[01:50] <ahoneybun> is there a way to have different text sizes for terminal?
[01:51] <ahoneybun> 7 looks great on the N4 but I have to change it to 11 for Desktop Mode
[02:41] <Guest26657> Hello. Does anyone know on how to install Ubuntu Touch on Galaxy S5 G900i
[07:56] <Tom__> hi
[07:56] <Tom__> I
[07:56] <Tom__> I have question about VPN?
[07:57] <Tom__> Helloooooooo?
[08:03] <Tom__> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[08:03] <Tom__> I have Question
[08:04] <Tom__> ?
[08:04] <MCMic> What is the questiooooooooooooooon?
[08:04] <Tom__> ABout VPN
[08:05] <Tom__> whic VPN u recommend for phone
[08:05] <Tom__> Secure and fast
[08:10] <MCMic> What does that mean?
[08:10] <MCMic> Which VPN server software?
[08:13] <Tom__> yes
[08:13] <Tom__> MCMic yes
[08:13] <Tom__> which server u recommend
[08:14] <MCMic> Which service, like you want to rent a VPN? Or you want to install one?
[08:15] <Tom__> which of u recommend?
[08:16] <Tom__> Actually i'm new in about VPN
[08:16] <Tom__> i do't have any background
[08:16] <MCMic> It depends a lot of what you want it for, and where in the word youâ€™re gonna use it.
[08:16] <Tom__> In Malaysia
[08:17] <Tom__> secur and fasr
[08:17] <Tom__> secur and fast
[08:20] <Tom__> >
[08:20] <Tom__> ?
[08:20] <Tom__> MCMic
[08:20] <Tom__> ?
[08:21] <MCMic> Tom__: I donâ€™t know much about VPN providers, sorry. The one I use is from a small French association because I use it for french websites from Thailand where I live.
[08:21] <MCMic> I think itâ€™s secure but not that fast ^^
[08:21] <MCMic> Tom__: But Iâ€™m not sure this channel is the best place to ask this
[08:22] <Tom__> MCMic : ok Thank you
[08:22] <mcphail> Tom__: please don't spam the channel by pressing the Enter key so often. If you want to use a VPN with Ubuntu Touch, you'd be best finding a provider which supports OpenVPN. This channel will not be able to offer you a recommended provider
[08:25] <Tom__> ok
[08:25] <Tom__> ?
[08:26] <Tom__> There is a key /CLEAR
[08:26] <Tom__> just do it
[08:26] <Tom__> evrything will be okey
[08:31] <carten> hi
[08:33] <kernels5> can anyone recommend a good alternative to ubuntu touch please?
[08:34] <black_puppydog> hey all. sorry but I don't recall getting an answer to that: is there a way to change my N5 to a more up-to-date channel than stable, and are the changes in there worth it?
[08:35] <black_puppydog> kernels5: why would you ask that here? also: ubuntu touch is supposed to be the alternative to the current defaults (iOS/android)
[08:35] <kernels5> black_puppydog - theres no fixed alternative
[08:35] <kernels5> by definition
[08:35] <kernels5> there's always another alternative
[08:36] <kernels5> I have some ethical issues with ubuntu
[08:36] <MCMic> kernels5: plasma mobile? Far from finished from what I know, really early development stages
[08:36] <kernels5> yes head about that mcmic
[08:36] <kernels5> sounds interesting
[08:36] <black_puppydog> that's a tough one then. I agree, plasma. or, if your device is supported, replicant?
[08:36] <kernels5> but of course no where near ready
[08:37] <MCMic> kernels5: Or B2G which is firefoxos, but I donâ€™t like FirefoxOs ideas.
