[00:00] <ikonia> (as in a none-desktop environment recovery shell)
[00:00] <Bashing-om> hammer25: Other apt application open at the same time ? There can be but one open .
[00:00] <dylan__> I don't, no
[00:00] <ikonia> dylan__: do you know how to get the grub boot menu up ?
[00:01] <dylan__> I don't in 16.04
[00:01] <dylan__> I believe it was holding shift though
[00:01] <ikonia> dylan__: in the grub menu there is normally a "recovery mode" option and then you can select a recovery shell
[00:01] <ikonia> once you do that run
[00:01] <Jordan_U> dylan__: Hold shift on BIOS, spam escape for UEFI.
[00:02] <ikonia> "X -configure"
[00:02] <ikonia> Jordan_U: thank you,
[00:02] <dylan__> ikonia: I will do that once I get an IRC client on my phone
[00:02] <Jordan_U> ikonia: You're welcome.
[00:02] <dylan__> 2 secs
[00:02] <ikonia> dylan__: that will create a template xorg.conf that is sane in /root
[00:02] <ikonia> dylan__: from that you can use copy that into /etc/X11 and change it's config options
[00:03] <dylan__> so X -configure and that's it?
[00:04] <ikonia> dylan__: thas it
[00:04] <dylan__> Alright. I'll get back to you in a couple minutes (I'll still be on my phone)
[00:04] <Bashing-om> ikonia: dylan__ In recovery, set the file system r/w ?
[00:04] <ikonia> Bashing-om: should be r/w already
[00:05] <ikonia> Bashing-om: it only mounts r/o if there is a problem
[00:05] <ikonia> he's chosing to boot into it, should be fine
[00:06] <Bashing-om> ikonia: K; good to remember . I thought activating recovery .. was read only then .
[00:06] <ikonia> Bashing-om: I could be wrong, we'll find out soon enough
[00:06] <teward> ikonia: recovery mode usually does r/o mode, you usually have to remoutn with `mount -o remount,rw /` or w/e it is
[00:06]  * teward hasn't had to boot into recovery in an age
[00:07] <ikonia> teward: never had it in r/o mode, so I'd be surprised
[00:07] <ikonia> but I pretty much never use it
[00:07] <plop_its_ellie> it should have write access
[00:08] <teward> ikonia: i've never had a recovery mode with a root shell that isn't r/o but eh.  Only ever cared when I fat-fingered my password and it didn't work anymore :P
[00:11] <tatertots> welcome back dylan
[00:11] <dylan_cl> Ikonia could you please repeat your instructions?
[00:11] <dylan_cl> I think I'm doing something wrong
[00:11] <ikonia> no problem
[00:12] <ikonia> dylan_cl: from the reovery root shell, "X -configure"
[00:12] <ikonia> dylan_cl: that will create a template xorg.conf in /root
[00:13] <dylan_cl> Fatal server error
[00:14] <ikonia> dylan_cl: thats ok
[00:14] <dylan_cl> Could not create lock file in /tmp/.tx0-lock
[00:14] <ikonia> dylan_cl: did you see a template in /root
[00:15] <dylan_cl> I did not
[00:15] <dylan_cl> At least, I don't think
[00:15] <ikonia> dylan_cl: nothing like xorg.conf in /root ?
[00:15] <ikonia> dylan_cl: try "touch /tmp/dylan.txt" what does it say
[00:15] <ikonia> I wonder if teward is right
[00:15] <dylan_cl> Still in the root shell?
[00:15] <ikonia> dylan_cl: yes
[00:16] <dylan_cl> No such file or directory
[00:17] <ikonia> dylan_cl: ls -la /tmp
[00:17] <ikonia> dylan_cl: does that work ?
[00:17] <dylan_cl> Yes
[00:17] <ikonia> dylan_cl: so "touch /tmp/dylan.txt" does that work
[00:18] <dylan_cl> Cannot touch...  Read-only file system
[00:18] <ikonia> dylan_cl: there we go, teward was correct
[00:18] <teward> ikonia: it's always r/o in recovery mode, you have to drop to root to get it into r/w mode
[00:18] <ikonia> dylan_cl: so you need to mount it read/write
[00:18] <teward> has been since I"ve ever touched it back in 9.04 and onwards :P
[00:18] <ikonia> dylan_cl: so mount -o remount rw /
[00:19] <ikonia> "mount -o remount rw /"
[00:19] <dylan_cl> My recovery menu just went weird
[00:19] <dylan_cl> Is restarting ok?
[00:19] <ikonia> sure, it won't matter
[00:20] <ikonia> apologies, i'll have to drop off as it's getting very late, but one of the other guys in here will help you finish off,
[00:20] <ikonia> some solid guys who can help you generate a template xorg.conf to try some settings
[00:20] <dylan_cl> Oh, alrifht
[00:20] <dylan_cl> Thanks so much for the help
[00:21] <teward> ikonia: erm
[00:21] <teward> ikonia: `mount -o remount,rw /`
[00:21] <teward> extra space will botch it up
[00:23] <dylan_cl> Teward, would you be able to help me now that ikonia is gone?
[00:24] <teward> dylan_cl: i am not x.org fluent, apologies
[00:24] <dylan_cl> No worries
[00:25] <teward> dylan_cl: though I know my way around the recovery console and how to get the system into r/w mode from there as was necessary here, I can't help beyond that sorry.
[00:25] <teward> perhaps someone else can.
[00:26] <dylan_cl> Maybe tomorrow. Since it's almost 2:30 I should probably go sleep.
[00:57] <SolitaryCypher> Does anyone know what /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/power_now contains when a laptop is charging?
[00:58] <SolitaryCypher> When it is discharging it is power consumption, I assume it would stay the same when charging, but technically the power consumption is negative
[00:58] <SolitaryCypher> So it is the net consumption or the consumption not including the adapters input?
[01:10] <pistle> I have seen several formats for the dd command to create a live usb...is there more than one right way to do it?
[01:11] <penrod> anybody have any luck installing letsencrypt
[01:11] <pistle> for example the one I used that worked was "dd bs=4M if=xubuntu-16.04-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdb" but the guide has a / before the xubuntu iso but when using it I get "no such file or directory
[01:11] <Jordan_U> pistle: Yes. Any reasonable value for bs= for example will have the same outcome, but could just change how soon it completes.
[01:11] <pistle> I was in the parent directory and did ls so I could see the iso
[01:12] <pistle> Jordan_u: What about the path names and sync etc? I have seen variations of this and only got it to work by trial and error
[01:13] <pistle> I tried it with status but it failed...I removed status and it worked etc
[01:13] <pistle> seems finicky
[01:14] <SolitaryCypher> pistle: the / before xubuntu means it is looking for the file at the root of your filesystem. Without the slash it means it looks for it in your current directory
[01:14] <Jordan_U> pistle: As a file path, for any command, '/foo' means the file named 'foo' in the root directory. 'foo' means the file named 'foo' in the current directory (which you can print by running "pwd").
[01:14] <pistle> Ah so if I start with a / I need a full path name from root? better to just cd into the containing directory then eh?
[01:15] <SolitaryCypher> yes
[01:15] <pistle> thanks
[01:15] <Bashing-om> pistle: Then 'dd' command I use ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' Where X is the target drive ( a,b,c ) .
[01:15] <Jordan_U> pistle: status= is a very new addition, and won't work with older versions of dd.
[01:15] <TechnoTrumpet> Does anyone have any advice for me if I am switching from Windows to Ubuntu?
[01:15] <SolitaryCypher> pistle: also be careful with dd. It /will/ ruin your life at some point :P
[01:15] <pistle> what does sync do in this instance?
[01:15] <pistle> SolitaryCypher: How?
[01:16] <xangua> ! Manual | TechnoTrumpet
[01:16] <pistle> I am playing with fire?
[01:16] <Bashing-om> pistle: "sync" flushes the cache to disk .
[01:16] <SolitaryCypher> pistle: if you make of=XXX the wrong thing it can overwrite your hard drive
[01:16] <Jordan_U> pistle: A one character typo could lead you to wipe your internal drive instead of the USB drive.
[01:16] <jamesd> sync flushes all the caches outo the harddrrive, and shouldn't return untill all blocks have been written
[01:16] <pistle> Oh my...not good
[01:16] <TechnoTrumpet> thanks ubottu and xangua
[01:17] <pistle> what is flushing the cache to disk?
[01:17] <pistle> dont know what that means
[01:17] <plop_its_ellie> i didnt even know there was an ubuntu manual xD
[01:17] <Jordan_U> pistle: Indeed. You should triple check any dd command before running it. It is appropriate ro be nervous when using dd.
[01:17] <CRzz> Hi, how does one use USB BT Dongles for k/b and mouse with ubuntu...? I'm dual booting Ubuntu 16.04 and Win7... know it was working like a charm before on some previous version, might have been like 14.10.
[01:17] <SolitaryCypher> Linux will sometimes put off writing the actual data to the usb / hard drive until the cpu is not busy. sync does it immediatly
[01:17] <jamesd> pistle: the Operating systems wrties changes to memory because its fast, it may not be done writing all that data to disk untill you execute the sync command
[01:17] <pistle> will it actually let you take out your OS drive while you are using it? No warning?
[01:18] <andrew__> hi
[01:18] <andrew__> i have a few questions, I have installed accidentally 32bit ubuntu
[01:18] <SolitaryCypher> Yep. You'd think there would be safeguards
[01:18] <andrew__> but it sees 8 gigs ram. ? how does it see 8 gigs ram/?
[01:19] <SolitaryCypher> I think '# rm -rf /' is safeguarded
[01:19] <pistle> jamesd: that explains why I failed the firest time as I didn't use sync and pulled the drive when it seemed done
[01:19] <SolitaryCypher> (don't do that command)
[01:19] <jamesd> it see's your hardware has 8GB of ram, but each process can only allocate up to about 3GB of ram...   its tricky...
[01:19] <pistle> I tried unetbootin and some other tools...they never, ever worked so I tried dd and it seems to if I do it right...
[01:19] <plop_its_ellie> pae kernel
[01:20] <Bashing-om> andrew__: PAE, Physical Address Extension . See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE .
[01:20] <pistle> next mission is a multiboot with persistence but I need to read more first...I barely managed this single distro without persistence
[01:21] <Tin_man> i've used unetbootin for years, and have had no problem as long as extlinux, and or syslinux was installed
[01:21] <pistle> Tin_man: I don't know what those are...are they tools?
[01:21] <Tin_man> part of unetbootin
[01:21] <pistle> I am using xbuntu 1604 and I am very new at it
[01:21] <SolitaryCypher> pistle: It's much easier to install windows first, then ubuntu; for when you try it next
[01:21] <Tin_man> it will say if it's not installed when using it..
[01:22] <pistle> SolitaryCypher: sorry I meant multi linux distro...I don't have windows
[01:22] <pistle> I wanted to make a live USB with a few linux distros and persistence...just to experiment and learn
[01:22] <SolitaryCypher> Ah right. Then you (probably) won't have to deal with the isseu I was thinking of
[01:23] <pistle> if I did somehow ever use windows you need to install it first?
[01:23] <SolitaryCypher> You don't have to, it just makes it easier. Windows will overwrite the Linux boot manager, so you can't immedatly boot into Linux again
[01:24] <SolitaryCypher> you have to go back to the Live CD and reinstall the linux boot manager
[01:24] <Bashing-om> pistle: No, you do not "need" to .. but if you do not .. will have to manually re-install the boot loader .
[01:24] <pistle> can you guys recommend a method for making a live multiboot linux USB on xubuntu? I found this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ but havent tired it yet
[01:25] <andrew__> Bashing-om: what I mean is.. I have a perfectly working i5 intel with 8 gig ram .. dell e6420 . however, I accidentally installed 32 bit and have been installing programs on it for a week.. does this mean I should start over?
[01:25] <pistle> can you do a multiboot with dd?
[01:27] <SolitaryCypher> technically yes, but you don't want to.
[01:27] <SolitaryCypher> Try the tool instead
[01:35] <plop_its_ellie> wait you can multiboot with dd????
[01:35] <Bashing-om> andrew__: What release did you install ? 16.04 ? Then yes I would re-install the 64 bit version; due to 16.04 is Long Term Support ,, and 32 bit applications are going south .
[01:49] <centurion> hi can someone help me, instead of displaying the normal splash image i get kernel status when booting
[01:49] <centurion> how to set it displaying splash instead?
[01:51] <Bashing-om> centurion: Have you edited /etc/default/grub ?
[01:51] <centurion> No, I have not Bashing-om
[01:53] <Bashing-om> centurion: Well, then the splash image should cover the boot messages . what is the messages that you see ?
[01:54] <centurion> service [status] where status is OK
[01:55] <Bashing-om> centurion: Odd .. that you see that without explicitly enabling to see them .. what release is this ?
[01:55] <centurion> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[01:55] <centurion> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[01:55] <centurion> Release:	16.04
[01:55] <centurion> Codename:	xenial
[01:59] <Bashing-om> centurion: Sorry, I can not say what the cause is . Only thought I had was an edit to /etc/default/grub had been done to disable the splash image .
[01:59] <centurion> Bashing-om, I have send you a PM with grub config
[01:59] <teward> !pastebin | centurion
[01:59] <teward> use a pastebin
[01:59] <teward> :)
[02:00] <Tex_Nick> phunyguy:
[02:00] <Tex_Nick> ..........................................................................
[02:01] <Tex_Nick> whhops sorry people
[02:01] <Tex_Nick> my cat did that :(
[02:02] <Bashing-om> centurion: An edit has been made to disable splash ! " GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" ....... GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX="None" " .. there are also beeter ways to make up a custom image .
[02:03] <Bashing-om> better*
[02:03] <centurion> interesting. so GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT should be uncommented ?
[02:03] <HackerII> suuuuure, blame the cat.
[02:04] <Bashing-om> centurion: See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaintenanceFreeCustomGrub2Screen . I have used this tutorial, and it works great .
[02:04] <tatertots> meow
[02:06] <centurion> centurion, so cmd_linux_default should be GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[02:06] <centurion> ?
[02:06] <centurion> Bashing-om,
[02:07] <Bashing-om> centurion: Look in your config file and you see - GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" - then you added - GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="" - such that the 1st entry is nullified .
[02:09] <ayylmao> Hello, I just started using Ubuntu and -- you must get this question all the time-- how do I install Steam?
[02:09] <LiquidSwordsman> Hey all, I have a question that turns up no search results and I don't know enough to diagnose it. I had the issue on 14.04 and it persists on 16.04 where when I connect my bluetooth headset all streaming videos in any browser stop playing. If I disconnect them, playback resumes
[02:09] <Bashing-om> !info steam | ayylmao
[02:10] <LiquidSwordsman> This happens if the headset is connected before the browser is open, and happens regardless of browser
[02:10] <complexity> @ayylmao https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-steam-on-ubuntu-16-04-xenial-xerus
[02:11] <OerHeks> #ubuntu-steam
[02:12] <hammer25> hey guys, i'm using the python3.5 interactive mode, and for no apparent reason I got this message:
[02:12] <hammer25> >>> [WARNING:flash/platform/pepper/pep_module.cpp(63)] SANDBOXED
[02:12] <hammer25> followed by this:
[02:12] <hammer25> [1:1:0625/220756:ERROR:PlatformKeyboardEvent.cpp(117)] Not implemented reached in static PlatformEvent::Modifiers blink::PlatformKeyboardEvent::getCurrentModifierState()
[02:13] <hammer25> repeated 8 times
[02:13] <hammer25> what does that all mean?
[02:13] <noah_> ]
[02:14] <LiquidSwordsman> I just found out this only happens if I'm using A2DP, however HSP/FPF sounds awful
[02:14] <LiquidSwordsman> Ideas?
[02:14] <Jordan_U> LiquidSwordsman: Try asking in #pulseaudio.
[02:15] <hammer25> Hmm, it happens every time i scroll
[02:15] <hammer25> in the window i opened with webbrowser.open()
[02:18] <ayylmao> How do I get the terminal back up? I closed it out and now it's just sullenly blinking on the dash
[02:19] <Tex_Nick> hammer25: you might ask the good people in #python
[02:20] <Anonaly_> after upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04 (Xubuntu), my firefox does not show a titlebar.
[02:20] <Anonaly_> it does show a titlebar but I have to make a new firefox profile
[02:21] <glrrf> why won't rythymbox stream .m3u audio?
[02:21] <Anonaly_> I don't want to do that however because I have a firefox profile that is configured already
[02:21] <Anonaly_> (kept it from ubuntu 14.04)
[02:25] <ayylmao> I can't find a common mistakes guide on command line
[02:25] <ayylmao> and I don't know why it's blinking at me
[02:27] <codepython777> has anyone here ever setup a hot-spot and a P2P connection on the same machine with 2 wireless adapters?
[02:28] <joey_> anybody know if its possible to burn an iso to a hard drive and boot off it in the bios like you do a usb stick
[02:30] <Bashing-om> joey_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[02:30] <d3bug> hey folks.  quick question:  If there any way to set a custom sleep time (inactivity)... in other words, sleep after x hours?  as of right now, the longest delay I can set is 2hrs
[02:30] <d3bug> is*
[02:36] <Jordan_U> joey_: You don't "burn" files to hard drives, you jist write them. And you can write Ubuntu isos sector by sector to a hard drive (for example using dd) then boot from that drive, in addition to the possibility of just copying the iso as a file to the drive and having grub loop boot it as Bashing-om posted.
[02:37] <joey_> Jordan_U, im trying to boot the remix os iso i know its not ubuntu but i tried dd straight to hdd and it wont boot
[02:38] <joey_> i might try the grub loop boot
[02:38] <d3bug> anyone know how to set a custom sleep timer?  ie; sleep after 5hrs
[02:40] <ayylmao> I've been met with an "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)"
[02:40] <Jordan_U> d3bug: I am not sure if thos applies to Ubuntu and Unity or not, but: http://superuser.com/questions/727120/make-gnome-screen-lock-after-1-hour-not-15-minutes
[02:41] <ayylmao> Anyone got any advice on what is wrong and how to fix it?
[02:42] <joey_> what file system can grub2 read
[02:42] <Jordan_U> d3bug: Does "gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-delay" return the current setting (in seconds)?
[02:42] <joey_> can it read ntfs
[02:42] <kevin_33> hi
[02:42] <kevin_33> how to register?
[02:42] <kevin_33> for irc ?
[02:42] <Nilesh_> can i upgrade from 32 bit ubuntu to 64 bit?
[02:42] <Jordan_U> joey_: Any that you can think of (and many you can't :)
[02:43] <joey_> ok
[02:43] <Jordan_U> Nilesh_: No, but you can re-install preserving /home/.
[02:43] <kevin_33> i dont know how to register for IRC chat
[02:43] <Jordan_U> !register | kevin_33
[02:44] <Tex_Nick> Jordan_U: reminds me of media journalist use of the term downloading when they should be saying copying ... as in recent Egypt flight 804, media keeps referring to downloading data from blackboxs
[02:44] <Nilesh_> Jordan_U:  how?
[02:45] <kevin_33> what is nickserv ?
[02:45] <kevin_33> i am trying to register but dont know what is nickserv
[02:46] <Jordan_U> Nilesh_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation
[02:47] <Jordan_U> kevin_33: Nickserv is a bot that handles (among other things) registering and identifying with the freenode network.
[02:47] <kevin_33> so for this room nickserver is ubuntu ?
[02:48] <Jordan_U> kevin_33: No. There is only one nickserv, for the entire network.
[02:48] <d3bug> Jordan_U: I am trying to put the system to sleep though, not lock the screen or turn the screen off.
[02:50] <Nilesh_> I dont see ubuntu image for 64 bit i386 here http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/... where can i get it?
[02:52] <williamconna> hello all
[02:53] <Ben64> Nilesh_: amd64 = 64 bit
[02:53] <Jordan_U> d3bug: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/69364/automatic-suspend-setting/ Again, I don't know if this applies to Ubuntu/Unity and I can't test it at the moment. O recommend doing more research yourself and experiment with "get" to check the value, change it in gnome-control-center, then get it again to confirm that that is the key whose value seems to be changed.
[02:55] <Nilesh_> Ben64: but does that work for i386?
[02:56] <Ben64> Nilesh_: can you explain what you're doing exactly
[02:57] <Nilesh_> Ben64:I need to install 64 Ubuntu 16.04 64 bit on my pc
[02:57] <Nilesh_> its i3 form intel
[02:57] <Nilesh_> from *
[02:57] <Ben64> yeah, then you want the amd64 iso
[02:58] <sponix> I like the Ubuntu Server 16.04 .. Pretty sexy
[02:58] <Ben64> i386 has no relation to the "i3" cpu, it means it's targeted to the intel 80386, a ~30 year old cpu
[02:58] <Nilesh_> ok thanks... i was a bit confused with the *name* amd64
[02:58] <Ben64> amd was first with 64bit and they "won" so 64bit stuff is called amd64
[02:59] <Nilesh_> I see
[03:00] <allquixotic> Does Ubuntu Landscape with the paid Advantage plans offer automatic security update functionality?
[03:01] <ayylmao> I'm getting a glXChooseVisual error when I try and run steam. I used to get a badvalue error, but then I changed drivers
[03:02] <xangua> allquixotic: that would be a question for canonical
[03:05] <bipul> What does it mean "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)" ??
[03:06] <bipul> I am looking for the meaning for this above statement which i have pasted.
[03:09] <Ben64> bipul: something is using dpkg already
[03:10] <bipul> Yes we know that, but what it says " Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg.lock?
[03:10] <bipul> It must have some meaning.
[03:11] <ayylmao> I restarted my system to apply the driver changes and now it is requiring a password
[03:12] <ayylmao> I never asked it to require a password at login
[03:15] <CarlFK> bipul:  dpkg won't continue if it can't lock that file .
[03:15] <nicole> hi
[03:16] <bipul> that file which is running at the moment you mean? CarlFK
[03:20] <CarlFK> bipul: dpkg is the command that is running.
[03:23] <CarlFK> bipul: this may help with learning the concept https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_(programming)
[03:27] <pperezp306> Hola?
[03:27] <tatertots> Hola pperezp306
[03:28] <pperezp306> Que onda, como andamos?
[03:28] <grizzly> Hola!
[03:29] <grizzly> Hola pperezp306, hola tatertots!
[03:29] <ludwig> Hi all
[03:29] <ludwig> I am new here
[03:29] <tatertots> hello grizzly
[03:29] <ludwig> is all about Linux?
[03:30] <pperezp306> yeap, im using ubuntu mate
[03:30] <tatertots> Ubuntu linux specifically
[03:30] <ludwig> Me too, I am new here. Can you suggest a good tutorial ?
[03:30] <ludwig> I want to learn terminal
[03:30] <tatertots> tutorial for?
[03:30] <pperezp306> well, what
[03:31] <glrrf> answered my own question: Banshee > Rhythmbox
[03:31] <grizzly> I use Xubuntu.
[03:31] <pperezp306> thing you wath to do?
[03:31] <acerimmer> !manual | ludwig
[03:31] <kevin_33> how to search for channels with particular topics
[03:31] <kevin_33> ?
[03:32] <ludwig> is this link a good option ?
[03:32] <ludwig> http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/
[03:33] <ludwig> or something like code academy for shell?
[03:35] <mon_> how to show my  backbox version ?
[03:36] <acerimmer> !backbox | mon_
[03:38] <mon_> how to show  which version i use?
[03:39] <acerimmer> mon_, backbox IS NOT supported here.  see the link above for help
[03:39] <mon_> nothing to see
[03:39] <mon_> which post i follow?
