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altker128Anyone here use Touch on a Meziu Pro 4?  Just wondering if it's any real upgrade over a Nexus403:39
swalladgei think i've bricked my aquaris m10 ubuntu edition... it won't turn on (blank screen, holding down power button or power button with combination of volume buttons doesn't seem to do anything)03:47
swalladgeany ideas?03:47
RAOFaltker128: The Meizu MX4? Yeah, it's much faster than the N4.04:39
RAOFswalladge: How do you think you've bricked it? You might just need to let it charge for a while (strangely).04:40
altker128RAOF: Do you have an MX4 you're looking to sell? :)04:42
RAOFNo; I've got a Canonical one for testing :)04:43
RAOF(Also an M10 that I thought I'd bricked, but it turned out just needed a couple of hours charging before trying to flash it)04:43
altker128What's your opinion of the MX4?04:43
altker128(I mean overall)04:43
swalladgeRAOF: i was messing around with some system config (tried to change to dm to see what would happen), and after that it stuck on the boot logo04:44
swalladgeThen trying to flash it didn't seem to connect properly, now it won't turn on...04:44
swalladgeI'll try charging it and see if that helps :)04:44
RAOFswalladge: So, I'd charge it for a couple of hours, then try to get it into fastboot mode (from memory that's holding down volume down when turning it on) and then ubuntu-device-flash.04:45
swalladgeOk04:46
swalladgeHmm no lights on while charging - bad sign?04:47
RAOFNah, that's not necessarily a problem.04:47
RAOFMine didn't have any lights, either.04:47
RAOFThe system image that provides the charging animation and LED switch-on can be overwritten, and you may well have done that.04:48
RAOFBut a full fastboot reflash should get you back the original partitioning and images.04:48
swalladgeOk nice, thanks04:53
swalladgeSo you use the ubuntu-device-flash, not the bq flash tool?04:54
swalladgeDo ubuntu devices have recovery (like twrp for android)? I'm a bit confused on how it's structured04:55
altker128swalladge: From what I can tell, the Ubuntu touch devices are bootstraped from Android devices, so they re-use the recovery/bootloader, etc.04:58
altker128swalladge: The image that runs when the device is booted (i.e. Ubuntu Touch OS) is different.  But even Android drivers are re-used via libhybris04:58
swalladgeAh right05:00
swalladgeSo in theory i could flash twrp onto the m10 and use that to flash ubuntu on05:00
RAOFswalladge: I think you need to use the BQ tool, yeah. I can't remember if ubuntu-device-flash will handle the repartitioning etc.05:08
swalladgebeen charging for few hours, but it still won't turn on07:17
swalladgeinterestingly, it registers when I plug i into the computer (new full-speed USB device... ttyACM0: USB ACM device)07:18
RAOFswalladge: Yeah, that's going to be it in absolute-bare-bones “you can use the flashing tool” mode.07:21
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swalladgeah right08:07
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mox0hola11:16
mox0alguien español?11:16
k1lmost in here speak english11:16
mox0and the channel for speak spanish ubuntu-touch??11:17
k1li dont know if there is a seperate spanish channel11:17
mox0okok, sorry guys11:17
mariogripwhere is the logs for unity8-dash located? i cannot find them in .cache/upstart. for some reason unity8-dash wont start11:46
swalladgeRAOF: how do you know when it's in fastbook mode then? (with just a blank screen)12:03
swalladgeadb can't find it, and the BQ flashtool isn't connecting...12:03
mariogripogra_: did you ever take a look at my MP https://code.launchpad.net/~mariogrip/project-rootstock-ng/project-rootstock-ng/+merge/285820 i do not have write access on the "main" branch12:10
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aquilesHii12:27
aquilesLibertine apps don't have keyboard on screen?12:28
MickleHi12:29
Mickle a question?12:29
Micklehow can i download apps by usb not wifi connection ????12:29
Mickleis there any idea?12:29
Mickleanybody???12:31
bregmaaquiles, yes they do, as of OTA-12 (coming very soon)12:31
Micklehow can i download apps by usb not wifi connection ????12:32
mariogripMickle: do you mean download it to you computer and transfer it to you phone? then you can use abd12:32
mariogripadb*12:32
aquilesThanks, bregma  :)12:32
Micklemariogip12:32
Micklemariogrip12:32
mariogripyeah?12:33
MickleActually i wnat to have interent by usb12:33
Micklei mean can i connect to interent by usb from my comuter12:33
mariogripMickle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/AdbNetworking12:33
aquilesSickle, you can use a Lan connection to your computer12:34
aquiles*Mickle12:35
Micklemariogrip Thank you12:35