[08:37] <kernels5> do you all know about the amazon lenz scandal
[08:37] <MCMic> My biggest hope long term is definitely plasma
[08:37] <kernels5> that ubuntu engaged in
[08:37] <kernels5> very dishonest of ubuntu
[08:37] <kernels5> mine too mcmic - but we may have a long wait
[08:37] <MCMic> kernels5: You could try SHR also maybe, or that kind of distros which run on OpenMoko
[08:38] <black_puppydog> man, this is supposed to be a UT channel. you know, actually moving the project forward. not the time/place, IMHO
[08:38] <kernels5> good advice mcmic
[08:38] <kernels5> black_puppydog - we must always be able to critize
[08:39] <kernels5> ubuntu behaved VERY badley
[08:39] <kernels5> very dishonestly
[08:39] <black_puppydog> you are. and I'm telling you that I think there are more appropriate times and places to do that in my opinion
[08:39] <kernels5> and many people are not comfortable using this dishonest companys products
[08:39] <kernels5> I cant think of a more appropiate time and place than here
[08:40] <black_puppydog> mariogrip: you there? any advice on the n5 question?
[08:42] <MCMic> kernels5: This amazon stuff is a bit old no?
[08:42] <kernels5> exactly mcmic
[08:42] <kernels5> truly disgusting how ubuntu behaved
[08:43] <kernels5> and its not old
[08:43] <MCMic> It does not seem like this big of a deal to me, itâ€™s not the first ubuntu mess up and wonâ€™t be the last. Iâ€™m more concerned about the tendency of uTouch to support gapps protocol rather than open protocols for instance
[08:43] <kernels5> only a few years
[08:43] <kernels5> strange defence - "they did wrong but they will do wrong again"
[08:43] <MCMic> A few years means what needed to be said about it must have been said
[08:44] <MCMic> What I mean is I donâ€™t get why you talk about this particular issue which is years old.
[08:44] <kernels5> because it was a show of disgusting greed and corruption
[08:44] <MCMic> Itâ€™s much more constructive to criticize stuff happenning this day if you intend to be constructive
[08:45] <kernels5> the owners of ubuntu showed that they would put personal profit FAR beyond the respect to their customers
[08:45] <seb128> yeah, because at least apple and google doesn't send any data only to any of their servers
[08:45] <kernels5> again an odd defence
[08:45] <MCMic> kernels5: But the owner of ubuntu are not on this chan
[08:46] <seb128> like siri totally does the recognition locally
[08:46] <MCMic> kernels5: What is the purpose on insisting on this?
[08:46] <kernels5> "ubunt did evil - but other companies do evil too - so its ok!"
[08:46] <seb128> he's trolling
[08:46] <seb128> just /ignore him
[08:46] <kernels5> seb im not trolling - i guess even saying thyat will only reinforce your prejudice
[08:46] <MCMic> No one said it was ok. Anyway, moving on.
[08:47] <kernels5> "It does not seem like this big of a deal to me" thats pretty much saying its ok
[08:49] <seb128> kernels5, ubuntu touch never did anything of what you mention
[08:49] <seb128> you should better document yourself before doing public statements
[08:49] <kernels5> Thought you iggied me seb128
[08:49] <kernels5> and it did
[08:49] <seb128> kernels5, no, I said other might better ignore trolls and that /ignore is there for that
[08:49] <seb128> I don't mind much you trolling
[08:49] <kernels5> so you give advice you dont take....
[08:50] <kernels5> you should take your own advice before doing public statements
[08:50] <kernels5> ubuntu ARE guilty
[08:50] <kernels5> no one of integrity can deny this
[08:50] <seb128> guilty of what?
[08:51] <seb128> giving you software for free?
[08:51] <seb128> it's like the internet is guilty because website show you ads
[08:51] <kernels5> distributing spyware
[08:51] <black_puppydog> lol, this is pathetic... anyway, anyone wanna talk about actual development? like, I have an N5 atm, and I'm kind of on a budget. what's my best shot at getting a daily driver UT phone running?
[08:51] <kernels5> discussing spyware is not pathetic black
[08:52] <seb128> there is no spyware and never was
[08:52] <black_puppydog> "on a budget" ==> cannot simply buy any phone. might be okay to buy a lower tier/second hand phone
[08:52] <seb128> please move to somewhere else for your trolls
[08:52] <seb128> black_puppydog, try to get a second hand n4?
