[03:25] <diddledan> birds are noisy
[03:26] <zmoylan-1i> they need quieter keyboards for their tweeting
[06:16] <mapps> hi all
[06:56] <diplo> Morning all
[07:15] <MooDoo> morning
[07:15] <popey> Morning!
[07:15] <MooDoo> :)
[07:22] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:32] <MooDoo> you ok knightwise
[07:37] <popey> welp. https://dwq4do82y8xi7.cloudfront.net/dailyfx/widgetembed/?symbol=FX%3AGBPUSD&interval=M&hidesidetoolbar=0&symboledit=1&toolbarbg=f4f7f9&studies=&hideideas=1&theme=White&timezone=exchange&studies_overrides=%7B%7D&overrides=%7B%7D&enabled_features=%5B%5D&disabled_features=%5B%5D&locale=en&utmsource=www.dailyfx.com&utmmedium=www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd
[07:40] <MooDoo> popey: I went to new york nov 2007, but different back then
[07:47] <SuperMatt> popey: don't worry, boris promised he'd apologise if the economy collapsed. Just like he promised all those other things
[07:47] <popey> hehe
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> !politics
[07:48] <TwistedLucidity> :-P
[07:50] <TwistedLucidity> popey: That's going to hit my employer hard, most of or works is in North America/Canada
[07:50] <TwistedLucidity> "...of our work..."
[08:03] <diplo> Guys, having loads of issues with our broadband at work, keeps disconnecting... up until recently we've not had a phone plugged in ( still the same issues ) but when it disconnects if we go down and pick the phone up it connects back to the net
[08:03] <diplo> Is this sounding like a failing filter or more like an ISP/Connection issue?
[08:05] <SuperMatt> Is this the 90s?
[08:05] <SuperMatt> but it sounds like the filter
[08:06] <TwistedLucidity> Unplug the phone and see if the problem goes away>
[08:07] <diplo> Its only just been plugged in TwistedLucidity
[08:07] <diplo> SuperMatt: bloomin feels like it
[08:07] <diplo> We've already ordered a filter from Amazon, no one stocks one round here close by
[08:08] <diplo> Brand new router too as the ISP was blaming that
[08:08] <TwistedLucidity> Oh righty. Sorry, thought the problems only started *after* the phone when in. Dunno then. Call the telephone provider and ask for a line check?
[08:09] <diplo> Yeah they reckon it's something internal :P so ticking off ALL boxes before we have someone out
[08:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:49] <knightwise> morning bro
[08:49] <knightwise> brobostigon:
[08:50] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:58] <knightwise> how are you doing dude
[09:01] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[09:03] <knightwise> doin ok :) kinda tired of all of this brexit news.
[09:06] <Myrtti> just the news? that's good
[09:06] <knightwise> :)
[09:06] <knightwise> AND the whole soccer news
[09:06]  * knightwise is getting fedd up with mainstream media alltoghether.
[09:06]  * popey has BBC Parliament on in the background
[09:07] <knightwise> i think i'm turning into a digitally overconnected hermit
[09:07] <popey> quite fun hearing the various European council members throwing rocks
[09:08] <knightwise> I am reminded of George carlins quote : never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups
[09:09] <popey> The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
[09:09] <popey> -- Winston Churchill
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday and happy International Body Piercing Day! 😃
[09:10] <knightwise> popey: true.
[09:10] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the others (also Winston Churchill IIRC)
[09:13] <knightwise> I think most countries these days are in a media-ocracy
[09:13] <knightwise> where public perception (and direction of votes) is governed by he who controls the media.
[09:15] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: I'd say a demogaogic plutocracy.
[09:17] <popey> I love that european parliament people call Nigel Farage "Mister Farridge"
[09:18] <TwistedLucidity> When did they call him that? He was never there!
[09:19] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: he's there at the meeting this morning
[09:19] <TwistedLucidity> That's (almost) a first
[09:22] <davmor2> JamesTait: this is cheekier than normal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylGkm2EHHvE
[09:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, next in the playlist is Don't Fear the Reaper.  Letting it play on....