[03:39] <acerimmer> !backbox > mon_
[03:40] <tatertots> mon you could ask the systems administrator that installed it which version they installed....good system admins usually know this kinda stuff off the top of their heads
[03:41] <kevin_33> i have installed everything i want on ubuntu
[03:41] <mon_> ok
[03:41] <kevin_33> have managed to switch from windows
[03:45] <CarlFK> I am trying to install DeckLink-7.9.4rc17-amd64.deb  from  http://software.blackmagicdesign.com/DeckLink/v7.9.4/DeckLink_Linux_7.9.4.tar.gz
[03:45] <CarlFK> Dependency is not satisfiable: libmng1
[03:46] <CarlFK> any suggestions on what I should do?
[03:47] <CarlFK> i am thinking find the libmng1 source package and try building it on xenial and see what happens
[04:00] <ayylmao> I'm getting to the unlock dick sdc3_crypt screen, but the cursor isn't moving to the box, it's just sitting in the upper left hand corner
[04:08] <ayylmao> I booted into safemode and now I'm back at the problem I was having before
[04:09] <ayylmao> I put the password in and the screen flashes for a moment before dumping be back into the main screen
[04:09] <ayylmao> if I put in the wrong password, it tells me
[04:09] <ayylmao> nor can I start guest sessions
[04:09] <Ben64> what was the original issue?
[04:10] <ayylmao> Steam wasn't running so I had to change the drivers
[04:10] <ayylmao> when I restarted the system, this happened
[04:10] <Ben64> what gpu
[04:10] <ayylmao> evga 970
[04:10] <Ben64> any other gpus? integrated, etc
[04:11] <Ben64> question mostly applies to laptops
[04:12] <ayylmao> I restarted it again to try and get to the BIOS, but I got distracted and it went to the sdc3_crypt screen again
[04:12] <ayylmao> this time I couldn't type anything
[04:15] <ayylmao> can I run in failsafex and try to fix the driver problem?
[04:15] <tatertots> did you try to reinstall steam after changing drivers?
[04:15] <tatertots> yes/no?
[04:15] <ayylmao> I restarted right after the driver changes
[04:16] <tatertots> that means you haven't tried to reinstall steam after changing drivers correct?......a simple "no" would have been great but okay
[04:17] <ayylmao> How could I reinstall steam if I restarted the system immediately after changing the drivers?
[04:17] <nicole> what is a kernel driver and what is a kernel module
[04:17] <nicole> I get both headers using lspci -k
[04:21] <tatertots> Hi nicole...sounds like someone was already helping you with what ever is broken that you are attempting to repair
[04:22] <nicole> tatertots: no one
[04:22] <nicole> tatertots: is a question thrown out
[04:22] <tatertots> Nicole....what problem are you dealing with ?
[04:23] <tatertots> Ah okay I see ...just looking for general linux knowledge type stuff
[04:23] <nicole> I want to see if ubuntu detects a wireless nic wag511 when I insert it it doesn´t show using lspci -k
[04:26] <tatertots> nicole ...anything in the logs
[04:26] <nicole> tatertots: how? dmesg?
[04:27] <tatertots> nicole...yes dmesg is one place to look
[04:28] <ShekharReddy> hello i I have  pen drive which I made bootable using some other system (OS).
[04:28] <ShekharReddy> But I need to make it normal as it was before
[04:28] <ShekharReddy> can anyone help me out of this
[04:28] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, gparted.  plug in your drive and disable the "bootable" flag
[04:30] <nicole> tatertots: how to filter out for that card? itś an atheros should I do dmesg | grep Atheros?
[04:42] <ShekharReddy> chowlett:  hello
[04:42] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, greetings.
[04:43] <HipHipHezah_> Hello :) A Fresh new Ubuntu user here. Left the terror of windows 10.
[04:43] <ShekharReddy> i have done the following disks-->selected the device--> disabled the bootable flag chowlett
[04:43] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, so you should be good ...
[04:46] <uebera||> Hi. With unbound-host installed, is there a reason why "apt-get purge bind9-host" tries to uninstall "avahi-daemon* avahi-utils* bind9-host* dnsutils* libnss-mdns* ubuntu-standard*"? I would expect that avahi, ubuntu-standard can work with both?
[04:47] <ShekharReddy> chowlett:  no i am not, it should be like this https://snag.gy/P7KLW6.jpg   but it is like this  https://snag.gy/Cr2EI3.jpg
[04:48] <tatertots> I was curious what he actually meant by he wanted his usb drive to be "normal" as it was before
[04:48] <tatertots> kinda vague
[04:48] <tatertots> "normal"
[04:48] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, did you reformat?  my USB has no MBR ...
[04:48] <tatertots> lol
[04:48] <chowlett> HipHipHezah_, greetings.  state your ubuntu question.
[04:48] <tatertots> wtf does normal mean
[04:48] <ShekharReddy> chowlett:  yes i did
[04:49] <ShekharReddy> MBR ?  chowlett
[04:49] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, USB drives meant for storage do not carry a MBR partition.
[04:49] <ShekharReddy> chowlett:  what should i do now
[04:50] <tatertots> but when they talk vague like that...i just stay 50 feet away from end users like that
[04:50] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, clarify: the 8 GB is the problem device?
[04:50] <ShekharReddy> yes 8GB is the problem
[04:50] <tatertots> that ones all yours lol
[04:52] <ShekharReddy> chowlett:  can u provide a sol for thst
[04:52] <ShekharReddy> *that
[04:52] <chowlett> ShekharReddy, it's unallocated space.  select it and add a fat32 formatted partition
[04:53] <BlueShark> Hey. My swap is shown as Not Available. What could be the issue?
[04:55] <chowlett> !swap BlueShark
[04:55] <chowlett> !swap
[04:55] <BlueShark> chowlett, I know what swap is - it's just not being used.
[04:56] <BlueShark> This is what `free -m` shows - "Swap:            0          0          0"
[04:56] <Ben64> BlueShark: pastebin the output of "blkid"
[04:57] <strass_> I bought a bluetooth mouse without looking to see whether it'd be supported on linux or not
[04:57] <strass_> how big of a mistake have I made?
[04:57] <strass_> bluetooth mobile mouse 3600
[04:57] <chowlett> strass_, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .... plug it in and see for yourself?
[04:57] <strass_> it says it's connected but not paired
[05:00] <strass_> Failed to pair: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply
[05:00] <wie_> rilis ubuntu
[05:01] <chowlett> strass_, my bt mouse also has a custom USB receiver.  plug in the receiver, switch on plugnplay
[05:01] <BlueShark> Ben64, http://pastebin.com/Q1fTuWDA
[05:01] <BlueShark> That's the output of "blkid"
[05:02] <strass_> I don think it came with receiver
[05:04] <Ben64> BlueShark: doesn't appear you have a swap partition
[05:05] <BlueShark> Ben64, /dev/sda5 is swap partition
[05:05] <BlueShark> But it's not listed here.
[05:06] <chowlett> BlueShark, sudo swapon??
[05:07] <Ben64> BlueShark: what is the output of "blkid /dev/sda5"
[05:07] <BlueShark> chowlett, if you meant sudo swapon -a, I tried that, but no output.
[05:07] <BlueShark> Ben64, no output.
[05:08] <BlueShark> Disclaimer: I commented out two lines in /etc/fstab and /etc/crypttab1 to fix an error message.
[05:09] <Ben64> sudo file -s /dev/sda5
[05:09] <BlueShark> /dev/sda5: data
[05:09] <Ben64> not a swap partition
[05:09] <BlueShark> OK, does my modifying fstab have anything to do with this?
[05:09] <Ben64> no
[05:10] <strass_> now it's even connected and paired... just won't move the cursor
[05:10] <BlueShark> Ben64, okay, how to make it a swap partition then?
[05:10] <VISHNU_PRASAD> mkswap  /dev/sda5
[05:10] <Ben64> make sure nothing is on there that you want
[05:13] <Guest53265> ni
[05:14] <der-landgraf> is there a good linux app which can integrate social media as good as a cell phone
[05:16] <sudarshan> Hello  I am facing display flickering problem in Lubuntu 16.04. What should I do? please reply...
[05:16] <VISHNU_PRASAD> der-landgraf: Which social media you are looking for
[05:16] <VISHNU_PRASAD> for whatsapp you can use web.whatsapp.com. Which is safe and its from whatsapp.
[05:17] <VISHNU_PRASAD> better avoid third party things.
[05:20] <Shadowbird123> hey guys, im trying to learn to do all i can with terminal instead of gui and im currently trying to install virtualbox on my ubuntu 16.04 64bit. to start with, im not sure how to search for the right version of it for me.
[05:20] <chowlett> Shadowbird123, no gui?  ubuntu server
[05:20] <Ben64> Shadowbird123: sudo apt-get install virtualbox
[05:21] <Shadowbird123> chowlett: no, i just try to get more advanced user and avoid gui abit.
[05:21] <Guest14934> Hey guys I'm using 16.04, how come when I do "sudo apt-get install cuda" it's "unable to locate package cuda" ?
[05:21] <chowlett> Shadowbird123, understoood.  as Ben64 stated: sudo apt install virtualbox
[05:22] <Shadowbird123> Ben64: oh, so i dont need to find some specific version or anything?
[05:22] <Shadowbird123> ok, ty guys
[05:22] <Ben64> Shadowbird123: use apt-get to install everything
[05:22] <chowlett> or apt install
[05:22] <Ben64> meh, i always forget about apt
[05:22] <Optiprism> Any ideas why apt-get can't locate cuda? Did the name change?
[05:22] <VISHNU_PRASAD> Shadowbird123: you can download it from Oracle as well. I did that
[05:23] <Ben64> ^ that way isn't supported
[05:23] <VISHNU_PRASAD> if you need to do it from cli then you can use apt-get
[05:24] <Shadowbird123> yes, i was checkig some guide for fedora users of installing virtualbox and the guy was explaining that you should search for list of difrent versions and pick the right one for you depending on if you have 64bit and right kernel version etc. but i guess its more simple with apt-get on ubuntu
[05:29] <Shadowbird123> one more question, where do i find the program? doesnt installed programs usually appear at dash menu? i can open it with terminal, but id like to pin shortcut to launcher
[05:31] <Shadowbird123> i see only virtualbox dash plugin at dash menu. will reboot fix it, or is there some other way to do it?
[05:34] <Optiprism> nvm I figured it out
[05:34] <VISHNU_PRASAD> Shadowbird : did you tried the command "virtualbox"
[05:34] <Shadowbird123> yes, it is working
[05:34] <Shadowbird123> so, shoul i always run it from terminal?
[05:34] <Shadowbird123> *should
[05:34] <VISHNU_PRASAD> yes.
[05:35] <Shadowbird123> VISHNU_PRASAD: ah, ok. ty very much!
[05:35] <VISHNU_PRASAD> yw
[05:45] <kevin_33> hi
[05:45] <der-landgraf> hi
[05:45] <kevin_33> quit
[06:18] <gerbilfhcker> hi
[06:18] <gerbilfhcker> i need help sharing a connection
[06:19] <arkli> su
[06:20] <arkli> hello
[06:20] <gerbilfhcker> i assigned a static ip to my interface from my serving pc, enabled ip forwarding from that interface, and forwarded all the packets within range
[06:20] <gerbilfhcker> pls help
[06:22] <Ben64> !ics | gerbilfhcker
[06:23] <gerbilfhcker> Ben64: the server is arch linux, my client is ubuntu. is this an issue??
[06:24] <Ben64> yes, you should be asking arch support
[06:26] <who> hi
[06:27] <Guest71629> I need  a software to capture the screen to mak tutorial videos
[06:27] <Guest71629> in ubuntu 16.04
[06:28] <VISHNU_PRASAD> go for recordmydesktop
[06:28] <VISHNU_PRASAD> apt-get install recordmydesktop
[06:28] <VISHNU_PRASAD> or
[06:28] <VISHNU_PRASAD> apt install recordmydesktop
[06:28] <Guest71629> nybody here
 apt-get install recordmydesktop
[06:29] <Guest71629> hmm.. can i record my voice also simultaneously
 : it record audio as well.
[06:29] <VISHNU_PRASAD> yes.. you can
[06:30] <Guest71629> is it like vokosceen
[06:31] <VISHNU_PRASAD> i never used  vokosceen. No idea..
[06:33] <Guest71629> how can I update my existing wine to latest wine version
[06:34] <auronandace> Guest71629: playonlinux is in the repo, if you use that it will give you access to any wine version you want
[06:34] <ktwo> open a new bottle x)) - how about trying the package manager? If there isnt the newest download directly from winehq.org
[06:35] <Guest71629> @ vishnu How cn i pen recordmy desktop
[06:37] <Guest71629> The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/kilian/f.lux/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kilian/f.lux/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not FoundSome index files failed to downlo
[06:38] <Guest71629> why this messgae pops up
[06:38] <Guest71629> when I use synaptic managr
[06:38] <uruk7> hello can you help me -> ffmpeg -i "input.mp4"* -s '640x360' -b '350k' -ab '90k' -strict experimental "output.mp4" and then the error is ->The encoder 'aac' is experimental but experimental codecs are not enabled, add '-strict -2' if you want to use it
[06:38] <auronandace> Guest71629: ask that ppa maintainer
[06:39] <Guest71629> where I can find him ?
[06:40] <auronandace> Guest71629: the url to the ppa suggests you can contact the maintainer on launchpad
[06:40] <auronandace> !launchpad | Guest71629
[06:51] <raj> has anyone dealt with this problem when running gnome-terminal: Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: Timeout was reached
[06:59] <Ispira> wew, just installed 16.04 and everything is great except the mouse.
[06:59] <Ispira> How can I disable mouse acceleration?
[06:59] <nicole> friends I want to connect to a wireless switch using iwconfig wlan0 key password but it gives me invalid argument how to?
[06:59] <Ispira> pointer speed is at 0 and still if I move my mouse too fast it rockets across all of my monitors faster than anything
[07:09] <ducasse> Ispira: 'man xset' - look at the mouse section.
[07:13] <Ispira> thanks
[07:14] <meet> Can I remove kde from kubuntu and switch to i3 or maybe xfce4?
[07:14] <ducasse> meet: sure, you don't even need to remove kde.
[07:15] <meet> ducasse: Are you talking about choosing the wm on login screen?
[07:15] <ducasse> meet: yes.
[07:19] <meet> ducasse: Sorry, I think I gad some issue with my router, did I miss your message? :/
[07:20] <ducasse> meet: i just confirmed that i was talking about switching at login.
[07:20] <anddam> I have 4 ubuntu hosts at work in LAN, is there a simple approach to have them sharing folders?
[07:21] <anddam> as in "I'm not a sysadmin, I'm an end user"
[07:22] <meet> ok ducasse , but I'd still like to remove kde, will you please help me with that?
[07:22] <anddam> what I'm looking for is something like "sure specify the same domain on all hosts and you're done"
[07:22] <anddam> but I figure that's not the case
[07:23] <ducasse> meet: i'm not familiar with kde, but i assume you just need to remove the plasma-desktop package after installing what you want to switch to.
[07:25] <nicole> friends I want to connect to a wireless switch using iwconfig wlan0 key password but it gives me invalid argument how to?
[07:25] <ducasse> meet: install something else first, though, and then switch to it so you know you have something that works.
[07:27] <ducasse> anddam: do you want one server to serve the others, or will all hosts share folders?
[07:28] <Tin_man> meet, this like might help: http://www.linux.org/threads/converting-between-the-ubuntus.5079/
[07:29] <Tin_man> like  = link
[07:29] <Tin_man> sorry
[07:29] <Tin_man> not awake
[07:32] <Tin_man> meet, have you had your current ubuntu setup a long time with many programs, and data? if not might be more advisable to just install another flavor of ubuntu
[07:34] <meet> Tin_man: Yes, indeed. I've been using it for over a month now and have quite a few programs in it
[07:34] <Tin_man> ok then that link should be the way to go, or one like it..
[07:41] <anddam> ducasse: can you detail both?
[07:41] <anddam> ducasse: this aren't personal machines, these are shared, so the user account will have the same name on each host and ideally each host would access files of same user name on other hosts
[07:42] <anddam> s/this/these
[07:44] <ducasse> anddam: are the userids the same on all machines?
[07:44] <anddam> not sure, but they can be made such
[07:45] <Nilesh_> I just updated to 16.04  with that the mouse seems to be not working....It works on the login page though.. Any Idea?
[07:45] <ducasse> anddam: why not just set up one host to share /home to the other machines? that would give users the same homedir everywhere.
[07:46] <Nilesh_> I tried making EnableOptionROM=false but didnt helped
[07:46] <Nilesh_> in /etc/fwupd.conf
[07:46] <anddam> ducasse: two reasons
[07:47] <anddam> ducasse: 1) the hosts have to be independent of one another, each of them has to work even if the other are powered off
[07:47] <naveen> hii
[07:47] <anddam> ducasse: 2) I don't know how to do that
[07:48] <naveen> hii
[07:49] <ducasse> anddam: to get 1) you would need a distributed file system, that makes it more complicated and i'm not familiar with them. 2) is easy to get with nfs as long as userids are the same on all hosts.
[07:56] <Guest74263> i am using simple screen recorder to captue screen
[07:56] <Guest74263> video output is great but audio is bad
[07:57] <Guest74263> how can I make my audion good quality
[07:57] <Ben64> get better mic
[07:57] <Guest74263>  LOT OF noise
[07:57] <Guest74263> its work fine in windows
[07:57] <Ben64> adjust volume maybe then
[07:57] <Guest74263> but I cannot even understand what iam saying
[07:57] <Guest74263> full of buzz sound
[07:57] <ikonia> lower the gain
[07:57] <Ben64> gain might be too high
[07:58] <Guest74263> gain ??
[07:58] <ikonia> input volume
[07:58] <Guest74263> but video output is excellent
[07:58] <ikonia> "gain"
[07:58] <ikonia> yes, INPUT
[07:58] <Guest74263> there are 3 sourses to choose
[07:59] <ikonia> I've lost interest now, sorry,
[07:59] <Guest74263> alsa, pulse audio and jack
[07:59] <Guest74263> which one i have to choose
[08:00] <Guest74263> can anyone guide me , I am prepairg ubuntu tutorial in y locality
[08:00] <Ben64> look for gain somewhere in your audio settings
[08:01] <wifitroubles> guys i need some urgent help
[08:02] <baizon> !ask | wifitroubles
[08:02] <adac>  /j #nginx
[08:03] <wifitroubles> i have dual boot windows 7 and ubuntu 14.04. wifi signal is really weak on ubuntu but okay on windows.How do i fix this? Relevant output of lspci: 01:00.1 SD Host controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM57765/57785 SDXC/MMC Card Reader (rev 01) 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[08:04] <Nilesh_> mouse seems to not work after ubuntu update to 16.04... any clues?
[08:08] <Nilesh_> It works on login screen though
[08:09] <baizon> Nilesh_: have you tried resetting your de settings?
[08:10] <Nilesh_> No, how ?
[08:10] <baizon> Nilesh_: try creating a new account and login there to see if the mouse works there
[08:11] <Nilesh_> ok
[08:11] <Nilesh_> how to reset he settings though?
[08:13] <Nilesh_> I just checked in different account .. even there the same thing.... but the touch pad works fine
[08:13] <Nilesh_> in all the accounts
[08:14] <Napoelon> Hi, I'm installing U14.04.3 on my MacBook Pro as a forth boot, using rEFInd.  I'm wondering if anyone would be able to answer some questions I have while I do this.
[08:15] <Nilesh_> baizon: ^
[08:15] <Napoelon> My primary concerns are in relation to EFI and partitioning.
[08:15] <Napoelon> rEFInd was able to see my Ubuntu Live disk, and I've booted from its EFI partition.  In the grub menu, I chose to install, rather than try.
[08:15] <Napoelon> My understanding is that is how it needs to be done with EFI?
[08:15] <baizon> Nilesh_: what does the log say?
[08:17] <ducasse> Napoelon: sounds good so far.
[08:17] <Napoelon> ducasse, :)
[08:18] <Napoelon> I'm on the partitioning stage here.  I have a swap partition that is internal to my Mac, so I'm intending to use it.
[08:19] <Napoelon> Normally, I setup a partition that mounts on '/boot' and another partition that mounts on '/'.
[08:19] <ducasse> Napoelon: you don't really need a separate /boot in most cases, unless you intend to use full disk encryption.
[08:19] <Napoelon> Since I'm not concerned with being able have my /home & /var folders portable, I'm wondering if it's actually necessary to have the '/boot' partition at all?
[08:20] <Napoelon> ducasse: I'm not intending to, so ok, I'll skip that.
[08:20] <Napoelon> ducasse: so all I need then is the '/' partition then?
[08:21] <ducasse> Napoelon: yes.
[08:21] <Napoelon> ducasse: :)
[08:21] <ducasse> Napoelon: and possibly swap.
[08:22] <ducasse> Napoelon: (you can always set up a swap file if necessary)
[08:22] <Napoelon> What about the 'Device for boot loader installation' setting?  I have an EFI partition that is internal to the Mac.
[08:22] <Napoelon> ducasse:  I have a SWAP that already exists on the internal drive.
[08:23] <Napoelon> ducasse:  I think the installer will pick that up.
[08:23] <ducasse> Napoelon: i've never shared a swap partition with osx, don't know how that will react when the swap is in a different format after linux has used it.
[08:24] <Napoelon> ducasse:  OSX doesn't use it, but I already have a Ubuntu that is sharing the internal drive, and has a SWAP there already.
[08:25] <ducasse> Napoelon: ah, ok. the installer should see that.
[08:25] <justsomeguy> Napoelon, You may want to be careful about hibernation, though.
[08:25] <Napoelon> ducasse:  yes, I'm fairly confident of that too, based on previous installs
[08:26] <Napoelon> justsomeguy:  This 4th install is going on an external (USB connected) drive.  I don't expect to use hibernation in this use case.
[08:27] <Napoelon> justsomeguy:  I take it that the reason for concern would be in case I hibernate but unplug the actual drive?
[08:28] <justsomeguy> Napoelon, Yes, or if the swap space was shared, overwriting files used for hibernation.
[08:28] <justsomeguy> Napoelon, Sounds like you know what you're doing, though.
[08:28] <Napoelon> justsomeguy:  ic.  I won't be running more than one OS at a time, so I think it will be fine.
[08:29] <Napoelon> I would like rEFInd to be able to detect this installation, without having the grub menu  (actually it would be nice if the grub menu options were available through rEFInd's internal menu system)
[08:30] <Napoelon> I've had limited experience with manually configuring rEFInd, and only on the 1st attempt, I had the menus there.
[08:30] <syeekick> [08:30] <Napoelon> The menu was automatically generated (not by me)
[08:32] <Napoelon> So, how should I set the 'Device for boot loader installation' setting?  In the list I have all the partitions available, including those on the internal drive.  I'll list them below:
[08:32] <ducasse> Napoelon: set it to the efi partition.
[08:36] <Napoelon> \dev\sda
[08:36] <Napoelon> \dev\sda1  (this is the EFI partition)
[08:36] <Napoelon> \dev\sda6  (this is '/' from install #1)
[08:36] <Napoelon> \dev\sdc
[08:37] <Napoelon> \dev\sdc1  (this is a /boot from install #3)
[08:37] <Napoelon> \dev\sdc3  (this is the '/' from install #3)
[08:37] <Napoelon> \dev\sdc2  (This is where I will be installing #4)
[08:37] <ducasse> Napoelon: as i said, set it to the efi partition.
[08:37] <Napoelon> ducasse:  so it should be \dev\sda1?   Is that safe?
[08:37] <Napoelon> ducasse:  It won't overwrite that's already there?
[08:38] <Napoelon> ducasse:  sorry, I'm just really scared I will pork my whole computer.
[08:38] <ducasse> Napoelon: yes.different os's gets separate directories.
[08:38] <Napoelon> ducasse: lol, ok.
[08:39] <Napoelon> ducasse:  what about having multiple Ubuntu installs?  Will they overwrite each other or does grub simply add to existing data?
[08:39] <ducasse> Napoelon: grub should see both ubuntu installs.
[08:40] <Napoelon> ducasse:  awesome.  Ok, I think that's it for the partitioning.  Would you have any other advice?
