[01:14] <Nosophorus> hello, guys!
[03:21] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> hello ouroumov
[03:21] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> if you are here that is
[03:22] <Dooley_da_Vulcan> so is anyone around that has much experience with UM
[05:46] <mate|95968> anyone here?
[05:49] <mate|95968> I've got a question on networking
[07:08] <fifty-sevenC> Hello
[09:17] <open_coder> keep calm and use ubuntu MATE
[09:50] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, you know if the Ubuntu guys plan on changing the default 90s timeout on systemd shutdown to something more reasonable for 16.04.1 ?
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> I don't, I'll see if I can find out.
[09:54] <ouroumov> Thanks
[10:24] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, Why does you want the timeout changing?
[10:25] <flexiondotorg> And there are no plans to change it.
[10:29] <abhishek_> hi
[10:33] <anotherNoob> hi is anyone around?
[10:35] <Guest26133> hi guys!
[10:35] <amotherNoob> hiya
[10:36] <Guest26133> I just installed ubuntu-mate on my raspberry pi. The monitor has display of 1920x1080 but in settings it is 1824x984 and I can't change it.
[10:37] <Guest26133> any ideas?
[10:38] <anotherNoob> I don't think there are many people around atm
[10:38] <anotherNoob> I'm a noob as my nick shows, so I can't be of any help ;-)
[10:39] <anotherNoob> nut just wait, someone may be here sooner or later
[10:39] <Guest26133> okay thanks!
[10:42] <anotherNoob> would it help to edit the config.txt file display setting in the pi?
[10:49] <Guest26133> anotherNoob, I trying that only
[10:49] <Guest26133> *am
[10:51] <Guest26133> anotherNoob, how to I edit it as root
 ouroumov, Why does you want the timeout changing? -> The systemd default is set to 90s. Thing is there's a lot of times when during the shutdown sequence one process attempts to clean up after receiving the SIGTERM. timeout dictates the delay between SIGTERM and SIGKILL. 90s might make sense in a server settings, but the effect on desktop users is not good at all. Some people have to wait one minute and a half for
[11:30] <ouroumov> their computer to power down. This is windows-like shutdown speed.
[11:32] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, changing to a smaller timeout is a matter of editing a config file ( /etc/systemd/system.conf )
[11:34] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1457400
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov, I suggest you discuss this with pitti in #ubuntu-devel. He is the systemd maintainer for Debian and Ubuntu.
[11:35] <ouroumov> Will attempt to do so, thanks
[11:48] <ouroumov> Well, that's too bad, but I see his point.
[11:50] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, you think maybe changing that config file could be implemented as a one-click action in Boutique -> Fixes?
[11:53] <nmoi> bonjour, on parle aussi français sur #ubuntu-mate
[11:53] <ouroumov> nmoi, on peut
[11:53] <ouroumov> T'as un problème particulier nmoi ?
[11:54] <nmoi> oui mes notification pour le gestionnaire de mise a jour ne fonctionne pas .
[11:55] <nmoi> je suis sur ubuntu mate 16.04
[11:57] <ouroumov> nmoi, vérifie que l'application "Update Notifier" (je sais pas comment c'est traduit en fr) est cochée dans la liste des applications au démarrage (System -> Preferences -> Personal -> Startup Applications)
[12:01] <nmoi> oui j'ai verifié ,il est coché . Au demarrage de mon pc j'ai ,un message d'erreur. quand je desactive update notifier je n'ai plus cette erreur
[12:02] <ouroumov> nmoi, ouvre un terminal et tape "ls /var/crash", et dis mois si tu as des fichiers qui apparaissent
[12:04] <nmoi> _usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash  _usr_bin_mate-panel.1000.crash
[12:04] <ouroumov> C'est tout?
[12:06] <nmoi> il faudrait que je reproduise le probleme ,j'ai desactive update notifier .
