[00:01] <clivejo> well FW5.23, Plasma 5.6.5 have been very stable for me
[00:01] <clivejo> Apps Ive just added so, cant comment just yet
[00:01] <clivejo> but Im very happy that korganiser isnt crashing all the time
[00:02] <valorie> I'm adding both frameworks and plasma, because I figure that they go together
[00:03] <clivejo> valorie: no need to
[00:03] <valorie> boo, still just a gray screen
[00:04] <clivejo> Phil moved them to landing
[00:04] <valorie> I see the lovely kubuntu logo pulsing, then nothing
[00:04] <clivejo> just double check in kinfo
[00:04] <valorie> all I have is terminal
[00:13] <valorie> I have a feeling this is a driver that got changed or something
[00:13] <valorie> phooey
[00:14] <valorie> I'm going to turn on the tv, eat and drink wine
[00:14] <valorie> and not think about it for a few mins
[06:09] <acheronuk> clivejo: patch on kdebaseapps is superfluous now, yes
 Anyone able to test apps 16.04.2 on yakkety yak ?
[10:12] <soee_> mamarley, acheronuk ^
[10:15] <mamarley> I have installed them.  No problems to report; everything seems fine. :)
[10:16] <soee_> clivejo: ^
[10:19] <clivejo> anyone understand this bug? LP 1505014
[10:29] <soee_> shouldnt thsi be in new app ?
[10:29] <soee_> 16.04 fixed
[10:29] <clivejo> soee_: thats what Im checking
[10:29] <clivejo> doesnt appear to be fixed
[10:29] <soee_> still requires installing ffmpegthumbnailer or somethig similar ?
[10:29] <clivejo> the forum posts seem to indicate that its a packaging bug
[10:30] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/267599703/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ffmpegthumbs_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:32] <soee_> where is the problem exactly ? :)
[10:32] <soee_> clivejo: do you have it installed (apps 16.04.2) ? 
[10:33] <clivejo> yes
[10:33] <clivejo> soee_: thats what Im trying to figure out
[10:33] <soee_> clivejo: in Dolphin settings -> Services 
[10:33] <soee_> do you have an entry to enable video thumbs and it is checked ?
[10:33] <clivejo> it doesnt seem to be working in dolphin
[10:35] <soee_> uhm
[10:36] <soee_> in Neon with apps 16.04.1 it doesnt work either
[10:53] <acheronuk> apps seemed to upgrade OK in a VM
[10:55] <clivejo> indeed, Im liking apps 16.04.2
[10:55] <clivejo> no more crashes
[10:55] <soee_> clivejo: backport ? :)
[10:56] <yofel> I see what's wrong
[10:56] <clivejo> acheronuk: does your thumbs for clips in dolphin work?
[10:56] <yofel> qt-kde-team/2/dhmk.pl < find the error
[10:57] <clivejo> Im bumped it to version 3
[10:57] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/268518657/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.ffmpegthumbs_4%3A16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:57] <yofel> still not working?
[10:57] <clivejo> waiting to publish 
[10:57] <acheronuk> clivejo: dunno. I never use those
[10:57]  * clivejo ticks
[10:57] <soee_> be sure to check Vieo previews in Dolphin settings to test it i think
[10:58] <clivejo> soee_: I have
[10:58] <clivejo> but theres an issue with ffmpegthumbs
[10:58] <soee_> ok
[10:58] <clivejo> I think it was because it was being told to build the wrong version#
[10:59] <acheronuk> never seen the point in those thumbnails much, anyway
[10:59] <clivejo> can be useful to some
[10:59] <soee_> yup
[10:59] <clivejo> I do a bit of VHS to DVD converting and its hardy to spot clips
[10:59] <clivejo> bandy
[10:59] <clivejo> handy
[11:00] <acheronuk> lol
[11:00] <clivejo> grrr
[11:00] <clivejo> dont laugh at me!
[11:00] <clivejo> :P
[11:00] <acheronuk> I do it enough!
