[06:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:01] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:01] <diplo> Morning all
[07:02] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:17] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:20] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:21] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[07:21] <MooDoo> howdy howdy howdy
[07:22] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[08:27] <twager> Anyone tell me if a Motorola phone will mount ok in Linux?
[08:39] <knightwise> hmm. thinking of getting a fitbit to track my movements throughout the day
[08:39] <knightwise> not sure what model to get
[08:45] <popey> my son is saving up for one
[08:45] <popey> some of the kids in his class have them
[08:45] <popey> they have contests at play time
[08:45] <popey> he's looking at the fitbit charge hr
[08:46] <popey> i think
[08:47] <foobarry> i have a mi band for only £10
[08:47] <foobarry> lasts 2 months between charges
[08:48] <foobarry> does what a fitbit does
[08:56] <diplo> I have a cheaper one too foobarry ( app is called VeryFit ) it's doing its job of motivating me I guess, but do want to upgrade in the future
[08:57] <diplo> http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/garmin-vivoactive-hr-watch-extra-large-E3312150?id_colour=124&channel_code=110&s2m_product_id=190500_124&utm_source=google&_$ja=tsid:45886&gclid=Cj0KEQjw4827BRDJvpbVuKvx-rIBEiQA2_CzsP4jD3vLc3-uiCzMmPENBz-47KXYg456jo6EnXEKLKQaAh318P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds
[08:57] <diplo> Something like that one, although I've seen them quite a bit cheaper ( that was the first link )
[09:01] <knightwise> Whoah :) thats pricey
[09:01] <knightwise> the garmins are cool tough
[09:02] <knightwise> popey: i was thinking the same thing , the HR does seem pretty cool.
[09:02] <diplo> I want one to use swimming as well, I've been quite ill over the last few years and want to track my progress with exercise without making it to much of a thing
[09:02] <knightwise> that way I can track which co-workers tend to get my heartrate up during meetings
[09:04] <knightwise> As in "who stresses me out the most"
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Hug Holiday Day! 😃
[09:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dOwHzCHfgA watch out for the 80's hair
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> they won't need prisons in the future just six months unblocking the drains of the holodecks will replace a life sentence... :-P
[09:35] <JamesTait> davmor2, +1
[09:55] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise, popey: My g/f has the Charge HR. Works really well, shame no GNU/Linux support from them. Her company (USA owned) had a step challenge. 15k steps in a week. She does more than that in a day!
[09:55] <popey> TwistedLucidity: there's a fitbit app on ubuntu phone :)
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Did not know that.
[09:56] <TwistedLucidity> I'm in two minds about getting one. I'd have to remove it for most of the sports I do, so it'd miss out on all my exercise
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> Also, I'm not sure I like the idea of some company gathering that level of detail on me and no way I'd link it to my life insurance (as Prudential keep asking me about)
[10:12] <zmoylan-pi> there are 100s of ways of feeding fake data into fitness trackers.  attaching them to dogs, cats etc... :-)
[10:15] <davmor2> popey, TwistedLucidity: currently it is only a receiver not a syncer I think
[10:15] <davmor2> ie shows the data from the dashboard on the phone rather than syncing the data to the site
[10:33] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: we try to do 10k a day
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> knightwise: 2 two dogs...
[10:51] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: me too :)
[11:41] <knightwise> there
[11:41] <knightwise> rebooted the server sec
[11:41] <knightwise> damn :) had good uptime
[11:42] <MooDoo> hehe i rebooted my irc box the other day boooo
[11:43] <MooDoo> only coz i moved from a vmware host to rhel
[12:00] <knightwise> MooDoo: you running that Vm in the cloud or at home ?
[12:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: you owld slacker 'ow am ya
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: and admitting to RHEL for an irc host shame on you ;)
[12:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: and none of that it's what I use at work malarkey
[12:03] <MooDoo> knightwise: home
[12:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: I'm good thanks and no i must admit it's partly due to me wanting the RHCSA
[12:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: ohhhhhh
[12:04] <davmor2> nice
[12:04] <MooDoo> so signed up for the RH dev suite
[12:05] <MooDoo> 1 rhel license unlimited vm's :)
[12:06] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Is that the free RH dev thingy, or is it €€€€s?
