[00:00] <ubuntu__> so the toolbar , windows manager is not just a seperate process that one can kill pid and exec another in its place
[00:00] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what is the end goal here
[00:00] <k1l_> ubuntu__: but again: you are too much theoretical for this channel. we are here to solve issues. not to build theoretical issues. what you want to do is get to know how stuff works and how to change it. that means reading the documentation and the code.
[00:00] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Correct. It's all one thing. And k1l_ is correct
[00:01] <ubuntu__> to change out the tool bars or windows manager i was thinking they would have coded it to  be seperate programs that you could switch out the pieces with relative easy or even code another toolbar that you exec in its place
[00:01] <bprompt> ubuntu__:     hmmm depends on what you're trying to do, I run kde apps, and thus run "sddm", however I use lxde as WM, and my window customization and desktop and taskbar and such, are in LXDE
[00:01] <ubuntu__> for just unity or for all the desktop managers pretty much
[00:01] <k1l_> ubuntu__: no. on the big desktop enviroments (like unity) its not seperated into different programs
[00:01] <bazhang> ubuntu__, so try gnome-shell and its numerous extensions
[00:01] <ikonia> ubuntu__: what is the end goal here
[00:01] <ikonia> ubuntu__: just tell us what you want at the end
[00:01] <bprompt> ubuntu__:    back in SuSE used to run gnome apps in kde, or run a gnome session and run kde apps, also has xfce installed
[00:02] <dax> KDE lets you use other window managers fairly easily (there's a system settings option for it).
[00:02] <k1l_> bprompt: i think this is one of the few examples where the agreed on one standard
[00:02] <Lucid> That didn't work. I logged out and restarted yet it's still not showing up.
[00:02] <dax> Personally I'm fond of KDE with openbox.
[00:03] <k1l_> Lucid: is chrome installed properly?
[00:03] <ubuntu__> to beable to create my own desktop not just change the desktop themes or icons on it but to change the windows manager (the way the windows look/feel) as well as the toolbars (look and feel weather it has startup menu or not ...)
[00:03] <Lucid> I'll try uninstalling it and reinstalling it.
[00:03] <ikonia> ubuntu__: not going to happen
[00:03] <ikonia> ubuntu__: you'd do better to learn how to theme the desktop you like
[00:04] <Tin_man> ubuntu__, you'll have to program your own linux then
[00:04] <k1l_> Lucid: apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable
[00:04] <ubuntu__> I was thinking it was just piecing together the toolbar program and start menu program and windows manager to form your desktop manager but not if its all integrated as one application so you have to code from scratch
[00:04] <ikonia> ubuntu__: no
[00:04] <ubuntu__> ok thanks
[00:04] <bprompt> ubuntu__:    hmmm I pretty much do that, I mean, I run lxde and my desktop and taskbar and menus are from lxde, though I run kde apps and also QT ones
[00:05] <Tin_man> there is much more flexibility in Linux desktop manager's than any windows environment
[00:05] <k1l_> ubuntu__: look at cinnamon what they needed to do to get the gnome-shell change the look to the old gnome2 look. its a lot of effort. there are more modular smaller desktops
[00:06] <ubuntu__> yes i got it i have done things like that a little thrue xinitrc files and other x11 configuration files but want to understand it at the more higher levels of creating your own windows and desktop managers
[00:06] <Tin_man> I bet kde would be enough to keep you busy for a tad bit..
[00:07] <Lucid> Okay, I got it now.
[00:07] <ubuntu__> i see that it is going to be complex if you don't uses existing windows and desktop manager components
[00:07] <k1l_> ok. i guess the folks in #ubuntu-offtopic will give their opinions on that since we left the actual ubuntu support in here.
[00:08] <ubuntu__> sure i know with GTK+ or QT i could figure out how to a gui window or menu or toolbar but tieing it to the linux system is the part that is going to be difficult . I mean i know of crap ways of doing it but interms of a good coding practice way like gnome or kde was built
[00:10] <ubuntu__> i could make a button on a toolbar from QT say that when click executes a particular program at a location but i have a feeling hard coding it and doing it this way is not a good portable way of doing it
[00:10] <Shambles> Ok so I might be an idiot but I can't reown a folder that's owned by root.
[00:10] <Ben64> Shambles: what folder where why
[00:11] <ubuntu__> chown
[00:11] <k1l_> Shambles: use chown on the cli.
[00:11] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Actually, (A) if you want to create your own GUI, window manager, or whatever, you WILL have to write code. (B) That's entirely off-topic to this room :)
[00:11] <Shambles> I'm using putty to connect over SSH.  I've mounted a 2nd HDD connected over SATA.
[00:12] <Shambles> I've tried sudo chown -R david:laycocks \mnt\hdd1
[00:12] <ubuntu__> ya i don't mind writting code i know i could get it to work but writting it to be a portable windows or desktop manager that could function on other peoples machines is another thing plus i know i would code it shitty
[00:12] <Shambles> No error message but ls -l still shows root as the owner and group
[00:12] <Ben64> \ isn't correct
[00:13] <CodeMouse92> ubuntu__: Writing code is the only way to make it "portable to other people's machines," and the only way to get better at writing code is by writing code. PMing you to keep the noise down in here (I'm a programming professional)
[00:13] <k1l_> Shambles: \is windows. / is linux.
[00:13] <Shambles> Ok I'll try again.  I'm not sure which slash I used.  I may end up d/c'ing from here attempting to get back to the CLI :P
[00:14] <Shambles> It autocompleted the folder name so I assume it was correct
[00:14] <Ben64> what filesystem is it
[00:14] <ikonia> it's going to be ntfs
[00:14] <ubuntu__> I more of a creative man never was good with writing  coding well for maintainability/portability  . More for understanding , performance ...
[00:14] <Shambles> NTFS.  Used to be a secondary drive on my HTPC
[00:14] <k1l_> !ot | ubuntu__
[00:15] <Ben64> ikonia is a wizard
[00:15] <ikonia> same old same old
[00:16] <Ben64> Shambles: yeah so you can't use chown on ntfs
[00:17] <Shambles> Oh right, NTFS just uses ACL's doesn't it.
[00:17] <ikonia> no
[00:17] <ikonia> it's just not supported on linux
[00:25] <magnum> what is your boot time?
[00:26] <Bashing-om> magicalChicken: @ 5 seconds on spinning rust . Why ?
[00:26] <Rahoul> How do i change cdrom automatic mount permissions?
[00:27] <magnum> what is average boot time of ubuntu xerus?
[00:27] <k1l_> magnum: that depends heavily on the used hardware and used programs and services.
[00:28] <k1l_> and if you would not rejoin everytime you would actually see the answers :/
[00:28] <Bashing-om> magicalChicken: There is no norm .. How fast is the CPU, how much memory, how fast is the bus speed what are you booting to ? Lots of factors .
[00:29] <LiMp^> I am having a really hard time trying to get multi monitors to work on Ubuntu 16.04 as a guest OS on a Gentoo host using QEMU with virt-manager and the QXL driver. In  Display settings it just say Unknown display and only detect 1 monitor... any thoughts?
[00:29] <Bashing-om> magicalChicken: oopps .. sorry l bad highlight .
[00:29] <magicalChicken> Bashing-om: all good
[00:30] <Bashing-om> :) Better if I were to watch were I was .. rather than where I am going --- sometimes .
[00:32] <root__> hi
[00:32] <root__> morning
[00:46] <Bashing-om> root_: UnGood to run in IRC as root .
[00:47] <root_> lala hi
[01:05] <campee> nacc: i tried setting "d-i netcfg/choose_interface select auto
[01:06] <campee> nacc: oops, premature paste. i tried setting that in my preseed file, and now it prompts me to select an interface, even though only one of the two interfaces actually has a cable plugged into it. it seems that i'm being affected by this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/855921
[01:09] <campee> nacc: it looks like i've fixed it by adding "biosdevname=0" to my PXE boot line and specifying eth0
[01:09] <nacc> campee: ah yes, did you try *passing* that to your install kernel?
[01:09] <nacc> campee: netcfg/choose_interface=auto, that is
[01:11] <campee> nacc: i didn't know that was something you could pass to your install kernel. is that what the option looks like? havne't seen them with a slash in their name before
[01:13] <nacc> campee: yes, you can
[01:14] <nacc> campee: i think you can technically pass your whole preseed on the cmdline, but htat would be crazy, and you'd run out of space eventually
[01:14] <nacc> campee: you're just passing the d-i strings with assignment and the installer knows how to parse them
[01:14] <campee> nacc: oh ok, good to know. i think i prefer them all to use 'eth0', so biosdevname=0 is an attractive option to me
[01:14] <nacc> campee: yep, i recall that being passed in many evns
[01:14] <nacc> campee: although, keep in mind, that may only be the name during the install, unless you modify the installed grub config
[01:15] <campee> nacc: thanks for your hepl
[01:15] <campee> help, even
[01:15] <nacc> campee: np
[01:18] <capum321> hello
[01:18] <capum321> i am trying to accomplish this http://www.monodevelop.com/developers/building-monodevelop/#linux
[01:19] <capum321> requires libssh2... is it work if install libssh-4 as seen by my package manager?
[01:21] <capum321> does it work* if install 'libssh-4' as listed by apt-cache*
[01:22] <teward> capum321: libssh2 exists in the repositories
[01:22] <teward> what Ubuntu are you on?
[01:23] <capum321> i found libssh2-1
[01:24] <capum321> 14.04 trusty
[01:24] <teward> capum321: you're probably after libssh2-1-dev
[01:24] <capum321> all right
[01:24] <Arcaire> Would network interfaces still be called eth0/eth1 etc. in Xenial during install, or have they migrated to the new meme names?
[01:25] <Arcaire> enp0s20f0 etc.
[01:25] <Arcaire> (seriously what)
[01:26] <capum321> teward  monodoc 1.0 should be what? monodoc-base?
[01:27] <teward> capum321: if I may ask, why're you trying to compile mono from source?
[01:27] <teward> monodevelop*
[01:27] <teward> Monodevelop's own documentation suggests to use packages that exist on the LInux distros already.  And it's in Ubuntu 14.04
[01:28] <lunabuff> hi
[01:28] <capum321> teward: to install v 6.0 and verify if some bugs are fixed on 5.10
[01:28] <teward> capum321: try `apt-get build-dep monodevelop` then try to compile from source
[01:29] <capum321> teward what can I do monodevelop 5.10 got buggy on my machine
[01:29] <teward> capum321: the command I just said downloads and installs ***build dependencies***
[01:29] <teward> that should help with the need to get all the build depends to build from source
[01:29] <teward> capum321: you then should try and compile from source and see if it says anything else is missing
[01:31] <capum321> teward E: Unable to find a source package for monodevelop
[01:32] <capum321> just monodoc might be missing!
[01:33] <teward> capum321: I think the sources on your computer are messed up then because the source packages do exist.  That said, I'm not going to walk through every single build dependency.  *maybe* it's monodoc-base, you'll have to try yourself
[01:33] <teward> a lot of times a lot of these 'build from source' things are 'trial and error' to get the packages you need
[01:34] <capum321> you said sources on my computer are messed up... which sources ? can I repair this?
[01:36] <Yuri4_> Hi, guys! I can't SSH into my server. Could you help me to decipher ssh -vvv output? http://pastebin.com/NSEz3cs5
[01:37] <lunabuff> " No such file or directory"
[01:37] <lunabuff> "FIle does not exists"
[01:38] <lunabuff> "Look somewhere else"
[01:39] <Ben64> Yuri4_: you need to enter your password
[01:39] <Yuri4_> Ben64 I did enter password of course
[01:40] <Ben64> Yuri4_: what os is the client and server
[01:40] <Yuri4_> lunabuff, I bet if you do ssh -vvv and don't have a public key you'll get the same warnings
[01:41] <Yuri4_> Ubuntu 16.04 latest on both server and client
[01:44] <Ben64> Yuri4_: doesn't look like you entered a password at all
[01:44] <Yuri4_> Ben64 I did enter it
[01:44] <Ben64> well... you didn't
[01:45] <Yuri4_> Ben64 what do you base your assumption on?
[01:45] <Ben64> because every time i try it under a bunch of different conditions, i get output that passwords have been sent and whether it is accepted or not
[01:45] <k1l_> i dont see an error after the passwordprompt.
[01:46] <Yuri4_> Ben64 this is stupid. I'm telling you that I did enter a password
[01:46] <Yuri4_> Do you try with ssh -vvv ?
[01:46] <Ben64> yep
[01:46] <Yuri4_> then the reason is not that I did not enter a password, because I did
[01:47] <Ben64> ok so what happens after you enter your password
[01:47] <Yuri4_> Ben64, line 127-135
[01:47] <teward> capum321: that'd depend on whether you enabled any of the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:48] <snkcld> how can i compile linux-tools-common with a custom kernel?
[01:48] <Ben64> Yuri4_: no, what actually happens
[01:48] <Yuri4_> It asks for a password again
[01:49] <Ben64> because... you typed in the wrong password?
[01:49] <Yuri4_> no
[01:49] <Yuri4_> it says so, yes. But the password is correct
[01:49] <somsip> Yuri4_: are you typing in your password for your ssh key, or for your login?
[01:49] <Yuri4_> somsip, login
[01:50] <somsip> Yuri4_: use password for ssh key if you are using key-based login
[01:50] <Yuri4_> somsip, I'm not
[01:50] <Yuri4_> Here is the full description of the problem: http://serverfault.com/questions/785348/azure-unable-to-ssh-after-transferring-vhd
[01:53] <mhalano> snkcld, did you tried to download package sources?
[01:53] <Ben64> Yuri4_: use recovery mode and fix your password
[01:53] <Yuri4_> Ben64, what is recovery mode?
[01:53] <Ben64> !recovery
[01:53] <snkcld> mhalano: im using a custom kernel, on ubuntu, so i am not able to install linux-tools as they do not have it for kernel 4.6.2
[01:53] <somsip> Ben64: on Azure...
[01:53] <Ben64> Yuri4_: is that actually your post? is this on azure?
[01:53] <Yuri4_> Yes
[01:54] <Yuri4_> I can't use recovery mode. SSH is the only way to connect to the server
[01:54] <Yuri4_> I can attach the disk to another VM though
[01:54] <Yuri4_> But it will take some time
[01:55] <todd_> I am trying to access a file share from a windows 10 machine (I the client am on ubuntu), it is set up for annonomous logins, but I still get a enter user name/password... please help
[01:55] <mhalano> snkcld, did you created a package for this kernel? linux-tools-common is a package with some utilities.
[01:55] <Ben64> Yuri4_: without a root login there isn't much you can do
[01:55] <Ben64> todd_: you need to enable that in windows
[01:56] <Yuri4_> Ben64 I can create a new VM with root access to it and attach disk image of the current VM that I can't log in into new VM.
[01:56] <Yuri4_> Maybe I can edit password that way?
[01:56] <Ben64> yes
[01:56] <todd_> Ben64, I have it works with other windows machines, and andriod but not ubuntu
[01:56] <Ben64> todd_: ok
[01:57] <Lope> are there any tricks to extend laptop battery life, like power down some of my CPU cores?
[01:57] <Yuri4_> Ben64, I'm going AFK for a couple of hours. If you could tell me what I can do to change passowrd or get sshd logs once I attached a problematic disk, I'll really appreciate it
[01:57] <r0b> uit
[01:58] <todd_> I am trying to access a file share from a windows 10 machine (I the client am on ubuntu), it is set up for annonomous logins, but I still get a enter user name/password (it works in win and android but not ubuntu)... please help
[01:58] <mhalano> snkcld, if you compile from source probably the utilities already are installed on your system. But look for the content of this package and realize if you need this utilites.
[01:59] <Lope> on my previous laptop, mate had a CPU freq scaling widget I could use to lock my CPU speed to 800mhz so it didn't jump up to 2.7ghz etc. I'm still running mate but can't find that widget. I also ran many find commands on /proc looking for stuff relating to *cpu* *scali* *freq* *max* etc and could not find any special switches to adjust the MAX CPU freq. I'm running a 4.4 kernel. I also checked and found I have a intel speedstep kernel
[01:59] <snkcld> well i attempted to apt-get source linux-tools-common, but it doesnt seem to want to download it, it instead just downloads the linux-4.4.0 package, so i have no idea why that is
[01:59] <Lope> module. I loaded it, but it didn't add any new stuff for the find commands I ran.
[02:00] <mhalano> todd_, did you press "enter" without fill the user/password?
[02:00] <mhalano> snkcld, ok. How you have installed the 4.6.0 kernel?
[02:01] <snkcld> i git cloned the git repo, then make deb-pkg
[02:01] <todd_> mhalano: yes, the button is disabled, and when I press it it puts my curser on the user name field, I can connect to a linux anonomouse share no problem
[02:01] <snkcld> then i instaled the created .deb
[02:01] <linux_> hello everyone~
[02:01] <linux_> I am a rookie
[02:01] <mhalano> snkcld, let me know whats is git repo address.
[02:02] <snkcld> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git
[02:08] <todd_> I can "sudo mount.cifs //192.168.1.4/MOVIES foo -o guest" but cannot access it via command line
[02:09] <todd_> sorry via gui
[02:09] <mhalano> snkcld, you should try with make-kpkg command ("kernel-package" package)
[02:11] <mhalano> snkcld, and please refer my user in your answers so I can get when you answer.
[02:11] <c|oneman> todd_: perhaps its under /mnt or /media?
[02:11] <somsip> todd_: fwiw, my options (in fstab) are these, and it works: username=guest,password=guest,domain=WORKGROUP,_netdev,users
[02:12] <somsip> todd_: maybe _netdev wont help you, but try the rest of that as your -o parameter
[02:12] <lunabuff> todd_: you have to open listener to 0.0.0.0
[02:13] <todd_> I am wanting to be able to access win10 shares via the ubuntu gui, but it keeps asking me to enter login info, command line works, gui broke, please help
[02:13] <somsip> todd_: just gave you a hint on this. AIUI you will need user=,password=,domain= ni your potions
[02:13] <somsip> *options
[02:13] <lunabuff> boycott the GUI
[02:14] <lunabuff> it is no good for anyone
[02:14] <lunabuff> users hate/don't understand it and programmers waste their time
[02:14] <somsip> lunabuff: and back to support now...
[02:14] <todd_> somsip: it is an anonomous share that is the problem, I cannot access it via gui, as there is no user to login with
[02:15] <Jo__> Can anybody help me make a Windows 7 recovery/repair disc please
[02:15] <todd_> somsip: I can via command line though
[02:15] <somsip> todd_: that is different from what you said originally. So what is happening really?
[02:15] <todd_> lunabuff: what? why, I can see the machine just fine
[02:15] <somsip> Jo__: try ##windows
[02:15] <lunabuff> how about the others, todd,
[02:15] <lunabuff> ?
[02:16] <todd_> somsip: nothing has changed, I am trying to access a win10 share, it has anonomus logins, but ubuntu keeps asking for user/pass
[02:16] <Jo__> Will ##windows still be related to Ubuntu? My problems started when I installed Ubuntu, now my boot thing is messed up
[02:16] <somsip> todd_: 09:08 < todd_> I can "sudo mount.cifs //192.168.1.4/MOVIES foo -o guest" but cannot access it  via command line
[02:16] <somsip> todd_: now you say you can connect via command line, but not by gui. So something has changed.
[02:17] <todd_> somsip: yes, the line after I said oops gui, sorry for the typo
[02:17] <somsip> todd_: ah - fair enough
[02:17] <todd_> somsip: I can access via command line, NOT though GUI, sorry about the confusion
[02:22] <MannyLNJ> Question: If I need help setting up XenServer on Ubuntu is this the channel I should be talking in or is there a better one?
[02:24] <mhalano> snkcld, Seems deb-pkg is a Make target, but official kernel don't have this, just the Ubuntu kernel version. I'm cloning the repo you mentioned.
[02:25] <mhalano> snkcld, you could try the ubuntu kernel version which comes with all packages.
[02:27] <mhalano> snkcld, take a look in this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=yakkety
[02:28] <pauljw> MannyLNJ, you might try #xen
[02:28] <mhalano> snkcld, They have the 4.6.0 kernel already compiled and packaged.
[02:28] <MannyLNJ> pauljw: thank you
[02:31] <mhalano> snkcld, you could just take the packages you need
[02:32] <netameta> When i do echo "deb http://nginx.org/packages/mainline/ubuntu/ trusty nginx" >> /etc/apt/sources.list. i get -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
[02:32] <Ben64> netameta: makes sense. you don't have permission to edit that file
[02:32] <somsip> netameta: you need to "echo ... | sudo tee file"
[02:33] <netameta> Ben64, Even as sudo ?
[02:33] <somsip> netameta: no sudo in that line you just posted
[02:33] <Ben64> you didn't say you used sudo
[02:33] <netameta> somsip, so i should add sudo to the file ?
[02:34] <somsip> netameta: no, you should do it like I said.
[02:34] <Ben64> somsip said exactly how to do it already
[02:34] <netameta> sudo echo "deb http://nginx.org/packages/mainline/ubuntu/ trusty nginx" >> /etc/apt/sources.list is the exact line
[02:34] <Ben64> is that what somsip said? ....nope
[02:34] <somsip> netameta: redirection does not inherit sudo. so "sudo echo ... > file" will not work
[02:34] <somsip> netameta: which is not what you pasted, and wont work anyway, as above
[02:35] <netameta> Sorry i meant to copy the line with the sudo
[02:35] <netameta> so i should add the sudo where ?
[02:35] <somsip> netameta: the telepathy plugin is not enabled in this channel
[02:35] <`Zephyr> So, ubuntu is showing me the wrong time on the clock. It's telling me it's 12:33 pm when it should be telling me it's 8:05 am
[02:35] <somsip> netameta: where I said
[02:36] <krytarik> netameta: "tee -a" in your case though.
[02:36] <somsip> krytarik: good one - I missed that
[02:37] <netameta> so echo "deb http://nginx.org/packages/mainline/ubuntu/ trusty nginx" | sudo 'tee -a' /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:38] <somsip> netameta: no single quotes needed around tee -a
[02:40] <holms> anyone able to do this:  service iptables-persistent start ? seems to be no service exists
[02:41] <pauljw> so `Zephyr , go to settings, time and date and change the time and make sure you have the correct timezone set.
[02:43] <`Zephyr> pauljw: I do have the correct timezone set. No change.
[02:44] <holms> ubuntu xenial is officially out and supported right..?
[02:44] <somsip> holms: yes
[02:44] <netameta> i just did: curl http://nginx.org/keys/nginx_signing.key | apt-key add - as instructed in here: http://tinyurl.com/jrppcxn now when i do sudo apt-get update i get an error:
[02:45] <netameta> "W: GPG error: http://nginx.org trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ABF5BD827BD9BF62"
[02:45] <holms> somsip: "service iptables-persistent start" gives "Failed to start iptables-persistent.service: Unit iptables-persistent.service not found." never been an issue on trusty
[02:47] <somsip> holms: its all changed for 16.04 with systemd hasn't it? Does that affect this?
[02:47] <Ben64> netameta: have to use sudo with apt-key
[02:47] <netameta> Ben64, No i did not
[02:47] <Ben64> i know
[02:48] <netameta> curl http://nginx.org/keys/nginx_signing.key | sudo apt-key add -
[02:48] <netameta> or sudo in begining ?
[02:48] <holms> somsip: yes it is :) systemctl start iptables-persistent --> Failed to start iptables-persistent.service: Unit iptables-persistent.service not found.
[02:48] <somsip> netameta: why are you doing this all through PPAs and not using the official packages?
[02:48] <ubuntu__> curious how does one at the command line execute i3 windows manager to start on like alt+f8  i can startx on a different display but how do i tell it on the command line NOT there a configuration file to run i3
[02:48] <netameta> somsip, i could not find the name of the official package
[02:48] <Ben64> netameta: its "nginx"
[02:48] <netameta> i am looking on nginx they have like 5
[02:49] <netameta> nginx-core, nginx-util and some others
[02:49] <somsip> !info nginx precise | netameta (I assume youre on 14.04 as youre following a tutorial for 14.04)
[02:49] <netameta> somsip, Yaps
[02:50] <somsip> netameta: unless you need some feature that is in the PPA version and not in the official version, you seem to be making this difficult for yourself
[02:50] <netameta> somsip, 1.1 is very old version i think current nginx version is 1.6
[02:50] <somsip> netameta: unless you need some feature....
[02:50] <bdragonsl> #vim
[02:50] <holms> somsip: seems to be there's no system.d script :(( http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/iptables-persistent/filelist
[02:50] <Ben64> netameta: the good thing about using the version in ubuntu is that everything just works
[02:51] <somsip> holms: I really no nothing about iptables-persistent. Maybe you should address your main question to the channel
[02:52] <netameta> ben64 thanks adding sudo fixed the problem
[02:55] <ubuntu__> never mind figured it out
[02:56] <`Zephyr> Okay, does anyone know how to make ubuntu time sync again? I googled the problem and tried a bunch of stuff and it does not work.