swalladgeanyone know how long the bq flashtool should take to flash an ubuntu image? mine has been sitting there for over half an hour now, and still says 0 Bytes...12:40
mariogripswalladge: it should not take that long, try to restart it12:42
aquilesThere is possible to port loqui im to ubuntu touch ?12:43
swalladgemariogrip: doesn't do anything... :( i think it's dead (pressing buttons doesn't do anything - blank screen, no lights)12:43
mariogripswalladge: if you haven't damaged the phone physically, there is a really small change that it could be dead12:44
mariogripswalladge: try charging it12:45
swalladgeany ideas for what i could try? (backstory: messing around with system config in ubuntu touch, became stuck at boot logo, tried flashing but failed (don't know why), and now it's dead)12:45
swalladgei've had it on the charger all afternoon - still dead12:46
swalladgeand the battery was around 80% when i was last using it12:46
mariogripcan you reboot to fastboot? power + vol up?12:47
mariogriptry holding it for a good while12:47
mariogripsometimes the bootloader on some android phones get stuck and something like this might happen12:48
mariogripandroid/ubuntu touch12:48
swalladgenah can't - even holding buttons down for a whole minute12:49
aquilesIts happen with me and I simple reinstall the ubuntu touch again by adb with my computer12:49
swalladgeaquiles: adb won't detect it, and i can't turn it on....12:50
mariogripswalladge: what bq phone is it?12:50
swalladgethe M1012:50
aquilesWhat system you using in your computer ?12:51
mariogripswalladge: i don't know about that device, but on my M4.5 i disconnecting the battery helps12:51
mariogripi don't know how the M10 is built, might not be as easy12:52
mariogripalternative is to leave it to the battery dies12:52
aquilesMaybe can be the problem with your computer12:53
mariogripsince the bootloader seems to not respond to buttons, there is not much to do other than resetting (power off) the phone12:53
aquilesDrivers....12:53
mariogripubuntu does not need drivers12:54
mariogripbut since the device does not respond to button press, the computer has nothing to do with it12:54
swalladgei don't think i can take out the battery12:55
swalladgeunless there's a reset hole/button?12:56
mariogripswalladge: have you tried just holding the power button?12:57
swalladgeyep12:58
aquilesAnd nothing happens ?12:59
aquilesNo light on screen?12:59
swalladgeno nothing12:59
mariogripswalladge: what tool did you use? link?13:01
swalladgemariogrip: http://www.mibqyyo.com/en-download/2015/05/22/flash-tools-ubuntu/13:02
aquilesYou using ubuntu on your computer ??13:02
mariogripswalladge: on ubuntu?13:02
swalladgearchlinux....13:02
mariogripok, that's fine13:03
swalladgemaybe i'll just leave it on charge overnight13:04
mariogriphumm, i would let it dischage in hope that it could run out of battery13:05
mariogripand try charge it tomorrow13:05
aquilesYou trie to install some sudo apps in m10 device ?13:06
swalladgelol it's going to take a while to run out of battery since it's not likely to be using much in its state13:06
swalladgeaquiles: sure did13:06
swalladgeyou have to experiment with a system like that ;)13:07
swalladgewas fun while it worked13:07
swalladgeit obviously didn't like my trying to change the display manager though13:07
aquilesYou trie to update the devive after that?13:08
swalladgeyes13:08
swalladgedoesn't explain the bootloader not responding though13:08
aquilesI think its not a hardware problem..13:08
aquilesNot battery problem13:09
aquilesI think that the problem is with adb on your computer13:09
swalladgecould the bootloader have been overwritten somehow when trying to flash?13:09
aquilesBut I can be wrong13:10
swalladgeaquiles: i've tested on two computers though, and adb works fine with my android phone13:10
ogra_swalladge, ubuntus adb brings proper udev rules for all our devices ... did you perhaps not use the ubuntu adb ?13:11
ogra_mariogrip, hmm, i thought i added you, i have to check that13:12
mariogripogra_: the device does not respond to button press, so my guess is that bootloader is stuck somehow13:13
mariogripspeaking about swalladge's tablet^13:13
ogra_ouch ... how would one get into such a state13:13
swalladgeogra_, oh didn't think of that. I'm on archlinux, with the officil repo's adb udev rules installed13:14
ogra_(unless you make the device all writable or dd into the MMC or some such awful thigs you should really not be able to trash it like that)13:14
mariogripogra_: happens to me sometimes13:14
mariogripbut, a reset (power off) fix it13:15
ogra_well, sounds like something you should talk to the bq support about13:15
