[15:07] <kalikiana_> t1mp: .api fixes https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/listsAndNameSpaces/+merge/298314
[21:19] <lars_> is it a good idea to still buy a Aquaris E4.5?
[22:02] <JanC> lars_: depends on what you want it for?
[22:04] <lars_> JanC, like, also as a smartphone
[22:04] <JanC> if you just want a simple ubuntu phone then it's okay
[22:04] <lars_> but also nice for cool stuff
[22:05] <JanC> define "cool"
[22:05] <lars_> like, I'm not sure about how far this Ubuntuphone goes in terms of Linux-stuff
[22:06] <lars_> I'm not an Linux expert, but yet, I'm using Arch as desktop distro and usually there's somehow a way to solve things
[22:07] <lars_> like, for instance, pidgin, purple, wpa_supplicant
[22:08] <lars_> as far as I've read, it needs some effort to make Ubuntu Touch modifiable
[22:10] <JanC> better to use a chroot than to make it modifiable if you want to get proper system updates
[22:10] <lars_> I see
[22:11] <lars_> and it's what people usually do with their UbuntuPhones I suppose?
[22:11] <JanC> and desktop applications aren't going to work well (even if you get them to work, they usually weren't designed for a small screen and a touch interface)
[22:12] <lars_> like, I'm not sure if the restricted app store of Ubuntu satisfies all my needs. So making some X-applications run might be of interested in my case, maybe.
[22:12] <lars_> ok, let's say not X
[22:12] <lars_> but tools that help a lot
[22:12] <lars_> like wpa_supplicant and similar things
[22:13] <JanC> WiFi works fine from the GUI (and I don't think it actually uses wpa_supplicant, but I might be wrong)
[22:13] <lars_> kk
[22:14] <JanC> you can use command line tools
[22:14] <JanC> there is a terminal app
[22:14] <lars_> Well, in the end I'm not fully sure what I expect of my new smartphone
[22:14] <JanC> or you can connect over USB or enable SSH
[22:14] <lars_> but it's always nice to have some options left
[22:15] <lars_> last week I tried to listen to a geo-blocked radio stream on my phone with some SSH-tunnel app, but didn't work, well, somehow expected
[22:15] <lars_> I would expect, if I go for Ubuntu, that the OS is not intentionally making such things harder xD
[22:15] <lars_> (unlike Android, unrooted)
[22:16] <lars_> (I tried this on Android)
[22:16] <JanC> not intentionally, I think, but sometimes you might need to find the right way  :)
[22:16] <lars_> yes, sure xD
[22:16] <JanC> in any case, you can use sudo
[22:18] <lars_> well, apart from that I just want a usable phone, browser, some messaging (doesn't need to be WhatsApp, Facebook, Threema, but something useful, I liked pidgin), email, occasionally soundcloud (for music I have a nice other player :) )
[22:18] <JanC> there is SMS & Telegram by default
[22:19] <lars_> makes sense
[22:19] <JanC> no e-mail by default, but there is a free ap
[22:19] <lars_> do you have the E4.5 yourself?
[22:19] <JanC> yeah
[22:19] <lars_> and it's fine for everyday experience?
[22:20] <JanC> no on-line agenda support except for google calendar currently (I think they work on that)
[22:21] <JanC> the browser is based on the browser engine from Chromium
[22:21] <lars_> like, in youtube I saw some reviews with lagging youtube-vidoes playing (sometimes happens on my desktop with mplayer too), however, I guess Ubuntu has developed a lot since the launch last year
[22:21] <JanC> I don't really play much youtube videos on my phone anyway  :)
[22:23] <JanC> the phone part usually works fine
[22:23] <lars_> yeah, true, hopefully me neither, but that's those things that set me into a indecisive state
[22:23] <lars_> well, I guess it's worth a try right?
[22:25] <JanC> navigation with uNav works fine for me
[22:26] <lars_> still no offline mode?
[22:27] <JanC> never tried it, but I think uNav can pre-cache a route now?
[22:27] <JanC> https://uappexplorer.com/app/navigator.costales
[22:28] <lars_> I see, not bad, it's a starting point :)
[22:29] <lars_> JanC, thanks for the information so far :)
[22:29] <JanC> and it's free (as in freedom)
[22:29] <lars_> haha xD
[22:29] <JanC> the camera in the bq 4.5 is also not very good
[22:31] <lars_> well, I am intentionally looking for <= 4.5" as I just dropped my current phone one time too many, mostly because it just didn't fit my hand :P when trying to press return with my thumb my phone was always about to fall :P
[22:31] <lars_> so I guess I have to make compromises, specifically in that price range :P
[22:32] <JanC> well, it's not the cheapest phone with similar specs for sure
[22:32] <lars_> yeah, true
[22:32] <JanC> because of relatively small numbers sold
[22:32] <lars_> I was thinking about a Wileyfox Swift with Cyanogen
[22:33] <lars_> however, it's again 5" plus surrounding
[22:34] <lars_> (now as the pound dropped, it might be a little cheaper if purchased in pounds and converted to euro xD )
[22:34] <JanC> https://uappexplorer.com/apps should give you an idea about available apps
[22:35] <lars_> nice
[22:35] <JanC> also, things like Twitter & Facebook apps & such are usually webapps based on the mobile website
[22:36] <lars_> yeah, I read that, well, still better than the mobile website
[22:40] <JanC> http://askubuntu.com/ also has lots of questions & answers about the phone
[22:41] <JanC> http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/phone
[22:41] <JanC> or http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/ubuntu-touch
[22:42] <lars_> I see
[22:43] <JanC> I see popey already answered a question in #ubuntu-touch too
[22:44] <JanC> :)
[22:45] <lars_> yep
[22:50] <lars_> looks legit, the amount of available apps