[00:00] <frib> i duno i just saw that it said php5 installed was assumed so it must have had to be there for things to not get messed up
[00:00] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17775585/
[00:00] <virgoretti6> I get that error when I try to install Wine.
[00:01] <fullstack> if I checked .ssh permissions and /etc/ssh/sshd_config options and I still can ssh with authorized_keys --- what else could be my problem? 14.04
[00:02] <xangua> virgoretti6: you'll have to make an effort and explain what you did, what you were trying to do and how you end mixing 64 and 32 bit repositories
[00:03] <hggdh> fullstack: please start by stating what you think is wrong
[00:03] <fullstack> typo: I cannot ssh via authorized_keys
[00:03] <virgoretti6> xangua all I'm doing is trying to install Wine from the software center. I don't understand what else you want me to explain.
[00:04] <fullstack> any ideas?
[00:04] <hggdh> fullstack: (1) wrong ssh public key; (2) invalid ssh public key
[00:06] <hggdh> fullstack: you can find more info if you try ssh -vvv
[00:06] <hggdh> fullstack: another option is you added a different ssh public key, and did not call ssh with -i
[00:07] <fullstack> debug3: Incorrect RSA1 identifier
[00:07] <fullstack> Crazy I can ssh to other places
[00:07] <virgoretti6> xangua what else do you want me to explain? I told you everything I did, everything I'm trying to do, and everything that happened.
[00:07] <canaima> hola
[00:09] <fullstack> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[00:09] <fullstack> Strange it just doesn't like it
[00:10] <amr_> hey
[00:10] <amr_> i con not install metasploit in my elementary
[00:11] <amr_> can any one help me
[00:11] <Bashing-om> !eos | amr_
[00:11] <OerHeks> amr_, both are not supported here, try #elementaryos
[00:13] <virgoretti6> Could anybody here tell me why I'm getting this (http://paste.ubuntu.com/17775585/) error when Itry to install wine from the software center and how I can stop it?
[00:14] <OerHeks> "I lost all of the packages I installed earlier" how did you install wine before?
[00:14] <OerHeks> playonlinux?
[00:16] <virgoretti6> I don't know, somebody sent me a link to a page, and I just ran whatever commands were there.
[00:16] <virgoretti6> OerHeks
[00:16] <karlthane> N538cp#!
[00:16] <virgoretti6> Can I use playonlinux to install wine?
[00:18] <OerHeks> i think you followed this page https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html and easy to find out, what is the output of " ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  "
[00:18] <OerHeks> that should give playonlinux.list
[00:19] <Fizzik> Im having issues with my audio output over headphones, one channel is really quiet other is normal level. could this be because of sound driver?
[00:19] <ayee> Which file do I modify and how to increase my open file descriptor limit?
[00:20] <virgoretti6> I probably don't have it installed right now, but I'll run that. My computer wipes itself whenever I shut it off, and I had to shut it off earlier.
[00:20] <tatertots> have you tried a known good pair of headphones Fizzik?
[00:20] <Fizzik> yea tried several
[00:20] <tatertots> laptop or desktop computer Fizzik?
[00:21] <Fizzik> laptop
[00:21] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I did get ubuntu-wine-ubuntu-ppa-vivid.list
[00:21] <virgoretti6> OerHeks could that help?
[00:21] <OerHeks> oh, are you still on vivid??
[00:21] <reisio> Fizzik: it's actually possible sometimes to change volume for each channel; check alsamixer for a skewed volume mixer
[00:22] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I don't know. I think I'm running Lubuntu 14 or 15.
[00:23] <OerHeks> "latest available wine betas" brrrr .. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[00:23] <OerHeks> use ppa-purge to reverse it all.
[00:23] <OerHeks> then play with playonlinux :-)
[00:23] <OerHeks> !ppa-purge
[00:24] <OerHeks>  sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[00:24] <virgoretti6> OerHeks what does all of that mean?
[00:24] <OerHeks> but if you are on viivd now, you get problems updating,... it is EOL
[00:24] <virgoretti6> Whats EOL?
[00:25] <tatertots> EOL= end of life
[00:25] <OerHeks> virgoretti6, that is howto remove the ppa, so you have a normal system to install playonlinux
[00:25] <xangua> End of life, finito, not supported, dead
[00:25] <OerHeks> servers down, saves money
[00:25] <jamesd> servers down, make me money :-)
[00:26] <virgoretti6> OerHeks what's a ppa? A package?
[00:26] <reisio> an out-of-ordinary-repos package
[00:27] <OerHeks> in this one a beta package.
[00:27] <xangua> virgoretti6: maybe you shouldn't run "whatever commands were there" if you don't understand what they do, what Ubuntu release are you using?
[00:28] <virgoretti6> xangua Vivid, I checked now.
[00:28] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I don't have ppa-purge. "command not found"
[00:29] <xangua> virgoretti6: download latest Ubuntu from Ubuntu.com and start over, that would be the fast way
[00:29] <xangua> ! Xenial
[00:29] <OerHeks> install ppa-purge and use the command..
[00:29] <xangua> virgoretti6: as you were told, vivid is no longer supported
[00:30] <OerHeks> but vivid would not install anything now, i guess
[00:30] <virgoretti6> OerHeks how can I install it?
[00:31] <DonJuan692006> Howdy folks! I'm trying to get a startup script set to launch my Minecraft server at startup. I'm on 16.04 and have read that Ubuntu moved to using systemd. I'm a Linux novice, so I'm not sure where to start. I know how to configure an init.d script to do it.
[00:31] <paybacc> hello people
[00:32] <OerHeks> virgoretti6, only if you install a supported version, this is the root of your problem
[00:32] <reisio> hi pay
[00:32] <OerHeks> run updates, you see :-)
[00:33] <virgoretti6> OerHeks a supported version of Ubuntu? I had it working before on this version...
[00:34] <xangua> Before when?
[00:34] <virgoretti6> xangua ages ago I don't know
[00:34] <xangua> Because if you just installed vivid, it was already dead since the moment you did
[00:34] <OerHeks>  February 4, 2016
[00:35] <virgoretti6> xangua I didn't
[00:36] <OerHeks> you are still able to download a fresh iso to put on usb
[00:40] <snufft> hi guys!
[00:40] <tatertots> hi snufft
[00:40] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I don't have a usb drive that works.  I don't actually think my hard drive works either. Whenever I try to start my computer without the disc I'm using, I get a weird error and it never starts, and I also can't install the OS, but I do have Chrome installed, so I know that stuffcan install.
[00:44] <tatertots> I keep a keychain usb drive with ubuntu on it because u just never know when it'll come in handy
[00:44] <snufft> i've got a 14.04 machine which turned off last night due to the power cutting off and now it won't boot properly. there was a pending restart to apply updates before the power cut out if that helps. I have two kernel options to boot: 3.13.0-89 and 3.13.0-87. -89 takes me to a black screen with a blinking cursor, or it takes me to a ubuntu loading screen with the 5 pink dots that light up in succession, but it hangs instantly and I have
[00:44] <snufft> the box
[00:46] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[00:46] <tatertots> snufft
[00:46] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:46] <snufft> -87 does pretty much the same thing. when I get the black screen with the blinking cursor, I can control + alt + f1 to launch a terminal session and login successfully, with errors about samba not being able to open its password file. I can't start lightdm though
[00:46] <snufft> tatertots: thanks heaps :D
[00:47] <tatertots> no worries
[00:48] <StyxAlso> Hello. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and my Logitech T650 Touchpad is not being detected, although the Unifying Receiver shows up in lsusb. What should I do to try to fix this?
[00:48] <zproc> snufft: you could try to finish the apt-get upgrade from command-line then from there, it would probably also finish to re install/update Grub
[00:49] <tatertots> StyxAlso is there a button on the device to "pair" it for the lack of a better word...you may have seen this type of button on wireless mice/keyboards?
[00:49] <tatertots> is there a button on this device yes/no?
[00:49] <StyxAlso> tatertots: No
[00:50] <StyxAlso> It used to "just work"
[00:50] <tatertots> any recent hardware/software changes?
[00:50] <tatertots> if it has removable batteries i'm going to assume you tried known good batteries...i hate assuming but eh
[00:51] <StyxAlso> No. And I've charged it fully.
[00:51] <tatertots> does it work when booted to a livecd/liveusb?
[00:53] <virgoretti6> What can I do with playonlinux? It installed, so can I use it to install Wine?
[00:53] <tatertots> I'm assuming you've tried with the RF receiver dongle thing plugged into multiple USB ports also?......again i hate assuming but eh
[00:54] <StyxAlso> tatertots: I'm not sure. I'd rather not reboot right now. I might get back to some other work and try to fix it later. Thanks for your help though :-)
[00:55] <tatertots> no worries mate
[00:55] <snufft> zproc: will give it a shot. just trying the roulette process of getting that black screen again, rather than the hang, lol
[00:57] <virgoretti6> How can I stop holding broken packages?
[00:57] <tatertots> remove the broken packages from your system
[00:58] <tatertots> and if ur still trying to salvage that EOL operating system i suggest just backing up ur data and install a supported operating system
[01:00] <dancingdemon> anyone can help me with the easiest way to set vpn on ubuntu 14.04?
[01:01] <tatertots> vpn client or server?
[01:01] <tatertots> either way open vpn is ur friend
[01:03] <tatertots> your other friend when it comes to vpn is a router with DD-WRT firmware since certain builds of ddwrt have vpn client/server built in
[01:03] <dancingdemon> I just need to run vpn via ssh to access some site.
[01:04] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[01:05] <tatertots> that doesn't really tell me if u want vpn client or vpn server but no matter ...see link above
[01:07] <virgoretti6>  tatertots can I remove packages when they're not installed?
[01:08] <tatertots> virgoretti6 i'd suspect if u tried to remove a package that does NOT actually exist on your system u would get an error that says something like "package not found"
[01:10] <virgoretti6> tatertots can a package (wine) be broken when I don't have it installed?
[01:11] <tatertots> virgoretti6 was an attempt made to install this package that failed in some manner?
[01:11] <virgoretti6> tatertots yes
[01:12] <tatertots> Ah then i could see it leaving some crumbs behind that might need to be swept up
[01:13] <tatertots> was the failed installation attempt made with "apt-get"?
[01:14] <virgoretti6> No. I marked Wine for installation in the synaptic package manager, and it immediately appeared to be broken after that.
[01:15] <virgoretti6> It's not installed, though.
[01:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots
[01:17] <tatertots> i'm here
[01:18] <tatertots> if the package doesn't show up in your system at all..i'd try to install wine again if i were in your shoes.....i personally would NOT use the synaptic package manager to do it
[01:19] <virgoretti6> Alright, I'll try again from the Software center.
[01:20] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17778769/ tatertots
[01:21] <tatertots> ah i se
[01:21] <tatertots> see
[01:22] <virgoretti6> :-)
[01:22] <tatertots> https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[01:23] <virgoretti6> That's the page somebody sent me before!
[01:23] <virgoretti6> :-)
[01:23] <tatertots> the method of installing u tried would have yielded an older version of wine ver 1.6
[01:24] <virgoretti6> Why?
[01:24] <tatertots> try the method listed on the wine site to get a more recent > 1.7 version
[01:25] <virgoretti6> Alright, but why couldn't I get that from the software center?
[01:25] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: You have been told before, this channel does not support EOL releases. Please install Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[01:25] <tatertots> by all means if u want to keep trying synaptic or software center ...go for it...but i personally would NOT do it that way
[01:26] <virgoretti6> tatertots apparently supports it :-)
[01:26] <tatertots> you CAN drive a car with your feet.....i wouldn't suggesting driving with ur feet but it's "do able".....i wouldn't do it
[01:26] <virgoretti6> thank you, tatertots
[01:28] <virgoretti6> tatertots yeah, I understand that, but why would you not do it that way?
[01:28] <tatertots> ur fighting a losing up hill battle if ur running EOL version of ubuntu....ur basically on the titanic metaphorically speaking....jump ship mate ...now...before it sinks lol
[01:29] <virgoretti6> tatertots also, I'm pretty sure you do need to use your hands and feet to drive a car...
[01:29] <tatertots> lol
[01:30] <tatertots> me personally..i wouldn't like having a "legacy" 1.6 version of wine on my box
[01:30] <tatertots> I'd want the newest stable release > 1.7
[01:31] <tatertots> that's just me though
[01:31] <virgoretti6> tatertots I think I would to, but why can't I get that from the software center?
[01:31] <tatertots> because ur EOL and nothing new will ever make it's way to your EOL system
[01:32] <michaelrose> does ubuntu have a chat vs support channel to?
[01:32] <michaelrose> ok could have just joined ubuntu-chat oops nevermind
[01:33] <Bashing-om> michaelrose: Our chat is #ubuntu-offtopic .
[01:33] <michaelrose> thanks
[01:35] <tatertots_> I ordered a ubuntu tshirt today :)
[01:37] <Luximan> hi all, anyone with LXC/Ubuntu1604 experience here? I have a container set up and only lacking the config. to allow running Firefox/X on it. Tons of "documentation"/"tips" online, but have not found a solution that works yet.
[01:37] <virgoretti6> fuck it -_- can I install an os from an sd card?
[01:38] <xangua> If your system supports it
[01:38] <tatertots_> I install ubuntu from SDCARD's all the time....my optical discs would just end up in a land fill somewhere and probably wouldn't bio degrade
[01:39] <virgoretti6> I don't see my disc in my file manager...
[01:39] <tatertots_> ur sdcard isn't showing up in file manager eh?
[01:40] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please watch your language. Yes you can install from an SD card, as long as your boot firmware can boot from an SD card.
[01:40] <virgoretti6> it is, but I'm not sure an os would install from it on my computer
[01:40] <tatertots_> does your sdcard show up in fdisk and or gparted??
[01:40] <virgoretti6> i mean my cd
[01:41] <virgoretti6> my card is showing up in my file manager
[01:41] <tatertots_> well let's pic one of those two "medium" to use to install a supported OS
[01:42] <tatertots_> do u want to install via sdcard/usb or optical disc/dvd/cdrom
[01:42] <tatertots_> i'd use sdcard...let wear and tear on the mechanical motor of your dvd/cdrw drive
[01:43] <tatertots_> less wear and tear
[01:43] <virgoretti6> whatever will work. all that's showing up, though, is my sd card and my usb drive
[01:43] <virgoretti6> one of my usb drives*
[01:44] <tatertots_> cool ...so have you already obtained the ISO file ?
[01:44] <virgoretti6> the other isn't showing up :-/
[01:44] <virgoretti6> no
[01:44] <tatertots_> ah okay
[01:44] <tatertots_> let's head over to ubuntu.com and download a LTS version of ubuntu desktop
[01:44] <virgoretti6> how do I know whether I can install an os from what I'm trying to install it from?
[01:45] <tatertots_> most computer have a boot menu available during POST=power on self test
[01:45] <tatertots_> on DELL computers it's "F11" to reach boot menu during POST
[01:45] <tatertots_> on my HP laptop it's "F9" to reach the boot menu during post
[01:46] <tatertots_> if u look in the corners of your screen during POST you will see the key u need to press for boot menu
[01:46] <virgoretti6> can I check without rebooting? is there info about it somewhere on the internet?
[01:46] <tatertots_> tell me the make and model of your computer and i can probably tell u off the top of my head
[01:46] <tatertots_> DELL or HP?
[01:46] <virgoretti6> acer
[01:46] <tatertots_> home built computer?
[01:47] <virgoretti6> no
[01:47] <tatertots_> hmm acer...darn and i just worked on a acer the other week
[01:47] <tatertots_> do u know the model number ...if not no big deal i'll find it
[01:47] <virgoretti6> no
[01:48] <tatertots_> Acer boot menu is "F2"
[01:48] <tatertots_> you'll press "F2" during POST to enter the boot menu
[01:48] <tatertots_> here you will see all available boot options
[01:48] <Tin_man> on my acer it's function 12
[01:49] <virgoretti6> can I check what I can use to install an os without rebooting?
[01:49] <tatertots_> could be F2 or F12 it's model specific and you don't have enough info about ur own system so no you would have to reboot
[01:49] <Tin_man> but sure it's different for different models
[01:50] <virgoretti6> what info do you need?
[01:50] <tatertots_> to know ur systems boot menu key for %100 certain
[01:50] <tatertots_> make and model #
[01:50] <tatertots_> all u told us was it's an "acer"
[01:50] <virgoretti6> where can I find the model #?
[01:50] <tatertots_> acer made hundreds of different laptops/desktops
[01:51] <Luximan> virgoretti6: to enter the BIOS during boot if there is no indication on which F-key to use on that model, just "hammer" on both F2 + F9 and F10 + F12 multiple times for 5-10 seconds during startup, and if that does not work, whichever fits serves to activate it.
[01:51] <tatertots_> here run this lshw -html > systeminfo.html
[01:51] <Tin_man> might install hardinfo, and get it from that program..
[01:51] <tatertots_> with sudo of course
[01:51] <Luximan> virgoretti6: could be DEL as well, btw
[01:52] <tatertots_> either way you're getting ahead of yourself a bit...u need to download the ISO for a supported ubuntu LTS
[01:52] <tatertots_> then u need to find out what to do with this ISO file once u have it in hand
[01:53] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ why would I do that when I don't even know if it's going to work?
[01:53] <Tin_man> might be good to run hardinfo before downloading an iso, so you know the Ghz, and such..
[01:54] <Tin_man> might need a lighter version than Ubuntu, like lubuntu, or xubuntu
[01:54] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr".
[01:55] <virgoretti6> sudo: efibootmgr: command not found
[01:55] <tatertots_> you're going to have to follow somebody's instructions virgoretti6...unless u wanna go spend a few years studying to become a RHCE red hat certified engineer
[01:55] <virgoretti6> shit. I meant to paste a link
[01:57] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17780181/
[01:57] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Then you probably don't have a UEFI based machine, or re at least not booted via UEFI. Either way, running efibootmgr won't be helpful.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please run "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS" and tell us the output. (I'm guessing it will be "BIOS")
[01:58] <tatertots_> would u be willing to let one of us help u via teamviewer....could get u straighten out real quick
[01:59] <Tin_man> later all, hope you get it straightened out.
[02:00] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ yeah, how?
[02:00] <tatertots_> head over to teamviewer.com
[02:00] <tatertots_> click downloads at the top of page
[02:00] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U ucho UEFI gave me "UEFI" and echo BIOS gave me "BIOS"
[02:01] <virgoretti6> echo UEFI*
[02:01] <tatertots_> click linux/ubuntu which has the little cute penguin symbol
[02:02] <tatertots_> run the teamviewer and provide one of use in a private msg the ID#
[02:02] <thetrav> ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server, how do I instruct it to re-load the /etc/network/interfaces config?  To date I've been rebooting, however that's a very slow process for me
[02:02] <tatertots_> it supports voice also so u can ask questions or have dialog during the session
[02:03] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: You need to run exactly what I gave you, all on one line (not including the quotes).
[02:03] <thetrav> I specifically want it to use the /etc/network/interfaces config, rather than use the runtime config tools because I want to test my persistent config
[02:03] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U UEFI
[02:03] <Bashing-om> thetrav: " sudo service network-manager restart ' .
[02:04] <thetrav> thanks bashing-om
[02:04] <Bashing-om> thetrav: :)
[02:04] <tatertots_> just to find out his model number so he can know for certain what "button" to hit during post...
[02:05] <thetrav> Bashing-om: network-manager: unrecognized service
[02:05] <tatertots_> to reach the boot menu of his acer computer....
[02:07] <Jordan_U> tatertots_: We could also use efibootmgr to temporarily change the boot order. I don't have a strong preference one way or the other.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> thetrav: Ouch .. yeah on a server, NM is not installed .. .. try as ' sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup -v eth0 ' where 'ifconfig' to see the interface name ( eth0 ??) .
[02:07] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U I got "UEFI" when I ran that
[02:08] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: I saw that.
[02:08] <thetrav> Bashing-om that will only do it for individual interfaces right?  it won't validate the whole config file
[02:09] <tatertots_> if he knew his own computer model# we could just google it or RTFM =read the manual to find out the key for boot manager on his acer
[02:09] <tatertots_> hay there's an idea
[02:09] <tatertots_> virgoretti6 find the documentation for your computer and read it....it will tell u what key u need to press at boot time
[02:10] <tatertots_> RTFM
[02:10] <tatertots_> don't tell me u object to reading also
[02:11] <snufft> tatertots_: did you want to see this boot repair dump, or were you suggesting I post it? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/17780450/
[02:12] <nutz> hello
[02:12] <tatertots_> thanks snufft...i'm washing my hands of assisting virgoretti6...my pet peeve is end users that refuse to follow instructions
[02:13] <nutz> whois tatertots
[02:13] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ didn't I aready ask where I could find my model number?
[02:13] <Bashing-om> thetrav: Correct .. will work on that one interface ,, Right off the top of my head .. not comming up the with the init.d instance to start .
[02:15] <tatertots_> teamviewer ID# please ...if not i'm gonna make a pot of coffee brb
[02:16] <ubuntu-mate> hey
[02:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I installed teamviewer, but I don't know where it is...
[02:16] <ubuntu-mate> I need help with my Linux
[02:17] <tatertots_> just type "teamviewer" on command line
[02:18] <ubuntu-mate> Hey
[02:18] <tatertots_> hello ubuntu mate
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> ubuntu-mate, whats wrong?
[02:19] <tatertots_> aww he left
[02:19] <tatertots_> wth
[02:19] <Kr3L> I need help for configuration at transmission to download archive torrents
[02:20] <plop_its_ellie> Kr3L, configure what exactly?
[02:20] <Kr3L> For download speed the format torrents
[02:21] <Kr3L> My transmission is very slow
[02:21] <Kr3L> Im a noob in this OS
[02:21] <Kr3L> Is my firt time in this distro
[02:22] <plop_its_ellie> Kr3L, the speed is based on your internet connection and how much people are seeding the torrent you are trying to download
[02:22] <plop_its_ellie> it may pick up, it may not
[02:23] <plop_its_ellie> really depends, its not the fault of the OS or the client
[02:23] <virgoretti6> teamviewer apparently never installed, and I'm getting an error when I try to install it.
[02:23] <Kr3L> I know
[02:24] <Kr3L> WHat is best Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS our UBuntu 16.04 LTS?
[02:24] <tatertots_> double click the teamviewer file that you downloaded
[02:24] <virgoretti6> "Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.4)
[02:24] <virgoretti6> that's what I did
[02:24] <Bashing-om> !best | Kr3L
[02:24] <reisio> Kr3L: that'd depend on whether you wanted MATE (GNOME 2 fork) or GNOME 3/Unity out of the box
[02:25] <tatertots_> okay..then on the teamviewer site in the download section u were at...scroll down a bit and under "additional downloads" you'll see "teamviewer quick support"
[02:25] <Kr3L> My UBuntu Mte 16 is inestable
[02:25] <tatertots_> this is a portable, self contained version of teamviewer that does NOT need to be installed only executed
[02:26] <tatertots_> open teamviewer quick support and provide the ID# to myself or anyone else willing to assist u via teamviewer
[02:26] <tatertots_> here i'll see if i can post a direct link
[02:27] <tatertots_> just incase the layout of the website is confusing
[02:27] <tatertots_> got it
[02:27] <tatertots_> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:28] <tatertots_> run that
[02:32] <tatertots_> if u have issues running teamviewer quick support ur right back at needing to reinstall ur operating system...which has been already suggested to u countless times
[02:32] <tatertots_> feels like we went in a circle
[02:32] <Bray90820> Could I install ubuntu x86 or x64 on this device
[02:32] <Bray90820> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gole1-cheapest-windows10-intel-touch-mini-pc#/
[02:34] <cesurasean2> hi everyone
[02:34] <reisio> hi ces
[02:34] <cesurasean2> trusty is the newest ubuntu, correct?
[02:34] <cesurasean2> having trouble with drbd.
[02:34] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ no shit, that's what I'm trying to do
[02:34] <reisio> cesurasean2: nope
[02:35] <cesurasean2> whats the dev version?
[02:35] <cesurasean2> and what is latest stable version?
[02:35] <tatertots_> newest ubuntu    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[02:35] <reisio> 16.04 is latest stable
[02:35] <reisio> higher than that is "dev"
[02:35] <reisio> s/(stable)/"\1"/
[02:35] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I'd like to know whether it's going to work before I download anything
[02:36] <cesurasean2> what is name of 16.04?
[02:36] <tatertots_> how are you coming along with teamviewer quick support?
[02:36] <tatertots_> it's a small file
[02:36] <reisio> cesurasean2: the less useful codename?
[02:36] <cesurasean2> yes
[02:36] <reisio> cesurasean2: 'xenial xerus'
[02:36] <cesurasean2> so i can add to apt
[02:36] <cesurasean2> xenial?
[02:37] <reisio> not a lot of things with x-names out there
[02:37] <nutzdawg> hello
[02:37] <reisio> hi nut
[02:38] <cesurasean2> what do i need in my apt sources file?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> XenialXerus?
[02:38] <dm_comp> cesurasean2: Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus
[02:38] <cesurasean2> or xenial?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> what do i replace trusty with?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> just xenial?
[02:38] <virgoretti6> tatertots_  how can I install it?
[02:39] <tatertots_> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:39] <tatertots_> click it
[02:39] <virgoretti6> i did
[02:39] <tatertots_> did a download start? yes/no?
[02:39] <virgoretti6> i already downloaded it
[02:39] <virgoretti6> how can I install it?
[02:40] <tatertots_> open the file
[02:40] <virgoretti6> with what
[02:40] <tatertots_> it's in /home/virgoretti6/Downloads
[02:41] <virgoretti6> I opened it with the archive manager and got a folder
[02:41] <tatertots_> extract this folder or just go inside that folder
[02:41] <tatertots_> its a gzipped tarball....think of a zip file i the windows 7 world
[02:42] <tatertots_> in the windows 7 world
[02:43] <tatertots_> unzip it to reveal the folder u see or just click the folder and the app will try to unzip "automagically"
[02:43] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I never really use desktop/laptop computers either way, but I do have a feeling that one with Windows would be much easier to use than this...
[02:44] <plop_its_ellie> whats going on????
[02:44] <tatertots_> did u go into the teamviewer folder?
[02:44] <tatertots_> and or extract teamviewer with that little "extract" button/option
[02:45] <plop_its_ellie> using ubuntu is no harder than using windows or os x, tho if you a swithcing to a whole new platform of course some things will be different
[02:45] <tatertots_> I turned my dad on to linux years ago......big mistake...windows is better for some ppl
[02:46] <tatertots_> my dad is one of those ppl
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots_, i can take it from here
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> whats going on
[02:46] <Blue1> my Mom is 87 and has been using xubuntu for 7 years
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> I work in a computer repair shop and I switch peole over to linux...
[02:46] <virgoretti6> I got it working
[02:47] <plop_its_ellie> Blue1, exactly
[02:47] <tatertots_> he has downloaded teamviewer quick support via  https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:47] <plop_its_ellie> why does he need temviewer?
[02:48] <OerHeks> to upgrade his ancient vivid 15.04
[02:48] <tatertots_> PEBKAC errors on his linux box
[02:48] <plop_its_ellie> do a clean install
[02:48] <plop_its_ellie> PEBKAC errors?
[02:48] <tatertots_> google it
[02:50] <plop_its_ellie> heh nothing
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> but i recommend backing up your data then doing a fresh install
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> no matter what os you are on
[02:51] <tatertots_> he's gun shy to reinstall
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> wgy?
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> *why
[02:52] <tatertots_> good question plop....beats me
[02:52] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: In the future, if you do decide to stick with Ubuntu, I would recommend that you keep to the long term support releases so that you're less likely to get into this EOL sitution.
[02:53] <plop_its_ellie> also, I recommend just sticking to lts relases in production for better stability and less hassling with upgrades
[02:53] <plop_its_ellie> yea the normal releases only get 9 months support
[02:53] <tatertots_> i was gonna teamviewer with him and help out but that was even a uphill battle
[02:54] <plop_its_ellie> you shoulda just told him to suck it up, do a data backup and upgrade and just use lts releases
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> but yea i work at a computer repair shop, some users can be quite difficult to deal with...
[02:55] <tatertots_> ppl have been telling him that all day
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> so i understand
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots_, oh
[03:03] <virgoretti6> my computer just froze up, so I rebooted it again. It wiped itself aas always.
[03:03] <virgoretti6> as*
[03:04] <tatertots_> well here's the teamviewer quick support link https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[03:04] <dr3gs> lolwat
[03:04] <tatertots_> unzip it and run it
[03:06] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Wiped itself?
[03:06] <virgoretti6> yeah
[03:06] <OerHeks> meh, there is a https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb too, but i don't trust teamviewer
[03:06] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: What do you mean by "wiped itself"?
[03:07] <virgoretti6> Is this going to let you control my computer or just see what's on my screen?
[03:07] <virgoretti6> It's always as if it's a new os whenever I reboot my computer
[03:07] <dr3gs> weird
[03:08] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Do you enter a password to log in, or does it boot all the way to the desktop without loggin in?
[03:08] <tatertots_> view and if you want the remote person to have control you have to grant it
[03:09] <dr3gs> sounds like its booting from a Live CD still
[03:11] <tatertots_> i offered to teamviewer if u r not going to run it say so, so i can wash my hands already
[03:11] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U shit, nvm. I keep forgetting that something weird happened with my hard drive (I don't  remember what) ages ago and I've been running from the cd without installing the os since then.
[03:11] <OerHeks> ...
[03:11] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ yeah, I've got it running
[03:12] <tatertots_> provide me the ID# via private message please
[03:12] <virgoretti6> OerHeks as I said, I don't remember why I've been doing that, so I'll try to install a new os
[03:12] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ how
[03:13] <tatertots_> you said "i have teamviewer running".........what visual indicator makes u think you have it "running"?
[03:13] <tatertots_> because when u run teamviewer a blue window displays a ID#
[03:13] <virgoretti6> the window titled TeamViewer
[03:13] <virgoretti6> yeah, that
[03:13] <tatertots_> what's the ID#
[03:14] <dr3gs> was i right? lol
[03:14] <Romme> why is Avahi complaining even though my domain is not ".local"?