mariogripbut, then you have to let it run out of battery, or disconnect the battery13:15
ogra_if there isno bootloader it sounds quite screwed up13:15
mariogripyeah, talk with them13:15
swalladgeYeah ok, i'll do that13:16
swalladgeThanks13:16
aquilesTalk with them13:16
mariogripI don't think the bootloader is modified, i think that it might be an bug with it13:16
mariogriphe was using the bq flash tool and i don't think that touches the bootloader13:16
ogra_"the bq flash tool" is some manufacturer tool13:17
ogra_i'm pretty sure it ca completely trash the devie if you use it wrongly13:17
ogra_(which is why we have ubuntu-device-flash ... which isnt able to touch partitioning)13:17
ogra_*can completely trash the device13:18
mariogripwell, i don't know, never used it, didn't even know it existed13:18
ogra_(damn, my laptop kbd is giving up)13:18
mariogrip:P13:18
ogra_i only know the MTK tool ...13:18
ogra_and that can definitely mess up a lot13:18
swalladge^ that flash tool uses mtk afaik13:19
ogra_ubuntu explicitly doesnt touch factory partitioning or the bootloader for that reason13:19
ogra_(ubuntu-device-flash that is)13:19
mhall119mariogrip: do you have new FP2 images I can try installing ahead of our call this afternoon?13:19
mariogriphumm, how did you find that tool? i thought it was like "samsung keys" for bq13:20
mariogripmhall119: yeah, i'll push them to the devel-rc_proposed channel if that's ok13:20
dobeymariogrip: bq made it available to allow people with android e4.5/e5 phones to flash ubuntu onto them; as the phones need re-partitioning13:21
mhall119mariogrip: that's find, can I use ubuntu-device-flash to install it?13:21
mhall119it's been a while, so I don't remember the process for using your images13:21
mariogripmhall119: jup13:21
swalladgeWebsearch - trying to find out official way to flash on a non-ubuntu system13:21
mariogripwe need to make ubuntu-device-flash "multi-distro" soon13:22
ogra_it is a static go binary13:22
dobeyit will run on any distro13:22
dobeythose other distros just need to package it13:22
mariogripok :)13:22
dobeyor i guess you can make a snap of it13:23
mariogrip:D13:23
ogra_+113:23
dobeyand a flatpak, and rpms, and debs, and tgz, and whatever else :P13:23
ogra_nah, a snap is enough13:23
mariogripthat's why we need one and only one package format13:23
mariogripusers and developers get so confused13:24
dobeyyeah, the problem is it doesn't work13:24
swalladgeNow you tell me... :P  maybe i'll make a pkgbuild for it13:24
mariogripmhall119: i'll ping you when it's up there13:26
swalladgeOh its already on the aur...13:26
mariogripthe beauty of open source shines13:27
ogra_nontheless a snap would be most awesome13:30
mariogripogra_: jup13:31
mhall119thanks mariogrip13:37
mariogripmhall119: do you have the old type or new?13:46
mhall119mariogrip: old still, but willing ot give it a try13:48
mariogripmhall119: oh, btw, you need to flash boot manually14:02
mhall119ack, I remember having to do that14:02
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mariogripmhall119: will be up there any minute now: http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/devel_rc-proposed/FP2/14:38
mariogripmhall119: http://cdimage.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/mhall/boot.img14:39
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mariogripmhall119: it's up now15:01
mhall119mariogrip: charging up the phone now15:03
mariogripack15:03
lauriHi, the 3G connection flips repeatedly on Meizu PRO 515:25
ogra_HSPA and 4G too15:26
lauriyeps15:26
laurisee this - what do?15:26
ogra_(at least the icons are ... not sure the connection actually does after all)15:26
lauriIt's pretty unusable, Internet browsing unusable15:26
ogra_start with filing a bug15:26
lauriwell, there is dozens of them on Meizu PRO 515:27
ogra_(i seem to have no issues despite the icons changing or canishing)15:27
lauribasically nothing works as expected15:27
ogra_*vanishing15:27
lauriapps are crashing, UI is sluggish, memory usage high, Internet connection drops, etc15:28
ogra_awe_, ^^ do we have any explicit NM bugs open for the pro5 ?15:28
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awe_ogra_, not that I'm aware of...15:29
ogra_connections are definitely rather jumpy ...15:30
awe_ogra_, that sounds like a modem issue though; NM doesn't have anything to do with the bearer technology15:30
ogra_(for non wlan )15:30
ogra_ah15:30
awe_ogra_, also.. I was never given one, so can't be of much help15:30
ogra_ouch !15:30
awe_might want to check with abeato15:30
lauriAre modem firmware updates also delivered over the air updates?15:31
awe_no15:31
lauriand when can we expect next update for  PRO5?15:31
awe_OTA update?15:31
awe_when OTA12 is released15:31
