=== salem_ is now known as _salem === davidcalle_afk is now known as davidcalle === _salem is now known as salem_ === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [15:07] t1mp: .api fixes https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listsAndNameSpaces/+merge/298314 === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft === javiercrowsoft1 is now known as javiercrowsoft [21:19] is it a good idea to still buy a Aquaris E4.5? [22:02] lars_: depends on what you want it for? [22:04] JanC, like, also as a smartphone [22:04] if you just want a simple ubuntu phone then it's okay [22:04] but also nice for cool stuff [22:05] define "cool" [22:05] like, I'm not sure about how far this Ubuntuphone goes in terms of Linux-stuff [22:06] I'm not an Linux expert, but yet, I'm using Arch as desktop distro and usually there's somehow a way to solve things [22:07] like, for instance, pidgin, purple, wpa_supplicant [22:08] as far as I've read, it needs some effort to make Ubuntu Touch modifiable [22:10] better to use a chroot than to make it modifiable if you want to get proper system updates [22:10] I see [22:11] and it's what people usually do with their UbuntuPhones I suppose? [22:11] and desktop applications aren't going to work well (even if you get them to work, they usually weren't designed for a small screen and a touch interface) [22:12] like, I'm not sure if the restricted app store of Ubuntu satisfies all my needs. So making some X-applications run might be of interested in my case, maybe. [22:12] ok, let's say not X [22:12] but tools that help a lot [22:12] like wpa_supplicant and similar things [22:13] WiFi works fine from the GUI (and I don't think it actually uses wpa_supplicant, but I might be wrong) [22:13] kk [22:14] you can use command line tools [22:14] there is a terminal app [22:14] Well, in the end I'm not fully sure what I expect of my new smartphone [22:14] or you can connect over USB or enable SSH [22:14] but it's always nice to have some options left [22:15] last week I tried to listen to a geo-blocked radio stream on my phone with some SSH-tunnel app, but didn't work, well, somehow expected [22:15] I would expect, if I go for Ubuntu, that the OS is not intentionally making such things harder xD [22:15] (unlike Android, unrooted) [22:16] (I tried this on Android) [22:16] not intentionally, I think, but sometimes you might need to find the right way :) [22:16] yes, sure xD [22:16] in any case, you can use sudo [22:18] well, apart from that I just want a usable phone, browser, some messaging (doesn't need to be WhatsApp, Facebook, Threema, but something useful, I liked pidgin), email, occasionally soundcloud (for music I have a nice other player :) ) [22:18] there is SMS & Telegram by default [22:19] makes sense [22:19] no e-mail by default, but there is a free ap [22:19] do you have the E4.5 yourself? [22:19] yeah [22:19] and it's fine for everyday experience? [22:20] no on-line agenda support except for google calendar currently (I think they work on that) [22:21] the browser is based on the browser engine from Chromium [22:21] like, in youtube I saw some reviews with lagging youtube-vidoes playing (sometimes happens on my desktop with mplayer too), however, I guess Ubuntu has developed a lot since the launch last year [22:21] I don't really play much youtube videos on my phone anyway :) [22:23] the phone part usually works fine [22:23] yeah, true, hopefully me neither, but that's those things that set me into a indecisive state [22:23] well, I guess it's worth a try right? [22:25] navigation with uNav works fine for me [22:26] still no offline mode? [22:27] never tried it, but I think uNav can pre-cache a route now? [22:27] https://uappexplorer.com/app/navigator.costales [22:28] I see, not bad, it's a starting point :) [22:29] JanC, thanks for the information so far :) [22:29] and it's free (as in freedom) [22:29] haha xD [22:29] the camera in the bq 4.5 is also not very good [22:31] well, I am intentionally looking for <= 4.5" as I just dropped my current phone one time too many, mostly because it just didn't fit my hand :P when trying to press return with my thumb my phone was always about to fall :P [22:31] so I guess I have to make compromises, specifically in that price range :P [22:32] well, it's not the cheapest phone with similar specs for sure [22:32] yeah, true [22:32] because of relatively small numbers sold [22:32] I was thinking about a Wileyfox Swift with Cyanogen [22:33] however, it's again 5" plus surrounding [22:34] (now as the pound dropped, it might be a little cheaper if purchased in pounds and converted to euro xD ) [22:34] https://uappexplorer.com/apps should give you an idea about available apps [22:35] nice [22:35] also, things like Twitter & Facebook apps & such are usually webapps based on the mobile website [22:36] yeah, I read that, well, still better than the mobile website [22:40] http://askubuntu.com/ also has lots of questions & answers about the phone [22:41] http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/phone [22:41] or http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-touch [22:42] I see [22:43] I see popey already answered a question in #ubuntu-touch too [22:44] :) [22:45] yep [22:50] looks legit, the amount of available apps === boiko_ is now known as boiko