[01:52] <mwhudson> can anyone explain to me why golang-defaults is not migrating? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/yakkety/update_excuses.html
[02:29] <infinity> mwhudson: Yes.
[02:30] <mwhudson> infinity: do you think they could manage to do so?
[02:30] <infinity> mwhudson: Absolutely.
[02:31] <infinity> mwhudson: It's amazing the sorts of things people are capable of.
[02:32] <mwhudson> infinity: i'm bored of this game now
[02:32] <infinity> mwhudson: (What that's trying to tell you, but poorly, is that golang-any-shared-dev is in main, but golang-any is in universe, which I've now fixed)
[02:32] <mwhudson> infinity: aaaah
[02:33] <infinity> mwhudson: See the "binary only movements to main" section in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.txt
[02:33] <mwhudson> what, how did that happen? golang-any being in universe?
[02:33] <mwhudson> was it just left out when the rest of the binary packages were moved?
[02:33] <infinity> mwhudson: Because it was always in universe (had no rdeps in main), but a new main package now depends on it.
[02:34] <mwhudson> oh ok
[02:36] <infinity> http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results is not filling me with glee.
[02:50] <mwhudson> i'd definitely be being more productive if that was going better :(
[03:40] <ScottK> Looks like I should have shorted the pound.
[04:03] <xnox> FUCK
[04:03] <xnox> Yakkety Yak
[04:03] <Unit193> Don't talk back.
[04:14] <chiluk> xnox you had better have voted.
[04:14] <xnox> i have
[04:15] <chiluk> damn 71.8% turnout... crap, we only get that kind of turnout for the superbowl!
[04:16] <chiluk> xnox infinity is archive.ubuntu.com abnormally slow right now or is it just me?
[05:52] <pitti> Good morning
[06:13] <infinity> pitti: It's a dark, sad morning.
[06:13] <pitti> infinity: yeah, was just reading the news :(
[06:14] <pitti> go populism
[06:19] <infinity> http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD%3DX+Interactive#{%22range%22:%225d%22,%22allowChartStacking%22:true}
[06:20] <infinity> Good day for a trip to the UK.
[06:28] <Skuggen> Hehe, yeah. Wonder how this will turn out
[06:53] <juliank> infinity: next days might be cheaper, unless parliament suddenly votes to stop the brexit
[06:56] <juliank> Let's wait until it hits $1
[06:58] <juliank> (it was at $1.50 yesterday, now it's at $1.36)
[07:06] <juliank> or a "let's ask again, the vote was too close"
[07:10] <maswan> well, they overrode the Boaty McBoatface vote, surely the ycan override somethig with this thin margin
[07:12] <Skuggen> They've declared this will be binding, though
[07:16] <xnox> oh shit
[07:17] <xnox> apperantly cameron might resign in a minute.
[07:17] <sil2100> eh
[07:17]  * xnox wants to move to scotland
[07:17] <xnox> sil2100, good morning brexit =) GBP is down to 1985 value
[07:19] <RAOF> xnox: Before they secede? ☺
[07:20] <xnox> he emerged from Nr 10
[07:20] <xnox> listining now.
[07:20] <xnox> rehearsed speech, very monotonic.
[07:22] <xnox> no immediate change to the eu freedoms
[07:25] <xnox> resigning, no later than October ~= 3 months.
[07:25] <xnox> oh and he spoke to the queen this morning. Knock Knock at 4am, lol =)
[07:34] <juliank> xnox: You have two years (max) to move to Scotland, start preparing
[07:34] <juliank> That's how long there can be exit negotiations.
[07:34] <Skuggen> Unless they delay handing in their exit notice
[07:34] <juliank> Two years after a request to leave, you're out.
[07:34] <juliank> Skuggen: yep
[07:34] <Skuggen> So I suspect they won't do that until Cameron is gone, at least
[07:35] <juliank> They need to negotiate a deal first, otherwise their position is far too weak
[07:37] <RAOF> How does that improve their negotiating position? Their position *is* far too weak.
