[04:31] <hikiko> Hi
[05:00] <qengho> hikiko: hi hi
[05:02] <hikiko> Hi qengho!
[05:55] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[06:06] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! as-tu eu un bon week-end ?
[06:06] <didrocks> pitti: très bien, je suis allé chez vuntz le dimanche :)
[06:06] <didrocks> et toi ?
[06:06] <pitti> oh, c'est bien !
[06:07] <pitti> didrocks: il y avait une grande fête dans la ville, beaucoup d'orchestres, etc.
[06:08] <pitti> donc, on a dancé beaucoup, avec quelques amis :)
[06:09] <didrocks> super :-)
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:35] <Sweet5hark> moin
[07:39] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark, had a good w.e?
[07:40] <andyrock> morning
[07:45] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[07:47] <andyrock> hey sab128, not bad. how was your we?
[07:47] <seb128> it was good!
[07:47] <seb128> travelled back from Boston on the friday night
[07:48] <seb128> was home on saturday at 10
[07:48] <seb128> had a relaxing w.e, watched some euro games on tv, played some video games, read a bit
[07:48] <seb128> what about yours?
[07:55] <willcooke> morning all!
[07:55] <pitti> hey willcooke! made it back home in one piece?
[07:55] <willcooke> pitti, yeah, but the place is a mess :)
[07:56] <willcooke> people wandering the streets
[07:56] <willcooke> no one knows what's going on
[07:56] <seb128> good morning willcooke
[07:56] <willcooke> hey seb128, glad you didnt get murdered either
[07:56] <seb128> lol
[07:56] <pitti> willcooke: eww, yes :/ I spent most of my Friday morning on reading news
[07:56] <seb128> taking the bus, what an experience right? ;-)
[07:57] <willcooke> :D
[07:57]  * seb128 looks at the stock market numbers, those are still grumpy today
[07:57] <pitti> err, I thought we were talking about brexit, what's up with buses now?
[07:57] <willcooke> glad I'm not retiring any time soon
[07:57] <seb128> was good when my saving were worth something!
[07:57] <willcooke> pitti, seb128 made me go on a bus
[07:57] <pitti> seb128: you put all your savings into pounds?
[07:57] <seb128> pitti, just joking, willcooke wanted to take a cab to the airport
[07:58] <pitti> public transport is good! :-) (too bad the US has so little of it)
[07:58] <seb128> pitti, no, joking mostly, but I do have some stocks and the cac40 went down 8% of friday and is red again today
[08:01] <pitti> I can't imagine that this will stay for long
[08:02] <pitti> at least in the media I've looked at it appears like Britain is now shocked by its own decision, a lot of voters are now demaning another referendum (already 2 million signed the petition), it's non-binding, and the vast majority of the parlament is "remain" anyway
[08:03] <pitti> so this thing will either be procrastinated to death or maybe even reverted
[08:03] <pitti> well, here's hope anyway :)
[08:03] <pitti> willcooke, seb128: I understand you talked about the desktop startup sprint last week; mind giving an update (maybe to the email) for Laney, tedg, and me?
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, sure can do
[08:07] <pitti> merci
[08:15] <Sweet5hark> pitti: Im still amazed by this one after watching it a hundred times: https://twitter.com/sgardner/status/747059883128692737
[08:19] <andyrock> seb128: nothing special :D back to my parent's place so boring stuff
[08:20] <Sweet5hark> pitti, seb128: well, they have a vote, but no plan. so the thing they voted for doesnt exist, and they have no figurehead who is stupid enough to sign that article50 thing and ruin his/her own life by taking the blame. They could find a nobody to do it, but then no blame would be on that person -- it would be on the populists who called for this.
[08:20] <seb128> boring is good sometimes :-)
[08:21] <andyrock> well I just ordered the xps15 :D
[08:21] <qengho> My laptop is flaking out, so I'm trying to envy you to death, andyrock.
[08:23] <Sweet5hark> seb128: and my weekend was ... thrilling. I couldnt help watching that political trainwreck happening in slow motion.