[08:40] <Napoelon> justsomeguy:  Would you have any other advice?
[08:40] <ducasse> Napoelon: not really :)
[08:40] <Napoelon> ok, I'll be back in a short while.
[08:42] <justsomeguy> Napoelon, Well, I'm drunk and it's 4am... So I shouldn't be giving advice right now.
[08:43] <Napoelon> justsomeguy:  lol, got that!
[08:49] <wifitroubles> so i told my problem a while back but got disconnected
[08:49] <wifitroubles> wifi is workig fine on windows7 but not on ubuntu 14.04 driver: ath9k. please help!!!
[08:54] <wifitroubles> anyone??
[08:55] <Ubuntu-Turkish> slm
[08:55] <Ubuntu-Turkish> kimse var mı?
[08:58] <Napoelon> ducasse:  The install went through ok, but on boot, rEFInd did not see it.  The grub menu I have for my other installs does not include it either.  So I will need to manually add it.
[08:58] <Napoelon> :(
[08:59] <Napoelon> I'll give it another go.  Using the EFI partition helped me understand that part.  I was always worried about overwriting stuff.
[08:59] <Napoelon> <== going to have dinner.  bbl8r
[09:01] <ducasse> Napoelon: just boot to the other ubuntu install and run 'sudo grub-update', that should detect it. if not, make sure os-prober is installed.
[09:15] <mrdunno> ?
[09:15] <mrdunno> q
[09:27] <anddam> ducasse: what about samba?
[09:28] <dylan__> Is there any way to check if my Xorg.conf file is being read at startup?
[09:29] <anddam> dylan__: startup of the system?
[09:29] <dylan__> anddam: but how do I know that it's actually reading the changes that I made?
[09:30] <jatt> check the Xorg.0.log file
[09:30] <anddam> dylan__:I don't know what you're talking about, yet
[09:31] <ducasse> anddam: you will still have the same problem, synching files between the servers.
[09:31] <dylan__> For example, in the Xorg.conf file, I changed DRI to 3. How do I know that this change was actually made?
[09:31] <jatt> check the Xorg.0.log file
[09:31] <dylan__> Where can I find that jatt ?
[09:32] <jatt> in /var/log
[09:32] <anddam> ducasse: it's not as much a syncing issue (altho' a centralized share would be nice) as much as accessing other data, the hosts are each running the same programs but producing different results, so one host need to access others
[09:33] <anddam> ducasse: now that I think of it I'd need a centralized ro fs, and then each host accessing a path on the other ones
[09:33] <dylan__> jatt: ah, I see. It is reading the changes
[09:33] <dylan__> jatt: thanks :)
[09:33] <ducasse> anddam: nfs is better suited if all the hosts are ubuntu.
[09:34] <ducasse> anddam: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[09:34] <anddam> they are, will check how to share and automount an NFS volume
[09:34] <anddam> ah thanks
[09:34] <jatt> 👍
[09:34] <dylan__> jatt: are you familiar with Xorg?
[09:35] <jatt> not really, it works for me without issues
[09:35] <dylan__> Do you happen to know somebody in this chat with experience in it? I'd like to ask them a few questions
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> !xorg | dylan__
[09:36] <jatt> there is #xorg
[09:36] <dylan__> I'll try going there, thanks.
[09:36] <jatt> you are welcome
[09:40] <dylan__> Is there a big difference between 16.04 and 15.10? As in, is there any reason I shouldn't use 15.10 if 16.04 is failing me?
[09:40] <Ben64> 15.10 will lose support in less than a month
[09:40] <bekks> !15.10 | dylan__
[09:41] <bekks> dylan__: If 16.04 is failing for you, you can still use 14.04 until 2019.
[09:41] <Ben64> or explain the issue with 16.04 and maybe someone can help
[09:41] <user1_> #youtube-viewer
[09:42] <dylan__> Ben64: I've had to explain my problem around 4 times already and it's a very long and irritating issue to explain
[09:42] <user1_> ?youtube-viewer
[09:42] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  then post it on a forum
[09:42] <Nate_> dylan, don't be a nigger.
[09:43] <dylan__> I don't think I have to, I'm talking in #xorg to find a possible fix
[09:43] <jatt> jesus christ
[09:43] <bekks> dylan__: It is a very easy issue. Videos at full screen in 720p resolution are stuttering for you.
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> Nate_: keep it polite please
[09:43] <dylan__> But if that doesn't work, I wanted to see if going back to a lower version would help
[09:43] <MonkeyDust> hi lotuspsychje
[09:43] <Ben64> dylan__: who knows, still don't know the problem
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> hey MonkeyDust :p
[09:44] <dylan__> Long story short, according to ikonia (he is probably sleeping) Xorg is only using my CPU for displaying videos
[09:44] <dylan__> Thus, whenever a video loaded I was at 100% CPU usage the whole time
[09:44] <user1_> !youtube-viewer
[09:44] <user1_> what happened to bot?
[09:44] <MonkeyDust> user1_  what are you trying to do
[09:45] <bekks> user1_: Whats the actual issue you are facing?
[09:45] <Nate_> You're not to bright are you dylan?
[09:45] <MonkeyDust> Nate_  stop
[09:45] <dylan__> Nate_: I'm not sure where this is coming from
[09:45] <Ben64> dylan__: ignore that
[09:45] <bekks> dylan__: Just ignore him.
[09:45] <TheSilentLink> anyone know how to remove the ubuntu-mate grub theme?
[09:46] <user1_> MonkeyDust, Nate_ youtube-viewer does not show thumbnaail when url is pasted. directly starts playing. so cant view comments
[09:46] <Ben64> user1_: there is no package called youtube-viewer in ubuntu
[09:47] <Ben64> dylan__: so i took a skim through the logs, looks like you're running on an intel igpu and have problems maybe with video acceleration
[09:48] <user1_> Ben64, gtk youtube viewer
[09:48] <dylan__> I'm not sure what my problem is anymore
[09:50] <Nate_> I know what your problem is, but there's nothing anyone here can do about it.
[09:50] <dylan__> Tell me then, what is it?
[09:50] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  Nate_ is a troll, ignore her
[09:50] <Nate_> :(
[09:53] <user1_> is there anyway to mask wget?
[09:53] <Felishia> is ubuntu debian in the base or something?
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu
[09:53] <Felishia> or they are different...?
[09:53] <Felishia> I mean using them from a raw console
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> !debian | Felishia
[09:53] <Felishia> what's the difference...
[09:53] <MonkeyDust> Felishia  if they were the same, there wouldnt be need for a different name
[09:54] <Felishia> I'm taking about the roots...
[09:54] <Felishia> networking, kernel, etc...
[09:55] <user1_> Felishia, what do you mean by root?
[09:55] <Felishia> I know that ubuntu has pretty different managers, but does it handle raw things differently, eg... internal network interfaces, sysctl, alsa...
[09:55] <Felishia> I'm using both debian an ubuntu
[09:55] <MonkeyDust> Felishia  that's for #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:56] <user1_> Felishia, some commands are named different. all ubuntu packages are debian they are all same.
[09:56] <Felishia> I'm using a simple sysctl configuration to get rid of ipv6 connections, it's basically the 3 recommended lines, in ubuntu it works, in debian, the networking interfaces die...
[09:57] <Ben64> Felishia: so ask #debian ?
[09:57] <Felishia> they don't know
[09:57] <jatt> ask in #linux
[09:57] <user1_> Felishia, what the error? pastebin
[09:57] <jatt> no no she is using debian
[09:58] <Felishia> there's no error, the network dies... no error messages, nothing at all... only a strange warning that makes little sense
[09:58] <Felishia> in ubuntu it works like charm
[09:58] <MonkeyDust> Felishia  what's the output of    cat /etc/issue
[09:58] <Ben64> then doesn't belong in this channel
[09:59] <Felishia> I'm asking if they are too different so that even the way network interfaces are linked via systl are not compatible
[09:59] <Felishia> in that way then I'd need to trash debian since I cannot use the same configs
[10:00] <Ben64> this is an ubuntu support channel, you're in the wrong place
[10:00] <Felishia> jatt, I'm using both, at the same time...
[10:01] <Felishia> well anyway the answer seems to be that none knows...
[10:01] <user1_> Felishia, you are not providing any information. there will some in syslog or dmesg. mostly cmd issue.
[10:02] <MonkeyDust> Felishia  maybe someone knows, but the question is not for this channel
[10:02] <Felishia> as I said, there's none but only it says sysctl: The scan_unevictable_pages sysctl/node-interface has been disabled for lack of a legitimate use case.  If you have one, please send an email to linux-mm@kvack.org.
[10:03] <dylan__> Let's give 14.04 a try
[10:07] <neil_> hi, I have something odd here... I booted the 16.04 livecd ... installed openssh-server ... why can't I login to it ... the username 'ubuntu' with no password didn't work.
[10:09] <Ben64> neil_: you have to set a password
[10:11] <neil_> Ben64, ok ... do you know why it isn't loging in ... does ssh not work properly with no password?
[10:12] <MonkeyDust> neil_  do you want to ssh *to* a live session?
[10:12] <neil_> MonkeyDust, yes
[10:12] <jatt> try with ssh -v
[10:12] <Ben64> neil_: right, so set a password
[10:17] <neil_> Ben64, jatt, It seems that ssh doesn't even try contacting the server if you don't give it a password.
[10:17] <jatt> that's impossible
[10:17] <Ben64> indeed
[10:17] <neil_> Ben64, jatt, so that seems to explain that.
[10:18] <Ben64> you wouldn't get a password prompt if it didn't contact
[10:19] <ikonia> there is a setting allow blank passwords
[10:19] <ikonia> I don't believe that is enabled by default
[10:19] <ikonia> PermitEmptyPasswords
[10:19] <ikonia> thats the setting
[10:19] <LordCrimson> hi, anyone. I'm experiencing nasty problem with my 16.04. Every time after waking up from sleep mode wi-fi is turned off
[10:19] <ikonia> LordCrimson: broadcom wifi ?
[10:20] <LordCrimson> supposedly
[10:20] <LordCrimson> one moment
[10:20] <ikonia> no, "yes or no"
[10:20] <LordCrimson> yep
[10:20] <ikonia> unlucky then
[10:20] <EriC^^> why so?
[10:20] <ikonia> there is a chipset where the wakup event doesn't work with the module
[10:21] <TheSilentLink> anyone know how to remove the ubuntu-mate grub theme??
[10:21] <EriC^^> can he manually reload it?
[10:21] <ikonia> EriC^^: I think the module reloads as I recall, but network manager doesn't then refresh as it's not aware the card has "gone"
[10:21] <ikonia> I'm working from memory so don't have the details
[10:22] <EriC^^> ikonia: can he run some command to get it working? maybe add that in /etc/pm/sleep.d ?
[10:22] <LordCrimson> Gnome3 turns 'airplane mode' after resuming
[10:22] <LordCrimson> hm
[10:23] <ikonia> EriC^^: I don't know, not looked into it in huge detail as I don't have a broadcom chipset, but maybe, thats a good suggestion
[10:23] <ikonia> EriC^^: I'd guess a stop/start of the network stack as a whole would force it to come back to life,
[10:23] <MonkeyDust> TheSilentLink  use Synaptic, filter on 'mate'
[10:24] <EriC^^> LordCrimson: try sudo service network-manager restart after resuming
[10:24] <TheSilentLink> MonkeyDust: If I remove the package it is remove mate desktop and core
[10:25] <LordCrimson> Eric^^, thank you, I'll try
[10:26] <EriC^^> LordCrimson: if it works you can add it in /etc/pm/sleep.d so it runs by itself when resuming
[10:26] <mrdunno> thesilentlink: What of Package you try to remove?
[10:27] <jatt> use --force-depends of dpkg
[10:27] <EriC^^> LordCrimson: sudo service networking restart is worth a shot as well
[10:27] <LordCrimson> ok, let me try
[10:27] <TheSilentLink> mrdunno: grub2-themes-ubuntu-mate cause I want the default grub screen not the themed one but it wants to remove ubuntu-mate-core and desktop
[10:29] <LordCrimson> seems to work, thanks
[10:29] <LordCrimson> networking - does not
[10:29] <EriC^^> LordCrimson: aha
[10:30] <LordCrimson> network-manager - pulls pc off from "airplane mode"
[10:30] <LordCrimson> but throws an error to desktop then :\
[10:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:31] <mrdunno> thesilentlink: hm
[10:32] <TheSilentLink> mrdunno: is a way I can get the default screen without removing the package?
[10:33] <LordCrimson> EriC^^: haha, 'rfkill unblock wifi' was just thing i needed
[10:33] <mrdunno> you can reinstall grub
[10:33] <MonkeyDust> LordCrimson  works now?
[10:34] <LordCrimson> yep. but it's bit kludgy
[10:34] <LordCrimson> finding the reason why wi-fi is blocked is more interesting
[10:34] <mrdunno> thesilentlink: but I dont sure, is reinstall grub is a way
[10:35] <TheSilentLink> mrdunno: how would I reinstall it?
[10:35] <EriC^^> LordCrimson: cool
[10:36] <the_tricky> hello guys
[10:36] <the_tricky> I installed numix and I want to change only dock icons
[10:36] <the_tricky> is that possible?
[10:36] <the_tricky> how do I achieve that?
[10:38] <mrdunno> thesilentlink: apt-get install grub2-themes-default
[10:38] <mrdunno> thesilentlink: also, you can try sudo apt-get install plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> the_tricky  there's unity-tweak-tool
[10:41] <LordCrimson> ok, not very clean solution, but as to http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade
[10:41] <LordCrimson> just changed restarting the service to "rfkill unblock", works like a charm
[10:42] <ikonia> thats interesting so the kill switch functionality is in play
[10:43] <LordCrimson> i'm not very sure, why tradition is to name sending any signal - "kill"
[10:43] <LordCrimson> maybe roots are in medieval europe
[10:46] <ducasse> TheSilentLink: the packages apt is trying to remove are just meta-packages, so you can just remove them. if autoremove wants to remove the dependencies afterwards, just mark them as manually installed with apt-mark.
[10:47] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: o ok so it is fine to remove?
[10:48] <MonkeyDust> TheSilentLink  backup first
[10:48] <ducasse> TheSilentLink: yes, but as i said you might need to mark the dependencies as manually installed afterwards.
[10:48] <LordCrimson> aaaand another question. Sometimes when I'm connecting monitor during "resume" (actually just putting my latitude on the dock with second display), system crashes with caps lock indicator blinking
[10:49] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: o ok removed it and no errors
[10:49] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: will reboot to see if it has changed
[10:49] <ducasse> TheSilentLink: you will probably need to update grub.
[10:50] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: yep I have thanks for helping everyone
[10:50] <ducasse> TheSilentLink: and you might want to try 'sudo apt-get --dry-run autoremove' to see if it wants to remove anything else.
[10:52] <dahlia_> hello
[10:52] <dahlia_> how are you guys ?
[10:53] <dahlia_> i need to create multiple password in login page in ubuntu how can i do that ?
[10:54] <ducasse> dahlia_: you want the same user to be able to log in with either one of several passwords?
[10:56] <dahlia_> ducasse, no i need that a user enter a password and then he enter second password and then third password to login
[10:57] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: worked and I ran the command and it doesn't want to remove anything
[10:57] <ducasse> TheSilentLink: good - everything should be ok now :)
[10:57] <TheSilentLink> ducasse: yep thanks
[10:57] <dahlia_> ducasse, three stages for login
[10:58] <ducasse> dahlia_: not possible, afaik.
[10:59] <dahlia_> ducasse, why ?
[10:59] <ducasse> dahlia_: you would need to write your own pam module.
[10:59] <dahlia_> ducasse, is it possible?
[11:00] <ducasse> dahlia_: i just answered that - you would need to implement it yourself.
[11:00] <dahlia_> ducasse, from where i should start ?
[11:01] <ducasse> dahlia_: or just get a yubikey or something similar, that will give you two-factor authentication.
[11:05] <dahlia_> ducasse, i used  sudo apt-get install yubikey-personalization-gui
[11:05] <dakoroa> Hi
[11:05] <dakoroa> How to install skype in ubuntu 16?
[11:05] <dakoroa> by command line
[11:05] <dakoroa> how do I?
[11:05] <ducasse> dakoroa: that won't help unless you actually own a yubikey
[11:05] <ducasse> dakoroa: sorry, that was for dahlia_
[11:05] <bazhang> !info skype partner
[11:06] <bazhang> !partner | dakoroa
[11:06] <dahlia_> ducasse, how?
[11:06] <ducasse> dahlia_: how what?
[11:07] <dahlia_> ducasse, how can i own that ?
[11:07] <ducasse> dahlia_: buy one :)
[11:08] <MonkeyDust> dakoroa  dahlia_ https://www.yubico.com/start/
[11:09] <dahlia_> MonkeyDust, from where ?
[11:09] <ducasse> dahlia_: then, to log in you will need your password and a one-time password that comes from plugging in and pressing a button on the yubikey.
[11:10] <dahlia_> ducasse, i live at iran how can i buy that ?
[11:11] <ducasse> dahlia_: that might be a problem.
[11:12] <dahlia_> ducasse, what is your idea ?
[11:12] <ducasse> dahlia_: send a mail to yubico and ask them, i really don't know.
[11:13] <ducasse> dahlia_: if you have an android smartphone you could probably use google auth in the same way, but i've never tried that.
[11:14] <dahlia_> ducasse, unfortunetly i dont have android phone
[11:14] <ducasse> dahlia_: then i have no other suggestions.
[11:15] <dahlia_> ducasse, about editing source of ubuntu ?
[11:15] <dahlia_> custom that
[11:15] <ducasse> dahlia_: 'editing source'?
[11:16] <dahlia_> ducasse, it is not possible?
[11:18] <ducasse> dahlia_: you could write your own pam module, but if you don't even know where to start you have a _lot_ to learn first. just check if you can buy a yubikey, it would be far easier.
[11:19] <dahlia_> ducasse, about edit vmlinuz and add script there
[11:19] <ducasse> dahlia_: that's not how it works.
[11:19] <dahlia_> ducasse, at moment i cant buy from Iran
[11:20] <ducasse> dahlia_: as i said, no other suggestions.
[11:20] <dahlia_> ducasse, thanks it seems doesnt exist another way
[11:21] <akik> dahlia_: do you mean yubico doesn't sell to iran or they are forbidden to ship to iran?
[11:22] <dahlia_> akik, it needs master and paypal and methods and doesnt exist in Iran
[11:22] <ducasse> dahlia_: there are things like the nitrokey that use u2f, maybe they don't have the same restriction on selling to iran. try nitrokey.com
[11:23] <ConsciousCreator> Hello fellow Ubuntu'ers!
[11:24] <ConsciousCreator> I am trying to get VNC capability set up on my home server. I have tried in the past by following some guide but failed to get it working properly.
[11:24] <akik> dahlia_: ok so it's just the payment that is problematic?
[11:24] <ConsciousCreator> Does anyone have any experience in getting VNC working?
[11:24] <MonkeyDust> !vnc | ConsciousCreator start here
[11:25] <ConsciousCreator> Thanks MonkeyDust, I'm having a look at that link now :-)
[11:25] <akik> freenx should be changed to x2go
[11:25] <dahlia_> akik, yes
[11:26] <dahlia_> akik, i dunno what should i do
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> dahlia_  what was your initial question?
[11:29] <dahlia_> MonkeyDust, i need multiplepassword in login page of ubuntu
[11:30] <dahlia_> MonkeyDust, i mean user enter first password and then second password and then third password
[11:31] <ConsciousCreator> MonkeyDust:  I'm following the guide you linked to...I'm stuck on number 2 (firewall)....  I don't know anything about how to work with the firewall to open and close ports.  Do you have any pointers to a good reference on this?
[11:31] <u^p> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnUKI_QkyGY&feature=youtu.be
[11:32] <u^p> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnUKI_QkyGY&feature=youtu.be
[11:32] <Napoelon> ducasse:  I made a small mistake in what I said earlier.  Though rEFInd does not see my new install, the GRUB menu does.  What I didn't realise is that the newest install is the first entry, with the others shuffled down the order.
[11:33] <ducasse> Napoelon: is that a problem?
[11:34] <dylan__> So, after testing, YouTube works fine on Ubuntu 14.04 but not on 16.04
[11:34] <Napoelon> ducasse: no, except that I wanted rEFInd to automatically find it.  But I'll work on the config file now.
[11:35] <Napoelon> ducasse: meaning I wanted rEFInd to show a separate icon for that install.
[11:35] <ducasse> Napoelon: i can't help you with refind, unfortunately. have been meaning to try it, though.
[11:36] <ioria> dylan__, intel ?
[11:36] <dylan__> Yes
[11:37] <Napoelon> ducasse:  I've been using it on my 2014 MacBook Pro which came with Yosemite.  I use Ubuntu @ Uni and got it working relatively easily.  The hard part was getting OSX to allow me to shrink its own partition.
[11:37] <ioria> dylan__,  try to boot a live  16.04 and test it
[11:37] <Napoelon> ducasse: Then, when OSX came out with SIP, I have a few problems, but no with rEFInd.
[11:38] <Napoelon> ducasse:  I haven't tried it with any other computers though.
[11:38] <dylan__> ioria: maybe later. for now I'm done screwing with Ubuntu
[11:38] <akik> dylan__: did you try setting MOZ_USE_OMTC=1 before starting firefox?
[11:38] <ioria> dylan__,  hehe
[11:38] <dylan__> Not on FF, but chrome
[11:39] <dylan__> In the end, I do want to return to 16.04 though
[11:39] <Napoelon> ducasse:  ATM I have OSX and U14 installed on the internal SSD, and U14 Server and U14 on an external hd that is mounted in a cradle.
[11:40] <Napoelon> Everything works really well, I think.  In fact, I think my Mac runs Ubuntu better than OSX
[11:53] <kotl> ä
[11:54] <JustinHitla> from that page: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rlvqt/amd_or_nvidia_for_linux_gaming it says "Ubuntu 15.10 unfortunately requires a PPA in order to get a properly built version of Mesa 11 for gaming", so what is PPA ?
[11:55] <ducasse> !ppa
[11:56] <MonkeyDust> JustinHitla  a ppa is an 'external' software source
[11:56] <Napoelon> !ppA either
[11:58] <Napoelon> Is a PPA that is used with Ubuntu limited to the a Ubuntu distro?  If so, you could see it as 3rd party software/fork/branch etc?
[11:59] <Napoelon> or are PPA's strictly limited to Ubuntu?  What about Debian?
[12:06] <ducasse> Napoelon: ppa's are specific to ubuntu, although debian also has external repos.
[12:06] <codepython7771> how do you configure a ubuntu machine so that it can be powered off without "shutdown" and have no adversarial effect on it?
[12:07] <Napoelon> ducasse: cheers.  I've used them before, but am unsure of the precise details.
[12:08] <jatt> add a cronjob to shut it down
[12:22] <Guest20833> How to remove a partition permanently which has been mounted in fstab
[12:22] <Guest20833> ??
[12:22] <ikonia> unmount it
[12:22] <Guest20833> after that
[12:22] <Guest20833> ?
[12:23] <ikonia> what do you mean after that ?
[12:23] <ikonia> what are you trying to do exactly
[12:23] <Guest20833> That would still comsume memory I think>
[12:23] <Guest20833> ??
[12:24] <ikonia> what ??
[12:24] <ikonia> a disk consume memory ??
[12:24] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[12:24] <ikonia> what are you trying to do exactly
[12:25] <brutser> hi all, i have openvpn server that has some windows clients, all is working fine. now i recently added an ubuntu client, configured the openvpn for this client, i can connect, but the traffic is not routed through the vpn server - i can ping the server, but all internet traffic is just using the local internet, not the vpn - what can be the reason? are routes not properly set?
[12:25] <Guest20833> Actually I unmounted it but then blkid should not show its entry but it still is present there. do you agree?