[03:15] <Romme> i didn't have any domain suffix in the dhcp server and it complained
[03:15] <Romme> i set a domain suffix in hopes the home router has dnsmasq and it still complains
[03:16] <virgoretti6> 567 778 342
[03:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots_
[03:17] <tatertots_> now the PIN#
[03:17] <reisio> don't um
[03:17] <reisio> don't do that :p
[03:17] <reisio> at least not in public
[03:18] <Romme> who cares
[03:18] <virgoretti6> me
[03:18] <OerHeks> if you loose it, this channel is logged
[03:19] <tatertots_> send me the PIN# via private msg
[03:19] <dr3gs> the PIN changes every time right? or not..
[03:20] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ how
[03:20] <reisio> dr3gs: not
[03:20] <tatertots_> it's below the number u sent a second ago
[03:20] <reisio> and even if it did, there's no guarantee as to who would log in first
[03:20] <reisio> moreover, teamviewer pins are super tiny
[03:20] <tatertots_> place ur eyes on the ID# u sent a bit ago...now look downward
[03:21] <reisio> just giving out the number for logging in is a big mistake :p
[03:21] <tatertots_> there is a 4 digit number
[03:21] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ no shit
[03:21] <reisio> right, that's not a lot of combinations
[03:21] <tatertots_> provide me that 4 digit number via private message
[03:21] <OerHeks> no harm will be done on a live-iso, reisio :-D
[03:21] <virgoretti6> I don't know how to pm
[03:21] <tatertots_> oh
[03:21] <virgoretti6> place your eyes on the letter p
[03:21] <tatertots_> u know i've never pm'd here myself
[03:21] <virgoretti6> then on the letter m
[03:22] <OerHeks>  /msg tatertots_ 1234
[03:22] <virgoretti6> oh
[03:22] <tatertots_> ah thanks Oerkeks
[03:22] <tatertots_> the syntax to private msg is /msg username <your msg text>
[03:22] <tatertots_> minux the < and > of course
[03:23] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please be sure to send a test private message before sending the password, to avoid accidentally sending the password to this public channel.
[03:24] <yon> I just made a USB disk using that Windows program to install xubuntu lts, but on boot it gives me some minimal bash-like line editing thing rather than a menu. What do? (I'm on my phone)
[03:24] <dr3gs> make a new USB
[03:24] <dr3gs> use Rufus
[03:25] <yon> What's rufus
[03:25] <plop_its_ellie> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[03:25] <dr3gs> a windows program that makes usb installers
[03:26] <OerHeks> rufus explained here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[03:26] <winston2k> yon: try typing "live" at the promt
[03:28] <StyxAlso> Okay, perhaps an easier question. How do I use a keyboard shortcut to move a window from one screen to another when I'm using two screens?
[03:29] <Guest90736> hi
[03:29] <Jordan_U> StyxAlso: In many window managers, ctrl+alt+shift+arrow keys.
[03:29] <Guest90736> how to change nickname
[03:30] <Jordan_U> StyxAlso: Sorry, that was for virtual desktops, I think I misunderstood your question.
[03:30] <yon> Type /Nick newnick
[03:30] <Jordan_U> Guest90736: type "/nick new_nick_here" (without the quotes)
[03:30] <StyxAlso> Jordan_U: Doesn't work for me
[03:30] <Guest90736> thanks
[03:30] <StyxAlso> Using the default Ubuntu 16.04 settings.
[03:30] <yon> winston2k: I already cleared the USB drive, but will try if that happens on my second attempt
[03:30] <yon> Thanks
[03:31] <yon> plop_its_ellie: dr3gs: thanks
[03:31] <plop_its_ellie> :)
[03:32] <yon> I was having trouble installing mint on this laptop earlier so I'll probably be a bother for a bit. Sry in advance
[03:33] <alex_z> bye-bye
[03:34] <StyxAlso> Jordan_U: Okay. I have a dual monitor setup.
[03:35] <StyxAlso> I want to move windows from one monitor to the other without having to reach for the mouse.
[03:35] <yon> Ugh I'm getting the same thing and "live" can't be found
[03:35] <Jordan_U> yon: What iso did you download?
[03:36] <tathagata> mint 17.2?
[03:36] <yon> I thought it was xubuntu x64 but let me check
[03:36] <Jordan_U> tathagata: This channel only supports Ubuntu.
[03:37] <yon> Mint uses spotchat. Try #linuxmint-help there
[03:37] <tathagata> no someone had problem installing mint that's what I asked. "which version". sorry
[03:38] <yon> xubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:38] <yon> @Jordan_U:
[03:38] <Jordan_U> yon: Do you see any error messages before being dropped to the grub shell?
[03:38] <yon> None
[03:38] <yon> Not even a menu asking what to boot into
[03:39] <yon> (grub menu)
[03:40] <tathagata> has the installation wizard started?
[03:41] <vincent42> hi all, something is really puzzling me with  cron
[03:41] <yon> Nothing
[03:41] <vincent42> there's this in /etc/crontab :
[03:41] <vincent42> 47 6	* * 7	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
[03:41] <vincent42> it should mean that the weekly script run on sunday, but in reality it runs on friday
[03:41] <tathagata> yon: there you will get options "try xubuntu" and "install xubuntu".
[03:42] <yon> tathagata: I know what you been, i've installed Ubuntu lots. I'm just not seeing that at all
[03:42] <yon> *mean
[03:43] <tathagata> yon: it is not booting? right?
[03:43] <yon> Not at all
[03:44] <tathagata> yon: you're using a USB thumb drive burnt using unetbootin?
[03:44] <plop_its_ellie> just use dd
[03:44] <yon> Using rufus
[03:45] <fishcooker> i want to know comparison in byte size pureftpd between vsftp and all dependencies packages.. is it possible to know the both total size required with apt/dpkg?
[03:46] <theorem> curious
[03:47]  * jamesd hmmm this is the 21st century...  TB drives are cheap.. what does a couple MB matter?  use the one that has the features you need.
[03:47] <theorem> any ideas why the ubuntu 16.04 network manager would take a long time to bring the network up ?
[03:48] <theorem> I can see that the network is up from the CLI ... but the network manager in the GUI seems to be blocking things somehow
[03:48] <WhiteNight> Hey guys, I am not able to join Ubuntu OffTopic .. sorry for pasting it here, can someone guide, thanks?
[03:49] <jamesd> theorem: try nslookup   your-ip-address   ; see if its slow...  some network programs do  reverse dns lookups to get your hostname making them slow if reverse dns isn't working
[03:51] <theorem> jamesd: it's very odd.  I see the OS get an IP address from CLI.  I have an app that hits the network as soon as the machine boots to the desktop (Kodi) and it complains that there is no network until the GUI Ubuntu Network Manager says that it has a connection.
[03:51] <theorem> but .. I can clearly see that the box has an IP address and ping things from CLI
[03:51] <theorem> do you have any idea what the "network connections" GUI tool is called ?
[03:52] <theorem> looks like "NetworkManager" ?
[03:52] <tathagata> yon: you try dd. just run "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=64M" first remove the drive replug it format it with gnome disk the without mounting run "sudo fsck /dev/sdb" mount the drive then run "sudo dd if= filename with path of=/dev/sdb bs=16M
[03:53] <tathagata> yon: hope that works
[03:55] <dr3gs> Anybody running Ubuntu MATE?
[03:55] <theorem> jamesd: will try via vnc ...
[03:56] <tathagata> yon: the first command takes time to run (~30-40 min).
[03:59] <michaelrose> does anyone have any experience with voice recognition software in linux?
[04:02] <michaelrose> basically want something that can handle voice to text so that my wife, who has bad arthritus in her hands can talk instead of type
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: interesting one.
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: that's a tricky one.
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: the test-to-speech options of Android might be better. (to be honest)
[04:04] <theorem> you can run Android as a desktop .. but there are some rough edges.
[04:04] <michaelrose> I guess thats a possability but seems very non optimal
[04:04] <theorem> what kind if work does she need to do ?
[04:05] <theorem> web searching ?
[04:05] <theorem> typing ?
[04:05] <theorem> (ie: document creation?)
[04:05] <qaz> When will Ubuntu stop using X?
[04:05] <somsip> !mir | qaz
[04:05] <michaelrose> when they pry it from my cold dead hands
[04:06] <theorem> X is quite good
[04:06] <jamesd> x is quite old, and was written in a time before anyone knew about security. or worried about it.
[04:07] <theorem> jamesd: which is why you secure it through a secure tunnel :)
[04:07] <michaelrose> she mainly uses her web browser, work processor, looks at and saves her photos, occasionally plays games but much less now because her hands hurt
[04:07] <jamesd> theorem: what about on a shared server.
[04:07] <theorem> michaelrose: the chrome web browser has a voice plugin
[04:07] <michaelrose> thats worth checking out
[04:08] <theorem> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2940021?hl=en
[04:08] <theorem> it hears "Ok Google"
[04:09] <haohao> How to diable CPU parking on the Ubuntu?
[04:09] <theorem> parking ?
[04:09] <haohao> Yes
[04:09] <theorem> what is it
[04:09] <jamesd> help my dual socket server is double parked ;-p
[04:09] <theorem> ?
[04:09] <haohao> http://askubuntu.com/questions/185826/does-ubuntu-support-core-parking
[04:10] <theorem> parked
[04:10] <theorem> hahahaha
[04:10] <theorem> that's called C-states. son.  :)
[04:10] <haohao> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvDVZg6C58&feature=youtu.be
[04:10] <theorem> Linux has had it for ages.
[04:11] <theorem> if you want to juice your box, tweak the BIOS to disable C-states.
[04:11] <theorem> then you're at 100% all the time on all cores.
[04:11] <jamesd> but linux may not force idle cpus to hlt providing best power usage patterns...
[04:12] <theorem> if you want to drive it from the OS, or punch the speed-stepping to go above 100% on some cores, tweak the cpu governors
[04:12] <theorem> jamesd: he wants it off.
[04:12] <qaz> get a 10 core I7
[04:12] <haohao> I instaled Intel CPU driver
[04:12] <michaelrose> optimally I wanted to be able to run a program and have her voice immediately placed in the app as if it was typed, the chrome extension seems to have a few different difficencies
[04:12] <qaz> only 1700 dollars
[04:12] <theorem> michaelrose: there's not one I am aware of that acts as a "keyboard"
[04:12] <michaelrose> one its likely leaking everything you type as its done over the internet
[04:13] <jamesd> qaz: i have a quad core i7, and a dual socket 6x core box.. so i have 12 real cores, or 24 cores with HT  :-)
[04:13] <haohao> What with youtube video?
[04:13] <theorem> jamesd: you have only 12 real cores, don't fool yourself.
[04:13] <haohao> Can I do it in Ubuntu?
[04:13] <theorem> haohao: do what ?
[04:13] <michaelrose> HT != cores
[04:13] <somsip> michaelrose: have a read through this in case it offers somethinghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility#Voice_Recognition
[04:14] <haohao> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvDVZg6C58&feature=youtu.be
[04:14] <theorem> why am I watching a youtube video ?
[04:14] <jamesd> theorem: depends on the work load most of the time my systems never really push the cpus hard... so it doesn't matter my esxi box actually only has a single 6x core cpu and its never above 30% used...
[04:14] <michaelrose> installing simon
[04:15] <theorem> jamesd: depends how often you're polling it .. I bet it's hitting peaks in there on small timelines.
[04:15] <qaz> maybe zen can drive down cpu prices
[04:15] <bildz> !BIGUPS
[04:15] <haohao> How to install RT?
[04:15] <jamesd> theorem: true.. but over time its rarely above 30%...   using vmware esxi monitoring tools.
[04:15] <reisio> haohao: rt?
[04:15] <haohao> rt kernel
[04:15] <reisio> ah
[04:16] <theorem> haohao: tell me what you're trying to do, I'm not going to sit through a pick apart a windows youtube video
[04:16] <reisio> haohao: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime might get you started
[04:16] <theorem> jamesd: vmware missed a few tricks too monitoring at millisecond granularity .. but I digress.
[04:16] <reisio> haohao: all your really need is to build one and boot it, or find one and boot it
[04:16] <reisio> versions/builds of Linux are pretty much interchangeable with any GNU userland
[04:17] <theorem> real time
[04:17] <theorem> hmm
[04:17] <theorem> real time kernels kinda died when RH quit pushing MRG.
[04:17] <tumtoes> How would you play steam games that don't support linux?
[04:17] <qaz> 4.0 has live patching
[04:18] <haohao> playonlinux
[04:18] <theorem> limited benefit over standard kernels unless you measure in the microseconds.
[04:18] <tumtoes> I'm on a virtual machine right now, just checking out Ubuntu before I make the switch. So I'll be asking some questions
[04:18] <jamesd> the question becomes do you really want Real Time or  just low latency,  RT claim to fame was always responding to things in the same amount of time no matter what the cpu is doing,  where as low latency gives you a faster response most of the time.
[04:18] <reisio> tumtoes: like which games?
[04:19] <theorem> haohao: you want to disable C-states in your BIOS.  then you want to install the cpu governors.
[04:19] <theorem> sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils
[04:19] <theorem> then spelunk through : /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[04:20] <theorem> pick the scaling governor you want.   or set the minimum freq to the maximum.
[04:20] <theorem> verify with /proc/cpuinfo
[04:20] <haohao> I want remove it all
[04:20] <theorem> and compile pcm from Intel to confirm : https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-performance-counter-monitor
[04:20] <theorem> remove what ?
[04:20] <theorem> power management is a good thing.
[04:21] <qaz> ./configure
[04:21] <qaz> make
[04:21] <qaz> make install
[04:21] <haohao> I do not want to overclock the processor
[04:22] <theorem> yes, so ... what are you trying to do again ?  :)
[04:23] <haohao> sudo apt install linux-image-rt
[04:23] <theorem> I don;t think you need a realtime kernel.
[04:24] <haohao> Црн,
[04:24] <haohao> Why?
[04:24] <theorem> you'll get less performance for everyday tasks with a RT kernel.
[04:25] <theorem> the trade off is determinism.
[04:25] <haohao> And for KVM?
[04:25] <theorem> ok, so , this is a KVM host ?
[04:25] <haohao> I installed Ubuntu for  KVM
[04:25] <theorem> KVM is a Red Hat thing.
[04:25] <haohao> cool
[04:26] <haohao> Need RT for KVM or not?
[04:26] <akik> kvm is a linux kernel thing
[04:26] <haohao> And?
[04:26] <reisio> haohao: no
[04:27] <akik> so it's not resticted to red hat
[04:27] <theorem> akik: I guess I'm crossing wires with who has been selling KVM hard.
[04:27] <reisio> I think someonen already mentioned, you don't really need realtime, almost ever, basically
[04:27]  * theorem nods with reisio 
[04:27] <rangita> haoaho, i have to ask: what are you actually trying to DO? What is your goal that you think a realtime kernel will help with?
[04:27] <reisio> it's also easy to confuse kvm and qemu
[04:27] <reisio> kvm and qemu don't help things by constantly changing names to/from one another :p
[04:28] <theorem> reisio: I think haohao just wants to "go fast"
[04:28] <theorem> reisio: but I'm not hearing the workload he wants to accelerate ...
[04:28] <reisio> :p
[04:29] <theorem> haohao: different workloads are accelerated differently.  so you tune / optimize for each one separately.
[04:29] <michaelrose> if anyone has used simon is opencv or julius better for recognition?
[04:29] <theorem> haohao: you can very easily make system performance worse
[04:30] <haohao> ok
[04:30] <reisio> michaelrose: voice recognition?
[04:30] <reisio> michaelrose: chances are they all use the same backend
[04:30] <reisio> in which case the differences would only be in how intuitive the GUIs are
[04:30] <qaz> virtualbox is better than wine if you have the ram for it
[04:31] <michaelrose> its a singular gui which can use multiple backends
[04:32] <reisio> a VM will only be "better" (for most games) if you have the specific hardware support
[04:32] <reisio> michaelrose: what is?
[04:32] <theorem> haohao: so if I wanted to optimize for a database, I might optimize disk accesses by touching the size of memory blocks and interrupts for disks - moving them closer to the processes that are operating on the I/O from disks.
[04:33] <theorem> or if there's a lot of inter-process chatter, I would move these processes close to one another to share L1, L2, L3 cache
[04:34] <haohao> ok
[04:34] <haohao> I want dark theme
[04:34] <theorem> if there's a lot of network traffic I would move the interrupts based on the PCIE controller that is handling the traffic and move processes closer to that CPU dedicated to handling the interrupts -- possible disabling MSI-X
[04:34] <theorem> dark theme ?
[04:34]  * theorem chuckles with reisio 
[04:34] <rangita> "dark theme"??
[04:34] <theorem> what's that ?
[04:34] <qaz> like in a gui
[04:35] <theorem> hehe
[04:35] <theorem> are we being trolled ?
[04:35] <haohao> Dark theme in Ubuntu like in KDE
[04:35] <reisio> I'm sure you can have whatever it is you want, but trying to have it all this particular moment in time is likely not going to work out
[04:35] <haohao> How to install and what the best?
[04:35] <neil_> I want to put a new partition table on a USB pendrive... using fdisk I have the option of GPT,SGI,DOS or Sun .... which should I use?
[04:35] <qaz> When will ubuntu use RPM?
[04:35] <theorem> haohao: you realize you're talking about the paint on a car and I am describing the inner workings of the engine ?
[04:36] <neil_> qaz probably never
[04:36] <Jordan_U> neil_: I would recommend GPT, and honestly you're probably better off using GParted than fdisk.
[04:36] <haohao> I not want compile kernel by manualy
[04:36] <michaelrose> reisio, its called simon
[04:36] <neil_> Jordan_U, ok
[04:37] <haohao> I can crash Ubuntu
[04:37] <michaelrose> interface is fairly confusing
[04:37] <theorem> haohao: I'll be ignoring you until you can coherently describe your goal.
[04:37] <qaz> cgdisk
[04:37] <qaz> mkfs.ext4
[04:37] <haohao> No cry please
[04:37] <haohao> I installed Ubuntu first time
[04:38] <qaz> use ext4
[04:39] <reisio> I guess sphinx and julius are alternatives
[04:40] <rangita> haohao: you've asked how to install a realtime kernel, which is a very specific thing used to achieve very narrow specific performance goals, then you've switched to asking how to make your GUI look darker, which is entirely separate, so now we're very confused about what you're trying to achieve.
[04:40] <reisio> julius has its own license
[04:40] <reisio> so I'm guessing it's worse
[04:40] <reisio> although if it's from Japan...
[04:40] <reisio> a place where speech recognition would matter more...
[04:40] <haohao> I have a many questions
[04:41] <reisio> haohao: prove it
[04:41] <haohao> Ubuntu Tweak?
[04:41] <theorem> haohao: focus on one at a time and we can help.
[04:41] <neil_> I am having trouble with "startup disk creator"  when using the "Erase Disk" button I get the error message "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_block'"
[04:42] <haohao> You said no need rt ok no need rt
[04:42] <haohao> Now Dark Theme please
[04:42] <theorem> reisio: how far along is btrfs lately ?
[04:42] <qaz> Is there a ubuntu install that comes with cinnamon
[04:42] <theorem> qaz: cinnamon is a wm right ?
[04:42] <sponix> qaz: Yeah --> Linux Mint :)
[04:43] <theorem> that's probably a package....
[04:43] <haohao> Why no DE?
[04:43] <reisio> theorem: farther along than it was?
[04:43] <theorem> reisio: I mean -- is it stable enough to be used in production now ?  any chance of displacing ZFS ?
[04:43] <theorem> or is ZFS on Linux taking steps to displace ?
[04:44] <theorem> I have a soft spot for ZFS on Linux ...
[04:44] <theorem> used ZFS back when it was Sun....
[04:44]  * theorem wipes a tear away
[04:44] <haohao> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found E: Failed to fetch h
[04:44] <neil_> I am using ZFS atm
[04:44] <haohao> How to remove it now?
[04:44] <reisio> theorem: yeah people use it, and it's /certain/ to displace zfs
[04:45] <reisio> because zfs has an intolerable license
[04:45] <theorem> oh, what's the license ?
[04:45] <theorem> (never looked)
[04:45] <reisio> the license is not gpl, mit, apache, or bsd
[04:45] <haohao> sudo remove-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa hey?
[04:45] <reisio> which makes it intolerable
[04:45] <theorem> ah ... well ..
[04:46] <reisio> better licensed software always wins out in the end
[04:46] <theorem> reisio: it appears to be CDDL
[04:46] <reisio> yup
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> what i dont understand is why zfs cant be shipped with a linux distro but binary blobs on android devices can
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> which are proprietary
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> seems like a double standard
[04:47] <theorem> plop_its_ellie: I think zfs can be added with a PPA
[04:47] <reisio> plop_its_ellie: but what now?
[04:47] <neil_> plop_its_ellie, zfs is in the repository as of 16.04
[04:47] <haohao> I have question
[04:47] <theorem> CDDL isn;t too bad ... on reading it, it's not viral.
[04:47] <haohao> How to remove bad ppa and program from it?
[04:47] <reisio> the CDDL is designed to stir crap
[04:47] <plop_its_ellie> neil_, yea i know, but someone said thats its incompatible with linux
[04:47] <plop_its_ellie> as far as licensing goes
[04:48] <neil_> plop_its_ellie, the universe repository if I remember correctly
[04:48] <theorem> reisio: hmm, I have not heard this before.
[04:48] <jamesd> reisio: oh the mozilla public license was designed to stir crap, that is what its based on.
[04:48] <plop_its_ellie> yea, its quite handy having it in the repos
[04:48] <theorem> 'stir crap' ??
[04:48] <plop_its_ellie> reisio, the guy at sun gave a talk, he said they went that route so they can ship binary blobs in solaris
[04:49] <jamesd> CDDL was designed to deal with an issue that Sun had that would of prevented them from opensourcing solaris if they had to use GPL.
[04:49] <reisio> plop_its_ellie: right it was exclusionist
[04:49] <reisio> back when Sun still thought it had a future
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> ...
[04:49] <reisio> jamesd: yup
[04:49] <theorem> jamesd: hmm, isn;t that was BSD is designed to do ? (basically)
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> its all open source
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> i dont want to sling poop about licenses
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> poop slinging is nasty anyways
[04:50] <jamesd> plop_its_ellie: at the time, Solaris had code they didnt' have the right to distribute in there source code,  GPL requires all code to be GPL.
[04:50] <theorem> well, I think Oracle's days are numbered.  big databases are sailing away to free ones in a big way and cloud providers are all too happy to help.
[04:50] <abhishek__> any alternatives to spotify on linux? Tired of the bugs :/
[04:50] <theorem> GPL is viral and kinda nasty about it actually.
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> jamesd, yea, i know
[04:51] <theorem> abhishek__: try Pandora
[04:51] <jamesd> theorem: have you checked there sales results...  there cloud bussiness is growing 30-40% quater over qrarter, and 80% year over year and expanding.
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> man too bad grooveshark is gone
[04:51] <neil_> I am having trouble with "startup disk creator"  when using the "Erase Disk" button I get the error message "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_block'"
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> that site was awesome
[04:51] <reisio> jamesd: presumably he meant as a db business
[04:51] <abhishek__> theorem, does it have linux supported client?
[04:51] <theorem> abhishek__: you just need a browser.
[04:51] <reisio> selling the "cloud" is easy for anybody, because it's nothing at all
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> there is one called pithos
[04:51] <qaz> java is the most used language in the world
[04:52] <jamesd> reisio: same thing.. they are just renting the software montly instead of selling the software and support yearly.
[04:52] <theorem> reisio: the cloud is just "someone else's hardware".
[04:52] <reisio> qaz: I wonder if that's still as true
[04:52] <reisio> theorem: right, it's not anything we didn't have before we had it
[04:52] <michaelrose> theorem, you mean its viral in that you can't benefit from others work by releasing a closed source fork?
[04:52] <neil_> I use postgresql ... has all the needed features for business.
[04:52] <theorem> jamesd: there is a lot of shadow on the Oracle cloud DB right now ... even the CEO says so -- let me dig up the quote
[04:52] <haohao> Ubuntu will create swap if will need it?
[04:53] <reisio> michaelrose: viral in that gpl software is generally meant to beget only gpl software
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> haohao, it creates a swap partition at install
[04:53] <reisio> that is, the whole point is to force the software to always be "free"
[04:53] <theorem> michaelrose: meaning that it takes precendence over closed-source works when the GPL and closed source licenses are combined -- ie:  it eats other software.
[04:53] <theorem> or - infects it.
[04:53] <haohao> I not created
[04:54] <jamesd> theorem: note.. Larry Ellison is my bosses, bosses, bosses, boss, yes i'm an employee of the oracle cloud...  we are using and selling tons of Exadata plus ZFS applances....
[04:54] <michaelrose> its impossible for a lincence to be viral it doesn't "infect" the other portion of your code and you are free to replace it with code you have written
[04:54] <haohao> noobslab.com?
[04:54] <theorem> jamesd: interesting.
[04:55] <michaelrose> you just aren't free to keep distributing others code
[04:55] <michaelrose> incidentally simon is horribly unintuitive
[04:55] <theorem> jamesd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
[04:56] <michaelrose> been playing with it feeding it text to train, teaching it words etc for 15 minutes and still don't know how to make it recognize text
[04:56] <michaelrose> recognize speech that is
[04:56] <jamesd> teward: that is 8 years ago... they were still ramping up...  18 datacenter, 30k customers, and 200,000 vms later .. is today.
[04:57] <theorem> jamesd: I just liked hearing the bits towards the end
[04:57] <theorem> jamesd: fun talk about how to pitch it.
[04:57] <jamesd> expecting to hit  300,000 in the next 6 months.
[04:57] <abhishek__> theorem, I am looking for client, which minimizes to system tray.
[04:57] <haohao> Can I to install it? http://www.noobslab.com/2015/09/do-you-like-windows-10-look-but-love.html
[04:58] <theorem> abhishek__: how about a chrome window that minimizes to tray ?  :)  I bet there's a chrome plugin to drive pandora somewhere ...
[04:58] <jamesd> okay i must sleep.. the cloud needs help to stay afloat ;-)
[04:58] <theorem> jamesd: :)
[04:59] <theorem> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/17/oracle_q4_fy16_and_full_fy_results/
[04:59] <abhishek__> theorem, will check thanks. I was though looking for an unofficial spotify client.
[05:00] <theorem> abhishek__: there is a spotify plugin for Kodi that is pretty nice -- their API requires you to be a paying customer though.
[05:00] <abhishek__> theorem, what is kodi?
[05:00] <qaz> is it possible to make linux look like windows
[05:00] <michaelrose> its possible to make linux look like anything
[05:01] <theorem> abhishek__: a media player
[05:01] <michaelrose> you should check out kdelook or gnomelook if you like if you search for the word windows you will find icon and other themes devoted to looking like windows
[05:01] <michaelrose> how exactly you theme stuff depends on what sort of interface you are using
[05:02] <michaelrose> and not all environments are as configurable as others
[05:02] <abhishek__> theorem, oh, looks good but I don't have premium account
[05:02] <michaelrose> but the good news is that you have your pick of quite a few different desktop environments on linux
[05:02] <theorem> abhishek__: yeah - so , the linux client seems to work OK for me, what's happening to yours ?
[05:03] <abhishek__> segfaults
[05:03] <theorem> abhishek__: that's weird -- any idea what triggers it ?  did you report the errors ?
[05:03] <theorem> try running from command line and snagging STDOUT
[05:03] <abhishek__> I searched online seems they have no support, is there an active repo.?
[05:04] <theorem> abhishek__: I grabbed the latest from their site many months ago .. let me see ..
[05:04] <abhishek__> theorem, it's for playing some songs, no idea to what triggers.
[05:04] <theorem> abhishek__:  https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
[05:04] <theorem> have the latest from the repo ?
[05:05] <abhishek__> theorem, I mean some github repo where I can raise a issue. This doesn't inspire hope http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/spotify-linux-no-development
[05:05] <theorem> looks like all help requests are funneled through the community : https://community.spotify.com/
[05:06] <theorem> abhishek__: bummer -- looks like spotify has a web player though.  nearly as good.
[05:07] <theorem> people are tired of installing deployed software
[05:07] <theorem> it's an old gig right now -- web tech is really hot.  so that's where people are leaning towards - browsers to drive everything.  everything JS.
[05:12] <michaelrose> ok so the most recent release of simon is actually from 3 years ago
[05:12] <reisio> frontend
[05:12] <carpediembaby> Hello, can someone help me do an scp from a remote host through a proxy. I connect to the internet through a passwordless proxy. I tried following the example on this link: http://superuser.com/questions/174160/scp-over-a-proxy-with-one-command-from-local-machine but it seems it doesn't work without a password.
[05:12] <michaelrose> and doesn't actually do anything but let you trigger commands by voice it doesn't actually support dictation
[05:13] <michaelrose> there is some work on its src but it makes me wonder if the project is effectively dead
[05:13] <Obongo> i mounted my TrueCrypt partition with zuluCrypt, but I see two enormous files and only one of them is legit, but I'm afraid to delete the other one, don't want to corrupt the first
[05:13] <Obongo> The hard drive is not big enough to contain those two items... One of them is a ghost
[05:14] <Obongo> which came about during some prior mishap. Any way I can know if it's safe to delete?
[05:14] <theorem> carpediembaby: can you establish something like a reverse proxy ?  or can you use something like this ?  : https://daniel.haxx.se/docs/sshproxy.html
[05:15] <carpediembaby> Here is the content of .ssh/config and the output: http://pastebin.com/WURJ0XQy
[05:15] <Obongo> http://pastebin.com/iSU7dS18
[05:15] <theorem> carpediembaby: you want to use the HTTP/HTTPS proxy to establish a connection ?
[05:16] <theorem> the other tool you can use is called "corkscrew"
[05:16] <carpediembaby> theorem: I don't have control (root) over the proxy or the remote host so I doubt that I will be able to open any ports
[05:17] <theorem> carpediembaby: does the remote host has port 443 open ?  or only port 22 ?