[09:36] <JamesTait> Oh, and All Along the Watchtower!
[09:36]  * JamesTait hugs davmor2 for kicking this off.
[09:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[09:39] <knightwise>  JamesTait that song reminds me of "Battlestar Galactica"
[09:41] <davmor2> knightwise: Which?
[09:43]  * JamesTait was wondering the same.
[09:46] <knightwise> the new series
[09:46] <knightwise> all along the watchtower is used in the last season as a major item in the plot
[09:48] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1__dINxiXU
[09:48] <knightwise> (nospoilers)
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> Season 5 didn't happen. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
[10:13] <TwistedLucidity> I quite like the new theme for BSG. Such a shame the series went off the rails
[10:28] <davmor2> knightwise: that is the most awful version of that song I think I have ever heard
[10:30] <davmor2> knightwise: also that really isn't battlestar galatica this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHp9oZPqs8E :)  which is possibly what threw me and JamesTait
[10:42] <MooDoo> :)
[10:54] <knightwise> davmor2: agree  I love the 80's soundtrack too
[10:54] <knightwise> but the reboot was actually very nice
[10:57] <davmor2> knightwise: here's some soap, here's some water, go wash your mouth out with it till you realise that few reboots are as good as the original, they would of been better off calling it something completely different ;)
[10:59] <knightwise> davmor2: thats harsh ! BSG-reboot (or re-imagining) was quite entertaining.
[10:59] <knightwise> Or am I to assume that you file Battelstar Galactica 1980 under "Good Tv"
[10:59] <foobarry> waiting to be the 4M signature on that petition
[11:01] <davmor2> knightwise: it was great, it just wasn't battlestar galatica :)  they could of called it battlestar crypton and it just been another ship escape and I would of been happy :)
[11:09] <knightwise> davmor2: true.  That being said the "2000 reboo" would also have worked if they did the entire series around teh pegassus
[11:10] <davmor2> knightwise: indeed
[11:10] <knightwise> i kinda hated bsg1980. it was too cheezy and I HATED that docter whatshisname kid
[11:10] <knightwise> ps : there IS a movie about the story of the pegassus in "RAZOR"
[11:41] <daftykins> YAY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_lock#International_Caps_Lock_Day
[11:43] <davmor2> daftykins: SHUT UP
[11:43] <daftykins> ;_;
[11:52] <davmor2> daftykins: here have a cookie
[11:52] <daftykins> YAY!
[11:53] <bittin> THATS TODAY I BETTER PRESS THE CAPS LOCK KEY THEN
[11:54] <davmor2> daftykins: you see what you started
[11:54] <daftykins> 8D
[11:54] <daftykins> it's better than certain political topics *cough*
[11:54] <daftykins> ooh-err digitalocean's site doesn't list the new 3.13.0-91 kernel yet
[11:56] <TwistedLucidity> In other key realted news, I finallyfixedmyspacebar
[11:56] <davmor2> daftykins: certain political topics, I just thought Topics were tasty chocolate bars with lots of nuts maybe I'm wrong
[11:56] <daftykins> mmm if only they were cheaper
[11:57] <TwistedLucidity> Loads of nuts in politics too
[11:57] <davmor2> daftykins: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mars-Topic-Chocolate-Bars-Full/dp/B009AZIN96 see I'm right
[11:59] <daftykins> 76p each!
[11:59]  * daftykins does a Ken Bruce
[12:05] <daftykins> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Topic-47-Bar-Pack-36/dp/B003TCQCDK/
[12:05] <daftykins> hrmmmm
[12:06] <daftykins> oh dear oh dear, i think it's a low i shouldn't entertain, to order multipacks of chocolate bars off amazon
[12:24] <diddledan> MORNING
[12:26] <davmor2> diddledan: no need to shout ;)
[12:29]  * diddledan plays the original BSG theme from earlier
[13:33] <diddledan> fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL9q2lOZ1Fw
[13:35] <daftykins> ooh
[13:41] <daftykins> little bit concerning how long it took them to be denied on the social side
[13:45] <diddledan> aye
[13:48] <davmor2> daftykins: if you have a badge you can walk around most places as long as it looks vaguely like a visitors badge :)
[13:53] <daftykins> well they didn't get that far in that one
[14:08] <diplo> Few people I follow in Twitter do this stuff as a job
[14:08] <Azelphur> I must admit I'm loving the Brexit £ crash, I literally just took a long term contract...paid in dollars
[14:08] <Azelphur> I'm getting £200/mo more than I asked for, thanks brexit :D
[14:12] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's a nice side effect for your personal circumstances. as with most things, some people benefit while others lose-out. "swings and roundabouts"
[14:12] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:12] <daftykins> http://www.qwerkywriter.com/
[14:13] <Azelphur> haha
[14:13] <diddledan> daftykins: omg that's awesome!
