[00:05] <chuckmcm> Any system where the root boot device is immutable during normal system operation.  I know of at least one signage company where the "signage" OS (linux based) is booted from USB, and the "default" system has a copy of windows on it
[00:06] <chuckmcm> the manufacturer for the hardware does all their tests on Windows. But the dedicated signage app is a Linux application.
[00:07] <chuckmcm> They create a distro with their app on it on a bootable USB, plug it into the hardware on site and "poof" the sign lights up with their material
[00:07] <chuckmcm> the actual hardware is just a PC where the boot order is set to boot USB before the internal hard drive
[00:11] <craigbass76> I'm trying to shrink an ntfs partition from a livecd. Gparted can't do it wihtout ntfs-3g (which I got installed) and ntfsprogs, which when I try apt-get insalling it tells me there's no installation candidate. What's missing? I've only got one 16.04 box in the house and I've not used it much yet
[00:20] <soiled> root boot device.. not the root directory of the OS itself?
[00:21] <soiled> if i understand correctly you need sudo to install updates to the OS
[00:21] <soiled> security patches, etc
[00:23] <soiled> craigbass76, i think there's an apt-get feature that lets you search for similar filenames, in case 'ntfsprogs' is a typo of some sort
[00:23] <chuckmcm> soiled: depending on what your end goal is, you can remount root rw, update, then remount ro.
[00:23] <chuckmcm> (craigbass76 apt-cache search ntfs)
[00:24] <soiled> ah alright chuckmcm, thanks. i'll check that out.
[00:24] <chuckmcm> however  soiled since automatic updates assume a writable root file system and your going to have to change systems tools to work with a read only root file system you won't be able to use existing tools.
[00:25] <soiled> ah i couldn't change root from rw to ro if i'm using the flashdrive
[00:26] <chuckmcm> Well not and expect all "straight from the distro" tools to work. Sometimes things write back to their /etc directories, or /run etc. You'll no doubt have /run symlinked out to a RAM partition etc.
[00:27] <chuckmcm> This is well plowed territory in the embedded linux space so I really think you will want to start there.
[00:27] <soiled> ok, i will. thank you.
[00:39] <craigbass76> chuckmcm, hrmmm ntfs-config looked likely, but I'm getting the same message
[00:41] <craigbass76> Thes earen't kernel modules that require a reboot are they?
[00:41] <craigbass76> And I just did this lasst night on another Windows 7 box with the same cd. Weird.
[00:42] <chuckmcm> there may be. As I recall I needed to reboot after installing cifs-utils
[00:46] <craigbass76> Ahh. That won't work so well I guess on a livecd
[00:47] <craigbass76> I wish this person would just let me install Xubuntu...
[00:50] <chuckmcm> or physically remove the drive and connect it to a system running Xubuntu :-)
[00:51] <chuckmcm> I've got one of those USB to SATA/PATA/IDE drive adapters for just such cases.
[01:36] <ax562> anyone recommend a good virtual machine setup tutorial for xubuntu?
[01:53] <pleia2> ax562: have you tried virtualbox?
[01:53] <pleia2> it's slower without virt in the CPU, but it works
[01:54] <ax562> not running windows atm
[01:54] <ax562> that's only windows right?
[01:54] <pleia2> no...
[01:54] <pleia2> I use it on xubuntu all the time, I use the linux version
[01:55] <pleia2> apt-get install virtualbox
[01:55] <ax562> ah is that through ubuntu software center
[01:55] <Unit193> pleia2: You don't use the Windows one inside a Windows kvm?
[01:55] <ax562> no vt-x needed
[01:55] <ax562> ?
[01:55] <pleia2> Unit193: I don't use windows anywhere in any form!
[01:55] <ax562> hahah
[01:56] <pleia2> ax562: if you have vt-x it will use it, but it's not required
[01:56] <ax562> thanks :)
[01:56] <pleia2> you're welcome
[01:57] <ax562> woot
[01:57] <ax562> tiny app
[02:38] <ax562> do you guys usually install xubuntu on vm or just try it from iso?
[02:40] <eggggs>  for me installs go so fast on xubuntu  that i try to install it all and if i crash it reformat
[02:44] <ax562> thanks eggggs
[02:44] <ax562> going really slow btw :/
[02:47] <eggggs> whats going slow ax562
[02:47] <ax562> my vm install of xubuntu 16.10
[02:48] <eggggs> i think alot of that depends on power of pc and settings of vm , so many variables
[02:48] <ax562> yeah i chose dynamic hdd and also I have crap cpu :/
[02:49] <eggggs> live cds are slow to load but use all ram and full power of pc
[02:50] <eggggs> im still learning  vm stuff and usually crash the vm ehhe
[02:51] <ax562> haha
[02:51] <ax562> i've run vm before but not often
[02:51] <ax562> i usually just partition hd and install
[06:15] <nomad> Hi, does anyone know how to disable or edit the right click context menu in xfce4?
[06:33] <nomad> Anyone?
[06:34] <flocculant> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6981 post 10 - not sure if that'll still work with xfce4.12 though
[06:36] <pavlushka> nomad: you are new here?
[06:38] <nomad> yes
[06:38] <nomad> Not the right place?
[06:38] <flocculant> nomad: yes it's the right place :)
[06:39] <nomad> Disabling the desktop entirely is not an option i need the icons.
[06:40] <flocculant> nomad: to be honest I'm not sure there is a simple way to do what you want
[06:40] <nomad> If it's not possible to disable the context menu I could live with editing out a few things but i haven't found anything useful on the net.
[06:40] <nomad> I wasn't going for easy, flocculant.
[06:41] <flocculant> nomad: then you probably need to look into compiling it with things disabled
[06:42] <flocculant> you might be better using the xfce forum https://forum.xfce.org/
[06:42] <flocculant> I assume that was you asking the same on askubuntu yesterday?
[06:42] <nomad> yes.
[06:43] <nomad> Do you know which application provides the context menu?
[06:44] <flocculant> nope
[06:44] <nomad> ok, then I'll ask the forum, maybe someone knows.
[06:45] <nomad> or would the mailing list be a better palce?
[06:45] <flocculant> maybe
[06:45] <flocculant> both :)
[07:21] <nomad> flocculant: thank you for your help.
[07:24] <flocculant> nomad: welcome - even if I couldn't much :)
[07:25] <ax562> flocculant I\m back.  couldnt sleep
[07:53] <ax562> flocculant running deluge but not working in 16.10
[08:14] <Unit193> ax562: Bug 1593428
[08:15] <ax562> Unit193 how can I reference that without "bugging" anyone here?
[08:32] <Unit193> Eh?
[08:32] <Unit193> There's a "Affects me too" button at the top of the bug report.
[08:32] <ax562> I mean how can I check if bug has been reported?
[09:03] <ax562> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtorrent-rasterbar/+bug/1593428/+choose-affected-product
[15:30] <choki> does xubuntu still need more ram than vanilla xfce?
[21:57] <ax562> hello
[23:18] <ignatio> good evening all
[23:36] <ax562> hi
[23:51] <ax562> what\s the best way to check if bug has been reported?