[05:17] <theorem> if it's only port 22, you're probably screwed because the proxy is not going to let you connect to that port #
[05:18] <qaz> port 22 is ftp
[05:18] <theorem> this means you need an itermediary box where you can connect to port 443.
[05:18] <carpediembaby> theorem: yes. I am sitting behind a http proxy through which I have access to internet. ssh works just fine So: "ssh rebond -X -o "ProxyCommand=nc -X connect -x 172.17.31.1:8080 %h %p"" works just fine
[05:18] <theorem> 20/21 is FTP
[05:18] <theorem> 22 is SSH
[05:18] <theorem> SCP used SSH.
[05:18] <theorem> *uses
[05:19] <barki_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-27-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-64 (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.10GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.9GiB, 39.7% free ** Disk: Total: 290.6GiB, 42.4% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI ** Ethernet: 645 NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet
[05:19] <barki_> PCIe ** Uptime: 1h 3m 10s **
[05:19] <carpediembaby> theorem I don't know which ports are open
[05:19] <haohao> Where can I see deb package thant i installed?
[05:19] <haohao> from ppa
[05:20] <theorem> carpediembaby: oh, then scp should also work if you can ssh -- you may want to open a tunnel with ssh and connect scp to the ssh session if it's working.
[05:20] <theorem> scp would connect to the loopback and a port of your choice.
[05:21] <carpediembaby> theorem, can you point me to some guide?
[05:21] <theorem> http://blog.trackets.com/2014/05/17/ssh-tunnel-local-and-remote-port-forwarding-explained-with-examples.html
[05:22] <theorem> carpediembaby: since scp and the tunnel would double-encrypt the traffic, you may want to consider somethng like rcp instead of scp.
[05:22] <michaelrose> now this looks interesting http://thenerdshow.com/freespeech.html
[05:23] <carpediembaby> theorem, I should use local port forwarding?
[05:24] <theorem> carpediembaby: yes, you want to open a local port with the ssh session
[05:24] <theorem> carpediembaby: your other option is to use a dynamic port , but that's just a generic proxy .. which may or may not be what you need.
[05:25] <theorem> seeing as you just want data from the one host, the local port is probably the most direct, more secure route.
[05:26] <dancingdemon> how to access a blocked site in ubuntu?
[05:26] <dancingdemon> I tried tor and it worked fine but so slow
[05:27] <theorem> dancingdemon: that's a very wide question.  how is it blocked ?
[05:27] <theorem> first question -- which DNS are you using and is it at home or work ?
[05:28] <dancingdemon> i think the site is blocking my subnet..or some routing issue.
[05:28] <dancingdemon> It's a dedicated server that I own :)
[05:28] <theorem> error message ?
[05:29] <dancingdemon> i try to access the site using chrome in my vnc client but it won't even load
[05:29] <theorem> port open ?
[05:29] <theorem> try telnet
[05:29] <theorem> to port 80
[05:29] <dancingdemon> may I know how to do this?
[05:30] <theorem> telnet www.site.com 80
[05:30] <carpediembaby> theorem, so I should do: ssh -L 9000:localhost:443 ghufran_moh@rebond.supelec.fr -o "ProxyCommand=nc -X connect -x 172.17.31.1:8080 %h %p" ? It gets connected, to the remote host.. now what?
[05:30] <dancingdemon> i did the command and it says trying 79.143.xxx.x...
[05:30] <dancingdemon> waiting but nothing came so far
[05:30] <theorem> carpediembaby: you don't need to specify port 443, that's the other side of the connection.  you actually probably want 443 to be 22
[05:31] <theorem> carpediembaby: once connected scp using port 9000 on localhost for the file you want on the remote side.  I might send a file first.
[05:31] <dancingdemon> when i write tracepath www.site.come, I get this
[05:31] <dancingdemon> dancingdemon> 29:  no reply
 30:  no reply
      Too many hops: pmtu 1500
      Resume: pmtu 1500
[05:32] <dancingdemon> till now it says trying and nothing else showing .
[05:32] <theorem> dancingdemon: what did telnet do ?
[05:32] <dancingdemon> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
[05:32] <dancingdemon> dancingdemon@localhost:~$
[05:33] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, so the TCP conenction can;t be established because your box can;t see the host, or the host can;t respond back properly.
[05:33] <theorem> dancingdemon: looks like a routing issue.
[05:33] <dancingdemon> http://prntscr.com/bkbuqb
[05:33] <dancingdemon> yup.
[05:33] <dancingdemon> what to do in that case?
[05:33] <theorem> ok, so, first -- look at your routing table
[05:33] <dancingdemon> how to do this?
[05:33] <theorem> route show
[05:34] <theorem> er
[05:34] <theorem> just 'route'
[05:34] <dancingdemon> okay
[05:34] <dancingdemon> you want me to paste this in pastebin ?
[05:34] <theorem> sure
[05:34] <theorem> what path does the routing table say the packets should take to that host ?
[05:35] <dancingdemon> http://pastebin.com/iEgBfNFQ
[05:35] <theorem> ok, so is gateway really a router ?  your router ?
[05:35] <theorem> for "default"
[05:36] <dancingdemon> I have no clue tbh. It's a dedicated server that I bought from eqserver.nl
[05:36] <carpediembaby> theorem, I get a connection refused error: ssh: connect to host localhost port 9000: Connection refused, i used: scp -r -P 9000 localhost:~/tmp/20160624_02h12_all_clinks_no_disambig_comp_99999_cat_0/ ./
[05:36] <dancingdemon> it's not my router :) , the IP address is from NL from leaseweb
[05:37] <theorem> carpediembaby: did ssh open a listne port on port 9000 ?
[05:37] <theorem> (netstat -na | grep 9000 )
[05:38] <theorem> dancingdemon: tough one -- traffic is getting lost somewhere. you need to examine the routes on both the hosts on either side
[05:38] <theorem> dancingdemon: then compare where the traceroute diverges -- that's the problem host.
[05:39] <theorem> worst case --  capture traffic with tcpdump and go packet-by-packet.  wireshark may be easier to use.
[05:39] <dancingdemon> so there is nothing that can be done from my side for now..
[05:39] <theorem> dancingdemon: unless you changed the routing tables, it looks like a bad route somewhere
[05:39] <theorem> dancingdemon: look at the names of hosts in the traceroute - see if there is a loop.
[05:39] <carpediembaby> theorem, sorry. I had disconnected the proxy. But I get authentification error on local machine now. Here is what I did: http://pastebin.com/4HVPAv4U
[05:40] <dancingdemon>  I never changed anything in the touting tables. how to look in the names of the hosts in the traceroute?
[05:40] <neil_> The "Startup disk creator" does not create a working booting USB pendrive ... it drops into initramfs
[05:41] <theorem> carpediembaby: you want to use your login on the remote host, not the local host for scp
[05:41] <theorem> what is your remote username ?
[05:42] <carpediembaby> theorem, Ah okay! got it. Thanks!!
[05:42] <dancingdemon> This is what the staff there says : I have checked the availability of the website xxx.com from our test server, which is accessible but not from your server. May I know have you tried to reinstall the service for downloading the music from the site?
[05:42] <theorem> carpediembaby: works ?
[05:42] <carpediembaby> yes it does
[05:42] <theorem> fantastic :)
[05:42] <carpediembaby> thank you!
[05:42] <theorem> enjoy
[05:43] <theorem> dancingdemon: show me the traceroute from one host to the other , from both sides if you can
[05:43] <dancingdemon> may i know how to do that theorem ?
[05:43] <theorem> I will need to see real IPs -- so put it on pastebin, but expire it in an hour or something if you're concerneed about sharing the info
[05:43] <dancingdemon> ok ok
[05:44] <dancingdemon> just give me the CL and I will paste it all
[05:44] <theorem> dancingdemon: traceroute remote.ip.addr
[05:44] <dancingdemon> remote.ip.address is the site ip address, correct?
[05:44] <michaelrose> ok speech recognition in linux is really really horrible
[05:44] <theorem> yes
[05:44] <reisio> it's pretty bad most places
[05:44] <theorem> michaelrose: I thought that might be the case :-/
[05:44] <reisio> except my old razr phone was great
[05:44] <theorem> reisio: I think that only made phone calls though ..
[05:45] <theorem> :)
[05:45] <michaelrose> dragon naturally speaking is pretty good it might actually be worth running a really old version of that lol
[05:45] <dancingdemon> No command 'traceoute' found, did you mean:
[05:45] <dancingdemon>   Command 'traceroute' from package 'traceroute' (universe)
[05:45] <theorem> yes traceroute
[05:45] <dancingdemon> should i sudo apt-get install traceroute ?
[05:45] <theorem> yes
[05:46] <guest-Be34Bz> hi
[05:48] <dancingdemon> done :)
[05:48] <theorem> no more thunderbolt kiddies ...  http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/23/apple-discontinues-thunderbolt-display/
[05:49] <reisio> theorem: rofl
[05:49] <reisio> they must've found out that other people could influence it :p
[05:51] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, so where does it diverge ?
[05:52] <dancingdemon> I have no idea but thats what I get...
[05:52] <dancingdemon> the website won't load for some weird reasons..
[05:52] <tatertots_> plop u around
[05:52] <tatertots_> ?
[05:53] <theorem> dancingdemon: can you paste it somewhere ?
[05:53] <dancingdemon> paste what man?
[05:53] <dancingdemon> yeah sure, the pastebin that I sent you?
[05:53] <theorem> the output from traceroute
[05:53] <dancingdemon> of course
[05:53] <theorem> oh
[05:53] <theorem> I didn't see the msg
[05:53] <dancingdemon> hehe :) it's alright
[05:54] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, that's one side -- what about the other ?
[05:55] <Secret-Fire_> i cant stop my xubuntu 16.04 from hibernating
[05:55] <Secret-Fire_> ive tried power settings
[05:55] <dancingdemon> may I know how to see the other?
[05:55] <dancingdemon> i wrote traceroute site_ip_address
[05:56] <theorem> dancingdemon: can you login to the other side somehow ?
[05:56] <dancingdemon> nope.. the website won't even load
[05:56] <theorem> and run a traceroute ?
[05:56] <dancingdemon> like to log in from another server?
[05:57] <theorem> from the destination you are trying to reach
[05:57] <theorem> ?
[05:57] <dancingdemon> I can't access the site from this server at all even when I try to use my windows vnc client. All websites would load but not that one.
[05:57] <dancingdemon> I can access it from home but not from this server like I can't view it. I'm sorry but is that what you mean?
[05:58] <theorem> ok I hear 3 boxes
[05:58] <theorem> 1: home , 2: server 3: webserver
[05:58] <theorem> server 2 can't get to 3 ?
[05:59] <dancingdemon> yeah i guess..Like I have one dedicated server only running ubuntu 14.04 and my computer windows 8.
[05:59] <theorem> 3 boxes or 2 ?
[05:59] <dancingdemon> I use a vnc client to access my server + ssh using terminal
[05:59] <dancingdemon> 2
[06:00] <theorem> ok, so ...
[06:00] <theorem> the problem is that from the server (host 2) you can;t access the local webserver ?
[06:00] <michaelrose> dragon seems to be like 99% functional in wine as far as basic dictation, they should do the extra work for it to be fully functional bundled with a fixed version of wine and sell it as a supported option
[06:01] <dancingdemon> yes the server 2 can't load the website.
[06:01] <somsip> !winehq | michaelrose (maybe more info here to help)
[06:01] <tatertots_> welcome back virgoretti6
[06:01] <michaelrose> I know about winehq
[06:01] <lapion> Hello
[06:01] <somsip> michaelrose: then that would be the place to make wine-related suggestions
[06:01] <neil_> dancingdemon, theorem, have you checked the ip/masks and does ping work?
[06:02] <lapion> The autoconnect for the network manager cannot do dhcp
[06:02] <dancingdemon> when i wrote the ping command, ping site ip i get this:
[06:02] <theorem> neil_: I think he is accessing a local server.  however the local server has a load balancer or something in front of it .. so he needs to use the local IP when accessing the WWW server *from* the server itself.
[06:02] <cooldharma06> hi all
[06:03] <dancingdemon> http://pastebin.com/cha528Zt
[06:03] <cooldharma06> i am facing "Failed to start session " when login via GUI. but terminal works fine
[06:03] <cooldharma06> any suggestions
[06:04] <dancingdemon> that's the ping command output ^
[06:04] <lapion> http://pastebin.com/XrMKdNfR
[06:05] <Secret-Fire_> how can i prevent 16.04 from hibernating after inactivity, I have tried turning it off in power settings
[06:05] <theorem> dancingdemon: have to heard out
[06:05] <theorem> *head
[06:06] <lapion> The dhcp problem is for all networkmanager managed devices
[06:06] <dancingdemon> its alright, thanks a million
[06:06] <theorem> thanks
[06:06] <theorem> gtg
[06:06] <dancingdemon> any idea neil ?
[06:11] <qaz> remember the good old days of linux
[06:12] <reisio> nope
[06:12] <tatertots_> linux keeps get'n better
[06:12] <tatertots_> i remember 10 years ago when i was running ubuntu 7.04
[06:13] <qaz> I started using linux around ubuntu 10.04
[06:13] <tatertots_> had to do a lot more things manually by hand than now days
[06:13] <neil_> tatertots_, qaz, me at 6.04
[06:14] <tatertots_> neil's an old hat ubuntu user i see
[06:17] <wheelie207> Ubuntu wasn't around when I used linux
[06:19] <neil_> wheelie207, when was that
[06:19] <wheelie207> 91/92
[06:21] <wheelie207> I first had unix and then the linux I got was on 4 floppies and installed it on my 10 meg HD.
[06:23] <wheelie207> but i preferr the terminal for all my commands then as there wasn't really a gui.
[06:24] <neil_> I started out with a Sinclair ZX80 --- z80 cpu 1kB of ram ... it was a long time before I got into Linux
[06:25] <wheelie207> I had a Z80 at first and not much ram then.
[06:25] <wheelie207> then I had a kaypro
[06:26] <neil_> wheelie207, when 16kB of ram was a big deal.
[06:26] <wheelie207> Then I had built a 8081 MB with 10 meg HD for my linux
[06:27] <wheelie207> I mean 8086
[06:28] <neil_> My first HDD was 20MB for an Amiga 500
[06:29] <wheelie207> I couldn't afford the amiga then
[06:30] <int-main> Can I get some help regarding urxvt?
[06:30] <lapion> Hello is there anyone who can help me with problems with the network manager ?
[06:31] <lapion> I get the following output when I try to connect to the ethernet same problem goes for any wifi http://pastebin.com/iEvpSXiF
[06:32] <neil_> lapion, looks like you don't have a DHCP server
[06:33] <wheelie207> neil, beleive it or not but I still use the old bnc connectors
[06:33] <lapion> neil manually running sudo dhclient works just fine..
[06:34] <neil_> wheelie207, I designed and wrote the program for a 10mbit ethernet card for the Amiga computers... BNC connectors and all ... It a pain when 1 connector fails, the whole network fails.
[06:35] <lapion> neil_, see above
[06:35] <wheelie207> that's for sure.
[06:36] <tatertots_> lapion does your computer exhibit the same behavior when booted to livecd/live usb?
[06:36] <tatertots_> any recent hardware/software changes?
[06:36] <lapion> tatertots_, it's a upgraded-ubuntu-only problem
[06:37] <tatertots_> ah ok
[06:37] <neil_> lapion, have you tried an apt-get update etc again.
[06:40] <Secret-Fire_> how can i prevent 16.04 from hibernating after inactivity, I have tried turning it off in power settings
[06:41] <lapion> neil_, the only updates available that could make a difference are: liblightdm-gobject-1-0 liblightdm-qt-3-0 lightdm
[06:42] <lapion> neil_, and I had updated everything since the upgrade..
[06:42] <lapion> btw it is a lts to lts upgrade
[06:43] <lapion> tatertots_, dhcp only works if user sudos it
[06:46] <neil_> lapion, I can only suggest an ... apt-get remove network-manager ... apt-get install network-manager ... it is a stab in the dark thou.
[06:49] <wheelie207> I think he may find that it's not just a network manager and it could be something easily overlooked. because it happen to me back in the mid 90's
[06:49] <wheelie207> But I don't remember what it was now.
[06:53] <lapion> wheelie207, the problem is for every networking device however manually doing "sudo dhclient" works fine however without sudo dhclient doesn't work
[06:54] <wheelie207> That is very strange
[06:55] <wheelie207> how many devices on the network
[06:55] <Nakata> Where Firewall in Ubuntu?
[06:56] <ducasse> lapion: you could try to reinstall isc-dhcp-client.
[06:56] <neil_> Nakata, ufw handles the firewall by default... it used iptables
[06:57] <Nakata> I want like "Windows Firewall Control" or "Tiny Firewall"
[06:58] <ikonia> !ufw | nomic
[06:58] <ikonia> ops
[06:58] <ikonia> !ufw | Nakata
[06:58] <nomic> ?
[06:58] <ikonia> nomic: apologies, typo
[06:58] <nomic> ok
[06:59] <Nakata> I want Firewall for programms with GUI
[06:59] <lapion> ducasse, I am reinstalling all nm and networking packages.. forgot dhcp/dhclient etc etc
[06:59] <Nakata> ANd not ports
[06:59] <wheelie207> lapion, that would do it
[07:00] <ikonia> Nilesh_: yes, ufw is a gui
[07:00] <Tin_man> by default the firewall is off. there is a gui interface for the ufw, but not at my ubuntu machine now, have to search for it in software center
[07:02] <Tin_man> http://linuxbsdos.com/2011/07/22/3-graphical-clients-for-managing-the-uncomplicated-firewall/
[07:02] <Nakata> Gufw can block only Firefox for example?
[07:02] <ducasse> Nakata: no.
[07:02] <Nakata> I need it
[07:02] <sumi> hello
[07:05] <Nakata> How to block only those programs that I want?
[07:05] <ducasse> Nakata: i guess apparmor could do it.
[07:06] <Tin_man> you'll have to read up on it Nakata.
[07:06] <Nakata> AppArmor have GUI?
[07:06] <ducasse> Nakata: no.
[07:06] <Nakata> And what firewall with GUI and can block programs?
[07:07] <ducasse> Nakata: none.
[07:07] <Nakata>  How do you live without it?
[07:07] <wheelie207> nakata, you need to learn how to use commands in a terminal window
[07:07] <Nakata> it's horrible
[07:08] <ducasse> Nakata: linux is not windows. many programs ship with appamor profiles.
[07:08] <wheelie207> that's the best part of linux
[07:08] <ikonia> you don't need to learn commands
[07:08] <ikonia> the gui is just fine
[07:09] <lapion> did not help
[07:09] <wheelie207> but not everything has a GUI
[07:09] <ikonia> most common desktop use cases have a gui
[07:10] <wheelie207> I guess I'm just use to using terminal since 91/92
[07:10] <ikonia> bully for you
[07:10] <wheelie207> :)
[07:13] <Nakata> And SeLinux can do it?
[07:14] <ikonia> Nakata: not really
[07:14] <ikonia> thats not how selinux works
[07:14] <ikonia> selinux can block a program, but only by it breaking / voiding policy restrictions
[07:14] <wheelie207> I would choose apparmor over selinux
[07:15] <ikonia> Nakata: you're best bet in a real world situation is to use a firewall with the correct rules that can be managed easy with a gui
[07:22] <wheelie207> Nakata, on the ubuntu software there is a Gui firewall call gufw
[07:22] <Nakata> I need firewall for programms
[07:22] <Nakata> not for ports
[07:23] <wheelie207> ok
[07:23] <ducasse> Nakata: if you tell us what you are trying to achieve we would be better able to help you.
[07:24] <Nakata> Yes I need Windows Firewall Control or Tiny Firewall on Linux
[07:25] <Nakata> bye
[07:26] <wheelie207> I don't think he understands linux
[07:31] <ducasse> does the 16.04 desktop installer create a separate /boot if / is encrypted?
[07:31] <thekro> hi. my machine boots to a terminal login, then the login screen disappears and is replaced by a blinking cursor.  I can't then access the virtual terminals.  anyone willing to help me troubleshoot?
[07:32] <ikonia> ducasse: it should do, or it won't be able to boot
[07:32] <ducasse> ikonia: i thought grub could now boot from encrypted disks?
[07:32] <meet> Is there any way we go back to a fresh install without really going through installation process again
[07:33] <meet> I've messed up my system.. And I wanna start from scratch again
[07:33] <ikonia> ducasse: maybe, I don't think it can, but I'm not certain
[07:33] <ikonia> ducasse: I'd much rather have a non-encypted boot anyway
[07:33] <ikonia> (personally)
[07:33] <wheelie207> just do a re-install
[07:34] <ducasse> ikonia: i agree with that, i was just curious. i'll look into it some more.
[07:35] <meet> Can I create a snapshot of my system and revert back to it when and where required? Like we do in git.. something like it?
[07:36] <podm> dax sucks bazhang's dick lol
[07:36] <podm> dax sucks bazhang's dick lol
[07:36] <podm> dax sucks bazhang's dick lol
[07:36] <podm> !ops
[07:37] <podm> !ops
[07:37] <podm> dax sucks bazhang's dick lol
[07:37] <wheelie207> meet, just do a re-install. but save any files or pics before you do
[07:47] <thekro> hi. my machine boots to a terminal login, then the login screen disappears and is replaced by a blinking cursor.  if I run without quiet and splash, the cursor is white, with them it's yellow...
[07:48] <wheelie207> thekro, are you trying to run a GUI screen or not
[07:49] <lerner> my hdd is full, so Im copying some data to another hdd. It stopped at 133 MB. COunt of the laptops hdd is 0 kb...
[07:49] <lerner> what do I do? leave it copy?
[07:50] <thekro> wheelie207: usually it's a gui environment, yes
[07:50] <thekro> but currently just a terminal will be a great help
[07:51] <thekro> (I had terminal access because of gui problems with nvidia/cuda, then a suspend failed to resume, then when i powered off and on again, I got this problem)
[07:51] <wheelie207> thekro, if you have a cursor then you can type in the commands. it sounds like you are in terminal
[07:51] <thekro> erm, no, just a blinking cursor in the top left of an otherwise blank screen
[07:52] <thekro> i have not logged in since booting, the login prompt on the terminal disappears before I can type on it
[07:52] <wheelie207> oh, I gotcha now
[07:52] <thekro> when I press the power button to shut down, the shutdown process text appears successfully on the screen
[07:52] <TheSuperGeek> hi
[07:53] <wheelie207> unsure how I can give an answer to that type of problem.
[07:54] <thekro> wheelie207: any ideas on things to try?
[07:54] <trijntje> thekro: try starting via the recovery mode
[07:54] <thekro> trijntje: will give it a shot, haven't bothered until now, because not sure what I'd do with it if it works..
[07:55] <trijntje> thekro: start like that all the time, I have to do the same because I have a very recent video card ;)
[07:55] <thekro> trijntje: fair enough
[07:55] <ulju> thekro: try the recovery mode, press shift at bootup for grub 1.5 or escape for grub 2
[07:57] <thekro> recovery menu: what should I pick?
[07:59] <ulju> thekro: there should be something like "root" so you will get a shell with root access and you can try reinstall grafx drivers, i think it was grafx related? you said something about nvidia/cuda
[07:59] <thekro> tried "enable networking", which did some stuff, then hung and didn't return me to the menu or give me a prompt.
[08:00] <trijntje> thekro: reboot, and then next time try 'resume' first
[08:03] <thekro> trijntje: recovery mode+resume=same symptoms.
[08:04] <ulju> thekro: do you have something like "failsafeX" in the recovery menu, try that
[08:04] <odroid> hi
[08:05] <thekro> ulju: failsafeX -> same symptoms
[08:06] <thekro> actually, with failsafeX, just pressing the power button does not cause a shutdown; instead I must hard shutdown by holding in the power button
[08:07] <k-joseph> hi guys, looks like; the ip address i get on terminal is different from the public ip address i get from http://ipinfo.io/ip wondering how to instead retrieve this public ip known to google detected based on my internet connection
[08:08] <ducasse> thekro: if you just try to open a root shell, will that work?
[08:08] <thekro> k-joseph: might be that the ip on the terminal is your ip behind your home router, while the internet one is the one of your home router?
[08:08] <thekro> ok, managed to log into gui at very low resolution by booting an old kernel?
[08:08] <somsip> k-joseph:  try "dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com"
[08:09] <k-joseph> thekro: makes sense, i want to instead get the later/internet ip
[08:10] <ulju> thekro: was it just a problem by resuming the computer, or did you any install of packages before your actual problem? if it is a package problem i would recommend try the "root" option in the recovery menu and get your filesystem read-write with "mount -o remount,rw /" than you are able to do a fsck or apt-get remove nvidia packages, for example
[08:10] <xfceone> convert .3pg to mp4 with avconv but the video image is overturned
[08:10] <k-joseph> somsip: is there any local way to get this without invoking into remote servers!
[08:11] <somsip> k-joseph: not that I know of. You need to send a packet out of your network to find what address that packet is "wrapped" in as a return
[08:11] <thekro> ulju: well, the graphics weren't working before the suspend/resume issue already.
[08:11] <somsip> k-joseph: but I suppose you could find a way to query your router
[08:11] <thekro> still, it seems I have a backup plan for now, and can investigate going in via root later
[08:11] <thekro> thanks for the time and suggestions!
[08:12] <k-joseph> somsip: am using a modem connection instead
[08:12] <xfceone> what is the command with avconv to right video? not overturned?
[08:12] <somsip> k-joseph: first answer still applies
[08:12] <ulju> thekro: you are welcome
[08:14] <ducasse> k-joseph: try upnp-router-control
[08:23] <goenta> Hi, I'd like to know about R packages or alternative software that can produce charts like this, where I can produce multiple graphs and interaction with one graph affects the other graphs: http://cbio.mines-paristech.fr/~thocking/WorldBank-facets/ This is produced with the R package animint
[08:23] <somsip> !alis | goenta (you probably need to ask in the r channel)
[08:24] <goenta> Thanks, I've asked in the R channel but am interested in any software packages that are capable of these interactive charts
[08:24] <goenta> Including any that aren't dependent on R
[08:38] <unknown__> :)
[08:39] <unknown__> zzzzzz
[08:40] <neil_> Hi I am installing ZFS using this howto .. https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS .. when doing the "modprobe efivars" I get two errors the last on is "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-21-generic"
[08:41] <unknown__> hi
[08:50] <mote> Can i use decimal number on syndaemon? Like "syndaemon -i 1.5 -d". Do i use comma or period "," or "." ?
[09:01] <mote> Can i use decimal number on syndaemon? Like "syndaemon -i 1.5 -d". Do i use comma or period "," or "." ?
[09:06] <ducasse> mote: doesn't look like it from the man page, i suggest you just try.
[09:09] <mote> ducasse: it doesn't fail, but i would like to know if it does it or not. it's rally hard to tell if if rounding the number 1,5 to 1 or to
[09:11] <mote> ducasse: also does the world mostly use comma or period for fractions. Here in DK we use comma, USA uses period
[09:11] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: most of the world uses period afaik, only weird european countries swap comma and period
[09:12] <ducasse> mote: see if there's a difference between 1.1 and 1.9?
[09:12] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: I kinda thought it only was USA that used period and metrix was comma
[09:12] <mote> ducasse: good point!
[09:13] <C_minus> I'm perusing the CUDA toolkit installation instructions. I don't know what the folllowing means exactly. I'm not really up on networking stuff... "When using a proxy server with aptitude, ensure that  wget  is set up to use the same proxy settings before installing the cuda-repo package."
[09:14] <k1l_> do you use a proxy?
[09:14] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: http://i.imgur.com/MhpF1lA.png
[09:14] <C_minus> k1l Not to my knowledge. This is for people who connect to the internet via some kind of intermediary server?
[09:15] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: Comma for win!  :-)
[09:15] <k1l_> yes. so you dont need to worry about proxy settings.
[09:16] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: I guess the command line want's period though. ;-)
[09:16] <C_minus> Also, what is the best practice way of perminantly setting environment variables? In the guide they just provide "export..." commands. I have previously appended them to my .profile file, but this requires logging out and in again.
[09:17] <ducasse> C_minus: no, just source the file.
[09:17] <C_minus> ducasse I don't know what you mean by that
[09:17] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: the english speaking world seems to be predominantly period fwiw :P
[09:17] <neil_> Hi I am installing ZFS using this howto .. https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS .. when doing the "modprobe efivars" I get two errors the last on is "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-21-generic"
[09:17] <ducasse> C_minus: 'source ~/.profile'
[09:17] <k1l_> C_minus: export for one time. .profile for permanantly.
[09:18] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, and EU's not going to change that now.  ;-)  Thanks for the help.
[09:18] <Bray90820> Can ubuntu x86 and or x64 run on the Cherry Trail Z8300
[09:19] <virgoretti6> where can I get help with getting the password off my boot menu?
[09:20] <C_minus> So I'm using a fresh install of Ubuntu right now. "Additional Drivers" says I'm using "X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver". Should I switch this over to the Nvidia propietery tested driver? Help from any CUDA users would be much appreciated.
[09:20] <notadeveloper> bing or google it
[09:20] <ducasse> virgoretti6: 'boot menu' - do you mean grub or bios?
[09:21] <virgoretti6> bios
[09:21] <ducasse> virgoretti6: read the manual for your machine or motherboard.
[09:22] <virgoretti6> i don't have that
[09:22] <ducasse> virgoretti6: well, do a search. it has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[09:29] <Snowie> Howdy all. Where would be the best place to report a broken snap. installed freecad as a snap, and there is no gui or cli option available to start it. hello-snap application as a test seems to work fine.
[09:30] <bazhang> Snowie, did you try #snappy
[09:30] <Snowie> bazhang: hey, thanks, didn't realise there was a dedicated channel, will try there. just testing now if apt install produces a working version to make sure im not wasting time.
[09:32] <tatertots_> hi
[09:32] <Drzacek> Hello. How can I upgrade to newest ubuntu from ubuntu 14.something?