[12:25] <Guest20833> ikonia
[12:25] <ikonia> Guest20833: blkid is just an identifier for a disk device
[12:26] <ikonia> unmounting it does not delete/destroy it, it just stops the machine accessing the file system
[12:26] <ikonia> brutser: look at the routing table, specfically your default route
[12:26] <ikonia> brutser: also look at the client settings for routing
[12:26] <Guest20833> I know. Then from where does blkid fetch info ??
[12:26] <Guest20833> ikonia
[12:26] <brutser> ikonia, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/LtVtBEPy and http://pastebin.com/Jhgt7Eb7
[12:27] <brutser> both output is from the ubuntu client
[12:27] <ikonia> Guest20833: from the device identifier
[12:27] <ikonia> brutser: I don't need to see it, I told you to look at it
[12:27] <ikonia> Guest20833: what is your actual problem
[12:28] <brutser> ikonia: well i looked at it since yesterday, but i cannot figure out, it seems the gateway is set to 10.1.0.1 and this should work
[12:28] <brutser> this is the vpn server
[12:29] <brutser> i use the same config on the windows clients and they work ok
[12:29] <ikonia> brutser: so traceroute the traffic
[12:29] <Guest20833> Actually, I created a logical vol. and mounted on a custom directory and when I restarted the system that got me in trouble : the system did not boot as usual and some problem occured
[12:30] <ikonia> Guest20833: still waiting for you to explain the problem
[12:32] <brutser> ikonia: traceroute first line shows 10.1.0.1 - still my ip in browser is my local internet ip
[12:32] <Guest20833> I don't know the exact reason but what I did in creating it was firstly creating a partition then making phy. vol and then a vg followed by a lv
[12:32] <Guest20833> * making partition a phy. vol
[12:32] <Tobias92> My postgresql-log says "could not receive data from client: Connection reset by peer" every time I try to connect from a remote server, but the connection appears to work just fine. Is there something else going on here?
[12:33] <ikonia> Guest20833: you're not explaining the problem
[12:33] <ikonia> Guest20833: you're just saying "it causes problems"
[12:33] <ikonia> brutser: how are you checking this ?
[12:34] <Tobias92> to be precise, I'm connecting using the psql command-line client, and the error appears before the password prompt is completed
[12:35] <AndyWojo> is mir functional yet as a daily driver?
[12:35] <ikonia> nope
[12:35] <Guest20833> ikonia : Actually, I know that problem was due to some misconfigured step in that lv creation and I want you to check what that step was
[12:35] <Guest20833> ikonia : that's why I am explaining all this
[12:35] <ikonia> Guest20833: you've not told me the problem, you've not told me the steps you did, you just keep saying "problems"
[12:35] <ikonia> just state the problem
[12:39] <Guest20833> After the restart, grub executed normally but after that the system went on tty1 (GUI did not loaded) and that prompted me as : Give root password for maintenance (Control + D to continue)
[12:39] <Guest20833> ikonia
[12:39] <ikonia> so what does this have to do with a disk ?
[12:43] <Guest20833> ikonia : Oh god! I followed some troubleshooting steps (that I learned from my Linux training) and the problem was solved when I unmounted that partition. Now would you please check those steps I mentioned that may have caused an error!
[12:43] <ikonia> you've not mentioned any steps
[12:44] <Guest20833> I think you are not in a mood to solve it. Can't you simply say that you don't want to
[12:45] <ikonia> you've not giving any info
[12:45] <ikonia> provide the info and I'm happy to help
[12:48] <ducasse> Guest20833: an actual error message would be helpful.
[12:48] <Guest20833> After the restart, grub executed normally but after that the system went on tty1 (GUI did not loaded) and that prompted me as : Give root password for maintenance (Control + D to continue)
[12:51] <Guest20833> It also mentioned : Welcome to emergency mode! And some command to recover journal
[12:51] <riqj> hello everyone, the wifi hotspot that I am using cuts off after a while, due to some sort of per-device usage quota. I think it recognizes the device by tracking mac address. is there a way to alter this address? would macchanger help here?
[12:52] <ikonia> riqj: no
[12:52] <ikonia> riqj: you should use the wifi in line with the terms and conditions of the service you are using
[12:52] <ikonia> riqj: talk to the network admin if you want an extension to the service
[12:53] <riqj> ikonia, maybe I should talk to you, as you are so eager to defend them, without knowing what is ethical in this context and what is not
[12:53] <Guest20833> Well do you know if it is incorrect to mount a partition to some directory in home (I'm not sure about if that may be the one)??
[12:55] <Guest20833> Or if i created a (vg -> vl) in some partition and mounted that partition instead of the vol in fstab then what would that cause?
[12:55] <Guest20833> Some error?
[12:55] <tatertots> good deal guest20833
[12:56] <rysc> hello ubuntu
[12:56] <rysc> is there a way to fix file system loops? i accidentally created symbolic links in those folders to which the links are pointing at
[12:56] <akik> Guest20833: use the lv name in fstab, the same that you mounted
[12:57] <Guest20833> Are you sure if that will definitely cause an error?
[12:58] <akik> Guest20833: you can mount the lv inside your home into a empty directory
[12:58] <tatertots> riqj do you own the hotspot in question?
[12:58] <Guest20833> Or if I placed an entry in fstab for a partition to a <mount point> that did not exist. Then what would be consequences?
[12:58] <tatertots> yes/no?
[12:58] <akik> Guest20833: of course the mount point needs to exist before the mount is successful
[12:58] <riqj> tatertots, no
[12:59] <ducasse> riqj: then use it as the owner intends or get your own.
[12:59] <Guest20833> If it doesn't then?
[12:59] <Guest20833> akik
[12:59] <BleuBizarre> Hello !
[12:59] <riqj> thank you preachers.
[13:00] <tatertots> if you don't own the hotspot, maybe you can talk the hotspot owner into extending your usage
[13:00] <tatertots> just ask nicely
[13:00] <tatertots> and bat your eyes
[13:00] <riqj> I am wondering if whether the mac address can be spoofed in this way. why do you get so ethical about some telco gimmick? what has become of here?
[13:01] <Guest20833> tatertots : Do you know how to place a quota for network usage (Bytes or time) by different users in linux?
[13:02] <Guest20833> * for different users
[13:02] <BleuBizarre> If we got a problem that has several subjects (Bios,Grub Rescue) which channel is the most fitter?
[13:02] <BleuBizarre> fitted*
[13:02] <nachtvos> is anyone familiar with fbi, the frameimage buffer?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> BleuBizarre, depends if they're on ubuntu
[13:03] <nachtvos> I am opening images but I also want to close them, can't find any documentation related
[13:03] <BleuBizarre> They are on ubuntu for sure
[13:04] <BluesKaj> BleuBizarre, then ask your questions and if someone knows the answer(s) then they'll probly help
[13:04] <Guest20833> nachtvos : Its used for bitmapping from memory to display
[13:05] <cristian_c> hello
[13:06] <nachtvos> alright, is there anyway to close a opened image, through the command line?
[13:06] <BleuBizarre> My problem is : I have a laptop with a bios not working well (if i ask it, i'll recieve a black screen and will be blocked, so I can't boot on a USB), and when I tried to do a dual boot with Ubuntu/Win10 everything went bad > I'm now in the grub rescue and I don't have the boot folder in one of my partition. I cannot understand what to do. I would like to be able to use my laptop and I don't
[13:06] <BleuBizarre> care about loosing data nor about which OS will have to go.
[13:06] <cristian_c> what channel should I enter in order to talk about how to apply kernel patches?
[13:07] <jatt> lkml
[13:07] <BleuBizarre> My hierarchy of the only available partition is there : http://askubuntu.com/questions/541402/gnu-grub-version-2-02-beta-2-9-while-booting-from-usb/791145?noredirect=1#comment1189592_791145 ( comment of iBlue )
[13:07] <cristian_c> jatt: irc channel?
[13:08] <ducasse> cristian_c: try ##linux
[13:08] <cristian_c> ok
[13:08] <jatt> #kernel
[13:08] <cristian_c> ok
[13:08] <jatt> or #linux-kernel
[13:09] <BleuBizarre> thanks
[13:20] <lucas_arg> whats recommended video driver for gtx950m?
[13:28] <tatertots> lucas there really isn't a one size fits all answer to that, since some might want a system free of proprietary drivers and some other might not mind proprietary drivers on their system
[13:32] <DUKENUKEM> hi, i changed my xfce4 session to not immediately start xfwm4 because i was trying to get xfce4 integrated with awesomewm. which file do I have to edit to bring back the default xfce4 settings? when i start X presumably no window manager is running, and if i start a terminal, the window cannot grab focus so I cannot start the windowmanager
[13:32] <DUKENUKEM> originally i just removed the "xfwm4" in the sessions&startup portion of settings
[13:39] <hero_biz> hi
[13:39] <tatertots> hi hero
[13:39] <hero_biz> :)
[13:40] <hero_biz> guys, I want to keep my linux installation clean when I build several packages.
[13:40] <hero_biz> when I use prefix to send all newly built applications to ~/bin
[13:40] <hero_biz> and I keep their man pages in ~/man
[13:41] <hero_biz> then I can delete them easily whenever I want.
[13:41] <hero_biz> I want to know if is there any way to create a folder like ~/etc too for my application config files?
[13:41] <tatertots> a clean system is a happy system :)
[13:41] <hero_biz> ya...
[13:42]  * hero_biz ignores packages that I needed to install in order to build
[13:42] <jeffreylevesque> i'm running ubuntu 14.04 in a docker container
[13:42] <jeffreylevesque> I'm getting - ERROR: version of /sbin/initctl too old
[13:43] <hero_biz> If possible,I like to have a ~/etc too, which all files will be avilavle in /etc too, in a short link way....
[13:43] <jeffreylevesque> what does that mean - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning/issues/2153#issuecomment-228601358?
[13:43] <hero_biz> any suggestion?
[13:43] <jeffreylevesque> can i install a (missing) package to fix this?
[13:43] <ikonia> hero_biz: do exactly what you just sad to do
[13:43] <ikonia> said
[13:44] <akik> hero_biz: if you set --prefix to your home dir, it should do it. there's also --sysconfdir
[13:45] <hero_biz> yea,I can place them there. but I wonder how I can add that folder to system known folders too.
[13:45] <Guest20833> Hey, how do i watch output from a scheduled job on any terminal or tty ?
[13:45] <ikonia> known system folders
[13:45] <ikonia> what ?
[13:45] <hero_biz> for example I added ~/man with export MAN_PATH=:~$HOM/man"
[13:45] <ikonia> hero_biz: what's the actual problem here ?
[13:46] <akik> hero_biz: there's no such thing as having ~/etc as some kind of "system known folder"
[13:46] <hero_biz> @ikonia: I like to have a ~/etc folder, and when my cusom build apllication look for their config file in /etc, they automatically search ~/etc too
[13:46] <ikonia> hero_biz: thats not how it works
[13:47] <ikonia> hero_biz: when you compile with --sysconfdir=/somewhere
[13:47] <ikonia> hero_biz: your app wil look in /somehwere
[13:47] <ikonia> it's that simple
[13:47] <hero_biz> oh.
[13:47] <hero_biz> <.<
[13:47] <hero_biz> i didn't know that.
[13:48] <hero_biz> great that my previous apps didn't have any configuration files.
[13:48] <hero_biz> <.<
[13:49] <hero_biz> ok,ty for info :)
[13:59] <kus> hi guys is there a reason why apt-get has autoremove but apt doesn't?
[14:00] <tatertots> kus what are you trying to do?
[14:01] <kus> just trying to learn
[14:01] <tatertots> lpi.org
[14:01] <tatertots> http://www.lpi.org
[14:02] <kus> i have no monies though
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kus, apt is a wrpper for apt-get, they're essentially the same
[14:03] <BluesKaj> wrapper
[14:03] <kus> BluesKaj, try sudo apt autoremove it says invalid operation autoremove
[14:04] <kus> nvm it doesn't on xenial
[14:06] <jatt> it works
[14:07] <C_minus> Since installing CUDA toolkit and driver, about half the times I try to boot, my laptop hangs on the "5 dots" screen and goes unresponsive. Other half, it works perfectly. If I boot with the previous kernel version, it never hangs.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> kus, yes,  use apt-get for autoremove and autoclean
[14:07] <kus> jatt it says invalid operation on my aws
[14:07] <jatt> are you on xenial
[14:08] <kus> no the aws is on 14.04
[14:08] <jatt> it works with apt 1.2.12 (amd64)
[14:16] <DingDing> Hey, wha'ts up gang?
[14:19] <dcope> is there any reason why i would be able to list rsync modules but not able to actually push data to it?
[14:19] <dcope> i keep getting "connection refused" when trying to sync, but i can list modules fine
[14:20] <C_minus> Since installing CUDA toolkit and driver, about half the times I try to boot, my laptop hangs on the "5 dots" screen and goes unresponsive. Other half, it works perfectly. If I boot with the previous kernel version, it never hangs.
[14:46] <Zpth0z> Hello. When trying to install Ubuntu, I get the message 'The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code'. Could someone help me with this pls?
[14:48] <Zpth0z> Is anyone here?
[14:49] <daynaskully> {Q} Can someone help me with a fresh install of 14.04LTS where I'm stuck with a resolution of 640x480 with no ability to change it (let alone see any part of the GUI that is off the screen). Motherboard has XGI Technology Inc. (eXtreme Graphics Innovation) Z7/Z9 (XG20 core)
[14:49] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | Zpth0z
[14:51] <daynaskully> also how do i remove this HUGE ass sidebar and screen overlay in ubuntu menus? can i go to a "regular" style menu instead?
[14:53] <mchelen2> daynaskully: might want to use the network installer which is text based
[14:53] <BluesKaj> daynaskully, open a terminal and do:   sudo lshw -c video then copy just the product and vendoe lines and paste them here, that's 2 lines
[14:53] <mchelen2> daynaskully: btw why are you using 14.04 not 16.04?
[14:54] <zompigu> I'm looking at the old initrd.img files in my /boot and I notice that only the most recent one seems to be in a different archive format and all the others only contain a "kernel" folder... I'm pretty sure that there used to be more in the old initrd.img files but is this some sort of clean-up that's only been partially done or something?
[14:54] <Zpth0z> Hello. When trying to install Ubuntu, I get the message 'The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code'. Could someone help me with this pls?
[14:55] <daynaskully> https://paste.ee/p/23O6O for output
[14:56] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: it means your using gpt partition table with legacy mode and you need a bios-boot partition
[14:56] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: are you dual booting? you might need to boot in uefi mode
[14:57] <Zpth0z> Hello, Eric. I've completely formatted my hard drive. I believe I've tried legacy (CBM or w/e) and EFI mode. Neither seem to work. I don't know if I have to change more things in my BIOS - I'm completely clueless in there.
[14:58] <Zpth0z> EriC^^ *
[14:59] <zompigu> oh also, the wird thing is that these old initrd.img files are the exact same size as the most recent one (~30 mb), but the only file in them is ~10 kb
[14:59] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: try efi mode, and choose to erase disk or make a efi partition manually
[14:59] <BluesKaj> daynaskully, here's a tutorial for you card https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/xgiz7z9
[14:59] <BluesKaj> your
[14:59] <daynaskully> that's quite old and I don't have an xorg.conf
[15:02] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, I thought it was already in EFI mode. Do you know why I didn't have this same trouble on my desktop? Because I assume that is EFI too?
[15:03] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: can you use a terminal right now?
[15:04] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, I'm in BIOS atm - I don't know what you mean by terminal. I can boot into the live version of Ubuntu from my SUB stick?
[15:04] <Zpth0z> USB*
[15:04] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: ok, do that
[15:04] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: disable csm legacy in the bios if you haven't already and boot the usb in uefi mode
[15:05] <Zpth0z> CSM is already disabled
[15:05] <BluesKaj> daynaskully, you may need to create an xorg, seems all tuts appear to require one
[15:05] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, laptop boots into USB automatically
[15:06] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: ok, in the live session type ls /sys/firmware/efi
[15:07] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, ok I've done that. It's come up with six options; six in black and two in light-blue.
[15:07] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:08] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, ok I've done that too. It's come up with a good few lines of information.
[15:08] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: check if the disk you're trying to install to has the partitiong as gpt
[15:09] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, yeah it says 'Partition Table: gpt'.
[15:09] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: ok, boot the installer
[15:10] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, ok I will reboot and choose to install Ubuntu.
[15:10] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: you have one disk in the pc?
[15:10] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: no you dont have to
[15:10] <EriC^^> just double click on the install ubuntu icon
[15:10] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, sorry I had already clicked restart
[15:10] <EriC^^> no worries
[15:10] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, it is a USB stick
[15:11] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, good I am inside the installer now.
[15:12] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: how many hdd's do you have?
[15:13] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, just one - it's a 1TB HDD inside my laptop.
[15:13] <knob> ous
[15:13] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: any data on it? if not press on erase disk and install ubuntu
[15:14] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, no data on it - ok I will do.
[15:14] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, holy moly... I didn't get the message
[15:15] <Zpth0z> EriC^^, I've been doing custom partitions - do you think that could have been the issue?
[15:15] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: yeah, with efi you need an efi partition
[15:16] <noobwithaquestio> As my name implies, I'm a new user having some issues getting why GPU to work properly with 16.04LTS. I can get my 750Ti to work fine, but a 980Ti is has given me a plethora of issues. Currently when I boot I get to my disk encryption screen but there's no cursor to type the encryption key. I can boot in and everything is fine in Recovery mode, but anormal boot so far seems impossible.
[15:16] <Zpth0z> EriC^^: I see. I had no idea. So does this method do that automatically?
[15:16] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: yup
[15:19] <noobwithaquestio> Also, I've tried nvidia-361, nvidia-364, and nvidia-367 drivers and the results have so far been the same
[15:23] <Zpth0z> EriC^^: Thank you.
[15:23] <EriC^^> Zpth0z: no problem
[15:24] <BluesKaj> noobwithaquestio, https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/4n9ocj/ubuntu_1604_lts_issues_with_gtx_980_ti_drivers/
[15:25] <noobwithaquestio> BluesKaj, that's mine and it is still unresolved
[15:26] <BluesKaj> noobwithaquestio, did you install the ubuntu-drivers ppa ?
[15:26] <noobwithaquestio> Should be, yes
[15:27] <BluesKaj> did you update your soureces afterwards/
[15:27] <noobwithaquestio> The drivers appear to be working for the most part, but I can't get past my encryption screen unless I boot in to Recovery mode from GRUB
[15:28] <noobwithaquestio> Believe I did, yes
[15:28] <noobwithaquestio> Here's another post where you can kinda track progress. It was under a different sub that offered more help: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/4n9n3z/ubuntu_1604_lts_issues_with_gtx_980_ti_drivers/
[15:29] <BluesKaj> noobwithaquestio, oh, that's a different matter, not an encryption expert , but I've never heard of an encryption screen
[15:29] <boriseto> Is there some kind of ETA when a new kernel arrives in a distro? Currently running 16.04 with the suspend problem that has been reported is due to some bug in the kernel, but I havent seen an update yet, even though it's said it has been fixed.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> boriseto, nvidia driver kernel module problem?
[15:31] <noobwithaquestio> Well Ubuntu has full disk encryption enabled and I used it when I installed. The encryption works fine when I go in via recovery mode. A terminal prompts me for the password and it's fine. However, during a normal boot I get a password screen asking for the key, which is normal, but the resolution/proportions appear to be off (480 vs my monitors 1080 type of deal) and there is no cursor in the bar to type. I also seem to ha
[15:31] <noobwithaquestio> So I'm basically unable to type in the password to unlock the disks
[15:32] <boriseto> BluesKaj: nope, it's with opensource radeon driver.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ok boriseto, I'm on the wrong track ....again :P
[15:33] <boriseto> BluesKaj: it's okay. :)
[15:35] <akik> noobwithaquestio: have you tried disabling the boot screens and using just text mode boot?
[15:37] <LordSeaworth> Anyone haing problerms with docker install and latest ubuntu 16.04?
[15:39] <ducasse> LordSeaworth: are you using the ubuntu packages?
[15:46] <LordSeaworth> ducasse: on a freshly vps i with ubuntu 16.04 i updated then installed docker like the installation page but seems to fail
[15:46] <ikonia> vps + docker = likely to fail
[15:46] <ikonia> LordSeaworth: pastebin the output of uname -a please
[15:46] <LordSeaworth> ikonia. I installed docker in much different vps all no problems
[15:47] <LordSeaworth> this one just has a problem with the device mapper
[15:48] <dylan__> ikonia: hi again :P
[15:49] <LordSeaworth> How do i change the ldevice mapper to something else?
[15:57] <LordSeaworth> Okay, fixed it. and lol saying vps and docker don't work well lol
[15:59] <Tiador> HELLO!
[16:00] <Tiador> Why I see on the lockscreen my password?
[16:01] <Tiador> Anyone here?
[16:01] <nomic> hi
[16:01] <teward> Tiador: patience
[16:01] <dylan__> I'm sorry Ubuntu. It's time to go back to Windows. :(
[16:01] <teward> you aren't going to get instant replies, so have a little patience and wait for someone to reply
[16:02] <tgm4883> dylan__: out of curiosity, why post that?
[16:02] <LordSeaworth> dylan__ lol
[16:03] <Tiador> Hey?
[16:03] <dylan__> tgm4883: why as in what are my motives for posting that? or why leave ubuntu?
[16:03] <tgm4883> motives
[16:03] <BluesKaj> dylan__, is that supposed to be a threat of some kind ...well good luck with windows ;-)
[16:04] <dylan__> I wanted to convey my frustrations with Ubuntu in a friendly way
[16:04] <tgm4883> k
[16:04] <BluesKaj> that's supposed tobe friendly ?
[16:04] <GnomeKris> So, where can I go for help with steam games not opening?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> GnomeKris, #steam?
[16:04] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: well it wasn't unfriendly, but it was definitely off topic
[16:05] <ducasse> GnomeKris: #ubuntu-steam
[16:05] <dylan__> BluesKaj: it's better than swearing a bunch about it
[16:05] <dylan__> but that's off-topic
[16:05] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, it releives the boredom sometimes
[16:05] <GnomeKris> Thanks guys, google wasn't turning up anything.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> dylan__, linux can be difficult at times , that's what's fun about it
[16:07] <dylan__> BluesKaj: I get that. I get that Linux is pretty much go do it yourself, but if I can't even do something as simple as watch a YouTube video...
[16:07] <LordSeaworth> Well i use windows primary and everything server related in linux so the best of the two
[16:07] <akik> dylan__: didn't you manage to fix it by going to 14.04 ?
[16:07] <dylan__> Nope.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> dylan__, on which browser?
[16:08] <dylan__> Chrome, still.
[16:08] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: all browsers
[16:08] <akik> 14:34 < dylan__> So, after testing, YouTube works fine on Ubuntu 14.04 but not on 16.04
[16:08]  * tgm4883 blames a certain potato
[16:08] <Tin_man> lol
[16:08] <dylan__> Fine as in, I can watch it without lag but an occasional stutter
[16:09] <BluesKaj> weird, google-chrome has a builtin flash that used to work well
[16:09] <BluesKaj> dylan__, HTML5 videos or?
[16:09] <dylan__> tgm4883: if by potato you mean my laptop, sure. But that laptop can do everything relatively fine in Windows 10
[16:09] <dylan__> yes BluesKaj, HTML5
[16:09] <noobwithaquestio> OK, so text mode login might help fix my issue, just enter the encryption key in a terminal instead of a GUI. Anyone know how to set login/grub to be text only boot?
[16:09] <tgm4883> dylan__: no I didn't mean your laptop. I mean a certain user
[16:10] <Tin_man> i was following some of this yesterday dylan__ , but had to log off..
[16:10] <BluesKaj> then maybe it's your internet connection if you're on the HD channels there, dylan__
[16:10] <dylan__> ugh
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> !text | noobwithaquestio
[16:11] <noobwithaquestio> Cool, I'll give it a look.