[02:58] <ridha> hi
[02:59] <superguest> My system is having trouble locating a swapfile specified using its UUID during bootup.
[02:59] <Ben64> `Zephyr: sudo killall ntpd && sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov
[02:59] <Ben64> superguest: blkid | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:00] <`Zephyr> sudo killall ntpd && sudo ntpdate time.nist.gov
[03:00] <`Zephyr> 22 Jun 14:00:06 ntpdate[2782]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[03:00] <`Zephyr> (that time is horribly wrong, btw. It should be 8:30 am)
[03:00] <Ben64> `Zephyr: firewall blocking it?
[03:01] <`Zephyr> I don't know if I have a firewall running. I don't remember enabling it.
[03:01] <superguest> http://termbin.com/rlsh
[03:01] <codepython777> anyone here has used preseed recently? created their own ubuntu iso?
[03:02] <Ben64> superguest: that looks weird
[03:02] <somsip> superguest: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:02] <superguest> 16.04 (xenial)
[03:03] <somsip> superguest: and where did you copy that paste from?
[03:03] <superguest> it's a direct result of " blkid | nc termbin.com 9999"
[03:04] <Ben64> `Zephyr: sudo nmap ntp.ubuntu.com -sU -p 123 -P0
[03:04] <superguest> The system message emitted something to the effect, "A start job on dev-disk-by-uuid ... " during bootup
[03:05] <`Zephyr> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/5XE0Ei0q
[03:05] <somsip> superguest: does the file exist?
[03:05] <Ben64> `Zephyr: looks like something is blocking it
[03:06] <superguest> the start job tried to locate the swapfile for 90 secs before timing out .
[03:07] <`Zephyr> Ben64: I don't know what, though. This is a relatively fresh install of 16.04
[03:07] <somsip> superguest: have a read through the "Four-Step Process to Add Swap File" and make sure everything is as it should be, perhaps without creating a new file but that may be an option too https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[03:07] <superguest> somsip, yes. In fact, that's how I learned it.
[03:07] <Ben64> `Zephyr: router, firewall, isp, something, who knows
[03:07] <somsip> superguest: has it every worked?
[03:07] <`Zephyr> So... basically I cannot have the correct time on ubuntu.
[03:07] <somsip> *ever
[03:07] <Ben64> `Zephyr: you can set it yourself, or disable whatever is blocking it
[03:08] <mhalano> `Zephyr, Do you make dual boot with Windows?
[03:08] <`Zephyr> mhalano: Yes. I do.
[03:08] <snkcld> mhalano: i was hoping to just use the vanilla kernel, though... but i may just use the ubuntu kernel for my host machine, and play around with kernel development inside a vm
[03:08] <superguest> somsip, the uuid was obtained from "blkid -s UUID -o value /var/local/512MiB.swap"
[03:08] <somsip> superguest: that's not what I'm asking. For example, I dont have write access to my /var/local and that's where your swap is located. That would cause a problem...
[03:08] <`Zephyr> I've been dual booting with windows for years. This is the first I've heard of a time sync problem.
[03:09] <Ben64> `Zephyr: usually happens because windows likes setting the system time to local time, and linux likes UTC. this isn't related to that at all
[03:09] <somsip> superguest: also, that link I gave you doesnt say to do that so have you followed some instructions from elsewhere?
[03:09]  * jamesd hasn't dual booted in years...  vmware/virtual box on modern hardware is good enough. 
[03:10] <`Zephyr> Ben64: Hmm. Actually, that would explain the difference. It is exactly 5.5 hours, the difference between UTC and Indian Standard Time.
[03:10] <mhalano> `Zephyr, I tried time.nist.gov and I can't get it. Try ntp.ubuntu.com
[03:10] <Ben64> `Zephyr: oh i thought it wasn't since it wasn't an even amount of hours off
[03:10] <mhalano> `Zephyr, 5:30h
[03:10] <`Zephyr> Indian Standard Time is 5 and a half hours ahead of UTC
[03:11] <`Zephyr> mhalano: I am not sure how I am supposed to do that.
[03:11] <superguest> somsip, The command I typed is one way to obtain the UUID of a block device; it's doesn't conflict with what is said in the article.
[03:12] <mhalano> `Zephyr, http://www.howtogeek.com/211144/how-to-get-windows-and-linux-clocks-to-display-the-correct-and-matching-time-dual-boot/
[03:12] <mhalano> You need to add a registry key.
[03:12] <mhalano> `Zephyr, please let us know if worked
[03:12] <Ben64> superguest: but it's not a block device, it's a file
[03:13] <`Zephyr> mhalano: when I try sudo ntpupdate ntp.ubuntu.com, it tells me no server suitable for synchronization found.
[03:13] <superguest> Ben64, would that be a problem?  That might answer my problem.
[03:13] <holms> i wonder how's the transition between trusty and xenial will go on.. there's gazillion of packages which doesn't have system.d scripts yet
[03:14] <Ben64> superguest: yep
[03:14] <srir4m> hey
[03:14] <Ben64> `Zephyr: ntpdate -d ben64.com
[03:14] <srir4m> is the current version of vlc working for u guys?
[03:14] <Ben64> yep
[03:15] <srir4m> huh
[03:15] <srir4m> well when i open a file...it does nothing...
[03:16] <mhalano> `Zephyr, very strange. May be you change the windows registry first or try hwclock command (as described in the link)
[03:16] <somsip> superguest: that's as maybe, but it's not working. So I would suggest using the file path in fstab not the uuid and seeing if it works. ie: do what it says in the article, get it working, then add a UUID if you prefer
[03:17] <superguest> somsip, yes it works on filepath.
[03:17] <`Zephyr> mhalano: Okay, so the gist here is that I want the time on my BIOS to be set as UTC?
[03:17] <`Zephyr> And it should actually be at the UTC time?
[03:18] <somsip> superguest: so it seems like something in using the uuid is wrong.
[03:18] <`Zephyr> I think I'll have to manually set the time on my bios to the current UTC time ( 3:08 am)
[03:19] <mhalano> `Zephyr, You could do this using hwclock command
[03:19] <mhalano>  sudo hwclock --systohc --utc
[03:19] <`Zephyr> mhalano: Except it does not seem to work.
[03:19] <`Zephyr> Oh. Double dash.
[03:20] <`Zephyr> Well, wont that set my current time of 2:19 pm as UTC on my bios? That is woefully incorrect.
[03:20] <mhalano> `Zephyr, I had this problem either with dashes
[03:21] <mhalano> `Zephyr, when you execute 'sudo hwclock', what time is it?
[03:22] <`Zephyr> Wednesday 22 June 2016 02:21:40 PM IST  .312164 seconds
[03:22] <`Zephyr> Which is neither the correct UTC time nor the IST time.
[03:22] <mhalano> `Zephyr, and what your BIOS time?
[03:23] <superguest> Ben64, the funny thing is, when you mkswap, it actually outputs an UUID for you to use upon completion.
[03:23] <`Zephyr> I don't know. I'd have to reboot to check, right?
[03:23] <mhalano> `Zephyr, Sure.
[03:23] <Ben64> superguest: ok?
[03:26] <`Zephyr> mhalano: BIOS time was my local time (8:55 am). I manually set it to current UTC time. Now Ubuntu is showing me the correct time.
[03:26] <`Zephyr> But I reckon Windows will screw up next. So I have to do that registry edit?
[03:28] <mhalano> `Zephyr, Kudos for you :)
[03:28] <mhalano> `Zephyr, do the registry edit so Windows won't mess with time.
[03:29] <mhalano> You can use timedatectl command to see all system times.
[03:29] <mhalano> And this article is quite interesting: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/time
[03:30] <`Zephyr> Local time: Wed 2016-06-22 08:59:12 IST; Universal time: Wed 2016-06-22 03:29:12 UTC; RTC time: Wed 2016-06-22 03:29:12; Time zone: Asia/Kolkata (IST, +0530); Network time on: yes; NTP synchronized: yes; RTC in local TZ: no
[03:30] <`Zephyr> There, now that looks normal again.
[03:30] <FuzzySockets> Hi folks, I am having a permissions issue... trying to change permissions of something in a /usr/bin directory, but I'm getting the message "/usr/bin/sudo must be owned by uid 0 and have the setuid bit set" any idea how to fix this? I can't sudo su to root
[03:31] <somsip> FuzzySockets: you don't sudo su to root. You use sudo, or at worst, sudo -i
[03:31] <FuzzySockets> somsip: That's my attempt at fixing it
[03:31] <somsip> FuzzySockets: what is the problem, what caused it?
[03:33] <FuzzySockets> somsip: I accidentally changed my /bin owner to ubuntu instead of root
[03:34] <mhalano> `Zephyr, Windows use localtime and Linux UTC. If don't set to Windows use UTC, you will have a problem with time on Linux after boot on Windows. That article about time is very cool and informative
[03:34] <FuzzySockets> or something
[03:35] <FuzzySockets> Changed /usr/bin to be owned by ubuntu instead of root
[03:36] <somsip> FuzzySockets: and how are you trying to fix it?
[03:36] <FuzzySockets> somsip: by attempting to switch to root, which I can't, because sudo is now owned by ubuntu.
[03:37] <somsip> FuzzySockets: I'd boot to recovery
[03:39] <somsip> FuzzySockets: or livecd...
[03:39] <FuzzySockets> I'm using an aws ec2 box.  I have an image I can boot up.
[03:39] <FuzzySockets> That sucks.
[03:40] <FuzzySockets> Quick finger fail.
[03:40] <somsip> FuzzySockets: you wont get root without sudo, and if you cant run sudo, you're stuck
[03:58] <`Zephyr> mhalano: That registry key does not seem to work with windows 10. So I just disabled syncing time on Windows and set it manually.
[03:58] <`Zephyr> And now it seems to be working. Until they find a way to screw this up again.
[04:10] <MannyLNJ> Question: If I have /dev/sda2 formated as al LVM2 PV system how do I mount it in /virtual_machines
[04:11] <netameta> any good tutorial for nginx/mysql/php/phpmyadmin on ubuntu ?
[04:11] <gnarloch> hello
[04:13] <abhishek> how can I schedule execution a command like sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade weekly?
[04:13] <gnarloch> anyone else in #vim too?  If so are you able to chat in there, keeps kicking my messages back.
[04:14] <somsip> abhishek: you could use cron or unattended upgrades
[04:17] <abhishek> somsip, thanks for the reply! I want to specify a day in the week without a specific time. Would cron job do that?
[04:17] <somsip> abhishek: what do you want to specify for time?
[04:18] <abhishek> somsip, just a sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:19] <somsip> abhishek: when do you want it to run - within what time period?
[04:19] <abhishek> somsip, a week
[04:19] <somsip> abhishek: you want it to run at any arbitrary time during a week?
[04:21] <abhishek> somsip, yes, preferably after an interval of 7 days before the previous job.
[04:22] <dibs> Can anyone tell me how to downgrade ruby to 1.9.1 on ubuntu?
[04:23] <somsip> dibs: what version of ubuntu?
[04:23] <user_406> ubermix 3.0
[04:24] <dibs> somsip: 14.04
[04:24] <somsip> !info ruby trusty | dibs (I believe it is 1.9.1 so how have you upgraded it?)
[04:24] <dibs> It was just upgraded from 10 and now our redmine is broken, so trying to drop ruby back to 1.9.1 from 1.9.3
[04:25] <somsip> dibs: ah - ok. Mine is still at 1.9.1 so my bad.
[04:25] <somsip> dibs: http://askubuntu.com/questions/138284/how-to-downgrade-a-package-via-apt-get
[04:26] <dibs> ah apt-get you reckon? I was trying to do it with rvm
[04:26] <dibs> will give it a go
[04:47] <mauro_> hi
[04:48] <Kolusion> I use a VPN service for my internet. I am hoping to make it so when my connection to my VPN service drops out, my computer does not allow anymore network traffic in or out until it is connected to my VPN service again. In Windows 10 Home I was able to do this using the Windows Firewall. I was wondering if anybody knows if it can be done in Ubuntu's firewall 'ufw'?  I have read in the manual for it something that looks like something I 
[04:48] <Kolusion> I have read in the manual for it something that looks like something I may be able to use to do it. The manual indicates (to type this into Terminal):   By default, ufw will apply rules to all available interfaces. To limit        this, specify DIRECTION on INTERFACE, where DIRECTION is one of in or        out (interface aliases are not supported).
[04:48] <Kolusion> I am confused because when I look at the connection information from the network icon in the top right hand corner of Ubuntu's desktop, there is no Interface for my VPN connection. Windows 10 Home treats VPN connections virtually as an interface, but it looks to me as though Ubuntu considers only physical interfaces as true.  Can someone please help me with setting this up?
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, whats happening?
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> there should be an interface for your vpn
[04:52] <plop_its_ellie> for openvpn it should be something like tun0
[04:52] <Kolusion> Not much, just sorting out some computer issues. How about yourself?
[04:52] <Kolusion> What is openvpn and tun0?
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, so if you go into the terminal and type the command ifconfig
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> it will list all your network interfaces
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> when you use openvpn there will be an additional interface
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> usually its tun0
[04:55] <Kolusion> I had a look and I can't find tun0.
[04:56] <larsss> Kolusion: open terminal and type ifconfig
[04:57] <Kolusion> I have 'enp0s25', 'lo', 'ppp0' and 'wlxe8de27129b03'.
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, are you using openvpn?
[04:57] <larsss> Kolusion: are you using PIA's client or Network Manager?
[04:57] <plop_its_ellie> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/78877/is-it-possible-to-set-up-a-vpn-in-such-a-way-that-i-disconnect-from-the-internet
[04:58] <Kolusion> No, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[04:58] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, he means how are you connecting to the vpn
[04:58] <Kolusion> larsss: I am using Network Manager.
[05:00] <larsss> Kolusion: which port for the openvpn connection
[05:02] <Kolusion> plop_its_ellie: That webpage you showed me mentioned this: "Set up routing such that the only route on eth0 is that to the VPN endpoint. Since there will be no route to the Internet without the VPN up, no programs will be able to connect.". Someone mentioned this to be on the Technical answer system, but my concern is that I use more than 1 VPN, and that I would have the hassle of needing to changing my interface gateway to a different
[05:02] <Kolusion> connect to a different VPN server.
[05:02] <Kolusion> I am hoping there is an easier way to do this.
[05:03] <plop_its_ellie> hmmmm, I dont have much experience with iptables
[05:03] <Kolusion> I don't know what iptables is, but thanks for your help anyway :)
[05:04] <plop_its_ellie> iptables is the firewall on linux
[05:04] <plop_its_ellie> you would have to set up some custom rules for your setup
[05:04] <Kolusion> Oh ok, I have the firewall ufw.
[05:05] <larsss> Kolusion: sudo ufw default deny outgoing, sudo ufw default deny incoming, sudo ufw allow out on tun0, sudo ufw allow out 1194/udp.
[05:05] <plop_its_ellie> ufw is basically a front end to iptables
[05:05] <plop_its_ellie> its suppose to be easier to interface with
[05:05] <Kolusion> Sorry larsss, I don't know what that means mate :\
[05:06] <Kolusion> plop_its_ellie: What is a front end?
[05:07] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, basically it runs on top of iptables
[05:07] <larsss> Kolusion: https://gendersec.tacticaltech.org/wiki/index.php/Anonymising_your_traffic_with_linux#Punching_holes_in_ufw_for_a_VPN
[05:08] <plop_its_ellie> instead of using iptables directly, you can use ufw
[05:08] <Kolusion> I see.
[05:09] <Kolusion> Thanks larsss, I am looking at that webpage now, but I don't know what I am suppose to be reading.
[05:09] <larsss> Kolusion: it's strange that you don't have tun0 interface
[05:10] <Kolusion> Ow :\
[05:10] <Kolusion> I am definately connected to my VPN now! :)
[05:10] <superguest> The installation of nvidia-364 broke the default window manager/Unity
[05:11] <superguest> currently there are no windows, dash/Unity, titles, panels; nothing.
[05:11] <superguest> How can I fix this?
[05:12] <plop_its_ellie> superguest, that happened after installing the nvidia driver?
[05:12] <plop_its_ellie> on 16.04?
[05:12] <superguest> yes
[05:13] <Kolusion> You know larsss I am reading the section 'Punching holes in ufw for a VPN' on that page you sent me, and its sound similar to how I blocked non-VPN traffic in Windows 10 Home, so I think this is on the right track.
[05:14] <plop_its_ellie> superguest, what card are you using?
[05:14] <superguest> gtx 760
[05:15] <plop_its_ellie> so you rebooted and then nothing?
[05:15] <plop_its_ellie> you get to the login screen?
[05:16] <superguest> yes.
[05:16] <superguest> I am in X, but no window manager.
[05:16] <plop_its_ellie> do you at least see the wallpaper
[05:17] <plop_its_ellie> oh ok
[05:17] <superguest> or so it seems; well, the only thing I have access to is the contextual menu ("right-click"
[05:17] <Kolusion> I think what I need to do is block all in and out traffic and then find out what my VPN 'adapter' is and use the command 'sudo ufw allow out on tun0 from any to any', where tun0 would be my VPN adapter.
[05:17] <plop_its_ellie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/760043/ubuntu-16-04-unity-desktop-environment-doesnt-load-after-fresh-install
[05:18] <plop_its_ellie> i've ran into that before, dont remember what i did tho, hope that link helps
[05:19] <Kolusion> I am on the right track. larsss you are fuckin Awesome! :)
[05:19] <larsss> Kolusion: your IP address seems like it is owned by Private Internet Access, are you connected to one of their Sydney VPN servers?
[05:19] <larsss> Kolusion: i'm currently connected to one of their Danish servers
[05:20] <Kolusion> It is. No, I am connected to their Melbourne server.
[05:20] <superguest> plop_its_ellie, thanks ellie.
[05:21] <Kolusion> How did you know I was connected to one of their servers? Is it from one of the names I listed before from what 'ifconfig' told me?
[05:21] <plop_its_ellie> hope it helps
[05:21] <plop_its_ellie> Kolusion, you can check peoples connection info in the irc chat
[05:21] <plop_its_ellie> with the whois command
[05:21] <Kolusion> Oh yeah.
[05:22] <Kolusion> I am guessing you saw the name Softlayer Technology. :)
[05:23] <zotherstupidguy> is there an offline translator for linux
[05:23] <zotherstupidguy> ?
[05:23] <plop_its_ellie> your brain xD
[05:24] <Kolusion> I think I can figure out which of these adapter names 'ifconfig' stated that is my VPN service, and then replace 'tun0' 'sudo ufw allow out on tun0 from any to any ' in my command. I am going to try it out now. If I disconnect I will have probably gotten it wrong.
[05:24] <Kolusion> I will be back though.
[05:25] <larsss> Kolusion: you will HAVE TO disconnect and reconnect
[05:36] <swedish> how do I retrieve my user password?
[05:39] <Kolusion> I had a problem. I used these commands and were unable to connect to any network: 'sudo ufw enable', 'sudo ufw default deny outgoing', 'sudo ufw default deny incoming', 'sudo ufw allow in on ppp0 from any to any', 'sudo ufw reload'. After things went wrong I turned the firewall off using 'sudo ufw disable'. What did I do wrong?
[05:45] <adenizgelir> ha
[05:45] <abhishek> any suggestions on this one http://stackoverflow.com/questions/37958974/anaconda-ipython-qtconsole-launcher
[05:46] <uruk7> how to see www.seriesflv.net from terminal -> w3m don't work in this page
[05:47] <netameta> -bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device - on tab click ?
[05:50] <adg_> hi
[05:51] <larsss> swedish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[05:56] <KyleRasp> Hello?
[05:56] <mocxz> helo
[05:56] <open_coder> ubuntu mate vs ubuntu gnome
[05:56] <mocxz> any body here
[05:56] <KyleRasp> can you guys help me out with something?
[05:56] <open_coder> yeah we are here
[05:57] <open_coder> tell us
[05:57] <mocxz> hello guys
[05:57] <mocxz> im new here
[05:57] <mocxz> nice to meet you guys
[05:57] <swedish> thanks larsss, fraid I wasn't specific: I can't log into my freenode account
[05:57] <netameta> How is this possible /dev/xvda1      7.8G  7.5G     0 100% / from df -h ?
[05:57] <netameta> how comes i deleted 200m and they are not available ?
[05:57] <KyleRasp> I got a raspberry pi today and i loaded it up with ubuntu mate and I'm trying to remote into it but I cant use RDP or SSH because of my network here on campus
[05:58] <KyleRasp> what can i do haha
[05:58] <open_coder> ssh i think
[05:58] <KyleRasp> the networks are pretty heavily locked down how would i set up ssh
[05:59] <Kolusion> Sorry guys, I keep getting disconnected from this chat.
[05:59] <Sucks> Client: HexChat 2.12.1 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3217U CPU @ 1.80GHz (1.80GHz) • Memory: 3.9 GiB Total (1.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 62.7 GiB / 227.0 GiB (164.3 GiB Free) • VGA: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 • Uptime: 2h 12m 40s
[05:59] <Kolusion> I think I might know what the problem is. As I have denied other adapters, Ubuntu is unable to DNS resolve the VPN address to an IP address, which is why it can't connect. Hmmm can anyone think of any suggestions to fix this? I am thinking of finding out which ports DNS uses and then allowing that only to my VPN address (if this can be done).
[06:00] <Gallomimia> netameta: reserved space for root?
[06:00] <KyleRasp> open_coder?
[06:00] <Gallomimia> Kolusion: dns is udp 53
[06:00] <netameta> Gallomimia, I dont know it was 7.8 7.8 i just deleted 200mb and the available is still  0 ?
[06:00] <netameta> this doesnt make much sense
[06:01] <netameta> is there a trash can ?
[06:01] <larsss> Kolusion: you'll have to disable firewall, connect to the vpn, then enable firewall
[06:01] <Kolusion> Thanks Gallomimia!
[06:01] <Kolusion> Yes larsss! You are right, and I remember having this problem in Windows 10 Home too. This webpage you gave me is great, it addresses this issue too.
[06:02] <Gallomimia> netameta: reserved space for root means that only root gets to use the remaining 5% of the drive. or whatever you set it to at format time. it's reserved so that when it fills up, root can still access the system and run commands to free up space
[06:02] <Gallomimia> mocxz: hello and welcome
[06:02] <netameta> Gallomimia, I am on root right now
[06:02] <KyleRasp> hey larsss it sounds like you could help me out
[06:02] <open_coder> try wired connection KyleRasp
[06:02] <netameta> Gallomimia, Is there a way to check how much each file takes ? or a good way to clean up system ?
[06:03] <Gallomimia> there is. it's kinda slow. it's called du
[06:03] <Gallomimia> similar flags to df
[06:03] <Gallomimia> well, if your disk is only 8g it won't take terribly long
[06:03] <Gallomimia> it recurses thru every directory and adds up the sizes
[06:04] <netameta> How do i do that ?
[06:04] <Gallomimia> i like to do something like du -h -d 2
[06:04] <Gallomimia> which means
[06:04] <Kolusion> THIS! command seems to be the answer 'sudo ufw allow out from any to [VPN server IP address]'. My concern is, can I use a FQDN instead of the VPN server IP address?
[06:04] <Gallomimia> human readable
[06:04] <Gallomimia> and depth of 2
[06:04] <Gallomimia> then i can ignore the stuff that's small and do it again in a big dir
[06:04] <Gallomimia> also, try apt-get autoremove
[06:04] <netameta> Trued autoremove and clear
[06:04] <netameta> tried*
[06:04] <Gallomimia> autoclean?
[06:05] <Gallomimia> that's another one. it's different
[06:05] <Gallomimia> i think it removes cached files and intermediates from the apt system
[06:05] <de-facto> netameta you can try something like "sudo du -a /var | sort -n -r | head -n 10 " for listing the 10 biggest in /var (or other dirs)
[06:06] <Gallomimia> 8g is a pretty small disk to have your system on. does it contain /home and all that too?
[06:06] <Gallomimia> it just big enough to work comfortably. you'll need to keep on top of clearing out old files tho
[06:06] <Gallomimia> xvda1 what kind of device is this?
[06:06] <D10C4n3> dio cane
[06:07] <netameta> Gallomimia, yea i know its small, and yes it does, xvda1 its a ec2 system
[06:07] <Gallomimia> ah i see
[06:07] <Gallomimia> yeah. you can attach other block storage devices to use as a data drive
[06:08] <Gallomimia> remember, once you spin down the instance, its main disk is usually deleted
[06:08] <netameta> I am going to increare the disk yea but i want to know what keep increasing
[06:08] <Gallomimia> possibly just /var/log
[06:08] <Gallomimia> get an ls -h of that dir
[06:09] <Gallomimia> and maybe throw in an l for checking timestamps
[06:09] <de-facto> netameta you also can wipe the package cache (it downloads packages and caches them) with "sudo apt-get clean"
[06:09] <netameta> de-facto, tried that - thats nice is there a way to make the numbers more friendly ?