[09:32] <Ben64> whats the something
[09:33] <Drzacek> Linux ubuntu 3.19.0-33-generic #38~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:28 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:33] <Ben64> the supported way is to wait until July, when the upgrade is prompted
[09:34] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | Drzacek
[09:34] <Drzacek> lol, why so funny? I can download new version now
[09:34] <Drzacek> were there no ubuntu 15?
[09:35] <Ben64> there was 15.04 and 15.10. 15.04 has reached it's end of life already, 15.10 will do so in July
[09:35] <Drzacek> okay, I can wait, upgrade to newest system is not that importat. I need gcc5 - now I have 4.8. What can I do
[09:37] <lapion> so it's definitively a user rights problem
[09:38] <ducasse> Drzacek: you can force the upgrade at your own risk or reinstall 16.04 from scratch.
[09:38] <lapion> if I create a profile with a fixed ip address network manager connects fine
[09:38] <Drzacek> ducasse, no other way for gcc5.3.1?
[09:39] <lapion> it's only if the connection set to dhcp that the connection cannot connect
[09:39] <lapion> hi tatertots_,
[09:39] <k1l_> Drzacek: you can upgrade now with the -d developer switch.
[09:39] <tatertots_> hi lapion
[09:40] <k1l_> Drzacek: changing the gcc version is quite heavy change to a system. so i would not do that manually
[09:40] <Drzacek> too late, doing it now
[09:42] <lapion> tatertots_, the problem is definitively related to the right do dhcp by the network manager
[09:43] <tatertots_> hmm interesting
[09:44] <tatertots_> i'd be curious if the problem persists after removing then reinstalling "nm"
[09:45] <tatertots_> I think i still have ur pastbin logs in one of my tabs
[09:45] <tatertots_> was looking into it earlier
[09:45] <tatertots_> yep
[09:45] <tatertots_> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable
[09:46] <ikonia> lapion: what do the logs show when network manager does a dhcp broadcast
[09:47] <the_gblx> hello
[09:52] <juanonymous> !info bittorent
[09:52] <juanonymous> !info utorrent
[09:53] <justme_> anyone able to answer a question i have?
[09:54] <tatertots_> just ask
[09:54] <tatertots_> your question
[09:54] <lapion> ikonia, tatertots_ it might be a apparmor problem:
[09:54] <lapion> audit: type=1400 audit(1466758478.108:90): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper" name="/var/run/NetworkManager/private-dhcp" pid=2259 comm="nm-dhcp-helper" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[09:56] <justme_> I'm new to ubuntu..I currently have ubuntu running through dual boot on my ssd but all my storage is on other drives..how hard is it to set /home on another drive?
[09:57] <justme_> as to not fill up the rather small 30gb i have set ubuntu in currently
[09:57] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving justme_
[09:57] <tatertots_> when you install your ubuntu OS it's not hard at all to put /home on a different drive
[09:58] <k1l_> justme_: you can mount your windows partitions in ubuntu. so you dont need to have the music, fotos, data be stored twice.
[09:59] <justme_> I followed a youtube install and setup like that..partition ssd hdd in windows and setup install but didn't see the /home setup
[09:59] <justme_> I'll be merging to run ubuntu full time but don't want shit going on my ssd
[10:03] <trijntje> justme_: if you want your home on another disk you have to choose 'something else' in the partitioning menu, and then set /home on you hdd
[10:04] <justme_> trijntje: I did this setup but like windows for speed I wanted ubuntu on my ssd then all storage on E or F drives
[10:05] <trijntje> justme_: you can do that, install ubuntu on the ssd, but put the /home on your hdd.
[10:05] <trijntje> its easiest during the install, not after
[10:05] <justme_> so I'd just follow the partitioning/home/move instructions i was givin the link for?
[10:06] <justme_> trijntje: only other option is to uninstall and delete the partition then reinstall?
[10:07] <trijntje> justme_: you can follow the instructions, or reinstall and do what I described
[10:07] <dudz> if you are going to delete the partition, the uinstall isn't needed
[10:07] <justme_> I can delete the partition straight from windows?
[10:08] <dudz> oh ok, your in windows
[10:08] <dudz> i'm not sure
[10:08] <akik> justme_: you can define the new /home mount point in /etc/fstab, no need for reinstall
[10:08] <justme_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving  follow these instructions?
[10:09] <tatertots_> yes justme
[10:09] <justme_> I'm just in windows for now.. Thanks tatertots_
[10:09] <tatertots_> that document u just linked has all the information you need to move your existing /home and it's "data" or contents to a different drive
[10:10] <tatertots_> including making edits to ur fstab file that akik mentioned
[10:10] <tatertots_> it's all detailed right there in that link
[10:11] <justme_> Sweet I can follow that..cheers
[10:11] <tatertots_> doing this at the time of OS deployment saves the additional administrative effort of doing it post OS deployment
[10:13] <justme_> Yeah but its my first install and was going to let ubuntu do the install but decided to follow the youtube which didn't explain the /home setup
[10:14] <tothbalint> Hello to everybody! I would like to ask a question. I am experimenting with custom post types and custom taxonomies, and I guess I am trying to learn too fast :)
[10:15] <justme_> thanks for the help
[10:15] <tothbalint> I am trying to make a custom taxonomy page. I have a taxonomy with the slug league, I have created my file taxonomy-league.php
[10:15] <Triffid_Hunter> tothbalint: sounds like you're in the wrong channel
[10:16] <tothbalint> OMG, sorry :(
[10:16] <tothbalint> Triffid_Hunter, you are right
[10:16] <Triffid_Hunter> ;)
[10:19] <tatertots> no worries mate ..have fun
[10:25] <tatertots> *crickets chirping*
[10:32] <blut> Can I use a symbolic link for the initrd preseeding?
[10:33] <blut> also, do I still have to configure the usage of the preseed.cfg at all?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <tatertots> 1
[10:51] <tatertots> hi blue
[10:58] <blut> where can I tell the debian installer to never touch any of my network settings?
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[11:02] <tatertots> lol
[11:03] <tomaz__> i changed something in logrotate configuration .... is there a need to restart? logrotate service? or is this automatically detected? I am running ubuntu 14.04
[11:05] <bobbob> hello...
[11:05] <tatertots> hello bob
[11:06] <bobbob> on Xenial...
[11:06] <bobbob> if I add multiple dns-nameservers to network/interfaces...
[11:06] <bobbob> if one of them is localhost....then after bouncing the interface, resolv.conf only shows localhost
[11:07] <bobbob> if none of them are localhost, then resolv.conf shows both
[11:07] <bobbob> is this expected? seems like weird behaviour
[11:10] <ducasse> tomaz__: i believe logrotate is run from cron, so i don't think so.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> bobbob, resolv.conf will be over written by  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d, place your nameservers there in the head, if you don.t use nm
[11:10] <asig3> Hi. Do you know how change the fsck thread max number? I'm running fsck 8 hours ago, in only 1 core!
[11:10] <bobbob> BluesKaj:  is that changed behaviour since 1404? Previously, listing them in network/interfaces was fine?
[11:10] <bobbob> plus it seems to work when neither of the nameservers is localhost?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> ok bobbob, then it's a different problem
[11:12] <ducasse> bobbob: i do that here on 16.04 without problems, but i haven't tried entering localhost.
[11:13] <bobbob> ducasse: yes, as I say, when I enter non-localhost addresses, I can use multiple NS no problem
[11:14] <tatertots> what are you trying to accomplish bobbob?
[11:14] <tatertots> and what is the problem in accomplishing said task?
[11:16] <tatertots> is domain name resolution not working at all?.....is the problem with reverse or forward dns?
[11:16] <bobbob> I want to have multiple nameservers
[11:16] <bobbob> the primary of which should be localhost
[11:16] <bobbob> as I described, when I enter these in network/interfaces, if localhost is present, the other options are ignored
[11:16] <tatertots> so u want to use static dns entry correct?
[11:17] <bobbob> I am configuring multiple dns-nameservers
[11:17] <bobbob> hang on
[11:17] <bobbob> let me do a paste to make this simpler to explain
[11:18] <tatertots> as in a person might want a static ip addy netmask gateway and dns addresses assigned to their system correct
[11:18] <bobbob> yes
[11:18] <tatertots> ah i see
[11:19] <farciarz84> hi hi hi :) Anyone tells me why the upstart script cannot be recognised? Namely, start: Unknown job: myjob. But ironically init-checkconf /etc/init.d/myjob.conf says File /etc/init.d/myjob.conf: syntax ok!
[11:20] <tatertots> do u already know the addy's of the 3x max dns servers u want to use?.....do u know how to test and confirm dns is working with these static ip addresses once they are configured?
[11:20] <bobbob> one seconf
[11:21] <bobbob> I'm just doing a paste up so you fully understand what I am trying to say
[11:21] <tatertots> we can help u configure static dns but if u don't have a firm understanding of how dns works you'll probably just have more questions
[11:21] <bobbob> ..
[11:21] <bobbob> dude
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !u
[11:22] <bobbob> I definitely have good knowledge of DNS
[11:22] <bobbob> anyways
[11:22] <bobbob> check the paste:
[11:22] <bobbob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17796016/
[11:22] <bobbob> first example, multiple nameservers with localhost
[11:22] <bobbob> second example, multiple nameservers without localhost
[11:23] <bobbob> see what I am saying? when there are multiple nameservers configured with localhost as one of them, the others are ignored by resolv.conf
[11:23] <ducasse> bobbob: have you tried putting them on separate lines?
[11:23] <bobbob> yes
[11:23] <bobbob> no difference
[11:23] <ducasse> odd.
[11:23] <bobbob> indeed
[11:24] <farciarz84> My upstart script cannot be recognised. Namely, start: Unknown job: myjob. But ironically init-checkconf /etc/init.d/myjob.conf says File /etc/init.d/myjob.conf: syntax ok! Ubuntu server 14.04
[11:24] <ducasse> looked for relevant bug reports on launchpad?
[11:24] <sipior> bobbob: is there a resolver listening on localhost?
[11:25] <bobbob> yes
[11:25] <sipior> bobbob: does turning it off change matters?
[11:25] <bobbob> ducasse: I did look, and couldnt see any
[11:25] <bobbob> sipior: I can try
[11:27] <sipior> bobbob: my first guess would be that resolvconf is trying to be too clever
[11:28] <tatertots> identify name servers in resolv.conf ie would be 8.8.8.8  in the resolv.conf
[11:28] <tatertots> test for expected tcp/ip connectivity
[11:29] <tatertots> and name resolution
[11:29] <tatertots> forward and backward
[11:29] <sipior> tatertots: the point is that the daemon that now configures this file automatically is going awry.
[11:29] <sakthi> Hi I have xfce4 desktop on top of ubuntu 16.04 servers. But sometimes it freeze? anyone help me regarding this
[11:29] <bobbob> sipior: with local nameserver stopped, the same thing happens
[11:30] <bobbob> sipior: weirdly, if I put localhost *after* my other nameservers, then it works
[11:30] <bobbob> sipior: but, of course, I want localhost as primary
[11:31] <sipior> bobbob: honestly, i'd just turn off the resolvconf daemon; set it manually.
[11:31] <tatertots> when on a DHCP network resolv.conf file is rewritten using the nameservers specified in the DHCP response
[11:31] <bobbob> sipior: sounds like a plan. do you think its worth raising a bug?
[11:32] <sipior> tatertots: if you read his pastebin, that pretty clearly isn't the case.
[11:32] <sipior> bobbob: i'm not sure it *is* a bug, but it might not hurt to raise one, and get some clarification.
[11:32] <tatertots> when u say it's gone "awry" does that mean that resolv.conf is not being rewritten using name servers specified in the dhcp response?
[11:32] <bobbob> sipior: ok dude. thanks for your help
[11:33] <sipior> bobbob: good luck
[11:33] <bobbob> ty sir
[11:33] <ducasse> tatertots: he's not using dhcp at all.
[11:34] <tatertots> i know he's not but it's not "broken" if it's functioning as designed when on a dhcp network
[11:34] <ABC-XYZ> Apparently still a tremendous amount of GUI applications available in the repositories is still missing/invisible/hidden from GNOME Software due to lacking Appstream Data. What I don't get is how a computer illiterate user is now supposed to install common apps like Megaglest or GNU Backgammon or Canonical partner apps like Steam?
[11:35] <ABC-XYZ> It seems like the only option is reverting to the Ubuntu Software Center?
[11:35] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'
[11:35] <bobbob> tatertots: if you looked at that paste I posted, you would clearly see I am not using DHCP
[11:35] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: what ?
[11:35] <Sagar> it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano
[11:35] <Sagar> it says
[11:35] <ducasse> tatertots: if nameservers are specified in the interfaces file then resolvconf will use them.
[11:36] <Sagar> Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega
[11:36] <BluesKaj> ABC-XYZ, enable the partner debs in /etc/sources.list for one or in the package manager
[11:36] <ABC-XYZ> BluesKaj: well, they are still available from the repositories/cli etc, but they are completely invisible in the GUI
[11:36] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: what do you mean invisible
[11:37] <tatertots> i know that, i was trying to find out what exactly was broken.. sometimes ppl can perceive things as broken just because they don't work they way they thought or expected them to work
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ABC-XYZ, depends on the gui
[11:37] <ikonia> what does "invisible from the gui" actually mean ?
[11:37] <tatertots> he didn't exactly say what his mission was
[11:38] <ABC-XYZ> that means that when you try to search for "wireshark" or "megaglest" through the Ubuntu Software app you only get "no results"
[11:38] <tatertots> he didn't say he was configuring his own internal DNS and setting up forward lookup zones or anything
[11:38] <ikonia> ubuntu software app ?
[11:38] <ABC-XYZ> which is a regression from 15.10; at least from the perspective of the GUI-only user i think
[11:38] <sipior> tatertots: we've all moved on, now.
[11:38] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: can you explain the process you are doing exactly
[11:38] <tatertots> which would indicate a advanced DNS server setup
[11:39] <tatertots> which if ur doing that kinda advanced network admin stuff i'm kinda confused on why he'd be posting here i the first place
[11:39] <Sagar> anyone
[11:39] <ikonia> Sagar: anyone what ?
[11:39] <bobbob> because, as I pointed out, there is potentially a bug with how resolvconf reads the interfaces file
[11:39] <bobbob> and I am raising that on launchpad, obviously other people here may have experienced it, hence my asking
[11:39] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'. it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano, Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega
[11:39] <ABC-XYZ> Well, I open "Ubuntu Software" in a completely vanilla install, search for a common app; typing wireshark for instance; and notice there are zero results
[11:40] <tatertots> potentially?
[11:40] <tatertots> either there is or isn't
[11:40] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: do you mean software center, or the unity dash
[11:40] <bobbob> :/
[11:40] <Sagar> ikonia: that
[11:40] <tatertots> trouble shoot it down to a point of failure
[11:40] <bobbob> dude, you are really hard work
[11:40] <ABC-XYZ> the new GNOME Software/Ubuntu Software - software center in 16.04
[11:40] <jaggz> where do you configure which dirs are cleared at shutdown/boot?  (like /var/lock/ stuff)
[11:40] <bobbob> it isnt a bug, until its confirmed a bug by the developers
[11:40] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: ok - so that will only find software if the repos are available containing them
[11:41] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: they come from non-default repos, you'll need to enable the repos
[11:41] <bobbob> I said potentially, because maybe there is some reason that this is desired behaviour
[11:41] <tatertots> if there is
[11:41] <williamconna> yep
[11:41] <ikonia> Sagar: please pastebin your sudoers file
[11:41] <tatertots> what steps can one take to "reproduce" this issue consistently
[11:41] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: apt-get install wireshark of course still works, because it IS in the default repos
[11:41] <bobbob> if you think that adding multiple nameservers to an interfaces file is "advanced network admin" stuff then you have very little business giving out advice at all
[11:41] <tatertots> can it be reproduced consistently
[11:41] <bobbob> look at the paste I posted
[11:41] <bobbob> for the 1000th time
[11:41] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: it just is completely missing from the Ubuntu Software gui, just like many more common apps
[11:41] <bobbob> it has everything you would need to replicate it
[11:42] <tatertots> have others attempt to reproduce the issue to rule out more things
[11:42] <tatertots> before u go throwing around the "B" word....bug
[11:42] <ABC-XYZ> for me it isn't a huge problem, but it's quite off putting for new ubuntu users, I think
[11:42] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: wireshark is in universe
[11:42] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: that is not enabled by default
[11:42] <sipior> tatertots, bobbob: guys, give it a rest.
[11:43] <brianx> the new gnome software just doesn't work.  use apt or one of the other gui tools.
[11:44] <ABC-XYZ> brianx: it quite is a pity :/ it just seems very confusing from the perspective of a first time Ubuntu user
[11:44] <Sagar> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/7WLU7X5T
[11:44] <tatertots> if no one else is or has reported such issues with as widely used as linux is ?... the likely hood of you ..as in 1 person stumbling across a bug that NOBODY else has run into...with all the linux enterprise production environments in the world ....REALLY
[11:45] <brianx> ABC-XYZ: yep.  the authors tried very hard to break it and will simply close your bug.
[11:45] <tatertots> i'm done
[11:45] <tatertots> potential bug my ass
[11:45] <bobbob> lol :)
[11:45] <bobbob> good day to you sir
[11:46] <tatertots> there's bug reports on the net...post it ...surely ur not the only person that has seen this issue with the bazillion linux enterprise production environments out there
[11:46] <sipior> tatertots: so when you said, "i'm done"...
[11:47] <tatertots> maybe u should run ur dns server in windows server ...would make ur life easier bobbob
[11:47] <tatertots> now i'm done sipior
[11:48] <bobbob> tatertots: have you looked on Launchpad at all? there are hundreds of bugs there
[11:48] <bobbob> and you know Xenial has been out a matter of months? the "bazillions" of servers you talk about are not all running Xenial are they?
[11:49] <tatertots> oh yeah i know there's bugs but where's this potential bug you are eluding to huh? got a bugzilla # for me to reference?...didn't think so
[11:49] <bobbob> I haven't raised it yet, if you want to follow it, I can link you once I have finished doing so :)
[11:49] <tatertots> let's be done..hope u get ur configuration figured out
[11:50] <BluesKaj> tatertots, why do you insist on use text talk , this is irc, not twitter
[11:51] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: universe is actually enabled by default in recent versions of ubuntu it seems
[11:51] <BluesKaj> use of
[11:51] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: wasn't in my last install
[11:52] <Sagar> ikonia: ?
[11:52] <ABC-XYZ> hmm perhaps it is in my case since I checked "Install propetiary addons"
[11:53] <bobbob> hmm
[11:53] <bobbob> perhaps my problem is related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bind9/+bug/933723
[11:53] <bobbob> old though
[11:54] <tatertots> i'm just saying if you are going to throw around the B word willy nilly back it up with plenty of bugzilla and launchpad
[11:55] <bobbob> I just pasted a link to an unresolved bug that seems to be related
[11:55] <bobbob> still doesnt really explain why it ignores the other nameservers, or works when localhost is after those
[11:55] <bobbob> meh...will raise it anyway
[11:57] <Sagar> ikonia: there?
[12:00] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'. it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano, Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega. It isn't able to run any commands, all show /bin error, Here is the suoder file, can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/7WLU7X5T
[12:03] <TanNguyen> Sagar: Try deleting both lines with dhruv from your sudoer file, then add this one:
[12:03] <TanNguyen> Sagar: dhruv ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/whoami
[12:04] <TanNguyen> Sagar: 'su' to that user (dhruv) and try to run sudo whoami
[12:06] <Sagar> dhruv@omega:/root$ whoami gives dhruv
[12:06] <ikonia> Sagar: sorry was away from keybaord
[12:06] <ikonia> lets see
[12:06] <Sagar> dhruv@wolf:/root$ sudo whoami gives root
[12:06] <ikonia> Sagar: can I please see the output of "id dhruv"
[12:07] <tatertots> what different about your linux based dns server that you're having issues with and ALL the other linux dns servers that are currently in production in enterprise environments across the globe
[12:07] <Sagar> uid=1001(dhruv) gid=1002(dhruv) groups=1002(dhruv)
[12:07] <ikonia> Sagar: ok - so from your view, what should dhruv not be allowed to do
[12:08] <Sagar> 1) i want it able to access sudo via FTP,
[12:08] <Sagar> 2) I want it allow all sudo commands except su and passwd
[12:08] <ikonia> Sagar: sudo is nothing to do with ftp
[12:08] <Sagar> from ssh
[12:08] <tatertots> they don't seem to be having any issues providing name service
[12:08] <Sagar> ikonia, dhruv has data inside /var/www/html
[12:08] <Sagar> if it doesn't have sudo
[12:08] <tatertots> but it's a bug huh
[12:08] <Sagar> he is unable to edit it
[12:08] <Sagar> permission issues
[12:09] <ikonia> Sagar: sudo is not going to work with ftp
[12:09] <ikonia> Sagar: you don't use sudo for that, you use file system permissions
[12:09] <Sagar> ikonia
[12:09] <Sagar> ok
[12:09] <TanNguyen> Sagar: Then add the commands you need for that user after the whoami command I gave from before, just remember to add the complete path to the command (using which to find that out)
[12:09] <Sagar> what about other?
[12:09] <Sagar> how can i give him all access via sudo expect su and passwd?
[12:10] <gvvg> Hi - I've added this line to my /etc/sudoers "user ALL=(root)      NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown -hP now" for user and still user cannot do a shutdown - any suggestions?
[12:10] <ikonia> Sagar: I suggest you setup a command group
[12:10] <ikonia> Sagar: and put everthing you want them to do in that command group
[12:11] <Random12345> hey! quick question. every few days i run "Software Updater" and everything gets updated, at least so i though. i just opened "Ubuntu Software" and it lists 3 updates. for some reason these updates are not part of the "Software Updater", any reason why? (they are: OS Updates, Archive Manager, Software & Updates)
[12:11] <Random12345> basiclly "Software & Updates" does not even update itself.
[12:11] <gsa> hello guys
[12:11] <gsa> i do have small problem
[12:11] <Sagar> ikonia: guide?
[12:11] <Random12345> do i need to check two places for updates? is there a way to make this into one place?
[12:11] <ikonia> Sagar: man sudo
[12:12] <gsa> after installing graphic nvidia drivers, I do have some problems with logging in
[12:13] <gsa> it goes back to logging table, even when password is correct
[12:13] <tatertots> hmmm
[12:13] <tatertots> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bind9/+bug/933723
[12:13] <tatertots> says "FIX RELEASED"
[12:14] <gsa> is there any way besides installing os from beginning ?
[12:15] <tatertots> maybe mr bobbob didn't notice that part because he tried to find something in such a hurry
[12:15] <tatertots> it's also from 4 years ago on top of being marked as "FIX RELEASED"
[12:15] <tatertots> bug my ass
[12:15] <EriC^^> gsa: boot to the recovery mode from grub>advanced, then drop to root shell and purge the nvidia driver
[12:16] <EriC^^> gsa: after you drop to root shell run the command "mount -o remount,rw /"
[12:17] <k1l_> gsa: does another user account or guest account work to login?
[12:17] <gsa> nope it doesnt
[12:18] <mrasker> hello, i have ubuntu 14.04 64bit with rhythmbox. I don't know if this is the rigt place to ask about the rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin.
[12:20] <mrasker> rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin works file in my laptop but it freezes rhytmbox in my desktop. I installed several times and in different ways but always the same result
[12:22] <tatertots> anything in the logs when rhythmbox freezes ?
[12:23] <tatertots> just the application rhythmbox freezes or your entire desktop system freezes?
[12:25] <bobbob> tatertots: if you actually read the whole bug report you will see it is not fixed
[12:25] <bobbob> plus I did say it was old and possibly unrelated
[12:25] <bobbob> you seem to be under the impression that every bug that has ever existed will already be reported
[12:26] <bobbob> that is patently untrue for obvious reasons
[12:26] <bobbob> but lets let the bug reviewers decide
[12:26] <bobbob> as soon as I'm done with this duck wrap :)
[12:26] <tatertots> no i'm under the impression that the launchpad you posted is marked as "FIX RELEASED"
[12:27] <tatertots> and is 4 years old on top of that
[12:27] <tatertots> and is probably not even the save software environment that you have
[12:27] <tatertots> same
[12:27] <bobbob> 3rd time...I said it was old and possibly unrelated
[12:27] <tatertots> and has nothing to do with you setting up a working functional dns server
[12:28] <bobbob> you dont even understand what I am doing, so you cant possibly comment on whether its a bug or not
[12:29] <bobbob> anyways, I'm pretty much done with this tiresome back and forth with you, lets agree to disagree :)
[12:29] <tatertots> there are plenty of linux dns server in production right now...i have on here at my house and it's working fine...why u can't get your dns server working is a mystery ...good luck with that though
[12:29] <bobbob> it isnt even a dns server I am having problems with
[12:36] <blut> !man ethdetect
[12:36] <blut> !info ethdetect
[12:36] <blut> !find ethdetect
[12:36] <Pici> !msgthebot
[12:37] <milad> hi
[12:37] <ioria> blut, http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ethdetect
[12:38] <milad> is it safe to download and use ubuntu 14.4.5 daily iso?
[12:38] <blut> ioria: is there a manpage?
[12:38] <k1l_> blut: there is packages.ubuntu.com
[12:38] <BluesKaj> blut, run nmcli con
[12:38] <k1l_> blut: and there is manpages.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <blut> thank you
[12:39] <Yuri4_> Guys, I'm following some step by step instruction. It says, I should do `adduser --disabled-login todos` and recieve this output http://pastebin.com/6mNgxCuB But I'm recieveing this http://pastebin.com/8nFzCmft is this normal?
[12:39] <k1l_> milad: the 5th pointrelease is still in testing. so its not released, its on your own risk. if you need to ask, dont run unstable releases
[12:39] <milad> can i?
[12:39] <ioria> blut,  i don't find it
[12:40] <blut> It's on the initrd
[12:40] <milad> i think its only updated iso! isnt?
[12:40] <ioria> blut,  but "Do not install it on a normal Ubuntu system." :þ
[12:40] <blut> I want to disable it, but I need to know if there are any options that are useful
[12:41] <blut> Otherwise I would just shove a sh script with exit 0 in its place
[12:41] <k1l_> milad: it includes the 16.04 backports kernel and xorg. and as i said: if you need to ask about the risk, then dont run it.
[12:49] <milad> sorry me.so what about ubuntu 16.04 daily build? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/current/
[12:57] <pranay> !hi
[12:57] <tatertots> hello pranay
[12:58] <pranay> I have recently installed ubuntu on my thinkpad T420
[12:58] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[12:58] <pranay> and my battery backup has been decreased to just 1 hour
[12:58] <pranay> can any body help me in this
[12:59] <Teresa_> Ubuntu consume too much resources generally
[13:00] <tatertots> pranay do you mean that your T420 battery life seem to have decreased since installing ubuntu?...
[13:00] <pranay> yup
[13:00] <pranay> It was earlier giving me a backup of around 2.5-3 hours
[13:00] <tatertots> as compared to your battery life when running windows OS i'm assuming?...is this your comparison
[13:01] <pranay> yup
[13:01] <tatertots> ok
[13:01]  * shabat 
[13:02] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[13:03] <Teresa_> I'm unable to boot to the system
[13:03] <zykotick9> pranay: you might want to try installing powertop and running "sudo powertop --auto-tune" and see if that help a bit...  note you'd have to run that after every restart, and it might not be a great idea to run in your on AC power.  Good luck (PS. no matter what you do, you're unlikely to get the same battery life as with MS)
[13:04] <tatertots> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks
[13:04] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[13:05] <Teresa_> Help immediately my system is at risk.
[13:05] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:05] <tatertots> so you are unable to boot your system?   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:07] <nebg> how can i tell vim to delete until the first occurence of the character / ?
[13:07] <Teresa_> tatertots: It can be used if I
[13:07] <tatertots> sorry to hear you are unable to boot your system Teresa ..good luck https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:08] <Teresa_> could get terminal
[13:09] <Teresa_> It calls to recover journal and asks for root pa
[13:09] <TanNguyen> nebg: You need to delete your current line till a charactor, or you need to delete till the line that contains that character?
[13:09] <Teresa_> password
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Teresa_, ctl+alt+F1-F6 to get to a VT/TTY
[13:09] <nebg> TanNguyen, the second one
[13:10] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i doubt Teresa_ is getting that far in boot, sounds more like they need live-media or recorvery to run fsck to me?
[13:11] <TanNguyen> Position to the first line, then use this
[13:11] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, yeah I was hoping it would be simpler ;/
[13:11] <TanNguyen> d/\?<cr>   <cr> stands for enter key,
[13:11] <Teresa_> Even tty doesn't work the system is now on tty1 and none other opens up and on tty1 it says welcome to emergency mode
[13:13] <Teresa_> For home partition it says recovering journal : the first message shown
[13:13] <tatertots> Teresa https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair and that describes using live media to attempt to get your system that won't boot back into a bootable state
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Teresa_, yeah , sounds like problem for the boot repair live media
[13:13] <EriC^^> Teresa_: do you have a live usb?
[13:14] <Teresa_> Not right  now
[13:14] <BluesKaj> BBL ..stuff to do
[13:14] <EriC^^> Teresa_: did you do something before you got that msg? any error before it?
[13:14] <EriC^^> (before the error msg itself)
[13:15] <tatertots> Yes Teresa please tell us the circumstances that led up to you noticing your computer was no longer bootable
[13:15] <tatertots> any recent hardware or software changes?
[13:15] <tatertots> power outage?
[13:16] <tatertots> physical damage?
[13:16] <Teresa_> I made a partition mounted to a custom directory
[13:16] <tatertots> had the computer been moved into a different environment ?
[13:16] <Teresa_> No
[13:17] <tatertots> those were just probing questions to get you to elaborate on the issue
[13:17] <tatertots> please continue
[13:17] <Teresa_> There's one more thing : It asks Root password for maintenance
[13:18] <Teresa_> Though I provided correct yet it says login incorrect
[13:19] <tatertots> this partition you speak of mounting to a custom location .....was this on the same hard drive as the OS or a different hard drive than the OS?