[08:23] <seb128> nice!
[08:24] <seb128> yeah, I spent a good time reading about that on the internet as well
[08:24] <seb128> watched also some debate on the bbc
[08:30] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:31] <Sweet5hark> still amazed by the ignorance of the electorate (killing the City of London as europeans wallstreet can be that bad, i think we'll manage). uhm, no: you wont "manage" losing that ~10% of GDP easily, I guess.
[08:41] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[08:42] <Trevinho> seb128: good... Staying in a place near to the see is always good for weekends
[08:42] <Trevinho> seb128: how was your trip?
[08:42] <Trevinho> Got time for watching the match
[08:43] <Trevinho> (you risked that an Italian helped to kick France out :-D)
[08:43] <seb128> lol
[08:43] <seb128> trip was good
[08:43] <seb128> I flew back on friday night
[08:43] <seb128> direct flight, 7h
[08:43] <seb128> was back home on saturday morning at 10am
[08:44] <seb128> so normal w.e
[08:44] <seb128> I watched the France and Germany games ;-)
[08:44] <qengho> Hrm, chromium crashes at startup on RPi, in init before main. I'm going to see if gdb can break earlier, but I wonder if anyone here has debugging advice.
[08:45] <seb128> valgrind?
[08:45] <qengho> Could be some static init problem or ld.so problem...
[08:45] <qengho> Hmm, thanks, seb128.
[08:45] <seb128> yw
[08:47] <willcooke> seb128, wifi working fine at home
[08:47] <willcooke> O_o
[08:48] <seb128> :-(
[08:48] <thumper> o/ seb128 didrocks
[08:48] <thumper> sprinting from blue fin this week
[08:48] <seb128> so something in the hotel env was making n-m grumpy
[08:48] <thumper> thought I'd say hi
[08:48] <seb128> hey thumper
[08:48] <seb128> oh, nice
[08:48] <seb128> enjoy it!
[08:49] <Sweet5hark> qengho: also, strace sometimes show a program is all wrong about were it loads stuff from during init.
[08:50] <qengho> Sweet5hark: Thanks. I think that is okay, but I will make sure.
[08:50] <didrocks> hey thumper! How are you?
[08:51] <thumper> real good
[08:53] <Sweet5hark> qengho: yeah: apart from funny path, it might give you an rough idea in what part of init its dying ...
[09:21] <Sweet5hark> <- afk sporting
[10:49] <Sweet5hark> re
[10:56] <Sweet5hark> meh, one hour afk and when I come back BCS and RBS are suspended from trading.
[10:56] <pitti> Sweet5hark: stop shorting them!
[10:57] <Sweet5hark> pitti: well, had to .. right in the moment they were suspended.
[10:57] <Sweet5hark> j/k
[10:57] <pitti> oh, you really did? :-)
[10:58] <Sweet5hark> nah, I didnt hedge with derivates. But I did hedge and so far it seems to work reasonably.
[11:04] <xnox> i've closed my shorts on saturday.
[11:04] <xnox> maybe i should have kept them open.
[11:06]  * ogra_ doesnt want to picture that ... really
[11:06] <pitti> haha
[11:09] <Sweet5hark> uhhh, its getting hot in here
[11:25] <alexarnaud> Hello willcooke, didrocks, seb128, Trevinho  :) !
[11:28] <seb128> hey alexarnaud
[12:48] <desrt> happy monday!
[12:50] <seb128> hey desrt, happy monday to you! had a good w.e?
[12:50] <desrt> awesome weekend
[12:50] <desrt> went to my parents' cottage
[12:50] <desrt> did approximately 0
[12:52] <desrt> how is summer shaping up over there?
[12:52] <seb128> sumwhat?
[12:52] <seb128> w.e was actually quite fine
[12:53] <seb128> today/this week is rainy and 19°C
[12:53] <desrt> do anything special?
[12:56] <didrocks> hey hey desrt!