[06:09] <Gallomimia> add -h to commands like ls du and df
[06:10] <Kolusion> larsss: Can I use a FQDN in place of [VPN server IP address] in this command 'sudo ufw allow out from any to [VPN server IP address]'? My VPN gateway is a FQDN.
[06:10] <Gallomimia> "human readable"
[06:10] <de-facto> netameta i guess you can use the "-h" flag, but im not sure if sorting works then
[06:10] <Gallomimia> no it doesn't
[06:11] <Gallomimia> so you can use two commands. sort to find which is largest. then use a human readable version on just the ones you're interested in
[06:11] <hateball> netameta: you can run "du -sh /*" for a friendlier overview of what top dir takes most space
[06:11] <hateball> netameta: check /boot for old kernels for instance, remove by running "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[06:11] <Gallomimia> the s means silent, which is the same as -d 0 "depth zero"
[06:12] <netameta> sudo apt-get autoremove  done, sudo apt-get clean done @ de-facto
[06:12] <Gallomimia> netameta: what all are you using this instance for? webserver? database? it's likely something like that gobbling up space with its logs
[06:12] <netameta> Gallomimia, its a wordpress site
[06:12] <hadleigh> w of a good program to burns dvd to hard drive
[06:13] <hadleigh> does anyone know
[06:13] <Gallomimia> hadleigh: the easiest is dd
[06:13] <Gallomimia> i don't know how to mount the image after
[06:13] <hadleigh> cheers gallmimia
[06:13] <Gallomimia> but you do: dd if=/dev/mycdrom of=/a/path/to/a/file.img
[06:14] <larsss> Kolusion: trial and error i guess :-P i don't know for sure
[06:14] <Gallomimia> you'll need to know the proper name of the device (probably partition) and set where you want it to go
[06:14] <Kolusion> larsss: Thats all good. Thanks anyway.
[06:14] <hateball> Gallomimia: then you can mount with "mount -o loop /path/to/iso.img /path/to/mount"
[06:14] <Gallomimia> great thanks
[06:15] <open_coder> o
[06:15] <hateball> I think perhaps Nautilus has a rightclick option for this as well
[06:15] <Gallomimia> i gotta write that down
[06:15] <Kolusion> larsss: When I enable this firewall with a VPN connection established I can't view websites anymore. What could be causing this? This is my firewall status 'Status: active  To                         Action      From --                         ------      ---- Anywhere on ppp0           ALLOW       Anywhere                   Anywhere (v6) on ppp0      ALLOW       Anywhere (v6)'.
[06:16] <Gallomimia> Kolusion: i bet it's dns. test with some host lookups
[06:16] <Kolusion> larsss: The adapter 'ppp0' is my VPN adapter.
[06:16] <Kolusion> Gallomimia: How could this be because the DNS lookups are made through the DNS (I would think?)?
[06:16] <Gallomimia> i tried mucking with a VPN on a system. i wanted it to only use the vpn for torrents, but it would do everything. and the dns stopped working
[06:17] <larsss> Kolusion: ppp0 is the point to point protocol
[06:17] <larsss> Kolusion: is ubuntu your host or in a vm?
[06:17] <Kolusion> I MEAN made through the VPN
[06:17] <Gallomimia> DNS goes thru a vpn too
[06:17] <Gallomimia> and if your dns is set to your ISP's, your isp might not allow connections from outside its network
[06:17] <Gallomimia> this causes your lookup to hang, and timeout
[06:18] <de-facto> how about running a loval unbound or such? you also can enable dnssec then i guess
[06:18] <Kolusion> larsss: I matched the IP addresses of the adapters listed by 'ifconfig' and matched the IP address of the VPN in Network Manager Connection information. That's what I used that adapter in my firewall settings to allow it. Did I do it wrong?
[06:18] <Kolusion> larsss: What does a host or vm mean?
[06:19] <Gallomimia> guess he's not using that
[06:19] <Kolusion> I installed it directly onto my hard drive if thats what you mean, not in like VMWare in Windows.
[06:20] <Kolusion> Gallomimia: You might be right about the DNS because when I enable the firewall, this chat still works.
[06:21] <Kolusion> I am going to go away and do some trial and erroring. Before I do, could someone please tell me how to clear an entry made in the firewall ufw?
[06:21] <netameta> This is crazy i keep deleting stuff but the available space wont go a wya
[06:22] <netameta> if its saved for root, how comes it got filled up in first place
[06:22] <Kolusion> Ok I am going away and trying it. I am wasting too much time on computers.
[06:23] <Kolusion> Thanks guys I will be back another time.
[06:23] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: the data in a file doesn't get cleared until 1) all hard links to the data are deleted, and 2) any processes with an open filehandle on the file close the fh or exit
[06:23] <larsss> Kolusion: sudo ufw reset goes back to default settings
[06:23] <Kolusion> Thanks larsss. This command will save my life :P
[06:23] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: it's quite different to windows where you can't delete a file that's in use, and I think it's only recently supported hard links properly
[06:23] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: "lsof" may help you find processes with open handles on things you want to clear
[06:24] <somsip> netameta: what stuff are you deleting?
[06:25] <netameta> somsip, log files and stuff i dont use
[06:25] <netameta> Triffid_Hunter, will reboot help ?
[06:25] <Akrizalp> do you speak indonesian?
[06:25] <somsip> netameta: details would help understand why you are seeing no difference in free space
[06:26] <netameta> somsip, /var/log was 40mb
[06:26] <somsip> netameta: that'
[06:26] <netameta> some files in /var/www/myProjects
[06:26] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: well that's a somewhat extreme way to close processes with open filehandles on your files of interest; if that's what's preventing the space being cleared then yes it'll help but so would closing the process, or possibly simply HUPing it in the case of daemons writing logs
[06:26] <somsip> netameta: that's not really very big
[06:26] <netameta> thats was around 1 giga
[06:26] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: logs? oh yeah, daemons keep an open FH on their log, usually they'll reopen if you HUP which is what logrotate does
[06:27] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: one of the interesting abilities of this aspect of the linux FS is that you can rename files that a program is using and nothing bad happens until/unless the program tries to re-open the file under the same name
[06:28] <netameta> I see
[06:29] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: best solution for keeping /var/log under control is installing logrotate (or similar, there's a few I think) and ensuring that it's set up properly.. most popular daemons come with logrotate profiles I think, perhaps logrotate itself comes with them
[06:30] <netameta> does /tmp usually hold important stuff ?
[06:30] <netameta> Its taking 600mb
[06:30] <netameta> Ahh
[06:30] <netameta> crazy
[06:31] <Triffid_Hunter> netameta: no, but expect weirdness if you delete stuff in there while your system is running normally. I often mount a tmpfs over that if I have spare ram.. mine's 200k
[06:33] <netameta> Found out what took all the space
[06:33] <hateball> netameta: if you run a webserver/service it's not that unusual with large /tmp usage
[06:33] <netameta> after i deleted the 500mb now i have some available space
[06:34] <netameta> hateball, It was node.js temp files
[06:35] <netameta> Which also solved my cookies/session problem
[06:35] <netameta> awesome !
[06:36] <netameta> Thanks for help folks
[06:41] <mon_> lol
[06:41] <Guest26237> hi
[06:42] <Guest26237> i need help anybody help me ?
[06:43] <Guest26237> ?
[06:43] <somsip> !ask | Guest26237
[06:43] <Guest26237> how to install conky ?
[06:43] <dick_> I cannot get my Broadcom wireless card to work in tails. I was successful installing the STA with the Ubuntu live, no such luck in tails..
[06:44] <Guest26237> apt-get install conky-all i try this command but not working
[06:45] <mjayk> Guest26237: how does it not work / what is the error
[06:46] <dick_> sudo update complete but "install bcmwlit does not show me wireless networks or provide me a wireless option. as if it doesnt exist at all. hooked up by ethernet
[06:46] <Kolusion> larsss: I had a look in System Log and found this entry in 'syslog': [UFW BLOCK] IN= OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.1.1.11 DST=209.222.18.222 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=21604 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=51570 DPT=53 LEN=40
[06:47] <dick_> I have checked for software block, not the issue
[06:47] <dick_> jesus this is so hard to read
[06:47] <Kolusion> larsss: I don't know why this has happened when I have allowed everything through on ppp0, which is what that SRC address is from. Do you know why this is happening?
[06:48] <dick_> ive also come acroos entering a restricted repository, but it tell mecommand unknown
[06:48] <dick_> omg i cant read this shit this is stupid
[06:49] <Kolusion> larsss: The IP address 'DST' is refering to is indeed my VPN's DNS server, which explains why I can't view websites.
[06:49] <larsss> Kolusion: can you post the output of ifconfig on https://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:51] <Kolusion> larsss: Sure. https://paste.ubuntu.com/17683346/
[06:52] <larsss> Kolusion: so from before, Private Internet Access is your VPN provider and you're using network-manager to connect?
[06:53] <Kolusion> larsss: Yes, and the IP address for 'inet addr' for the adapter 'ppp0' from the output of 'ifconfig' matches the IP address which is listed for my VPN in 'Connection information' in the network icon in the top right hand corner of Ubuntu.
[06:54] <Kolusion> larsss: That's why I used the ufw command: sudo ufw allow in on ppp0 from any to any
[06:55] <Kolusion> larsss: But System Log is telling me ufw is blocking it.
[06:55] <dota> I've installed ubuntu 16.04 in Dell inspiron 7557, found no usb device working? Need your help.
[06:56] <larsss> Kolusion: why don't you use the client they provide here > https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/downloads
[06:57] <Kolusion> larsss: Its closed source, so I don't trust it.
[06:57] <Kolusion> larsss: I feel better that it being setup on the operating system level as well, without depending on a third party application.
[06:58] <larsss> Kolusion: fair enough but do you trust they don't log?
[06:59] <Kolusion> larsss: hah! good point. ;)
[06:59] <larsss> Kolusion: https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-no-logging-claims-tested-in-fbi-case-160312
[07:00] <larsss> Kolusion: before connecting to a PIA VPN through their client on 14.04 i make sure my firewall is enabled with my custom rules i created as follows: sudo ufw default deny outgoing, sudo ufw default deny incoming, sudo ufw allow out on tun0, sudo ufw allow out 1194/udp. this will... block all traffic in and out on every single port and only allow traffic out on the VPN interface using a specific port and protocol. if you get disconnected from the vpn server,
[07:00] <larsss> all traffic is blocked because of the aforementioned default deny outgoing. flawless dns leak protection
[07:00] <larsss> Kolusion: the single packet sent to the vpn server to initiate the vpn connection is established on openvpn port 1194 (not DNS-Port53) but if you cannot get connected how i can, you will need to disable your firewall, connect to the vpn server then enable your firewall
[07:04] <Kolusion> larsss: I have a similar setup (or am trying to). I am using: 'sudo ufw default deny outgoing'; 'sudo ufw default deny incoming'; 'sudo ufw allow in on ppp0 from any to any'. This would required me to disable the firewall, connect to my VPN and then enable my firewall. Upon disconnection, the firewall will block all traffic. But the problem is my firewall is blocking my...
[07:05] <Kolusion> larsss: adapter, despite me telling it not to regarding 'ppp0': '[UFW BLOCK] IN= OUT=ppp0 SRC=10.1.1.11 DST=209.222.18.222 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=21604 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=51570 DPT=53 LEN=40'
[07:06] <Kolusion> larsss: 'ppp0' uses the IP address '10.1.1.11', yet it is blocking it when I have told it to allow it. This is the problem I now need to sort out.
[07:07] <Kolusion> larsss: So, I am now trying to figure out why ufw is block the adapter 'ppp0' when I instructed it not to, using this command: sudo ufw allow in on ppp0 from any to any
[07:08] <larsss> Kolusion: allow it OUT
[07:10] <Kolusion> larsss: OH! I think you are fuckin awesome. I am going to try it out now! BRB :)
[07:12] <Kolusion> larsss: Do you know how can I remove the instruction 'sudo ufw allow in on ppp0 from any to any' with resetting all the settings (for my future reference)?
[07:12] <Kolusion> larsss: *without
[07:13] <craptalk> i installed lubuntu and i got flickering screen, anyone can help me out?
[07:13] <larsss> Kolusion: just use sudo ufw delete allow in on ppp0 from any to any
[07:14] <craptalk> i installed lubuntu and i got flickering screen, anyone can help me out?
[07:14] <Kolusion> larsss: Thanks larsss. I am going to apply your corrected command out now and test my setup.
[07:14] <larsss> Kolusion: hope it works
[07:14] <bazhang> !patience | craptalk
[07:28] <vincenet> Hello, I am looking for some help : command "python3 --version" works but not "python3" as if not exist. I checked and I have symbolic link "python3 -> python3.4" in /usr/bin I use Ubuntu 14.04.4LTS
[07:39] <Kolusion> larsss: Thanks for your help mate! You solved my problem. If you want a favour from me, ask. :)
[07:39] <Kolusion> Windows 10 Home can fuck off!
[07:40] <larsss> lol
[07:41] <Kolusion> test fuck test
[07:41] <akik> !language
[07:41] <somsip> Kolusion: enough with the swearing
[07:41] <larsss> Kolusion: booted for swearing
[07:42] <bazhang> Kolusion, stop the cursing here
[07:42] <Kolusion> I see.
[07:42] <larsss> Kolusion: ☺
[07:42] <Kolusion> Ok, I am sorry for hurting anyones feelings and causing anxiety.
[07:42] <ikonia> !guidelines | Kolusion
[07:42] <ikonia> Kolusion: please read those guidelines about using the channel before talking any more
[07:44] <geno> join ubuntu
[07:44] <ikonia> geno: you're already in it
[07:44] <geno> hoops ..
[07:44] <geno> hello :)
[07:45] <geno> i'm new to ubuntu, I just installed it on my old laptop .. I'm trying to figure out how to enable the wifi
[07:46] <geno> .. my laptop is an Acer Aspire 5050, those are genertic info about it: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1fcbfc4364c104fc1f436570a4ff1d53
[07:46] <ikonia> geno: the first thing is, is your wifi card supported
[07:49] <geno> ikonia, I think so those are other info, my /etc/network/interfaces looks like https://gist.github.com/a4bf6b77934e75b3ebce2f4df3ee48e3
[07:50] <ikonia> geno: you shouldn't be using the interface file
[07:50] <ikonia> geno: network manager in the top right hand corner of your desktop will be used to configure your network cards
[07:50] <geno> while this is the output of 'ifconfig -a' : https://gist.github.com/4010cb88ef888c2c68fdc11cd393ca7f
[07:51] <geno> ikonia , i tried the network manager but there is no wifi listed there
[07:51] <ikonia> geno: so that goes back to is your card supported
[07:51] <ikonia> as if it can't see it as a device, it's not supported and it's either a.) going to need additional configuration to make it available b.) not supported and never will be supported
[07:52] <geno> this laptop has a hardware switch (to set the wifi on off) when i switch it on/off i csn see in the network manager something changes
[07:52] <geno> like a airplain icon appear
[07:53] <geno> i guess when it is turned off
[07:53] <ikonia> geno: yes, because you are using the kill switch
[07:53] <geno> ikonia, does this means .. the card is supported?
[07:53] <ikonia> no
[07:53] <ikonia> this means you've flicked the kill switch
[07:54] <geno> oh .. I see,  what should I try to see if it is supported or not?
[07:54] <ikonia> geno: research the chipset on the card to check it's linux support
[07:55] <vbotka> geno, you might want to check the killswitch status from the command line with "sudo rfkill list all"
[07:55] <DANtheBEASTman> hi, so, i seem to have broken some things installing openjdk-9.. i uninstalled it, and installed default-{jdk,jre}{,-headless}, but now i have no java command. `sudo update-alternatives --config java` tells me "There is only one alternative in link group java (providing /usr/bin/java): /usr/lib/jvm/java-9-openjdk-amd64/bin/java" but that file doesn't exist anymore, it's now version 8 that's available
[07:56] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: where did you get that version from
[07:56] <DANtheBEASTman> repos
[07:56] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: certainly not the ubuntu repos it would sem
[07:56] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: really, the official ubuntu repos ?
[07:56] <DANtheBEASTman> yes.
[07:56] <ikonia> !info openjdk
[07:57] <somsip> !info openjdk-default
[07:57] <somsip> or maybe not...
[07:57] <DANtheBEASTman> !link openjdk-9-jre
[07:57] <DANtheBEASTman> !info openjdk-9-jre
[07:57] <ikonia> universe, interesting
[07:58] <DANtheBEASTman> i wish i'd known beforehand that 9 wasn't stable..
[07:58] <DANtheBEASTman> serves me right for not digging a bit first
[07:58] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk9/
[07:59] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: do you have openjdk 8 installed now
[07:59] <DANtheBEASTman> yep
[07:59] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: where is the binary for it
[07:59] <DANtheBEASTman> /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/bin/java
[08:00] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: try first update-java-alternatives
[08:00] <ikonia> then check update-alternatives
[08:00] <ikonia> the install hooks may not have fired
[08:02] <DANtheBEASTman> hmmm not quite sure how to use the former..
[08:02] <mihael_k33hl> I'm trying to install urxvt-unicode version 9.21 on an Ubuntu 14.04, how do I install a package I downloaded .debian.tar.xz, it doesn't have any configure file
[08:02] <DANtheBEASTman> oh. but i hava a `java` command again
[08:03] <somsip> !info urxvt-unicode trusty
[08:03] <ikonia> DANtheBEASTman: see if the alternative list is updated now
[08:03] <somsip> !info rxvt-unicode trusty
[08:03] <django> JOIN
[08:03] <somsip> mihael_k33hl: do you *need* 9.21 or will 9.19 suffice? In the repos under a slightly different name
[08:03] <mihael_k33hl> yeah, but I want to install 9.21 not 9.19
[08:03] <mihael_k33hl> somsip, I need 9.21, a lot of changes in 9.21
[08:04] <DANtheBEASTman> it's a shame backporting packages isn't as easy on ubuntu as it is debian
[08:05] <DANtheBEASTman> personally i'd just as soon upgrade the whole distro than deal with trying to backport
[08:05] <mihael_k33hl> I am currently using Ubuntu 14.04 on my workstation and I'm trying to configure urxvt for my laptop which I'm planning to install 16.04. Hence, I'm preparing all configuration file so I need 9.21 since 16.04 uses 9.21
[08:05] <DANtheBEASTman> a lot of good changes in 16.04 ;)
[08:06] <DANtheBEASTman> mihael_k33hl :: wait i'm confused, why bother with all that if you're planning to upgrade?
[08:07] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, I'm using two systems
[08:08] <DANtheBEASTman> sure, i have a few boxes around running different distros. just upgraded my gfs laptop from 14.04 to 16.04 last week
[08:08] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, yeah I should just update both of them, is there a way to update from 14.04 to 16.04 directly without the hassle of incremental updates from 14.04 to 14.10, 14.10 to 15.04?
[08:08] <DANtheBEASTman> personally i just grab the 16.04 iso and do a fresh install
[08:09] <ducasse> !ltsupgrade | mihael_k33hl
[08:09] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, can't do that on my workstation a tons of files I haven't organized lol
[08:09] <DANtheBEASTman> you don't have a separate /home partition?
[08:09] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, nope just a monolithic / partition
[08:10] <DANtheBEASTman> ouch
[08:10] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, didn't really bother with having separate partitions, didn't care back then I deemed it necessary, now I'm regretting it
[08:10] <mihael_k33hl> lol
[08:10] <mihael_k33hl> unncessary*
[08:10] <Triffid_Hunter> I have a mono / too, I've tried multiple partition layout so many times and always end up having the massive hassle of reassigning space, usually with a forest of symlinks
[08:11] <DANtheBEASTman> lvm is handy here
[08:11] <Triffid_Hunter> maybe next time I install I can use btrfs and quotas or something like that
[08:11] <mihael_k33hl> ducasse, So I need to wait until July 21st lol
[08:11] <mihael_k33hl> anyone using a wm instead of a full blown desktop environment?
[08:11] <Triffid_Hunter> DANtheBEASTman: LVM is all well and good, been down that road, still a pita to move space since filesystems need to be resized and suchforth
[08:12] <ducasse> mihael_k33hl: well, you _can_ do it now, it's just not a supported upgrade path until then aiui.
[08:12] <DANtheBEASTman> mihael_k33hl :: i use awesomewm instead of a de
[08:12] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, that's what I'm planning to use too. That's why I'm configuring rxvt-unicode-256color
[08:13] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, and familiarizing myself with vim and tmux hehe
[08:13] <DANtheBEASTman> what features are you missing from 9.19 that aren't in 9.21 ?
[08:13] <DANtheBEASTman> can't say i noticed any differences in the different versions
[08:13] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, 9.20 supports copy/paste by default, and 9.21 uses a new matchers that makes url-select deprecated
[08:14] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, mind sharing with me your urxvc config file? :D
[08:14] <DANtheBEASTman> ah. personally i use tmux exclusively, and use copy-mode in tmux
[08:14] <DANtheBEASTman> i have no config for urxvt, just some colors in Xresources
[08:14] <DANtheBEASTman> actually i lie, i have a neat font-resize script
[08:15] <DANtheBEASTman> https://github.com/danielfgray/dotfiles/blob/master/Xresources https://github.com/majutsushi/urxvt-font-size
[08:15] <DANtheBEASTman> but if you're going for tmux i'd recommend just using that over anything urxvt has
[08:16] <DANtheBEASTman> *especially* the tabs script for urxvtt
[08:16] <DANtheBEASTman> tmux is superior in that regard, imo
[08:16] <ikonia> I don't understand your process
[08:17] <ikonia> 1.) upgrade
[08:17] <ikonia> 2.) install the version for that distro
[08:17] <ikonia> 3.) configure it
[08:17] <ikonia> trying to install the wrong version on 14.04 so you can pre-configure for the 16.04 upgrade just seem not thought through
[08:17] <DANtheBEASTman> can't help but agree ^
[08:19] <moveax> why ubuntu may not use swap at all?
[08:19] <ikonia> moveax: it uses it if it needs it
[08:20] <moveax> ikonia: it always 0, is it ok?
[08:20] <DANtheBEASTman> iiuc, swap is usually there for when you're low on RAM
[08:20] <ikonia> moveax: if it doesn't need it - it won't use it
[08:20] <moveax> oh, got it, thx
[08:20] <DANtheBEASTman> these days with GBs of unused ram it's rarely necessary
[08:22] <Triffid_Hunter> moveax: windows is the only OS I know that can't handle having no swap even if there's ample ram
[08:23] <mihael_k33hl> ikonia, basically, I have a workstation(desktop) and a laptop. On my workstation I have Ubuntu 14.04 installed, and I'm currently using it to configure awesome wm, urxvt, vim, tmux. Once that is done, I will then install Ubuntu 16.04(minimal) on my laptop. Hence, I'm trying to have application to have the same version on my workstation
[08:23] <ikonia> Triffid_Hunter: windows handles no swap just fine
[08:23] <ikonia> mihael_k33hl: upgrade them both to run the same version
[08:23] <DANtheBEASTman> mihael_k33hl :: but why are you "pre-configuring" before updating
[08:23] <ikonia> mihael_k33hl: keep it simple
[08:23] <de-facto> DANtheBEASTman i would not say that, RAM is very expensive still compared to hdd space
[08:24] <mihael_k33hl> ikonia, I didn't want to go through that hassle initially, I thought installing version 9.21 would be a piece of cake
[08:24] <ikonia> mihael_k33hl: didn't really do your research then
[08:24] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, oh I'm not planning to update the Ubuntu version on my workstation
[08:24] <ikonia> mihael_k33hl: which means even more you should keep it simple and upgrade them both
[08:24] <mihael_k33hl> ikonia, i guess you can say that
[08:24] <DANtheBEASTman> de-facto :: oh i'm not saying ram is inexpensive, just that it's not uncommon these days to see GBs of unused ram
[08:25] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, so you're using urxvt 9.21 right?
[08:25] <DANtheBEASTman> mihael_k33hl :: honestly i think trying to upgrade to 9.21 will cause you much more pain than it's worth
[08:25] <DANtheBEASTman> mihael_k33hl :: on 16.04 yes
[08:25] <mihael_k33hl> DANtheBEASTman, yeah I can see in your config file, you're using matcher and no perl-ext for copy/paste
[08:26] <de-facto> DANtheBEASTman especially if you rent servers from a provider say a VPS or such, they just give you a few GB of ram and lots of HDD storage space. then swap really makes sense (as long as IO-wait does not go too high)
[08:26] <mihael_k33hl> I'll go ahead and update my workstation then
[08:27] <DANtheBEASTman> de-facto :: quite true
[08:29] <moveax> does anybody know any battery indicators for openbox?