[16:11] <tgm4883> dylan__: what processor was it again?
[16:11] <noobwithaquestio> Will report back with results
[16:11] <dylan__> Intel Celeron N3050
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  not yet available for 16.04 ... https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[16:14] <dylan__> I know, I've seen that link a couple of times before.
[16:15] <dylan__> According to a couple of sources you can trick that installer into thinking you're in 15.10 by changing lines in a config file, I tried that but it did not work.
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  i have intel too, and the same video issues you describe
[16:15] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  i tried that too
[16:15] <tgm4883> dylan__: I know you tried enough stuff already, and I'm just throwing mud at the wall right now, but did you try 16.04 with a 4.6 kernel
[16:16] <dylan__> tgm4883: I'm not sure what you mean with that/how I do that
[16:17] <dylan__> MonkeyDust: could you describe your issue so I know it's the same?
[16:17] <tgm4883> dylan__: you would install the 4.6 kernel from the mainline ppa
[16:18] <tgm4883> The only reason I would even suggest this is that I've got a graphics issue on 16.04 on my intel graphics that is fixed by that kernel
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> dylan__  youtube video stuttering, pc heating up and shutting down
[16:18] <tgm4883> dylan__: and it's likely a very long shot
[16:18] <tgm4883> but actually super easy to test
[16:18] <dylan__> MonkeyDust: mine's only stuttering when watching video, not heating up or shutting down
[16:18] <dylan__> tgm4883: please, I'm open to anything.
[16:19] <tgm4883> dylan__: can you post your 'uname -a'
[16:19] <dylan__> sure
[16:20] <dylan__> Hang on, let me go to this IRC via my laptop instead of on desktop
[16:20] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, the 4.6 fixed my nvidia kernel module upgrade bug , so i installed it on 3 OSs ..runs great  http://www.ubuntumaniac.com/2016/06/how-to-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-463.html
[16:21] <BluesKaj> that's the 4.6.3 ^
[16:21] <MaggiKari> hi
[16:21] <dylan__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17917536/
[16:21] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: oh geez, those instructions kill me
[16:22] <BluesKaj> simple enough tgm4883
[16:23] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: yea, "run this script as root" is simple enough /s
[16:23] <dylan__> tgm4883: I assume you saw my paste? I didn't link your name, so I'm not sure.
[16:23] <tgm4883> dylan__: yea I saw it, give me a minute
[16:23] <dylan__> Alright, thanks
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> BluesKaj  i'll try your tip, too
[16:25] <MonkeyDust> or suggestion, rather
[16:25] <BluesKaj> hey MonkeyDust, no problems here so far
[16:25] <akik> you wouldn't need anything that complicated. it's just three deb packages that you need to install
[16:26] <MonkeyDust> tgm4883  paste this line in a terminal ... wget http://in4serv.com.br/backup/kernel-4.6.3 && sudo chmod +x kernel-4.6.3 && ./kernel-4.6.3
[16:26] <BluesKaj> akik, it's not , the script does all the work
[16:26] <akik> BluesKaj: and the fact that it's not wise to run scripts off internet
[16:27] <tgm4883> MonkeyDust: how about "let's not run random crap off the internet without checking it out first"
[16:27] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[16:28] <BluesKaj> akik, do you think I'd post it if I hadn't tird it first ?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> tried
[16:28] <tgm4883> you're assuming that we trust you ;)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> of course I've only been here foor 10 yrs
[16:29] <MonkeyDust> tgm4883  it's what BluesKaj suggested
[16:29] <akik> BluesKaj: dylan__ is a new user so it's not good to show him bad ways
[16:29] <dylan__> that's true - I'm a noob
[16:30] <BluesKaj> akik, you're entitled to your opinion , it works ok?
[16:30] <tgm4883> akik: to be fair, I wasn't going to show him a good way either. I was going to have him install the yakkety kernel
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> there we go
[16:30] <dylan__> I don't mind if it's the bad way, I just want to watch videos
[16:30] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: the point being we shouldn't be conditioning users that it's OK to run random scripts on the internet
[16:31] <BluesKaj> dylan__, it's not bad , othewrwise I wouldn't post it ...have it on 3 machines
[16:31] <noonwithaquestio> Looks like it's working! Booting in via text mode prompted me for my encryption key, lines of test ran and files where mounted and boom: login page
[16:31] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, it's not random
[16:31] <noonwithaquestio> Might have been a bit of a work around but it's working nonetheless
[16:31] <dylan__> I'll wait untill MonkeyDust gets back with results
[16:32] <noonwithaquestio> Just followed this to update my grub to text mode: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[16:32] <akik> noonwithaquestio: you can make it the default in /etc/default/grub, then run "sudo update-grub"
[16:32] <noonwithaquestio> yep, that's what I did
[16:32] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: you're not getting what I'm saying. Whether this specific script is random or not is beside the point. You're conditioning the user so that the next time they see instructions that say 'run this script' they are more likely to do so without question
[16:32] <noonwithaquestio> I've been working in that file for about a week, lol
[16:33] <noonwithaquestio> previously I had it set to "quiet splash nvidia.drmmodeset=1" or something to that effect
[16:33] <noonwithaquestio> *nvidia-drm.modeset=1
[16:33] <dylan__> tgm4883: regardles of installing scripts without question, could you tell me the steps to installing that kernel?
[16:33] <dylan__> At this point, it can only get better
[16:33] <dylan__> (if you'd be so kind, of course)
[16:34] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, well installing a non default kernel is always risky, depends where you draw the line, some will try and others won't risk it ...that';s all
[16:35] <noonwithaquestio> Here's basically my journey with the 980Ti on 16.04 LTS. It might be usefull for others: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/4n9n3z/ubuntu_1604_lts_issues_with_gtx_980_ti_drivers/
[16:35] <tgm4883> dylan__: I think these steps will get you there. After #4, reboot http://paste.ubuntu.com/17918348/
[16:35] <dylan__> Thanks. I'll get back to you with results/problems
[16:36] <noonwithaquestio> love the OS, but man these drivers have been killing me. Thanks guys
[16:36] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: "noobs" don't know the difference...
[16:37] <noonwithaquestio> Also, I may be upgrading from an Intel i5 4690 to an i7 4690k (mainly for the editing work I do on my Windows drive), think there will be any issues with booting or should the drivers and everything be set and good to go?
[16:37] <teo_> Can someone help me with ubuntu installation problems?
[16:37] <noonwithaquestio> *4790k
[16:37] <ducasse> cd
[16:37] <dylan__> tgm4883: I can't change the references, the file appears to be read-only
[16:38] <tgm4883> dylan__: use sudo
[16:38] <noonwithaquestio> teo_ what's the issue? I just finally got mine working after fighting GPU drivers and the people here are pretty helpful
[16:38] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, a little adventure is a good learning experience and there are enough users in here like you and akik to warn noobs about dangerous territor as you've just ponted out :-0
[16:39] <teo_> So i had windows 10 before and i tried to install it from a usb stick
[16:39] <noonwithaquestio> to edit a file that shows root as the owner use "sudo nano /etc/default/grub" where 'nano' is your text editor (nano opens the file in terminal, gedit is the Ubuntu default notepad) followed by the file directory
[16:39] <teo_> the istallation worked fine but everytime i try to boot it takes me to the gnu grub page
[16:39] <noonwithaquestio> That's what I was using to edit GRUB
[16:39] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: wait, your stance is it's OK for you to condition users to have bad behavior because there are other users that will point out it's bad? 0_o
[16:40] <noonwithaquestio> teo_ maybe its a hardware/driver issue? That's what was killing me. What hardware are you running?
[16:40] <dylan__> tgm4883: alright, kernel is installing
[16:40] <BluesKaj> tgm4883, blah blah blah ..... I'm not condiotioning anyone , you're being pedantic now
[16:41] <tgm4883> BluesKaj: with all due respect, that is exactly what you're doing
[16:42] <teo_> i have an asus x550lb notebook
[16:42] <teo_> intel i7 processor
[16:42] <dylan__> alright, time to reboot
[16:43] <teo_> also i can't seem to be able to connect to the internet
[16:44] <teo_> i've reinstalled it a bunch of times, same problem every time
[16:45] <BluesKaj> ok errands...BBL
[16:45] <noonwithaquestio> teo_:OK, it could possibly be an issue with your wireless cards driver. That happened to me when I tried to use a wireless USB stick once. Upgraded to an internal card that I knew worked.
[16:46] <noonwithaquestio> Look up your wireless card's model and see if it's compatable or if you need to install new drivers
[16:46] <noonwithaquestio> For now can you hard wire the laptop with an ethernet cord?
[16:47] <teo_> no, i don't have that option sadly
[16:47] <teo_> i have another laptop so i can download the drivers here hopefully?
[16:47] <dylan___> It did not like that kernal install
[16:48] <noonwithaquestio> You might nbe able to download the drivers then transfer, but it's likely harder than using a command line
[16:48] <tgm4883> dylan___: heh, ok, what happened
[16:48] <noonwithaquestio> Also, when it fails to boot, what exactly is happening?
[16:48] <dylan___> tgm4883: well, it started up completely fine, I tried loading the youtube video I always test on, and now my system is completely frozen
[16:48] <noonwithaquestio> I have a 980Ti in my desktop and my drivers where going wonky and it wouldn't display beyond a black screen
[16:49] <noonwithaquestio> I see you model Asus has a GT 740M ?
[16:49] <tgm4883> dylan___: hmm, well then it really didn't like that
[16:49] <dylan___> I can move my mouse, but for the rest it's completely unresponsive
[16:49] <noonwithaquestio> I believe processors run pretty well. My i5 ran without issue
[16:49] <teo_> yeah i just found it
[16:50] <teo_> i reinstalled it again and now it took me to the login page instead of the grub boot
[16:50] <tgm4883> dylan___: That one I listed is 4.6.0 and not mainline, so we could try the slightly newer 4.6.3 that BluesKaj had suggested
[16:50] <teo_> still can't connect to the internet
[16:50] <dylan___> I hope I can do that from the recovery menu :P
[16:50] <noonwithaquestio> OK, well it's likely a driver issue with your wireless card
[16:50] <tgm4883> dylan___: you can boot the old kernel from grub
[16:50] <noonwithaquestio> when I was looking for solutions to my issue i was told Linux is a bit behind on wirelss card support
[16:50] <tgm4883> dylan___: in grub, go to advanced and select the latest 4.4 kernel
[16:51] <noonwithaquestio> Do you know the model number?
[16:51] <dylan___> tgm4883: ubuntu, with linux 4.4.0-21-generic?
[16:51] <tgm4883> dylan___: yea
[16:52] <dylan___> Alright, back in the system.
[16:53] <Tin_man> dylan___,  has all this testing been on Chrome? or other browsers also?
[16:53] <dylan___> Firefox & Chrome
[16:53] <dylan___> Mostly on Chrome, though
[16:53] <Tin_man> did you happen to try chromium?
[16:54] <dylan___> Tin_man: yeah, but that was in the very beginning
[16:54] <Tin_man> ok
[16:54] <teo_> no, can i find it using cmd?
[16:54] <dylan___> I assumed that there wouldn't be much difference between Chromium & Chrome, so I only started using Chrome for testing
[16:55] <tgm4883> dylan___: correct
[16:55] <noonwithaquestio> possibly, are you dual booting?
[16:56] <teo_> no, i just have ubuntu now
[16:57] <teo_> ah, i found it
[16:57] <noonwithaquestio> Can you get into the OS? Just wireless isn't working?
[16:58] <dylan___> tgm4883: so, do I just do sudo apt install linux-image-4.6.3?
[16:58] <dylan___> or is it not that easy
[16:58] <teo_> it's actually AR9485 wireless network adapter
[16:59] <noonwithaquestio> OK, next step is to look and see if it has compatability/driver issues with Ubuntu, which it likely does if you can't connect
[16:59] <tgm4883> dylan___: we'll need to download the packages, one sec
[16:59] <noonwithaquestio> Can you plug an ethernet cord from your router to the laptop to get it hardwired for the time being? Should make things easier
[17:00] <teo_> no, i don't have a cable available
[17:03] <tgm4883> dylan___: looking at the script from earlier, that will work
[17:03] <dylan___> Alright, testing that now
[17:04] <whoo> hi
[17:04] <whoo> hi all
[17:04] <Nepo> Hi
[17:04] <whoo> i need a antivirus for ubuntu
[17:04] <whoo> any suggetions
[17:04] <ikonia> whoo: don't think you do
[17:04] <tgm4883> whoo: why do you think you need this?
[17:04] <Nepo> I dont know how I got here
[17:05] <whoo> i am so much care about security
[17:05] <Tin_man> probably mom and dad..
[17:05] <ikonia> then you need to do some research
[17:05] <jatt> sure McAfee for Linux is great
[17:05] <ikonia> because antivirus doesn't work the same on linux
[17:05] <whoo> @ ikonia why
[17:05] <jatt> 😉
[17:06] <ikonia> as I say, do some research if you care about security
[17:06] <Nepo> LuLz
[17:06] <whoo> which ubuntu version is best
[17:06] <ikonia> whoo: depends what you need/want
[17:07] <ikonia> 16.04 is the curent stable, and luckily is an LTS release
[17:07] <whoo> Oh i see
[17:07] <dylan___> tgm4883: 'couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-4.6.3'
[17:07] <jatt> v0.0
[17:07] <ikonia> dylan___: you're back, how did you get on ?
[17:07] <tgm4883> dylan___: you ran the script from earlier?
[17:07] <dylan___> tgm4883: yes, I did
[17:08] <dylan___> ikonia: I'm now trying to install another kernel to see if that works :P
[17:08] <ikonia> dylan___: so the options in xorg didn't improve anything ?
[17:08] <dylan___> ikonia: I tried going to #xorg to see if they could help me with the config, but eventually it just lead into them trying to fix the problem with other options
[17:08] <dylan___> I mean, I did the DRI 3 & tearfree options, and I saw that they were being activated in the log
[17:08] <dylan___> but that also didn't change anything
[17:09] <ikonia> dylan___: I didn't think they would make a differnce, but it was certainly worth looking at
[17:09] <dylan___> ikonia: I also tried going to 14.04, and while the video performance was much better
[17:09] <ikonia> thats interesting
[17:09] <dylan___> I still had a stutter every 10 seconds
[17:10] <dylan___> I mean, I'm not sure
[17:10] <dylan___> I only tested for 10 minutes
[17:10] <noonwithaquestio> A connection would make installing the drivers much easier. No need to try to transfer files, etc. And I'm not very experienced installing from files
[17:10] <tgm4883> dylan___: odd, it shouldn't be searching for a package. You're not trying to install it via 'apt install' are you?
[17:10] <dahlia_> hello
[17:10] <noonwithaquestio> I had a similar issue but was able to hardwire and handle it via command line
[17:11] <dylan___> tgm4883: I am, that's what the command says in the paste
[17:11] <dylan___> "sudo apt install linux-image-4.6.3"
[17:11] <tgm4883> dylan___: ah, ok. So I meant the script that the others posted. One sec
[17:11] <dylan___> tgm4883: Oh, I'm sorry
[17:11] <dahlia_> i get this error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:11] <dahlia_>  when i want to install ddclient what should i do ?
[17:11] <tgm4883> dylan___: these are the commands you should need http://paste.ubuntu.com/17920315/
[17:11] <teo_> i can try plugging the cable that goes into the router to my laptop...
[17:11] <dylan___> tgm4883: Thanks, I'll try that
[17:11] <tgm4883> dylan___: run that from your home dir
[17:12] <noonwithaquestio> Well that would take your router offline, may not work
[17:12] <rbkl> are the utilities controlling special keys such as laptop screen brightness controls the same across all ubuntu flavours?
[17:12] <noonwithaquestio> Nop spare cables?
[17:12] <noonwithaquestio> *no spare
[17:13] <dylan___> ikonia: honestly though, thanks for trying to help me. Shame that nothing worked :(
[17:13] <teo_> no, i'm not in my own house now
[17:13] <ikonia> dylan___: not a problem, there is more that can be done, but it sounds like you're trying something out first, so lets see how that goes
[17:13] <teo_> or for the next month
[17:14] <dahlia_>  when i want to install ddclient what should i do ?
[17:14] <dahlia_> i get this error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:15] <teo_> oh okay i don't know what i did but i managed to make it work
[17:15] <noonwithaquestio> Wireless is working now?
[17:15] <teo_> yes
[17:15] <teo_> for now
[17:15] <teo_> thank you!
[17:15] <noonwithaquestio> Awesome
[17:15] <noonwithaquestio> It should stay for the most part
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> dylan___   FYI: kernel 4.6.3 did not solve my intel video issues ... make sure you can return to your previous kernel
[17:16] <dylan___> MonkeyDust: I see. I'll try anyways
[17:16] <teo_> cheeeeerrs
[17:17] <noonwithaquestio> Anyone here think there'd be any issues with my installation if I upgraded from an i5 4690 to an i7 4790k? Installatiopn should run fine right? Same family of processors and the i5 ran without an issue
[17:18] <dahlia_> i get this error E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:18] <dahlia_>  when i want to install ddclient what should i do ?
[17:18] <MonkeyDust> !find ddclient
[17:19] <OerHeks> dahlia_, update first, perhaps? or close softwarecenter before using the terminal..
[17:20] <dylan___> tgm4883: I did all the commands. I assume now I have to reboot?
[17:20] <tgm4883> yep
[17:20] <Samureus> sorry quick question, what is the best way to go to default theme after installing kubuntu-desktop, any particular dpkg-reconfigure? or should i remove a hidden directory?
[17:21] <tyami> anyone can please help me?my tor browser is not opening.i uninstalled and reinstall but nothing happened
[17:22] <dylan___> tgm4883: booted up fine, it seems
[17:22] <dylan___> test video is still stuttering :(
[17:23] <dylan___> it's different now, though
[17:23] <dylan___> the video plays fine for about 5 seconds, then there's a 1 second freeze and it continues
[17:24] <Tin_man> have you tried any other hd youtube videos?
[17:24] <dylan___> What would the difference be?
[17:25] <Tin_man> you say you keep using the same one over and over for testing, didn't know if another one might offer a stable video..
[17:26] <dylan___> I'll try, but I don't know why it would matter
[17:28] <Tin_man> i don't have hd graphics so i don't know anything about a solution. Mine works fine buts it's an old intel graphics inboard controller..
[17:29] <dylan___> Normal 720p seems to be working fine
[17:30] <dylan___> tgm4883: it seems like you have fixed it
[17:31] <dylan___> I mean, 60 FPS doesn't work, but that's something I can work around
[17:31] <tgm4883> dylan___: 4.6.3 fixes it?
[17:32] <dylan___> Yeah, I think it did
[17:32] <tgm4883> Cool
[17:32] <dylan___> I used to have around 3000/4000 dropped frames with the suttering
[17:32] <dylan___> Now I'm at 22/4000 dropped frames
[17:34] <dylan___> tgm4883: thanks a lot for sticking through with me even though I said that I'd abandon Ubuntu :P
[17:35] <tgm4883> dylan___: yw
[17:35] <akik> dylan___: could you try the following with firefox? "MOZ_USE_OMTC=1 firefox"
[17:35] <dylan___> akik: sure
[17:36] <akik> dylan___: if it makes the videos at all smoother
[17:37] <dylan___> akik: in firefox, the video does not seem to load
[17:38] <akik> dylan___: ok thanks for testing
[17:40] <dylan___> akik: after waiting a while, it did eventually load
[17:40] <akik> dylan___: what do you mean, it buffered the video or what?
[17:40] <Guest77376> trono.di.spade
[17:40] <dylan___> yeah, it was buffering the video for about 5 minutes
[17:41] <dylan___> It started playing (smoothly, it appeared) in 360p, changed it to 720p now
[17:41] <dylan___> I assume I'll have to wait for it to buffer for another 5 minutes :P
[17:44] <dylan___> yeah, it's still not loaded, I'm going to give up on it
[17:46] <akik> dylan___: i'm not sure if these settings are still valid but you might want to try
[17:46] <akik> dylan___: http://en.librehat.com/blog/force-enable-hardware-acceleration-in-firefox-on-linux/
[17:46] <dylan___> akik: it's fine. Chrome appears to be working fine
[17:46] <guillaume__> hi everybody
[17:46] <akik> ok
[17:46] <dylan___> Thanks a lot though
[17:46] <guillaume__> i'm having hard time finding a solution to my problem. I have made a usb persistent from a custom xubuntu for atom cherrytrail and i'd like it to boot straight to the live option but i can't find any solution on the internet
[17:46] <dylan___> also thanks again tgm4883 & ikonia both for your help. I'm going to leave and give the system some testing to see if it truly is fixed and if not, I'll come back to annoy you some more :P
[17:47] <blacpythoz> /close/
[17:49] <wolf262682> Hello, I have a question regarding installation of Ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop.
[17:49] <wolf262682> Anyone out there to help?
[17:49] <dylan___> Just ask your issue, wolf262682
[17:49] <guillaume__> So ? anyone to tell me if that's possible at all ?
[17:50] <wolf262682> I don't have access to a USB stick/flashdrive or CD drive. I am running windows 10 OS.
[17:50] <OerHeks> guillaume__, nope, no solution to boot live iso straight away.
[17:50] <guillaume__> that's amazing
[17:50] <guillaume__> why is that ?
[17:51] <dylan___> wolf262682: and I assume you want to install Ubuntu regardless of those limitations?
[17:51] <OerHeks> guillaume__, why should it? it needs some confirmation about language, keyboard and such
[17:51] <wolf262682> Yes, dylan_. That's the issue
[17:51] <guillaume__> for live persistent it seems illogic
[17:52] <OerHeks> if you find a fix, let us know
[17:52] <dylan___> I doubt you can do that, but it's my time to leave so I'll leave it to the others who can definitely help you.
[17:53] <akik> guillaume__: if you install xubuntu on your usb stick, you can configure it more flexibly
[17:54] <guillaume__> that's what i was thinking about, but it would take more space right ?
[17:54] <wolf262682> I checked this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wubi#Download_Wubi
[17:54] <wolf262682> But the link to download Wubi does not redirect me to the right place
[17:54] <wolf262682> Is it not available for Windows 10?
[17:54] <akik> guillaume__: it will use as much space as you allocate to it
[17:54] <OerHeks> wolf262682, nope, it will not work with windows 10
[17:54] <OerHeks> !wubi
[17:55] <wolf262682> I also tried UnetbootIn but that didn't work either
[17:55] <guillaume__> ok so, how do i launch an install to my usb key ? am i obliged to create another usb key or can i have some kind of install package from my actual ubuntu install ?
[17:56] <dahlia_> i get this error what should i do
[17:56] <dahlia_> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[17:56] <tgm4883> guillaume__: I'd probably just create a USB key with persistance
[17:56] <wolf262682> So is it possible to install ubuntu 16.04 without using a cd or usb or not?
[17:56] <akik> guillaume__: two usb sticks is fine. you can select the target stick during the install
[17:56] <OerHeks> wolf262682, no.
[17:56] <guillaume__> tgm4883: ? i created a usb with persistant but i can't boot straight to live which is what i need/want
[17:57] <wolf262682> Alright, OerHeks I will assume you know what you're talking about and buy a flash drive from a store.
[17:57] <wolf262682> Thanks for the help and have a nice day
[17:57] <guillaume__> akik: hmm i would have liked to avoid that solution, can't we make an install from a ubuntu install ?
[17:57] <OerHeks> wolf262682, or a cd with the minimal iso
[17:57] <madknight> wolf262682, i wouldn't recommend that
[17:57] <dahlia_> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[17:57] <akik> guillaume__: sorry i don't know but this one way
[17:57] <dahlia_> how can i fix this problem ?
[17:57] <Robbster> Hi all, I'm rnuning 16.04 and installed cinnamon and gnome and somewhere along the way things may have gotten, umm, confused.