[08:52] <popey> kernels5: please stop. if you can't have a respectful conversation with the developers and users here, then find another platform for your angst
[08:52] <kernels5> wow
[08:53] <kernels5> i have not disrespected anyone
[08:53] <kernels5> but people here have insutled me
[08:53] <kernels5> calling me a troll
[08:53] <kernels5> calling my discussions pathetic
[08:53] <popey> You do smell like one.
[08:53] <kernels5> and there you go
[08:55] <popey> You came into an Ubuntu channel, and effectively insulted the work of the paid and volunteer developers here. How exactly did you think that was going to come across, really?
[08:55] <kernels5> I did no such thing
[08:56] <kernels5> I just pointed out that the This is an obnoxious and privacy-concerning feature, and Canonical has been raked over the coals for it by the EFF.
[08:56] <popey> which a) has been discussed to _death_ _everywhere_
[08:56] <popey> b) we disagree
[08:56] <popey> c) it was disabled in 16.04
[08:56] <popey> d) you can turn it off
[08:56] <popey> etc etc
[08:56] <popey> So it's a laboured, old, tired conversation we've had a hundred times
[08:56] <seb128> e) never existed in ubuntu touch
[08:56] <popey> forgive us if you smell like a troll
[08:56] <popey> also that
[08:56] <kernels5> canonical popey - why was it opt out
[08:57] <davmor2> e) the phone handles scope differently anyway
[08:57] <popey> kernels5: not having this conversation *again*
[08:57] <kernels5> why did they wait until 10.04 before doing the decent thing?
[08:57] <popey> take a time travel pill back to 2012 and ask again
[08:57] <kernels5> wow - it happened 4 whole years ago!!!
[08:57] <popey> yes, keep up
[08:57] <seb128> kernels5, stop the insults and calling us undecent and dishonest
[08:57] <kernels5> i have insulted no one
[08:57] <seb128> you do
[08:57] <kernels5> but you have all insulted me
[08:57] <popey> ok, lets move on.
[08:57] <seb128> calling people dishonest
[08:57] <kernels5> not you
[08:58] <kernels5> earlier developers
[08:58] <kernels5> who were complicit
[08:58] <seb128> well I'm working on that codebase
[08:58] <popey> we are developers who work at canonical
[08:58] <seb128> so me
[08:58] <popey> so yes, you are insulting *us*
[08:58] <kernels5> popey - so you were aware about the amazon lenz feature?
[08:58] <kernels5> before it was released?
[08:58] <seb128> yes
[08:58] <popey> of course
[08:58] <kernels5> you too seb
[08:58] <kernels5> wow
[08:58] <seb128> yes
[08:58] <popey> Now, enough.
[08:58] <kernels5> did you have ANY moral misgivings?
[08:58] <seb128> it was a nice integration with online services
[08:58] <seb128> that you like it or not is your issue
[08:58] <popey> Ok, enough now
[08:59] <seb128> popey, thanks
[08:59] <popey> np
[08:59] <popey> nobody needs that on a thursday morning
[08:59] <seb128> :-)
[09:00] <carten> wow that was wierd
[09:00] <carten> "it was a nice integration with online services "
[09:00] <carten> i will be publishing this conversation
[09:01] <carten> there is still much interest in this story
[09:01] <popey> carten: please leave
[09:01] <carten> and interest in developers with absolutely ZERO moral compass
[09:02] <anpok> so wrong on so many levels..
[09:02] <anpok> greyback_: so you werent online till now?
[09:08] <lpotter> compass support is still yet to be landed... :)
[09:09] <lpotter> so ya, compass values should be 0 <snicker>
[09:11] <k1l_> that was a known troll ip range.
[09:11] <popey> thanks k1l_
[09:37] <black_puppydog> wow, had to be afk for a while there, that reads like fun times... thanks popey :)
[09:38] <black_puppydog> anyway, seb128, how about performance on the n4? I already feel like missing out with the N5 being what... 3 years old?
[09:38] <seb128> I don't know if there is any recent device you chan get cheap/second hand
[09:38] <seb128> I think the n4 behaves decently enough
[09:38] <MCMic> lol
[09:40] <black_puppydog> and btw: anyone working on a weechat relay client? would be hugely helpful, for when, you know, I have to be afk, like now :D
[09:41] <MCMic> black_puppydog: What is weechat?