[07:39] <pitti> Skuggen: no, it's not legally binding -- but of course it is practically
[07:39] <pitti> Cameron called for this referendum, he cannot in good faith ignore it now
[07:39] <juliank> RAOF: Once they invoke article 50, they *have* to leave within 2 years, regardless if anything was negotiated.
[07:40] <juliank> So, the EU could just say no to everything, the UK gets nothing, and still has to leave, which they surely don't want.
[07:40] <RAOF> juliank: So the negotiating position is “if you don't give us a good enough deal, we won't leave”?
[07:40] <Skuggen> pitti: Well, he's kind of just dumping the result on his successor :)
[07:40] <Skuggen> The UK is a big economy, so the EU will still want to deal with them
[07:41] <juliank> RAOF: That makes sense. The UK can just block or delay decisions now in the EU to get what they want
[07:41] <Skuggen> If they give notice, they lose voting rights
[07:42] <juliank> No, only on their exit deals
[07:42] <RAOF> juliank: Oh! So the negotiating position is “if you don't give us a good enough deal, we'll deliberately destroy the EU from within”? Also a winning negotiating position ☺.
[07:42] <juliank> That's their only option.
[07:43] <juliank> It'll be interesting to see if northern ireland and scotland will leave the UK
[07:44] <maswan> I hear irish unification has gotten a big push now
[07:44] <juliank> One Ireland
[07:45] <juliank> Re-uniting Ireland would be easier than establishing an independent Scotland.
[07:45] <Skuggen> Maybe Scotland can join Ireland too :D
[07:45] <Skuggen> The Irish Isles!
[07:46] <juliank> Sinn Féin already demanded a unity voite
[07:46] <juliank> s/voite/vote/
[07:53] <juliank> One things for sure: If Scotland leaves the UK, the current Doctor will be the last Scottish one
[10:00] <rbasak> nacc: so what would be the consequences of not pre-depending? I think we need to engineer things (in Ubuntu and also Debian) so that the maintainer scripts do not fail if the ordering is off.
[10:02] <elbrus> rbasak: please read my response: the MySQL server may be on a different host
[10:02] <rbasak> elbrus: yeah, I get that part.
[10:02] <rbasak> elbrus: but if it is on the same host, the maintainer script should still not fail.
[10:03] <elbrus> it "doesn't"
[10:03] <rbasak> That's fine then :)
[10:03] <elbrus> it will ask the admin how to resolve the situation
[10:04] <elbrus> so doesn't fail unless the admin wants that
[10:04] <rbasak> OK that sounds good.
[10:04] <elbrus> and in non-interactive mode it never fails
[10:04] <elbrus> at least: that is the design
[10:05] <elbrus> or I should say, it fails, but the admin can opt-out of failure
[10:07] <rbasak> That may lead to excessive bug reports. We essentially get an automated bug report for every maintainer script failure.
[10:07] <elbrus> you then already have them.
[10:07] <rbasak> Though if there's something in the report that allows us to detect the reason (eg. a stderr string) we can redirect the report to an existing bug, such as one marked Invalid with an explanation.
[10:08] <elbrus> this behavior exist for > 10 years
[10:08] <elbrus> and yes, the error is always reported
[10:46] <pitti> xnox, tinoco: this time aupkg01 (10.100.0.12) went AWOL; I think/hope I installed kdump on both (so far .13 was the problem child), could you please have a look?
[12:14] <tinoco> pitti: hopefully kdump worked this time
[12:14] <tinoco> pitti: i'll have to install 3270 on the machine i am right now
[12:14] <tinoco> it will take sometime to reboot it (fyio)
[12:29] <Saviq> pitti, hey, any idea about why my ttys would become empty after a while after boot (maybe after suspend/resume or something)? do you know if there's a bug filed?
[13:07] <xnox> bdmurray, pitti, arges, slangasek - althrough d-i in xenial-proposed is now validation libdebian-installer for the bug 1582320 is not. Once that is validated d-i can be released.
[13:07] <xnox> s390-tools is now validated please release that.