[11:00] <clivejo> another off day it seems!
[11:00] <acheronuk> typos, that is
[11:01] <acheronuk> I'm bad at those, so laughing at myself as well
[11:01] <clivejo> Im still recovering after yesterday
[11:11] <soee_> clivejo: final decision if we can move 5.6.5 to backports ?
[11:15] <clivejo> Ive no objections, just make sure its tested
[11:16] <soee_> yofel: ^
[11:16] <clivejo> FFS LP why are you soooooo slow!
[11:19] <davmor2> clivejo: possibly because of the millions of pages it hosts, all the code, blueprints, bugs, release frameworks oh and 1000's of users at anyone time, but other than that, possibly the connection too
[11:20] <clivejo> davmor2: it seems to be just the publishing part of it
[11:20] <sitter> everything before the connection argument is an excuse
[11:20] <soee_> clivejo: did you find time to package this communicator client you ltalked about ?
[11:21] <clivejo> soee_: nope
[11:21] <soee_> clivejo: ok
[11:21] <clivejo> I was sitting in a hospital most of the day yesterday
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hi all
[11:22] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:22] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[11:49] <soee_> BluesKaj: got Yakkety ?
[11:51] <davmor2> sitter: not an excuse just potential reasons for it going slow
[11:51] <BluesKaj> not right now ...my install totally broke and I couldn't rescue it to my satisfaction, it was a mess so i'm on xenial atm
[11:51] <BluesKaj> soee_:  ^
[11:51] <soee_> :D
[11:52] <BluesKaj> the yakkety ubiquity installer is still crashing in the dailies byw
[11:52] <BluesKaj> btw
[11:56] <BluesKaj> I'm very disappointed in the fact that ubiquity crashes is a well known problem but still exists in the daily images
[12:03] <yofel> oh right, there was that slideshow, let me remove that (assuming that'll help)
[12:03] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: the installer needs to be ported to PyQt5 to fix that properly
[12:04] <mparillo> BluesKaj: The current crash in Ubiquity is related to the slide show, right? There was a work-around posted maybe a week ago.
[12:04] <acheronuk> mparillo: yes, you can remove the slideshow package before you launch the installer
[12:05] <acheronuk> that at least allows the installer to complete
[12:05] <DarinMiller> G'Morning!
[12:05] <yofel> moin
[12:05] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: sudo apt purge ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> mparillo:  I don't know what the cause is , but it's kind of difficult to remove the slideshoe from a live dvd
[12:11] <BluesKaj> DarinMiller: ^
[12:12] <yofel> you'll have to run the installer from a live session
[12:13] <yofel> I removed the slideshow now, but I'm not sure if tomorrow's image will already have it removed
[12:14] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: the live session terminal is bit of fun also as it defaults a really nice font, but does not correctly show the cursor position.  Once updates-landing is added terminal session is usable again.
[12:16] <yofel> o.O
[12:20] <BluesKaj> well, i just sed'd my sources.list from xenial to yakkety and yakkety appears to have upgraded successfully ... so far
[12:21] <BluesKaj> we'll find out on the reboot 
[12:29] <DarinMiller> oh oh, either Blueskaj  has a slow computer or his upgrade did not go well....
[12:29] <DarinMiller> oh there he is.
[12:30] <DarinMiller> BluesKaj: I did not know that one could upgrade to the next release just by sed'ing the sources.list file. Good to know.
[12:33] <jimarvan> whazup peeps? :D
[12:35] <BluesKaj> odd, underscore isn't showing in the terminals but it seems be there 
[12:36] <BluesKaj> ran lsb_release -a and the comand gave the correct output 
[12:36] <BluesKaj> command even
[12:41] <soee_> yofel: will you push 5.6.5 to backports ?
[12:42] <yofel> might as well if nobody else has any intention of testing it
[12:51] <yofel> soee_: done
[12:55] <soee_> yofel: thank you, will you alos post some news on website ?