[08:29] <moveax> and tint2 taskbar
[08:43] <DANtheBEASTman> movic :: i use xfce4-power-manager
[08:44] <DANtheBEASTman> oops wrong highlight
[08:44] <DANtheBEASTman> moveax seems to be parted.. shame when people do that
[08:44] <someboy> Hi
[08:44] <someboy> I want to change the default window manager in my latest ubuntu install
[08:44] <someboy> I want to use the awesome wm
[08:44] <someboy> can anyone please tell me how to get the latest awesome wm
[08:44] <someboy> and install it so on boot I see the awesome
[08:45] <someboy> and not gnome
[08:50] <YankDownUnder> someboy, "update-alternatives" => try that...if it's not showing up in your "light-dm" session manager...
[08:52] <someboy> YankDownUnder: I am not sure I understand
[08:52] <someboy> what do you mean by update-alternatives?
[08:53] <somsip> someboy: install awesomewm, then choose "awesome" instead of Unity when you login
[08:53] <YankDownUnder> someboy, https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/alternative
[08:53] <somsip> !info awesomewm | someboy
[08:54] <someboy> somsip: okay got it
[08:54] <somsip> !info awesome
[08:59] <Venko> OK so my grandma decided to go with the XPS 13 Developer Edition laptop in the end!
[09:00] <blut> where can i find the busybox configuration of the 16.04 netboot image?
[09:04] <jatt> your grandma is a developer?
[09:07] <adenizgelir> hi
[09:07] <adenizgelir> what is the best irc client guys
[09:08] <blut> !info busybox
[09:08] <blut> !info busybox-dev
[09:08] <blut> !info busybox-devel
[09:08] <VikingHoarder> adenizgelir, i like hexchat
[09:09] <adenizgelir> i am using hexchat too but i just want to know what other people thinks
[09:10] <adenizgelir> who are using ubuntu
[09:10] <somsip> adenizgelir: ask the question belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic as this is the support channel, thanks
[09:11] <adenizgelir> sorry somsip
[09:25] <craptalk> :-D anyone here?
[09:26] <somsip> !ask | craptalk
[09:34] <open_coder> h
[09:35] <somsip> open_coder: are you shy or just a very slow typer?
[09:36] <blut> where can i find the busybox configuration of the 16.04 netboot image?
[09:36] <blut> or maybe, where would be the right place to ask this question?
[09:38] <ph88> during the install of 16.04 i had an option to encrypt the entire disk ... not just the home folder ... how can i undo this and how can i change this password ?
[09:38] <sxpert> ph88: you can have up to 8 passphrases
[09:39] <sxpert> also you can decrypt the disk
[09:39] <sxpert> but it's bad practise to do so
[09:39] <ph88> i see
[09:39] <sxpert> full disk encryption is a good thing (tm)
[09:39] <ph88> just need home folder encryption
[09:40] <sxpert> ph88: what you have now covers that use ;-)
[09:43] <nevstah> hi, which is the best channel for help using boot-repair?
[09:44] <EriC^^> nevstah: what's the problem?
[09:46] <nevstah> EriC^^: it generally does what it should, but i've encrypted thr root partition and my passphrase isnt accepted, i think this is because support for twofish isnt installed in grub
[09:47] <nevstah> EriC^^: i've checked the partition is still viable, because i can decrypt using liveCD
[09:49] <Ubuntivity> Hello. Is it ILLEGAL to ship MP3 support within the main ISO of a distro?
[09:52] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: yes, in some countries.
[09:53] <xfff> exit
[09:54] <Ubuntivity> k1l_: which countries in general?
[09:54] <Ubuntivity> k1l_: and does it matter if I ship my own distro with MP3 support if my country allows it?
[09:57] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: well, you need to make sure its only shipped to your country. there is a reason why big distros dont ship that included but load it afterwards
[09:58] <Ubuntivity> k1l_: doesn't Linux Mint ships that to everywhere in the world??
[09:58] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: yes, i dont know why they are not suit for that so far.
[09:59] <samgoody> How does diff compare files?
[09:59] <Ubuntivity> k1l_: I want to ship it online, but it is country-specific distro
[09:59] <samgoody> Does it just compare names? Does it hash with MD%?
[09:59] <samgoody> I went through the man page, don't see anything that helps
[09:59] <Triffid_Hunter> samgoody: line by line, it's designed for ascii text files
[10:00] <samgoody> I have two directories that I want to merge. It should prompt before overwriting anything, but otherwise merge the files recursively.
[10:00] <samgoody> Figured I should first diff them, but now realize I can actually ask if you can suggest a tool for the job I need
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> samgoody: git?
[10:01] <samgoody> That's an idea.
[10:03] <samgoody> Ah, but there is 42 GB of binary files between the directories I want to merge
[10:04] <samgoody> Just tried git add . and then realized why the computer started hanging :(
[10:04] <tlw> 3
[10:04] <tlw> 123
[10:10] <synju> guys I need help - for some reason my ubuntu is seeing my bluetooth earphones as a keyboard and therefore no sound is coming from it... what can I do to resolve this issue?
[10:11] <Ubuntivity> synju: try to convince your ubuntu it is not a keyboard
[10:11] <synju> :'(
[10:12] <hateball> synju: if you know the model of the earphones it'll be easier to google
[10:12] <synju> nope - unfortunately not.
[10:12] <mcphail> synju: there is a bug for that somewhere (for ubuntu touch, at least). I think popey filed it. Perhaps he can point you to it?
[10:13] <synju> ok so I went to sound settings and it see's it as an output device but now the audio is only mono and therefore only coming out my right earpiece
[10:14] <popey> mcphail: not mine
[10:14] <mcphail> popey: ok, sorry
[10:14] <synju> :)
[10:14] <synju> ok - brb - smoke.
[10:21] <upp> after update ubuntu 16.04 i can't access my system any more, i can boot with usb and try to mount the old system, but then i get the unlocked device does not have a recognizable file system on it
[10:24] <YankDownUnder> upp, You should be able to use the liveUSB to boot, mount and check the drive...have you done that yet?
[10:25] <HallerL> hi, what's the easiest way to install xubuntu on an usb stick in an encrypted lvm volume? (i think grub2 is capable to boot an encrypted boot partion too but i m fine if it's easer not have an encrypted boot partion )
[10:25] <upp> YankDownUnder: yes i've booted into a new system
[10:25] <davesidious> Has anyone seen Ubuntu 16.04 detect one screen as two screens?  I'm getting two 'Samsung X"' boxes on the same display
[10:26] <upp> and i can see the old hard drive with fdisk -l and disk utility
[10:26] <davesidious> and it seems to think a 24" display is a 7" display.
[10:26] <YankDownUnder> upp, So then you've done and fsck on that file system...?
[10:26] <upp> YankDownUnder: fsck on that file system??
[10:27] <upp> YankDownUnder:i can't boot access this hard drive any more
[10:27] <YankDownUnder> upp, Have you run "fsck" on the disk partition you're having problems with?
[10:27] <mcphail> synju: I can't find that bug, but I'm sure it exists. Headsets with volume controls get recognised as keyboards
[10:27] <upp> YankDownUnder: never heard about fsck
[10:28] <upp> YankDownUnder: did you understand my Problem?
[10:28] <YankDownUnder> upp, https://www.maketecheasier.com/check-repair-filesystem-fsck-linux/
[10:29] <andi__> Hey guys!
[10:30] <upp> YankDownUnder: it's a crypted filesystem
[10:31] <YankDownUnder> upp, "encrypted" - and it's safe to assume you've got the "key" to unlock it, yes?
[10:31] <upp> YankDownUnder: yes trust me, the key is right
[10:31] <samgoody> I want to remove recursively all files in directoryA/ that already exist in directoryB/
[10:31] <upp> i use this ubuntu since a long time, and it's not a key Problem
[10:32] <YankDownUnder> upp, So, from the liveUSB, you should be able to mount the encrypted volume - or run "fsck" on that partition...
[10:33] <upp> YankDownUnder: the unlocked device does not have a recognizable file system on it
[10:33] <upp> YankDownUnder: that's error that i get
[10:33] <YankDownUnder> upp, http://askubuntu.com/questions/279493/how-to-check-an-encrypted-disk-for-errors
[10:33] <samgoody> So how would I remove the common files?
[10:34] <upp> YankDownUnder:Error unlocking /dev/sdb3: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Error.Failed: Device /dev/sdb3 is already unlocked as /dev/dm-0
[10:35] <YankDownUnder> upp, If I was you, I would reboot - using the liveUSB/CD, and start again...and also read up - especially on that last link I gave you...
[10:35] <xds> any good facebook desktop app/client for Linux?
[10:35] <ikonia> firefox
[10:35] <xds> :<
[10:36] <upp> YankDownUnder: i've read a lot, after this update everything goes wrong
[10:41] <HallerL> xds: emacs
[10:41] <xds> lol
[10:42] <HallerL> xds: there are really some nice emacs packages for fb
[10:43] <daumie> I know if many online sources ....i would like a suggestion and a method of which one has used to better understand the terminal commands
[10:43] <xds> okay but I was thinking of an X client
[10:44] <hateball> !manual | daumie
[10:45] <HallerL> emacas os not a pure command line tool -- nowadays, it has a fully featured gui
[10:45] <daumie> hateball: thanks.... I'll try user it
[10:46] <xds> hmm okay
[10:48] <samgoody> I have two directories, A/ and B/. I want to remove all files in A/ that are duplicates of files in B/
[10:48] <samgoody> I tried fdupes and fslint
[10:49] <samgoody> Neither lets me specify which of the files should be deleted.
[10:49] <samgoody> And I need that only the files in A should be deleted, not the files in B/
[10:49] <Ben64> samgoody: rdfind
[10:53] <nixfox> any reason why the ubuntu installation would stay at busy cursor for over 10min when clicking continue on preparing to install ubuntu?
[10:58] <samgoody> installed and ran rdfind
[10:58] <samgoody> it claims to have delteded 300mb of data
[10:59] <samgoody> but git claims that nothing was deleted
[11:00] <samgoody> and besides, I can see that the duplicated data is still in both directories. Does it delete dup data, or just make a script or smething?
[11:01] <YankDownUnder> samgoody, "man rdfind" will tell you what the util does
[11:02] <nixfox> any reason why the ubuntu installation would stay at busy cursor for over 10min when clicking continue on preparing to install ubuntu?
[11:03] <notadeveloper> hmm sam goody huh
[11:04] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, Could be heaps of reasons.  Best option is always to start everything from a "cold boot" - meaning, the machine turned off, then booted to the liveUSB/CD/DVD, then after getting to the desktop, initiating the installation...just "to be sure, to be sure" as it were...
[11:04] <samgoody> I RTFM'd, but was in a different dir than I though I was
[11:04] <samgoody> sorry, nm with my non-relevant question
[11:04] <satyanash> Hi, does rsync have an output control flag to only print the total transfer summary without individual file names? The -q option supresses all non-error output, which is something I don't want.
[11:05] <Goeland86> question: my CPU's heating up more than I expected, and looking into it, I see I'm missing the ondemand cpufreq governor... Did I miss something in kernel updates that disables it, or what? Running 16.04
[11:05] <nixfox> YankDownUnder, I did jsut that
[11:05] <nixfox> booted from usb
[11:05] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, Just a quick question - at what point is it hanging in the installation - right at the beginning? At choosing languages? Partitioning?
[11:07] <House> satyanash :  what rsync options are you using?  a simple `rsync -a --stats from/ to/` gives no file listing
[11:08] <nixfox> after the part where you can pick download updated while installing and install 3rd party software
[11:08] <nixfox> YankDownUnder, I think if I remember correcly that's before partitioning
[11:08] <nixfox> I'm using Arch on my home PC, trying to install ubuntu on my work pc
[11:08] <nixfox> but it does not want to collab with me ;)
[11:09] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, Not sure I understand where you're going with all of that - but, back to the installation - have you tried doing the install without doing the "download updates and free pizzas and 3d party software" to see if that got any further?
[11:10] <nixfox> I was going to say the difference between the machines is, one is UEFI the other not
[11:10] <satyanash> House: thnx
[11:10] <nixfox> I have not ticked any of those options
[11:11] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, And it's safe to assume that the disk you're installing to (whatever) has been checked for errors or isn't a Windows 10 partition/drive?
[11:11] <nixfox> yes
[11:11] <nixfox> Also just now I got a pop-up saying that the installation wants to force uefi mode but the previous OS was installed in legacy mode
[11:11] <nixfox> Forcing uefi can lead to not being able to access the other OS
[11:12] <YankDownUnder> Is there another OS on the drive? If so, well, "common sense" should prevail...
[11:12] <nixfox> I would like to dual boot, so I clicked go back
[11:14] <someboy> Hi
[11:14] <someboy> how do I mount an encrypted flash drive with cryptsetup LUKS
[11:14] <someboy> in ubuntu
[11:14] <someboy> which runs awesome wm
[11:14] <House> satyanash leaves without answering.  are we just sitting here providing tech support to dudes doing L1 tech support?
[11:15] <abhishek__> Stuck at this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1588428.
[11:15] <abhishek__> Please help if possible.
[11:15] <altria> shawanyi
[11:15] <nixfox> YankDownUnder, so anyhow why does Ubuntu try to force uefi on a legacy system?
[11:15] <nixfox> and is there a way around it to say always use legacy?
[11:16] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, As far as the reasoning, that I cannot answer...as far as a workaround, well, that would be something to check in the wiki...
[11:17] <hicoleri> Is it posible to get the old ui (before 16.04) back for applications like nautilus, file-roller and gtkfilechooser? The new ones look ugly to be honest.
[11:17] <House> nixfox : https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/installation-guide/amd64/ch03s06.html#UEFI
[11:18] <YankDownUnder> hicoleri, It's merely "themes". Change themes to suit your taste.
[11:18] <Yuri4_> Guys, could you, please help a linux noob? I used thirdparty tool to dockerize my website. Docker container starts at every reboot. How do I edit script that starts that Docker container. The only thing I know is that `sudo systemctl stop docker` stops docker.
[11:18] <YankDownUnder> nixfox, It's late, it's a full moon, I've had enough...good luck bro
[11:18] <ikonia> Yuri4_: you need to enable the docker service with systemctl enable $service
[11:19] <House> im more familiar with rhel, but it's not the installer picking the boot/bios mode. according to that link, there may be a situation where "default boot mode for removable devices can be different from what is actually used when booting from hard disk"
[11:19] <Yuri4_> ikonia, yes, but how do I edit start up scrit?
[11:19] <hicoleri> YankDownUnder: Didn't ubuntu revamp application uis and remove titlebars? I'm talking about that.
[11:19] <ikonia> Yuri4_: why do you need to edit the startup script
[11:19] <hicoleri> and all those 'smooth scrolling' effects
[11:20] <Yuri4_> ikonia, I need to move docker from port 80 to port 81
[11:21] <ikonia> Yuri4_: thats in the config file, not the init script
[11:21] <Yuri4_> ikonia, alright how do I know where the config file is located?
[11:22] <ikonia> Yuri4_: depends on your setup
[11:25] <hicoleri> YankDownUnder: like this one http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot2016-06-2216-52-18.php
[11:32] <hicoleri> compared to this one http://hendi.name/wp-content/file-chooser-search-3.png
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:43] <hicoleri> hey
[11:47] <Wobbo> I'm looking for Ubuntu font Hebrew and Arabic. But I can not find it anywhere.
[11:47] <Wobbo> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/hebrew-and-arabic-on-track/
[11:48] <Wobbo> This article comes from 2011...
[11:50] <Wobbo> The current Ubuntu font 16.04 contains no Hebrew and Arabic.
[11:51] <SubMind> hey is there a way to backup an iphone contacts to linux ?
[11:51] <Wobbo> Can anyone help me?
[11:52] <craptalk> Wobbo: with what?
[11:53] <blut> Wobbo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HebrewLocalizationHowto
[11:53] <Wobbo> About the Ubuntu font.
[11:53] <blut> Wobbo: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[11:53] <blut> it says TBA
[11:54] <Wobbo> The do not have the version.
[11:54] <blut> it appears there is no arabic or hebrew yet
[11:55] <Wobbo> There is, 0.84
[11:56] <Wobbo> http://design.canonical.com/2011/01/hebrew-and-arabic-on-track/
[11:57] <Wobbo> that is 5 years ago
[11:58] <blut> I currently don't have an ubuntu system running. Maybe someone else can help you.
[11:58] <blut> Did you search the repositories?
[11:59] <ioria> !info  language-pack-ar
[11:59] <SubMind> !info iphones
[11:59] <k1l_> Wobbo: obviously we cant help you. please ask the team for the ubuntu font what the plans are for that besides "to be announced"
[11:59] <blut> ioria: As I understand it Wobbo is looking specifically for the arabic and hebrew lettering of the ubuntu font
[12:00] <ioria> blut, oh...
[12:01] <Wobbo> Yes,
[12:01] <k1l_> Wobbo: so i suggest filing a bug or asking a question: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-font-family
[12:02] <Goeland86> how can I figure out why after a system update my CPU's frequency isn't going down to its lowest frequency as it should when load is very light?
[12:02] <Wobbo> How do I get contact with ubuntu design (font) team?
[12:02] <Goeland86> In a range from 800MHz to 3.3GHz I get an average of 2.1GHz with a load of less than 0.4
[12:03] <Wobbo> I would like to help them on this project.
[12:03] <asdfggaa> Wobbo, i am listening to you (fontdev at ubuntu)
[12:04] <asdfggaa> just kidding lol
[12:04] <hateball> Wobbo: #ubuntu-design
[12:05] <hateball> Wobbo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[12:05] <soee> !info notify-send
[12:06] <ioria> soee, should be  libnotify4
[12:07] <Wobbo> Although I can't read those languages I do need them... lol
[12:07] <Wobbo> Thanks all
[12:08] <asdfggaa> Wobbo, welcommen
[12:09] <soee> ioria: thanks
[12:09] <ioria> soee, np
[12:11] <tomaz__> Any duplicity user here?
[12:11] <Wobbo> font
[12:11] <Wobbo> Sorry
[12:12] <tomaz__> i created a backup and it ran successfully. then i changed one local file... and added one more line of text in it. And duplicity verify, which suppose to show changes doesn't show anything??
[12:19] <arcanist> many of my ide's and applications get stuck with the last shown output
[12:20] <arcanist> any advice on fixes?
[12:20] <d08z> hi, i am having a very weird problem: everytime i create a shortcut on my desktop, a copy of the icon is created and cannot be moved plus there is no more a "change desktop background" option in the right-click contextual menu (weird, i know)
[12:22] <d08z> any suggestion? tried to reinstall unity and ubuntu-desktop to no avail
[12:26] <SubMind> hey any good tutorial to jailbreak iphone 4 ?
[12:27] <SubMind> found some but I don't know if great
[12:27] <Myrtti> SubMind: you're on the wrong channel for that
[12:27] <SubMind> Myrtti: what is the chan ?
[12:29] <Myrtti> no idea but I know this isn't it, try searching for it? /msg alis help list
[12:45] <boriseto> Is there some sort of panic mode or something in the kernel when it comes to the processor? I'm using some  kind of Intel Pentium processor here and at first it all works great, but after a while the laptop slows down (like being in a powersaving mode)
[12:45] <HallerL> what's the easiest way to install xubuntu on an usb-stick (not he harddrive), inside of an encrypted lvm volume? as far as i know grub2 allows booting from an encrypted boot partion too - does this work with xubuntu, ie to use an encrypted /boot partion with grub?
[12:45] <boriseto> I have indicator-cpufreq and it says that it is in performance mode, but the indicator never goes up (like it does on my other machine)
[12:47] <Shadowbird123> hi, i just installed fresh ubuntu 16.04 lts 64bit, added repository multiverse, installed steam useing terminal, opened stem from terminal and it started updating, till i got this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/17694321/ process is still runing and nothing happening.. shall i ctrl+c to start with?
[12:48] <Dinosaurio> Hi, is there any way to bypass checksum in bash?
[12:48] <Shadowbird123> everyone sleeping in #ubuntu-steam
[12:49] <ioria> Shadowbird123, see if it helps http://askubuntu.com/questions/617358/problem-starting-steam-on-ubuntu-15-04-64-bit
[12:52] <elspru> Is there a way of posting to wordpress.com from a desktop app?
[12:53] <HallerL> elspru: there's a webbblogger mode in emacs
[12:59] <Shadowbird123> ioria: ty, it worked :)
[12:59] <ioria> Shadowbird123, great ! ^_^
[12:59] <ozbrk> hi guys I need atı mobility radeon 7500 drivers for my very old ıbm machine
[12:59] <ozbrk> any help for it ?
[13:00] <ozbrk> ioria: and lubuntu installation succesful
[13:01] <ioria> !yay | ozbrk
[13:01] <OerHeks> ozbrk, on what ubuntu version ?
[13:01] <ozbrk> OerHeks: ummmmmm lubuntu 16.04
[13:01] <OerHeks> oh then you have the radeon/amdgpu driver already
[13:02] <ozbrk> you know the problem is justthe internet now the VSync is not enabled so connecting to youtube is a pain now
[13:04] <ozbrk> sorry guys can you repeate if any answer that you told to me
[13:04] <ozbrk> I accidently close the pidgin
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ozbrk, AMD Catalyst proprietary Linux graphics driver,  http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst131ProprietaryLinuxGraphicsDriverReleaseNotes.aspx
[13:07] <OerHeks> ozbrk, read this before looking for a driver https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#fglrx
[13:12] <Shadowbird123> why is installing skype complicated for 16.04?
[13:12] <hid|ninja> whats your question Shadowbird123?
[13:12] <Shadowbird123> has skype stoped supporting latest ubuntu?
[13:14] <Shadowbird123> hid|ninja: i rememeber it used to be easy like sudo apt-get isntall skype but not anymore. why is that?
[13:14] <hid|ninja> hmmm
[13:14] <hid|ninja> the version is outdated
[13:14] <OerHeks> Shadowbird123, enable universe repo
[13:14] <Shadowbird123> OerHeks: done
[13:15] <OerHeks> and yes, the skype app is old, good luck with that
[13:15] <hid|ninja> the 12.04 version is latest..
[13:15] <blut> is ubuntu snappy already active on 16.04?
[13:15] <OerHeks> blut yes
[13:15] <hid|ninja> thats why one should use open standards
[13:15] <k1l_> Shadowbird123: skype was bought by microsoft. and microsoft has no interesst in supporting linux with new skype versions. and since its closed source there is nothing we can do.
[13:16] <blut> !snappy
[13:16] <Shadowbird123> k1l_: that explains it..
[13:16] <hid|ninja> like webrtc, Shadowbird123
[13:16] <OerHeks> To see a list of all available packages in the store, open a terminal and run the following command: snap find
[13:16] <OerHeks> blut, ^^
[13:16] <hid|ninja> you copy paste a link then you can chat with anyone
[13:17] <hid|ninja> you just need a web browser
[13:17] <blut> OerHeks: thanks. Not currently on ubuntu just yet
[13:17] <Shadowbird123> does microsoft support any of its softwares on linux?
[13:17] <blut> I'm still working on an automated deployment for our users, so they can just install it from the pxe promt
[13:18] <Shadowbird123> or do they just want to make people not use linux
[13:18] <OerHeks> Shadowbird123, more a question for microsoft
[13:18] <Shadowbird123> OerHeks: indeed
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Shadowbird123, I thought googletalk was already replacing skype usage anyway
[13:20] <Shadowbird123> BluesKaj: oh, i have seen some of my friends moving to googletalk, but didnt know its getting wide popularity
[13:22] <rantic_> what do you mean getting?
[13:22] <rantic_> Google Talk is absolutely massive and has been for yerad
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Shadowbird123, it's much simpler to use than installing an app like skype ...MS is trying to keep it alive by default installation on it's windows OSs
[13:23] <OerHeks> skype, minecraft, linkdln ..
[13:23] <Shadowbird123> BluesKaj: well.. i dont want to deal with any microsoft softwares anyways, since realize of win10 and all of its privacy issues
[13:24] <Shadowbird123> im happy that steam is now for linux, so i desided to purge windows from my computer :)
[13:24]  * rantic_ enjoys uneducated users believing the telemetry, tracking and privacy infringement started in Windows 10 or ends with Linux
[13:24] <Shadowbird123> its nice to be back with ubuntu <3
[13:25] <Shadowbird123> thanks to steam, i have no reason to stick with windowns anymore
[13:25] <BluesKaj> MS has made a wrong turn tyring to impose W10 on it's windows users
[13:25] <Ben64> the majority still don't care enough to do anything about it
[13:26] <rantic_> BluesKaj: They supported people on an operating system since 2009 and are attempting to reach convergence
[13:26] <rantic_> BluesKaj: Nobody complains when the Ubuntu LTS releases fall out of support or when Apple forces users to upgrade
[13:27] <Shadowbird123> Ben64: this is good time and opportunity to start introducing linux, like ubuntu to people. already installed it to my fathers computer
[13:28] <Shadowbird123> and spread the word about evilness of MS and current win10
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Ben64, weel , my circle of friends are mostly diehard windows users and alot of them have gone back to W7 , they can't stand the silliy W8/W10 desktop and all it's bloatware
[13:28] <OerHeks> Shadowbird123, bla bla, this is ubuntu-support, not the ms-rant-channel
[13:29] <JadenTerra> I've installed it to my grandpa's computer. He loves the fact that he doesn't get a billion upgrade notifications.