[13:19] <staeksauce> are you sure capslock isn't on
[13:19] <tatertots> you'll be using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair either way but the more info you provide the better assistance we can be
[13:20] <Teresa_> Additionally it says press ctrl+D to continue and then comes to the same place again after a logo of Ubuntu
[13:20] <Teresa_> Ohk
[13:21] <Teresa_> tatertots : It was on the same HD
[13:23] <Teresa_> By the way if I use a live USB how does that gonna access the partitions?
[13:24] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:25] <tatertots> Boot-Repair also has advanced options to back up table partitions, back up bootsectors, create a Boot-Info (to get help by email or forum), or change the default repair parameters: configure GRUB, add kernel options (acpi=off ...), purge GRUB, change the default OS, restore a Windows-compatible MBR, repair a broken filesystem, specify the disk where GRUB should be installed, etc.
[13:27] <asad_> If I've installed a package using a deb file, can I upgrade it by installing the newer version of the deb file? What happens to older one?
[13:27] <Teresa_> Ook if boot repair can help then how do I install it!
[13:27] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:27] <tatertots> 1st option : get a disk including Boot-Repair The easiest way to use Boot-Repair is to create a disk containing the tool (eg Boot-Repair-Disk, a disk starting Boot-Repair automatically), and boot on it.  Remark : it is recommended to install the ISO on a live-USB (eg via UnetBootin or LiliUSB or Universal USB Installer). Do not burn it on a DVD if your computer has Windows8 pre-installed, or if your boot is in EFI mode.
[13:28] <tatertots> 2nd option : install Boot-Repair in Ubuntu - either from an Ubuntu live-session (boot your computer on a Ubuntu live-CD or live-USB then choose "Try Ubuntu") or from your installed Ubuntu session (if you can access it)  - connect to the Internet  - open a new Terminal, then type the following commands (press Enter after each line):   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install -y boot
[13:29] <tatertots> option 1 has your name all over it Teresa
[13:29] <zykotick9> tatertots: i doutbe Teresa_ would be able to install anything right now... so i think option 1 is the only viable option... <- just a guess
[13:30] <zykotick9> tatertots: oh install on the livemedia... nevermind.
[13:32] <tatertots> I have my fingers crossed for you Teresa, hope you didn't destroy any data that you wanted when you created that partition and mounted it to your custom location
[13:32] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:33] <asad_> ?
[13:33] <Teresa_> Ook I'm Gon
[13:33] <jaggz> my /var/lock is being cleaned though.. not sure what's doing it..
[13:33] <jaggz> --> /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh loads /lib/init/bootclean.sh -- but that later file doesn't exist
[13:34] <Teresa_> *gonna try that
[13:34] <jaggz> anyone know how those paths get cleared??
[13:35] <lekev>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER lekev nuxrcsvwlgsx
[13:36] <tatertots> Teresa you've inspired me to backup my data right now :)
[13:37] <bozit> NickServ
[13:37] <TanNguyen> lekev: Please consider updating your password after this
[13:37] <Pici> TanNguyen, lekev: its not a password.
[13:38] <lekev> thx
[13:38] <lekev> it's just the confirmation email
[13:38] <lekev> it should be fine
[13:38] <TanNguyen> Picy: oh, I see. Sorry for my ignorance
[13:39] <lekev> I am looking for a channel where I can discuss about design pattern
[13:39] <bozit> what design pattern in particular?
[13:39] <Pici> lekev: ##programming perhaps.
[13:41] <pranay> quit
[13:43] <lekev> thx
[13:45]  * root___10 
[13:47]  * shabat 
[13:53] <d3bug> is there a simple way to rebuild an Ubuntu system from source without issuing 3 commands per package?  ie; is there a script or something that can accomplish this?  (I want to optimize for my specific hardware)
[13:53] <sipior> d3bug: at that point, you should probably consider something like arch or gentoo, frankly.
[13:54] <d3bug> well, I don't like gentoo (the package management system)... and arch I am not familiar with (what's the distro it's based on?)
[13:55] <sipior> d3bug: i think it's more or less sui generis, not derivative.
[13:55] <d3bug> sipior: I like to play around with source based distros (lunar, sourcemage, t2, etc), but I thought it might be interesting to see how optimized Ubuntu COULD be
[13:56] <sipior> d3bug: you will almost certainly be disappointed
[13:56] <d3bug> sipior:  you don't think I could squeeze out a little more performance from it?
[13:57] <sipior> a little, sure. if you don't know what you're doing, and blindly add optimizations in, you might actually make things slower.
[13:57] <Bayam> excuse me, does anyone know the channel to ask things like VPN great use in linux?
[13:57] <d3bug> sipior: oh yes, I know... I just meant basic optimizations, nothing crazy and unstable (-march=native, etc)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Bayam, #networking
[13:59] <Bayam> BluesKaj, thanks for your help
[14:00] <d3bug> sipior:  most distros are compiled as generic as possible for widest compatibility of course, so I want to see what difference it would make built for my specific hardware.  I know there is a way to build the source packages through apt, however, it's a long arduous process if I were doing the whole system... it would be nice to be able to issue a command like "apt --source rebuild"  or something like that
[14:00] <sipior> d3bug: many "basic" optimizations are already in place; just be sure that you don't spend more time compiling software than you save from minor performance improvements.
[14:00] <d3bug> sipior:  I am retired... I don't have much else to do. :P
[14:00] <sipior> fair enough
[14:01]  * d3bug has weird hobbies
[14:01] <BluesKaj> d3bug, and sometimes less performance
[14:01] <d3bug> BluesKaj: oh I know... I have accidentally done that on lunar once... lol
[14:02] <BluesKaj> d3bug, so am i but i don't feel the need to compile everything from source
[14:03] <d3bug> BluesKaj:  that is what makes the world interesting... different people like different things... otherwise we would all be clones of each other, right? :)
[14:03] <tatertots> I had a big time gentoo guy that i worked with at dell
[14:03] <tatertots> he was obsessed with compiling everything from source lol
[14:04] <BluesKaj> d3bug, well there are linux users who are already clones of each other IME :-)
[14:04] <tatertots> i told him one day..."look man..other people have other things they need to get done and don't have time to compile everything from source"
[14:04] <d3bug> BluesKaj:  very true... :D
[14:04] <tatertots> especially when that clock is ticking
[14:04] <d3bug> tatertots:  that's the benefit (and curse) of being retired..... LOTS of free time.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> d3bug, don't get me wrong ,compiling can be a very intersting experience , when it works
[14:05] <kltrg_> Hi, ducasse. Do you remember my VNC issues? Here’s a new one. I started using a new computer with which I
[14:05] <kltrg_> … ’d also like to connect to the VNC server. I use Remmina on both, same config. But connection fails.
[14:06] <d3bug> BluesKaj: yup... one of the distros that is close to my heart is Lunar (and Sourcemage) because the scripts are all bash based... nice and simple (instead of perl or python or somesuch)
[14:07] <vkkhurava> Hi, my hp deskjet all in one printer is not getting detected using wifi on my ubuntu, can someone pls help me
[14:07] <tatertots> Hello vkkhurava
[14:07] <vkkhurava> Hi
[14:08] <tatertots> are the printer and computer on the same network right now? ...can this be confirmed by pinging the printer from the computer?
[14:09] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:09] <BluesKaj> d3bug, I never learned any computer languages , but I did discover linux 11 yrs ago and haven't looked back
[14:09] <tatertots> ok thanks for confirming that you can ping the printer's ip addy from the ubuntu computer vkkhurava
[14:09] <vkkhurava> I am using same network from last 3 year it was working perfectly until i switched from Linux Mint to Ubuntu
[14:10] <vkkhurava> yes I am able to
[14:10] <tatertots> are you using HPLIP?
[14:10] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:10] <tatertots> or do you use HPLIP
[14:10] <d3bug> BluesKaj:  I learned BASIC of course, ASM (Assembly), C, Fortran, Pascal, COBOL, java (GOD I HATE JAVA), perl, python, and several other scripting langs, etc... kind of what I used to do.
[14:10] <tatertots> ok thanks for confirming that you have been using HPLIP vkkhurava
[14:11] <tatertots> have you run the HPLIP setup wizard?
[14:11] <d3bug> BluesKaj: my first home PC was a Timex Sinclair 1000 (z80 processor - 2MhZ)
[14:11] <vkkhurava> I tried uninstalling reinstalling HPLIP & have also checked connecting it using HP device manager USB mode
[14:12] <vkkhurava> on USB mode printer is working fine but went offline when I try to connect it using wifi
[14:12] <vkkhurava> yes I tried that too
[14:13] <tatertots> what errors does HPLIP setup wizard give ?
[14:13] <donofrio_> d3bug, I still have my Timex Sinclair 1000 ;)
[14:13] <vkkhurava> even I tried sudo hp-check -r  & remmediate all pending depedencies
[14:13] <BluesKaj> d3bug, right. I used pc application prpograms on the job with chemical analysis instruments in a pulp and paper laboratory, that was my introduction to computers
[14:13] <donofrio_> d3bug, with the 16mb expansion rampack
[14:13] <vkkhurava> it says device not found
[14:13] <d3bug> donofrio_: cool!  I lost mine in a house collapse... along with alot of vintage hardware (Commodore, Atari, etc)
[14:14] <tatertots> what version of HPLIP do u have installed? and what model HP printer?
[14:14] <vkkhurava> error: No devices found on bus: net
[14:14] <donofrio_> d3bug, sadness sorry to hear about that
[14:14] <vkkhurava> its 3.16.3
[14:14] <vkkhurava> hp deskjet 3545
[14:15] <d3bug> donofrio_: you mean 16k of course... the most RAM a TS1K could address was 1MB back then and that was a shitload of page flipping (and only one manufacturer that made that expansion)
[14:15] <donofrio_> d3bug, yah Kb not mb #facepalm on me
[14:15] <d3bug> lol
[14:16] <d3bug> donofrio_: if you could buy 16MB back then you would have to mortgage the house to do it :P
[14:16] <d3bug> donofrio_: and yet today we talk in GB and TB and soon to be exabytes for the standard I am sure...
[14:17] <vkkhurava> Is there any firewall enabled in ubuntu 16.04, which I can disable & try
[14:17] <donofrio_> when will snap packages be running on all archs?
[14:17] <tatertots> ok thanks for confirming deskjet 3545 and HPLIP 3.16.3
[14:18] <tatertots> is that deskjet 3545 a AIO/all in one?
[14:19] <d3bug> looks like it has a flatbed scanner on it tater...
[14:20] <tatertots> looking for it in the list over at HPLIP
[14:20] <tatertots> i'll look a bit more..it's gotta be in this HPLIP device list somewhere
[14:21] <kltrg_> Can somebody else help me to connect to a computer using VNC. Remmina only says: Connection failed.
[14:22] <vkkhurava> ok thx tatertots
[14:22] <tatertots> close as i could find in the HPLIP list was HP 3500
[14:23] <vkkhurava> same setup was working on linux Mint 17.2 & 17.3
[14:23] <tatertots> i found a HP 3535 in the HPLIP list and a HP 3538
[14:24] <vkkhurava> ok
[14:25] <tatertots> vkkhurava have there been any other hardware/software changes?...is there a hardware/software firewall between these devices?
[14:26] <vkkhurava> yes its OS change from Mint to Ubuntu & direct connection from Dlink router to printer & laptop
[14:26] <tatertots> you did confirm that you can ping the printer's ip address from the ubuntu system is that still an accurate statement?
[14:26] <vkkhurava> no firewall i guess
[14:26] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:27] <vkkhurava> From 192.168.0.103 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[14:27] <mrasker> hello, i have ubuntu 14.04 64bit with rhythmbox. I don't know if this is the rigt place to ask about the rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin.
[14:27] <mrasker> rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin works file in my laptop but it freezes rhytmbox in my desktop. I installed several times and in different ways but always the same result
[14:27] <tatertots> wait a sec
[14:28] <tatertots> so when you ping the printer's ip address do you get replies back or is the destination host unreachable?
[14:28] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:29] <vkkhurava> oppps yes its showing destination host unreachable
[14:29] <tatertots> ah thank your for now confirming you can NOT ping the printer and get reply
[14:30] <vkkhurava> yeah ! sorry I miss interpret the ping reply
[14:31] <tatertots> can you print a printer setting page using the button panel on the printer to verify it's TCP/IP settings?.
[14:32] <tatertots> we need to know for %100 what this printer's configured with and one way to verify that is to print a network setting page from the printer
[14:32] <vkkhurava> OK give me a sec
[14:32] <tatertots> this will reveal wireless mode (there are two modes) ip address subnet mask gateway ect ect
[14:32] <vkkhurava> yes i hv the config print in my hand
[14:32] <tatertots> it will also reveal the SSID it's associated with
[14:33] <tatertots> all this info is important when we dive into trouble shooting your network connectivity ...or lack there of :P
[14:33] <vkkhurava> yes its there
[14:34] <tatertots> what mode is the wireless adapter in ?  (there are two modes) tell me explicitly as said on the printer settings page you are holding
[14:34] <vkkhurava> wireless & ipv4
[14:35] <tatertots> does it appear to be associated with the correct SSID?
[14:35] <vkkhurava> 802.11 wireless & ipv4
[14:35] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:35] <tatertots> i'm still listening for 1 of those 2 wireless modes i asked about previously but i'll continue
[14:36] <vkkhurava> yes both says connected & getting IP from my wifi router
[14:37] <tatertots> let's take that printer's ip netmask and compare it to the ip and netmask of your ubuntu computer
[14:37] <tatertots> if you don't want to post your ip addresses in the public feel free to pm me
[14:37] <tatertots> not much to worry about but in case you are paranoid like me :P
[14:38] <vkkhurava> both start with same 3 octate like 192.168.0.X & having same subnet mast
[14:39] <tatertots> thank you for confirming both devices are 192.168.x.x
[14:39] <tatertots> and have the same netmask
[14:39] <tatertots> probably /24
[14:39] <tatertots> there is a 3rd piece of network info missing?
[14:39] <vkkhurava> yes
[14:39] <tatertots> take a guess
[14:39] <vkkhurava> ipv6
[14:40] <vkkhurava> is it
[14:40] <tatertots> DEFAULT GATEWAY
[14:40] <tatertots> never omit this
[14:40] <vkkhurava> ohhh thats also same 192.168.1.1
[14:40] <tatertots> this is critical
[14:40] <vkkhurava> its not as its not public ip address
[14:41] <tatertots> something is in between these devices
[14:41] <tatertots> since u cannot ping
[14:41] <vkkhurava> only D link router
[14:41] <tatertots> ping successfully
[14:41] <tatertots> there is a SPI layer firewall in your router
[14:41] <tatertots> don't worry about that
[14:42] <tatertots> it's not your problem
[14:42] <vkkhurava> ok
[14:42] <tatertots> there is another firewall that you are not thinking about
[14:42] <spupy> Is there a working DE/WM-agnostic window switcher? I heard of skippy-xd but could never get it to work.
[14:42] <tatertots> that is in between your ubuntu computer and this printer
[14:42] <vkkhurava> os firewall if any
[14:42] <tatertots> bingo
[14:42] <tatertots> you're good....i like you
[14:43] <vkkhurava> :-)
[14:43] <dima0xff> hello guys
[14:43] <dima0xff> how to programming microcontrollers in ubuntu?
[14:44] <tatertots> I'm gonna drop just one hint to point you
[14:44] <vkkhurava> ok
[14:44] <tatertots> because it's the only thing that's coming to mind when i think about what all is "in between" your printer and your ubuntu system
[14:45] <tatertots> have you ever heard of iptables/chains?
[14:45] <vkkhurava> yes I do know
[14:45] <tatertots> ok
[14:45] <tatertots> have you ruled that out already?
[14:45] <vkkhurava> do not how to configure it
[14:45] <vkkhurava> not yet
[14:46] <vkkhurava> as I am good in GUI
[14:46] <tatertots> can you think of anything else that could be "in between" these devices on your LAN that we have not discussed thus far?
[14:46] <vkkhurava> noap nothing apart from this
[14:46] <tatertots> you didn't sneak and install a "sonic wall" on me now did you?....i'm joking j/k that was an attempt at humor
[14:46] <dima0xff> how to programming microcontrollers in ubuntu?
[14:47] <vkkhurava> :-)
[14:48] <tatertots> would you be okay with just opening the firewall on your system to allow the printer and computer to communicate
[14:48] <ioria> dimi34ka, http://hackaday.com/2010/11/03/how-to-program-pics-using-linux/
[14:48] <vkkhurava> yes let me know how to do that
[14:49] <tatertots> ok
[14:52] <fabien_> c bon je croix
[14:53] <theos> hi
[14:54] <theos> when i try to play music with mpg321 with the '-o alsa' option, some files are played with increased tempo and pitch. how do i fix it? i use '-o alsa' option because the pulseaudio cant seem to play multiple streams at the same time. help!
[14:55] <tatertots> first
[14:56] <tatertots> let's make a backup of your current firewall state
[14:56] <vkkhurava> ok
[14:56] <tatertots> prior to making any changes
[14:56] <tatertots> that way you can always revert back to the way things are "right now"
[14:56] <vkkhurava> ok
[14:57] <anabain> does anybody know if radeon video cards that are currently having issues in 16.04 due to fglrx not being supported any more will be usable in the future? Or should I give up say bye bye to AMD/ATI stuff and buy a cheap nvidia (I'm not going to game)?
[14:57] <tatertots> sudo iptables-save > /home/vkkhurava/iptables_backup.rules
[14:58] <tatertots> what i did there was assume your username is the same on your linux box as your screename
[14:58] <vkkhurava> yes, done
[14:58] <tatertots> now let's poke some holes in that firewall and try to ping printer again
[14:58] <vkkhurava> but that is just 0 byte file
[14:59] <Yuri4_> Guys, I need to file file package.json inside of /server/ folder. But I don't know where /server/ folder is and got hundreads of packages.json on the server. How do I find package.json inside of /server/ folder?
[14:59] <k1l_> anabain: amd told to better support the free drivers now that they are not making fglrx anymore. but no one can guarantee that. if it comes to free drivers and non_gaming performance intel integraded cards are totally fine.
[14:59] <tatertots> hmm ok
[14:59] <tatertots> let's try listing any rules with sudo iptables -L
[15:00] <tatertots> do you see any rules when you run sudo iptables -L ?
[15:00] <vkkhurava> no table is empty
[15:00] <tatertots> ok
[15:02] <anabain> k1l_, thanks, I know about intel, but my mobo doesn't have any integrated card, I think I'll have to buy a cheap Nvidia...
[15:03] <akik> Yuri4_: "find /server -name packages.json"
[15:04] <tatertots> sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[15:04] <Yuri4_> akik, thank but it doesn't work. The correct comand is `find . -iname package.json | grep server/package.json`
[15:04] <tatertots> sudo iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[15:04] <Yuri4_> akik, thanks for the effort though!
[15:04] <vkkhurava> done
[15:04] <akik> Yuri4_: please don't tell me the find command doesn't work as it does
[15:05] <Yuri4_> akik, `find /server -name packages.json
[15:05] <Yuri4_> find: ‘/server’: No such file or directory
[15:05] <Yuri4_> `
[15:05] <Yuri4_> this has been done in ./
[15:05] <akik> Yuri4_: you were referencing /server, not me
[15:06] <tatertots> start pinging the printer and just let the ping run and leave it open for quick view
[15:07] <tatertots> open a new terminal to work if needed but leave the ping going where you can see it
[15:07] <vkkhurava> yes ping started but still not connecting
[15:07] <tatertots> ok good
[15:08] <tatertots> sudo iptables -F
[15:08] <vkkhurava> done
[15:10] <mikubuntu> Omg, black screen of death. Box was getting all buggy on me since an update 2 notes back so I decided it was time to update.
[15:12] <tatertots> iptables -X
[15:12] <tatertots> iptables -t nat -F
[15:13] <tatertots> iptables -t nat -X
[15:13] <tatertots> iptables -t mangle -F
[15:13] <tatertots> iptables -t mangle -X
[15:14] <tatertots> iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[15:14] <tatertots> iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[15:14] <tatertots> iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[15:15] <vkkhurava> done
[15:16] <tatertots> if you create a backup now with sudo iptables-save > /home/vkkhurava/iptables.rules     does it have any rules in the file?
[15:16] <theos> when i try to play music with mpg321 with the '-o alsa' option, some files are played with increased tempo and pitch. how do i fix it? i use '-o alsa' option because the pulseaudio cant seem to play multiple streams at the same time. help!
[15:16] <vkkhurava> yes now it has something
[15:16] <tatertots> sweet
[15:17] <tatertots> how's that ping looking?...might need to restart iptables or just reboot
[15:18] <vkkhurava> ping still not happening
[15:18] <vkkhurava> how to restart iptables
[15:18] <vkkhurava> reboot will vanish all of this
[15:18] <tatertots> can you ping this printer from another machine on the network
[15:18] <theos> are there good command line mp3 players?
[15:18] <tatertots> is this ubuntu box your only computer?
[15:19] <vkkhurava> yes
[15:19] <tatertots> no android phone even?
[15:19] <vkkhurava> yes I hv
[15:19] <tatertots> can you ping the printer from your android phone and get replies
[15:20] <vkkhurava> ok
[15:20] <jak2000> how to change the time of ask a password when use sudo command?
[15:20] <tatertots> i'd like to ping the printer from a known good device on the same network that ISN'T the ubuntu box in question today
[15:20] <tatertots> if at all possible
[15:21] <vkkhurava> same from my android device
[15:21] <vkkhurava> destination host unrechable
[15:21] <tatertots> doesn't reply either eh
[15:21] <tatertots> then its not the iptables/chain on ubuntu blocking then
[15:22] <tatertots> you can't ping from another known good device on the lan
[15:22] <tatertots> can you ping the Ubuntu computer from your andoid?
[15:22] <vkkhurava> ok
[15:23] <ioria> jak2000, you mean the time out ?
[15:24] <tatertots> were you able to ping the ubuntu computer's ip address from the android on the same LAN?
[15:24] <vkkhurava> noap
[15:25] <tatertots> reboot your router
[15:25] <vkkhurava> ok
[15:25] <tatertots> let it stay off for about 10 seconds
[15:25] <vkkhurava> ok
[15:27] <ducasse> kltrg_: sorry about the delay, afk. can you see the attempted connections in the lightdm logs?
[15:28] <mrasker> when i run rhythmbox in the terminal there seem to be a lot of errors in the terminal. Could anybody help'
[15:29] <kltrg_> ducasse, I figured out my mistake. It had to do with the password I was typing in on the other machine.
[15:29] <ducasse> kltrg_: ok :)
[15:30] <aalu> I am using lm_sensors to monitor the temperature on a board, is there something that can log the data and export the data?
[15:32] <tatertots> mrasker what command and syntax are you using when you run rhythmbox in terminal???
[15:32] <mrasker> simply rhythmbox
[15:33] <aalu> Does anyone have experience with lm_sensors?
[15:33] <tatertots> does rhythmbox open and function as designed as far as you can tell when you do it that way?
[15:34] <tatertots> try rhythmbox 2>/dev/null
[15:35] <vkkhurava> anything required to roll back in iptable.
[15:35] <tatertots> welcome back vkkhurava
[15:35] <ducasse> aalu: not familiar with lm_sensors, but collectd has a plugin for it iirc. probably many monitoring systems also.
[15:35] <vkkhurava> still ping is not working
[15:36] <tatertots> after rebooting your router can you ping any device from your android? either printer or computer?
[15:37] <aalu> ducasse: thanks! I will look into that
[15:37] <vkkhurava> no
[15:37] <tatertots> if no..then the network gear is the only thing "in between" those devices
[15:38] <vkkhurava> what is that
[15:38] <ducasse> aalu: collectd is actually really nice, there are several frontends etc available to visualize/work with the data.
[15:38] <vkkhurava> Is there anything need to check on Dlink router
[15:38] <tatertots> everything with the exception of your phone, the printer, and the computer
[15:38] <tatertots> everything "in between"
[15:39] <vkkhurava> nothing expect router
[15:39] <mrasker> I tryed tatertots and i get no mistake but things don't work right either.
[15:40] <tatertots> are you familiar with making "ad hoc" mode wifi connections
[15:40] <mrasker> You can find the error in the following pastebin http://pastebin.com/LHFpV0yb
[15:40] <tatertots> ?
[15:40] <aalu> ducasse: do you know if I can export data from collectd?
[15:40] <vkkhurava> nothing except router
[15:41] <vkkhurava> ad-hoc yes
[15:41] <tatertots> that would rule out the equipment "in between" all your devices
[15:41] <ducasse> aalu: i think it has a plugin for csv export, but it's been a while since i used it.
[15:41] <vkkhurava> let me create & try
[15:41] <tatertots> if you were to make an "ad hoc" connection and determine connectivity by pinging
[15:42] <aalu> ducasse: ok, I will look into it. Thanks again!
[15:42] <tatertots> that would isolate / rule out the network gear
[15:42] <ducasse> aalu: np :)
[15:42] <tatertots> at this time looks like you have a network gear issue
[15:43] <tatertots> your pings are not traversing the switch/LAN
[15:43] <tatertots> or WLAN
[15:45] <tatertots> mrasker are you having rhythmbox problems?
[15:45] <tatertots> what's going on with your rhythmbox mrasker?
[15:46] <mrasker> yes, with the radio-browser-plugin. I seems it can't conect to the internet and crashes rythmbox
[15:46] <tatertots> Ah...mrasker..i think i remember you or someone else mentioning that issue earlier or yesterday
[15:47] <tatertots> I'll assist best i can ...i'm gonna refill my coffee brb
[15:49] <mrasker> it was me i'm afraid
[15:49] <mr_lou> So this has been going on for years and years for me: Video-files I've recorded on my phone; 2 hours are added to their datetime when viewing the files from Ubuntu, and thus also when copying. Viewing the same files on the phone has correct timestamp. What gives?
[15:50] <tatertots> I'm back
[15:50] <tatertots> it was you mrasker?...what did you do sir?
[15:51] <tatertots> mr lou
[15:51] <vkkhurava> ad hoc created but not getting connected
[15:52] <vkkhurava> is there anything required to revert back in iptables
[15:52] <vkkhurava> ?
[15:52] <tatertots> is your phone iphone or android? is your phone set to automatically set timezone and time over the net?
[15:52] <vkkhurava> yes
[15:52] <vkkhurava> its android
[15:52] <tatertots> just iptables -f
[15:52] <tatertots> sorry -F
[15:52] <tatertots> capital "F"
[15:52] <genii> mr_lou: Is it a Sony phone?
[15:52] <mr_lou> tatertots, Android, automatic right now but I think I've tried both.
[15:52] <mr_lou> genii, Yes
[15:53] <vkkhurava> ok
[15:53] <tatertots> mr lou check your timezone on your phone
[15:53] <mr_lou> tatertots, Did, is set to the same as on Ubuntu
[15:53] <tatertots> an exact 2 hours difference sure smells like a time zone difference
[15:53] <mr_lou> tatertots, Yes it does. My timezone is GMT+2
[15:54] <mr_lou> tatertots, But I don't see any wrong settings anywhere.
[15:54] <genii> mr_lou: Some like Xperia have a weird issue where hardware clock is not settable by software so it will always be whay got set at the factory. Then the phone grabs actual time from service provider. But some files get created with hardware clock time
[15:54] <mr_lou> genii, That sucks big hairy nuts....
[15:54] <tatertots> genii hit the nail on the head
[15:54]  * mr_lou shakes head of Sony
[15:55] <mr_lou> Although, wife has the same phone, and no problem when copying to Windows.
[15:55] <mr_lou> So Windows has some kind of "hardware-clock detection"?
[15:56] <Jordan_U> mr_lou: Is the problem with the ctime of the file, the date recorded in the video's metadata, or both?
[15:56] <mr_lou> It's on the file. Haven't looked at any metadata.
[15:56] <mtoroyarzo> w
[15:57] <Random12345> hey! i got a question regarding updating ubuntu. i've asked it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2328783 but don't feel i got a complete answer. question: every few days i run "Software Updater", and i just did today, just after i opened "Ubuntu Software" and there are 3 updates there available. why do these updates not get downloaded with "Software Updater"? do i have to check 2 places for updates?
[15:58] <tatertots> mr lou when you check to see what time it is when you glance at your phone...do you think you are seeing the "hardware" clock or another clock?
[15:58] <mr_lou> tatertots, I'm using a plain file-explorer (OI File Manager).
[15:58] <BluesKaj> Random12345, run full upgrade
[15:58] <mr_lou> tatertots, So I'm assuming it's not the hardware clock, but just the normal timestamp as any file-explorer shows.
[15:59] <Random12345> BluesKaj: what do you mean by full upgrade? update from both "Software Updater" and "Ubuntu Software"?
[15:59] <mr_lou> tatertots, It's not always 2 hours. Sometimes it's 1 hour wrong. I think it depends on whether or not it's summertime.
[15:59] <OerHeks> Random12345, full-upgrade or dist-upgrade will install those heldback packages
[15:59] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get full-upgrade
[16:00] <BluesKaj> Random12345, in the console , sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:00] <tatertots> vkkhurava you still around?...no connectivity even when in "ad hoc" mode between two devices?
[16:00] <Jordan_U> mr_lou: Are you both using MTP to transfer the files? Have you confirmed that the same file has different ctimes depending on whether you look at the ctime with Windows vs Ubuntu?
[16:01] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, tatertots, funny discovery just now. Using MTP shows correct time on files. Wrong timestamp is when using Mass Storage.
[16:01] <vkkhurava_> yes, created ad-hoc but not getting connected
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Random12345, all packagemangers use the the dpkg management system be it gui or apt in the terminal
[16:01] <Random12345> OerHeks & BluesKaj : ok, will do. just don't understand why if you want to upgrade your system fully via gui then you have to go two places. what's the logic behind it? is it that the heldback upgrades (dist-upgrade) are potentially harmful/not tested extensively yet?
[16:02] <tatertots> geez vkkhurava you must have pissed off the TCP/IP gods lol ...another attempt at humor
[16:02] <mr_lou> Never had the option of using MTP before though. It's a recent thing for me, with the new Ubuntu 16.04. Used 12.04 before.