[17:57] <madknight> wolf262682, even if it would be possible, its saver to have an usb stick / live cd available
[17:57] <wolf262682> madknight, what would you recommend?
[17:58] <OerHeks> guillaume__, you could install from live iso on a 2nd usb
[17:58] <wolf262682> I have one but just not with me right now
[17:58] <wolf262682> Can I use my phone as a USB stick?
[17:59] <akik> wolf262682: yes, with drivedroid
[17:59] <guillaume__> OerHeks: yes that's what we are talking about, i was wondering if we could launch the ubitquity package from an actual ubuntu install so that i don't have to use 2 usb key
[17:59] <Robbster> The symptom I have is that the VLC video stream plays above everything, including menu, all other windows and on all workspaces without the window 'chrome'. I suspect that it may be a window manager thing, but I've no idea how to diagnose...
[17:59] <wolf262682> Alright I will try that out now
[17:59] <wolf262682> Thanks
[17:59] <akik> wolf262682: i mean you can boot the install off the drivedroid on your phone
[18:00] <guillaume__> the solution would be to run a virtual machine with an live iso and install from there on the usb key but i'm gonna use another key. Thanks for the help akik and others
[18:00] <wolf262682> Yes, that's how I read it, thanks again
[18:00] <akik> wolf262682: i think it needs your phone to be rooted, though
[18:01] <gorav> can anyone suggest best coll plugins . for making desktoplook cool
[18:01] <wolf262682> Hmm,, not sure if I should go forward with rooting my phone. It would void the warranty
[18:02] <gorav> can anyone suggest best cool plugins . for making desktoplook cool
[18:02] <gorav> can anyone suggest best coll plugins . for making desktoplook cool
[18:02] <gorav> can anyone suggest best coll plugins . for making desktoplook cool
[18:02] <vm096__> its possible that a fingerprint from remote server change?
[18:03] <jinxi1> how to make software opens instantly?
[18:03] <MonkeyDust> jinxi1  you mean at strartup?
[18:03] <jinxi1> yes
[18:03] <Cuken> I just did a fresh install of Ubuntu Server LTS and I'm unable to get the system to boot into the shell. Everytime I see it show /dev/sda1: clean, 60488/1222992 files, 387506/4882432 blocks
[18:03] <Cuken> I read that you can just cntrl+alt+delete past it, but I see the ubuntu loading image and then the box reboots
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> jinxi1  alt-f2, then type startup ... select startup applications
[18:05] <Cuken> jinxil: I just hit alt+f2 and it let me login . . .
[18:05] <MonkeyDust> jinxi1  click on the dash symbol, then type startup ... select startup applications   <-- correction
[18:05] <OerHeks> ctrl alt F2 <> alt F2
[18:09] <rbkl> Are the utilities that control brightness control keys on notebooks the same across all ubuntu flavours?
[18:09] <vm096__>  its possible that a fingerprint from remote server change?
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> wolf262682: If you have a CD drive then we can do the following. I think you dont have write access over CD from your Win 10. if that is the case then do the below. You need a USB stick, one DVD and DVD drive is required to perform this.
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> 1. Download the UBUNTU ISO and create a bootable USB using that ISO.
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> 2. Also copy the ISO file to the USB/or keep it in any of the windows filesystem.
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> 3. Boot from it. try the Live Ubuntu.
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> 4. Try to burn the CD from the live ubuntu using the ISO which you have. (By defaultu ubuntu 16.04 is not shipped with any CD burning software. You can use "dd" instead.)
[18:11] <VISHNU_PRASAD> 5. once the burning is completed you can boot from the CD and you can use you USB as the hard disk. I mean you have to install the ubuntu on the USB drive. Is this sounds like a plan??? :D
[18:14] <wolf262682> Hello VISHNU_PRASAD, I do not have access to either a USB stick or a CD/DVD drive
[18:14] <wolf262682> Also my phone is not rooted
 : ohkay.. then we are stuck here.. we need to create a bootable USB atleast to do this.
[18:15] <wolf262682> I'll go to a store next to my place and get a USB
[18:15] <wolf262682> Thanks for your input
[18:15] <VISHNU_PRASAD> sure...
[18:22] <slab> hello!!
[18:23] <slab> cant run doom 3
[18:25] <slab> hi gravyv
[18:26] <slab> hi iSlayWyverns
[18:27] <iSlayWyverns> slab, uuuhm hi?
[18:30] <slab> Hello
[18:31] <slab> iSlayWyverns, are you well versed in ubuntu
[18:31] <slab> '
[18:31] <slab> \
[18:31] <slab> ?
[18:31] <MonkeyDust> slab  stop
[18:32] <slab> MonkeyDust, why? i need help
[18:33] <MonkeyDust> slab  then ask a question instead of saying hi to everyone and typing random characters
[18:36] <slab> MonkeyDust, ok well i have a copy of doom 3 i intalled it and everything but when i go to play it it goes to a grey screen
[18:37] <EVGA970> Hello. I'm having trouble with my GPU on 16.04. Steam runs, but the graphical processing is a slideshow. I tried switching the drivers around, but that made things worse. Anyone have any advice?
[18:38] <slab> I get a grey screen when trying to run doom 3!!
[18:39] <ducasse> !patience | slab
[18:39] <slab> ok
[18:43] <mcfdez> Anyone know if is possible to connect two PC that have virualvox with another system inside? I mean, connect this systems one with other
[18:44] <ewqr> hey! i tried installing a program that wasnt in the main repositories, but changed my mind during the instalation process since it wasnt what i wanted. now i fear that i might have unused/outdated or malicious software on my ubuntu installation. would anyone be willing to help me find out if i fu***ed something up?
[18:45] <ewqr> mcfdez, in what regard? networking?
[18:45] <ikonia> ewqr: please don't swear there is no need for it
[18:45] <mcfdez> yes the two PC are in a LAN (in a wifi router)  ewqr
[18:45] <ikonia> ewqr: just let the install finish and remove the package
[18:46] <ewqr> ikonia, was a little more complicatd than that as i aborted the install in the first place and deleted the files i cloned from github
[18:47] <ikonia> ewqr: so then you need to work through the install process, work out what it put where and work out what the install did and undo it
[18:47] <ewqr> mcfdez, if you mean to connect 2 virtual machines, normally each vm should register as a separate device in the network, so no configuration needed
[18:47] <ikonia> you've created a problem as you didn't use the package manager
[18:48] <ewqr> i dont know how to do that as im not familiar with make/apt-get
[18:48] <ikonia> make/apt-get are two very different things
[18:48] <ikonia> what did you install and how did you install it
[18:48] <mcfdez> ewqr, I not want to connect two virtual machines. I want to connect a virtual machine in PC1 with the virtualmachine in PC2
[18:48] <mcfdez> the PC1 and PC2 are two different computers (fisically) in the same LAN (same wifi router)
[18:48] <ewqr> i tried to install the ricin tox-client, for that i installed toxcore
[18:49] <ikonia> ewqr how did you install it
[18:49] <ewqr> mcfdez, how about a vpn connection?
[18:49] <ikonia> mcfdez: you don't need a vpn connection
[18:49] <ikonia> mcfdez: you just need to setup routing on the two private networks the virutal machiens are on on
[18:50] <ikonia> mcfdez: I assume the hosts are on the same network
[18:50] <mcfdez> ikonia, yes the hosts are in the same netwokr
[18:50] <mcfdez> but not know how to do this in vbox
[18:50] <mcfdez> my purpose, I refeer
[18:50] <ewqr> ikonia, i followed this guide for ubuntu https://github.com/irungentoo/toxcore/blob/master/INSTALL.md#build-manually
[18:50] <ikonia> mcfdez: ok, so you just need to setup routing of the two seperate private networks
[18:51] <ikonia> ewqr: then you need to work through that process in reverse, I'm not debugging that mess for you
[18:51] <ikonia> ewqr: if in doubt, just backup your data and do a clean install
[18:51] <ewqr> ikonia, okay, will do that then i guess
[18:52] <mcfdez> ikonia, Yes, I need to connect the guests to each other. Any suggestions ?
[18:52] <ikonia> mcfdez: yes, as I've set, setup routing between the two virtual networks via the hosts
[18:54] <mcfdez> ikonia, Yes I readed this, but not understanded you. What do you mean with setup routing? Where? In the VBox? In the router? In the hosts?
[18:54] <Joad> hi
[18:55] <ikonia> mcfdez: there are multiple ways to route traffic, pick the option for you (normally the host) and then the default route on the guests will just send data between the two networks
[18:59] <TJAJRJBackslashi> hey i think i put lubuntu on a flash drive, but when I boot with i get freeDOS.  Do I not actually have lubuntu on the drive?  Do I have to get to it via FreeDOS?
[19:01] <ikonia> freedos is nothing to do with lubuntu
[19:01] <ikonia> do you mean you have busybox ?
[19:02] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi, i think it's about your machine ... which is ?
[19:02] <TJAJRJBackslashi> asus x55u, currently running windows 10
[19:03] <TJAJRJBackslashi> i was having some trouble getting boot order to work right, so yh i suspect i may not actually be using the drive to boot.
[19:04] <Nate_> Did you turn off boot protection in the bios?
[19:04] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: did you install freedos on your windows system
[19:04] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi, is this ? https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90467851/asus-x55u-sx007d.asp
[19:04] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi, is preinstalled, i guess
[19:04] <TJAJRJBackslashi> yeah turned off boot protection and enabled launch csm (which has something to do with launching an older os? idk)
[19:04] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: did you install freedos on your windows system
[19:05] <TJAJRJBackslashi> i didnt.  wasnt the one to configure os, think it started with windows 8 but not sure.
[19:06] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: have you installed freedos on your system at all
[19:06] <TJAJRJBackslashi> no. save perhaps it being on this drive.
[19:06] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: what do you mean "perhaps it's on this drive"
[19:06] <ikonia> you either installed it - or you didn't
[19:06] <ikonia> I suspect it is booting into ubuntu, failing to boot and dropping back into busybox support
[19:06] <TJAJRJBackslashi> no clue what is on the drive, i did not intentionally install it tho @ikonia
[19:06] <ikonia> please read the text on the screeen and see if it says "busy box"
[19:07] <OerHeks> ikonia, that machine comes with: Operating System	FreeDOS
[19:07] <TJAJRJBackslashi> k let me reboot, few mins, ty for help ikonia and ioria
[19:07] <Nate_> I think I have that same laptop, and I had allot of trouble getting boot anything. I forgot how I fixed the problem though.
[19:07] <OerHeks> ioria +1
[19:07] <ikonia> OerHeks: the device actually comes with freedos installed as a laptop ??
[19:08] <OerHeks> ikonia, yes, never seen that before, i have seen standard linux in the bios , see specs https://www.computeruniverse.net/en/products/90467851/asus-x55u-sx007d.asp
[19:11] <citrix> Hi all
[19:11] <citrix> My Touch pad is not working at all
[19:11] <slab> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH A GREY SCREEN WHEN I LOAD DOOM 3
[19:12] <citrix> what could be the cause? Please help me
[19:12] <citrix> slab, which graphics card you are using?
[19:12] <Nate_> you guys do know which channel you're in right?
[19:12] <citrix> Yes it is ubuntu
[19:13] <OerHeks> slab, grey screen doom 3, sounds like a wine issue
[19:13] <citrix> I am using ubuntu and touch pad won;t work
[19:13] <slab> citrix, Intel® Ivybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2
[19:13] <ikonia> slab: don't type in caps please
[19:13] <Nate_> YEAH DON'T TYPE IN CAPS, OR ELSE!
[19:13] <citrix> slab, Do it starts or not?
[19:14] <citrix> how to debug with touch pad?
[19:14] <slab> it will do it all but screen is grey citrix
[19:15] <citrix> may be you should update graphics driver..
[19:15] <slab> citrix, i dont know how
[19:16] <Zta> Anyone know of any cool and good looking -- even hipster crazy -- presentation tools for Linux?  There's LibreOffice but that's not cool, good looking is limited, and it is definitely not hipster.  I'm talking transitions, zooming, panning...
[19:16] <citrix> slab, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:16] <ikonia> Zta: it's all very bland, your best bet is looking at browser/web based stuff
[19:16] <Zta> Like Blender... but more presentation-minded.
[19:16] <Zta> hm
[19:17] <Zta> It seems the version of LOImpress that's on my Ubuntu 14.04 completely ignores me adding custom animations to a text.
[19:17] <ikonia> Zta: I find it weak in general,
[19:17] <ioria> !info ffdiaporama
[19:18] <hero_biz> guys, I have a strange problem. I'm trying to build an aplication. everything compiles but I get unresolved external symbol error at link time. but strange problem is that I get these errors on functions that surely is availave in system.like pthread or openssl functions.
[19:18] <hero_biz> any idea why?
[19:18] <ioria> Zta, try that, ffdiaproma  http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/beyond-powerpoint-4-linux-presentation-tools/
[19:18] <ikonia> hero_biz: you've just given zero details
[19:19] <ikonia> hero_biz: if you're having problem building apps - talk to the people who maintain the apps about their requirements
[19:19] <hero_biz> a like of error is this for example: usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/libstdc++.a(locale_init.o): In function `std::locale::global(std::locale const&)': (.text._ZNSt6locale6globalERKS_+0x14b): undefined reference to `pthread_mutex_unlock'
[19:19] <ikonia> hero_biz: that would be normally that it expects a different version of the library, or a library built with different options
[19:19] <hero_biz> no,I get link error for inside libraries that is used in application.
[19:20] <ikonia> hero_biz: yes
[19:20] <hero_biz> is it possible for dynamic/static mixture of liraries?
[19:20] <ikonia> what ?
[19:20] <hero_biz> for example I'm trying to build static application,but libraries are dynamic?
[19:21] <ikonia> hero_biz: look at what it's doing, it's trying to build a library and failing against the core libraries it's linking against because there are functions missing from it (differnt version or different config expected)_
[19:21] <pistle> I am trying to figure out host files and don't quite understand what I am supposed to edit. For example I did a test to see if I could block wikipedia.org but when I added that to the /etc/hosts/deny file using mousepad and saved it...it didn't block the domain. The example in the file seemed like that was all I needed to do.
[19:21] <ikonia> hero_biz: static/dynamic doesn't matter
[19:21] <hero_biz> @ikonia: it does not make any libary,it is just using them.
[19:22] <ikonia> hero_biz: right, and it's expecting a different library
[19:22] <Zta> ioria: thanks.
[19:22] <hero_biz> for example it uses boost(that I installed from repo), but I get error in boost like what I posted above.
[19:22] <ioria> Zta, you're welcome
[19:22] <ikonia> hero_biz: right, and I've told you why
[19:22] <Zta> I think I'll just make a drop dead LOImpress show instead...
[19:22] <hero_biz> hm...
[19:23] <pistle> oops sorry it was /etc/hosts.deny     not /etc/hosts/deny
[19:23] <hero_biz> ok,I try to see what I can do about it.
[19:23] <ikonia> hero_biz: nothing
[19:24] <slab> citrix, i removed wine the reinstalled it but i still have a grey screen
[19:24] <ikonia> doom 3 runs native on linux
[19:25] <ikonia> use the native linux port
[19:25] <ikonia> don't use wine
[19:25] <ikonia> slab: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Doom3
[19:28] <ducasse> pistle: you confuse two very different things - hosts.allow/deny has access control lists for clients connecting to servers on your system, while hosts maps ip-addresses to hostnames.
[19:28] <hero_biz> @ikonia: but I'm sure I personally made a mistake somewhere. tool is too famous for having such bugs.
[19:28] <pistle> ducasse: so where should I put for example "wikipedia.org" if I wanted to block that entire domain
[19:28] <pistle> on my own system
[19:29] <ikonia> hero_biz: "tool"
[19:29] <ikonia> hero_biz: it's not a bug
[19:29] <citrix> slab, why you are using wine ?
[19:30] <ducasse> pistle: what you are thinking of is placing something like "0.0.0.0 wikipedia.org' in /etc/hosts, but it doesn't really block it as such.
[19:31] <slab_> someone sold me a copy of doo but it doesn't have .pk4 files i just need to plainly adjust ubuntu to allow it to run correctly
[19:31] <pistle> ducasse: what would that do in that case? and how would I block websites/domains? I also have seen people talk about using host file to block ads so I was just trying to see what I can do with it
[19:31] <ikonia> slab: I don't think you do
[19:31] <CropsUp> Hi guys, why if am I using ps I get "/bin/upstart" than I'm using systemd? (Ubuntu 16.04, xfce and gnome-shell with same problem)
[19:31] <ikonia> slab: you can contact ID and they will give you a link to download the linux versions
[19:32] <jatt> CropsUp: I think some indicators have dependency on upstart. it's safe to remove upstart if you don't want that dependency
[19:32] <jatt> CropsUp: 16.04 works without upstart
[19:32] <slab> ikonia, how much?
[19:33] <ikonia> slab: free if you have a valid product key
[19:33] <ducasse> pistle: it's a way to block ads, that's true, and it will also work for other sites, but if you really want to block a site you need to filter it out in your firewall.
[19:34] <slab> citrix, any ideas?
[19:34] <ikonia> slab: http://ftp.gameaholic.com/pub/mirrors/ftp.idsoftware.com/doom3/source/
[19:34] <ikonia> slab: there you go, it's free any way
[19:34] <CropsUp> jatt how can I run without upstart dependency?
[19:34] <citrix> slab, Follow ikonia
[19:34] <citrix> ;)
[19:34] <jatt> CropsUp: remove upstart with apt
[19:35] <CropsUp> jatt are you sure is it safe without do nothing after it?
[19:35] <pistle> ducasse: sorry for the noobness...but I can't find firewall settings in xubuntu...its not in network page
[19:35] <jatt> CropsUp: I had a similar issue I'm running 16.04 without upstart
[19:36] <slab> ikonia, how does that help?
[19:36] <jatt> CropsUp: when you remove it it will prompt you which packages depend on it
[19:36] <citrix> any ideas with touch pad guys .. it is not at all working , but in the other lubuntu boot it works
[19:36] <ducasse> pistle: install gufw.
[19:36] <ikonia> slab: that allows you to use the native linux version
[19:36] <pistle> thanks
[19:36] <CropsUp> jatt oh, great!
[19:36] <ioria> CropsUp, wait, how did you install 16.04 ?
[19:36] <CropsUp> Thanks for answer!
[19:37] <slab> what do i do with it copy and paste or something ikonia
[19:37] <ikonia> slab: read the link I gave you earlier
[19:37] <CropsUp> ioria, I had been installed with classical wizard (ubuntu-gnome 16.04)
[19:38] <ioria> CropsUp,  and you have a /bin/upstart ?
[19:38] <CropsUp> ioria, yes
[19:38] <slab> ikonia, i read it but i'm a noob and dont know what to do with it
[19:38] <CropsUp> But I'm running on systemd
[19:38] <ikonia> slab: it tells you exactly what to do with it
[19:38] <ioria> CropsUp,  fresh install ?
[19:38] <slab> ikonia, it say it a mirror
[19:38] <pistle> can anyone recommend a "start from zero" tutorial for linux? I am using xubuntu by trial and error...and the tutorials I have seen are a bit too technical
[19:38] <ikonia> slab: yes ?
[19:39] <pistle> I need a kids version I guess
[19:39] <ikonia> pistle: https://help.ubuntu.com
[19:39] <slab> i dont know how to use l;inux i'
[19:39] <ikonia> pistle: that will walk you through pretty much every day to day task and get you moving
[19:39] <ikonia> slab: what is not clear on the link I gave you
[19:39] <CropsUp> CropsUp, It's a clean install from iso, It had done 2 moths ago.
[19:39] <ioria> CropsUp,   can you please    ls /bin/upstart
[19:40] <slab> i opened it but it just gave me a bunch of words i dont know what to do with it
[19:40] <pistle> ikonia: is there a more generic recoomendation to understand the FS and how the terminal works etc? I know the basic commands I have used...but not beyond apt-get and cd and ls etc
[19:40] <ikonia> slab: read the link I gave you
[19:40] <ikonia> slab: actually read what it says
[19:40] <ikonia> pistle: I suggest you first learn how to use it
[19:40] <ikonia> pistle: that will make everything else intuitive and relveant
[19:41] <CropsUp> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17928702/
[19:41] <pistle> ikonia: ok...i just feel stupid and behind when I read guides and they assume things I should know. I can follow directions but often end up feeling like I am just copying what I am told and don't know WHY
[19:41] <ikonia> pistle: dont feel stupid, just use the machine on a day to day basis and use things like the link I gave you, it will all fall into place
[19:41] <pistle> often I do things the same way 3 times and they finally work the 3rd....and I don't know what I could have done wrong
[19:42] <slab_> ikonia,  i still don't know what to do with it
[19:42] <ikonia> slab_: what is not clear on the link I gave you
[19:42] <CropsUp> ioria, I've it on /sbin/upstart
[19:42] <slab_> ikonia, is it instructions or something
[19:42] <ioria> CropsUp,   ok
[19:42] <ikonia> slab_: yes
[19:43] <slab_> it's just a script
[19:43] <ikonia> slab_: you're reading this link ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Doom3
[19:43] <vanessa21> Hello, actually I'm trying to update my ubuntu version and I get an error. ("E:Encountered a section with no Package: header, E:Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_trusty_multiverse_i18n_Translation-en, E:The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.") Could you help with thta please?
[19:43] <CropsUp> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17928832/ this is complete process on tty7
[19:43] <pistle> is there any reason not to change the File manager from Thunar to Nautilus? Can I screw something up doing this? Many searches I do for issues talk about Nautilus instead so I was thinking to swtich
[19:44] <slab> i dont have any pk files just the program in one icon ikonia
[19:44] <ikonia> pistle: it's just personal taste, use what you like best
[19:44] <pistle> thanks
[19:44] <ikonia> slab: right, and I told you if you contact ID with a valid product key, they will give you them
[19:45] <ioria> CropsUp,   cat /etc/issue
[19:45] <pistle> this channel is always helpful and you all are great....I appreciate the volunteering...it's better than paid tech support often and I know you do it for free
[19:45] <ikonia> pistle: you're welcome
[19:46] <vanessa21> is it safe to upgrade from ubuntu 14 to 16 ?
[19:46] <CropsUp> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/17928981/
[19:46] <ikonia> vanessa21: there is no upgrade path at the oment
[19:46] <pistle> I cant imagine ever knowing things well enough to contribute...but maybe some day in 10 years ;)
[19:46] <ikonia> vanessa21: the upgrade path is enabled at 16.04.1
[19:47] <vanessa21> sorry I didn't understand your answer ikonia
[19:47] <Bashing-om> vanessa21: So we are on the same page. clarify " trying to update my ubuntu version " . What release are you on, and this is not a release upgrade ?
[19:47] <vanessa21> how can I check mny verison please ?
[19:47] <ikonia> vanessa21: there is no 14.04 -> 16.04 upgrade path until 16.04.1 is released
[19:47] <ikonia> and 16.04.1 has not been released yet
[19:47] <TJAJRJBackslashi> hi i'm the guy having trouble booting to lubuntu, back with some results.  The text displayed upon booting to FreeDOS makes no mention of busybox, so I'm unsure if it's related to linux.  However, I can repeatedly boot to FreeDOS when the drive is in, but never when it is not, so the flashdrive definitively is linked to this behavior.  I think my version of linux may be bad/having trouble booting correctly and am considerin
[19:47] <ioria> CropsUp,   no idea because you have upstart
[19:48] <CropsUp> ioria, thanks anytime.
[19:48] <ioria> CropsUp,   you're welcome
[19:49] <vanessa21> I am currently in this versionÑ
[19:49] <vanessa21> No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS Release:	14.04 Codename:	trusty
[19:49] <jatt> CropsUp: if you have pstree you can see which process was started by upstart
[19:49] <vanessa21> is it safe to upgrade to 16 ?