[13:29] <Shadowbird123> OerHeks: y, sry
[13:29] <BluesKaj> yes OerHeks , but it doesn't hurt exchange views now and then
[13:29] <Ben64> should probably do that in #ubuntu-offtopic though
[13:30] <rantic_> They both sound like they are in their teens and installed Ubuntu for the first time and don't actually know what they're talking about
[13:30] <rantic_> but in other news those VLC 3.0 nightlies on ubuntu are mighty nice.
[13:31] <BluesKaj> rantic_,??
[13:32] <who> hi all
[13:32] <rantic_> who: Hi
[13:33] <who> can you tell me where I can find xchat
[13:33] <rantic_> who: It's in the repositories, you can sudo apt-get install xchat
[13:33] <BluesKaj> who, hexchat is the way to go, xchat is old and not supported
[13:34] <rantic_> who: However its been out of development for awhile. I'd suggest Hexchat through a PPA
[13:34] <who> thank you
[13:34] <who> is ther any terminal irc clients are available
[13:34] <Pici> who: irssi and weechat
[13:34] <rantic_> who: The most common and approachable would be weechat
[13:38] <k1l_> rantic_: hexchat is in the ubuntu repos
[13:38] <k1l_> !info hexchat
[13:38] <rantic_> k1l_: yeah I just noticed. I mentioned the PPA because it wasn't in the repos for 14.04 and earlier
[13:39] <OerHeks> it is available, for 14.04 ..
[13:40] <k1l_> !info hexchat trusty
[13:40] <rantic_> ohhh :o
[13:40] <k1l_> its just that xchat is gone since 16.04 and only hexchat is in the repos now.
[13:40] <rantic_> wait sorry anything BEFORE 14.04
[13:46] <swati_27> Please help.
[13:46] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/lq9DFIOa/
[13:47] <Bayam> hai
[13:47] <Bayam> how can I join for some channel?
[13:49] <k1l_> Bayam: /join #channel
[13:50] <k1l_> swati_27: what ubuntu is it exactly?
[13:50] <swati_27> k1l_: Kubuntu 16.04
[13:50] <damien__> .server irc.recycled-irc.net
[13:50] <k1l_> swati_27: ubuntu uses systemd since 15.04 and not upstart anymore
[13:51] <swati_27> k1l_: what should i do here? i really need to access DB?
[13:51] <k1l_> sudo systemctl start mysql
[13:52] <swati_27> no output
[13:52] <swati_27> back to command prompt
[13:52] <rantic_> swati_27: That's good
[13:52] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl status mysql
[13:52] <k1l_> sudo systemctl status mysql
[13:53] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VBIV5HYA/
[13:53] <OerHeks> no need for sudo + status, iirc
[13:54] <k1l_> swati_27: so its running
[13:54] <swati_27> k1l_: yes...
[13:54] <OerHeks>   Active: active (running) since Wed 2016-06-22 19:14:36 IST; 8min ago
[13:54] <swati_27> then why doesn't "mysql -u root" doesn't work
[13:54] <swati_27> ??
[13:55] <dreamy_> hi can anyone tell me how i can reset or reinstall all my audio settigs? my sound module is not being loaded at sartup
[13:55] <blut> swati_27: your socket is local
[13:55] <blut> swati_27: not global
[13:55] <swati_27> blut: and how to fix this??
[13:55] <blut> swati_27: Version: '10.0.25-MariaDB-0ubuntu0.16.04.1'  socket: '/home/swati/.loca
[13:55] <blut> swati_27: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory")
[13:56] <dreamy_> anyone helping?
[13:56] <blut> I don't know.
[13:56] <swati_27> blut: right...
[13:56] <rantic_> dreamy_: Did it work to begin with?
[13:57] <blut> swati_27: I mean I don't use mysql. But you probably configured your daemon
[13:57] <dreamy_> rantic_, i need to load a sound module to listen to mp3
[13:57] <rantic_> blut: He didn't even know how to start MySQL, any configuration he's done was watching a youtube tutorial or something
[13:57] <blut> swati_27: the manpage tells you how to use --socket
[13:57] <rantic_> dreamy_: You didn't answer my question
[13:57] <swati_27> blut: yes, changed the socket location in .cnf files
[13:57] <dreamy_> i didnt unerstamded it
[13:58] <blut> swati_27: Again, I don't use mysql. But apparently you can do something like 'mysql --socket=/path/to/socket'
[13:58] <swati_27> blut: Thanks. will try
[13:59] <dreamy_> rantic_
[14:11] <christian_> hello ubuntu community!
[14:11] <TikityTik2> How do I put other distros onto a usb?
[14:12] <TikityTik2> startup disk creator doesn't work with tiny core.
[14:12] <christian_> I want to ask a question
[14:13] <SkitzoTerra> Use the dd command
[14:13] <christian_> I recently updated my HWE in ubuntu 14.04. It used to be kernel 3.13 then I did hwe upgrade to that of Ubuntu Vivid kernel 3.19
[14:14] <christian_> I want to know if I would still get security updates for my system with kernel 3.19 installed
[14:15] <TikityTik2> SkitzoTerra: thanks.
[14:15] <vm096> christian I want to know that too :)
[14:15] <GnomeKris> Should I switch to Unity? Or stick with Gnome? It seems like a lot of the Gnome gui is missing things that Unity has already pretty well perfected. Like the printer dialogue.
[14:16] <GnomeKris> Screw it, I'm gonna look up the biggest differences between the two.
[14:16] <GnomeKris> make my own decision.
[14:16] <christian_> I installed 3.19 because I wanted to use the Mesa 3D Drivers present in that kernel (Ubuntu Vivid) for gaming in wine
[14:16] <EriC^^> you go girl
[14:17] <christian_> I noticed that when running updates, kernel 3.13 still receives updates
[14:17] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, DEs are mosty a personal decision
[14:18] <EriC^^> christian_: remove linux-image-generic and linux-headers-generic and leave put the lts generic instead so you get updates on 3.19
[14:19] <christian_> no no Eric I want to keep kernel 3.19 and keep 3.13 kernel for its security updates
[14:19] <christian_> 3.19 for its drivers and 3.13 for system security
[14:20] <EriC^^> christian_: ok, i think i missed some of the conversation before joining, nevermind :D
[14:20] <christian_> I was just beginning to ask Eric
[14:21] <christian_> Can Ikeep 3.19 kernel and 3.13 kernel at the same time and still get security updates?
[14:22] <damien__> hey ppl does anyone know of any known issues using spotify in ubuntu?
[14:23] <k1l_> vm096: christian_ the HWE support ends when 14.04.5 is released.
[14:24] <damien__> i cannot access it both ways by using either my spotify password or my facebook password
[14:24] <k1l_> vm096: christian_ see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[14:26] <adac> what is the best way to increase swap space?
[14:26] <damien__> i have a way around it as i think there is something wrong with spotify, i just use youtube instead
[14:27] <damien__> no problems with YouTube
[14:28] <damien__> can anyone shed any light on this?
[14:30] <Myrtti> damien__: have you tried if it works at https://play.spotify.com?
[14:30] <damien__> yeah thanks i was just thinking of the webplayer actually
[14:31] <OerHeks> damien__, what browser? chrome should work
[14:33] <damien__> i was talking about the spotify webplayer
[14:33] <damien__> it plays from your browser
[14:45] <f1gjam> hi guys, where is the best place to get help on Ubuntu openstack/autopliot
[14:49] <hggdh> f1gjam: for Ubuntu, probably #ubuntu-server; for openstack/autopilot specifically, #openstack
[14:53] <f1gjam> @hggdh, thanks
[14:53] <django_1> hey
[14:53] <django_1> how can i access this: "/etc/logstash/conf.d$" in file manager
[14:56] <blut> django_1: you can start a file manager as root e.g.
[14:56] <blut> django_1: sudo nautilus
[14:56] <django_1> blut, found it ty
[14:58] <k1l_> dont start gui programs with sudo
[14:59] <blut> don't use sudo if you need gui programs, really
[14:59] <ioria> !gksu
[15:05] <Tameiki_> Hello, I just reinstall my ubuntu (16.04) and I want to calibrate the screens (color stuff) but I don't know which type is my LCD screen (I have 5 different LCD screen in the calibrate software). Anyone know how I can know that plz ?
[15:07] <sandeepmaity09> hello,is there anyone for help ?
[15:08] <k1l_> just ask the question
[15:10] <mcphail> Tameiki_: do you mean you have old calibration profiles, and don't know which one to use?
[15:12] <Tameiki_> mcphail: In the calibration software, I need to select which type is my screen to calibrate it. In 14.04, I had "LCD, catho, plasma", but in 16.04, I have 5 types of LCD...
[15:12] <Tameiki_> I read on the Internet "If you don't know, select CCFL"
[15:12] <blut> !mir
[15:12] <blut> is mir running in 16.04?
[15:12] <mcphail> Tameiki_: oh. Don't know about that
[15:13] <OerHeks> blut, not yet
[15:13] <k1l_> blut: its still xorg on 16.04 as standard
[15:13] <mcphail> Tameiki_: sounds needlessly complex to me. Are you using a hardware calibrator?
[15:13] <blut> thanks
[15:13] <OerHeks> an LTS release does not surprise with such new features
[15:13] <OerHeks> except lxd on server
[15:14] <mcphail> blut: mir/unity8 isn't really ready yet
[15:15] <Tameiki_> mcphail: It's a hardware calibrator plug on the computer (USB).
[15:15] <k1l_> (for desktop)
[15:15] <mcphail> Tameiki_: are you using dispcal-gui for the calibration?
[15:16] <blut> OerHeks: interesting
[15:29] <wardrock> gdfhf
[15:32] <django_1> where can i read about "sudo service __ start file_name"
[15:33] <Tameiki_> mcphail: I finally found: my screen is a normal LCD-White-LED.
[15:33] <k1l_> django_1: its called "upstart" but ubuntu uses "systemd" now since 15.04
[15:33] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[15:33] <OerHeks> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal
[15:38] <Skinkitten> How do I learn how to use Ubuntu 15.10?????
[15:39] <OerHeks> Skinkitten, that would be a lot for just one month
[15:41] <Skinkitten> OerHeks: huh?
[15:41] <mib_0ye> http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5 http://tinyurl.com/jfcurn5
[15:41] <OerHeks> support for 15.10 lasts 9 months
[15:42] <OerHeks> !spam | mib_0ye, please don't
[15:42] <Arthur_D2> hi, I'm having issues with getting the HDMI to work on a laptop. I am using Xubuntu 16.04, and I know there's a key combo to enable/disable HDMI (Fn+f4) but it does not appear to work
[15:43] <Skinkitten> OerHeks: oh! I didn't understand you the first time. So, you mean to tell me, that next month, the ubuntu update will change what I would learn about the ubuntu system????
[15:44] <virus> hello
[15:44] <Skinkitten> OerHeks: to get to my main point here, How can I learn the ubuntu system?
[15:45] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: that's an overly broad question. What do you want to learn about?
[15:45] <OerHeks> Skinkitten, there might be light changes, not that much to make your experience worthless
[15:45] <SchrodingersScat> Skinkitten: just pointless to roll any new 15.10 machines right now.  If you have a 15.10 currently you should be checking on upgrading.
[15:45] <Skinkitten> OerHeks: I want to be on-boarded with the penguin but I keep getting difficulty with the terminal
[15:45] <OerHeks> Skinkitten, so start to use it and read our wikipages and so on
[15:46] <Skinkitten> may to rephrase my main question, what are the resources to learn ubuntu?
[15:48] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: well if you're looking for a book, you could get the "Official Ubuntu Book"
[15:48] <Broseidon> hmm I remember reading Ubuntu Manual and then The Linux Command Line skinkitten
[15:48] <tgm4883> https://www.amazon.com/Official-Ubuntu-Book-8th/dp/013390539X
[15:48] <SchrodingersScat> Skinkitten: the internet, #ubuntu, other users
[15:49] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-help/index.html
[15:49] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: although IMO the best way is to think about what you are trying to accomplish then start researching that (via google searches, wiki pages, etc) until you've accomplished that goal. Then figure out something else you want to do
[15:50] <designbybeck> trying ot print on my office network from 16.04. I found the printer and set it up. but when I print something it says held for authentication. It doesn't matter what password I give it, it doesn't print
[15:50] <designbybeck> I was able to print on 14.04 on the same printer and network
[15:51] <Skinkitten> tgm4883: thanks. that was my tactic but my patients has been wearing thin.
[15:53] <Skinkitten> tgm4883: is there another linux distro simpler than the ubuntu?
[15:53] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: IMO, no
[15:54] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: but you haven't really stated what you are trying to accomplish
[15:54] <OerHeks> impatience is a bug, you need to fix that yourself
[15:54] <Broseidon> skinkitten there is no huge difference between distros that you'll notice at all as a beginner IMO outside of finding a desktop environment you can deal with
[15:55] <craptalk> Skinkitten: what you mean by simple?
[15:55] <Broseidon> I usually install ubuntu with cinnamon desktop for newbies, my mother uses that.
[15:56] <CodeMouse92> Puppy Linux is pretty dead simple, but it isn't quite as feature-rich (and it runs as root, so don't let the newbies play with the terminal)
[15:56] <tgm4883> Without knowing his use case, it's kinda pointless for us to be naming "simple" distros
[15:57] <Broseidon> tgm4883 surely he is just 'trying out' linux. He can use anything he wants IMO
[15:58] <Skinkitten> which is the most tightly constrained distro. as in not so free.
[15:58] <nacc> Skinkitten: this seems like a better question for #linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:58] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: free or Free?
[15:58] <Broseidon> Not sure I understand that question, but remember you are asking in the ubuntu support channel
[15:59] <tgm4883> Broseidon: well he mentioned he was trying to do something specific but getting frustrated. So it doesn't seem he's just "trying out" linux
[15:59] <Arthur_D2> Oracle's Linux is probably least free
[15:59] <Broseidon> tgm4883 ah didn't see that :P. Who knows
[15:59] <Broseidon> skinkitten join the channel #linux and ask there if you want to discuss distros, we're supposed to be talking ubuntu questions here
[16:00] <Skinkitten> tgm4883: I dont understand the difference.
[16:01] <tgm4883> Skinkitten: one costs money, they other isn't able to be redistributed without restrictions
[16:24] <LiftedKilt> is there any sort of guide to installing ubuntu with btrfs raid1 on the boot drive?
[16:25] <LiftedKilt> specifically Xenial server
[16:25] <TurboKraken> LiftedKilt: I havn't had experience with it but this seems to be up to date. http://jamesdigioia.com/installing-btrfs-boot-drive-ubuntu-14-04/
[16:26] <TurboKraken> LiftedKilt: Not enought has changed to warrant a new guide.
[16:27] <LiftedKilt> got it - so raiding the boot partition for grub is still a manual process?
[16:37] <mumbles> hi, can someone tell me how to get all available network devices to populate a list in terminal for users to select one device (via select statement f.ex)?
[16:38] <nacc> mumbles: `ifconfig -a`, `ip -a addr`, etc ?
[16:40] <mumbles> nacc: thanks, I know how to find theese, but is there some way besides regexp to isolate the strings I need (in this specific case?)
[16:41] <mumbles> I'm new to shell scripting (but a programmer myself)
[16:42] <nacc> `ifconfig -a | grep ^[a-z] | cut -f1 -d' '`, there are probably many ways of doing it
[16:42] <nacc> mumbles: i'd check manpages if there is a way to have it just spit out the dev names, but off the top of my head, i don't know of such a flag to either program
[16:43] <mumbles> alright, thanks you for this hint, I'll get deeper into this... guess there is no way around regexp. Thanks again :)
[16:43] <mumbles> nacc
[16:44] <nevstah> hi, i've used boot-repair on my pc to fix my install on a luks encrypted root partition, but its not working because twofish hasnt been included in grub, does anyone know how I fix this? i can still decrypt with liveCD
[16:45] <Pici> mumbles: alternatively pull from /proc/net/dev directly (and other /proc/net 'files') which ip and ifconfig all poll
[16:45] <nacc> Pici: ah good call
[16:46] <jane_> I have an issue with ubuntu
[16:46] <jane_> and apache
[16:48] <nacc> !ask | janslow
[16:48] <nacc> janslow: sorry!
[16:48] <nacc> i guess jane_'s issue was solved :)
[16:51] <Janis> I need help
[16:51] <Janis> Hello?????
[16:51] <OerHeks> Janis, ask, wait and see
[16:52] <Janis> Ok
[16:52] <subsume> i can't ping out from my amazon box today. what should i check? i already disabled ufw
[16:52] <Bayam> can i ask you something?
[16:52] <Bayam> some questions pls, can i?
[16:52] <Janis> Whenever I connect my wifi, it works fine but then when I install apache, every 5 minutes the wifi disconnects
[16:52] <Guest57378> hey! i have backed up a folder on two different medias years ago. quickly right clicking the folder and looking at properties showed different amount of files and size. (i might have cut some out of one dir at some stage, or perhaps it got corrupt.) ive googled and found that running "diff -r dir1 dir2" should check for differences. i've read the manpage (quickly), can someone confirm that this will
[16:52] <mumbles> Pici, great, gonna check that out - merci to you
[16:52] <Guest57378> check if the dirs are 1:1 and if something is missing terminal will report so.
[16:54] <Guest57378> also, i assume this checks 1:1 regardless of filetype, etc.
[16:54] <OerHeks> Janis, what makes you think apache is the culprit?
[16:55] <nacc> !ask | Bayam
[16:55] <Janis> Because it doesn't do it until after I install apache
[16:56] <Janis> G
[16:58] <Janis> Also is it safe to run a site on ubuntu desktop?
[16:58] <OerHeks> Janis, is there any clue in var/log/dmesg ?
[16:58] <OerHeks> one can run a site off a desktop, desktop takes the most resources i guess
[16:59] <mumbles> nacc awsome your script works perfectly, thank you!
[16:59] <Bayam> can i have some friend on facebook, so i can ask 1on1?
[16:59] <Janis> Idk I am reinstalling ubuntu right now.. Anyways while that is reinstalling, I used xampp before and someone hacked into my files
[16:59] <Bayam> or anything you have, ex line or something that you want :)
[16:59] <backbox_> Hi! i'm new here
[16:59] <Janis> So I want to know if there wont be any exploits with httpd or anything with ubuntu desktop and apache
[16:59] <Bayam> sorry for my bad english
[17:00] <OerHeks> Janis, xampp ... sure, if you don't clean it up, it is easy to login. we don't support xampp, lamp only
[17:00] <backbox_> hello ?
[17:01] <Janis> Yeah I'm done with xampp because of that (it was on windows) but if I install ubuntu desktop and apache, will that be safe to use to run a site?
[17:01] <backbox_> any body here
[17:01] <Janis> And be secure?
[17:02] <backbox_> any one ?
[17:03] <mumbles> backbox_ hi there, let me tell you that most irc users are kind of "efficency oriented" so if you have a question, just ask
[17:03] <Janis> I'm here
[17:03] <OerHeks> Janis, standard it is not that secure, tons of sites with tips https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-secure-your-ubuntu-14-04-server-running-lamp/  http://tecadmin.net/security-tips-for-lamp-stack-on-linux/
[17:03] <backbox_> can i get to know you ?
[17:03] <Janis> Ok thank you!
[17:04] <OerHeks> backbox_, this is the ubuntu support channel, not the dating site
[17:04] <mumbles> backbox_ that's right, maybe switch to a channel with a different topic :)
[17:05] <backbox_> mmmm ok sorry , can i learn from you about linux and Ubuntu ?
[17:05] <backbox_> nn i will stay if it's ok i really would love to learn about linux and ubuntu
[17:06] <mumbles> backbox_ then start the joy of learning and come here if you have problems or questions about it
[17:07] <mumbles> backbox_ that means, stay if you like ofc
[17:07] <backbox_> ok thank you , and i will do that
[17:07] <mumbles> have fun
[17:16] <kaivnit> hi everyone
[17:17] <hihi> hello
[17:17] <kaivnit> where are you from?
[17:17] <hihi> Dominican rep. you?
[17:17] <Myrtti> Internet
[17:18] <Myrtti> this is a support channel for Ubuntu, did you need any help?
[17:18] <kaivnit> oh I'm from viet nam
[17:18] <kaivnit> :D
[17:18] <hihi> cool, why cnat i find htop?
[17:18] <hihi> im tetsing out ubuntu
[17:18] <SchrodingersScat> !info htop
[17:19] <SchrodingersScat> works on mine, all of them
[17:19] <hihi> i try sudo apt-get install htop but it says it cantt find the package
[17:19] <kaivnit> people have to know how to deep web is not?
[17:19] <SchrodingersScat> hihi: do you have 'universe' repo enabled?
[17:19] <hihi> no
[17:19] <hihi> how do i enable it
[17:20] <kaivnit> htop
[17:21] <Rocketeer99> Does SANE support network printers that are just plugged into ethernet on the local network? I'm having a bit of a hard time connecting one
[17:21] <kaivnit> you type htop
[17:22] <Rocketeer99> sane-find-scanner just looks for usb scanners as far as I can tell and didn't find my network scanner - I did verify net wasn't commented out in the .conf
[17:23] <Walex> Rocketeer99: Avahi maybe. In the case of an HP MFP it is the MFP driver/daemon from HP that configures SANE appropriately.
[17:24] <Rocketeer99> @Walex It's a combo brother printer and scanner and printing works fine
[17:30] <Rocketeer99> @Walex and I used the brother configuration tool brsaneconfig3 and it claims to have manually added a scanner
[17:30] <d08z> hi! when i right-click on my unity desktop, i do not have the option to "change my desktop background" anymore (just upgraded to 16.04), any idea? :)
[17:32] <nacc> !repositories | hihi
[17:32] <Rocketeer99> @d08z try trunning "gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.background active true" in a terminal
[17:33] <d08z> Rocketeer99: yes, that worked but i still dont have the option on the right click menu
[17:33] <Rocketeer99> @d08z what did that do exactly?
[17:34] <d08z> Rocketeer99: now i can see a wallpaper instead of a black background
[17:34] <Rocketeer99> @d08z did you install gnome shell anytime in the past?
[17:35] <d08z> yes
[17:35] <d08z> why
[17:35] <Rocketeer99> Ahhh ok cool is gnome-tweak-tool or ubuntu-tweak-tool installed?
[17:35] <d08z> both, yes
[17:36] <Tameiki> Rocketeer99, It's Unity Tweak Tool, not Ubuntu Tweak Tool.
[17:36] <Rocketeer99> @d08z installing gnome desktop has a bug where it prevents nautilus from handling the desktop
[17:36] <d08z> oh
[17:37] <Rocketeer99> So try going into gnome tweak tool and there should be an option to let nautilus handle the desktop
[17:37] <Paddy_NI> Is there anywhere to view the "notify-osd" history?
[17:37] <d08z> Rocketeer99: no there is not
[17:37] <d08z> Rocketeer99: should i look in unity-tweak-tools instead?
[17:38] <Rocketeer99> Give it a try
[17:39] <d08z> Rocketeer99: is there a terminal command i could type
[17:39] <Rocketeer99> @Paddy_NI try ~/.cache/notify-osd.log
[17:41] <Rocketeer99> @d08z I can't find a terminal command for it but it should be "Have file manager handle desktop" under "Desktop" in gnome-tweak-tool
[17:41] <d08z> Rocketeer99: this option does not exists in the gnome tools for 16.04
[17:42] <boriseto> Hi. Is there a plugin for Pidgin/Unity that would create separate protocol icons in Unity/Gnome instead of having the same icon for all windows?
[17:42] <Rocketeer99> d08z: Alright let me take a look
[17:42] <d08z> Rocketeer99: tyvm
[17:43] <Rocketeer99> d08z: Try "Icons on Desktop"?
[17:43] <d08z> Rocketeer99: already did
[17:43] <d08z> Rocketeer99: do  you think removing gnome-shell would do it
[17:44] <Rocketeer99> Removing gnome-shell and rebooting might work
[17:44] <Rocketeer99> But first try "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true" in terminal
[17:44] <Tameiki> Hello, in Ubuntu 16.04, I have weird interfaces name (p2p1 on my server, enp3s0 and wlp4s0 on my laptop). Where can I change that to eth0 and wlan0 ? I have no file in /etc/udev/rules.d/...