[14:13] <daftykins> came up in a 'how to spend it' magazine/paper clipping a client showed me
[14:13] <daftykins> he was mostly showing me one of those 'levitating speaker' things... *groan*
[14:14] <diddledan> those are silly
[14:14] <diddledan> steampunk however is awesome
[14:14] <TwistedLucidity> How to break into almost anywhere: boiler suit (grubby), big boots, hard had, gloves, a machine going "beep", anxious look and (most importantly) gas mask in one hand.
[14:15] <daftykins> perhaps, but if i were manning the ice cream van i'd be giving you a stern look
[14:15] <daftykins> :D
[15:03] <diddledan> ms news site is down for me: news.microsoft.com
[15:03] <daftykins> ok here
[15:04] <diddledan> this is what I see https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZDDSQFwR/2016-06-28%20(2).png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6A5FeDUm/2016-06-28.png
[15:05] <daftykins> yep same IP here
[15:06] <daftykins> interesting that FF screws up the pics under the "Highlights" section though
[15:06] <daftykins> they're like blinds that someone hasn't rolled down to the bottom :D
[15:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:18] <daftykins> ugh, someone needs a temporary ban
[15:18] <daftykins> tabland: sort it out!
[15:21] <diplo> joins and quits?
[15:22] <daftykins> mmhmm, and no i don't want to hide them :)
[15:22] <diplo> heh I miss them sometimes when hidden, but the majority of thetime I don't
[15:22] <daftykins> it's important when you give support and stuff, no good helping when they've left!
[15:24] <diplo> tab their name, if it doesn't work they've gone :)
[15:24] <daftykins> not worth the time when you help 4+ at once
[15:25] <daftykins> ah well, at least that one seems to have sorted things out
[15:26] <diplo> I gave up helping in places that busy :) took over my life at times, actually rarely touch machines in the evenings now and only on and off during the day
[15:26] <daftykins> i agree with you there, definitely less and less worthy of time
[16:31] <diddledan> I need moar monitors
[16:31] <diddledan> 2x24inch just doesn't cut it
[16:31] <daftykins> D: sure it does :P
[16:32] <daftykins> guess not for a web dev though
[16:32] <daftykins> have you thought about using virtual desktops, if you run win10 on there?
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> you just need to make the 2 screens into a helmet so that you're even closer...
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> in the 90s i thought we'd be using vr helmets by now for day to day use.  or at least projectors to make any wall a screen...
[19:26] <Nokaji> Hi, got me a dual boot with Win8 and need to upgrade - just checking if there are likely issues with this, such as grub corruption - thanks
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, no will probably go ok :)
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what kind of lap top as well
[19:28] <daftykins> upgrading from and to what?
[19:28] <Nokaji> SebthreeBQM10HD: That would be nice :)
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and indeed
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> upgading from what to what
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> win8 to win10 I guess
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but what about ubuntu
[19:29] <daftykins> dude, spam
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dude, daftykins !
[19:29] <daftykins> ...
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !
[19:29] <daftykins> come on eh, just try and use a nice single line like this :P
[19:30] <Nokaji> 6 to 10, yup
[19:30] <Nokaji> 8.1*
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, what kind of lap top?
[19:30] <Nokaji> Ubuntu 14.4
[19:30] <Nokaji> SebthreeBQM10HD: It's my home PC
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, I dual booted Win 8 with Ubuntu 15.04  upgraded both to laters and ok.
