancerbob> my lubuntu is little bit laggy what i should do or check ?
[18:20] <freelancerbob> videos in firefox are laggy
[18:20] <freelancerbob> when i typing sometime it freezes for few miliseconds
[19:37] <lobito> brb
[21:40] <TikityTik> Hi all, just installed Lubuntu-minimal
[21:40] <TikityTik> and i don't have a window manager or whatever. Can I put John's window manager on it?
[21:42] <Unit193> You should have Openbox, but if you didn't install the task and just went for the meta, that'd change things.  I have never heard of that WM, but you should be able to use it just fine.
[21:43] <Unit193> (Do you perhaps mean 'Joe's Window Manager'?)
[21:43] <TikityTik> probably lol
[21:49] <TikityTik> alright so how do i make a gui automatically come up?
[21:50] <TikityTik> all i get is the sda1 is clean line and everything black