[12:55] <yofel> talk to the web team
[12:55] <yofel> ahoneybun: ^
[12:56] <yofel> (update contains plasma 5.6.5 and frameworks 5.23)
[13:12] <acheronuk> and wait for the LP publisher again....
[13:28] <clivejo> acheronuk: mind testing that new ffmpegthumbs package
[13:28] <clivejo> see if the thumbs are working
[13:29] <clivejo> looks like another in/out day
[13:30] <acheronuk> clivejo: I shall try if I can find a quick sample vid to DL to the VM and try it on
[13:30] <clivejo> thanks :)
[13:30] <clivejo> you're a star!
[13:30] <clivejo> I literally waiting on water to heat, to have a shower before heading out again
[13:39] <acheronuk> clivejo: not working on a couple of sample mp4s
[13:40] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/FeSxv1kGaSL
[13:40] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/yP6TrmS.png
[13:40] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.6.5 seems to be quite stable so far btw
[13:41] <BluesKaj> on Yakkety
[13:51] <ahoneybun> mm? soee_?
[13:58] <soee_> ahoneybun: please post some info on the website about Plasma 5.6.5 and Frameworks 5.23 in backports
[13:58] <ahoneybun> are they in?
[13:59] <soee_> yes https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports?field.series_filter=xenial
[14:03] <ahoneybun> soee_: I
[14:03] <ahoneybun> I'll put something together
[14:10] <ahoneybun> clivejo: holy crap they fixed the currency bug!
[14:11] <KurousagiMK2> ffmpegthumbs from Kubuntu CI Unstable work on Yakkety http://imgur.com/02uHqnn
 So KDE wants to do LTS releases
 It might be a good idea us for 16
 16.04
[14:55] <yofel> I already replied to that
[14:56] <yofel> feel free to add anything you think I missed
[14:56] <yofel> and that will only matter for us for 18.04, 16.04 is out and on Plasma 5.5
[15:01] <yofel> (just for the IRC record: I agree that it would be a good idea)
[15:19] <yofel> hm.... actually. If 5.8 becomes LTS, that would be a great point to freeze our 16.04 backports at
[15:20] <yofel> and do the same for every intermittent LTS in the future
 how can I get the list of packages that are to be installed as a dependency when I install something?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> IrcsomeBot:  install muon and use it as a depends reference
 Rofl
 I'm testing Internet LTE
 50 Mb upload and 8Mb download
 Eh 50 download and 8 upload
 I need a script to extract the dependencies that are not installed of gcc, install gcc, install some python modules, uninstall gcc and the found dependencies
[16:42] <marco-parillo> apt-cache depends PACKAGENAME
 Cheaper than weird that is mac 10
 maarco-parillo that only brings the imediate (direct) dependencies
[16:43] <marco-parillo> Surely there is an -r --recursive option ;-)
[16:45] <marco-parillo> --recurse
[16:47] <marco-parillo> apt-cache --recurse depends gcc got me a lot of output. I am not sure I could make sense of it.
[16:47] <acheronuk> or perhaps 'apt-get install gcc -s'
[16:48] <acheronuk> does a dry run, including listing all packages that would be installed and configured, but does not do it
 I can compare the apt-cache outputi with what's installed already
 but that I believe brings in more than what apt install gcc would bring, I believe
 apt install gcc -s seems better
 counting ...
[16:50] <acheronuk> messy output for what you want, but could be filtered/parsed
 final result: apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -c6- | cut -f 1 -d " " | sort
 thank you
 even better: apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -f 2 -d " " | sort
 removed one cut
[16:55] <BluesKaj> muon works without all the hassle :-)
[16:56] <acheronuk> BluesKaj: not that you can use for a script though
[16:57] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: think I'll make a note of that one-liner. could be handy :)
 now I wonder how can I pass it to apt remove
[16:58] <BluesKaj> it's quick enough and i prefer it to aliases or what i consider uneccessary key strokes
 apt-get install gcc -s | grep "Inst " | cut -f 2 -d " " > gcc-deps.txt
 I did that
 BluesKaj, but can you run it on a server?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> my server is just media stuff 
[17:01] <BluesKaj> i'm a home user, no need for admin 
 acheronuk look:
 apt remove cat gcc-deps.txt | tr "\n" " "
 apt remove $(cat gcc-deps.txt | tr "\n" " ")
[17:04] <acheronuk> ovidiuflorin: that works? I wanted to pass a package list a while back to apt, but ended up doing it by hand.