ogra_OTAs come every 6 weeks15:31
ogra_but i dont think anyone is aware of modem firmware issues ... so you would firsthave to report them, and then someone debug and fix it15:32
lauriwhenever I call with Meizu PRO5 the other end says they can't hear me well15:37
lauriin the browser GIF-s trigger wierd artifacts so whole page fills with garbage15:38
lauriI mean the list is pretty much endless15:38
ogra_dunno, doesnt feel like that to me ... and i use it as my daily driver15:41
lauriogra_: Which OS version you have installed?15:41
lauriOTA-11?15:41
ogra_there are definitely issues (and they are expected) ... but i would surely not cal it "andless"15:41
ogra_*endless15:41
ogra_i'm on rc-proposed ... so i should have what you get with the next OTA15:42
lauriogra_: How do I install/enable that?15:42
ogra_well, i think the next OTA is due next week, you should only run rc-proposed if you can manage issues like an unbootable device if something breaks etc15:43
laurialrighty, I guess I can wait until next week :D15:43
ogra_have a look at the system-image-cli command on th device ... specifically at the --switch option15:43
ogra_it lets you switch back and forth between channels15:43
laurithanks15:44
mardyseb128: hi! I'm stealing bug 1289401 from you, do you mind?15:54
mardyseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/+bug/128940115:54
ubot5bug 1289401 in ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts (Ubuntu) ""Accounts" has an inappropriate icon" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128940115:54
seb128mardy, oh, please do15:55
mariogripmhall119: how did it go?16:01
mhall119mariogrip: still trying to get the phone to charge, it evidently didn't like the cable it was on16:02
mariogripmhall119: ack16:03
mhall119just blinking red now16:03
mivoligo___jhodapp hi! Can an app get info about what Music app is playing?16:23
jhodappmivoligo___, not currently, I just landed some changes that enable MPRIS support out of media-hub for use by indicator-sound, but this has not made it up to the Qt/QML layer yet16:25
mivoligo___Thanks. So there is a chance for that in the future, right? What about controlling playback, would that be allowed?16:27
ahayzeni would assume there would have to be an extra apparmour policy for it?16:28
ahayzenmaybe one with manual review... otherwise 'bad' apps can spy on what you are playing or could spam next() next() etc16:28
jhodappmivoligo___, yes that'd be something we'd add for the future (knowing what's currently playing) but controlling playback is doubtful...what's your use case for that?16:28
mariogripmhall119: i see one minor problem, it does not charge correcly in ubuntu, so if you have low battery it will die pretty quick16:29
mivoligo___jhodapp, someone reported this bug/enhancement for Night Clock and I was wondering if I'll be able to implement this https://bugs.launchpad.net/night-clock/+bug/159645716:30
ubot5Launchpad bug 1596457 in Night Clock "View "Currently playing" music track" [Wishlist,New]16:30
jhodappmivoligo___, so they want it just as a slightly more interesting space filler for your app?16:32
mivoligo___Looks like it 😀16:32
ahayzenjhodapp, well it'd be like having the info and controls on the lock screen.... but instead in the night clock16:33
jhodappahayzen, right16:33
ahayzenboth of which would be awesome :-)16:33
jhodappahayzen, for sure, I want media controls on the lock screen as well16:35
mhall119mariogrip: oh, right, there was something I had to do to make it charge, IIRC16:49
mariogripmhall119: it's missing the usb init on the android side, it needs to be fixed from build i think16:50
mariogripi'll upload new image soon16:50
ahoneybuno/ mariogrip16:53
mariogripahoneybun: Hey ho :D16:55
ahoneybunHeyo16:56
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aquilesHii17:28
aquilesSomeone knows if facebook-purple works with pidgin in ubuntu touch ?17:29
dobeyif it works on a PC, it should work ok when running pidgin in libertine i guess. but i wouldn't recommend running pidgin on your phone17:33
aquilesWhy not?17:35
aquilesI already  install pidgin with libertine but then I'm unable  to use the aplication because libertine don't have a keyboard on screen for legacy apps17:39
dobeybecause pidgin isn't designed to be useful on touch-input devices. and i think the x apps running under libertine still are confined by the application life cycle17:45
mhall119aquiles: osk works in rc-proposed channel now17:45
aquilesThanks, mhall11917:47
aquilesRight now I and others don't have any option to use facebook and whatsapp in Ubuntu touch17:54
aquilesOnly can works with pidgin maybe17:54
aquilesI has read about the possibility to port loqui im from firefox os to Ubuntu touch17:56