[16:02] <vkkhurava_> There is new thing which I did in dlink router security setting by enabling mix mode & now device is getting detected
[16:02] <Random12345> am i right to assume: Software Updater = "sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade", while Ubuntu Software = "sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[16:03] <vkkhurava_> but not getting hplip drivers to connect, only showing ipp network printer via DNS-SD
[16:03] <tatertots> is your ubuntu computer hardwired or wlan connected?
[16:03] <tatertots> i'm assuming the printer is connected via wlan
[16:03] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Random12345, no need to go to 2 guis , just use the console /terminal , it's simpler and smother
[16:04] <tatertots> and the computer is wired/wireless connected?
[16:04] <vkkhurava_> wireless
[16:04] <BluesKaj> apt is a wrapper for apt-get which alluse dpkg anyway
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Random12345,^
[16:04] <tatertots> had you been in the dlink router messing around around the same time you went from mint > ubuntu?
[16:05] <vkkhurava_> no
[16:05] <ymate> hi there fellas
[16:05] <vkkhurava_> but that time it was working without any issue
[16:05] <tatertots> thank your for confirming your are in "mixed mode" right now....question is ..how did you have it set previously?
[16:05] <tatertots> N mode ONLY
[16:05] <tatertots> AC mode ONLY
[16:05] <vkkhurava_> no it was WPA2 only
[16:05] <ymate> Why is it that when I run "sudo apt-get update" instead of 30 or more lines I only get three lines in the new release? 16 LTS??
[16:05] <tatertots> that's encryption
[16:06] <tatertots> I'm talking about the RF mode
[16:06] <ymate> is there a problem with this?
[16:06] <tatertots> "mixed mode" is not encryption
[16:06] <ymate> or my ubuntu installation?
[16:06] <actionparsnip> ymate: what is the output of:   lsb_release -c
[16:06] <vkkhurava_> I just changes authentication Type & encryption
[16:07] <ymate> Codename:	xenial
[16:07] <BluesKaj> ymate, depends what number of packages need upgrading
[16:07] <ymate> actionparsnip ^
[16:07] <tatertots> and you set it to "mixed mode" right?
[16:07] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:07] <tatertots> what WAS it set to before you did "mixed mode"
[16:07] <ymate> actionparsnip : is this totally normal for xenial
[16:07] <vkkhurava_> auth type was WPA2 & encryption was AES
[16:07] <tatertots> ah ok
[16:08] <Random12345> BluesKaj & OerHeks: thanks!
[16:08] <actionparsnip> ymate: can you please pastebin the output of:   sudo apt-get update
[16:08] <tatertots> now that you have it in "mixed mode"
[16:08] <tatertots> were you able to establish an "ad hoc" connection/network between two devices?
[16:08] <vkkhurava_> now thing is hplip driver is not showing while connecting it
[16:09] <vkkhurava_> no
[16:09] <vkkhurava_> ad-hoc was created but not able connect it
[16:09] <tatertots> hmm ok
[16:09] <vkkhurava_> there was no range
[16:09] <tatertots> so you are back to infrastructure mode?
[16:09] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:10] <ymate> actionparsnip : http://pasted.co/9f1085d9
[16:10] <tatertots> and still nothing can ping any other thing on your entire network
[16:10] <tatertots> ?
[16:10] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:10] <tatertots> all devices are wireless correct?
[16:10] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:11] <actionparsnip> ymate: thanks, yeah thats a bit weird. Can you pastebin the output of:   cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:11] <actionparsnip> ymate: or run:  sudo apt-get install pastebinit; cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[16:12] <tatertots> can you ping 192.168.1.1
[16:13] <vkkhurava_> same destination host unreachable
[16:13] <tatertots> I'm assuming your default gateway is 192.168.1.1.........actually i think you mentioned that earlier lol..so i'm not really assuming lol
[16:13] <tatertots> WHOO
[16:13] <tatertots> WHOO
[16:13] <vkkhurava_> yes it is
[16:14] <ymate> actionparsnip : thank you mate. http://pasted.co/dc794b3e
[16:14] <tatertots> pinging your default gateway address results in "destination unreachable"
[16:14] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:14] <tatertots> something is major wrong with your network
[16:14] <tatertots> that's not cool
[16:14] <Random12345> follow up question to my previous question: do all updates displayed in "Ubuntu Software" get included into "Softwar Updater" after enough people have installed them? updates are phased in as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates ?
[16:15] <tatertots> i'm shocked you are online right now
[16:15] <vkkhurava_> I dont think so if there were any problem with my network I were not able to connect over internet
[16:15] <actionparsnip> ymate: looks fine, you dont have the partner repo enabled but you should see more than a few lines with apt-get imho
[16:15] <actionparsnip> ymate: let me spin up a VM real quick
[16:15] <popey> Random12345: I don't believe phased updates was ever implemented
[16:15] <ymate> actionparsnip : then why is this happening?
[16:15] <popey> Random12345: It's implemented for clicks on the phone, but i don't think it is for debs on the desktop/server
[16:15] <vkkhurava_> thats because there are some other setting along with gateway in Dlink
[16:16] <tatertots> something isn't quite right though or there is more to this network than i've been told about thus far
[16:17] <ymate> actionparsnip : and why would you need a VM?
[16:17] <actionparsnip> ymate: i'm going to see if this is normal by using a VM with Xenial. 2 ticks
[16:17] <tatertots> can you ping 127.0.0.1
[16:17] <actionparsnip> ymate: Im on Precise
[16:17] <ymate> actionparsnip : you havn't tried it?
[16:17] <ymate> ok I see
[16:17] <Random12345> popey: ok. do you know if updates in "Ubuntu Software" eventually are added to "Software Updater"?
[16:17] <actionparsnip> ymate: no need to as Precise works. Let me get this VM up and I can test
[16:17] <ymate> I <3 Ubuntu
[16:17] <Random12345> not phased in, but just added.
[16:17] <allamoox> Hello
[16:18] <OerHeks> Random12345, updates appear in proposed first
[16:18] <allamoox> http://pastebin.com/TsSBNRZG
[16:18] <vkkhurava_> my orginal gateway is different which I able to ping there is nothing wrong with network
[16:18] <vkkhurava_> I have checked the routing table
[16:18] <allamoox> This error Pissing me off and I dont understand why I have it
[16:18] <allamoox> can any expert have a look please
[16:18] <Random12345> OerHeks: proposed?
[16:19] <vkkhurava_> yes I am
[16:19] <tatertots> vkkhurava....i think you mean there is nothing wrong with "internet" ....
[16:19] <baumy_> can someone running ubuntu (preferably 14.04) on a thinkpad x1 carbon gen 4 dump a list of installed packages to a pastebin? dpkg --get-selections| grep -v deinstall | sed 's/\s\+install//'
[16:19] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:19] <tatertots> if your network was fine you'd be printing
[16:19] <baumy_> think i screwed up my drivers
[16:19] <vkkhurava_> seems problem with my intranet only
[16:19] <tatertots> LAN problem
[16:19] <tatertots> WAN/internet is fine
[16:20] <tatertots> aka intranet
[16:20] <popey> Random12345: software updater just shows whatever is waiting to be updated
[16:20] <OerHeks> Random12345, "The proposed updates are updates which are waiting to be moved into the recommended updates queue after some testing"
[16:21] <tatertots> an "ad hoc" connection between devices didn't even work.......or wait ...yes it worked "ad hoc" after you changed router to "mixed mode"
[16:21] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuUpdates
[16:21] <ymate> guys anyone have tried Xenial in here?
[16:21] <ymate> specially "sudo apt-get update"?
[16:21] <ymate> on Xenial?
[16:21] <vkkhurava_> is there anything we can look into /etc/services
[16:22] <vkkhurava_> I didnt find port 9100 there
[16:22] <tatertots> ect/services is on the ubuntu box....that wouldn't explain why you can't ping the printer from android on same LAN
[16:22] <popey> Random12345: end users generally don't enable proposed
[16:22] <actionparsnip> ymate: i cant get one booted in virtualbox. Some video weirdness. Maybe someone on Xenial can provide a sources.list to replace yours.
[16:23] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:23] <vkkhurava_> ok
[16:23] <ymate> actionparsnip : so mine should be either replaced or edited?
[16:23] <ymate> why exactly?
[16:23] <ymate> what is wrong?
[16:23] <tatertots> the only thing "in between" all your devices is "router"
[16:23] <vkkhurava_> yes
[16:24] <actionparsnip> ymate: its worth it if someone is getting different output to you
[16:24] <Random12345> popey & OerHeks : alright. so the updates i see in "Ubuntu Software" are so called "proposed updates" and may break my system if installed, and that is the very reason they are not included in "Software Updater". is this right?
[16:24] <ymate> I see
[16:24] <actionparsnip> ymate: make a copy of what you have then replace yours with one that is known to work
[16:24] <tatertots> have you ever used your android as a "hot spot"?
[16:25] <OerHeks> ymate, you might want to test  changing mirror from ir.archive.ubuntu.com/ to main
[16:26] <ymate> OerHeks : yes, but they are all hashed mate... # in the start of the lines
[16:26] <OerHeks> Random12345, proposed need to be tested, so it *can* break things.
[16:26] <ymate> and I have tried main for the united states, or the main server... they all only give three line outputs on "sudo apt-get update"
[16:27] <tatertots> I wonder if the wired side of your network has the same problem or if it's only the wireless
[16:27] <ymate> OerHeks : are you on Xenial?
[16:28] <tatertots> thank you for previously confirming all your devices are connected via WLAN
[16:29] <nme> hi
[16:29] <nme> i had just install ubuntu on my server
[16:29] <nme> and i found that my server could not get update for trusty-security
[16:29] <tatertots> congrats nme
[16:29] <nme> i am referring to sg.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:29] <tatertots> why did you install a legacy version of ubuntu on your sever?
[16:29] <actionparsnip> nme: try switching to the main server
[16:30] <nme> but i am alright on my.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:30] <nme> amy idea?
[16:30] <nme> any idea?
[16:30] <actionparsnip> tatertots: which version is legacy ?
[16:30] <OerHeks> ymate, no
[16:30] <actionparsnip> nme: I already replied....
[16:30] <nme> 14.04
[16:30] <tatertots> oh ok
[16:30] <tatertots> sorry
[16:30] <ymate> OerHeks : should I remove the ir mirrors , or should I double hash 'em mate?
[16:31] <actionparsnip> nme: switch to the main server, see if that helps
[16:31] <ymate> I don't know with what I should replace them
[16:31] <nme> may i know how to switch to the main server ?
[16:31] <OerHeks> ymate, you were right, all ir. entries are blocked
[16:31] <actionparsnip> nme: use software centre
[16:31] <nme> i am using ubuntu server
[16:31] <nme> no UI here
[16:31] <ymate> maybe I should double hash em ?
[16:32] <actionparsnip> nme: then you will need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all "sg.archive.ubuntu.com" to "archive.ubuntu.com"
[16:32] <actionparsnip> nme: then save the new file and run:  sudo apt-get update
[16:32] <ymate> wtf am I missing? this is making me nervous....
[16:32] <actionparsnip> nme: you may want to make an update using:  sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list-20160624
[16:33] <actionparsnip> nme: then you can roll back easily
[16:33] <tatertots> nme how is server could not get update for trusty-security preventing you from doing what you are trying to accomplish?
[16:33] <tatertots> what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:33] <akik> ymate: you're correct, there's less lines for apt-get update in xenial
[16:34] <tatertots> sorry i see someone is already helping you out
[16:34] <ymate> akik : then what happened to the update process of the good ol days?
[16:34] <ymate> how should I update my box?
[16:34] <akik> ymate: you don't get any errors though?
[16:34] <actionparsnip> ymate: its the same.... its never changed
[16:34] <nme> i am unsure, it stops at sg.archive.ubuntu.com for trusty-security check
[16:34] <ymate> akik : no, nothing that "I" could detect as error
[16:34] <akik> ymate: ok so it's working
[16:35] <actionparsnip> nme: yes, remove the "sg."  on each line.
[16:35] <nme> i tried to wget sg.archive.ubuntu.com/dists/trusty-security, but no avail
[16:35] <nme> just removed the sg
[16:35] <nme> it works now
[16:35] <nme> thanks guy
[16:35] <ymate> akik : so I just "apt-get update" then "apt-get dist-upgrade" like before right?
[16:35] <actionparsnip> nme: easy days
[16:36] <akik> ymate: sorry i don't know what you were trying to do. but apt-get update is working
[16:36] <nme> but any way to contact with them to check why my IP was blocked ?
[16:36] <nme> or the IP remains blocked forever ?
[16:36] <ymate> ok thanks akik
[16:36] <ymate> thanks community
[16:36] <nme> tried change to several ip within the same /29 but its block too
[16:36] <actionparsnip> nme: not seen any blocks before, not for updates
[16:37] <nme> owh, that sucks
[16:38] <nme> anyway to contact with the admin that is handling the repo ?
[16:38] <nme> it seems to be that certain directory only, i am able to access to /trusty but not for security
[16:39] <OerHeks> nme, unlikely your ip is blocked, some mirrors might be not up2date
[16:39] <OerHeks> "<nme> but i am alright on my.archive.ubuntu.com"  so there is no issue now, right?
[16:39] <nme> but my another server are able to access to the directory without issue
[16:40] <actionparsnip> nme: maybe its down for maintenance
[16:40] <nme> just wondering why i am unable to access to the server
[16:41] <actionparsnip> nme: how many servers are you updating approximately?
[16:41] <nme> now? 3
[16:41] <nme> but all with different IP range
[16:41] <nme> but in the same DC
[16:41] <Pici> nme: could be a routing problem too
[16:41] <nme> i can ping to sg.archive.ubuntu.com without issue
[16:41] <actionparsnip> nme: ok thats cool, if you start getting a lot then it may be worth having one as an update server with all the packages from the repos on it. A bit like a WSUS server
[16:42] <OerHeks> National University of Singapore One day behind / National University of Singapore (School of Computing - Siglabs) Six hours behind
[16:42] <actionparsnip> ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:42] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:42] <actionparsnip> that'll do it
[16:44] <Pici> nme: theres also #ubuntu-mirrors, you might be able to find a contact there
[16:46] <nme> thanks guy
[16:47] <Jordan_U> mr_lou: That might mean that the phone knows the timestamps are wrong but is correcting them before sending the file to the computer. With "Mass Storage" you're looking ar the raw filesystem and the phone can't (reasonably) fix up the tinestamps for you.
[16:48] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, I'm mostly just glad that I found a way that works. :)
[16:49] <mr_lou> Jordan_U, Wife and be both video-records a lot, and then we put both our clips together. They have to be in correct chronological order, and that's pretty difficult to do later when you don't know exactly when they were recorded.
[16:49] <mr_lou> *be=me
[16:52] <fckmsoft> hello, i recently got rid of windows10 because i noticed that whenever i rebooted, all of microsoft's phone-home crap was re-enabled even after i had turned everything off
[16:52] <fckmsoft> anyway my question is can i uninstall a default application that i know i will never use or is it hardwired, if you can call it that, with the OS?
[16:53] <fckmsoft> for example, on windows i have always used and love qbittorrent so i have installed it on ubuntu and have no use for the default transmission. having two bittorrent clients on my machine is redundant
[16:55] <vacho> I have a private pem file.. can I generate a public key based on my private key?
[16:56] <squinty> fckmsoft,  sure you can via such as the Software Center, Synaptic, apt, apt-get etc..  for example   sudo apt remove transmission  or  sudo apt purge transmission (typed in a terminal)
[16:57] <EvilAngel> et.org
[16:59] <fckmsoft> squinty: i'm reading up on documentation and it says to be careful because you might screw up your system
[16:59] <vacho> can someone please help me? I have a private key and would like to generate a public one. How do I go about that?
[17:03] <nacc> fckmsoft: torrenting is 100% not a core system function :)
[17:04] <akik> vacho: you could use -pubout with openssl but it doesn't create the same format than ssh-keygen
[17:05] <vacho> akik: I used ssh-keygen -y and then I pointed to my pem file
[17:06] <fckmsoft> nacc: transmission isn't the only application i want to uninstall so what's a safe way to make sure that i don't also uninstall a package that the system relies on?
[17:06] <akik> vacho: that seems to work fine
[17:06] <vacho> akik: thx
[17:07] <akik> vacho: thank you :)
[17:07] <akik> vacho: you need -f to point to the private key
[17:09] <fckmsoft> k1l_: you around buddy?
[17:09] <SchrodingersScat> fckmsoft: normally it's safe, it will prompt you if it's removing more than one package, and if a package is depended by another it shouldn't remove it
[17:09] <SchrodingersScat> or, shouldn't autoremove it
[17:10] <SchrodingersScat> from there you can use your judgement
[17:10] <fannymay> SchrodingersScat: nice, ty
[17:11] <nacc> fckmsoft: the package manager will warn you, usually
[17:11] <fckmsoft> SchrodingersScat: would you recommend synaptic?
[17:12] <fckmsoft> nacc: ok
[17:13] <SchrodingersScat> fckmsoft: I prefer apt/apt-get, but that's strictly personal preference afaik, synaptic should use the apt backend and just be giving you a pretty gui.
[17:14] <fckmsoft> SchrodingersScat: coming from m$ i'd prefer gui till i get use to using terminal :-)
[17:16] <iulianbarbu2> Hi! Are you familiar with this error = ERROR: installArchives() failed [newline] Subprocess output: E: Internal error, packages left unconfigured. openjdk-7-jdk:amd64 (I get it when i try to install android studio using umake command)
[17:16] <iulianbarbu2> ?
[17:16] <SchrodingersScat> fckmsoft: should be equivalent, apt is easier on a server or via ssh though ;)  good luck.
[17:20] <fckmsoft> thanks SchrodingersScat, squnity and nacc, take care
[17:26] <richardbrown> Drone: could you help me to create ubuntu wiki ccount
[17:27] <MonkeyDust> richardbrown  #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:28] <robots> asdfasdfasdf
[17:28] <richardbrown> MonkeyDust: I didn't get you?
[17:28] <MonkeyDust> robots  it works
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> richardbrown  type   /j #ubuntu-offtopic    ask there
[17:29] <croepha> so, how do the tools the automatically build debs from source debs know how to build from source? like is there a config file that says to run ./autogen.sh  or other ?
[17:29] <OerHeks> ubuntu wiki's are immutable, AFAIK
[17:30] <OerHeks> !build | croepha
[17:30] <nacc> croepha: ? may be better asked in #ubuntu-devel, but there is, generally, a debian/rules file (Makefile syntax) that defines how to build a source pacakge
[17:30] <richardbrown> Monkeydust : where to type?
[17:30] <MonkeyDust> richardbrown  here, in irc
[17:31] <Pici> wii richardbrown
[17:31] <OerHeks> richardbrown, maybe this page is a good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide && https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[17:31] <richardbrown> #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:31] <croepha> nacc: Ok awesome! That was what I was looking for thanks :)
[17:31] <vacho> anyone has a LAMP cloud-init script for AWS that is willing to share? I just want to setup a basic web server
[17:35] <Lol_> Hello :D
[17:46] <zFur> hello
[17:47] <zFur> quit
[17:47] <zFur> exit
[17:47] <michaelrose> lol
[17:51] <basisbit> why aren't the SDL2 libraries named in ubuntu package repositories like in almost all other package libraies?
[17:51] <nacc> basisbit: example?
[17:52] <basisbit> sdl2
[17:52] <basisbit> SDL2_image
[17:52] <fede__> gg
[17:52] <nacc> basisbit: i have no context, please give more details. Neither of those are Ubuntu package names.
[17:54] <ioria> !info libsdl2-2.0-0
[17:54] <basisbit> nacc, screw you. I don't want to adapt my configure or autoconf script for every OS just because they decide on some other naming convention...
[17:54] <ioria> !info libsdl2-image-2.0-0
[17:54] <nacc> uh, ok.
[17:54] <tgm4883> wow
[17:54] <ioria> overreacting
[17:58] <zFur> hi
[18:02] <Pelo> hey folks,  what command do I need to use to copy a whole directory including hidden subs ?
[18:03] <prappl93> Pelo: cp -R dir should do the trick
[18:05] <Pelo> prappl93, thanks
[18:07] <Pelo> wtf happened in 16.04, I just upgraded from lts and it's one annoyance after another
[18:07] <evhTap> Hey
[18:08] <EriC^^> hey
[18:08] <evhTap> Sup man
[18:08] <EriC^^> not much, you?
[18:08] <evhTap> Nothing
[18:08] <EriC^^> :D
[18:08] <evhTap> So you a programmer?
[18:09] <EriC^^> no
[18:09] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | Pelo
[18:09] <nacc> Pelo: you upgraded out of band :/
[18:09] <Pelo> lvely
[18:09] <evhTap> Hey who all is online?
[18:09] <Pelo> lovely
[18:09] <prappl93> Didn't 14.04 LTS not have systemd?
[18:10] <evhTap> But I'm on 16.04
[18:10] <Pelo> prappl93, don'T think so
[18:10] <evhTap> Hey Noons
[18:10] <Pelo> prappl93, are you saying systemd is to blame for my woes ?
[18:11] <prappl93> Pelo, might be, not sure.
[18:11] <nacc> prappl93: 14.04's default init system was upstart; but systemd was available
[18:11] <nacc> evhTap: this is a support channel, not a chat channel :)
[18:11] <evhTap> Hold on
[18:11] <evhTap> I don't understand
[18:11] <k1l_> !ot | evhTap
[18:11] <tgm4883> Pelo: Did I miss it or did you not state a problem?
[18:11] <Pelo> nacc, I'M assuming I shouldn'T bother with lubuntu 16.04 either and wait for .1
[18:12] <nacc> Pelo: what kind of issues are you seeing? we can try and help
[18:12] <evhTap> Oh cool thanks
[18:12] <Jordan_U> Pelo: How did you upgrade?
[18:12] <nacc> Pelo: same base, yeah, so if you are seeing system issues, then it won't make much of a difference
[18:12] <evhTap> But there are so few chat channels on this server
[18:12] <Pelo> tgm4883, I didn'T state a problem,  I came to ask for the correct options for cp,  I was going to install lubuntu instead
[18:12] <evhTap> Do any of you know any?
[18:12] <k1l_> evhTap: please read the bots message
[18:13] <tgm4883> Pelo: ah ok.
[18:13] <Pelo> Jordan_U, mostly it'S just missing apps and stuff that won'T update
[18:13] <nacc> Pelo: 'hidden' is not a thing to cp, use recursive copy with the right paths
[18:13] <tgm4883> Pelo: IDK about cp, but I'd use rsync
[18:13] <evhTap> Alright thanks
[18:13] <evhTap> leave
[18:13] <tgm4883> Pelo: have you tried 'cp -R'
[18:14] <nacc> Pelo: details will help, what applications are missing, or won't update?
[18:14] <Pelo> tgm4883, yes it's still idling,  no verbose or anything , bit worrysome if you ask me
[18:14] <nacc> Pelo: did you just run `cp -R`? or apropriate parameters?
[18:14] <Pelo> nacc, right now I'm chatting with xchat-gnome because xchat is missing from the new repos...
[18:14] <k1l_> Pelo: cp doesnt do output in standard mode. just wait for it to exit.
[18:15] <tgm4883> Pelo: well I don't think cp tells you what it's doing by default. I'd do a 'rsync -av'
[18:15] <k1l_> Pelo: xchat is dead. use hexchat instead
[18:15] <tgm4883> Pelo: xchat is gone
[18:15] <Jordan_U> Pelo: How did you upgrade?
[18:15] <tgm4883> Pelo: it's no longer in development
[18:15] <Pelo> nacc, sudo cp -R /home/jean /Downloads
[18:15] <u0_a240> weechat is better
[18:16] <Pelo> wuttt ? noooOoo!!!!!!
[18:16]  * Pelo just found his cp error ,  /mnt/Downloads ...
[18:17] <Pelo> Jordan_U, , I upgraded online   ...manager -d
[18:17] <nacc> Pelo: did you read what the '-d' flag does?
[18:17] <k1l_> Pelo: -d is for "developer".
[18:17] <tgm4883> Pelo: Any other apps missing?
[18:18] <u0_a240> only IT guys use CLI Irc Client
[18:18] <Pelo> nacc,  I thought -d was equivalent to dist-upgrade
[18:18] <Niki_> I want screensaver
[18:18] <Niki_> Unity
[18:18] <Jordan_U> Pelo: It's short for --devel-release.
[18:18] <tgm4883> which IMO is a bit of a misnomer
[18:18] <Pelo> tgm4883, not that I have noticed so far,  I haven'T used my box as a working comp very much this past year,  mostly just as a download server
[18:19] <k1l_> Pelo: there are too many bad guys in the internet blindly telling others "to just use -d". but its not a good advice
[18:19] <Jordan_U> Pelo: Not a good idea to guess atwhat short options to important commands mean, though this is a common mistake.
[18:19] <tgm4883> Pelo: Ok then, you also mentioned stuff that wasn't updating?
[18:19] <Pelo> Jordan_U, I know, It's just been a while,
[18:19] <Niki_> HOw to install Screensaver Unity?
[18:19]  * Pelo use to be a big man in this channel,  even had ops for a couple of days
[18:20] <sailingteam4> td
[18:20] <sailingteam4> motd
[18:20] <OerHeks> Pelo, oh, just a volunteer, like the rest of us?
[18:21] <Pelo> OerHeks, yep
[18:22] <Pelo> tgm4883, , gime me a minute to locate the info
[18:22] <Niki_> Unity screensaver where get?
[18:23] <tgm4883> Niki_: you mean gnome-screensaver?
[18:23] <OerHeks> !info gnome-screensaver
[18:23] <Pelo> tgm4883, I thnk I might have resolved that part of the issue,  the can't uprade stuff seems to be gone
[18:23] <Niki_> ANy screensaver
[18:23] <tgm4883> Pelo: so then it's all working now?
[18:23] <Niki_> Any good screensaver
[18:24] <Pelo> tgm4883, apparently
[18:24] <OerHeks> best screensavers go blanc.
[18:24] <tgm4883> Pelo: great :)
[18:24] <Pelo> gtg,  ;luynch ready
[18:24] <tgm4883> OerHeks: debatable
[18:24] <Pelo> thanks for the info on the upgrade
[18:25] <OerHeks> tgm4883, true, else i called it not saving, but protecting
[18:35] <Guest2098> Fresh install of Ubuntu 14.04 with Catalyst 15.10, just installed it yesterday. Left my computer alone for 20 minutes, and when I came back, Xorg had crashed, the computer was totally unresponsive showing a black screen with a blinking terminal cursor.
[18:36] <Guest2098> Graphics drivers seem to be working fine. Games run perfectly, no issues other than that random crash. Before installing Ubuntu, I was on Arch for 3 months and never had a single crash.
[18:36] <Jordan_U> Guest2098: Why did you install 14.04 rather than 16.04? The open ati drivers in 16.04 are quite good for most cards.
[18:37] <ioria> Guest2098, have you rebooted ?
[18:37] <Guest2098> Joran_U: I need fglrx to play Divinity: Original Sin. Open drivers still aren't up to par yet, and AMDGPU Pro isn't supported on the R9 270X
[18:37] <Guest2098> ioria: Since I installed the graphics drivers? Yes, multiple times.
[18:38] <ioria> Guest2098, no, since the crash
[18:39] <Guest2098> ioria: Yes. The computer was unusable after the crash.
[18:39] <ioria> Guest2098, ok, open a console ?
[18:39] <Guest2098> ioria: I tried ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X session. And I tried ctrl+alt+f2 to get a fallback terminal. It was 100% unresponsive. Couldn't even get the caps lock light on my keyboard to respond.
[18:39] <Guest2098> ioria: I have a terminal open.
[18:41] <Yuri4_> is it possible to see what command I ran on server since it creation?
[18:41] <EriC^^> Yuri4_: "history"
[18:41] <EriC^^> last 2000 commands
[18:42] <EriC^^> Yuri4_: /var/log/auth.log* all commands ran by sudo
[18:43] <ioria> Guest2098, you can type commands ?   like cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[18:43] <Guest2098> ioria: Just checked the Xorg log. The error that caused the crash was "Not enough video memory to allocate primary surface (frame buffer).
[18:43] <Jordan_U> Yuri4_: Note that for various unfortunate reasons many commands won't actuakky end up in history by defualt, especially if you use more than one interactive shell at a time.
[18:43] <Guest2098> ioria: I will pastebin it
[18:44] <Guest2098> ioria: http://www.hastebin.com/mawepipudo.txt
[18:45] <ioria> Guest2098,  how did you installi it ?  fglrx or amd-driver-installer ?
[18:46] <Guest2098> ioria: I followed the instructions here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/704177/how-to-install-radeon-crimson-15-11-15-30-1025-in-ubuntu-15-04
[18:47] <Guest2098> ioria: Installed the prerequisites, built a deb from AMD's installer, and then installed the deb with dpkg
[18:47] <ioria> Guest2098,  i see
[18:48] <Guest2098> ioria: http://www.hastebin.com/utubesaxeh.txt
[18:48] <Guest2098> ioria: Sorry, I thought I had already sent that.
[18:48] <ioria> Guest2098,  well, you first try Additional Driver then explore other solutions ....
[18:49] <Guest2098> ioria: The Additional Drivers dialogue doesn't install the latest version. Unless it's been updated since the last time I checked? I haven't used Ubuntu as my primary os in a while.
[18:50] <ioria> Guest2098, maybe you have to unistall that
[18:51] <Guest2098> ioria: Uninstall what?
[18:51] <ioria> Guest2098,  you ran this , right ? sudo ./amd-driver-installer-15.30.1025-x86.x86_64.run
[18:52] <Guest2098> ioria: There were no previously installed drivers to uninstall. As I said, it was a fresh install. I installed Ubuntu, and then the first thing I did was install Catalyst.
[18:52] <Guest2098> ioria: No, I ran sudo ./amd-driver-installer-15.30.1025-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/trusty
[18:52] <Guest2098> Then 'sudo dpkg -i fglrx*.deb'
[18:53] <ioria> Guest2098,  yes, i mean you ran that installer ...