[17:44] <d08z> Rocketeer99: ok well ill try that
[17:45] <Rocketeer99> and I'd say reboot after that before uninstalling gnome shell or at least restart unity with "unity" in terminal
[17:46] <d08z> Rocketeer99: is it the package "gnome-shell-common"
[17:46] <SchrodingersScat> Tameiki: I just assumed that's life now, I changed my scripts to enp3s0
[17:47] <Tameiki> SchrodingersScat : There is no way to edit that ?
[17:47] <Rocketeer99> d08z: That sounds right? I'll admit I've never installed or uninstalled gnome before
[17:47] <nacc> Tameiki: why does it matter? also read about predictable interface naming
[17:47] <Rocketeer99> d08z: http://askubuntu.com/questions/396280/how-to-revert-unity-and-remove-gnome-desktop
[17:47] <fasdfd> Hi, I need help with wget.
[17:48] <fasdfd> wget -r --convert-links --no-directories --level=1 --no-parent --include /user/username,/music http://www.last.fm/user/username
[17:48] <fasdfd> Why doesn't this save the stuff in last.fm/music?
[17:48] <Rocketeer99> fasdfd: does that save things in the working directory or just not work at all?
[17:48] <nacc> fasdfd: what version of ubuntu? i don't see a --include in `man wget` on 16.04
[17:48] <Tameiki> nacc, Where I can saw the predictable interface name ? It matters because I always had eth and wlan interfaces. Those names make sense... "emp3s0" and "wlp3s0" is not obvious...
[17:49] <nacc> Tameiki: why do you care what they are called?
[17:49] <fasdfd> It does, just not omits the music folder..
[17:49] <Tameiki> nacc, Habitude... Maybe ?
[17:49] <nacc> Tameiki: eth* is the kernel's namespace, that's why it was changed, has no correlation to anything a user knows (necessarily)
[17:49] <fasdfd> nacc, I was using man on the gnu.org page, perhaps that's the reason, but note that the built in man wget seems to be shortened.
[17:50] <nacc> fasdfd: ah that could be
[17:50] <Tameiki> nacc, I found some rules file in /lib/udev/rules.d/
[17:50] <nacc> Tameiki: you can google around for the predictable naming stuff, it's pretty widely known at this point
[17:51] <nacc> Tameiki: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ e.g.
[17:52] <fasdfd> Rocketeer99, it seems to be only downloading things in the /user/username folder and only some others and it doesn't convert all the links..
[17:53] <nacc> Tameiki: as a desktop user, there is very little reason (unless something isn't working), to even know what your interfaces are named, IMO. Just use the network. For more complicated configurations, perhaps it makes sense to know
[17:53] <Tameiki> nacc, But I'm also a server user so...
[17:54] <fasdfd> or when I run it with --no-parent instead of --include, it downloads some things that can't be reached with one click on the webpage..
[17:54] <fasdfd> of course with level=1 specified
[17:54] <nacc> Tameiki: ok, then you should know how to read `ip addr`, `ifconfig`, etc. output; and the device name is just a label
[17:55] <Tameiki> nacc, Yes, of course I know
[17:55] <Tameiki> But... The "why" I want to change the label isn't the question here... My question is "how". Because I "prefer", as an "habitude", to read "eth" and "wlan" interfaces...
[17:56] <lolzer> anyone here knows online poker app for ubuntu?
[17:56] <CIclops> is it ok to install gcc 4.9 on 14.04.4?
[17:57] <jatt> yes
[17:57] <fasdfd> I runned wget -r --convert-links --no-directories --level=1 --no-parent http://www.last.fm/user/username and it downloaded www.last.fm/user/username/library/music/Artist/Album which is not linked on www.last.fm/user/username/library/music/Artist/Album
[17:57] <Tameiki> nacc, But I found the answer, by the way.
[17:58] <nacc> CIclops: ok in what sense?
[17:59] <nacc> CIclops: i don't believe it's provided by ubuntu on 14.04
[17:59] <swati_27> Please see
[18:00] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LvIO5cH0/
[18:01] <faLUCE> hello. I have to install ubuntu on this mini-pc  http://it.gigabyte.com/products/page/desktop_platform/gb-bxceh-3205rev_10  . Can I install AMD 64 bit version on it?
[18:02] <baizon> faLUCE: yes
[18:02] <faLUCE> baizon: thanks
[18:03] <swati_27> Please help with the above error.
[18:06] <CIclops> jatt, ta .. got 6861 running now :)
[18:12] <stephanketterer> hello, newbie here with a problem, hoping to find a gentle soul to help me :)
[18:13] <Broseidon> quasi newbie here. maybe i can help you
[18:13] <stephanketterer> i got a brand new gtx 1070, and i simply don't get it to install, tell me anything that would make it work, even if i have to reinstall the os, i do not care, i just want this card to work under ubuntu
[18:14] <live> Running SOLOS Linux I cant use apt-get   or yum    why?
[18:14] <fasdfd> what drivers do you have stephanketterer
[18:14] <live> comand not found
[18:15] <vm096_>  live: because it use another pack manager
[18:15] <vm096_> like packman etc
[18:15] <vm096_> i dont know what solos use to manage packges
[18:15] <uncle_ben> i have a dvd that was made at a school using some kind of mac and some kind of dvd authoring program...i want to transcode it, but can't see any files, either using 'ls' or pacmanfm
[18:16] <stephanketterer> fasdfd, i downloaded the newest (the ones that were released for the new cards.. but i cannot install it.. all errors about x something and nouvou..) i am a really a beginner... so my plan was to just put the card in there and reinstall ubuntu.. but that just gives me a black screen
[18:16] <ubuntu__> is there away find out what /dev/... device file is being used by which kernel modules? Is there a method thru /proc  or modinfo , or some other command like lsof for device files to link what application is using them and which modules are using which ones
[18:16] <fasdfd> stephanketterer, search for additional drivers in dash
[18:16] <vm096_> ubuntu_ try research about lsof
[18:17] <Broseidon> setphanketterer are you just getting a blank desktop? can you open a TTY terminal (control + alt + f5)
[18:18] <Broseidon> oh and control + alt + f7 to come back to your normal desktop if you do that
[18:18] <vm096_> stephanketterer did you try to enable it on bios?
[18:19] <vm096_> black screen after install?
[18:19] <stephanketterer> no when i boot from usb
[18:19] <stephanketterer> to install ubuntu
[18:19] <stephanketterer> i get a black screen
[18:19] <stephanketterer> vm096_i am sorry but what does enabling in bios means ?
[18:20] <stephanketterer> it is stuck in an pci slot
[18:20] <stephanketterer> don't think that its disabled
[18:20] <vm096_> some motherboard have to enable pci
[18:20] <Bayam> is anyone have a socmed (social media) likes facebook, line, blackberry msg, could  you invite/add me? lets talk *sorry for my bad english :)
[18:20] <vm096_> yes but perhaps
[18:20] <stephanketterer> nah because i did not change the settings
[18:20] <vm096_> ok
[18:20] <Broseidon> stephanketterer is the card working as expected with windows etc?
[18:20] <stephanketterer> and it worked with my older card perfectly
[18:21] <vm096_> do you have another way to connect the display, direct on motherboard?
[18:21] <stephanketterer> have not tested it with windows.. but i get a picture.. sometimes.. when i try the fail safe mode or whatever it is called
[18:21] <stephanketterer> so the card is able to produce images
[18:21] <stephanketterer> so its not dead :)
[18:21] <stephanketterer> vm096 i think so
[18:21] <vm096_> ok now that you tell us that
[18:21] <stephanketterer> i am sure i sound like a dumbass.. sorry for that
[18:21] <stephanketterer> not intentional :)
[18:21] <vm096_> no problem
[18:22] <Broseidon> setphanketterer so the ubuntu installer itself just goes blank?
[18:22] <ubuntu__> ya well lsof gives me the device files associated to any of the process , libraries ,..etc but it say's nothing about LKM devices they are using
[18:22] <stephanketterer> yes unfortunately
[18:22] <stephanketterer> and i cannot use windows for what i am running ( tensor flow)
[18:22] <stephanketterer> so i have to get it going under ubuntu
[18:22] <vm096_> did you tru to do what Broseidon said
[18:22] <vm096_> *try
[18:23] <stephanketterer> ok give me a second
[18:23] <stephanketterer> will put it in again and try :)
[18:23] <stephanketterer> and thank you for listening to me
[18:23] <FoeHammered> Neither apt-get nor Synaptic can seem to download any packages right now. What could be wrong? How can I try to fix that?
[18:24] <Broseidon> another thing you can try is booting your ubuntu installer drive legacy instead of uefi, it's also possible you have a corrupt ubuntu ISO, I've had issues like this before at random
[18:24] <Broseidon> Foehammered what happens when you try to use apt-get?
[18:25] <ubuntu__> is there any way to list the device files used by a particular  LKM or at least the major and minor numbers of the associated device files the LKM uses
[18:25] <vm096_> Broseidon, uefi mode can affect pci devices to work property?
[18:25] <FoeHammered> 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::16)]
[18:25] <stephanketterer> ok
[18:25] <FoeHammered> Indefinitely.
[18:25] <stephanketterer> so it boots in windows  without problems, obv resolution wrong because of the missing driver
[18:26] <Broseidon> vm096_ just trying to see if his installer will work without the graphical boot
[18:26] <vm096_> FoeHammered try to check apt repositories
[18:26] <stephanketterer> ok.. so
[18:26] <stephanketterer> know now that the card works
[18:26] <stephanketterer> that is a start
[18:26] <FoeHammered> vm096_: How do I do that?
[18:27] <CIclops> does 6861 need additional packages to support voice on 64bit Ubuntu 14.04?  6157 works fine
[18:27] <vm096_> FoeHammered: u can check on /etc/apt/
[18:27] <ubuntu__> i know lspci -k shows the kernel drivers or LKM associated with each pci device but there isn't a way i can go from what you get from lsmod to what each LKM uses if any for device files?
[18:28] <FoeHammered> What would I be looking for, vm096_?
[18:28] <vm096_> ubuntu__: was to u that I tell to check about lsof?
[18:29] <vm096_> on sources.list file
[18:29] <vm096_> cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:29] <ubuntu__> ya and that only works for  things that are not  LKM as far as i know how to uses it
[18:29] <vm096_> what do you have?
[18:29] <vm096_> ubuntu__: ok good to know :)
[18:30] <ubuntu__> do you know of a method for LKM to device files and visa-versa for a way to analysis  those things
[18:31] <FoeHammered> 99 lines. A great deal of commented out text (that is, lots of #, that's what that is, right?)
[18:31] <FoeHammered>      6	deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted
[18:31] <FoeHammered>      7	deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted
[18:31] <FoeHammered> For example.
[18:31] <FoeHammered> Should I pastebin it, vm096_ ?
[18:34] <vm096_> so try to disable that first url that give you an error when you try apt-get update
[18:34] <FoeHammered> Comment it out?
[18:34] <vm096_> yes
[18:34] <vm096_> # url with problem
[18:34] <zykotick9> FoeHammered: 1) has it ever worked?  2) are you sure you have internet working?  3) are you on some company/school network that could be blocking the connection?  finally, best of luck regardless!
[18:34]  * FoeHammered hasn't ever done this, so he is floundering a little.
[18:34] <timvisher> i just noticed that `/var/run` appears to not exist at boot time on an ubuntu 14.04 system. init.d services that rely on being able to write to that directory fail despite the fact that once the machine is booted, the symlink exists. is that expected?
[18:35] <vm096_> zykotic9 is right
[18:35] <FoeHammered> zykotick9: 1) Yeah, this is new as of this morning. 2) I'm chatting on IRC and looking at videos on the same device. 3) There's a minor firewall in our apartment building, but it hasn't been a problem for this in the past... Maybe something changed with it.
[18:36] <FoeHammered> I'm a bit new to all this, so it'll be slow going while I remember simple commands, I fear.
[18:36] <zykotick9> FoeHammered: does "ping us.archive.ubuntu.com" work?  ctrl+c to cancel it.
[18:37] <FoeHammered> (Oddly, I remembered ctrl-c, but that is, it's true, exactly the kind of command I'm not yet accustomed to. Thanks.) 64 bytes from economy.canonical.com (91.189.91.23): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=94.3 ms
[18:37] <spudowiar1> was randall in this room?
[18:39] <zykotick9> FoeHammered: so, you can still connect to us.archive.ubunut.com at least on the ICMP ports...  but the firewall could be blocking whatever port apt uses?  I don't really have any other suggestions...  so, best of luck.
[18:39] <vm096_> try to mv source.list and try to build again
[18:39] <swati_27> is mariadb not supported for kubuntu 16.04?
[18:39] <zykotick9> FoeHammered: be careful not to delete that sources.list, i doubt it'll be recreated (i think that comes from installer, but could be wrong)
[18:40] <vm096_> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list ~/
[18:40] <nacc> !info mariadb-server xenial | swati_27
[18:40] <vm096_> sudo software-properties-gtk
[18:40] <FoeHammered> zykotick9: So I should back it up.
[18:40] <jmss> Hi, what is oracle-java9-installer? From http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk8-downloads-2133151.html is seems JDK is the latest.
[18:40] <FoeHammered> vm096_: Is that how you back it up?
[18:41] <FoeHammered> vm096_: Um, build again?
[18:41] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Hc2t0liu/
[18:41] <swati_27> Is still doesn't work...
[18:41] <swati_27> *It
[18:41] <zykotick9> FoeHammered: vm096_'s mv command will move it from /etc/apt to your home directory (thus it could be moved back, when required)
[18:41] <vm096_> with #$ sudo software-properties-gtk - you will define new repo config
[18:42] <FoeHammered> Sounds like a plan.
[18:42] <vm096_> yes
[18:42] <vm096_> if not
[18:42] <vm096_> just copy back sources.list from ~/sources.list => /etc/apt/
[18:42] <FoeHammered> Indeed.
[18:43] <FoeHammered> Backing up things like this is always a good idea before messing with it, I imagine.
[18:43] <FoeHammered> Okay, so I've sudo software-properties-gtk, and it's brought up a graphical frontend thingy?
[18:43] <FoeHammered> Software & Updates.
[18:43] <FoeHammered> What now?
[18:43] <swati_27> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/h6zyDH7W/
[18:45] <vm096_> so just check
[18:45] <vm096_> cononical
[18:46] <vm096_> and select your country download from
[18:46]  * FoeHammered nods, thinks he's done that.
[18:46] <FoeHammered> Just now, I mean, as per your instructions.
[18:46] <spudowiar1> Does anyone know what nick Randall Ross uses on IRC?
[18:47] <FoeHammered> vm096_: Press close?
[18:47] <vm096_> yes
[18:47] <FoeHammered> Updating cache.
[18:48] <vm096_> try to sudo apt-get update now
[18:48] <vm096_> without now*
[18:48] <vm096_> sudo apt-get update
[18:48] <FoeHammered> Says it's downloaded structure of ppa.lanchpad.net/wine/wine-builds/ubunsomethingsomething.
[18:48] <FoeHammered> Also another I added with an openxcom beta.
[18:49] <FoeHammered> It seems to be taking its time downloading from wine/wine-builds, though...
[18:49] <craptalk> what channel to ask about computer graphic materials?
[18:49] <vm096_> do you have another files with ext .list on /etc/apt
[18:50] <vm096_> check if is there now
[18:50] <vm096_> a new file sources.list
[18:50] <FoeHammered> I do see a sources.list there.
[18:50] <vm096_> ok
[18:50] <FoeHammered> Looks like it was modified 4 minutes ago.
[18:50] <vm096_> so it was recreated like you did.
[18:50] <CIclops> 1.8.7/6861 on 64bit Ubuntu linux .... voice not working (SLVoice not loaded)
[18:51] <vm096_> try to see if it = with old
[18:51] <vm096_> sources.list
[18:51] <FoeHammered> Even while it's still updating caches in another window?
[18:51] <vm096_> md5sum /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:51] <vm096_> md5sum ~/sources.list
[18:51] <FoeHammered> I suspect it's hanged.
[18:51] <vm096_> ok
[18:52] <vm096_> did you see another file
[18:52] <vm096_> with ext .list
[18:52] <vm096_> on apt folder
[18:52] <FoeHammered> Only sources.list and sources.list.save
[18:52] <zykotick9> vm096_: fyi, PPAs and such will probably be in a subfolder /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:53] <vm096_> and is there a folder called
[18:53] <vm096_> sources.list.d
[18:53] <vm096_> any inside?
[18:53] <FoeHammered> By the way, the md5sum results. 35bd8d338edec72bec9eb7a0ce356c3f  /etc/apt/sources.list | 8ce46d04a4cfe3014e9e8e3d3e3ebedd  /home/me/sources.list
[18:54] <FoeHammered> There's four files in that directory. An openxcom and a wine-builds.
[18:54] <vm096_> so they are different, nice
[18:54] <vm096_> so
[18:54] <vm096_> try to rename this folder
[18:54] <vm096_> sources.list.d to sources.list.d.bkp
[18:54] <vm096_> and then create a new one
[18:55] <vm096_> sudo mkdir sources.list.d
[18:55] <FoeHammered> Oh.
[18:55] <FoeHammered> I think it finally finished updating those cashes except, uh... odd...
[18:55] <vm096_> and then sudo apt-get update -y
[18:55] <vm096_> so its solved?
[18:56] <FoeHammered> ...dunno, I think it's because I md5summed.
[18:56] <FoeHammered> Fuddrucker, no timestamps.
[18:56] <vm096_> ok
[18:56] <vm096_> try to sudo apt-get update -y
[18:56] <FoeHammered> http://pastebin.com/jErt1ceC , the output.
[18:56] <FoeHammered> Sure.
[18:57] <FoeHammered> Bah. This doesn't look good.
[18:57] <FoeHammered> 0% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1562::16)]
[18:57] <vm096_> cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:58] <FoeHammered>      1	deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main
[18:58] <FoeHammered> That's it.
[18:59] <FoeHammered> No wonder they're different.
[18:59] <vm096_> ok that is good
[18:59] <vm096_> no problem
[18:59] <vm096_> is there
[18:59] <FoeHammered> Oh, right, sorry, I didn't get around to renaming that .d back there.
[18:59] <FoeHammered> I think I was busy md5summing.
[18:59] <FoeHammered> Should I go back and do that?
[19:00] <vm096_> no
[19:00] <vm096_> needed
[19:00] <vm096_> I think you have to try another country repo
[19:00] <FoeHammered> Oh. Okay.
[19:00] <FoeHammered> sudo software-properties-gtk?
[19:00] <vm096_> yes
[19:01] <vm096_> I will put your repo on my machine and try
[19:01] <vm096_> wait
[19:01] <FoeHammered> Okay. I'll wait. I've got a Choose a Download Server window open now, but it'll sit.
[19:04] <vm096_> dude
[19:04] <vm096_> here it work fine
[19:04] <vm096_> Hit:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[19:04] <vm096_> Reading package lists... Done
[19:05]  * FoeHammered sighs.
[19:05] <FoeHammered> Any suggestions on how to isolate the problem?
[19:06] <FoeHammered> I could reboot, I suppose.
[19:06] <vm096_> yeah go ahead
[19:06] <vm096_> I need too
[19:06] <FoeHammered> Be back in a bit.
[19:06] <vm096_> so do I
[19:06] <vm096_> kkk
[19:12] <upp> hello, my google-chrome .config folder is 8GB ?? can any one explain that for me?
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  curious on linux i am trying to understand low level sound LKM files these are what i get from lsmod for sound  http://pastebin.com/KpMy9NXp
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  The main kernel driver LKM is snd_hda_intel but kind of wondering what the other ones are for
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  lsmod gives me that they Used by alot of different ones inter relate / uses one another
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  snd_hda_intel humm just curious and confused alittle about why lspci -k displays that one LKM for controlling the sound card hardware but clearly there is many modules that are associated with sound
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  some depend on each other some are not used by any others
[19:12] <ubuntu__>  so what makes the distinction between the  snd_hda_int
[19:13] <FoeHammered> Mrf. HexChat can't connect anymore after I've rebooted.
[19:13] <FoeHammered> I'll be back in a bit. I'm gonna ask if they messed with the firewall.
[19:15] <FoeHammered> vm096: hexchat can't connect to anything after I've rebooted.
[19:15] <FoeHammered> Including this.
[19:15] <FoeHammered> I'm here via my Firefox.
[19:15] <upp> my .config/google-chrome folder is 8GB ?? can any one explain that for me?
[19:16] <FoeHammered> I'll be back in a bit. I'm gonna ask if they messed with the firewall.
[19:17] <cherry_lin> is "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null" for each core a good enough as a test for CPU cooling system?
[19:18] <fasdfd> upp, simple chrome is sh**, delete that folder and you have 8 gigs free, and probably settings removed
[19:18] <fasdfd> alternatively upp do this in chrome
[19:18] <upp> fasdfd: the Problem is not to delete it, the Problem is why itÄs 8GB
[19:19] <fasdfd> upp, ctrl shift delete
[19:19] <genii> upp: They might have a better answer why in the #chromium channel. Since Chrome is not open source, there's no way to know what it's doing or if that folder is supposed to be that size.
[19:19] <upp> fasdfd: shift delete do that
[19:20] <fasdfd> upp, well, if you didn't mess with your settings then im guessing its normal. Perhaps you can find some option like Firefox's local cache limit, 350MB is totally fine for me
[19:21] <upp> fasdfd: 8 gigs is not normal xD
[19:21] <fasdfd> upp, youd be surprised how much cache can apps accumulate... im limiting this whenever i can
[19:22] <genii> upp: As I said earlier... the problem is no one except the devs which know how the application actually works would know if that is a normal thing or not. So those guys you need to ask about it specifically are in the #chromium channel.
[19:28] <vm096> FoeHammered
[19:29] <vm096> here ..
[19:29] <vm096> but we do nothing with your internet we, just manage repositories
[19:36] <Blass> hello
[19:37] <Blass> I have a cuestion
[19:38] <pauljw> !ask | Blass
[19:38] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | Blass
[19:38] <SchrodingersScat> ;(
[19:38] <pauljw> :)
[19:38] <Blass> ok
[19:42] <Guest49184> Hey , i just installed Gnome on Ubuntu 16.04 . I find it hard to get rid of the panel you get when i right click .. Can anyone help me here? im new
[19:43] <fasdfd> Guest49184, the dash kind of panel?
[19:43] <TurboKraken> Looking for some help with a sound issue. I can get sound out of the computer just not chromium or firefox (youtube/google music). Anyone have some insight or a place for me to start?
[19:43] <OerHeks> TurboKraken, installed restricted extras?
[19:43] <luxitanium> TurboKraken try installing ffmpeg
[19:44] <luxitanium> sudo apt install ffmpeg ffmpeg-extras
[19:44] <Guest49184> fasdfd , the one which says new folder , open terminal etc
[19:44] <nacc> ubuntu__: read the kernel source to find out?
[19:44] <Guest49184> the panel doesnt go away
[19:44] <fasdfd> Guest49184, I don't understand what the issue is with it.
[19:44] <Guest49184> unless i click left-click right click of the panel
[19:45] <Guest49184> the right side*
[19:45] <TurboKraken> OerHeks: I do not have RE installed.
[19:45] <ubuntu__> ok but i understand  there is usually an LKM for each device but when would you have an LKM that was not associated with a device other then just for fun / hacking purposes
[19:45] <OerHeks> !restricted
[19:46] <TurboKraken> OerHeks: Thanks
[19:46] <Shogoot> Hi people. Im having a trouble to get nwetwork to work on a HP Pavilion Entertainment Pc (it has a broadcom wifi). Ubutnu 16.04 intalls fine, bu i dont get neighter ethernet nor wifi connection.
[19:46] <OerHeks> and restart your browser after that*
[19:46] <TurboKraken> luxitanium: I installed and will try it in a second. Thank you for the post.
[19:47] <Guest49184> fasdfd , how can i show you an image perhaps?
[19:47] <nacc> ubuntu__: i'm not sure i follow your question (probably better asked in #linux anyways)
[19:47] <Shogoot> Hi people. Im having a trouble to get nwetwork to work on a HP Pavilion Entertainment Pc (it has a broadcom wifi). Ubutnu 16.04 intalls fine, bu i dont get neighter ethernet nor wifi connection. Ive googled but all i get is how to fix the wifi (as it has broadcom), but not the thernet. I know ethernet was working as i had a vista os on it until yestrday and ethernet was working proplery.
[19:47] <fasdfd> Guest49184, imgur.com perhaps
[19:47] <Guest49184> ok
[19:48] <ubuntu__> what i am asking is if we have snd_hwd_intel for the interrupt handler and LKM used for the sound card then why do you need the rest of the LKM for sound
[19:49] <nacc> ubuntu__: as just mentioned, not really an ubuntu support question -- the kernel does more than route interrupts, so there might be software layers above it provided by other modules.