[12:06] <MooDoo> TwistedLucidity: yes mate, it was $99 but now it's free as long as you sign up.
[12:10] <foobarry> MooDoo: does it give access to access.redhat.com?
[12:12] <awilkins> talk of VMs reminds me to make a Win10 VM while I still have my Win7 pro key lying around
[12:14] <awilkins> Has anyone used a Win 7 key to create a Win10 VM? Was wondering if it then refuses to activate or invalidates the Win7
[12:16] <DJones> awilkins: Don't know about win 7, Iused a Win8.1 key to reinstall without issues
[12:16] <awilkins> Ta
[12:16] <awilkins> Already had a lovely issue where I lost the machine ID from my VM and it invaidated my VM
[12:16] <awilkins> Have now backed that up...
[12:17] <awilkins> Note : Importing an OVA file into VirtualBox creates a new machine ID
[12:34] <MooDoo> foobarry: yes it does...
[12:35] <MooDoo> foobarry: it is self support though, you can't log tickets etc, but you do get all software updates
[12:35] <foobarry> thats fine. i often arrive at access.redhat KB pages and can't view them
[12:36] <MooDoo> :)
[12:48] <foobarry> The Committee has decided to defer its decision on this petition until the Government Digital Service has done all it can to verify the signatures on the petition. We have already had to remove 77,000 fraudulent signatures. The Committee wishes to make clear that, although it may choose to schedule a debate on this petition in due course, it only has the power to schedule debates in Westminster Hall
[12:48] <foobarry> – the second debating chamber of the House of Commons. Debates in Westminster Hall do not have the power to change the law, and could not trigger a second referendum.
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> MooDoo: Ta much
[12:54] <knightwise> i dont see how they are going to turn this descision around
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> They're not
[12:54] <TwistedLucidity> I watched the Holyrood debate yesterday. Rousing stuff. Right, this isn't #politics and I need lunch!
[13:17] <knightwise> hmm lunch
[13:17]  * knightwise had lunch
[13:19] <Seeker`> knightwise: they can turn it round however they like, the referendum isn't legally binding
[13:50] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/747442381608329223
[14:03] <sharwood> Hi, just setup IRC. Can anyone confirm it's working please.
[14:04] <DJones> sharwood: Nope, its not working :(
[14:04] <sharwood> lol, thanks!
[14:04] <DJones> Yeah we can see you fine
[14:05] <sharwood> just wanted to know I was up and running. :-)
[14:05] <DJones> No worries
[14:06] <DJones> Main support channel for Ubuntu issue is #ubuntu (most users), this channel is more a general chat channel
[14:26] <czajkowski> Howdy doody folks
[14:26] <czajkowski> random Q: would people be interested in kick starting the Ubuntu hours again across the country
[14:26] <czajkowski> Picking a date/time
[14:26] <czajkowski> and having a cup of tea with people who want to turn up and chat about Ubuntu
[14:26] <czajkowski> no talks, presentations
[14:26] <czajkowski> but once a month meetup and just see the community face to face
[14:36] <diplo> Problem I found with those is they suited large cities, no one really around this area
[14:36] <diplo> Enjoyed meeting you and the Alans at the BBQ though
[14:36] <diplo> Albeit that was a few years ago now
[15:31] <diddledan> this is what I was faffing-about 11 years ago: https://clustergroup.org/index.php/Main_Page
[15:32] <diddledan> I was young and naive back then
[15:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's not a question it's a trap I tell you
[16:07] <czajkowski> :(
[16:09] <Myrtti> reminder: if you ever need to buy Sugru for anything, put the pack in the fridge immediately. It keeps it fresh and usable for years after BBD
[16:10] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Mine dry old an go solid after ~1 month
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> I try to fix as many things as possible at once to use the pack up
[16:11] <TwistedLucidity> czajkowski: Not wanting to dismiss your idea, but isn't that a LUG?
