[07:03] <ochosi> have any of you guys done some gtk3.20 testing
[07:22] <flocculant> wouldn't know where to test it from 
[07:25] <ochosi> there's a PPA for yakkety
[07:25] <ochosi> ppa:ubuntu-desktop/gtk320
[07:25] <ochosi> not for xenial (yet)
[07:26] <flocculant> ochosi: nope - not tested that 
[07:26] <flocculant> can do though :)
[07:26] <ochosi> if you do, i guess i should also give you a greybird version along with it
[07:26] <Unit193> No really? :P
[07:27] <flocculant> nope
[07:27] <flocculant> no greybird 
[07:30] <ochosi> here's a branch: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/tree/gtk3.20
[07:30] <ochosi> fwiw, i will most likely drop greybird's current versioning scheme and just align it with gtk3 release numbers
[07:30] <flocculant> I'll look later - that time of the day again
[07:31] <ochosi> that way it'll be clearer what greybird version goes with which gtk3
[07:31] <ochosi> sure, hf flocculant 
[11:10] <flocculant> mmm - stuck with the old 'what do I do with that then' when I've got it :p
[11:27] <flocculant> ochosi: didn't bother with the gtk320 ppa yet - seems to just be a bunch of unity and ubuntu packages, certainly not greybird
[12:00] <ochosi> flocculant: the ppa contains gtk3 itself, which is the important part
[12:01] <ochosi> and greybird you'll have to install from the branch i linked to above, it's basically not much more than untaring it to ~/.themes
[12:01] <ochosi> but i'm currently considering to look into backporting that gtk3 PPA to xenial so we can also test it here
[15:53] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - so some things are rather ewww at a first glance e.g. http://i.imgur.com/uNKZzpH.png
[15:55] <flocculant> indicator panel, some setting dialogues, some apps (firefox (but that's probably due to the ff which is in that ppa), synaptic, fileroller
[15:55] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/f9Mx7Lt.png kind of sums it up 
[15:56] <davmor2> flocculant: eeeewwww
[15:59] <flocculant> davmor2: but it's ok - party line is blame Canonical :p
[16:00] <davmor2> flocculant: why it's all imports from debian, blame them :D
[16:00] <flocculant> \o/
[16:00] <flocculant> personally I think I'll blame Gove :D
[16:01] <davmor2> borris 
[16:01] <flocculant> as well
[19:38] <flocculant> ochosi: though I find that if instead of grabbing that and unpacking but git clone it - not the same
[20:09] <ax562> hello
[20:10] <ochosi> hi
[20:10] <ochosi> flocculant: aha, how so?
[20:11] <flocculant> ochosi: panel is ok now
[20:11] <ochosi> flocculant: ah ok, now i looked at all your screeners. the indicator stuff is actually sorta expected
[20:11] <ochosi> really? i'm stunned
[20:11] <ochosi> what changed between "then" and "now"?
[20:12] <flocculant> I git cloned instead of downloading and unpacking, logged out - picked the cloned one
[20:12] <ochosi> you always picked the 3.20 branch though, right?
[20:13] <ochosi> cause with master it'll just look mostly fugly
[20:13] <flocculant> authenticate dialogue has no password 'box'
[20:13] <ochosi> or like the calculator, which is straight adwaita
[20:13] <flocculant> yea - not picked the normal greybird
[20:13] <flocculant> yup calc is naff
[20:13] <ochosi> yeah, i also saw more broken than working stuff tbh
[20:13] <ochosi> i wonder how ppl on github or fedora can claim that it's "ok"
[20:14] <flocculant> who knows - I'm with you on that :)
[20:14] <ax562> source is all bugered up?
[20:14] <Unit193> GTK3, so of course.
[20:16] <flocculant> ochosi: oooh - so not actually able to highlight url in browser to copy it to here lol 
[20:16] <flocculant> bear in mind - some 'new' firefox came from the ppa
[20:16] <ochosi> yeah, not sure about that one
[20:16] <ochosi> likely a build with gtk3 enabled though
[20:17] <Unit193> That's the default though...
[20:17] <flocculant> yea afaik
[20:17] <flocculant> i.imgur.com/7SMcojx.png 
[20:17] <ochosi> ah right, well maybe they adjusted some stuff for the 3.20 changes
[20:18] <ochosi> that's again adwaita
[20:18] <ochosi> which means the branch doesn't get applied at all
[20:18] <flocculant> mmm - ff is pretty lost ... 
[20:19] <ochosi> Unit193: any idea why a .changes file i supposedly successfully dput to a ppa (at least the terminal says i did, and trying again says it's already there) doesn't show up in said PPA at all?
[20:20] <flocculant> ochosi: can't cope with that - purging that ppa lol 
[20:20] <flocculant> I'll set it all up in a vm though
[20:21] <Unit193> ochosi: 1. Got an email about it?  2. Uploaded it to the right repo?  3. Do you have an .upload file next to .changes now?  4. Right release targetted?
[20:21] <Unit193> I tried it in Debian, this looks pretty normal greybird I think...
[20:21] <ochosi> 1. nope 2. i would say yes..? 3. yes 4. yup, xenial
[20:22] <Unit193> Wait a couple minutes just to make sure.