[19:49] <pistle> So I added GUFW so I can turn the firewall on...do I need to add any rule to use transmission etc? It says append rules for p2p but doesn't have any explanation. It's ALLOW for outgoing and DENY for incoming still going to allow torrenting?
[19:49] <ikonia> vanessa21: I've just told you, 16.04.1 is not released, so there is no upgrade path yet
[19:49] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | vanessa21
[19:50] <TJAJRJBackslashi> @ikonia any advice? (see above message)
[19:50] <ikonia> TJAJRJBackslashi: no,
[19:50] <pistle> vanessa21: I recently went from 14.04 to 16.04 and I just did a clean install
[19:50] <pistle> you have to reset everything but it's supposedly less likely to break things
[19:50] <vanessa21> what is the advantage of doing so over waiting for 21st july ? pistle
[19:51] <pistle> and the smart people here are telling you that you cannot just upgrade right now...it's not set up yet...you can only do a clean install of the latest
[19:51] <ducasse> vanessa21: the advantage is that you can do it now.
[19:51] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi,  maybe you're hitting the wrong key to access your bios boot order ...
[19:51] <vanessa21> ok and is that difficult to do ?
[19:51] <CropsUp> jatt, I'm looking all de on upstart and upstart-file-br, upstart-dbus-br
[19:51] <k1l_> vanessa21: you could do it now with the online upgrade too. using the developer path. but that is not the supported standard way.
[19:52] <pistle> vanessa21: I am a total noob so I can only tell you what I have read....consensus seems clean install is always better. But if you don't want to do this then you must wait until the release the option to do an upgrade as ikonia  and dicasse said
[19:52] <ozbrk> what is love?
[19:52] <bittin> ozbrk: baby dont hurt me
[19:52] <ozbrk> bittin: don't hurt me
[19:52] <ducasse> vanessa21: if you managed to install 14.04, 16.04 is pretty much the same.
[19:52] <TJAJRJBackslashi> wait when i boot with flashdrive i have to go through bios screen?  I thought i set boot order then it booted automatically with the option i set.  pls forgive my ignorance and ty for the help @ioria
[19:53] <vanessa21> will I lose my files in the 14.04 right ?
[19:53] <vanessa21> as its a clean install
[19:53] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi,  yep
[19:53] <k1l_> vanessa21: on clean install: yes
[19:53] <ducasse> vanessa21: you need to back up your files.
[19:53] <vanessa21> fuck that shit
[19:53] <pistle> vanessa21: I learned the hard way as a noob to not push things...and to wait until things were released and stable. I did a clean install of 16.04 and it was for me better than 14.04 as some small annoying things had improved.
[19:53] <ikonia> vanessa21: do not swear
[19:53] <TJAJRJBackslashi> well rip 30 mins. k trying that.
[19:54] <vanessa21> I am sorry
[19:55] <TJAJRJBackslashi> do i want boot menu or bios setup @ioria?
[19:55] <pistle> vanessa21: take it as an opportunity to clean up your stuff. it helped me a lot to get rid of junk and clean out files. i got a fresh and fast new OS and put my cleaned up data on it...all is better
[19:55] <ozbrk> vanessa21: if you want to perform a ''clean install'' yes I suggest backup all of your files to casettes and casettes to special boxes and those boxes to data tranformed floppy disks which are encrypted and bury them into a scarry shelter which no one could find them but you in any case of nuclear war
[19:55] <ioria> TJAJRJBackslashi,  well, boot device order should be in bios setup
[19:56] <k1l_> ozbrk: stop that trolling in here. thanks
[19:56] <vanessa21> that was pretty rude
[19:56] <ozbrk> ok ok just trying to make some fun :)
[19:56] <ozbrk> no offense sorry
[19:56] <ikonia> vanessa21: apologies, it won't happen again,
[19:57] <k1l_> vanessa21: as already told: you can use the online upgrade now with the developer path. but that is not officially supprted. the official upgrade will be opened end of july.
[19:57] <pistle> ikonia: do I need to add some rule to the gufw for transmission to work or is the default setting ok?
[19:57] <vanessa21> should i buy 2 21 or 23 inches screen ¿
[19:58] <ikonia> pistle: you'll need ports open, they should be documented on the transmission website
[19:58] <ikonia> vanessa21: thats up to you, not something we deal with here
[20:00] <Rawrmonster> I have installed lubuntu on a older laptop but my intel 4965 agn isnt working. The interface shows when i do ifconfig -a but dont see any wifi access points
[20:01] <pistle> ikonia: I don't understand the documentation. Normally without the firewall on transmission works fine. Will turning the firewall on break it until I open those ports?
[20:01] <ikonia> pistle: yes
[20:01] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: maybe missing drivers or dead hardware
[20:01] <vanessa21> i will do a clean install, when I follow the instructions it will offer me to install on top of my ubuntu 14.04 ?
[20:01] <pistle> it's an apple airport extreme and I dont know how to do that as I don't have OSX...its a family router
[20:02] <pistle> vanessa21: yes. I did the recently
[20:02] <ikonia> pistle: the airport extreme has nothing to do with it, the firewall you are talking about earlier is on ubuntu
[20:02] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster:  like mine my intel wifi card is dead on R40 try it with an external wifi adapter
[20:02] <pistle> ikonia: so i open the ports in the firewall settings? not in router settings?
[20:02] <Rawrmonster> Ozbrk was just working in windows and worked on the last fresh install i did
[20:03] <pistle> vanessa I can help you make a USB to install 16.04 if you want...I did it recently and would love to help another newb
[20:03] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: well it is a driver issue then in any cases you need to connect that computer on the internet and try to use ndiswrapper or any new alternaatives of it
[20:03] <vanessa21> and now I am wondering shall i install ubuntu or a different distro...
[20:03] <ikonia> pistle: I don't know your network setup so I can't comment, however teh correct ports will need to be open from your PC to the internet, what's in between that chain is your network
[20:04] <pistle> ikonia: ok thanks...will try to find some clearer documentation
[20:04] <k1l_> vanessa21: ##linux for general linux support then.
[20:04] <pistle> vanessa21: i tried 6 or 7 and stuck with xubuntu as it fit my laptop best....I played with a lot in virtual box too to test them
[20:05] <vanessa21> xubuntu...
[20:05] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: but most of the new hardwares are supported on ubuntu so no worries. Ndiswrapper is a bit old from back in Ubuntu 9.10
[20:05] <vanessa21> interesting
[20:05] <ozbrk> Rawrmonster: I'm not even sure if it will be work today
[20:05] <pistle> i jsut liked the XFCE desktop...and it was stock in xubuntu so it works for me....
[20:06] <pistle> everyone tells you something different about which is "best" but it's so personal...everyone told me to use arch but it was too complicated for me....so I found what worked best for me. I can always change
[20:06] <ozbrk> ok guys I gtg
[20:07] <ozbrk> sorry for trolling again
[20:08] <SchrodingersScat> pistle: it's all user preference, and some people change up things more than others, up to you, freedom, etc.
[20:09] <pistle> SchrodingersScat: yeah I am just not smart enough to do everything manually yet...so its nice to have a sort of easier experience with guis etc. I know some people like doing everything in CL but I am more visual anyway
[20:10] <pistle> I like understanding things of course...but I don't want to have to adjust everything all the time...i am fine with some dumbed down things if it meets my needs
[20:11] <pistle> I see people praise Arch because they say you can "adjust everything to my needs" but I don't have needs yet to adjust every little thing. Maybe that need comes with experience?
[20:11] <pistle> Anyway Xubuntu is working fine for me overall
[20:12] <poseidon> Any suggestions for a good laptop under $1k?
[20:12] <lowryder> poseidon: what sort of things do you want to do on it?
[20:13] <jatt> poseidon: you can get a good one for less than $300
[20:13] <EriC^^> poseidon: http://dealnews.com/c49/Computers/Laptops/
[20:14] <poseidon> lowryder: I'm planning on using it mostly for home use, but also maybe for some work, which would include running VMs and IDEs for writing code
[20:14] <poseidon> Maybe play some low end steam games
[20:14] <Dexx1_> My computer is FUBAR (noob here) -- excessive hard disk activity, out of date system, strange acting mouse/keyboard -- HALP.
[20:15] <bekks> Dexx1_: So which ubuntu are you using?
[20:15] <Dexx1_> bekks: Linux Mint?
[20:15] <bekks> !mint | Dexx1_
[20:15] <Dexx1_> bekks: Disk Usage Analyzer tells me filesystem is 100%, so that's gotta be the problem with excessive disk activity right? THe other thing is, I am getting "404 not found" errors when trying to do a system wide upgrade
[20:16] <poseidon> It's been like 7 years since I've bought a computer.  Is hardwell compatability not really a big issue for ubuntu anymore?
[20:16] <poseidon> I remember NICS and graphics cards used to not work out of the box fairly often
[20:16] <bekks> Dexx1_: Then you need to seek support for Mint in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org, since you arent using Ubuntu.
[20:16] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[20:17] <pistle> poseidon: i'd like to know this too...I am looking at newly used Thinkpads and don't want to have a problem if I buy on ebay etc
[20:17] <OnkelTem> How to start network mangers applet/status icon from command line?
[20:17] <OnkelTem> AwesomeWM here
[20:17] <pistle> also really want to avoid PWM displays
[20:17] <jatt> nm-applet
[20:17] <OnkelTem> jatt: it doesn't do anything.. No icons in the tray
[20:18] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Depends, what release ar you on ?
[20:18] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: 14.04
[20:19] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: I just wonder can I switch WiFi connections in the UI in a "non-standard" WM
[20:19] <jatt> try wicd if nm-applet is not working
[20:19] <jatt> it includes a tray applet too
[20:20] <OnkelTem> jatt: but it doesn't use /etc/NetworkManager/* stuff, right? I mean, it doesn't depend on it and uses its own configs
[20:20] <pistle> is there any way to save a "profile" of what systems settings I have and what apps installed etc to make resetting after a clean install easier? So far I just write down things in a .txt file as I add/change them
[20:21] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Do nort see whay not .. if you stop the present running serve, and start the one you want .. what results ' sudo service network-manager stop ; sudo service network-manager start ' Assuming this is a GUI system with "network-manager" to control the networks .
[20:21] <jatt> right it uses its own configs
[20:22] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: I have no network-manager service. Weird
[20:23] <jatt> NetworkManager
[20:23] <EriC^^> OnkelTem: it's not in tab completion in 14.04
[20:23] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: But caveat; I do not run with WIFI not network-manager . // no network managewr is not wierd on a minimalistic type install . The system then expects "you" to manage networking .
[20:25] <OnkelTem> EriC^^: lol, how did you know I was judging but tab completion? :)
[20:25] <EriC^^> cause it used to happen with me :)
[20:25] <OnkelTem> Seems like I'm not the first one
[20:25] <OnkelTem> hehe
[20:25] <EriC^^> in 16.04 it works btw
[20:26] <OnkelTem> quick q: will stopping network manager end connections?
[20:26] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:26] <Ron___> Guys please help me regarding wifi driver problem
[20:27] <mebuntu> is there any good alternitives to quickly since its not avalible in 16.04
[20:27] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Quick way to know ' apt-cache policy network-manager ' in a pastebin .
[20:27] <Ron___> Hey buddy
[20:27] <Ron___> Please help
[20:28] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: you mean - detecting is it installed? Sure it is, as I switched  WiFi connections by restarting in Plasma :)
[20:28] <Bashing-om> Ron___: Sorry = not = . WIFI is not in my range of experience .
[20:28] <Ron___> Naah
[20:29] <Ron___> wifi connects
[20:29] <jatt> do a systemctl status to check whether NetworkManager service was correctly started
[20:29] <Bashing-om> OnkelTem: Then the 1st directive to stop the service .. and start "should" have been efective .
[20:29] <Ron___> I recently installed 16.04
[20:29] <Ron___> on my lenovo e49
[20:30] <OnkelTem> Bashing-om: yeah, but as EriC^^ noticed - it was missed in the tab completions list, which made me think it's not present there
[20:30] <Bashing-om> jatt: IRT OnkelTem ; we are talking upstart rather than systemd :)
[20:32] <Ron___> Ok thanks at least is it possible for informing me where else could I ask about this OnkelTem OR Bashing-om :)
[20:33] <pistle> is there any way to save a "profile" of what systems settings I have and what apps installed etc to make resetting after a clean install easier? So far I just write down things in a .txt file as I add/change them
[20:34] <Bashing-om> Ron___: Here is fine. just await others here who do know WIFI procedures . No response, re-ask in about 15 minutes or so .
[20:36] <mebuntu> is there anyway to upgrade a package thats discontinued so it will work on a newer version of ubuntu? the package is "quickly" if that helps
[20:36] <EriC^^> pistle: you can save your .dot files in your home dir and get a list of all installed packages with a long command
[20:36] <OnkelTem> jatt, Bashing-om, EriC^^: thanks. Wicd is great!
[20:36] <OnkelTem> never used it before
[20:37] <ikonia> mebuntu: why don't you just tell us what YOU need
[20:37] <jatt> indeed
[20:37] <tgm4883> ikonia: he did?
[20:37] <jatt> usually network manager works, but when it doesn't is a piece of... 😺
[20:37] <mebuntu> i need quickly for 16.04
[20:37] <tgm4883> ikonia: he asked about the package quickly for 16.04
[20:37] <pistle> EriC^^: I am just browsing in Home and even with hidden files visible but don't see anything .dot    are there somewhere specific?
[20:38] <ikonia> ahh the actual package is the name
[20:38] <ikonia> mebuntu: so you want the package for quickly on 16.04 for an earlier version of ubuntu
[20:38] <ikonia> mebuntu: is that right ?
[20:38] <tgm4883> !info quickly trusty
[20:38] <EriC^^> pistle: by dot files i meant hidden files, anything that starts with .
[20:39] <tgm4883> ikonia: looks like it was pulled after 14.04
[20:39] <pistle> ikonia: lol that package name invites a "who's on first" misunderstanding. "I need quickly!"
[20:39] <tgm4883> probably going to have to compile
[20:39] <ikonia> I'd look at why it was discontinued before doing anything
[20:39] <pistle> EriC^^: doh...I am stupid.
[20:39] <EriC^^> pistle: like rsync -av ~/.* /path/to/backup
[20:40] <mebuntu> yes they dont make it for 16.04 but is it possible to still get it
[20:40] <EriC^^> pistle: this is the command to get the installed packages comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
[20:40] <ikonia> mebuntu I'd look at why it no longer exists
[20:40] <pistle> EriC^^: can you just copy those dot files into a folder and paste them in place in a new install?
[20:40] <ikonia> mebuntu: you don't want something thats got security holes in it, not maintained, not compatiable etc etc etc
[20:40] <EriC^^> pistle: you do that command > /path/to/list , then when you want to install them you do xargs -a /path/to/list sudo apt-get -y install
[20:41] <EriC^^> pistle: yeah, if it's the same distro and version it should be ok
[20:41] <pistle> EriC^^: I am struggling with CL paths etc...hard to visualize and I feel always I am going to screw something up. Better for me to put in a visual place
[20:41] <mebuntu> ok i didnt think about that. ive tried to find alternatives to no avail. and i cant find info on why it was discontinued. thank you
[20:42] <ikonia> mebuntu what does it actually do, I've never used it
[20:42] <EriC^^> pistle: maybe upload them to a site or something
[20:42] <ikonia> mebuntu: people don't normally drop packages for no reasons, so it's certainly worth looking into why before trying to make it work
[20:42] <pistle> EriC^^: good idea thanks
[20:42] <crackstore> join #mystore
[20:43] <mebuntu> it simplifys the prosses of creating linux programs. you can make them "quickly" no pun intended
[20:43] <ikonia> it makes linux programs ??
[20:43] <mebuntu> yes
[20:43] <ikonia> what does that mean ?
[20:43] <ikonia> it writes code ?
[20:44] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[20:45] <k1l_> last package was in vivid. maybe the project is dead
[20:45] <mebuntu> its a part gui part code so it is good to learn on
[20:46] <mebuntu> since it seems like "quickly" isnt a option what would you suggest for creating programs in linux
[20:47] <OerHeks> Quickly creates templates, not linux code.
[20:47] <vivid> mebuntu: your favorite text editor and glade
[20:49] <mebuntu>  thanks ill check it out
[20:50] <Langley> Help, I have a very hard time transfering stuff from my Android devices to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 via MTP. It transfers up to 100 MB then fails with "libmtp error: Could not get file from device"
[20:50] <Monstatierchen> my ~/.config/user-dirs.dir is getting edited after each reboot... download dir gets edited from "/mnt/NAS/Downloads" to "$Home/" and others too, any idea why? /mnt/NAS/Downloads is mounted via autofs and it`s working, so far...
[20:52] <mrdunno> Monstatierchen, can u chmod 400 this file?
[20:52] <mrdunno> after modify, try to chmod 400
[20:53] <mrdunno> or, edit /etc/passwd to set other homedir
[20:53] <Monstatierchen> i can chmod this file, no problem...
[20:53] <pistle> is swtiching ubuntu to xfce any different overall to using xubunut? is it just a matter of default apps? Is one noticably heavier if XFCE is used on both?
[20:54] <jatt> no difference
[20:54] <pistle> thanks
[20:54] <jatt> you are welcome
[20:55] <Monstatierchen> mrdunno: i don't want to switch the complete home directory, just downloads, videos and music... the /etc/passwd method isn't suitable for that.
[20:55] <\9> pistle: you can just install xubuntu-desktop and you'll get everything
[20:55] <jatt> exactly
[20:56] <Monstatierchen> mrdunno: i've chmoded 400 the file, now trying with reboot... brb
[20:57] <Monstatierchen_> mrdunno: chmodding the file to 400 didn't help
[20:57] <william-m> hello fellow linux users
[20:58] <pistle> \9: sure I was just curious if xubuntu was lighter or cleaner than ubuntu with that desktop.
[20:58] <william-m> I have a issue with my audio but only when I'm using hdmi
[20:58] <mrdunno> Monstatierchen_, also, you can move downloads, music and videos folder to NAS, and, try to ln -s $HOME/Downloads /mnt/nas/downloads...
[20:59] <mrdunno> xommand is each at every foldee
[21:03] <dylan__> tgm4883: I wanted to confirm that the kernel change is in fact a viable fix, so if anybody else ever has the same issues & specs as me, I'd definitely recommend that. I downloaded a custom theme, some extensions, basically everything I had from before when it was stuttering - all fixed now.
[21:13] <gnarloch> clear
[21:18] <rawrmonster> I was using the program youtube-dl and just wanted to know if there was a way to add a number to the front of the file time so the videos are in order. Its for a playlist
[21:28] <nry_> anyone using M.2 NVMe SSD with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS?
[21:28] <bekks> nry_: What if?
[21:29] <nry_> I am looking for benchmark IOPS, read/write data available.
[21:30] <bekks> I guess you have to do that yourself.
[21:30] <nry_> More specifically, I am was just wondering if anyone might have tried using M.2 NVMe SSD with KVM PCI-e passthrough.
[21:30] <bekks> nry_: Try it, report back please :)
[21:30] <nry_> I am going to try to setup M.2 NVMe SSD passthrough to VM's.
[21:30] <tatertots> nry what problems are you having with using ubuntu on a M.2 ssd?
[21:31] <OerHeks> not ssd, NVMe is the follow up
[21:31] <nry_> no specific problems yet, but I am just starting to dive into it.
[21:31] <nry_> I recently built a new system to play around with M.2 NVMe SSD
[21:31] <tgm4883> exit
[21:31] <bekks> nry_: Basically it is a harddisk, from the point of view of the OS.
[21:31] <bekks> nry_: So just benchmark it.
[21:32] <OerHeks> phoronix got a benchmark suite
[21:32] <nry_> That was my next question...TBH I am more familar with benchmark suites on Windows OS.
[21:33] <nry_> I know "windoz"
[21:33] <tatertots> nry ....what bekks said
[21:33] <bekks> The Moronix benchmark suite isnt even worth the time for downloading it.
[21:33] <tatertots> like NIKE ...just do it
[21:33] <nry_> is phoronix the best for benchmarking on Ubuntu?
[21:33] <jatt> nope
[21:33] <bekks> nry_: Nope.
[21:34] <nry_> I have setup the Heaven benchmark on 15.10 some month ago but that is of course more geared towards testing the graphics performance.
[21:34] <bekks> nry_: Forget those benchmark suites and test yourself.
[21:34] <nry_> right on...
[21:35] <nry_> I will dig in deeper then...
[21:35] <bekks> nry_: Depending on how you arebenchmarking, you will have to keep some basic rules in mind.
[21:35] <nry_> my next step is to try to setup a virtualized environment, more so for the work I am going to be using this new system for.
[21:35] <bekks> nry_: In general, benchmarking with smaller datasets than your RAM will result in benchmarking your RAM, not your harddisks.
[21:36] <nry_> my work involves R+D related to HPC systems for demanding graphical applications.
[21:36] <nry_> Asus Vengeance extreme V mobo
[21:36] <nry_> 3X GTX 980's
[21:36] <nry_> and the m.2
[21:36] <nry_> plus 64gb of DDR4 RAM
[21:37] <nry_> so I finally have a decent enough system to throw some heavy burn in testing at...
[21:37] <tatertots> sounds like fun times nry good luck with your testing
[21:37] <bekks> nry_: As long as your datasets are > 64G then.
[21:37] <nry_> thanks ;-)
[21:37] <raj> can I change the name of gnome-terminal from `raj@raj-arch:~` to something of my choosing? neither `--title` nor `--role` work to change the window name.
[21:39] <nry_> bekks, good idea...I will use some of my own datasets that are engineering physical design based. I appreciate the advice to try to push past the RAM limit to put more of a load onto the storage.
[21:39] <bekks> nry_: Whatever those datasets are, they have to be bigger than your RAM when benchmarking your disks.
[21:39] <nry_> From my experience the very heavy multi-physics physical design applications tend to be very storage IO (read/write) intensive.
[21:40] <Bashing-om> raj: Setting a new host name .. will that meet your needs ? " sysop@1404mini:~$ " .
[21:40] <bekks> nry_: We are talking about disk benchmarking, not "physics stuff workload benchmarking" :)
[21:40] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> Hi everyone
[21:40] <nry_> so maybe Prime95 is a good direction to start with then?
[21:40] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i was wondering if you could help me
[21:41] <bekks> f0xTr0t-qwerty-K: That depends on your specific support issue.
[21:41] <raj> Bashing-om, no don't believe we're talking about the same thing
[21:41] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i am creating a bash script
[21:41] <raj> not looking to change the text at the prompt
[21:41] <raj> I don't want the window name to be tied to it
[21:41] <raj> I want to make it static
[21:41] <nry_> I usually start with Prime95 in the windows environment for burn in testing of new hardware. Already did that since the majority of the design suites I use only run on Windows.
[21:41] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> i was wondering how can I filter my results in bash
[21:42] <Bashing-om> raj: K, than above my pay grade .
[21:42] <nry_> At least as of right now, but I heard that by Q4 of 2016 that Windows apps will run native on Ubuntu.
[21:42] <nry_> Is that true?
[21:42] <k1l_> f0xTr0t-qwerty-K: for general bash help try #bash
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no
[21:42] <nry_> no more need for emulation ie. wine etc?
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no
[21:42] <f0xTr0t-qwerty-K> oh thanks guys :D
[21:42] <nry_> no?
[21:42] <nry_> that is not what I heard.
[21:42] <ikonia> nry_: no, thats not true
[21:42] <OerHeks> if those apps are snappy packages, yes. :-D
[21:43] <nry_> Microsoft open sourced .NET over a year ago.
[21:43] <ikonia> nry_: then why are you asking if it's true if you're not interested in hearing that it's not true
[21:43] <nry_> did they open source DirectX too?
[21:43] <bekks> nry_: No.