[09:42] <black_puppydog> an irc client. you can run it on e.g. a vps, then connect to it via a relay protocol. seems popular. then again, I'm a complete irc noob...
[09:42] <A1108-Guest> I here serve a legal declaration that Alan Pope, of Farnborough, Hampshire, has knowingly participated in the breaking of the European Directive 95/46/EC.
[09:43] <black_puppydog> here we go again. going afk, will miss all the good fun again...
[09:48] <davmor2> popey: man just as well we left the EU then ;)
[09:48] <k1l_> haha
[09:49] <popey> haha
[09:49] <MCMic> :-/
[09:49] <davmor2> who thought there would be a fun side to it :D
[11:50] <cwayne> mariogrip: hey, just out of curiousity, where is nexus 5x lie in terms of priorities for ubports
[11:56] <black_puppydog> and also just out of curiosity, is there a place (github/launchpad/...) where I can trach recent commits for the various devices just for news junkie reasons? :P
[12:19] <matv1> black_puppydog maybe here http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/
[12:24] <black_puppydog> matv1, that's only for officially supported devices though. anything like it for ubports?
[12:26] <matv1> black_puppydog oh I didnt catch that you meant that :) in that case not sure, sorry
[12:36] <black_puppydog> no worries, like I said, it's just to satisfy my hunger for news :P
[13:00] <black_puppydog> oops, me stupid... https://github.com/ubports
[13:05] <ahoneybun> popey: if that new Meziu is right I hope we get OTA-12 with fingerprint soon
[13:05] <ahoneybun> 2 phones with fingerprint readers and no software to handle them
[13:20] <dobey> hmm
[13:20] <dobey> ok then
[13:21] <popey> ahoneybun: like we have multiple devices with FM Radios and no software to handle them. this isn't new :)
[13:22] <ahoneybun> mm true
[13:22] <ahoneybun> popey: what do I file a bug about OSK?
[13:23] <dobey> wow, nutters
[13:23] <davmor2> ahoneybun: what's the bug
[13:23] <ahoneybun> davmor2: the OSK comes up when with a keyboard connected in DesktopMode
[13:23] <ahoneybun> Nexus 4
[13:23] <ahoneybun> not sure about my N7 since it keeps messing with
[13:23] <ahoneybun> something with my port is bad
[13:24] <dobey> black_puppydog: did you get your answer about switching to a more updated chanel than stable on n5?
[13:25] <black_puppydog> dobey: no :|
[13:25] <ahoneybun> davmor2: looking though https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-keyboard/+bugs?orderby=-importance&memo=75&start=75
[13:25] <ahoneybun> for a existing one
[13:26] <dobey> black_puppydog: connect to it with phablet-shell with the device connected to wifi, and run "sudo system-image-cli -vvvv --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed"
[13:27] <black_puppydog> dobey: cool! will that wipe it?
[13:29] <ahoneybun> not without the -wipe option
[13:29] <black_puppydog> makes sense :D
[13:29] <ahoneybun> just deal with the system image not user stuff
[13:34] <ahoneybun> mm is the battery percentage just on the M10?
[13:37] <popey> ahoneybun: eh?
[13:38] <popey> oh ,in the indicator? No, it's an option in the fabulous tweak tool
[13:43] <ahoneybun> mm
[13:43] <ahoneybun> darn
[13:43] <popey> install it, it's great
[13:44] <ahoneybun> but it brakes things
[13:44] <dobey> or just use gsettings to set the setting
[13:45] <ahoneybun> so I need the OpenStore
[13:45] <dobey> to get battery percentage shown on the panel?
[13:45] <dobey> no
[13:46] <dobey> ahoneybun: you just need terminal app
[13:46] <dobey> ahoneybun: "gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.power show-percentage true"
[13:46] <ahoneybun> oh
[13:46] <ahoneybun> I'm going to install the tweak tool as well
[13:47] <dobey> you can just download the click for the tweak tool and side-load it, without actually installing the open store too (though you have to side-load that one as well anyway)
[13:47] <ahoneybun> I need the OpenStore as well?
