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| kalikiana_ | t1mp: .api fixes https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listsAndNameSpaces/+merge/298314 | 15:07 |
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| lars_ | is it a good idea to still buy a Aquaris E4.5? | 21:19 |
| JanC | lars_: depends on what you want it for? | 22:02 |
| lars_ | JanC, like, also as a smartphone | 22:04 |
| JanC | if you just want a simple ubuntu phone then it's okay | 22:04 |
| lars_ | but also nice for cool stuff | 22:04 |
| JanC | define "cool" | 22:05 |
| lars_ | like, I'm not sure about how far this Ubuntuphone goes in terms of Linux-stuff | 22:05 |
| lars_ | I'm not an Linux expert, but yet, I'm using Arch as desktop distro and usually there's somehow a way to solve things | 22:06 |
| lars_ | like, for instance, pidgin, purple, wpa_supplicant | 22:07 |
| lars_ | as far as I've read, it needs some effort to make Ubuntu Touch modifiable | 22:08 |
| JanC | better to use a chroot than to make it modifiable if you want to get proper system updates | 22:10 |
| lars_ | I see | 22:10 |
| lars_ | and it's what people usually do with their UbuntuPhones I suppose? | 22:11 |
| JanC | and desktop applications aren't going to work well (even if you get them to work, they usually weren't designed for a small screen and a touch interface) | 22:11 |
| lars_ | like, I'm not sure if the restricted app store of Ubuntu satisfies all my needs. So making some X-applications run might be of interested in my case, maybe. | 22:12 |
| lars_ | ok, let's say not X | 22:12 |
| lars_ | but tools that help a lot | 22:12 |
| lars_ | like wpa_supplicant and similar things | 22:12 |
| JanC | WiFi works fine from the GUI (and I don't think it actually uses wpa_supplicant, but I might be wrong) | 22:13 |
| lars_ | kk | 22:13 |
| JanC | you can use command line tools | 22:14 |
| JanC | there is a terminal app | 22:14 |
| lars_ | Well, in the end I'm not fully sure what I expect of my new smartphone | 22:14 |
| JanC | or you can connect over USB or enable SSH | 22:14 |
| lars_ | but it's always nice to have some options left | 22:14 |
| lars_ | last week I tried to listen to a geo-blocked radio stream on my phone with some SSH-tunnel app, but didn't work, well, somehow expected | 22:15 |
| lars_ | I would expect, if I go for Ubuntu, that the OS is not intentionally making such things harder xD | 22:15 |
| lars_ | (unlike Android, unrooted) | 22:15 |
| lars_ | (I tried this on Android) | 22:16 |
| JanC | not intentionally, I think, but sometimes you might need to find the right way :) | 22:16 |
| lars_ | yes, sure xD | 22:16 |
| JanC | in any case, you can use sudo | 22:16 |
| lars_ | well, apart from that I just want a usable phone, browser, some messaging (doesn't need to be WhatsApp, Facebook, Threema, but something useful, I liked pidgin), email, occasionally soundcloud (for music I have a nice other player :) ) | 22:18 |
| JanC | there is SMS & Telegram by default | 22:18 |
| lars_ | makes sense | 22:19 |
| JanC | no e-mail by default, but there is a free ap | 22:19 |
| lars_ | do you have the E4.5 yourself? | 22:19 |
| JanC | yeah | 22:19 |
| lars_ | and it's fine for everyday experience? | 22:19 |
| JanC | no on-line agenda support except for google calendar currently (I think they work on that) | 22:20 |
| JanC | the browser is based on the browser engine from Chromium | 22:21 |
| lars_ | like, in youtube I saw some reviews with lagging youtube-vidoes playing (sometimes happens on my desktop with mplayer too), however, I guess Ubuntu has developed a lot since the launch last year | 22:21 |
| JanC | I don't really play much youtube videos on my phone anyway :) | 22:21 |
| JanC | the phone part usually works fine | 22:23 |
| lars_ | yeah, true, hopefully me neither, but that's those things that set me into a indecisive state | 22:23 |
| lars_ | well, I guess it's worth a try right? | 22:23 |
| JanC | navigation with uNav works fine for me | 22:25 |
| lars_ | still no offline mode? | 22:26 |
| JanC | never tried it, but I think uNav can pre-cache a route now? | 22:27 |
| JanC | https://uappexplorer.com/app/navigator.costales | 22:27 |
| lars_ | I see, not bad, it's a starting point :) | 22:28 |
| lars_ | JanC, thanks for the information so far :) | 22:29 |
| JanC | and it's free (as in freedom) | 22:29 |
| lars_ | haha xD | 22:29 |
| JanC | the camera in the bq 4.5 is also not very good | 22:29 |
| lars_ | well, I am intentionally looking for <= 4.5" as I just dropped my current phone one time too many, mostly because it just didn't fit my hand :P when trying to press return with my thumb my phone was always about to fall :P | 22:31 |
| lars_ | so I guess I have to make compromises, specifically in that price range :P | 22:31 |
| JanC | well, it's not the cheapest phone with similar specs for sure | 22:32 |
| lars_ | yeah, true | 22:32 |
| JanC | because of relatively small numbers sold | 22:32 |
| lars_ | I was thinking about a Wileyfox Swift with Cyanogen | 22:32 |
| lars_ | however, it's again 5" plus surrounding | 22:33 |
| lars_ | (now as the pound dropped, it might be a little cheaper if purchased in pounds and converted to euro xD ) | 22:34 |
| JanC | https://uappexplorer.com/apps should give you an idea about available apps | 22:34 |
| lars_ | nice | 22:35 |
| JanC | also, things like Twitter & Facebook apps & such are usually webapps based on the mobile website | 22:35 |
| lars_ | yeah, I read that, well, still better than the mobile website | 22:36 |
| JanC | http://askubuntu.com/ also has lots of questions & answers about the phone | 22:40 |
| JanC | http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/phone | 22:41 |
| JanC | or http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-touch | 22:41 |
| lars_ | I see | 22:42 |
| JanC | I see popey already answered a question in #ubuntu-touch too | 22:43 |
| JanC | :) | 22:44 |
| lars_ | yep | 22:45 |
| lars_ | looks legit, the amount of available apps | 22:50 |
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