[12:57] <didrocks> more 25°C here :)
[12:58] <seb128> no, I didn't do much, read brexit comments, looked a bit at booking hotels for holidays, played some video games & watched France and Germany games
[12:59] <desrt> looks like the brits are desperately looking for a way to have a do-over
[13:00] <desrt> or for rescue from the scots.. or the northern irish.. or the second round of voting... or please anything at all at this point would be quite nice please and thank you
[13:01] <didrocks> my recipe for knowing France - Germany outcome without watching the match
[13:01] <desrt> open your window and listen to the streets?
[13:01] <didrocks> just come back by the metro after a nice day at vuntz's house at the wrong time, knowing that the game was in Lyon…
[13:02] <desrt> lol.  that's always fun :)
[13:02] <didrocks> the subway is fast, fortunatly :)
[13:02] <desrt> meh.  these situations can be fun.  every now and then i get stuck in a go train with a bunch of bluejays fans
[13:03] <desrt> some of them very very very drunk
[13:05] <desrt> i did do one interesting activity this weekend during a couple of hours of playing around
[13:05] <desrt> $ echo `ls -a`
[13:05] <desrt> . .. Archive Build code .config Desktop Documents Downloads Install .local Music Pictures Projects .var Video
[13:06] <desrt> and ~ is now 0500, so nothing else can create dotfiles there
[13:06] <desrt> everything else is elsewhere
[14:12] <alexarnaud> willcooke: re
[14:12] <alexarnaud> Do to plan to give us a feedback about the discussion with your boss ?
[14:12] <alexarnaud> *do you plan (sorry)
[14:38] <willcooke> seb128, https://github.com/8none1/gedit310
[14:42] <seb128> willcooke, works now?
[14:42] <willcooke> seb128, still building without the plugins....
[14:43] <seb128> k
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, done. Different error, still broken
[14:44] <willcooke> will play
[14:48] <seb128> what error?
[14:49] <willcooke> (gedit:10658): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.gedit.preferences.editor' is not installed
[14:50] <seb128> you build from source?
[14:51] <willcooke> yeah
[14:51] <willcooke> well, I built gedit from src, but I used the deb for gtk
[14:51] <seb128> oh
[14:51] <willcooke> and now thinking about it
[14:51] <willcooke> that's probably not going to work :)
[14:51] <seb128> it should work
[14:51] <seb128> but you need to     configflags: [--prefix=/usr]
[14:52] <seb128> otherwise the schemas is installed in some other dir where the wrapper doesn't find it
[14:52] <seb128> or
[14:52] <seb128> configflags: [--prefix=/snap/gedit310/current/usr]
[14:52] <seb128>     organize:
[14:52] <seb128>       snap/gedit310/current/usr: usr
[14:53] <seb128> which is what I do to evince to get e.g translations working
[14:53] <seb128> but that goes back to the list discussion if you followed
[14:53] <seb128> it makes your snap rely on the /snap/gedit310/current path at runtime
[14:53] <seb128> which the snappy team doesn't want to garanty as stable
 I'll have a go later, thanks seb128
[14:58] <willcooke_> * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer)
[14:59] <seb128> willcooke_, yw!
[15:41] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, asking in case you know offhand but do you know if something change in nm "permissions=" for user connections (or if we had a distro patch that maybe doesn't work as it should after update), https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1574020/comments/26
[15:41] <seb128> happyaron, ^
[16:16] <cyphermox> seb128: not that I know -- this may have been an upstream policy change that somehow broke..
[16:17] <seb128> cyphermox, k, thanks
[16:17] <cyphermox> things are behaving correctly here
[16:33] <seb128> cyphermox, you mean that newly creating connection have the user value?
[16:40] <seb128> attente, hey, do you know offhand what sort of issue could make gtk2 code not export their menus in unity with unity-gtk-module loaded?
[16:41] <cyphermox> seb128: no, I mean that newly creating a connection has permission= empty.
[16:42] <seb128> k, which is the issue described in that bug
[16:42] <seb128> I guess needs somebody to investigatge
[16:42] <seb128> thanks
[16:43] <cyphermox> maybe the Network panel in g-c-c does it wrong?