[19:49] <luxitanium> Shogoot have you been able to connect to the internet on the installed system already?
[19:49] <Shogoot> luxitanium, no, that is my problem :)
[19:49] <nacc> ubuntu__: i would recommend you read the kernel source for the modules in question, to see what they provide.
[19:50] <Akuli> I just installed ubuntu 12.04 (yes, i know its old), and to get a desktop environment i installed the xfce4 package. it's missing icons. which package do i need?
[19:50] <luxitanium> it's a known bug with network manager, I had it myself, my laptop also has Broadcom wifi.
[19:50] <luxitanium> check this answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/763785/why-wired-internet-is-not-working-in-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[19:50] <EriC^^> Akuli: how did you install xfce4?
[19:50] <Akuli> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[19:51] <Shogoot> luxitanium, ill look ai it asap. thx so far
[19:51] <ubuntu__> right but these modules don't have to directly go thru the  interrupt handler  i see so how can they call the snd_hwd_intel the kernel driver or main LKM used  when tracking down sound problems how does one locate the exact module / LKM that needs to be replaced
[19:51] <Akuli> but it turns out i just needed to select an icon theme in the preferences
[19:51] <Akuli> so its up and running now :)
[19:51] <EriC^^> Akuli: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^
[19:51] <EriC^^> might be better
[19:51] <Akuli> i don't want that
[19:51] <Akuli> the computer has a 12GB hard drive
[19:51] <EriC^^> ok
[19:51] <Akuli> and ubuntu is only a little part of it
[19:51] <ubuntu__> that is kind of what all this is getting at being able to locate/find the exact location of the hardware issue
[19:51] <Akuli> but now i mostly have working icons
[19:51] <EriC^^> ok cool
[19:52] <Guest49184> http://imgur.com/0rRuYGc
[19:52] <Akuli> very little free ram, of course
[19:52] <Guest49184> cant get rid of it unless i left-click right side of this http://imgur.com/0rRuYGc
[19:52] <curlyears> heigh hough
[19:54] <fasdfd> Guest49184 and it appears by itself? I think it's a bug
[19:54] <ubuntu__> And if linux does not have an LKM built in to support a new device installed where do you get the driver or LKM for the new device or are you pretty much screwed until somebody figures out the spec's and writes a LKM for the new hardware?
[19:54] <Guest49184> Doesn't happen in Unity though
[19:54] <nacc> ubuntu__: what does this have to do with Ubuntu support?
[19:55] <curlyears> what the &^%^& us LKM?
[19:55] <fasdfd> Guest49184, I think a good idea would be to try Ubuntu GNOME from ubuntugnome.org or LTS version of Ubuntu which should be more stable, there's also Linux Mint.
[19:55] <GuNs``> (©©©©©©©©©) chalcedny (©©©©©©©©©)
[19:55] <ubuntu__> I have say a new sound card that ubuntu doesn't supporti want to trouble shoot this say and fix it or know its not possible to fix because there is no current LKM for it
[19:56] <TurboKraken> !restricted
[19:56] <curlyears> LKM?
[19:56] <Akuli> What is the recommended way to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04?
[19:56] <Guest49184> Ill give a try to ubuntu gnome
[19:56] <Akuli> i just realized that even though i have only a 6GB for ubuntu its mostly free
[19:57] <nacc> ubuntu__: that's all hypothetical?
[19:57] <nacc> curlyears: "Linux Kernel Module", I think...
[19:57] <ubuntu__> loadable kernel module or kernel driver program or  driver for the device
[19:57] <EriC^^> Akuli: sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:57] <Guest49184> Can you explain what GTK+ , Shell theme and are . Im confused
[19:57] <curlyears> Akuli:  I don't think the newer versions of ubuntu will load and execute properly in only 6.0 GB
[19:57] <EriC^^> Akuli: you might want to run sudo apt-get clean first
[19:58] <Akuli> why is that?
[19:58] <Akuli> i just installed it from a mini.iso
[19:58] <EriC^^> Akuli: in that case nevermind
[19:58] <Akuli> :)
[19:58] <ubuntu__> I am talking about a hypothetical case yes but this case if i knew how to solve it for this could be generalized to solve any driver problems for other devices not just sound thats why its an important question to solve for linux/unix like os's
[19:58] <Akuli> i'd probably run an apt-get upgrade first, at least
[19:58] <nacc> ubuntu__: not an ubuntu support question!
[19:59] <curlyears> Akuli:  then why did you ask?  I believe I remembered version 14.04.4 saying it required 6.5GB or so of disk space
[19:59] <curlyears> for desktoop
[19:59] <Akuli> curlyears, i don't believe that :) 12.04 uses 1.4GB with xfce, it can't be that huge :)
[19:59] <Akuli> i could probably get it even smaller by cleaning up some stuff
[19:59] <k1l_> Akuli: you can install the minimal install and then install selected packages
[20:00] <Akuli> thats what i do
[20:00] <curlyears> Akuli:  OK, then I rmembered incorrectly.  Mea Culpa
[20:00] <FoeHammered> vm096, I have no idea why Hexchat suddenly decided it worked after I left my computer for a while.
[20:00] <Guest49184> GTK , Window managers and Shell themes are making me confused
[20:00] <Akuli> Guest49184, which one do you want to know about first?
[20:00] <Guest49184> GTK
[20:00] <Akuli> sure
[20:01] <Akuli> Guest49184, its a toolkit that most of the applications you run use to make windows
[20:01] <Akuli> basically
[20:01] <vm096> are u playing on virtualbox?
[20:01] <FoeHammered> vm096: Mrf. And now it can't find Stellarium.
[20:02] <SCCMAvenger> has anyone gotten Skype for Business to work on Ubuntu or is there a alternative
[20:02] <Guest49184> if so , whats the difference of the window manager?
[20:02] <Akuli> Guest49184, window manager is a lower level thing
[20:02] <curlyears> Wonder when they'll port 64 bit ubuntu to this beast?   http://www.pddnet.com/2016/06/worlds-first-1000-processor-chip-may-be-fastest-ever-created-university?et_cid=5354347&et_rid=811725277&type=cta&et_cid=5354347&et_rid=811725277&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pddnet.com%2f2016%2f06%2fworlds-first-1000-processor-chip-may-be-fastest-ever-created-universit
[20:02] <curlyears> y%3fet_cid%3d5354347%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26type%3dcta
[20:02] <Akuli> Guest49184, gtk uses window manager, but window manager doesn't use gtk
[20:02] <nacc> curlyears: offtopic :)
[20:02] <Guest49184> Ohh
[20:02] <Akuli> :)
[20:03] <Guest49184> How about shell theme?
[20:03] <Akuli> i dont know
[20:03] <mariano_> I need to install a test kernel that has a patch to a bug i'm experiencing. I don't know how to install it. Can someone help me out?
[20:03] <Akuli> someone else can explain that :)
[20:03] <nacc> mariano_: what test kernel?
[20:03] <mariano_> linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic_4.4.0-22.40+lp1579190_amd64.deb
[20:04] <Akuli> Guest49184, there's alternatives to gtk like qt. some applications use qt (like skype and nitroshare), but they all run in the same window manager.
[20:04] <nacc> mariano_: download said .deb file and `dpkg -i <path to .deb>`
[20:04] <mariano_> It addresses a repeated typing of the number 5 for people that have logitech keyboards
[20:04] <nacc> mariano_: then reboot to that kernel
[20:04] <mariano_> ok, thanks
[20:04] <Guest49184> I see
[20:05] <fasdfd> Guest49184, shell theme just replaces the original theme files, graphics mostly
[20:05] <Akuli> mariano_, you probably want to run 'apt-get -f install' after that
[20:05] <nacc> Akuli: ah good call
[20:05] <Akuli> installing packages by installing the package first and then dependencies is probably not the best way, but it works well :)
[20:06] <mariano_> so it would be: sudo dpkg -i <path to .deb> apt-get -f install?
[20:06] <Guest49184> I can only see a difference in the top panel by applying a shell theme , thats all ?
[20:06] <Akuli> sudo apt-get -f install
[20:06] <fasdfd> Guest49184, there can be more AFAIK
[20:06] <Akuli> mariano_, if you're unsure about using sudo don't use it :) you'll get an error message that tells you to use it. but if you sudo when you don't need to you might break things.
[20:06] <k1l_> mariano_: no.
[20:06] <mariano_> oh ok
[20:06] <k1l_> that are 2 commands.
[20:07] <Akuli> also, take off the <> when you run the actual thing :)
[20:07] <Guest49184> Ok , thanks guys
[20:07] <mariano_> I will. Cool, I'm going to try it now.
[20:07] <nacc> mariano_: sorry, i gave incomplete information `sudo dpkg -i <path to downloaded .deb file>; sudo apt-get -f install`
[20:07] <Eventyret> Anyone got the repo or PPA for the Franz messenger, kind of struggling to try just install it and wanted to make a desktop shortcut (Ubuntu Gnome 16)
[20:07] <Guest49184> Will give Ubuntugnome a try :)
[20:07] <k1l_> sudo dpkg -i kernel-image.deb kernel-headers.deb (that are 2 deb files you need). then sudo apt install -f
[20:08] <nacc> k1l_: do you need the headers file deb to install the image deb? didn't realize that
[20:08] <k1l_> nacc: no you dont. but you need that headers if you want to have your dkms stuff compiled. like video drivers from nvidia etc.
[20:08] <nacc> !ppa | Eventyret
[20:08] <k1l_> or virtualbox etc.
[20:08] <nacc> k1l_: ah good point!
[20:09] <Eventyret> nacc, I had a look there didn't find anything i know Arch does have a package for it, sadly
[20:10] <OerHeks> Eventyret, easy to make yourself https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UnityLaunchersAndDesktopFiles
[20:11] <Eventyret> Will that work on Ubuntu Gnome OerHeks?
[20:11] <nacc> Eventyret: not sure i follow; franz is not packaged by Ubuntu (afaict), so you'd have to use their tarball or find a PPA.
[20:11] <nacc> Eventyret: and both those are supported by their respective owners, not here
[20:12] <Eventyret> nacc,  yeah i figured, only thing is i found the tarball no ./configure or make in it so normally its just unzip and double click the "program" and it starts, problem I have was to try add it as a deskop, but its not a SH file so not sure what i enter it as in the path
[20:13] <OerHeks> Eventyret, are you sure gnome does not make a launcher at all?
[20:14] <nacc> Eventyret: it's one of those new-fangled node embedded tarballs, probably
[20:14] <Eventyret> OerHeks, all i done on it was to extract it so its gnome 3, but i would presume i can use the .desktop trick if i understand what to put in the exec path :)
[20:14] <nacc> Eventyret: just put "program" in the patH?
[20:14] <nacc> Eventyret: not sure why that's not obvious :)
[20:14] <Eventyret> so the program is just lets say "home/username"download/franz"
[20:15] <Eventyret> nothing more i can't see the extention on it :)
[20:15] <nacc> Eventyret: extensions are a windows thing
[20:15] <nacc> Eventyret: so put "home/username/download/franz" as the path
[20:16] <SCCMAvenger> has anyone gotten Skype for Business to work on Ubuntu or is there a alternative
[20:18] <andreas_> hi
[20:19] <Eventyret> nacc, ok ill give that a go :) thank you :D
[20:19] <Eventyret> Might be that simple nacc :P
[20:20] <fasdfd> SCCMAvenger, look into SIP and Ring. Microsoft hates linux, they dropped support lately.
[20:20] <mariano_> I installed linux-image-4.4.0-22-generic_4.4.0-22.40+lp1579190_amd64.deb but when I type 'uname -a' i get back 4.4.0-24-generic #43-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 8 19:27:37 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux. Did the install not work?
[20:20] <mariano_> I rebooted the computer too.
[20:20] <SCCMAvenger> My company uses Skype for Business I can just switch to another messenger :)
[20:22] <nacc> mariano_: did you boot *to* that kernel specifically? it may not be the default (esp. if you have a later-versioned one installed as well)
[20:22] <nacc> mariano_: so reboot, hit esc or whatever in grub and pick the right kernel
[20:22] <mariano_> I never get a grub menu, the computer just boots to my xubuntu 16.04 desktop.
[20:23] <nacc> mariano_: i think hold left shift while it boots
[20:23] <BlitzHere> :P That didn't work for me just now, with EFI boot
[20:24] <mariano_> nacc: do I have to do that everytime I want to use that kernel?
[20:24] <supahhackah> hey
[20:24] <BlitzHere> Hi all, I need to run this command as root every time I log in for my Bluetooth to work
[20:24] <BlitzHere> sudo modprobe -r btusb && sudo modprobe btusb
[20:24] <BlitzHere> Is there a way to automate?
[20:24] <nacc> mariano_: depends on your grub config, but probably
[20:24] <mariano_> ok, thanks.
[20:24] <BlitzHere> I'm a noob
[20:24] <nacc> mariano_: and you shouldn't stay on said kernel, as it is missing security fixes
[20:24] <subsume> I disabled my ufw based firewall but i still can't reach the outside world, IP tables seems to still be enabled, what do I do?
[20:25] <nacc> mariano_: just test it and report back in the bug
[20:26] <mib_mib> hi all - i am in the US an dhave servers in a datacenter in europe, and want to set up a vpn server somewhere - should i set up the VPN server in the US or in Europe for optimal speed/latency?
[20:27] <supahhackah> europe
[20:27] <nacc> mib_mib: doesn't seem like an ubuntu support question; maybe ask in #linux or search through !alis
[20:28] <areeb> Hi
[20:29] <mib_mib> ok
[20:29] <FoeHammered> vm096: Still having the same problem updating us.archive.ubuntu.com
[20:30] <FoeHammered> It's entirely possible the problem is in the apartment building's whatsit. They are waiting to replace a broken component.
[20:30] <yw> Hello, my internet speed on 16.04 box 2x slower than other boxes, any clues what that might be ?
[20:32] <andreas_> hi
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> yw, Have you checked all the configurations for the driver/card and connection?
[20:34] <yw> YankDownUnder - I have done some check, but probably clueless :(, what would be the right way to do so?
[20:35] <YankDownUnder> yw, Check the "MTU" of the connection - in some instances the "automatic" setting isn't the best...
[20:37] <TurboKraken> OerHeks: The issue was that I had headphones in the speakers and the system saw the headphones as a separate output. Somewhere in the chain all was lost. Thank you for the documentation.
[20:37] <yw> YankDownUnder: http://paste2.org/BUvWImt3
[20:39] <thnaks> my modprobe tun returns nothing
[20:39] <thnaks> how can I turn it on?
[20:39] <Eventyret> I added the file nacc, (the desktop file) named it franz.desktop still can't find it
[20:39] <YankDownUnder> yw, Which is the connection you use - the wired ethernet or the wireless...? And have you set IPv4 to be the primary connection protocol or IPv6?
[20:40] <Eventyret> nacc, i put it in /usr/share/applications
[20:41] <thnaks> anyone else have the same issue with vpn?
[20:43] <yw> YankDownUnder - it's wired, not sure how to say IPv6 or IPv4 I see both in the wired info, but when I run test (via http://speedtest.xfinity.com/)  it runs only one tests and I know when it has IPv6 it'd run tow tests
[20:44] <Eventyret> nacc, I got it thank you :D made a shortcut :D
[20:45] <bigpic> newb here.. can anyone tell me what the “auto” keyword represents in /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:45] <bigpic> try to figure out how to specify a default route across multiple interfaces
[20:47] <YankDownUnder> yw, Check the connection settings in the control centre...is your "internet connection" based on IPv6 or IP v4? Just asking - either which, check the settings in the control centre...as well, you might want to find out if there is a 3d party driver for this NIC...and I'm only making statements based on logical assumption of the data you've given
[20:48] <subsume> Please help, I can't seem to disable UFW or iptables and I can't reach the outside world.
[20:48] <Guest6972> Hi guys
[20:49] <Guest6972> I have stuck at this bug since long. Please help https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1588428
[20:50] <Malinux> Bashing-om: Is it possible to find some how reverse dependencies, to find out what application is using a package? :)
[20:51] <OerHeks> rdepends > apt-cache rdepends packagename
[20:51] <yw> YankDownUnder:  unity-control-center wired connection shows both ipv4 and ip6
[20:52] <YankDownUnder> yw, Is the MTU set to automatic?
[20:52] <OerHeks> to clean it up a little: apt-cache rdepends --installed packagename
[20:54] <Cyll> Hi. Sometimes when I leave my computer on sleep mode, when I return the mouse vanishes completely. What do you think might be the problem? Using Ubuntu 16.04.
[20:54] <Cyll> Like the pointer for the mouse*
[20:54] <yw> YankDownUnder:  - how can I tell ?http://paste2.org/k4zOxkVO
[20:54] <Cyll> I am able to click things but the pointer itself is gone.
[20:57] <YankDownUnder> yw, It's in the configuration for the connection. In the GUI. In the control centre. Either which, here's a very simple question to base everything on: When did this last work correctly and what changed since that time?
[20:57] <Cyll> Hi. Sometimes when I leave my computer on sleep mode, when I return the mouse pointer vanishes completely. What do you think might be the problem? Using Ubuntu 16.04. (Slight correction)
[20:57] <vm096_> hi
[20:57] <vm096_> try rfkill?
[20:59] <vm096_> Cyll: return this pls $sudo rfkill list all
[20:59] <Bashing-om> Malinux: The thing here I think .. is that these are libraries .. and many packages will have these libraries common . With out knowing what installed package broke the system will be near impossible to isolate . Just my thought .
[20:59] <yw> YankDownUnder - its a good question, I suspect (can't test now as I can't reboot atm) but the only unusual ot the box is that it's connected to the usb powered backbox switch, may it's to blame, not sure, but will test later
[21:00] <YankDownUnder> yw, There is always the solution of: When all else fails, turn everything off, then turn everything on.
[21:00] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: This a lap top .. and if so .,.. what manufacturer ?
[21:00] <Cyll> vm096_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/17716891/
[21:00] <feneco>  do you know any software that i can use to quickly add arrows and circles in images?
[21:01] <yw> YankDownUnder - yes :) finally got it MTU - set to automatic
[21:01] <YankDownUnder> feneco, Scribus, GIMP...
[21:01] <YankDownUnder> yw, Coolbeans
[21:01] <Cyll> feneco: GIMP ?
[21:01] <YankDownUnder> yw, Set it to automatic, disconnect/reconnect...should work a charm
[21:01] <feneco> gimp does not create arrows quickly YankDownUnder  Cyll
[21:02] <feneco> :(
[21:02] <yw> YankDownUnder will try thx for helping !
[21:02] <vm096_> Cyll: can you try put this on a script on your desktop to open it with you mouse by clicking, after this turn log off or try to do what are blocking keyboard, so you can check it with rfkill by click with your mouse
[21:02] <Cyll> feneco: https://www.maketecheasier.com/draw-arrows-in-gimp/
[21:02] <vm096_> I dont know if I explain clear sorry
[21:02] <YankDownUnder> feneco, Um...hmm...yes it does...get a BRUSH that is an ARROW or a CIRCLE...that function has been there since the beginning...
[21:02] <Malinux> Bashing-om: I see. I should go through my qt-dependent applications perhaps?
[21:02] <feneco> Cyll: this is not practical
[21:02] <YankDownUnder> yw, Coolbeans
[21:03] <Guest6972> Bashing-om, yes it is a laptop. Manufacturer-HP ( More details in the link)
[21:03] <Cyll> feneco: Isn't much easier in Windows Paint? Dunno what to tell you
[21:03] <feneco> wanted something like skitch
[21:04] <feneco> YankDownUnder: there arent these brushes by default
[21:04] <Cyll> vm096_: I don't understand what you're saying partially.
[21:04] <feneco> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/LQZqoX54/
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Malinux: I too tend to think it is a qt5 package . Maybe see what you have installed recrently .. As I assume this sytem broke recently after an attempted install ??
[21:04] <YankDownUnder> feneco, Scribus
[21:04] <feneco> going to try that
[21:05] <feneco> thanks
[21:07] <feneco> scribus doesnt seem to work with image files
[21:07] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: Maybe consider this an ACPI issue .. what returns ' sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows ' . Maybe change the OSI() table entry ?
[21:09] <Guest6972> Bashing-om, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17717239/
[21:10] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: look'n .
[21:11] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: Test this : Reboot, hold down shift until the GRUB boot menu shows. Highlight the Ubuntu entry, press 'E' to edit it. Navigate to the line starting "linux ...", where you see "quiet splash" insert BEFORE those the string -  INCLUDING the outer quote marks - "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" so the line end looks like "  "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" quiet splash", THEN press either Ctrl+X, or F10, to boot with that change
[21:14] <thnaks> how I can install kernel modules
[21:14] <thnaks> I cant create vpn tunnels
[21:14] <thnaks> no tun module
[21:14] <thnaks> looked all over the internet no help
[21:18] <joi1> ciao
[21:18] <joi1> !list
[21:19] <Malinux> Bashing-om: Not sure when it broke, or if I understood you right.
[21:22] <Cyll>  Hi. Sometimes when I leave my computer on sleep mode, when I return the mouse pointer vanishes completely. What do you think might be the problem? Using Ubuntu 16.04. (Slight correction)
[21:23] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Others here surely have the greater experience with this . What I have in mind is to remove the elevated library(S). See what breaks and try and rebuild with the correct version libraries . NOT the best thing to do but I can come up with no better thing .
[21:23] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, Wireless or connected?
[21:25] <Malinux> Bashing-om: okey
[21:25] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: Wireless. I can click and everything, but the pointer just goes away
[21:26] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, So it's safe to assume that you've turned off the wireless mouse, waited a few seconds, and then turned it on again, hmm?
[21:26] <Bashing-om> Malinux: Ya want to break .. or perhaps best to see what - say OerHeks - thinks ?
[21:26] <Cyll> Yes it is YankDownUnder
[21:27] <Malinux> Bashing-om: We can wait for his opinion. I am looking around to find out how to list recently installed applications
[21:27] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, If you hit "CTRL+ALT+F1", which takes you to the first TTY, and then "CTRL+ALT+F7" - and the desktop is back, does the cursor show up?
[21:28] <Bashing-om> Malinux: The log file /var/log/dpkg.log ..  should say .
[21:28] <Cyll> YankDownUnder : I'll try reproducing the scenario and trying that, one moment.
[21:28] <Malinux> Bashing-om: okey :)
[21:28] <aleks_>    /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER aleks_ ssesgrklwcws
[21:29] <Bashing-om> aleks_: Time for a new password ?
[21:29] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: Yes it does :o
[21:29] <aleks_> join aleks_
[21:29] <aruns> Hi, having an issue with System Settings / sound.
[21:30] <Ben64> aleks_: don't try doing irc commands in a channel window, use the server window or status, or a pm to yourself or something
[21:30] <aruns> Systems Settings menu item not linking when I click it in the dropdown menu on toolbar.
[21:30] <aruns> I click the menu item but Systems Settings not launching.
[21:31] <aruns> Running Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS.
[21:32] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: So I guess that's the rudimentary fix for it or?
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, As well, when you "put the computer to sleep" - you might turn off the wireless mouse...and then when you "wake it up", turn on the mouse after the "sleep"...strange one, that...mine certainly doesn't do that...but then again...
[21:33] <Cyll> Okay.
[21:33] <OerHeks> !cookie | YankDownUnder
[21:33] <Cyll> I'll do that Yank, thanks :3
[21:34]  * YankDownUnder giggle and has a coffee instead
[21:34] <OerHeks> certainly an acpi issue, or timing to get the mouse out of sleep too.
[21:35] <root__> hii
[21:35] <noName> hii
[21:37] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: Luck ? Any change with the added boot parameter ?
[21:37] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: Giggling on an IRC? :O
[21:37] <Jordan_U> aruns: Assuming you're talking about Gnome Control Center, please pastebin the output of "gnome-control-center" run from a terminal.
[21:38] <Cyll> I think I might be asleep, still.
[21:39] <aruns> Jordan_U: Hi, I fixed, but thanks anyway.
[21:39] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, I've been awake for 2 hours, reading through the channels, the web - everything is basically silly.
[21:39] <aruns> Jordan_U: Trouble is, running Ubuntu on 11 year old laptop.
[21:39] <aruns> So it can be a bit sluggish.
[21:39] <Jordan_U> aruns: How did you fix it?
[21:39] <aruns> Jordan_U: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:39] <Jordan_U> aruns: Cool. Glad you were able to figure it out.
[21:39] <aruns> Which restores defaults, I think.
[21:40] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: Well glad you're so cheery. :3
[21:40] <YankDownUnder> Cyll, I didn't wake up dead. That would have determined my mood.
[21:40] <aruns> Jordan_U: Yeah. The trouble is, my laptop freezes just when I want to troubleshoot lol.