[21:43] <tgm4883> nry_: not all windows apps are written in .net
[21:43] <nry_> DirectX was always a main hurdle and one of the main reasons for Wine
[21:43] <ikonia> nry_: no it's not
[21:44] <tgm4883> nry_: despite this being pretty far off topic, can you cite anywhere that you heard this?
[21:44] <tatertots> open source DirectX.........hahaha that'd never happen....that's a huge revenue stream or revenue $tream for them
[21:44] <nry_> It did not make sense to me that Microsoft would allow all Windows apps to suddenly run on Linux.
[21:44] <nry_> Why would people need Windows anymore LoL
[21:44] <nry_> but it would be awesome for it to at least be possible.
[21:44] <ikonia> nry_: it's nothing to do with "allow" they are totally different platforms
[21:44] <k1l_> i think we are too offtopic for this tehcnical support channel now.
[21:44] <\9> the same reason people still need ms office
[21:45] <nry_> ok, right sorry for going off topic.
[21:45] <tatertots> back to ubuntu technical support
[21:45] <nry_> Windows apps forced to run in Linux sounds like a recipe for disaster.
[21:45] <nry_> ;-)
[21:47] <nry_> thanks for the suggesting on benchmarking the M.2 NVMe Samsung 950 PRO
[21:48] <nry_> What is the best tool for observing live performance monitoring on storage in Ubuntu?
[21:48] <nry_> Is there something available via CLI?
[21:49] <nry_> I guess I will go back to Googling.
[21:49] <nry_> thanks!
[21:49] <ikonia> iostat ?
[21:49] <Cuken> Can someone help me figure out why I'm unable to get NZBGET to launch on startup. I'm using ubuntu server 16.04 lts
[21:49] <Cuken> I've tried a init.d and upstart variatn and still cant' get it to run
[21:50] <ikonia> 16.04 doesn't use upstart
[21:50] <Cuken> is there a way for me to troubleshoot the init.d portion not launching?
[21:51] <ikonia> Cuken: there is no init.d - it doesn't use upstart
[21:51] <ikonia> init.d is for legacy
[21:51] <Cuken> what's the other option then
[21:51] <k1l_> Cuken: systemd is used as init now
[21:51] <ikonia> systemd is the init system
[21:51] <Cuken> okay
[21:51] <ron___> !info systemd
[21:51] <Cuken> I have a file in there as well
[21:51] <ron___> !find systemd
[21:52] <ross`> can someone tell me why I can ssh a bridged virtual machine from itself fine but I can't ssh it from a system on the local network?
[21:52] <ross`> What is weird is that it's not a networking issue.. I can connect on port 8080 just fine from other systems
[21:52] <ross`> It just hangs
[21:53] <ron___> systemd for upstart users https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[21:53] <ross`> it doesn't say connection refused, it just hangs.
[21:53] <tatertots> is the port open?
[21:54] <ron___> ross what is the route for the bridged connection?
[21:54] <ikonia> ron___: look at the route
[21:54] <ikonia> and look at the firewall
[21:54] <ikonia> sorry ross`
[21:55] <ron___> its not being servied to the lan by your box. that would be where I would start.
[21:55] <ross`> I just said I can connect to it over 8080
[21:55] <ron___> ping the VM IP
[21:55] <ikonia> ross`: you said "from other machines"
[21:55] <ross`> ping works fine
[21:55] <ikonia> ross`: right so something is blocking port 22
[21:55] <ikonia> look at the firewall rules
[21:55] <ron___> run the ssh command ssh you@theVMipaddress
[21:55] <ross`> nothing blocks port 22 by default in my system and I only have 2 firewall rules
[21:56] <Cuken> ahhh man I missed one line :( sudo systemctl enable nzbget
[21:56] <ross`> ron___: yes, that's what I've been doing. It hangs but doesn't refuse connection.
[21:56] <ross`> Just shows blankness
[21:56] <ikonia> sounds like something is blocking it
[21:56] <ron___> so look at the logs on the VM to see what openssh server says
[21:56] <tatertots> ross you say "nothing blocks the port" like you have done some work to confirm this fact.
[21:56] <tatertots> is the port blocked?
[21:56] <tatertots> is the port open i mean ?
[21:57] <ikonia> is ssh even running and listening on that interface
[21:57] <ross`> ikonia: it should be. I uncommected Listen on 0.0.0.0
[21:58] <ikonia> ross`: should be is not "is" check
[21:58] <ross`> I can ssh from the virtual machine to its lan ip address
[21:58] <ross`> ikonia: what could possibly be blocking it?!?
[21:58] <ross`> This is on a laptop
[21:58] <ikonia> firewalls
[21:58] <ross`> there is no firewall lol
[21:58] <ron___> ross try telnet hostname 22
[21:58] <ikonia> gues, host and source hosts all have firewalls
[21:58] <ikonia> guest
[21:58] <ron___> or telnet ipaddress 22
[21:59] <Bashing-om> Cuken: Good place to start : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[21:59] <ross`> so that's my question would ubuntu be blocking this by default?
[21:59] <ron___> ross is sshd running?
[21:59] <tatertots> ross ever thought about studying for your CCNA or net+ at least...it wouldn't kill u
[21:59] <ross`> sshd is running or I coudldn't ssh from itself
[21:59] <tgm4883> ross`: can you run 'netstat -tulpn | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:59] <ikonia> ross`: there are 3 possible firewalls already - have you checked that port 22 is allowed from your source address
[21:59] <ron___> and you can ssh from the box hosting the VM
[22:00] <ron___> so what is telling outside machines how to reach the vm?
[22:00] <ron___> you can ping the VM Right?
[22:00] <ross`> I can ssh 100% fine from the vm to the machine the vm is not running on
[22:00] <ross`> I can ping the vm
[22:00] <ross`> I can connect to the vm on port 8080
[22:01] <ron___> so you should look at inbound rules for port 22 on the VM
[22:01] <ross`> i did iptables-save | grep 22
[22:01] <ross`> and nothing
[22:01] <ikonia> that doesn't mean anything
[22:01] <ikonia> actually LOOK at the rules
[22:01] <ron___> what happens when yopu telnet to the VM on port 22?
[22:01] <ikonia> you have guest, host, and client - check the rules on all 3
[22:01] <ross`> ron___: it hangs as well
[22:02] <alex1a> any tt-rss user on ubuntu ?
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: what OS is the guest running?
[22:02] <ross`> tgm4883: ubuntu
[22:02] <ross`> which is why I'm asking here
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: can you run 'netstat -tulpn | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:02] <tgm4883> ross`: ^ on the guest
[22:02] <ron___> ikonia is right check al 3 FW's rulsets
[22:02] <ross`> tgm4883: it says it is listening on 0.0.0.0:22 and 0.0.0.0:1022 as it should
[22:03] <ross`> I'd rather not pipe the output of netstat to you, sorry.
[22:03] <tgm4883> ross`: ok then, good luck
[22:03] <gandallf070> O=
[22:03] <Guest66360> hi, guys, I just installed lubuntu, and am wondering how to get minecraft. Do I just go to the site and download it from there for linux?
[22:03] <ross`> I've done this a million times but I never use ubuntu, so I'm assuming it's ubuntu.
[22:03] <tgm4883> Guest66360: you'd need java installed as well
[22:04] <tgm4883> ross`: works here
[22:04] <Guest66360> do I go to synaptics and get java?
[22:04] <ron___> ross are you using ufw?
[22:05] <ross`> ufw?
[22:05] <tgm4883> Guest66360: What I generally do is install openjdk via apt, download and install MultiMC, then have MultiMC manage my minecraft installs
[22:05] <tgm4883> Guest66360: but you can just install java (or openjdk) and the .jar file from the minecraft website too
[22:05] <ron___> UFW (Uncomplicated Firewall) is a front-end for iptables and is particularly well-suited for host-based firewalls. UFW was developed specifically for Ubuntu (but is available in other distributions), and is also configured from the terminal.
[22:06] <SchrodingersScat> !info openjdk-9-jre | Guest66360 there are several java versions you can try, this is one
[22:06] <ross`> there is a bunch of default stuff in iptables-save on the guest
[22:06] <ross`> if that is what you mean
[22:06] <ross`> but grepping for ssh or 22 shows nothing
[22:06] <ikonia> you don't check like that
[22:06] <ikonia> you actually read it
[22:06] <ross`> http://scpb.in/ipt
[22:06] <ikonia> as I've said 3 times and I'm bored of telling you what to do to debug it
[22:06] <ron___> ross try sudo ufw status verbose
[22:06] <ross`> that is the firewall table on the physical laptop that the vm is running on
[22:07] <Guest66360> ok guys, thanks! I'll try it
[22:07] <ross`> it says status active and defautl deny incoming
[22:07] <tgm4883> ross`: if i'm reading that correctly, shouldn't you be SSHing to port 1022?
[22:07] <ikonia> ross`: and you can't see the problem there ?
[22:07] <ross`> how do I murder ufw
[22:07] <ikonia> you don't murder it
[22:08] <ross`> ikonia: I have Port 22\,Port1022 on the guest
[22:08] <ikonia> ross`: so ?
[22:08] <ross`> also same problem with ssh ip -p 1022
[22:08] <tatertots> murder it?.. :-0
[22:08] <tatertots> it your friend
[22:08] <ross`> how do I disable it completely
[22:08] <tgm4883> ross`: you don't...
[22:08] <ross`> hmm stopped the service
[22:08] <f0ster_> in my upstart script, I cd to a symlinked directory, then run a program.. is there any issue with cd'ing to a symlink with an upstart script ?
[22:09] <ron___> ross https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[22:09] <ross`> wow, now I can ssh..
[22:09] <tatertots> YAY!
[22:09] <ron___> ross it might be easier to set some simple rules in UFW
[22:09] <ikonia> ...its...almost...like...you...where....told...this...at...the...start
[22:09] <tatertots> you didn't even need to get your CCNA or network+ after all
[22:09] <ron___> hahahha fun ! ikonia
[22:09] <ross`> you guys.. what's the deal with the ufw.. I know how to use iptables and ssh and I feel like an idiot for not knowing about the Ubuntu firewall.
[22:10] <ikonia> ross`: it is iptables
[22:10] <ikonia> it's a front end for it
[22:10] <ikonia> so iptables is still the firewall
[22:10] <ikonia> so you're iptables knowledge is enough to run it
[22:10] <ross`> so what rule did it create that included port 22 in a range?
[22:10] <ikonia> ross`: read the rules
[22:10] <ron___> UFW takes a little pain out of input -j accept -p (make Pizza)
[22:10] <ikonia> as I've said....I don't know how many times
[22:11] <f0ster__> in my upstart script, I cd to a symlinked directory, then run a program.. is there any issue with cd'ing to a symlink with an upstart script ?
[22:11] <ross`> alright well thanks.
[22:11] <ross`> I'm glad that ufw is dead now anyway *shudder*
[22:11]  * tgm4883 shakes his head
[22:11] <ikonia> ross`: why are you shuddering ?
[22:11] <tatertots> ross reboot lol
[22:11] <ross`> because default firewalls are evil!
[22:11] <ikonia> ross`: no they are not
[22:12] <ikonia> users who can't manage their system but come in here claiming it's all open are evil
[22:12] <ikonia> shudder
[22:12] <SchrodingersScat> I don't even think it blocks anything by default.
[22:12] <HackerII> lol.
[22:12] <tgm4883> I don't even think it's on by default
[22:12] <tatertots> lmao
[22:12] <ikonia> people blaming tools when they claim they have checked it already and clearly they have not
[22:12] <ross`> SchrodingersScat: hmmmmm, to be fair it is Ubuntu Mate and I didn't build it I imported this VM from someone on my research team.
[22:12] <ron___> iptables is the default firewall. UFW is an "interface" to iptables
[22:13] <ron___> just like you hav an interface to a class
[22:13] <ross`> ron___: I get your phpmyadmin analogy, thanks!
[22:13] <Seveas> <pedantry alert>netfilter is the firewall, iptables the interface. ufw the interface-to-the-interface</pedantry alert>
[22:13]  * tgm4883 goes back to setting up his mumble server
[22:13] <ross`> erm, inheritance is not the same thing if you mean programming class extending an interface
[22:13] <ikonia> Seveas: lovely pedant there
[22:14] <ross`> Seveas: way to markup like a boss bruh
[22:14] <ross`> :)
[22:14] <Seveas> ikonia: it's one of my newest pet peeves :)
[22:15] <ron___> seveas thats right netfilter wow its been awhile since I even thought about it !
[22:15] <ron___> inception in a firewall ruleset modification
[22:15] <raj> how does gnome-terminal not have a man page?
[22:16] <Seveas> and there's a new firewall in the works (so a netfilter replacement), though I forgot both its name and status.
[22:16] <raj> how are people supposed to know the commandline arguments?
[22:16] <codepython777> how do i setup an ubuntu machine that can be powered off - without "shutdown", and does not create trouble with the machine's SSD?
[22:16] <ron___> !nfo gnome-terminal
[22:16] <Seveas> raj: it has a manpage
[22:16] <ron___> !info gnome-terminal
[22:16] <ross`> I have not really used anything besides gentoo for about 4 years now so I apologize for not knowing the ubuntu way of things and asking stupid questions/wasting time.
[22:16] <ross`> Thanks so much for helping me figure out ufw was the issue
[22:17] <OerHeks> have fun ross`
[22:17]  * tgm4883 hopes ikonia doesn't look
[22:17] <ikonia> ross`: it's nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:17] <ikonia> ross`: it's iptables - which you said you knoew
[22:17] <ikonia> you just didn't check
[22:18] <tgm4883> guess I didn't hope hard enough
[22:18] <Seveas> raj: if it has somehow gone missing from your system, you can read the online version at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/gnome-terminal.1.html
[22:18] <ross`> ikonia: the iptables-save had a bunch of named rules that were not easy to read with ufw :(
[22:18] <ross`> woulda taken me 10 minutes
[22:19] <HackerII> shudders
[22:19] <ikonia> ross`: yeah, and I told you multiple times to do it
[22:19] <ikonia> ross`: and you said you'd checked
[22:19] <ikonia> so you just couldn't be bothered and lied
[22:19] <dbz2k> will this progam work this windows iso https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[22:19] <tatertots> ross i think i spent 10 minutes asking "is the port open?"
[22:19] <dbz2k> I think it should since it uses dd?
[22:20]  * tgm4883 finds it amusing that he's still blaming ubuntu for him not being able to read iptables rules
[22:20] <SchrodingersScat> dbz2k: yeah, sounds like worth a shot.  probably about equivalent to dd if=/foo/bar/iso.iso of=/dev/sdb #etc.
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> dbz2k: https://www.unixmen.com/winusb-create-windows-startup-usb-disks-ubuntu/
[22:23] <ross`> tgm4883: I can read about 30-40% of ip tables without reference. That iptables-save was a mess with ufw though.
[22:23] <ross`> I can all basic rules.
[22:23] <SchrodingersScat> it's over, it can end
[22:23] <ross`> can read*
[22:24] <marcopolo> jappan
[22:24] <SchrodingersScat> !jp | marcopolo
[22:24] <tatertots> now that you can ssh do you have any other ubuntu issues we can help out with ross?
[22:25] <tatertots> come on ...at least one more
[22:25] <ross`> tatertots: not right now. I wish I could ban ubuntu from being used for university research but I don't think this channel can help me there. :)
[22:25] <ikonia> ross`: maybe you could learn how to use linux
[22:25] <ikonia> ross`: rather than blame the distro
[22:26] <tgm4883> ok now everyone, can we move on?
[22:26] <ross`> I never have the same problems with Debian. Ubuntu is just to fancy and has its own scripts for so many things. It's not that Ubuntu is bad, you just need to know how to Ubuntu is all and I don't use it personally unless I'm installing it on a first time user's laptop -- which I think Ubuntu is great for by the way.
[22:26] <ross`> And yes, we can move on. Thanks aagin
[22:26] <ikonia> ross`: it's iptables....
[22:27] <ikonia> nothing fancy
[22:27] <Seveas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVP2hJQmc1c -- something to move on to
[22:27] <ezri> iptables on Debian and Ubuntu are the same. source: Debian and Ubuntu server administrator
[22:27] <ross`> ezri: Debian doesn't have a ufw as far as I know. And I realize it is just an interface but still it creates a massive massive massive rules table.
[22:27] <ezri> !info ufw stable
[22:27] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[22:28] <ikonia> the person who created your VM created a massive massive rules table
[22:28] <ezri> and ufw is off in ubuntu by default
[22:28] <tgm4883> ross`: if there is anyone you should be blaming, it's the person on your research team that gave you the VM without bothering to tell you what they did
[22:28] <ross`> tgm4883: true that
[22:29] <ikonia> no-one to blame other than ross` for not bothering to read the firewall rules
[22:29] <ross`> ezri: good to know. I respect that.
[22:29] <allquixotic> Does the Ubuntu Advantage Server Standard subscription let me register all the LXD containers on my server into my Landscape account, or do I have to buy a new Advantage license for each and every container?
[22:29] <ross`> ikonia: I have read them now and I don't see anything that easially reads as rejecting ssh
[22:29] <ikonia> ross`: you didn't read them
[22:30] <ikonia> allquixotic: I believe each container is seperate
[22:30] <Seveas> ross`: ikonia: cut it out please.
[22:30] <ezri> allquixotic: (I'd recommend asking Canonical, personally. http://www.ubuntu.com/management/contact-us or your assigned sales rep if you have one)
[22:30] <Jarlath_pi> Has anyone had success building Nylas N1 on 16.04? http://askubuntu.com/questions/790805/building-nylas-n1-from-source-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:31] <Seveas> Jarlath_pi: be aware that nylas n1 by default sends your password to the nylas servers.
[22:31] <allquixotic> ezri: I did ask, but I tend to do most of my work on weekends (hobby project), so putting in a support request always means I have to wait around 48 hours to get an answer from them :)
[22:31] <ezri> ah :)
[22:32] <ikonia> josephpagoda-lap: you don't need to - they provide a prebuilt deb for you
[22:32] <ikonia> https://edgehill.nylas.com/download?platform=linux
[22:32] <ikonia> oops Jarlath_pi
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> ikonia: i was very confused for a few minutes there
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> :P
[22:32] <ikonia> josephpagoda-lap: sorry about that
[22:32] <josephpagoda-lap> no worries, worse things have happened to me
[22:33] <josephpagoda-lap> and now I can sound all paranoid and be like "they" need to provide a prebuilt deb for me :)
[22:34] <Seveas> josephpagoda-lap: they're also watching you
[22:34] <josephpagoda-lap> just because I am paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching me
[22:35] <Seveas> exactly
[22:35] <Seveas> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGPlCLf9AZ8
[22:35] <josephpagoda-lap> always best to be safe ya know :)
[22:43] <monty_hall> how to encrypt usb drive?
[22:43] <codepython777> how do i setup an ubuntu machine that can be powered off - without "shutdown", and does not create trouble with the machine's SSD?
[22:43] <monty_hall> passowrd everyttime I plugin etc
[22:45] <YankDownUnder> codepython777: You can set up a timed "shutdown" using the "at" system scheduling...
[22:45] <codepython777> YankDownUnder: I want a machine, which can be turned off anytime - without shutdown
[22:46] <Seveas> monty_hall: there are various options, depending on your desired results. Most importantly, should it be compatible with other os'es?
[22:46] <monty_hall> just ubuntu
[22:46] <YankDownUnder> codepython777: The question then, would be "how" do you want to shut the machine down? You can use "shutdown" or "halt" - or "poweroff" via ssh...
[22:47] <Seveas> monty_hall: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemsOnRemovableStorage should do the trick then.
[22:48] <Jarlath_pi> Seveas: ikonia: thanks, I'm aware of the situation and the existing binary. I'm trying to build it from git on 16.04 and finding it difficult: http://askubuntu.com/questions/790805/building-nylas-n1-from-source-on-ubuntu-16-04
[22:55] <Mouaad> hello, i've a problem, i've two laptops (same manufacture), one if them was damaged, i took his motherboard and puting in the second one (because he is better), now my problem is the keyboard mapping didn't change (the original pc have no numpad, the new one has, and its doesn't work)
[22:55] <Mouaad> so how can I change mapping to match the correct keyboard ?
[22:56] <Mouaad> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, first i don't know if it's helping, two: didn't find "sony"
[22:56] <ikonia> Mouaad: can't support that
[22:56] <ikonia> Mouaad: they are probably not going to work at a hardware level
[22:56] <HackerII> mobo prolly doesnt support k/b
[22:56] <baron> hey
[22:56] <ikonia> laptop keyboards often tied into the specific motherboard due to things like function keys
[22:57] <HackerII> amazon to the rescue
[22:57] <Mouaad> im using a usb keyboard now
[22:57] <baron> zk210010001000001
[22:58] <monty_hall> is there a tool that once I delete a file, that it's unrecoverable?
[22:59] <k1l_> monty_hall: use "shred"
[23:01] <Nate_> eat a dick ikonia :)
[23:02] <Seveas> I'm sure ikonia prefers healthier food than that...
[23:02] <ikonia> indeed
[23:03] <YankDownUnder> Lentils.
[23:03] <django_> hey all
[23:03] <django_> how can i fix this issue: havng this issue where i enter the command in terminal "sopel" and the output is bash: /home/django/anaconda2/bin/sopel: No such file or directory
[23:03] <tatertots> hello django
[23:04] <Seveas> django_: sounds like that file has a nonexisting interpreter. What does 'file /home/django/anaconda2/bin/sopel' say?
[23:05] <django_> Seveas, i deleted the anaconda2 directory
[23:05] <YankDownUnder> django_: the python IRC bot "sopel" or something else?
[23:05] <Seveas> django_: oh, then just do hash -r
[23:06] <django_> YankDownUnder, yeah the bot
[23:06] <django_> Seveas, sweet ty
[23:06] <django_> Seveas, what did that do?
[23:07] <Seveas> django_: it made your shell empty a cache. Starting a new shell would have worked too :)
[23:08] <django_> Seveas, wowwwwww
[23:10] <BentFranklin> ls [0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9] shows a file named 1000.  ls [0-9]{4} fails.  Why?  I've tried various ways of escaping the {}'s.
[23:11] <allquixotic> Are there any mirrors for ppa.launchpad.net ? I'm hitting it from a datacenter and getting 100 KB/s
[23:11] <Seveas> BentFranklin: shell filename expansion isn't based on regexes but fnmatch.
[23:12] <Seveas> allquixotic: none that I know of.
[23:12] <BentFranklin> Saveas: thansk looking that up
[23:17] <Seveas> BentFranklin: man 7 glob and the manpage of your shell (e.g. the EXPANSION section in the bash manpage)
[23:17] <BentFranklin> thansk I'm reading expansion on bash manual now
[23:20] <BentFranklin> It seems there is no pattern for matching a specific number of a pattern
[23:21] <Seveas> that is correct
[23:22] <BentFranklin> I'll just use [:digit:] 4 times, no biggie
[23:22] <Seveas> BentFranklin: though I smell an xy issue. What are you trying to achieve?
[23:25] <BentFranklin> [:digit:] doesnt work either nut [0-9] is fine.  I'm trying to list all files that are exactly 4 digits in the names.
[23:31] <BentFranklin> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem  Interesting, never heard of that before, but I think this is just a X problem.  Thanks!
[23:41] <Seveas> BentFranklin: [[:digit:]], the outer [] are for the grouping, the inner [] are part of the name
[23:42] <Seveas> koekblik:/tmp$ ls [[:digit:]][[:digit:]][[:digit:]]
[23:42] <Seveas> 123
[23:42] <BentFranklin> ah ok
[23:42] <Seveas> [0-9a-z] would be [[:digit:][:alpha:]]
[23:43] <Seveas> horrible syntax? Very much.
[23:43] <BentFranklin> yah, [0-9] is conciser than [[:digit:]]
[23:44] <Seveas> and in the case of real regexes, [0-9] is often more correct than \d (\d matches all kinds of weird unicode characters)