[13:47] <dobey> no
[13:48] <dobey> if you want to install open store, you have to side load it
[13:48] <popey> 14:44 < ahoneybun> but it brakes things
[13:48] <ahoneybun> I put the click on the phone
[13:48] <popey> what does it break?
[13:48] <ahoneybun> I know
[13:48] <ogra_> popey, things .. obviously
[13:52] <ahoneybun> did it with the gsettings
[13:52] <ahoneybun> thanks dobey
[13:56] <popey> woohoo!
[13:56] <dobey> sure
[13:56] <ahoneybun> also installed the tweak tool on the phone
[13:56] <black_puppydog> yay, dobey, that worked! didn't spot any visible differences yet. but version has bumped up from 9 to r166. last update 05/01/1970 :D
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[13:57] <ahoneybun> mm
[13:57] <dobey> black_puppydog: well rc-proposed has basically daily updates
[13:57] <black_puppydog> just what I was looking for! :)
[13:58] <dobey> wow popey, what did you do to this mindless pleb to deserve this?
[13:58] <popey> meh
[13:58] <black_puppydog> leave the EU?
[13:58] <black_puppydog> *badumm tss* :D
[13:59] <black_puppydog> no srsly, is it just a bad day or do the trolls always fly this low here?
[13:59] <dobey> well, feces is heavier than air, so they're usually at the bottom
[14:00] <dobey> usually they just ask how to install android, in here though
[14:03]  * mariogrip hugs popey
[14:03]  * ahoneybun highfives mariogrip
[14:04]  * mariogrip highfivers ahoneybun back :)
[14:05]  * ahoneybun highfives popey too
[14:05] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: what n5 question?
[14:06] <black_puppydog> mariogrip: dobey already came to my help, running r166 atm :)
[14:07] <mariogrip> cwayne: I have no list, but I take devices that i see people want, and nexus 5x is pretty soon
[14:07] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: :)
[14:25] <mariogrip> mzanetti: do you know how to i start unity8 (ubuntu touch) in developer more, so i get more logs?
[14:25] <mariogrip> mode*
[14:25] <mzanetti> what logs would you like to have?
[14:25] <mzanetti> I think it's pretty much as chatty as its gonna get by default
[14:27] <mzanetti> mariogrip, ^
[14:28] <mariogrip> mzanetti: humm, it doesn't start any apps, it the apps crashes
[14:28] <mzanetti> those things should already be printed
[14:28] <mariogrip> in .cache/upstart right?
[14:28] <mzanetti> yes
[14:29] <mariogrip> humm, let me send you some logs, i cannot find anything in them
[14:32] <mariogrip> mzanetti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18171811/
[14:33] <mariogrip> also maliit-server is crashing
[14:34] <mzanetti> mariogrip, I don't see any traces of an app being started. how do you launch it?
[14:36] <mariogrip> mzanetti: with the launcher on the side
[14:38] <mariogrip> this is how it looks like https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4FwBSSdU/screenshot20160630_163721717.png
[14:41] <mariogrip> mzanetti: as you see in the picture, the "app drawer/scope" is not starting
[14:59] <dobey> mariogrip: looks like unity8-dash isn't running
[15:03] <mariogrip> dobey: there is no logs for unity8-dash so i have no idea why it doesn't start
[15:03] <dobey> mariogrip: try running "start unity8-dash" and see :)
[15:05] <mariogrip> dobey: start: Unknown job: unity8-dash
[15:05] <dobey> well that's not good
[15:05] <dobey> i guess that explains why it didn't start :)
[15:06] <dobey> mariogrip: do you have /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8-dash.conf ?
[15:08] <mzanetti> mariogrip, try to do something like "ubuntu-app-launch calendar-app"
[15:09] <mzanetti> where calendar-app is supposed to be a appid
[15:09] <dobey> com.canonical.calendar_calendar
[15:10] <dobey> or not
[15:11] <dobey> lol
[15:17] <mariogrip> dobey: yes i have /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8-dash.conf
[15:18] <mariogrip> mzanetti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18174652/
[15:20] <dobey> mariogrip: oh why are you trying to run that stuff as root?