[16:43] <seb128> those are not added using it afaik?
[16:43] <seb128> they are added when the user connect using the applet
[16:47] <attente> seb128: could it be missing env vars (GTK2_MODULES) or x properties?
[16:47] <seb128> env is correct, gtk-demo has them exported
[16:48] <seb128> the module is loaded according to /proc/pidf/map
[16:48] <seb128> that's running from a snap env in devmode
[16:48] <seb128> unsure what issue it could be
[16:48] <attente> which snap is this?
[16:48] <seb128> atom :p
[16:49] <seb128> https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/tree/master/atom
[16:49] <seb128> there was some issue with GTK_PATH not being set
[16:49] <seb128> and XDG_DATA_DIRS being incomplete
[16:49] <seb128> which made the module not loaded
[16:49] <seb128> I fixed those and gtk-demo works
[16:49] <seb128> but not atom itself
[16:49] <seb128> anyway it was in case you had some usual gotcha
[16:50] <attente> not off hand, but i can give it a try
[16:50] <seb128> don't bother if you are busy with other things
[16:51]  * Trevinho deserved one more goal
[16:51] <seb128> you can download  http://didrocks.fr/temp/atom_1.8.0_amd64.snap if you want  a built version (I had issues building)
[16:52] <seb128> Trevinho, you also wish that Spain had scored one? :p
[16:54] <Trevinho> seb128: not really... :-P
[17:04] <attente> seb128: doesn't unity-gtk2-module have to be in the list of staged packages?
[17:04] <seb128> attente, yes, it's in there https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen/blob/master/atom/snapcraft.yaml
[17:57] <seb128> Trevinho, you got it ;-)
[18:27] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah.. it seems we've to get rid of Germany once again...
[18:27] <seb128> Trevinho, good luck with that!
[18:27] <Trevinho> seb128: it's gonna be hard, but stats sometimes count
[18:30] <seb128> Trevinho, stats are a summary of the past,they don't tell you much about the current teams and dynamics ... but let's see ;-)
[19:33] <pitti> seb128: wow, this ENG-ISL game is great to watch
[19:45] <seb128> pitti, do you reckon ENG is up for another euro exit? ;-)
[19:47] <pitti> seb128: could very well be
[19:47] <pitti> it's quite impressive what they showed
[19:48] <pitti> oh, finally, a xenial langpack
[19:49] <seb128> starting having nice matches in this euro
[19:49] <seb128> the first ones were a bit boring
[19:49] <pitti> yeah, indeed
[19:49] <seb128> oh, langpack, nice! do they have evolution-3.18?
[19:50] <pitti> I watched the firstr half of Italy-Spain too
[19:50] <pitti> which was entertaining, although I was a bit disappointed by spain
[19:52] <seb128> don't say that to Trevinho :-)
[19:52] <pitti> I thought he was Italian?
[19:53] <pitti> I mostly wanted to see what we'll be up to next Sat :)
[19:53] <pitti> rosetta-xenial/fr/LC_MESSAGES/evolution-3.18.po
[19:53] <pitti> seb128: oui ^
[19:54] <seb128> he's Italian indeed, but I think he would have liked from Italy to score another goal earlier in the match
[19:54] <seb128> he seemed a bit nervous at the half time ;-)
[19:54] <seb128> super!
[19:54] <pitti> heh
[19:54] <pitti> well, how high you win is completely irrelevant now :)
[19:54] <seb128> right
[19:54] <seb128> Italie-Germany is going to be a though one
[19:54] <pitti> oh my
[20:02] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:51] <willcooke> well
[20:51] <willcooke> what a load of rubbish
[20:51] <pitti> in-fucking-credible!
[20:52] <pitti> two brexits within one week..
[20:53] <willcooke> cue fighting in the streets tonight
[20:56] <mitya57> Not yet brexit, there's still Wales ;P
[21:42] <willcooke> night all
[23:21] <qengho> Good morning!