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hp that was
[19:31] <Nokaji> self-built PC
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, as I said will probably go ok, but maybe there would be an issue with the uefi or something
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess back up, and go for it though after that the upgarding :)
[19:31] <Nokaji> I need to u/g ubuntu too but need to find out how to back up stuff as I also want to swop SSD, which might corrupt win10 when I have it
[19:32] <Nokaji> no uefi, too old on this
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows 10 gets tighed tothe computer in it's way
[19:32] <Nokaji> I've heard the ms monopoly (/license) attempts with uefi :)
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, ok if both oses are in legacy mode the old thing, I guess even more so, it will probbably work ok
[19:32] <Nokaji> legacy?
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or in your case a old bios, no uefi ?
[19:33] <Nokaji> yup, old bios, using grub
[19:33] <Nokaji> 6yrs old maybe
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as I said probably go ok the Windows
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WIndows is the one that might go wrong
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu should go and upgrade no problem
[19:33] <daftykins> Nokaji: 100% rubbish, everything is fine and easy with EFI
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, he doesn't have EFI though by the sounds of it
[19:34] <Nokaji> I can live with that - been told I can upgrade and then get a key for a frssh win install
[19:34] <daftykins> that's not the point SebthreeBQM10HD, pay attention to my phrasing... i'm not saying anything to suggest the hardware is
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, if they offered you the upgrade for free then sure you cn get win 10 upgrade
[19:35] <Nokaji> appreciate your help on this one SebthreeBQM10HD, I've got maybe 48Hrs (30th deadline) so need to act soonish, I never boot to win so just found out :)
[19:36] <Nokaji> ... they had configured my machine for auto upgrade even though I kept clicking 'no'
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Nokaji, a wINDOWS update might go over Grub? but probably not in your case. I guess that's the worst thing that might happen, but you won't know unless you try, and it will proably be all ok enough
[19:37] <daftykins> Nokaji: easily avoided
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Windows going over Grub ?
[19:37] <Nokaji> maybe i'll take the opportunity to d/l U16.4 and make a live boot, so I have more options in the rare case of a total catastrophe
[19:38] <daftykins> you can probably take action now to stop it from happening
[19:38] <Nokaji> Thanks again SebthreeBQM10HD, ... gonna run ...
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, yeah that  may happen, and he's gone now, but yes thats  why people do WIndows first usaully things like that
[19:44] <daftykins> SebthreeBQM10HD: i know you mean well but i volunteered in #ubuntu for 10 years
[19:44] <daftykins> so please, no preaching to the choir :)
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, I  helpd a lot in Ubuntu in 2008 2009 and 2010 and 2011
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and sometimes after that as well
[19:49] <daftykins> ok, but you don't need to teach me ok? just the person asking...
[19:50] <diddledan> daftykins: no teaching you unless you're wearing the schoolgirl uniform on the weekend?
[19:50] <daftykins> shh you said you'd keep that to yourself :(
[19:50] <diddledan> well I didn't mention the whip
[19:51] <daftykins> ok Danielle
[19:51] <daftykins> ...oops
[19:51] <diddledan> :-p
[19:51]  * zmoylan-pi pushes the flying goggles and celery under the desk with my foot...
[19:52] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and the egg whisk?
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> i'm not depraved!!!
[19:53] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi confirmed - https://youtu.be/T7muPZH3ebs?t=19
[19:55] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm somewhat concerned at the speed you found that video
[19:56] <daftykins> the original seems to have gone as it goes, that one has spanish on!
[19:57] <diddledan> the lass does live shows, too, didyaknow? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSyWtESoeO
[19:57] <daftykins> yep though i hear they've not quite worked out autographs yet
[19:58] <diddledan> lol
[19:58] <diddledan> just use a printer?