[15:20] <dobey> mariogrip: unity8-dash is run as phablet
[15:20] <mariogrip> dobey: i have adb running on root
[15:21] <dobey> mariogrip: su over to phablet then, and then try to run "start unity8-dash"
[15:21] <mariogrip> dobey: still same result
[15:22] <dobey> huh
[15:24] <popey> uhoh
[15:25] <dobey> oh well, need to get lunch
[15:26] <mzanetti> mariogrip, seems something is wrong with either your dbus session, upstart session or ubuntu-app-launch
[15:26] <mariogrip> mzanetti: any idea how i can debug that?
[15:26] <ogra_> dont use su (ever) ...
[15:26] <ogra_> sudo -u phablet -i
[15:26] <ogra_> that keeps the environment intact
[15:26] <mariogrip> ogra_: chmod 777 -R / :)
[15:26] <mzanetti> also use phablet-shell, and not adb shell directly
[15:27] <mariogrip> mzanetti: phablet-shell for some reason does not work with unlocked-adb
[15:27] <ogra_> mariogrip, well, i mean su resets your env and drops half your PATH ... not really helpful :)
[15:28] <mariogrip> ogra_: ack, i'll start using phablet user :)
[15:29] <ogra_> (especially all env vars you need to use initctl get unset if you use "su phablet" instead of "sudo -u phablet -i")
[15:29] <mariogrip> ogra_: oh, didn't know that
[15:30] <mariogrip> now start unity8-dash works :D
[15:30] <ogra_> :)
[15:30]  * mariogrip hugs ogra_
[15:30]  * ogra_ hugs mariogrip 
[15:31] <mariogrip> mzanetti: failed to start unity8-dash, where is the logs for that?
[15:31] <mzanetti> the logs for what?
[15:31] <mzanetti> for the dash?
[15:32] <mariogrip> yeah
[15:32] <mzanetti> .cache/upstart/unity8-dash.log
[15:32] <mariogrip> does not exist
[15:32] <mzanetti> but the dash is running?
[15:32] <mzanetti> if it says failed to start unity8-dash, it's probably not :)
[15:33] <mariogrip> no, it's not running
[15:33] <mzanetti> right, it would only log things when its running
[15:33] <mariogrip> oh, ok. how can i get some logs so i know why it does not start?
[15:33] <mzanetti> but it's an app as any other app, so unity8.log should indicate why it fails to start
[15:33] <mzanetti> if there's nothing in there at all, it doesn't reach unity8, which means ubuntu-app-launch did not process it properly
[15:34] <ogra_> should it ? given it gets started by its own upstart job ?
[15:34] <mzanetti> hmm... right... it bypasses ubuntu-app-launch
[15:34] <ogra_> yeah
[15:34] <mzanetti> but apart from that it is a normal app :D
[15:34] <ogra_> and should create its own logfile
[15:34] <mariogrip> mzanetti: there is nothing in unity8.log about unity8-dash
[15:34] <mzanetti> try this:
[15:34] <mariogrip> it stays the same after trying to start it
[15:35] <mzanetti> unity8-dash --desktop_file_hint=unity8-dash
[15:35] <mzanetti> that must print something to unity8.log
[15:36] <mariogrip> http://paste.ubuntu.com/18175760/
[15:36] <mariogrip> unity8.log http://paste.ubuntu.com/18175810/
[15:37] <mariogrip> it's just an white, no apps appears
[15:40] <mariogrip> mzanetti: ^
[15:41] <mzanetti> wait, so the window opens, but it stays white?
[15:41] <mzanetti> mariogrip, ^
[15:42] <mariogrip> mzanetti: yes
[15:42] <mzanetti> in that case it should log something to unity8-dash.log
[15:42] <mariogrip> mzanetti: nope
[15:43] <mariogrip> does not even exist
[15:44] <mzanetti> is it *white* or just showing the white wallpaper?
[15:44] <mariogrip> just white
[15:45] <mzanetti> meh... the unity8.log seems to say all is fine
[15:45] <mariogrip> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RAKBnK3I/screenshot20160630_174414817.png
[15:45] <mzanetti> hmm, there is the bottom edge arrow there
[15:45] <mzanetti> so the dash is running
[15:45] <mzanetti> does it print something when you launch it manually?