[16:12] <Myrtti> TwistedLucidity: we've got a bag that's got pouches with BBD in 2013, just used one and they're still good
[16:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: I say it in the nicest possible way, but can see the inevitable can you organise one in your town city, for which I have no time :(
[16:12] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: "BBD"?
[16:12] <Myrtti> Best Before Date
[16:13] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hour
[16:13] <Myrtti> or however you acronymise it
[16:13] <TwistedLucidity> Myrtti: Oh, if the pouches are sealed; sure. Partially used....no.
[16:13] <Myrtti> they do go bad tho. and quite quickly
[16:13] <Myrtti> especially in the warm
[16:14] <czajkowski> TwistedLucidity: ^
[16:15] <TwistedLucidity> czajkowski: Thanks. Given the death of LUGs over the last few years, it's good to see some outreach going on. A shame the general public don't care about their IT. Convenience is king.
[16:15] <TwistedLucidity> Right, sun is finally out and dogs want walking.
[16:16] <czajkowski> I was about to say the SLUG meets once a month
[16:16] <czajkowski> but Twisted left
[16:18] <diddledan> czajkowski: that's an interesting idea - I like that it's pretty much informal
[16:19] <diddledan> just turn-up and talk with people
[16:26] <popey> yeah
[16:26] <popey> might do one near me
[17:14] <czajkowski> diddledan: aye exactly
[17:14] <czajkowski> figured we could do with giving the loco some CPR :)
[17:17] <mapps> hm
[17:17] <mapps> work party tonight
[17:21] <daftykins> :o
[18:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[19:33] <daftykins> so there you go, against what i considered to be conventional wisdom... a duff CMOS battery can prevent POST
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> it's fun finding out these things...
[19:42] <daftykins> :)
[19:43] <daftykins> only my old core 2 quad desktop now, but that was a new one on me
[19:43] <popey> evening slackers
[19:43] <daftykins> wb dear leader ^_^
[19:48] <diddledan> interesting: https://docs.microsoft.com/teamblog/introducing-docs-microsoft-com/?i
[19:49] <diddledan> MS are acknowledging that 15year-old code is crusty
[19:49] <daftykins> who knew?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> not Microsoft
[19:49] <diddledan> quote: "The first thing we did was evaluate our existing content infrastructure TechNet and MSDN. Both sites are built on a 10-15 year-old brittle codebase with an archaic publishing and deployment system that was never designed to run on the cloud."
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> reading microsoft help has always been horrible
[19:50] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's because it was made for IE4
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> i'm talking about the hlp files that came with vb... :-)
[19:50] <diddledan> ouch
[19:50] <diddledan> yeah those are evil
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> and the hlp files for qb which were even more archiac
[19:51] <diddledan> I bought a copy of VB6 for students way back in 1999 which came with "a copy of msdn"
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> and the physical manuals for same...
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> that's why i kept the hlp file from vb5 around.  as bad as it was it was still easier to navigate than msdn
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> and in a lot of cases more up to date...
[19:52] <diddledan> this was in chm iirc
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> that's the format
[20:08] <diddledan> why is mono shunned in a lot of linuxy circles?
[20:09] <diddledan> I think I probably knew but now I've forgotten?
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> because it's a social disease? :-P
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> because it's seen as a microsoft trojan infiltrating linux at the extreme end and just crap at the the moderate end
[20:16] <diddledan> free sstickers for developers: https://stickers.onion.io/
[20:51] <m0nkey_> any developer?
[21:05] <daftykins> seemed to require a github login, must be stealing your creds!
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> but free stickers!! :-)
[21:09] <daftykins> :D
[21:09] <daftykins> aww ok i just plugged the mains back in and nope, no POST again with a new CMOS battery
[21:09] <daftykins> can only think the mobo is losing it totally
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> do a cmos reset afterwards to be sure?
[21:09] <daftykins> i have to do that to even get POST back
[23:58] <daftykins> obscure query... anyone got a nice core 2 quad capable LGA775 motherboard knocking around spare? :)