[12:07] <nmoi> je quit le canal et je reproduit le probleme et je reviens
[12:07] <ouroumov> Tu peux supprimer ces fichiers dans /var/crash, il y a des chances que ce soient eux qui causent le message d'erreur au démarrage
[12:08] <ouroumov> A moins que le message d'erreur dise spécifiquement que le truc de mise à jours à crash
[12:08] <nmoi> je vais refaire un essai on en saura un peu plus
[12:08] <ouroumov> k
[12:22] <nmoi> de retour ouroumov,voila mon/var/crash :_usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash  _usr_bin_mate-panel.1000.crash
[12:22] <nmoi> _usr_bin_lvpnc.0.crash      _usr_bin_transmission-gtk.1000.crash
[12:22] <nmoi> _usr_bin_lvpnc.1000.crash   _usr_bin_yelp.1000.crash
[12:27] <olegb> ubottu: fr
[12:29] <nmoi> bon, je vais essayer de supprimer les fichier dans le /var/crash et merci pour l'info . j'aurai peu etre plus de chance sur ubuntu-fr . Salut
[13:18] <az> id it possible to have the top left menu open when hovering on it? I think it would be a good alternative to gnome shell compiz thing
[13:18] <az> also if there is one button to show open windows
[13:23] <ouroumov> For the standard menu, I don't think there's an option to unfold when hovering
[13:24] <ouroumov> ( I've looked in dconf org.mate.panel.menubar - not sure that's the correct place I never know how to use that hierarchy )
[13:25] <az> it would be cool IMO
[13:28] <ouroumov> az, I've just looked at the MATE 1.14 changelog and I don't think it was implemented there either. If you really want the feature you might consider creating a Feature Request issue for this up on github?
[13:32] <ouroumov> az, /etc/systemd/system.conf
[13:32] <ouroumov> oups
[13:32] <ouroumov> sorry wrong c/c
[13:33] <ouroumov> az: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues
[13:35] <potatozilla> hi, i made a script that disable gnome keyring and removal seahorse installation files
[13:35] <potatozilla> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yfr6701v5iyr9p/remove-seahorse-keyring.sh?dl=0
[13:35] <potatozilla> i've tested in my ubuntu mate
[13:37] <potatozilla> if anyone do test , give me a feedback
[13:48] <az> ouroumov, https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-menus/issues/40
[13:48] <az> hope it described it
[13:56] <ouroumov> az: aw crap
[13:56] <ouroumov> I think that's the wrong menu you're talking about
[13:57] <ouroumov> az, you mean the one with the search field in the bottom right corner?
[13:57] <az> I mean all menus actually. they all need this.
[13:57] <az> I just discovered the one with the search now. it looks better
[13:58] <az> I was using some other software to launch that search in software. now with this the only thing missing is showing the open windows
[13:59] <ouroumov> az, you're using synapse?
[13:59] <ubuntu-mate> anybody know,ubuntu mate supports locally inegrated menus like ubuntu unity?
[14:00] <az> ouroumov, yeah
[14:00] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, not sure what you mean but same question: have you tried Synapse? There was an integration effort of synapse in Ubuntu MATE.
[14:01] <az> I'm using Synapse it add searching in documents.
[14:01] <potatozilla> i'm using synapse too
[14:01] <az> the search in Mate menu does not have that when I checked
[14:02] <ubuntu-mate> i mean - menus of programs is in windows decoration
[14:02] <az> potatozilla, seems great, I assigned f8 to it to be faster to open
[14:08] <Guest34649> Hey everyone. Good morning/evening -- depending upon where you live. Small problem: my screensaver is set to run at 3 minutes (standard). However, the screen dims then just returns fully lit, no screensaver action. Was wondering what /home file to reset
[14:09] <ouroumov> Guest34649, I've been seeing that happening too, and I think it was discussed on our forum, lemme check
[14:09] <Guest34649> ahhh, sweet!
[14:10] <Guest34649> I've been searching the net: didn't want to show up hat in hand on this one. Just can't seem to locate an answer yet.
[14:11] <ouroumov> Guest34649, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/automatic-lock-screen-not-activating/5696/15
[14:11] <Guest34649> You are a ~gem~ ! Thank you very very much.
[14:13] <ouroumov> Guest34649, you have an account on the forum?
[14:13] <Guest34649> I'm going to make one once I'm done reading this thread.
[14:14] <Guest34649> I was encouraged to try Mint Cinnamon Rosa, but the software's too... old for me.