aquilesAny comment about that?17:56
dobeyi don't think it will provide a satisfactory solution for most people who use whatsapp17:57
dobeybut if the firefox-spcific pieces can be replaced so that it runs under cordova, it could be a standard html5 app in the store17:57
aquilesFor me it will be very satisfactory if just works17:59
aquilesI liked telegram18:00
aquilesBut my family and friends all use whatsapp18:00
aquilesFacebook same story18:01
aquilesI don't bleave that facebook and whatsapp will do official apps for ubuntu touch18:02
aquilesNot for now18:02
bregmathey can't own your system, so probably never18:02
aquilesBut we need alternatives18:03
dobeyyou will have to manually refresh whatsapp to get new messages18:03
dobeythey don't support push notification on ubuntu18:03
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dobeytelegram is an alternative. signal is an alternative. sms is an "alternative" :P18:04
mhall119mariogrip: sorry, had to drop out, the mounting explosion of dialogs killed me18:06
aquilesYeah18:06
mariogripmhall119: my network died18:07
mariogripmhall119: did it mount eveything :P18:08
mhall119heh, perfectly times failures then :)18:08
mhall119mariogrip: it ws trying to18:08
mhall119then the phone battery died18:08
mariogrip:P evil bug18:08
aquilesDobey, do you if someone is interested to port loqui im to Ubuntu touch?18:09
aquiles*know18:09
dobeyaquiles: there has been discussion of it on github18:09
aquilesOkay18:11
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mariogripmhall119: seems that i found out what memory/panic issue was19:39
mariogripmhall119: humm, runst pretty well now :D19:42
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mariogripmhall119: is it ok that i send it to you as an .img?19:48
mariogripit's easier that way, or i can make an easier way to push to the server19:49
mariogrip(if you want to wait)19:49
mhall119mariogrip: sure20:02
mariogripmhall119: uploading the .img now20:04
mhall119to the system image server?20:06
mariogripto you20:07
mariogrip /my dropox20:08
mariogripso you can flash using a simple script20:08
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mariogripso, just to clarify how the "temp fix" work, when you look the screen it looks like it freezes but the phone "thinks" the screen is on. so if the screen "freezes" just press the power button to wake it up20:09
mariogriplock not look***20:09
mariogripmhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/fp2-mhallfix.tar.xz20:10
mariogripand just run the script that is with it from recovery, ./replace-android-system system.img20:11
mariogripbut, here mobile network does not work, it was something with it that caused the "kernel panic"20:12
mhall119that's okay, until the screen issue is fixed I won't be leaving wifi range with it anyway :)20:14
mariogripmhall119: :)20:14
mhall119mariogrip: ok, ran the script, how do I tellif it worked?20:16
mariogripit reboots20:16
mhall119it did, and I'm in ubuntu20:16
mariogrip:D20:16
mhall119no wifi though20:17
mhall119no charging when connected to USB on my laptop either20:18
mariogriphum? both does for me, humm let me try installing from the server and reproduse what you did20:18
mariogripgot adb?20:19
mhall119while the batter lasts20:19
mhall119the indicator shows it in flight mode,but the switch for that is off20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDhi20:22
mhall119screen lag is still there too, so I will need that newer hardware anyway20:23
mariogripmhall119: are you sure it's just not "locking" the device? it looks like it freezes then20:25
mhall119might be20:26
mariogripnevermind, it just did it to me now20:26
mhall119mariogrip: I've got to run out for a bit, but I'll be around later20:26
mariogripmhall119: I'll get everything working untill ur back :D :D20:26
skay_has anyone had a problem with the m10 freezing up when plugging ina  speaker jack?21:04
skay_it happened the first time I tried it. did not happen again right after21:04
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mariogripmhall119: back?22:50
mariogripmhall119: btw, here is the newest image (with wifi and cell) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/FP2.tar.xz23:34
mariogripremeber to flash boot.img23:34
mariogripbtw, they are also on the system-server23:34
mariogripyou need to flash boot.img anyway23:34
SebthreeBQM10HDmariogrip, image for what? or of what?23:39
mariogripSebthreeBQM10HD: fairphone 223:47
SebthreeBQM10HDmariogrip, oh right I see23:50
SebthreeBQM10HDmariogrip, are you the guy doing unoffical ports to other phones?  yeah?23:50
mariogripSebthreeBQM10HD: Jup23:50

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