[17:06] <acheronuk> as it was just that once
 yes
 it works
 I've just tested it
 only that I use backticks instead of $()
 but telegram made a mess of it
 so I sent it twice
[19:28] <valorie> hmmm, kde-spectacle doesn't look safe to install still: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18120096/
[19:40] <clivejo> valorie: should be okay
[19:46] <valorie> I'm a weenie with this machine, which I probably should not have put YY on
[19:47] <valorie> because now I'm afraid to upgrade
[19:47] <valorie> if I fix my broken laptop, I'll have more confidence
[19:53] <clivejo> wait, why is it version 15.12.3-0ubuntu1
[19:53] <clivejo> should be 16.04.3
[19:54] <clivejo> is this on yakkety?
[19:55] <acheronuk> yakkety without any ppas by the sound of it
[19:57] <clivejo> !info kde-spectacle
[19:57] <clivejo> oh, 16.04.3 must be in proposed
[20:00] <acheronuk> 15.12.3-0ubuntu2 in proposed? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-spectacle
[20:01] <clivejo> Im confused
[20:01] <clivejo> so very very confused
[20:04] <acheronuk> distracted sounds more like it
[20:06] <valorie> yes, YY with no PPAs
[20:06] <valorie> atm
[20:07] <yofel> valorie: that looks not fine
[20:07] <yofel> ah ok, yy
[20:08] <valorie>  which is why I did nothing
[20:08] <clivejo> kde-spectacle_16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 16.04.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1 <= 4:16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1
[20:09] <clivejo> ah
[20:09] <clivejo> grrr
[20:09] <acheronuk> I've held back from running YY on any real machine so far, as there are some odd package probs
[20:11] <valorie> it's been good so far, but I hesitate to upgrade at this point
[20:12] <acheronuk> plus I'd quite like to keep the option to add neon repos to my Xenial machines for the time being, if only for the short term to test stuff
[20:12] <valorie> I'm assuming that my gray-screen prob on the "old" laptop running YY is because of a driver issue
[20:12] <valorie> but haven't had time to investigate how to fix it
[20:12] <acheronuk> nvidia graphics at all?
[20:13] <valorie> um
[20:13] <valorie> can't remember
[20:14] <valorie> I need to take it to #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1 I think
[20:30] <jimarvan> hey peeps :D
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> Hiya jimarvan
[20:31] <jimarvan> i see lots of updates in the backports :D
[20:31] <jimarvan> sick_rimmit: feeling awesome for tomorrow? ;0
 Cool, I think I have all my gear working now, and Yofel set me up with a build server
[20:34] <jimarvan> sounds like a plan!
[20:35] <clivejo> !info libkf5grantleetheme5
[20:43] <yofel> oh lol, got auto-synced from debian :D
[20:43] <yofel> and they have no epoch, <insert scream here>
[23:08] <soee_> clivejo: ping
[23:09] <clivejo> pong
[23:09] <soee_> clivejo: this thumbnail works now ?
[23:09] <clivejo> not on mine
[23:10] <soee_> ok, clivejothere are 2 reds in Apps 16.04.2 - this is how it should be ? (kioslave, minuet)
[23:11] <clivejo> yeah
[23:11] <clivejo> they need looked at
[23:11] <soee_> clivejo: got it, can we backport it now ?
[23:13] <ahoneybun> soee_: not at the moment
[23:14] <clivejo> soee_: sure, work away
[23:14] <clivejo> Im busy for a few days
 Ok
[23:36] <clivejo> ahoneybun: reboot reboot reboot
[23:37] <clivejo> no backsies :P