[15:46] <mariogrip> yeah this http://paste.ubuntu.com/18175760/
[15:46] <mariogrip> "Unable to register DBus object "/com/canonical/UnityDash""
[15:46] <ogra_> looking at /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity8-dash.conf you probably want to "export APP_ID=unity8-dash" before trying to run it
[15:46] <ogra_> (not sure thats relevant for running it)
[15:47] <mariogrip> ogra_: tried, no difference
[15:47] <ogra_> yeah ... was just a guess
[15:48] <mzanetti> ok... so the dash seems running. now sure why it prints those messages but seems like it's just not loading any scopes
[15:49] <mzanetti> scope-registry not running perhaps
[15:49] <ogra_> mariogrip, try: export $(cat /run/user/32011/dbus-session)
[15:49] <ogra_> it is likely your current session doesnt have the dbus socket in the env
[15:50] <ogra_> (terminal session that is)
[15:50] <mariogrip> ogra_: still the same on screen, but different error this time http://paste.ubuntu.com/18176699/
[15:51] <ogra_> yeah, that looks good from a dbus perspective now
[15:51] <mariogrip> so then we can conclude that dbus is not the problem?
[15:51] <mzanetti> the other question is why it doesn't start automatically with upstart...
[15:51] <ogra_> mariogrip, yes
[15:52] <ogra_> mzanetti, or even more interesting, why doesnt it log anything
[15:52] <mariogrip> mzanetti: i have no idea, it works on all other devices, but not this one
[15:52] <mariogrip> same android tree, and pretty much the same hardware as the fairphone
[15:53] <mzanetti> ogra_, well, if he launches manually, he'd get stderr on his terminal, which he does. so no surprise it doesn't log to .cache/upstart
[15:53] <ogra_> mzanetti, right, but the same output shuld show up in the log
[15:53] <mzanetti> it should, when launched by upstart
[15:53] <ogra_> exactly
[15:54] <mzanetti> mariogrip, so kill the manually launched instance and do "start unity8-dash"
[15:54] <mzanetti> any changes?
[15:54] <mariogrip> mzanetti: start: Job failed to start
[15:55] <mzanetti> your session is not set up properly, for sure
[15:56] <mariogrip> should i try reinstalling it with an newer vivid-reinstalled?
[15:56] <mzanetti> are you porting things to a new device or is this one of our supported devices?
[15:57] <mariogrip> oneplus one
[15:57] <mzanetti> so I suppose there's something not happening in the profile or whatever
[15:57] <mzanetti> that's ogra_ land though :D
[15:57] <ogra_> lol
[15:58] <ogra_> i havent touched phone code in 2 years now
[15:58] <mariogrip> :P
[15:58] <mariogrip> thanks for you help mzanetti :)
[15:58] <mzanetti> ogra_, I don't think anything changed since you moved on
[15:58] <ogra_> all i can do is guessing from memory
[15:58] <mzanetti> :P
[15:58] <mzanetti> mariogrip, try comparing the env on this device and one of the officially supported ones
[15:59] <mariogrip> ack
[15:59] <ogra_> one thig i can imagine is that the unity8.conf doesnt completely finish ... it sets a ton of vars in its post-start scripts
[15:59] <ogra_> var that the dash might then be missing
[16:00] <ogra_> *vars that
[16:00] <mzanetti> it kinda seems upstart is upset already... given he can start the app manually, but not via "start unity8-dash"
[16:01] <ogra_> well, check that UPSTART_SESSION is set in your env ... as wel as XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
[16:02] <ogra_> (see /etc/profile.d/upstart-phablet.sh and for the dbus part from before /etc/profile.d/dbus-source.sh)
[16:52] <mariogrip> ogra_: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat $UPSTART_SESSION
[16:52] <mariogrip> cat: unix:abstract=/com/ubuntu/upstart-session/32011/2329: No such file or directory
[16:54] <mariogrip> ogra_: they both exist, ignore that i pasted there, i uses cat instead of echo