[14:14] <Guest34649> I tested 64-bit Mate, but my Brother MFC240c won't scan on 64-bit
[14:14] <Guest34649> Installed 32-bit and all is ~perfect~... except the wonky screensaver
[14:15] <Akuli> Guest34649, have you looked at its settings?
[14:15] <Guest34649> Yes; tinkered with it. Often my way of testing is to rename a config file/folder blah-OLD and try again
[14:15] <Akuli> sure, keep a backup of your ~/.config around
[14:16] <Guest34649> mhmm! Never trash! Just rename til the new settings file/folder works just right. hehehee
[14:16] <Guest34649> so, it's tucked in ./config ?
[14:16] <Akuli> there should be screensaver settings in your menu
[14:16] <Guest34649> I mean, ~/.config ?
[14:17] <Guest34649> Perfect! I'll give that a shot.
[14:17] <Akuli> system, preferences, screensaver
[14:17] <Guest34649> In the meanwhile, my sincerest thanks, Akuli. And will be joining the forum momentarily.
[14:20] <ubuntu-mate> what do i prefer for my old laptop (dual core amd a6 chip) ubuntu with unity or ubuntu mate? ubuntu mate is really good, but i like lim menus in unity.
[14:22] <ouroumov> ubuntu-mate, go to MATE Tweak -> Interface. In "Panels" try the "Mutiny" layout
[14:23] <ouroumov> It doesn't work for every applications, but it's a topmenu alright
[14:24] <ubuntu-mate> ouroumov, oh i must try it now, thank you
[14:26] <cristopher> hello
[14:28] <ouroumov> Hello cristopher
[14:37] <cristopher> tuts
[14:37] <cristopher> tuts
[14:49] <wolf> ihi
[14:51] <Guest81212> Hi
[14:51] <Guest81212> Haw i instal Line ??
[14:56] <maxspice> trying to uninstall firefox with apt purge, it wants to remove ubuntu-mate-core* ubuntu-mate-desktop* too. what to do?
[15:04] <potatozilla> i was removed seahorse without uninstall the dependecies
[15:04] <ouroumov> maxspice, it's been discussed in many threads on the forum: those are meta-packages and should be safe to remove
[15:04] <ouroumov> maxspice, this behavior is on track to be corrected for the 16.10 release of Ubuntu MATE
[15:05] <maxspice> ouroumov: thank you!
[15:05] <ouroumov> yw
[15:07] <potatozilla> maxpice, get the list of installed files in synaptic,searching for firefox,open properties,installed and remove all files related at firefox
[15:07] <potatozilla> i did that with seahorse
[15:08] <potatozilla> no more seahorse and gnome-keyring in my system :)
[15:09] <Akuli> potatozilla, if you want to remove installations manually you also need to remove the information about the install from a dpkg configuration file
[15:10] <potatozilla> no has need for me
[15:11] <potatozilla> i have searching for seahorse after removed manuaally and this show that are not installed
[15:11] <Akuli> potatozilla, now your system think gnome-keyring is installed... we can fix that if you like
[15:11] <potatozilla> i already was fixed
[15:12] <Akuli> it shows as installed in dpkg --get-selections
[15:12] <Akuli> or doesn't it?
[15:13] <potatozilla> dpkg -L seahorse
[15:13] <potatozilla> no more files
[15:13] <Akuli> how about dpkg --get-selections | grep seahorse ?
[15:14] <potatozilla> output: "seahorse					install
[15:14] <potatozilla> "
[15:14] <potatozilla> is already uninstalled lol
[15:15] <potatozilla> and i've only removed manually
[15:16] <Guest81212> skål
[15:16] <Akuli> potatozilla, if you want to we can tell dpkg not to treat it as installed
[15:17] <potatozilla> but it's isn't installed lol
[15:18] <potatozilla> i've made a script for people that want remove seahorse and disable gnome-keyring
[15:20] <potatozilla> ubuntu-mate-core, ubuntu-mate-desktop still on my system :)
[15:21] <potatozilla> 3 daemons related at keyring are disable on startup, is better now that did
[15:23] <potatozilla> before i was the problem with seahorse keyring storege facebook password and ubuntu one without asking
[15:24] <potatozilla> but now i free
[15:39] <potatozilla> akuli , after remove all installed files manually , you can run sudo dpkg -P --force-all seahorse ,to ensure that this really off from the system
[15:42] <Eightynine> Happy birthday Ubuntu MATE. Have just installed it instead of Fefora 24 XFCE.