[19:58] <diddledan> or maybe a plotter
[19:58] <daftykins> "now hiring: permanent printer technician to handle the constantly clogging Hatsune Miku autograph unit"
[19:58] <diddledan> lol
[19:59] <diddledan> gotta love Japanese cultural contribution though
[20:00] <diddledan> I would love to visit Japan
[20:00] <daftykins> i feel like it'd be a nightmare to navigate but yeah, be neat that
[20:00] <daftykins> a mate who just finished a PhD in Physics is going again next month for a job interview, he's already done 2 or 3 stints in research over in Tokyo
[20:01] <diddledan> nice
[20:02] <daftykins> he just paid £80 to bind his thesis >_<
[20:02] <daftykins> fancy gold type on the front and spine, needed some greek letters :>
[20:02] <diddledan> dang. whoever said academics was cheap?!
[20:02] <daftykins> ikr
[20:03] <diddledan> I love how academic papers are free for use but you need to pay to get a copy
[20:03] <diddledan> i.e. the papers are free but the magazines that publish them aren't
[20:04] <diddledan> totally needs a journal to be created by stallman
[20:04] <daftykins> he'd have to bug someone else to go online with a GUI browser, fetch them... feed his parrot... and numerous other things to get that working, though
[20:05]  * diddledan pets dicky
[20:05] <diddledan> bless his beardy neck
[20:27] <diddledan> what are all these messages to the ubuntu-server list that say "this is a request to make foo available to the git based merge process"?
[20:28] <diddledan> e.g. "This is a request to make pacemaker and dlm available for the git based merge process."
[20:35] <daftykins> hmm my old desktop doesn't like life now it's been replaced, doesn't it always go that way :)
[21:06] <diddledan> nutjob of the month goes to this man: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/28/florida-man-sues-apple-1992-invention/
[21:06] <daftykins> :D
[21:06] <daftykins> bold indeed
[21:21] <diddledan> weird. batman v superman is available to buy on windowsstore but itunes says it isn't to be released until the 17th July
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> they never expected anyone to see it in windows store... :-P
[22:13] <daftykins> hmm trawling the local trade site for fun, there's a Surface Pro 2 for £350 going
[22:14] <daftykins> also a couple of nvidia GTX 980Ti cards now the folks realise they're rubbish ;D
[22:31] <poppy> help
[22:32] <daftykins> what's up?
[22:33] <daftykins> ask away on one line with details if it's Ubuntu
[22:37] <diddledan> heh, I thought that was the other guy (Alan)
[22:37] <diddledan> I decided not to say his nick due to being about him rather than to him :-p
[22:37] <diddledan> that way he won't get his nickhighlight pinging in his pocket
[22:38] <daftykins> me too!
[22:38] <diddledan> how dare people use names similar to other people that they don't even know exist!!
[22:39] <diddledan> new winsider build downloading \o/
[22:39] <daftykins> :o
[22:40] <daftykins> i heard a rumour of early August for the anniversary build
[22:40] <diddledan> yeah I seem to recall august too
[22:42] <diddledan> hah @ the store entry for the store - they didn't screenshot it:  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JcfaGgmp/2016-06-28%20(3).png
[22:43] <daftykins> :D
[22:43] <daftykins> poppy: *boop*
[22:44] <daftykins> oops
[22:44] <daftykins> it wasn't me!
[22:47] <diddledan> I've sent that screenie to the feedback app and informed them
[22:47] <diddledan> if you are on windas: feedback-hub:?contextid=334&feedbackid=d5775b61-eabc-4886-970a-2b792b414df0&form=1&src=2
[22:47] <diddledan> that should be linkified
[22:47] <daftykins> :D
[22:48] <daftykins> in run? it doesn't know what to do with that'un
[22:48] <diddledan> weird
[22:48] <diddledan> try it in edge
[22:48] <daftykins> naw bing
[22:48] <diddledan> odd
[22:49] <daftykins> i don't run insider though, so perhaps it's 'cause i don't have the app
[22:49] <diddledan> aah
[22:49] <daftykins> it did offer to run the store to make use of it :>
[22:49] <diddledan> isn't the feedback app supposed to be available everywhere now?
[22:51] <diddledan> right that’s my windows machine installing the new build
[22:51] <diddledan> now I’m on my maclintosh
[22:52] <daftykins> does it run its' own email against outside advice?
[22:52] <daftykins> 8D