[18:53] <ioria> Guest2098,   can you paste dpkg -l | grep  fglrx*
[18:54] <Guest2098> dpkg -l | grep  fglrx* gives me no result, but if I remove the asterisk
[18:54] <Guest2098> ii  fglrx                                     2:15.300-0ubuntu1                          amd64        Video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators
[18:54] <Guest2098> ii  fglrx-amdcccle                            2:15.300-0ubuntu1                          amd64        Catalyst Control Center for the AMD graphics accelerators
[18:54] <Guest2098> ii  fglrx-core                                2:15.300-0ubuntu1                          amd64        Minimal video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators
[18:54] <Guest2098> ii  fglrx-dev                                 2:15.300-0ubuntu1                          amd64        Video driver for the AMD graphics accelerators (devel files)
[18:54] <Guest2098> ioria: Sorry, should have pastebinned that
[18:55] <ioria> Guest2098,   yep
[18:56] <ioria> Guest2098,   well,  if not working you can   sudo apt-get purge fglrx*   (with *)    and reboot
[18:56] <Guest2098> ioria: It's working fine now, I just don't know when it's going to crash again like that. Thanks for trying to help. I'm going to put up a thread on the Phoronix forums.
[18:57] <ioria> Guest2098,   ok
[18:58] <HeyThere> rather odd question. what's the actual name of the pie slice button (inet) and gear button (shutdown) in the top right corner in ubuntu?
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> HeyThere  'on/off button'
[19:01] <Niki_> I installed Mate screensaver but int not work on Unity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:02] <OerHeks> Niki_, we didn't suggest that
[19:02] <Niki_> I want screensaver
[19:02] <OerHeks> gnome-screensaver works
[19:02] <Niki_> ok
[19:03] <MonkeyDust> a screensaver is something you don't see, because you're not at your desk or not working
[19:03] <Niki_> How to install ?
[19:03] <Niki_> gnome-screensaver
[19:05] <Niki_>  gnome-screensaver   (gnome-screensaver:2795): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:3645:34: 'theme_selected_bg_color' is not a valid color name  ** (gnome-screensaver:2795): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[19:05] <OerHeks> you might want to install synaptic first, detailed softwarecenter
[19:05] <Niki_> ???
[19:05] <OerHeks> oh, remove that mate thingy first, i guess
[19:06] <EriC^^> Niki_: what are yout rying to do?
[19:06] <Niki_> how ?
[19:06] <Niki_> I want screensaver Unity
[19:06] <EriC^^> Niki_: type gnome-screensaver-command -l
[19:06] <ioria> gnome-screensaver is installed by default iirc
[19:07] <Niki_> I now removed it
[19:07] <EriC^^> ok
[19:07] <OerHeks> ioria, nope, optional
[19:07] <ioria> OerHeks, really ? odd
[19:08] <ioria> i don't remember to have installed it...
[19:08] <OerHeks> there are energy schemes, that work simular
[19:08] <tgm4883> its installed by default
[19:09] <OerHeks> .. oh it is
[19:09] <tgm4883> yea
[19:09] <OerHeks> !info gnome-screensaver
[19:09] <OerHeks> that got me off track
[19:11]  * tgm4883 wonders where that optional comes from
[19:11] <tgm4883> !info unity
[19:11] <tgm4883> well there you go :)
[19:11] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic
[19:11] <EriC^^> :D
[19:11] <Niki_> gnome-screensaver  (gnome-screensaver:3684): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk-widgets.css:3645:34: 'theme_selected_bg_color' is not a valid color name  ** (gnome-screensaver:3684): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session
[19:12] <EriC^^> Niki_: even if you removed it, it's running in memory
[19:12] <tgm4883> Niki_: are you trying to run that from the command line?
[19:12] <Niki_> yes
[19:12] <ioria> i read something about this  pkg, and that, in few words, it's not a screen-saver anymore ...
[19:12] <EriC^^> one way is to remove the ram, the other is to do kill gnome-terminal
[19:13] <EriC^^> (j/k)
[19:14] <Niki_> kill gnome-terminal bash: kill: gnome-terminal: arguments must be process or job IDs
[19:14] <EriC^^> Niki_: try pkill gnome-terminal
[19:15] <EriC^^> sorry
[19:15] <EriC^^> pkill gnome-screensaver
[19:15] <Niki_> terminal closed
[19:15] <Niki_> nothing no write
[19:16] <EriC^^> Niki_: try ps aux | grep gnome-screensaver
[19:16] <Niki_>  3786  0.0  0.0  21296  1020 pts/5    S+   22:16   0:00 grep --color=auto gnome-screensaver
[19:16] <EriC^^> it's gone
[19:17] <Niki_> killall?
[19:17] <nme_> hi all
[19:17] <EriC^^> no, that's the grep command itself
[19:18] <nme_> i got issue with ssh key that whenever i rebooted the server, it refused my key, but once i had logged in using password from the console of the server, it is ok again
[19:18] <nme_> is there any possible way that would cause the issue
[19:20] <Niki_> EriC?
[19:20] <EriC^^> yes?
[19:20] <Niki_> ANd ?
[19:20] <EriC^^> Niki_: what are you trying to do?
[19:20] <Niki_> I want rin screensaver
[19:20] <Niki_> run
[19:21] <EriC^^> Niki_: i gave you the command earlier, "gnome-screensaver-command -l"
[19:21] <Niki_> logouy
[19:21] <Niki_> logiut
[19:21] <Niki_> logout
[19:21] <Niki_> :)
[19:21] <EriC^^> set it not to ask for a password
[19:21] <EriC^^> hold on
[19:22] <Niki_> yes i enter it and I here
[19:22] <EriC^^> settings > brightness & lock
[19:22] <EriC^^> remove the lock
[19:23] <EriC^^> it actually still asks for the password, must be a bug
[19:24] <EriC^^> in a terminal type xset s <seconds before screensaver comes on>
[19:24] <EriC^^> and put that command in the startup apps
[19:24] <nme_> i got issue with ssh key that whenever i rebooted the server, it refused my key, but once i had logged in using password from the console of the server, it is ok again
[19:24] <nme_> is there any possible way that would cause the issue
[19:26] <Niki_> type xset s <seconds before screensaver comes on> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[19:26] <Niki_> xset s <seconds before screensaver comes on> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[19:27] <Niki_> xset s   --- nothing no  write
[19:28] <EriC^^> xset s 60
[19:28] <EriC^^> screensaver after 1 min
[19:29] <Niki_> ok i wait
[19:29] <EriC^^> you can put whatever you like
[19:30] <Niki_> its work!
[19:30] <Niki_> And what autorun?
[19:31] <EriC^^> go to the dash and type startup
[19:36] <Niki_> startup startup: command not found
[19:37] <Niki_> dash $ startup startup: command not founddash: 1: startup: not found $
[19:37] <Niki_> EriC^^, &
[19:38] <Niki_> EriC^^, no work
[19:38] <EriC^^> Niki_: type gnome-session-properties
[19:39] <Niki_> yes gui
[19:39] <Niki_> all activated
[19:39] <EriC^^> add a command
[19:40] <Niki_> Gnome software?
[19:40] <EriC^^> click on add
[19:40] <Niki_> ok
[19:43] <Niki_> And?
[19:44] <EriC^^> put the command where it says command
[19:45] <Niki_> I added xset s 60
[19:45] <Niki_> all good?
[19:45] <_3925> I just installed Ubuntu on my Windows XP PC. My problem is I can't connect to an Ethernet connection.
[19:45] <Niki_> i rebooting
[19:45] <EriC^^> Niki_: ok
[19:46] <_3925> When I run netstat -nr, there are no entries
[19:46] <_3925> And when I try to add the router IP (using route add default gw <the IP>), I get the error SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[19:47] <hispeed67> i just got a SAS raid controller. can i use sata drives with it?
[19:50] <_3925> I just installed Ubuntu on my Windows XP PC. My problem is I can't connect to an Ethernet connection. When I run netstat -nr, there are no entries.
[19:50] <_3925> And when I try to add the router IP (using route add default gw <the IP>), I get the error SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[19:51] <Niki_> EriC^^,  Work but If I Watch Youtube it also work :(
[19:51] <EriC^^> Niki_: put it about 5mins or so
[19:52] <Niki_> EriC^^,  And films 90 min?
[19:53] <EriC^^> Niki_: make a script that disables it and put it to a shortcut key
[19:54] <Niki_> EriC^^,  And in Windows why all work?
[19:55] <EriC^^> Niki_: cause :D
[19:55] <Niki_> just cause
[19:55] <Niki_> ok
[19:55] <k101010> hi
[19:55] <Niki_> And why screensaver GUI not work?
[19:56] <Niki_> EriC^^, And why screensaver GUI not work?
[19:57] <k101010> does anyone have any idea, why would "sudo lshw" detect my 2x8 ram sticks, but when using "free -m" or "top" et cetera
[19:57] <k101010> I only seem to be using one stick (8gb)
[19:57] <EriC^^> Niki_: save this as a script http://paste.ubuntu.com/17819634/
[19:57] <Niki_> EriC^^, And why screensaver GUI not work?
[19:57] <EriC^^> Niki_: test it and if it doesn't work let me know
[19:58] <EriC^^> Niki_: what screensaver gui?
[19:58] <Niki_> no run
[19:58] <EriC^^> Niki_: it needs the password all the time it seems
[19:58] <Niki_> In Gnome it run with GUI
[19:58] <sabrehagen> hi all, every 90 seconds or so any key i press repeats e.g . shoppppppppppppping (if i typed shopping). how do i trace why this is occurring? it happens intermittently.
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> sabrehagen  clean your keyboard
[19:59] <Niki_> EriC^^, every second?
[19:59] <EriC^^> Niki_: there's a mistake http://paste.ubuntu.com/17819767/
[20:00] <EriC^^> Niki_: the gui screensaver asks for a password, there's other screensavers you can install though too
[20:01] <Niki_> EriC^^,   gnome-screensaver-command -l  I entered passwd in logout screen then enter but I not see screensaver GUI
[20:02] <EriC^^> Niki_: you want the settings for the screensaver?
[20:02] <Niki_> EriC^^,   gnome-screensaver GUI just not work
[20:02] <Niki_> yes
[20:02] <Niki_> GUI
[20:03] <EriC^^> Niki_: in unity there are no settings
[20:03] <EriC^^> there's xscreensaver, try installing it and check it out
[20:03] <Niki_> but gnome have it
[20:04] <Niki_> EriC^^,   gnome-screensaver's packages with the GUI?
[20:04] <nme_> anyone available to assist me on ssh issue ?
[20:04] <EriC^^> Niki_: what?
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> nme_  ask your question in one line and wait
[20:05] <EriC^^> Niki_: that's the xscreensaver program, it's separate of gnome-screensaver
[20:05] <Niki_> EriC^^,   gnome-screensaver have own GUI?
[20:05] <EriC^^> Niki_: no, it doesn't
[20:05] <Niki_> bad
[20:05] <EriC^^> it hasn't had a gui since ages i think
[20:05] <EriC^^> lol
[20:05] <EriC^^> bad ubuntu bad
[20:05] <EriC^^> o/
[20:05] <nme_> i got issue with ssh key that whenever i rebooted the server, it refused my key, but once i had logged in using password from the console of the server, it is ok again
[20:06] <Niki_> Mint is good
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> Niki_  what's the outcome of   cat /etc/issue
[20:07] <EriC^^> install it then
[20:07] <nme_> MonkeyDust:  I had asked the question several times, but seems no reply for  around half an hour
[20:07] <MonkeyDust> nme_  repeat it every 10-15 minutes, until someone enters who can help
[20:07] <Niki_> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS \n \l
[20:08] <nme_> MonkeyDust Thanks for your advise
[20:22] <Dinosaurio> Okay, British people, you have now 10 minutes to leave this channel
[20:22] <HackerII> cheers
[20:23] <HeyThere> odd question: does microsoft limit people (features, etc) who use outlook.com on other os (such as linux/ubuntu) or other browsers (such as firefox)?
[20:24] <teward> HeyThere: that's a question for Microsoft, we can't really answer that with certainty here I don't think
[20:24] <akik> HeyThere: no, firefox on ubuntu is ok
[20:25] <HeyThere> thanks!
[20:27] <HeyThere> was considering switching to tutanota or protonmail, but i can't afford to end in spam folders. some companies throw mail from free mail providers (except gmail.com and outlook.com) automatically in trash it seems. anyone else experient this? (ok, im way off-topic now. ill shut up.)
[20:27] <ubuntu189> Hi all, I am having some trouble with the upstart script, i am unable to use command subsitution there
[20:28] <ubuntu189> For example i cant use env abc=${test -f somefile}
[20:29] <dbacc> hey! how do I turn off frequency scaling? I have a 2nd gen i7, speedstep is turned off in the BIOS and cpus are using the performance governor.
[20:30] <EriC^^> !upstart | ubuntu189
[20:44] <jessejames182> I had a quick question.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: And ? The question resolved it's self ?
[20:45] <jessejames182> I installed the gnome DE the other day and now when I boot into Ubuntu I get taken to the shell briefly before it loads the login
[20:45] <jessejames182> It's resolved itself slightly, lol
[20:46] <jessejames182> Maybe 3-10 seconds long before it loads.
[20:46] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: What release ? systemd just making the system adjustments ?
[20:47] <jessejames182> I have 16.04 right now, loaded onto my alienware 14 (2013) model
[20:47] <jessejames182> I had to re-install when I tried installing KDE and it just wrecked the system.
[20:48] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: Ouch on wrecking .. when you remove " quiet splash" in grub .. one then sees the boot messages .. anything of interest in these boot messages ?
[20:49] <jessejames182> Yeah I'm having trouble remembering what it says verbatim but something about a disk error on /sdb
[20:50] <jessejames182> grub is on /sdb
[20:52] <ubuntu189> so how do i set environment variable from upstart script? The value of the variable depends on a command
[20:52] <askhader> What does cron use on Ubuntu to send e-mail?
[20:52] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: Verify /etc/fstab UUIDs with what ' sudo blkid -c /dev/null -o list ' ( to have a fresh lost )  reports for system devices ??
[20:53] <Bashing-om> lost/list*
[20:54] <jessejames182> Bashig-om: ok, I haven't tried updating and installing grub again on that drive to see if that helps either.
[20:55] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: Check the UUIDs 1st .. see what the sytem is setting up .
[20:55] <jlf> hi #ubuntu, my attempts to run a vendor-supplied (non-apt) dynamically linked 32-bit tool on my 64-bit xenial vm are failing, apparently due to the absence of ld-linux.so.2 -- and fwict the ia32-libs package no longer exists.  anyone have suggestions?
[20:56] <jessejames182> Bashig-om: alright, I don't have the pc with me currently I'll run it when I get home
[20:57] <jinxi1> any one having trouble with lynda.com in Google chrome? The videos are playing.
[20:57] <Bashing-om> jlf: Do not know about that as http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ld-linux.so.2&mode=exactfilename&suite=xenial&arch=any shows the 32 bit package ??
[20:57] <Li> how can I control the number of workspaces directly from ubuntu configuation files without having to downlaod/install any tools? I want three workspaces instead of the default four.
[20:57] <Bashing-om> jessejames182: K. we be here when ever .
[20:58] <Osirus126X> yoo
[20:58] <Osirus126> hey
[20:58] <Osirus126> nice mane
[20:58] <jessejames182> Bashing-om: appreciate you fam
[20:58] <Osirus126> name
[21:01] <Osirus126X> hey
[21:01] <jlf> Bashing-om: ah, thanks.  i searched for ia32-libs but it didn't occur to me to search for the specific file, derp.  anyway, after installing libc6:i386 i was rewarded with a new error to chase... cheers :)
[21:03] <Bashing-om> jlf: Well, if you are chasing compilation difficulties .. chances are while thus occupied, will not go to jail :)
[21:04] <jinxi1> can some ne helps me?
[21:05] <jinxi1> any one having trouble with lynda.com in Google chrome? The videos are not playing.
[21:05] <jlf> we can only hope..
[21:06] <neiza> ola
[21:07] <OerHeks> jinxi1, cannot test it, no free video's, but they have a helpdesk http://www.lynda.com/support/faq.aspx?category=187&subcategory=188&faq=3960
[21:07] <jinxi1> OerHeks: it works fine on firefox
[21:07] <Li> amazingly worthless how many questions someone can ask here!!!
[21:07] <OerHeks> jinxi1, so, then you have no issue, great.
[21:08] <jinxi1> OerHeks: I prefer chrome
[21:08] <aaaaa> When will X be replaced in Ubuntu?
[21:11] <jatt> what's wrong with X?
[21:11] <aaaaa> it's old
[21:12] <tgm4883> aaaaa: so is Linux
[21:15] <OerHeks> aaaaa, do a post on askubuntu, ask someone to write one
[21:15] <OerHeks> ... wait, mir
[21:15] <_3925> I just installed Ubuntu onto my Windows XP PC. I can't connect to the internet through Ethernet.
[21:15] <_3925> When I run netstat -nr, there are no entries
[21:16] <_3925> And when I try to add my router IP to the routing table, I get the error SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[21:17] <tgm4883> _3925: do you have an ip address? How does your IP address get set?
[21:18] <tgm4883> _3925: how did you install?
[21:18] <_3925> When it was running XP it had one. I don't know how it got set
[21:18] <tgm4883> _3925: How did you add your router IP to the routing table?
[21:18] <_3925> I ran "route add default gw" and then the IP of my router
[21:19] <tgm4883> _3925: Ok, how did you install ubuntu?
[21:20] <_3925> I used Universal USB Installer 1.9.6.5 to put Ubuntu 16.04 onto a flash drive. Then I installed it after rebooting the computer.
[21:20] <genii> So not wubi
[21:21] <tgm4883> _3925: ok, what is the output of 'ip a' and 'route'
[21:21] <tgm4883> _3925: probably be best for you to take a picture of the screen and upload it somewhere
[21:23] <_3925> $ ip a 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever     inet6 ::1/128 scope host         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever 2: enp0s25: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN group default qlen 1000     link/ether 00:
[21:23] <_3925> Oh formatting. Let me put that on pastebin
[21:24] <_3925> http://pastebin.com/sE0nMGEU, output of ip a and route
[21:25] <tgm4883> _3925: yea you don't have an IP address, this is a standard ubuntu install? Not xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu server/ubuntu mate?
[21:25] <akik>  
[21:26] <_3925> It was standart
[21:26] <_3925> *standard
[21:26] <akik> _3925: it says no-carrier. check your cabling and router
[21:26] <_3925> Ok
[21:26] <genii> "no carrier" seems to indicate wiring
[21:30] <_3925> FACEPALM
[21:30] <_3925> It's always hardware, isn't it
[21:30] <aruns> Hi, having issues with XFCE.
[21:30] <_3925> Thanks, guys. Ethernet plugged in. Working
[21:31] <aruns> Running Ubuntu 14.04 on 11 year old Dell Latitude D610.
[21:31] <aruns> Installed XFCE as am currently running Unity.
[21:31] <aruns> Which is very demanding for older hardware AFAIK.
[21:31] <assa758> Hi, on ubuntu 16.04, my machine don't support 24bit colors on terminal apps (termite, gnome-terminal). how to debug? what subsystem/lib is responsilb for this?
[21:33] <Selcag> HELLO
[21:33] <aruns> Selcag: Hi.
[21:33] <aruns> No need to shout lol.
[21:33] <Selcag> :D
[21:37] <A124> How do I get berkeley db on ubuntu?
[21:37] <A124> Tried seaching on net, no luck and synaptic is broken
[21:38] <OerHeks> !info db
[21:38] <OerHeks> indeed, notin xenial 16.04 ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/db
[21:38] <OerHeks> nor wily
[21:39] <dax> "(From Debian) ROM; Obsoleted by db5.3; Debian bug #796881
[21:39] <dax> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/db5.3
[21:40] <A124> Hmm, thanks.
[21:40] <aruns> Hi.
[21:40] <aruns> I have installed XFCE.
[21:40] <ubuntu888> hello
[21:40] <aruns> Using sudo-apt get install xfce4
[21:41] <jatt> xfce is great
[21:41] <aruns> Does anyone know how I can get a network icon up?
[21:41] <ubuntu888> My floppy drive is stuck busy
[21:41] <jatt> I love it ❤️
[21:41] <aruns> So I can see wireless conneciton status.
[21:41] <aruns> *connection
[21:41] <ubuntu888> HELP
[21:41] <aruns> jatt: Yeah, I'm running an 11 year old Dell Latitude D610, so much less resource intensive than Unity lol.
[21:41] <ubuntu888> MY FLOPPY DRIVE IS BUSY FOREVER
[21:41] <jatt> right
[21:42] <aruns> Why do you have a floppy drive? ^
[21:42] <ubuntu888> AND IM ON A OLD COMPUTER I BUILT MYSELF
[21:42] <A124> ubuntu888 If it's forever then it must be forever, no help there.
[21:42] <aruns> I am afraid I am not from the days of floppy drives.
[21:42] <A124> is there troll report command?
[21:42] <ubuntu888> CAN U HELP ME PUT MY FLOPPY DRIVE ON SLEEP
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> caps
[21:43] <jatt> just ask an admin to kick him out 🖕
[21:43] <tgm4883> Lets stay on topic shall we
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> !troll
[21:44]  * dax tosses Drone` a botsnack
[21:44] <dax> problem solved
[21:46] <ubuntuineedhelp> Hello
[21:46] <dax> hello again
[21:46] <ubuntuineedhelp> I need help
[21:46] <ubuntuineedhelp> My ####ing floppy drive
[21:46] <dax> i gathered. can you try without allcaps this time?
[21:47] <ubuntuineedhelp> Ok
[21:47] <jatt> nobody uses floppy drives
[21:47] <tgm4883> jatt: not helpful
[21:47] <ubuntuineedhelp> I have a 1.44 floppy disk in the drive
[21:48] <tatertots> hello everyone
[21:48] <nuno_nunes> ubuntuineedhelp, is a desativate to floppy drive in bios
[21:48] <nuno_nunes> :
[21:48] <nuno_nunes> :)
[21:48] <ubuntuineedhelp> Floppy drive is detected
[21:48] <A124> I got pc with floppy actually few cm from me
[21:48] <ubuntuineedhelp> @nuno_nunes
[21:49] <nuno_nunes> in bios desativated is a not detected
[21:49] <nuno_nunes> :)
[21:49] <ubuntuineedhelp> Bios says its activated and ubuntu detects it
[21:49] <ubuntuineedhelp> Im trying to format it but it freezed up
[21:49] <nuno_nunes> is a floppy i not used at 13 years
[21:49] <nuno_nunes> :D
[21:50] <ubuntuineedhelp> Yes its a floppy
[21:51] <ubuntuineedhelp> Help!!!
[21:51] <tgm4883> !patience ubuntuineedhelp
[21:51] <tgm4883> !patience | ubuntuineedhelp
[21:52] <OerHeks> maybe this page is any help, udisks --mount /dev/sd<something> --mount-fstype=vfat > http://askubuntu.com/questions/168597/how-do-i-use-a-floppy-drive-in-ubuntu
[21:52] <OerHeks> long time no see, floppy users
[21:53] <nuno_nunes> using floppy because?
[21:53] <tatertots> have you tried a known good floppy disc?
[21:53] <Jordan_U> ubuntuineedhelp: How are you trying to "format" it?
[21:53] <nuno_nunes> tatertots
[21:53] <nuno_nunes> lol
[21:53] <tatertots> does your floppy drive read/write any other discs?
[21:55] <Jordan_U> ubuntuineedhelp: What do you need a floppy disk for?
[21:55] <d0n0x> someone knows about Ubuntu @ Asus G552vw laptop?
[21:56] <tatertots> d0n0x proceed with your question please
[21:57] <d0n0x> okay sec
[21:57] <tatertots> d0n0x what are you trying to do ? let's see if we can figure out why you're not able to do it
[21:58] <Joad> hello
[21:59] <tatertots> Hi there Joad
[22:00] <Joad> just started looking into linux today, somebody pointed me to lubuntu.  (I think, ~90% sure) I downloaded an ISO of it and burned it to a usb.  can anyone recommend a good tutorial for how to actually boot with the thing?
[22:02] <tgm4883> !boot
[22:02] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:02] <uruka> Hello
[22:02] <tgm4883> guess that doesn't help
[22:02] <Joad> !dualboot
[22:02] <Joad> no i think it does idk tho
[22:02] <Joad> ty man
[22:03] <OerHeks> It all depends on your bios, howto set boot from usb
[22:03] <tgm4883> Joad: booting it would depend on your computer. You need to tell it to boot from a USB
[22:03] <uruka> How to replace via terminal in text stringA\stringB to stringA\stringC
[22:03] <OerHeks> some bios versions require 2 settings, bootorder and bootdevice
[22:03] <tgm4883> uruka: sed
[22:03] <tgm4883> !info sed
[22:03] <uruka> i try this command
[22:03] <uruka> grep -rl 'stringA\\stringB' ./path | xargs sed -i "s/stringA\\stringB//stringA\\stringC/g";
[22:04] <uruka> but not success
[22:04] <Joad> yeah i keep trying to get to boot menu but cant. rebooting in a sec but this time going to try to change boot order.  ty for help
[22:04] <uruka> the problem is the problem is something about the backslash
[22:05] <uruka> I will make more research because I have not found anything yet
[22:05] <tgm4883> uruka: can you just s/StringB/StringC/g ?
[22:05] <tgm4883> and why do you have xargs in there?
[22:07] <tgm4883> uruka: what exactly are you trying to do?
[22:08] <jmadero> hi all - I'm trying to change expiration of a subkey for gpg and can't figure out how to do it. Primary key doesn't expire in 2018 but subkey expired a month ago - help appreciated
[22:09] <monte_cristo> hi, i did the thing i'm not supposed to do, and tried to upgrade from 15.10 wily to 16.04 Xenial using dist-upgrade
[22:09] <monte_cristo> it now tells me that systemd could not be upgraded
[22:09] <monte_cristo> i'm worried that if i restart now then my machine won't boot
[22:09] <d0n0x> i tried to install on my Asus G552vw ubuntu 1604 few weeks ago,installed success with some flags in the grub like nomodeset and etc,after some time the machine just getting freezed and had alot of problems with TouchPad and also Nvidia Drivers,someone know what i can do? many thanks
[22:10]  * tgm4883 facepalm
[22:10] <monte_cristo> i tried doing `sudo apt-get upgrade -f` now, it is downloading a lot of stuff..
[22:10] <tgm4883> monte_cristo: and why did you do that when you knew you weren't supposed to?
[22:11] <monte_cristo> i guess i did it for the thrill of potentially breaking my install :)
[22:11] <tgm4883> monte_cristo: fair enough. Upgrade that way comes with the Oklahoma warranty
[22:12] <tatertots> reboot and find out what will happen....i'm thrilled to find out too :)
[22:12] <tgm4883> monte_cristo: hope you have a live cd/usb handy
[22:12] <winston2k> i cant stand the suspense
[22:12] <tatertots> since it was all for grins and giggles ..let's reboot that machine and see the results :P
[22:13] <WhiteNight> Hello, for creating ISO -> USB_Disk using the dd command, is there a recommendation of what bs size one should use? I generally use 20M which I picked up from a general linux blogsite, thanks
[22:13] <d0n0x> i tried to install on my Asus G552vw ubuntu 1604 few weeks ago,installed success with some flags in the grub like nomodeset and etc,after some time the machine just getting freezed and had alot of problems with TouchPad and also Nvidia Drivers,someone know what i can do? many thanks
[22:14] <OerHeks> WhiteNight, 4M would be fine, and do not forget sync after dd
[22:14] <EriC^^> WhiteNight: that's fine, +1 for sync
[22:14] <WhiteNight> Thanks EriC^^ , OerHeks .... why is sync necessary? I don't recall using that ever, never had any issues though
[22:15] <EriC^^> WhiteNight: little tip, you can use status=progress bs=4M for a progress
[22:15] <OerHeks> i mention it as it is a way to check if t completed.
[22:15] <OerHeks> ah apt improved with progress too indeed
[22:15] <monte_cristo> its going to be about 15 minutes with all the stuff its downloading... will report back :)
[22:15] <EriC^^> WhiteNight: if you remove the usb, there might still be stuff not written yet still in the cache, sync writes everything in the cache
[22:15] <tatertots> d0n0x do you have any of those problems when booted to livecd/liveusb?
[22:17] <WhiteNight> Oh the cache thing. Right. Although, if I don't remove the USB immediately after dd completes, then I believe cache is cleaned up? If  yes, how can I determine what is the disk/mem cache time period/timeout/queue.. ?
[22:18] <EriC^^> WhiteNight: no idea about that
[22:18] <OerHeks> WhiteNight, no one can answer that
[22:19] <WhiteNight> Ouch :-) Anyways, thanks a lot for your precious time and the info
[22:19] <OerHeks> have fun :-)
[22:19] <EriC^^> WhiteNight: no problem
[22:21] <bprompt> WhiteNight:     you don't happen to use Conky or have it installed by any chance?  reason why I say that, is because in Conky, you can just check the I/O reads and writes, and the Writes will show lots of activity when "dd" is really done
[22:22] <WhiteNight> bprompt, I am not a fan of Conky, I generally resort to CLI. Now if conky can show those stats, I believe I can definitely pull that up from the system as well, since Conky is just an interface and it uses system data
[22:23] <bprompt> WhiteNight:    well, you can always just use "lsof" to check if "dd" is "using" the device still
[22:23] <WhiteNight> yes, true
[22:23] <WhiteNight> thanks bprompt I will dig into it
[22:24] <bprompt> WhiteNight:   I use indicator-multiload, which sits on the systray, and I check the I/O writes, and when it hits 0 bytes almost steady, I know "dd" is really done
[22:24] <conartist> frequently getting this error on apt update "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease  Could not connect to archive.canonical.com:80 (91.189.92.191), connection timed out [IP: 91.189.92.191 80]"
[22:24] <bprompt> !info indicator-multiload | WhiteNight
[22:25] <WhiteNight> tx again bprompt Will definitely check it out, no harm in trying :)
[22:27] <longbaugh> echo >> to a file is append? whats the difference with echo > and echo >>
[22:28] <bprompt> longbaugh:    > creates, >> appends
[22:28] <conartist> longbaugh: echo with single > will over write all contents
[22:28] <conartist> longbaugh: whereas single > will add to the very end of file
[22:29] <EriC^^> ^ he means double >>
[22:29]  * bprompt hands conartist  an extra ">"
[22:29] <longbaugh> >> means what
[22:29] <conartist> EriC^^: yes double > sorry :P
[22:29] <EriC^^> longbaugh: append to
[22:29] <bprompt> unless he meant to "con" longbaugh , but possibly not
[22:29] <conartist> longbaugh: double >> appends...