[13:07] <xnox> cause i need to do s390-tools SRU + d-i again now for the now resolved FBA bug =)
[13:07] <xnox> bug #1582320
[13:28] <Saviq> seb128, any idea why this is still stuck in proposed https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/41 ?
[13:29] <Saviq> all of them are Valid candidates
[13:30] <seb128> Saviq, seems like they went through in the previous publisher according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[13:32] <seb128> Saviq, is there a specific package you were looking at?
[13:32] <Saviq> seb128, just waiting for this silo to land
[13:32] <seb128> Saviq, I think it's in transit, wait a bit and it should be good
[13:33] <Saviq> seb128, ack
[13:33] <Saviq> thanks
[13:33] <Saviq> yup, it's merging right now :)
[13:33] <seb128> great
[13:35] <semiosis> i just proposed a merge for bug 1565985.  i'll be around for the next several hours if anyone wants to review/discuss it.  thank you.
[13:46] <pitti> Saviq: "empty"? no, no idea; maybe they don't survive a suspend, I never checked TBH
[13:46] <Saviq> pitti, yeah just black
[13:47] <Saviq> pitti, anything I could restart to see if they come back? neither console-getty or system-getty seem to be running according to systemctl status
[13:47] <Saviq> and I do have the console right no
[13:47] <Saviq> w
[13:48] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/17801155/
[13:48]  * Saviq suspends
[13:50] <Saviq> hmm now the prompt is there, but all of them say tty1 and I can't type anyway
[13:50] <Saviq> so they're stuck
[13:51] <Saviq> restarting system-getty.slice didn't help (right, it's a .slice, that's why systemctl status wasn't doing well)
[13:59] <seb128> Saviq, pitti, I had a similar issue on thursday, my vt1-6 had no login prompt until I rebooted (xenial)
[14:00] <Saviq> ok /me files a bug
[14:01] <seb128> thanks
[14:01] <seb128> btw did you get the lockscreen issue since yesterday?
[14:03] <pitti> ça va seb128 !
[14:03] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[14:04] <pitti> seb128: too much sad politics today and it's utterly warm, but otherwise okay :)
[14:05] <seb128> yeah, don't have election results on trollday :-/
[14:08] <Saviq> seb128, pitti, bug #1595963
[14:10] <pitti> probably more likely to be a systemd/kernel issue, but I'll look at that; thanks for the bug report
[14:24] <seb128> Saviq, thanks
[14:29] <Pharaoh_Atem> teward: ?
[14:52] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, i'm still trying to understand exactly what should happen/ when it works/doesn't work.
[14:53] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: there was a bug we were discussing, LP: #1571436
[14:53] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: fpm configuration / documentation
[14:53] <Pharaoh_Atem> ah
[14:54] <Pharaoh_Atem> I didn't know we even shipped any nginx configs in Ubuntu
[14:56] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: i think it's an example config
[14:58] <Pharaoh_Atem> ah
[15:07] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: may not be something super urgent, but if you could glance, see if it's reasaonble to fix (might need fixing in Debian too) and let me know, that'd be great
[15:12] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc: sure
[15:12] <Pharaoh_Atem> chances are good it probably needs fixing in Debian
[15:20] <pitti> doko: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/267449474/bash_4.3-14ubuntu1.1_source.changes → please build Ubuntu uploads with the ubuntu dpkg-source
[15:52] <slangasek> xnox: bug #1582320> test case is in the bug, perhaps you can run it?
[15:54] <xnox> slangasek, let's see if i can do that on the running system.
[17:21] <jbicha> nacc: for bug 1582340, do you want me to go ahead and add the php-xml dependency?
[17:22] <jbicha> and since I'm doing that, I might as well pull in 7.44 too for xenial?
[17:25] <nacc> jbicha: yeah, i guess that's probably reasonable; i['ll work on the php7 issues right after i finish fixing/testing bacula
[18:23] <slangasek> pitti: why is https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-yakkety/yakkety/armhf/o/openafs/20160624_174535@/log.gz (linked from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lsb for the moment) not listed on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/openafs/yakkety/armhf/ ?