[21:40] <aruns> I strongly recommend installing Linux distros on older machines, like I did with mine, because if anything goes wrong.
[21:40] <aruns> At least it's not a new machine you've screwed up.
[21:41] <Jordan_U> aruns: It ensures that all of the packages that are installed by default are installed.
[21:41] <aruns> Jordan_U: Yeah, so I will need to remove Firefox lol
[21:41] <aruns> Too RAM-intensive.
[21:41] <aruns> I've only got 990 MB of RAM.
[21:41] <Jordan_U> aruns: Having it installed but not in use doesn't hurt anything.
[21:42] <aruns> Jordan_U: I guess not, I just don't like having Firefox.
[21:42] <aruns> Its logo is too ugly.
[21:42] <Jordan_U> aruns: You might try Xubuntu or Lubuntu though. They are designed to be more light weight.
[21:42] <aruns> Jordan_U: I know, I'm just too comfortable using Unity.
[21:43] <aruns> Even though it's slowing my machine down.
[21:43] <aruns> xD
[21:43] <Cyll> YankDownUnder: Yay, not dead.
[21:45] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Knowing that you prefer "Unity" as your DM/WM, have you tried WindowMaker or XFce or LxDE? Just asking...recently did a "migration" for someone on an ancient laptop and they kinda dig WindowMaker (very ancient window mangler)
[21:45] <aruns> YankDownUnder: I've thought about trying XFCE.
[21:46] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Very low on resource(s)
[21:46] <ubntukybrd> I'm using a Logitech mouse and keyboard with the Unifying receiver and every few minutes my computer stops showing keyboard input but the mouse continues to work without issue. Sometimes the input from the keyboard comes rushing in but is missing letters. I've tried new batteries, moving the receiver, and more importantly a differ WIRED keyboard. The wired keyboard has the same issue -- meanwhile wireless mouse still chugging alo
[21:46] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Excellent. Does XFCE have a similar search function to the Unity Dash?
[21:47] <skatelouis> So not sure how that happened, but sometimes when I enter a software the font looks like it is 4 or 6. Its extremely small, lie 1mm high. Ive been to system-->preference-->look and feel-->appearance then use Font tab. But the only way I can change things to see chat bigger for example is if I go to details and use a high dots per inch. Do you guys know about this
[21:48] <skatelouis> nvm manager to found a fix. on mirc at least. Will try to do something for other stuff later
[21:48] <YankDownUnder> aruns, http://www.xfce.org/ => when using it, for "search" functions, try: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/whisker-menu-fast-application-launcher.html
[21:50] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Excellent, thanks :D
[21:50] <YankDownUnder> aruns, All good, mate.
[21:51] <aruns> YankDownUnder: So from what I understand, I can choose which desktop environment to boot into on the login screen?
[21:51] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Yes.
[21:52] <aruns> YankDownUnder: OK. Does that mean that, if I choose to run XFCE for all subsequent user sessions, even if I have Unity installed my laptop won't be slowed down by having Unity installed?
[21:52] <YankDownUnder> aruns, You can also add or remove different desktop environments - based on what you "need" or "want"...for me, on servers, I always use the lightest possible desktop - if at all.
[21:52] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Or should I uninstall Unity once another desktop manager is installed?
[21:52] <Ben64> you're not slowed down by having anything installed
[21:53] <ubntukybrd> How can I troubleshoot a keyboard issue? It stops working for a few seconds then goes normal again. dmesg doesn't show anything like the device getting dropped and reattaching
[21:53] <YankDownUnder> aruns, No mate...but again, you can choose to remove what you do not wish to have - especially if "space" is an issue on the machine
[21:53] <YankDownUnder> ubntukybrd, Wireless keyboard?
[21:53] <aruns> I have a 77.6 GB HDD.
[21:53] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Which Linux distros do you mostly use for servers? Debian?
[21:54] <ubntukybrd> YankDownUnder: Yes but I tried a wired keyboard and it does the same thing. It's a logitech wireless and the receiver is less than 12" away.
[21:54] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Well, then space is something for you to think about...if you want to conserve space (albeit not that much) you can choose to remove bits and bobs.
[21:54] <aruns> Right, OK, thanks :)
[21:54] <YankDownUnder> ubntukybrd, Disable bluetooth and try again.
[21:54] <skatelouis> Hi guys, so I got an issue with running with the cd command on the terminal. I do "ls -d */" to show the folder. But when I type in "cd /skatelouis/" it says : "bash: cd: /skatelouis/: No such file or directory". Is it because I'm from /Home, do I need special access?
[21:55] <aruns> skatelouis: Hi, type pwd. Tell me what the output is.
[21:56] <aruns> skatelouis: Type pwd in the terminal, that is.
[21:56] <skatelouis> its "/home"
[21:56] <ubntukybrd> YankDownUnder:  Done. I'll know in a few minutes if that did the trick.
[21:56] <aruns> skatelouis: Type cd skatelouis without the leading forward slash
[21:57] <andrew__> hey
[21:57] <nacc> skatelouis: cd /skatelouis says to change directory to skatelouis under /
[21:57] <andrew__> this there a problem with unbuntu 16.04 for raspberry pi?
[21:57] <aruns> skatelouis: It's because / stands for root, and /skatelouis isn't a root directory.
[21:57] <skatelouis> skatelouis@skatelouis-Aspire-3830TG:/home$ cd /skatelouis
[21:57] <skatelouis> bash: cd: /skatelouis: No such file or directory
[21:57] <aruns> skatelouis: No, cd skatelouis
[21:57] <andrew__> evrey time i try to update it, it locks up and i have to start over
[21:57] <nacc> skatelouis: you were told to type it "witout the leading forward slash"
[21:58] <nacc> *without
[21:58] <aruns> skatelouis: Don't type in the leading forward slash
[21:58] <ubntukybrd> YankDownUnder: So far so good. Thanks.
[21:58] <TikityTik> does lightdm depend on xinit?
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> ubntukybrd, Coolbeans
[21:58] <skatelouis> just doing "cd skatelouis"? It removes /home
[21:58] <k1l_> andrew__: "df -h" is the disk full?
[21:58] <aruns> skatelouis: You're already in the home folder.
[21:58] <andrew__> no it was not
[21:59] <TikityTik> can i make lightdm startup jwm instead for a window manager?
[21:59] <andrew__> it was a fresh install 16 gb free space
[21:59] <aruns> skatelouis: Think of it as a relative path.
[21:59] <skatelouis> skatelouis@skatelouis-Aspire-3830TG:/home$ cd skatelouis
[21:59] <skatelouis> skatelouis@skatelouis-Aspire-3830TG:~$
[21:59] <ubntukybrd> YankDownUnder: What's the underlying issue? rf interference or a driver issue?
[21:59] <aruns> skatelouis: ~ stands for the home directory, which means /home/skatelouis
[21:59] <andrew__> im on 15 on raspberry pi
[21:59] <k1l_> andrew__: "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" in terminal and show the url here.
[21:59] <aruns> So you're on home/skatelouis now I believe
[22:00] <skatelouis> its possible
[22:00] <andrew__> df-h
[22:00] <aruns> Yeah, if you type pwd in terminal it will confirm
[22:00] <andrew__> how do i do that
[22:00] <skatelouis> aruns : you are right
[22:00] <andrew__> i know how to run the command
[22:00] <aruns> nacc: By the way, what does ~ stand for again, Tilden or something? I forget.
[22:00] <andrew__> but how do i put it in this chat
[22:00] <skatelouis> aruns : Thank you
[22:00] <nacc> aruns: english word for it is "tilde"
[22:00] <aruns> skatelouis: No problem.
[22:00] <YankDownUnder> ubntukybrd, Being that I have the same issue, it would appear to be the case. On THIS machine - my server, the wireless keyboard and mouse work a charm when "bluetooth" is disabled...and I've even disabled it in the BIOS...however, when I turn BT back on, the issues go from "intermittent" to "constant" - so, if that tells you anything - yes, there appears to be a conflict.
 andrew__: "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" in terminal and show the url here.
[22:01] <aruns> nacc: Thanks. Is there any particular reason the tilde is used to represent the home directory?
[22:01] <ubntukybrd> YankDownUnder: Gotcha. Thanks a million.
[22:01] <andrew__> http://termbin.com/qua0
[22:02] <aruns> nacc: Does this go back to the days of UNIX or something?
[22:02] <nacc> aruns: i think technically it's shell specific (although they might all use ~). You can use $HOME, too (which is more UNIX, possibly). I'm honestly not sure on the history
[22:02] <andrew__> i got it
[22:02] <andrew__> link posted
[22:02] <nacc> aruns: in fact ~ is documented in `man bash` under 'tilde expansion'
[22:03] <Guest6972> Bashing-om, just saw your msg, thanks for the reply! If possible can you provide more info. on solution, any likelihood it would break something.
[22:03] <aruns> nacc: Thanks, I love reading man pages :D
[22:03] <k1l_> andrew__: ok, there is enough space
[22:04] <k1l_> andrew__: but i dont know if the /boot is too small. was there an issue listed while updating?
[22:04] <nacc> aruns: i feel like 99% of my responses here are either reading the man-page first, or quoting it directly :)
[22:05]  * YankDownUnder remembers when we had "man" pages printed out due to lack of space on the machines
[22:06] <aruns> :P
[22:06] <andrew__> when i try to update ubuntu 16.04
[22:06] <aruns> Do you guys want to hear a bad Matt Damon Linux joke?
[22:06] <andrew__> it will go go for about 13 minutes
[22:07] <SchrodingersScat> aruns: that's off topic here, so no, even if someone says yes you're in the wrong channel.
[22:07] <andrew__> then it will say ubuntu has had a critical software problem
[22:07] <andrew__> freze
[22:07] <YankDownUnder> aruns, "Matt Damon" and "Linux" in the same sentence?
[22:07] <andrew__> wont respond
[22:07] <aruns> SchrodingersScat: Ubuntu is Linux...?
[22:07] <andrew__> i pull the power
[22:07] <andrew__> wont boot
[22:07] <andrew__> i haveto erase the card
[22:07] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Yes.
[22:07] <andrew__> then reimage the whole card
[22:08] <aruns> What do you get if you cross Matt Damon and shell scripting? Bourne Again.
[22:08] <k1l_> andrew__: does a 16.04 image work on  reinstall?
[22:08] <andrew__> yes
[22:08] <andrew__> it works untill i upgrade it
[22:08] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Hehehhee...great...
[22:08] <hggdh> aruns: enough, please. Kep on topic
[22:08] <Bashing-om> Guest6972: That is but a test .. will not break anything .. if there is an improvement ( might also try 2015 ) we can then make it permanent .
[22:09] <aruns> hggdh: OK, sorry :P
[22:09] <andrew__> oddly enough
[22:09] <andrew__> ubuntu 15 is stable
[22:09] <EriC^^> aruns: that was a good one :D
[22:09] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Oh, by the way, going back to desktop environments what's the Cinnamon desktop environment supposed to be like?
[22:10] <aruns> EriC^^: :D
[22:10] <hggdh> andrew__: please send in a full sentence. Typing two words per enter does not help people trying to understand you
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> aruns, It's quite all right - kinda like the old "Gnome2" days. Relatively easy on resource, but more of a hog than XFce
[22:11] <andrew__> ive got to go i will be back will in about 3 hours will you be one
[22:13] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Cool.
[22:14] <aruns> YankDownUnder: By the way, are you a professional sysadmin? You kinda seem like it.
[22:14] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Just that I want to develop my sysadmin experience but not entirely sure what I am expected to know.
[22:14] <TikityTik> can i configure lightdm to open a window manager?
[22:14] <YankDownUnder> aruns, Kinda. I'd prefer to NOT call myself that...just been using OS's for a very very long time...
[22:14] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Ah, right.
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> aruns, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node1.html
[22:16] <Oldcpv3> Could i ask something?
[22:16] <aruns> YankDownUnder: Mighty thanks!
[22:16] <thnaks> my install of ubuntu does not have the tun module
[22:16] <thnaks> I cant figure out how ot install it
[22:16] <Oldcpv3> oh wait, this is the wrong place... lol
[22:16] <YankDownUnder> Oldcpv3, What's up?
[22:16] <Oldcpv3> I would like to ask to advertise my forum....
[22:16] <Oldcpv3> link is http://doomxtreme.net16.net/index.php
[22:17] <thnaks> has anyone else experienced this?
[22:17] <k1l_> Oldcpv3: no advertising, thanks
[22:17] <OerHeks> Oldcpv3, please don't spam, thanks
[22:17] <YankDownUnder> Oldcpv3, Ah...right oh...reckon you should check in some other channels...hmm...?
[22:17] <OerHeks> stupid doom
[22:18] <TikityTik> can i configure lightdm to open a window manager?
[22:18] <Oldcpv3> use gnome?
[22:18] <Oldcpv3> i'm with a half-baked lxde, i need to use cli to restart, log off, etc
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[22:19] <OerHeks> TikityTik, sure, default session https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[22:20] <TikityTik> ah, i see it now
[22:22] <TikityTik> what is the most lightweight display manager?
[22:22] <TikityTik> because i'm using somethign super light weight which is jwm
[22:23] <Oldcpv3> lxde?
[22:23] <TikityTik> also will using lightdm take up ram even if it starts a jwm session?
[22:24] <TikityTik> this laptop that i'm working on only has 512 DDR2 ram
[22:24] <TikityTik> and is single core 1.7 Ghz
[22:24] <TikityTik> so i need to go LIGHT
[22:24] <Oldcpv3> uh huh
[22:24] <genii> openbox
[22:24] <Oldcpv3> use cli
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, You can always setup the system to boot to a console, then you login, then you can start your X session from there...so that bypasses the requirement for a "session manager"/"greeter" - and you have heaps of control over what "wm" you prefer...(like back in the old days)
[22:24] <OerHeks> DE <> WM
[22:25] <genii> TikityTik: So then no window manager, start openbox by CLI
[22:25] <Bashing-om> TikityTik: Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware.
[22:25] <Oldcpv3> http://doomxtreme.net16.net/
[22:27] <TikityTik> Bashing-om: I installed lubuntu core, this channel is more active so i'm here
[22:28] <TikityTik> YankDownUnder: how would i do that automatically this is for my grandma
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, You would setup a script to automatically start X after the login.
[22:29] <TikityTik> ah
[22:29] <TikityTik> ah how can i get an automatic login?
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomXSession
[22:31] <craptalk> how can i download video on ubuntu using wget? the source is not from youtube
[22:31] <TikityTik> YankDownUnder: don't i need a service after i disable lightdm?
[22:31] <craptalk> what command line should i use?
[22:32] <TikityTik> craptalk: ctrl+alt+t
[22:32] <OerHeks> craptalk, if it is a stream, find a streamrecorder
[22:32] <craptalk> it is from facebook that someone uploaded a video there
[22:33] <craptalk> OerHeks: how can i do it?
[22:33] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, You set up your system to boot to the "cli" - to the console. By doing that, you don't require a "service" to do anything. You then create a custom script to automatically start X after the user logs in. That being said, you've trimmed heaps of resource from the entire system as well.
[22:33] <OerHeks> craptalk, oh facebook, dunno
[22:33] <craptalk> i cant use wget -c 'http://url'
[22:33] <craptalk> i just get the html file instead
[22:34] <craptalk> anyway, i got the link source, i thought it would that easy, but i dont get the video
[22:34] <TikityTik> craptalk:  just use flash downloader add on firefox
[22:34] <craptalk> TikityTik: whats that name?
[22:34] <TikityTik> craptalk: "Flash and Video Download"
[22:35] <TikityTik> YankDownUnder: you mean by creating this .xinitrc, the systme will boot to the "cli"?
[22:36] <sponix> craptalk: http://www.d-series.org/forums/attachments/engine-building/83682d1426219852-d17a2-goal-230bhp-28u644z.jpg
[22:36] <craptalk> sponix: whats that?
[22:37] <garrettr> How can I get a list of the packages that are included by default in an Ubuntu install?
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, No. That is not what I meant. Let's do this step by step: Firstly, you need to remove the "session manager" - Light-DM or whatever - and the system needs to be configured to boot to the console. Secondly, you then have to create a "startx" script for starting your preferred window manager. Thirdly, you then have to create a script that is automatically started once the user logs in. Right? So those are the steps, and
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> that's what you need to do to get what you're asking for. Easy as.
[22:37] <sponix> garrettr: I think dpkg -l does _Something_
[22:38] <garrettr> e.g. "What packages are included in a default install of Ubuntu 14.04.4"?
[22:38] <garrettr> Is that what this is? http://releases.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64.manifest
[22:39] <craptalk> TikityTik: thanks for the add-on
[22:39] <OerHeks> garrettr, those are available in the iso, not installed per se
[22:39] <TikityTik> YankDownUnder: I haven o idea how to make it boot to the console and where you automatically login
[22:39] <sponix> garrettr: That looks like it  ;)
[22:39] <YankDownUnder> TikityTik, Google. It is your friend.
[22:40] <garrettr> OerHeks: Right, but if a file were _not_ included in the manifest, I could reasonably assume it would not be present in a default install, correct?
[22:40] <garrettr> Also, I can only find .manifest files for the desktop distribution. Where are the manifests for the server distribution?
[22:44] <OerHeks> garrettr, http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/Mirrors/releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64.list
[22:44] <OerHeks> or any other mirror
[22:45] <TikityTik> not finding anything on autologin for grub
[22:45] <craptalk> is it stable enough to use itunes on ubuntu? last time i was using it on playLinux, and it got stuck often
[22:45] <OerHeks> TikityTik, that is what a lightdm does for you, why do you put your grandma up with lubuntu-core?
[22:45] <TikityTik> because her laptop is very bad
[22:46] <OerHeks> craptalk,  check the wineHQ database
[22:46] <TikityTik> and i'm trying to make it fast enough for her
[22:46] <OerHeks> is is like your chatname, crap.
[22:46] <craptalk> OerHeks: what you mean?
[22:46] <OerHeks> !wine
[22:47] <craptalk> OerHeks: what you mean by saying something about my name?
[22:47] <k1l> craptalk: since apple doesnt ship a linux app you need to use wine. ask the wine guys about issues with that program and wine.
[22:47] <OerHeks> oh dear, offended
[22:48] <craptalk> OerHeks: nah i am just kidding
[22:48] <craptalk> k1l: yeah you are right. but i dont know it's just like sometimes the features dont work well at some points
[22:48] <OerHeks> *if* itunes would work, apple gives an update to undo the access
[22:49] <k1l> craptalk: but ubuntu doesnt matter since there is no native program. ask in #winehq about it
[22:49] <craptalk> alright
[22:56] <mankeletor> hey what's the name of font viewer?
[22:56] <mankeletor> i need to install it on lubuntu
[22:57] <OerHeks> mankeletor, maybe font-manager?
[22:58] <yw> YankDownUnder - update, turn MTU off and back on for auto, rebooted and all is back to normal :) gracious!
[22:59] <mankeletor> OerHeks, thanks a lot!
[23:02] <capum321> Building monodevelop from source -> http://www.monodevelop.com/developers/building-monodevelop/#linux . What is missing? http://dpaste.com/2W3KN63]
[23:04] <nacc> capum321: probably ask the mono developers? if you want, you can pastebin the configure file itself and i can try and look
[23:04] <OerHeks> capum321, maybe this page is any help http://askubuntu.com/questions/418343/cannot-build-monodevelop-from-source
[23:05] <nacc> capum321: just like yesterday, `apt-cache search sharp2` shows several packages
[23:09] <kb> hello
[23:10] <TikityTik> damnit, i screwed up my tt1
[23:10] <TikityTik> tty1
[23:10] <TikityTik> it doesn't even go into a prompt anymore
[23:11] <kb> beyler
[23:11] <kb> ananizi sikeyim
[23:12] <kb> yes brotherlar
[23:12] <k1l> !tr | kb
[23:12] <capum321> nacc http://dpaste.com/34BP044 paste here.. no luck with mono developers today!
[23:13] <capum321> OerHeks: thanks will take a look
[23:13] <capum321> nacc: so I have to check for the correct sharp2 ?
[23:15] <capum321> desktop or cli?
[23:18] <TikityTik> I screwed up my tty1, there's not login
[23:18] <TikityTik> there is no login. it just simply shows the end of the startup check
[23:21] <nacc> capum321: what?
[23:22] <capum321> nacc the config.log?
[23:23] <nacc> capum321: you know how to debug these failures?
[23:23] <nacc> capum321: you look for the string that's emitted and see what it's looking for. Then try to satisfy that requirement.
[23:24] <nacc> capum321: but in any case, you don't even need to do that here, the configure clearly states you're missing gnome-sharp-2.0
[23:25] <nacc> capum321: apt-cache search sharp | grep gnome
[23:25] <nacc> capum321: and you see a package called 'gnome-sharp2'. Install that, probably.
[23:25] <capum321> nacc: all right
[23:25] <nacc> capum321: but, tbh, if you are not able to debug this on your own, you probably don't want to be building this yourself
[23:25] <capum321> nacc: am I even typing it correctly the configure parameters?
[23:26] <capum321> nacc: actually i am secure on this... it's just I want someone to double check before doing anything...
[23:27] <nacc> capum321: i have no idea on the configure parameters, sorry
[23:27] <capum321> $ ./configure --prefix="pkg-config --variable=prefix mono"  double quotes don't work?
[23:28] <capum321> ` acute sign works
[23:28] <capum321> why is that
[23:29] <nacc> capum321: uh, because `` spawns a shell to get the output of a command, "" puts that string verbatim
[23:29] <nacc> capum321: very seriously, i don't think you should be building this yourself
[23:30] <capum321> don't say that. i already lost to much time not practicing code and troubleshooting this heck instead
[23:31] <capum321> anyway. I feel comfortable if need to clean install
[23:32] <nacc> capum321: iirc, doesn't mono ship a full tarball that has all the deps installed (from the page you linked to)? why not just use that?
[23:33] <capum321> i am sure i extract the tarball and run $ ./configure on it top folder
[23:36] <capum321> nacc didn't use git clone.
[23:38] <nacc> capum321: what?
[23:38] <nacc> capum321: i didn't a single time mention git
[23:38] <capum321> nacc: there are two options tarball or git
[23:39] <capum321> nacc: there are no other option
[23:39] <TikityTik> Fixed my problem by systemctl enable getty@tty1.service
[23:40] <nacc> capum321: right, i don't really care, tbh -- ask monodevelop folks how to build their stuff
[23:40] <capum321> nacc: that's just excelent to hear
[23:41] <nacc> capum321: you're fully outside ubuntu support; i and others have told you how to get whatever deps you need
[23:43] <capum321> that's terrible because every distro channels are so restrictive. even though it's about building a package and the output should be generic!
[23:44] <Garo> Hello!
[23:44] <Garo> How to open encrypted home on LiveCD?
[23:45] <nacc> capum321: this is an ubuntu support channel, and you're not building a package (which would imply an ubuntu package). you're building a tarball of some project. Talk to that *that* project for support
[23:46] <Garo> sudo ecryptfs-recover-private INFO: Searching for encrypted private directories (this might take a while)... find: ‘/run/user/999/gvfs’: Permission denied find: File system loop detected; ‘/sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl’ is part of the same file system loop as ‘/sys/kernel/debug’.
[23:48] <capum321> would pass on your mind, one had truly being in such channels and a lot of other related channels seeking help? am I really disturbing?
[23:50] <Garo> Hey?
[23:51] <Ben64> well, i might not boot next time, got this message during dist-upgrade ... "The GRUB boot loader was previously installed to a disk that is no longer present, or whose unique identifier has changed for some reason."
[23:52] <OerHeks> maybe you don't have cryptsetup installed on the liveiso
[23:52] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install cryptsetup
[23:52] <k1l> capum321: you were told several times how to solve it. ubuntu ships the depencies but you want it the very complicated way, which is not the ubuntu way. so ask the mono project how to solve their issue.
[23:53] <capum321> k1l: actually i was told to install 6.0 from source by on user at #mono
[23:54] <capum321> ¬¬
[23:54] <Ben64> capum321: then why come here for support doing that
[23:55] <capum321> for support? double check? learning stuff?
[23:56] <Ben64> in this channel you'd be told something like "sudo apt-get install monodevelop"
[23:57] <capum321> ben64 believe me, i have tried two possible ways by that option
[23:57] <capum321> I wanted you to surprise me!
[23:57] <Ben64> capum321: ??
[23:57] <capum321> haha
[23:58] <nacc> capum321: their pages have exactly the steps they recommend for installing/building monodevelop on Ubuntu. You seemed to have chosen to ignore their own guide(s).
[23:58] <capum321> not true. i have stop at stone during the path
[23:58] <capum321> so I dig around here
[23:59] <capum321> like so
[23:59] <nacc> capum321: so you're using their repository and everything?
[23:59] <capum321> yes indeed