[20:22] <ochosi> i pushed it 6hrs ago...
[20:22] <Unit193> (Because, sometimes LP takes a few...Oh.)
[20:22] <ochosi> https://launchpad.net/~ochosi/+archive/ubuntu/gtk3.20 is the repo
[20:23] <ochosi> and i mean there it even tells you the instructions on how to dput
[20:23] <ochosi> so it's hard not to put it to the right repo
[20:23] <ochosi> the only thing i can think of is that the "." is not a good idea
[20:23] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~ochosi/+archive/ubuntu/gtk3.20/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[20:23] <ochosi> hardly any PPA has a dot in it (the docs state dots are ok though)
[20:24] <ochosi> no no, those are just the failed copy-rebuilds from Laney's PPA
[20:24] <ochosi> my package is -ppa2
[20:24] <ochosi> err ~ppa2
[20:24] <Unit193> Ah, OK.  So, try  dput -f  it.
[20:24] <ochosi> ok, shall i also sudo it or what..? :D
[20:25] <ochosi> i thought pushing a newer package would automatically push it above the old one
[20:25] <ochosi> and then that didn't happen so i deleted the other pkg
[20:25] <ochosi> which is why that build history is a bit misleading now
[20:26] <ochosi> ok, the output says (again) that the upload was successful
[20:27] <ochosi> alllllright, i think i might have had a problem with 2)
[20:29] <Unit193> ochosi: FWIW, I said '-f' because you already have an '.upload' file.
[20:29] <Unit193> ochosi: What is it you want a screenshot with this Greybird?
[20:29] <ochosi> yeah, i supposed so. just in a sarcastic mood since i can't seem to get something so easy to work
[20:29] <ochosi> well one thing is that i wanna find out what the current state of it is with the port of poma
[20:30] <ochosi> the other is that i need a devel environment if i shall port
[20:32] <Unit193> Any reason you can't use the other PPA?
[20:32] <ochosi> yeah, dependency on libwayland-client0 and libmirclient (or something) that doesn't work in xenial
[20:33] <ochosi> so basically i tried to just disable both backends in debian/rules and that's my "change" for building with xenial
[20:33] <Unit193> OK, that's a pretty good reason.
[20:36] <ochosi> hm, anyway, it still doesn't seem to show up there
[20:36] <ochosi> guess i'll have to wait some more
[20:36] <Unit193> ...If all else fails, tar it all up and pass it to me?
[20:37] <ochosi> ok, will do!
[20:37] <ochosi> i'd really like to learn something here though
[20:37] <ochosi> (for a change)
[20:37] <Unit193> Sure, but I'm a horrible teacher.  Also if I can poke it with a stick... :P
[20:38] <ochosi> i'm ok with learning just very little as well
[20:41] <Unit193> But nothing you specifically wanted a screenie of?
[20:41] <ochosi> well sure, if you have one available i'm interested in almost any app
[20:41] <ochosi> i tried in my yakkety vbox and everything just looked really really broken
[20:42] <ochosi> (not flocculant broken, cause that was just adwaita, i mean really broken)
[20:45] <Unit193> ochosi: https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/gtk320_greybird.png
[20:46] <ochosi> gtk3 terminal?
[20:47] <ochosi> also, could you give focus to evince? somehow it doesn't look like greybird's headerbar
[20:47] <ochosi> or maybe it does, just the disabled color is a bit blander than i remember
[20:47] <ochosi> maybe open a file so i see the scrollbar, that's usually the easiest indicator
[20:47] <ochosi> and the open-file dialog would be nice to see
[20:48] <Unit193> GTK2, not touching the GTK3 terminal yet. :P
[20:50] <ochosi> it's working really ok though
[20:50] <ochosi> i've been using it for a few weeks alredy
[20:50] <ochosi> already
[20:51] <Unit193> ...How the heck do I paste a url into evince?!  Screw it, terminal is better.
[20:53] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/evince.png https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/opendialog.png
[20:57] <ochosi> ok, both is adwaita
[20:57] <ochosi> so it's not working(tm)
[20:57] <ochosi> or if it is, it's not a port, just a copy of adwaita
[20:57] <Unit193> Really?  Adwaita is usually more childish.
[20:59] <ochosi> nope
[20:59] <ochosi> that's it's current look
[20:59] <knome> its
[20:59] <knome> :P
[21:00] <ochosi> yeah
[21:00] <ochosi> thank you for your contribution.
[21:00] <knome> you can't thank me enough.
[21:00] <ochosi> Unit193: is it possible that LP thought that i didn't change anything and consequently rejected my upload?
[21:01] <Unit193> It doesn't care.
[21:01] <ochosi> right, another thing i read in the docs...
[21:02] <ochosi> then i guess it just doesn't like me
[21:34] <ochosi> ok, on to fixing greybird with xfce4-notifyd-gtk3 and then i'll do a release of it
[22:15] <ochosi> ok, finally some support for xfce4-notifyd-gtk3 in greybird
[22:15] <ochosi> i just wonder whether any of this will still work with gtk3.20...
[22:15] <ochosi> anyway, night everyone
[22:16] <Unit193> G'nighty.
[22:41] <ax562> night