[15:42] <Guest34649> hehee
[15:42] <Guest34649> Sweet
[15:42] <potatozilla> cake day for all us
[15:42] <potatozilla> party hard!
[15:43] <Guest34649> I started with Breezy Badger and had a hard time remaining with Ubuntu with its new look. So I'm very pleased with Maté.
[15:43] <Eightynine> Fedora and Linux Mint are such a crap. DNF is lightning fast sometimes though.
[15:43] <Guest34649> I'm willing to help with Mate in any way possible. bbl
[15:46] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE 16.10 Alpha 1 is coming up next week, so anyone looking to help, we love the extra testers :-)
[15:46] <Eightynine> 13.119s instead of more than a minute in Linux Lite 3.0 and more than a minute on first boot and more than 30 seconds on every boot of Fedora. After kernel update I could start Fedora only some times. Linux Lite had problems with localization. Forgot to say, tty didn't work in Fedora.
[16:11] <Eightynine> Can I remove Flash?
[16:11] <Akuli> Yes. Say goodbye to it. It's crap.
[16:13] <Eightynine> Same thoughts. I hate Trash Player.
[16:13] <Akuli> :)
[16:13] <ouroumov> Yes. You. Can.
[16:14] <Akuli> UpPerCaSe Words.
[16:14] <Eightynine> Is there Polari chat client in repositories?
[16:14] <Akuli> No, I Think This Is Called CapsWords.
[16:14] <Akuli> apt-cache search polari
[16:14] <Akuli> try that
[16:16] <Eightynine> Trying to remove Flasg and it says Package doesn't exist.
[16:16] <Eightynine>  Package libhal1-flash isn't available
[16:19] <ouroumov> I think there's a one-click install / removal for flash in the Software Boutique
[16:21] <Akuli> Eightynine, dpkg --get-selections | grep flash
[16:21] <Eightynine> Thank you. When trying to remove HexChat using terminal it says it will also remove desktop.
[16:23] <ouroumov> Eightynine, yeah that's a meta package
[16:23] <ouroumov> -core too
[16:23] <Eightynine> That's bad.
[16:23] <ouroumov> You should be able to remove those without breaking your system, according to the forum
[16:32] <core50> heyas
[16:33] <core50> any admin of ubuntu-mate.org in here?
[16:39] <core50> I found a little bug in the website
[17:31] <Eightynine> Why is mintmenu not available?
[18:06] <fifty-sevenC> Mine menu?
[18:06] <fifty-sevenC> Mint*
[18:10] <Akuli> eightynine quit
[18:10] <Akuli> and there is a menu forked from it, it's just not called mintmenu
[18:12] <fifty-sevenC> Oh
[19:19] <edgar> hi
[19:46] <MarioMey> Hola, gente.
[19:46] <MarioMey> ¿Qué se usa en Ubuntu-Mate para compartir escritorio y manejarlo remotamente?
[19:47] <MarioMey> Hello, there. What software is used to share desktop and controlling it remotly?
[19:49] <MarioMey> Remmina?
[19:49] <MarioMey> Or something else?
[19:55] <YankDownUnder> Remmina works...there are other options...
[19:56] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: I instelled Remmina... but how do I make a computer to share itself?
[19:57] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/wiki => aqui
[19:57] <MarioMey> There's a tutorial in web that says "search for 'share desktop'"... but I don't find it in Mate.
[19:58] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, You would be using the application to search - and you'd also be making sure that whatever machine you're looking for is using RDP as well...
[19:59] <MarioMey> YankDownUnder: what If my machine is what I want to share?
[20:01] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, I would suggest the website => http://www.remmina.org/wp/ => as I do not use "Remmina", all of my remote connections are static/secure, or I use "Chrome Remote Desktop" for support... :)
[20:03] <YankDownUnder> MarioMey, And something else to read: https://github.com/FreeRDP/Remmina/wiki/Remmina-Usage-FAQ
[20:03] <MarioMey> Thanks!
[20:03] <YankDownUnder> De nada
[21:39] <ubuntu-mate> hi?
[21:40] <ubuntu-mate> MATE IS FUCKING BAE