[22:29] <longbaugh> oh ok
[22:29] <longbaugh> thanks
[22:30] <Wicaeed> When using LVM, if I have a volume group that is using 80GB of 100GB total on the physical volume that is a member of that volume group, when I add add a new physical volume of 100GB to my volume group, then expand a logical volume to occupy space that exists on the new physical volume, at one point does new data start to get written to the new physical volume member?
[22:30] <Wicaeed> Sorry if that's a kind of convoluted question :o
[22:31] <conartist> Wicaeed: yes your LVM will expand to 200GB and the data will populate on second physical disk, once the first disk fills up
[22:32] <Wicaeed> okay, that's logical :)
[22:32] <Wicaeed> Thanks!
[22:32] <conartist> Wicaeed: ur welcome
[22:34] <conartist> somebody look into my problem plzzz
[22:35] <k1l_> conartist: sounds like a routing/dns issue from your ISP
[22:35] <conartist> k1l_: only to one server??
[22:36] <k1l_> conartist: that ip work here
[22:37] <conartist> k1l_: archive.ubuntu.com resolved to 3 differnet ips.. n ip getting ping from all ov them
[22:38] <k1l_> yes, there are loadbalancer with a big bunch of mirrors.
[22:38] <k1l_> do you use a proxy server?
[22:38] <k1l_> or vpn?
[22:38] <conartist> nops
[22:38] <conartist> nothing..
[22:38] <conartist> connected directly
[22:40] <Jordan_U> conartist: tracepath 92.191 80]"
[22:40] <conartist> Jordan_U: oki w8
[22:41] <Jordan_U> conartist: In case it wasn't cear that was a mis-copied ip, "tracepath 91.189.92.191"
[22:41] <conartist> Jordan_U: yes i fixed it n performing it
[22:42] <conartist> okay it dropped after 6 hopps
[22:43] <Jordan_U> conartist: Is that 6th hop still a router managed by your ISP?
[22:43] <conartist> Jordan_U: yess seems though
[22:44] <monsterjamp> Hello has anyone used snapcraft?
[22:45] <Jordan_U> conartist: Strongly suggests a problem on your ISP's end then.
[22:45] <conartist> its actually on this source entry only.. "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial partner"
[22:45] <shrugs> is there a way to direct message in this chat?
[22:45] <conartist> Jordan_U: yeah im convinced
[22:46] <Bashing-om> !pm | shrugs
[22:46] <bprompt> shrugs:   come again?
[22:46] <monsterjamp> When I run my snap I get the following error "Bad system call"  and here's further debug logs http://paste.ubuntu.com/17827594/
[22:47] <conartist> Jordan_U: is there any other direct mirror to this?
[22:49] <Jordan_U> conartist: Probably. If you need it working now (I expect this will work itself out soon) it's easy enough to just change to the au or any other local mirror in your sources.list .
[22:49] <tatertots> I bought an ubuntu tshirt .....just wanted to share that...it's not really off topic since it's an ubuntu tshirt
[22:50] <d0n0x> tatertots: yea same as installed machine
[22:50] <k1l_> tatertots: this channel is technical ubuntu support only. for all other chat use #ubuntu-offtopic . thanks
[22:50] <conartist> Jordan_U: i did that.. but this specific entry in sources.list doesnt get updated.. thats y i asked here
[22:50] <monsterjamp> Does anyone have experience with snaps?
[22:51] <k1l_> monsterjamp: at least the guys in #snappy
[22:51] <monsterjamp> I was asking questions in there and a few guys were answering them but then they left and it's completely dead there :/
[22:54]  * conartist okay im leaving this issue to resolve itself
[22:55] <HaydarOzturk34> hello guys.
[22:56] <HaydarOzturk34> I need a lot of help. First my screen is too close to me and options are changed it only allows me
[22:56] <HaydarOzturk34> 1024 768
[22:56] <HaydarOzturk34> but its too close to me I have a big screen
[22:56] <HaydarOzturk34> I've tried to change the settings because I am having problem with Xen 4.4-amd64
[22:57] <HaydarOzturk34> everytime I open my computer it shows ubuntu, advanced ubuntu, xen options like that
[22:57] <tatertots> Hello Haydar
[22:57] <HaydarOzturk34> what can I do :(
[22:58] <tatertots> Haydar so 1024x768 is the only desktop resolution you can use?
[22:58] <HaydarOzturk34> yes tatertots
[23:00] <HaydarOzturk34> do you know a solution tatertots ?
[23:00] <tatertots> Haydar what hardware do you have?
[23:00] <tatertots> tell us more about your computer
[23:01] <HaydarOzturk34> okey wait
[23:01] <Hinjes> Hello, I just started using Ubuntu this afternoon and my keyboard isn't being recognized. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[23:01] <tatertots> onboard intel graphics or do you have amd/nvidia graphics ect.....make/model any more detail about your hardware would be nice to know
[23:01] <HaydarOzturk34> Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.6, 128 bits) It show this but I don't have this I have amd raedon 7950
[23:02] <HaydarOzturk34> amd radeon hd 7950 this is my model
[23:02] <monte_cristo> HaydarOzturk34: that is a software renderer
[23:02] <monte_cristo> actually a pretty old one
[23:02] <tatertots> Ok so you have a amd 7950 you are using. thanks for that info
[23:03] <monte_cristo> (Gallium llvm pipe i mean)
[23:03] <tatertots> what version of ubuntu are you using?....have you tried using proprietary drivers for your amd 7950?
[23:03] <HaydarOzturk34> Interesting, I don't even know what is a software renderer. I think I am gonna be here all night because I have other issues too.
[23:04] <monte_cristo> HaydarOzturk34: it is part of Mesa3D
[23:04] <HaydarOzturk34> I am using 14.04 and I tried that but when I try that I had to reinstall ubuntu
[23:04] <HaydarOzturk34> because it killed the system
[23:04] <HaydarOzturk34> It was like a blank screen and I was a new ubuntu user so I had no idea what to do
[23:04] <monte_cristo> mesa is what most linuxes use when you don't have hardware accelerated graphics: http://www.mesa3d.org/intro.html
[23:04] <HaydarOzturk34> I a still kind of new user.
[23:05] <tatertots> @ Haydar   hmmm so when you attempted to use the proprietary drivers for your AMD 7950 it "killed" your system?
[23:05] <HaydarOzturk34> by killed I mean it was frozen
[23:05] <tatertots> can you provide more details about what symptoms you had during this "killing"
[23:06] <tatertots> ok
[23:06] <HaydarOzturk34> I couldn't open my computer. It was only a blank screen
[23:06] <tatertots> so hard lockups?
[23:06] <HaydarOzturk34> I think so.
[23:06] <tatertots> where the mouse cursor doesn't move?
[23:06] <HaydarOzturk34> monte_cristo: thank you for that info I will check out to learn more later on
[23:06] <HaydarOzturk34> I am not sure but sometimes it was I guess
[23:07] <monte_cristo> hmmm my system is getting wierd :(
[23:07] <HaydarOzturk34> or not on the screen at all
[23:07] <monte_cristo> my mouse cursor has disappeared
[23:07] <monte_cristo> not a good sign for the dist-upgrade
[23:07] <HaydarOzturk34> oh yeah I made a dist upgrade
[23:07] <nacc> monte_cristo: dist-upgrade from what to what?
[23:07] <HaydarOzturk34> it all happend after that
[23:07] <nacc> HaydarOzturk34: from what to what?
[23:08] <monte_cristo> nacc: i did wily to xenial
[23:08] <HaydarOzturk34> What do you mean nacc?
[23:08] <monte_cristo> but it got pretty screwy and probably i will need to do a full reinstall
[23:08] <monte_cristo> i think my lib pthreads is fucked up somehow
[23:08] <tatertots> Haydar ah so do you mean that you were able to use the proprietary drivers for your AMD 7950 without issue PRIOR to doing a dist upgrade??
[23:09] <HaydarOzturk34> No the screen had changed after dist upgrade. I never had to chance to use proper drivers
[23:09] <HaydarOzturk34> because I guess AMD has no driver for linux
[23:10] <HaydarOzturk34> not a official one
[23:10] <HaydarOzturk34> for my graphic card I gues
[23:10] <tatertots> amd and nvidia have linux drivers and have had them for some time
[23:10] <leonardo_> hello
[23:10] <monte_cristo> i cannot compile simple programs using <thread> now
[23:10] <Mikubuntu> Help. Black screen of death. On upgrade from 1404 to 1510 lub.
[23:10] <monte_cristo> i get a linker error about pthread
[23:11] <monte_cristo> man this is the worst distupgrade i ever did D:
[23:11] <nico_n> I want to use Linux more but my Microphone isnt working.I checked alsamixer and pavucontrol.I was able to get a microphone icon in pavucontrol but its not working...
[23:11] <tatertots> a full reinstall
[23:11] <HaydarOzturk34> On my additional drivers division, there are three options tatertots
[23:11] <monte_cristo> oh nm
[23:11] <_MyStartx_> ububtu is worst in generally
[23:11] <monte_cristo> i just messed up compiling it
[23:11] <HaydarOzturk34> one is using x.org xserver
[23:12] <HaydarOzturk34> I am using it this one
[23:12] <Joad> hello again.  trying to dual boot windows 10 (current os) with lubuntu with a usb drive.  i have gotten to a point where i can pick a file from my usb to boot with.  which do i choose?
[23:12] <virtuosoj> I'm getting errors when adding certain PPAs about their signing keys.  However they are programs I do really want
[23:12] <virtuosoj> namely PCSX2 stable & daily ppas and the Pioneers ppa
[23:12] <virtuosoj> error resembles this:
[23:12] <virtuosoj> http://www.thecenter4relationships.com/3-ways-to-continue-the-celebration-after-graduation/
[23:12] <virtuosoj> lol oops.
[23:12] <virtuosoj> not that.
[23:12] <monte_cristo> lolll
[23:12] <virtuosoj> W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/rclobus/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E4A2A63077ED77AF
[23:12] <virtuosoj> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/rclobus/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease' is not signed.
[23:12] <virtuosoj> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[23:12] <virtuosoj> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[23:13] <squinty> !paste | virtuosoj
[23:13] <HaydarOzturk34> can't we send private massages?
[23:13] <HaydarOzturk34> tatertots:
[23:13] <tarkus> `test
[23:13] <virtuosoj> !pastebinit W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net/rclobus/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E4A2A63077ED77AF
[23:13] <virtuosoj> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/rclobus/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease' is not signed.
[23:13] <virtuosoj> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
[23:13] <virtuosoj> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[23:14] <tatertots> Haydar if you have the proprietary AMD drivers installed for your 7950...try to open the amd catylist control center
[23:14] <HaydarOzturk34> It's hard to keep up with the text when screen is this close
[23:14] <virtuosoj> Did you guys see the GPG error I posted? What does this mean/how can I deal with this?
[23:14] <HaydarOzturk34> How can I ınstall them let's start with that?
[23:14] <Ben64> virtuosoj: you need to add the key, should have been added automatically if you added the ppa how the launchpad site says to
[23:16] <Joad> any advice on my comment above?
[23:16] <virtuosoj> Ben64, yes I did... just like adding any other ppas
[23:16] <tatertots> Haydar remind me what version of ubuntu you have
[23:16] <tatertots> ?
[23:17] <Ben64> virtuosoj: i mean, you didn't or it'd be working. i forget the exact syntax right now, google should be able to tell you, it's something like "wget blah.blah/E4A2A63077ED77AF -O- | sudo apt-key add"
[23:17] <HaydarOzturk34> 14.04
[23:17] <HaydarOzturk34> LTS
[23:17] <virtuosoj> Ben64, hm it didn't have any instructions like that. let me try again
[23:18] <virtuosoj> now that I think of it, I actually copy/pasted the source address starting with "deb" and ending with "xenial main" into the software center's sources
[23:18] <OerHeks> that mirror might be syncing, wat a few minutes and update again.
[23:18] <Ben64> virtuosoj: yep, thats not how it says to add a ppa
[23:18] <OerHeks> oh
[23:19] <tatertots> Haydar
[23:19] <OerHeks> did the update ever run without errors?
[23:19] <tatertots> he additional drivers window is now incorporated in the Software & Updates application in Ubuntu 13.04  It can be launched from the command line (gnome-terminal). Press Alt F2 to run a command and then type gnome-terminal and press enter  This will launch a command line.  On the command line type software-properties-gtk it will launch Software & Updates window, the last tab on that window is the Additional Drivers tab.
[23:19] <tatertots> just
[23:19] <tatertots> http://askubuntu.com/questions/301543/how-to-open-the-additional-drivers-window-using-command-line
[23:19] <tatertots> look at the pictures on that page
[23:19] <Mikubuntu> Got grub screen went away now som output ending says VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block 0,0
[23:19] <nacc> virtuosoj: use add-apt-repository or follow the ppa's page's instructions to add them
[23:20] <nacc> virtuosoj: what you did was incorrect
[23:20] <virtuosoj> nacc, ty this method is working.  dumb moment on my part, I've done that before
[23:20] <HaydarOzturk34> I was talking about this tatertots
[23:20] <HaydarOzturk34> There are three options there
[23:21] <tatertots> ok thanks Haydar
[23:21] <nico_n> how to fix not working microphone ? any suggestions
[23:21] <HaydarOzturk34> one is from xserver-xorg-video-ati, the other is fglrx-updates and the other is fglrx
[23:22] <tatertots> out of those 3x options....how many of them have you tried?
[23:22] <HaydarOzturk34> but when I first tried fglrx it gave me blank screen so I am scared and I don't know what to do
[23:22] <HaydarOzturk34> If I had to reınstall my system again I could loose all my files
[23:23] <HaydarOzturk34> and obviously I can't use my computer like this :/
[23:23] <Mikubuntu> Lub had been buggy for several days b4 and after an update so I thought maybe time to upgrade
[23:23] <tatertots> Haydar i suggest backing up all the data that is important to you....do you perform routine backups to protect your self in the event of disaster ?
[23:24] <tatertots> if not ...start doing it
[23:24] <HaydarOzturk34> I did that once but I can't see it on backups
[23:24] <HaydarOzturk34> it says last backup was 53 days ago
[23:25] <HaydarOzturk34> is that mean If I will back up now I will loose 53 of files?
[23:25] <HaydarOzturk34> days of files
[23:25] <monte_cristo> HaydarOzturk34: what i would recommend to do is
[23:25] <Mikubuntu> I wish I had backd up but I didn't have any media
[23:25] <monte_cristo> in the future, install your home directory on a separate partition
[23:25] <monte_cristo> from the OS
[23:26] <monte_cristo> so that you can reinstall without fear
[23:26] <mickey989> hello
[23:26] <tatertots> monte's suggestion is worth it's weight in gold
[23:26] <OerHeks> if you don't have a backup already, your files are not important
[23:26] <HaydarOzturk34> How can I do that in the future monte_cristo because I intented to get rid of all the problems today
[23:27] <monte_cristo> when you are going through the installer
[23:27] <monte_cristo> for ubuntu
[23:27] <monte_cristo> there is a graphical tool to look at what partitions there are
[23:27] <monte_cristo> they give you that because people often want to dual boot
[23:27] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[23:27] <monte_cristo> so thre would be a windows partition and a linux partition
[23:27] <monte_cristo> yeah if you just read that guide
[23:27] <mickey989> Im trying to open and run MNE python on ubuntu. im a beginniner, having trouble
[23:27] <monte_cristo> you should be able to fiugre it out
[23:28] <mickey989> can anyone help me?
[23:28] <tatertots> Haydar reinstalling does not take that long, you could be done with in the hour (depending on computer of course)
[23:28] <HaydarOzturk34> wish me luck guys I am saving all my files
[23:29] <HaydarOzturk34> I have a pretty good computer but very dumb head :D
[23:29] <tatertots> after a clean install...let's get those drivers for your amd 7950 going and get you familiar with amd catylist control center
[23:29] <nacc> mickey989: `apt-get install python-mne` ?
[23:29] <mickey989> let me try...
[23:30] <tatertots> report back after you are at a clean install point
[23:30] <HaydarOzturk34> Okey I'll be back if that driver on additional driver doesn't work
[23:30] <Bashing-om> !cookie | tatertots
[23:30] <mickey989> says" E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? mine@mine-Latitude-E6400:~$
[23:30] <mercury00> what channel do I ask questions about pam and pam_ldap?
[23:30] <Bashing-om> tatertots: Do not forget in 16.04 there is no FGLRX driver :)
[23:30] <Mikubuntu> VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block 0,0
[23:31] <nacc> mickey989: `sudo apt-get install python-mne`
[23:31] <OerHeks> mickey989, using pip? pip install mne --upgrade >> http://www.martinos.org/mne/dev/install_mne_python.html
[23:31] <mickey989> will try now...
[23:31] <nacc> OerHeks: good point, but i would suggest using one or the other (apt or pip)
[23:31] <phablet_> hi everybody
[23:32] <HaydarOzturk34> It says it's applying changes. Well it's time to close my eyes :)
[23:32] <OerHeks> oh apt will do too. but what surprice did mickey989 encounter?
[23:32] <tatertots> thank you for the cookie
[23:32] <mickey989> it did somehting. bottom half says "The following packages will be upgraded:   libexpat1 1 upgraded, 59 newly installed, 0 to remove and 123 not upgraded. Need to get 93,8 MB of archives. After this operation, 288 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[23:32] <tatertots> :)
[23:32] <HaydarOzturk34> Thank you guys no matter what I love ubuntu community
[23:33] <HaydarOzturk34> I always loved it!
[23:33] <OerHeks> mickey989, go for that, and run apt-get dist-upgrade after that, to do the hold bck packages.
[23:33] <NightElf> Hi, i have a script that do some image processing and saves the image after on ramdisk but the performance is the same as saving the image on hdd, why is that?
[23:33] <theteju> hey guys
[23:34] <theteju> I need help with sound card.
[23:34] <phablet_> someone have bq m10 ?
[23:34] <theteju> can anyone troubleshoot
[23:34] <jatt> the image processing is slow then not the IO
[23:34] <mercury00> nightelf, check swapfile?
[23:34] <NightElf> mercury00, used 0
[23:35] <tatertots> what's wrong with your sound card theteju?
[23:35] <tatertots> theteju....laptop or desktop?
[23:35] <mercury00> also, is the performance the same as writing to hdd, or "writing" to hdd (but not syncing / flushing the writes to disk, therefore effectively the same as ramdisk)?
[23:36] <tatertots> theteju are we talking onboard audio or like a PCI add in sound card?
[23:36] <NightElf> mercury00, writing to hdd with syncing to disk
[23:36] <mercury00> I'd start with: forget the image processing, test just the writing alone. measure the disk writes of a static data block to the ramdisk and the hdd to isolate the issue.
[23:36] <theteju> tatertots : it is desktop kubunut 14.04 32 bit
[23:37] <tatertots> theteju what computer do you have? or what are your hardware specs ?
[23:37] <mercury00> Also, how do I find out what channel to ask questions about PAM in?
[23:37] <NightElf> mercury00, i believe i have tried that but i'm going to give it a try one more time
[23:37] <theteju> tatertots : give me one second.
[23:38] <tatertots> theteju thanks for confirming you are using a 32bit version of kubuntu 14.04
[23:38] <tatertots> theteju i'll wait on you to provide more info/details about your hardware/computer specs?
[23:38] <mrchairman> Would it be possible to run a webserver by just installing a snap?
[23:39] <mercury00> nightelf, if the writes are different when isolated, but the same when part of processing, check the script carefully for other operations that are either disk-dependent or relying on a process you've not factored, if that makes sense.
[23:39] <tatertots> i have to take the trash out theteju so i'll be stepping away for a moment
[23:39] <HaydarOzturk34> tatertots: the changes have been aplied but I can't open the system settings
[23:39] <tatertots> brb
[23:40] <theteju> tatertots : C-media electronic Inc CMI8788 , its a dedicated pci sound card Asus Xonar D2
[23:40] <Bashing-om> !alis | mercury00
[23:40] <mickey989> nacc, oerHeks, went with nac's "sudo apt-get install python-mne" and the result (last few lines) was... "Setting up libhwloc-plugins (1.8-1ubuntu1.14.04.1) ... Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ... Processing triggers for python-support (1.0.15) ... mine@mine-Latitude-E6400:~$
[23:40] <Mikubuntu> Hi is there any possibility of rescuing my files via live session?
[23:41] <tatertots> back
[23:41] <tatertots> WOW theteju....u have a fancy sound card there
[23:42] <tatertots> mr fancy pants
[23:42] <tatertots> j/k
[23:42] <HaydarOzturk34> I typed this dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[23:42] <mercury00> perfect, thatks obottu
[23:42] <theteju> tatertots : it has something to do with the distro I am using,, ,, the distro is kubuntu based.. when I install,, aplay -l does not detect the soundcard
[23:42] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Sure, the quesion is how many files .. and locations .. maybe GUI file manager(s) or the CLI might be the better option ??
[23:42] <HaydarOzturk34> and I saw this; [drm:radeon_init] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[23:42] <HaydarOzturk34> what is UMS
[23:42] <Ben64> theteju: what distro is it
[23:43] <theteju> http://askubuntu.com/questions/598759/asus-xonar-dgx-recognized-but-no-sound
[23:43] <theteju> this is exactly describes my problem
[23:43] <theteju> I am talking about linuxmce.
[23:43] <tatertots> Haydar mentioned "changes have been applied"...did you reboot after these changes?
[23:43] <Ben64> theteju: then you need to get support in #linuxmce
[23:44] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om are u able to see my previous posts?
[23:44] <theteju> i tried.. they could not solve. I shall try again.
[23:44] <theteju> thanks guys.
[23:44] <HaydarOzturk34> No I am too scared to do this but, when I try to open Amd Cyristalist program it says the program hasnt been installed
[23:44] <tatertots> theteju does your sound card work when booted to livecd/live usb?
[23:44] <theteju> yes,, i just tested
[23:44] <HaydarOzturk34> I can try to restart ıf you think it did but in needs a reboot
[23:44] <theteju> it is using driver virtuoso 200 i believe
[23:44] <dbz2k> in ubuntu can I use gparted to resize my partition like I need to make my root partition bigger?
[23:44] <dbz2k> I am going to use a gparted live cd
[23:44] <Ben64> dbz2k: yes, do that from livecd
[23:45] <tatertots> thanks for confirming that your fancy sound card works when booted to livecd/live usb theteju :P
[23:45] <mickey989> i dont know if it installed or not. says "processing triggers" at end
[23:45] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: Look'n at the lastlog . Be back in a bit .
[23:45] <OerHeks> mickey989, sounds normal.
[23:45] <mickey989> "Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.7) ... Processing triggers for python-support (1.0.15) ... mine@mine-Latitude-E6400:~$ "
[23:45] <theteju> what info i can fetch from live cd to ask support from linuxmce
[23:46] <mickey989> so what should i do to run/open it?
[23:46] <OerHeks> if there is no error exit status <something> then it is oke
[23:46] <Ben64> theteju: ask in #linuxmce
[23:46] <theteju> Ben64 : make sense.. thank you.
[23:46] <tatertots> what Ben64 said :P
[23:46] <mickey989> so what should i do next?
[23:47] <tatertots> Haydar reboot
[23:47] <Ben64> mickey989: what are you trying to do?
[23:47] <mickey989> i want to open and run the program, start learning practice scripts
[23:47] <Ben64> mickey989: what is "the program"
[23:47] <tatertots> wish i had a fancy sound card like that
[23:47] <NightElf> mercury00, unfortunately they are the same, it's like if it wasn't a ramdisk yet i can confirm it's tmpfs from df ;/
[23:47] <mickey989> python mne
[23:48] <Ben64> mickey989: doesn't appear to be a program
[23:48] <Bashing-om> Mikubuntu: " Lub had been buggy for several days b4 " A fresh install is called for in such an instance; unless you are willing to expend a lot of time and effort . Backing up personal files . several ways from a live environment .
[23:48] <nacc> mickey989: you will need to use a proper channle for learning how to program in python, i think
[23:48] <Ben64> mickey989: actually it does include a binary... try "mne"
[23:49] <monte_cristo> hey so i went to the ubuntu website to download 16.04 iso,
[23:49] <OerHeks> benit is a special envidonment, processing electroencephalography (EEG) and magnetoencephalography (MEG) data  http://www.martinos.org/mne/dev/install_mne_python.html
[23:49] <monte_cristo> if i want the "mate" desktop is that what i want?
[23:49] <monte_cristo> or did i miss some option selection
[23:49] <Ben64> monte_cristo: you'll want the ubuntu-mate iso if you want ubuntu mate
[23:49] <tatertots> thanks...i now feel disgusted by my lame onboard sound card....thanks theteju  ...j/k :P
[23:49] <monte_cristo> ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:49] <OerHeks> mickey989, there is a dedicated #python channel here on freenode
[23:49] <monte_cristo> Ben64: ok thanks
[23:49] <Ben64> monte_cristo: that is ubuntu (unity desktop)
[23:50] <mickey989> ben64, i downloaded anaconda3 /before) i have the folder and files in my comp, but dont know how to open and run it
[23:50] <theteju> tatertots : what's the point if it doesn't work !!
[23:50] <HaydarOzturk34> you made my day tatertots
[23:50] <theteju> damm it.
[23:50] <HaydarOzturk34> Now CCC is running
[23:50] <tatertots> Haydar...i made your day?...how so?
[23:50] <tatertots> YAY!!!!!!!!!!
[23:50] <HaydarOzturk34> And My screen is better then ever!
[23:50] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om I guess I will try anything where should I start... this so hard typing on a small Android tablet is
[23:50] <tatertots> double YAY!!!!!
[23:51] <tatertots> no more crappy 1024x768 Haydar :P
[23:51] <HaydarOzturk34> Let's go for the next problem I have :P
[23:51] <HaydarOzturk34> Now it's 1920x1024 16:9
[23:51] <HaydarOzturk34> :D
[23:51] <Mikubuntu> why I so slow to the draw
[23:51] <mercury00> nightelf, hmm, I'm no expert, but, what size is your ramdisk? what size is your system memory? How much memory are you using? When you create the ramdisk is the memory reserved for it? are you writing lots of small files or one large one?
[23:51] <mickey989> ok thanks Oerheks, ben64,nacc
[23:52] <tatertots> that's a nice card u have btw Haydar....i'm jealous
[23:53] <tatertots> theteju your sound card DOES work..................................via livecd/liveusb :P
[23:53] <tatertots> Haydar what's your next problem......throw it out there man
[23:54] <tatertots> i'm on my 2nd cup of coffee.....i'm anxious
[23:54] <HaydarOzturk34> You would be more jeoules if I would told you how much I paid for my entire system wich includes; AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor × 8, Raedon HD 7950 full hd Asus monitor , 8GB Ram 120 GB SSD 1TB Harddrive and a gaming mause
[23:54] <Ben64> if you guys want to hang out and chat, there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:54] <HaydarOzturk34> with an amazing motherboard
[23:54] <NightElf> mercury00, 512MB the size of the ramdisk, system memory 32GB, free memory 24GB. saving an image of size 615KB. i have tried to measure the ramdisk performance using dd with conv=fdatasync and i'm getting an output of 2.7GB/s compared to my hdd 166MB/s
[23:54] <tatertots> Haydar now i just want to take my piece of junk computer outside and smash it
[23:55] <NightElf> mercury00, so this is somehow related to my script and not to the ramdisk, am i correct?
[23:55] <HaydarOzturk34> it all coast me... are you ready?
[23:55] <Ben64> !ot | HaydarOzturk34
[23:55] <HaydarOzturk34> Oh sorry Ben64 you are right. Just last massage, 650 dollar
[23:56] <OerHeks> lets move on with support
[23:56] <mercury00> nightelf, yes that sounds like the case, the dd fdatasync seems to be getting actual write speeds as far as I can tell. btw, 166MB/s is pretty fast for a platter drive.
[23:57] <mercury00> if you're getting faster writes to the hdd in your script, it may be just caching the writes. if you're instead getting slow writes to ramdisk in the script, it may be some other processing going on.
[23:57] <tatertots> Haydar what's your next problem man?
[23:57] <tatertots> let's do this
[23:57] <HaydarOzturk34> Everytime I open my pc I saww GNU GRUB version 2.02^beta2-9ubuntu1.0 screen with 5 option. 1-Ubuntu 2- Advanced options for Ubuntu, 3-EFI/ubuntu/MokManager.efi/System Setup
[23:58] <HaydarOzturk34> after couple of second it gives me this error;
[23:58] <HaydarOzturk34> secure boot forbids loading module from
[23:58] <tatertots> Oh i see Haydar
[23:58] <HaydarOzturk34> the module it's trying to load is Xen 4.4-amd64
[23:59] <HaydarOzturk34> and Lınux 4.2.0-38-generic and initial ramdisk
[23:59] <mickey989> im placed under "#python-unregistered" status
[23:59] <HaydarOzturk34> these all are gives the same error
[23:59] <mickey989> think so one can see my msgs
[23:59] <mercury00> nightelf, I'd scrutinize any libraries or tools you're using to write the data. sometimes, some software libraries are using nonoptimized code to write data and are trying to do unnecessary things or not doing the right things to write data to disk effeciently
[23:59] <HaydarOzturk34> and says failed to boot both default and fallback entries
[23:59] <Mikubuntu> Bashing-om I restarted and did an upstart on what I thought was a previous version and lub seemed to be starting up gave a splash screen and login dialogue but won't accept my pwd or login to guest session