=== evanmeag_ is now known as evanmeagher === JanC is now known as Guest34481 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === cpaelzer_ is now known as cpaelzer [07:57] Is there a definitive list of what plugs are allowed in snapcraft.yaml, including detail on exactly what they do and don't allow the app to do? [08:10] mcphail, "snap interfaces" gives you a list, unsure about descriptions [08:12] ...but those vary by snapd, not the snapcraft version. [08:18] hey qengho didrocks [08:19] hey willcooke! [08:19] so, as we discussed on #ubuntu-desktop, to move your snap to the new launcher desktop [08:19] popey, hey, on that snaps list document, for gtetrinet you have a systemctl cassandra cmd as "where", I guess that's a copy error? [08:19] qengho, it's nice having you around in the morning! Please move to Taiwan full time. [08:19] willcooke: you just need to replace gtk3conf -> desktop/gtk3 [08:20] and for the command: gtk-launch -> desktop-launch [08:20] and that should be it! [08:20] oh [08:20] wow [08:20] nice [08:20] if you are using snapcraft 2.12, you need to "snapcraft update" before running "snapcraft" [08:20] didrocks, sudo that? ^ [08:22] no need for sudo [08:22] running.... [08:22] didrocks, do you know if anyone is working on command completion for snapd at all? [08:23] willcooke: not that I know of. I would like to have some time to do it, it's part of the dev experience to me :) [08:23] (and yeah, we need advanced shell completion) [08:23] didrocks, would love to help with that. Learn a bit of Go too [08:24] didrocks, maybe a good 1st job for the new snappy focused desktop team member when we hire them too [08:28] willcooke: It's tempting! I like it here. But, it's 16:30 now. And I might grow fat because the food is so good. [08:29] seb128: uh, dunno how that got there [08:30] seb128: someone else probably pasted crap in by accident [08:30] yeah, likely [08:30] can you put back the right value? [08:40] uhm [08:41] i dont think it had anything in it [08:42] k, it's in the store? [08:44] no [08:47] seb128: qengho: thanks. So is there any way to find this out directly from the running snapd, or do I need to dig into the source of the version of snapd to see what the plugs can and cannot do? [08:47] didrocks: hey, sorry to bug you, wondered if you were interested in commenting on this PR? (sergio thought you might be) https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/614 [08:48] popey, well, I can have a look to the warning if you share the snapcraft.yaml/script with me in some way [08:49] I'll take another look at it. not touched gtetrinet for 2.5 months [08:49] so probably needs to switch to the gtk launcher [08:49] among other things [08:50] mcphail: plugs are complicated combinations of system-call filters and filesystem/dbus/socket/etc filters, and those are too detailed to make sense in a small list, except where it glosses over a lot of stuff. [08:50] right [08:50] didrocks, quick initial test - settings are now preserved, but menus are not exported [08:51] mcphail: If the name isn't meaningful, then something is wrong. A plug should fit a whole class of needs. If it doesn't we would love to have a bug report to suggest tweaks. So, use what you see, and tell us if it's wrong or insufficient. [08:52] mcphail: The short answer is "it changes all the time, and please try it and we'll fix problems." [08:53] qengho: ok, if it is a moving target that s fair enough [08:53] jdstrand_: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1463 here we go, do not hesitate if you have any question! :) [08:53] I still think that's a valid point [08:53] joc_: yeah, I need to give a look, will do before EOD [08:53] those might be documented [08:53] didrocks, do you know if interfaces are documented somewhere? [08:53] willcooke: yeah, known bug [08:53] didrocks: ack, thanks === clobrano_ is now known as clobrano [08:53] like the list of ones available with the version they have been added to and a short description? [08:54] seb128: oh wait, no, it's gtk… [08:54] oupss [08:54] willcooke: ^ [08:54] willcooke: let's look at it together in a sec [08:54] seb128: yeah, there are some descriptions, one sec [08:54] qengho: am I right that the "home" plug restricts access to dot files and directories? What is the rationale for that? [08:55] didrocks, sure thing, just testing again against the other launcher, where I think it worked. If so, should be easy to fix [08:55] seb128: the best resource we have on this is https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/interfaces/ [08:55] willcooke: interesting… it's a gtk app, right? [08:55] mcphail: I don't know. [08:56] That page is helpful. Thanks didrocks and seb128 [08:56] qengho: cheers [08:57] yw! [08:57] Issue detected while analyzing snapcraft.yaml: Cannot find definition for part 'gtkconf'. It may be a remote part, run `snapcraft update` to refresh the remote parts cache [08:57] when doing a cleanbuild ^ [08:57] how do you do a snapcraft update inside lxd? [08:58] popey: same way surely [08:58] no, that is inside lxd [08:59] popey: does the container have an network connection? [08:59] lxd/lxc is clean inside [08:59] yes [08:59] popey: yeah, cleanbuild doesn't work inside lxd [08:59] so inside the container it doesn't "know" about gtkconf [08:59] sorry [08:59] didrocks, 'ci [08:59] cloud parts don't work inside lxd [08:59] sorry, maybe I meant lxc [08:59] AFAIK [08:59] unsure anyone opened a bug yet [08:59] hm [08:59] I guess it's missing "snapcraft update" [08:59] no [09:00] thats not true [09:00] because I have another one here which works using qt5conf [09:00] but gtkconf fails [09:00] and it works? oO [09:00] ok, so not that issue [09:00] does snapcraft ship "knowing" about qt5conf? [09:00] popey: no [09:00] I doubt [09:00] is gtkconf still a thing? [09:00] is it not? :) [09:00] it works outside the container [09:00] k, dunno then [09:01] didrocks superseeded it with a better version [09:01] but gtkconf should still work I guess [09:01] didrocks speaking of desktop confs, I'm trying your qt5 launcher with vlc, but no dice: the menu disappears from vlc, but never gets exported. No theming either. Do you want the snap? [09:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/18220245/ is my super simple yaml if anyone wants to reproduce [09:02] snapcraft works, snapcraft cleanbuild does not [09:02] davidcalle: ah, no theming is weird [09:02] davidcalle: but appmenu not working is expecting [09:02] Ok [09:02] see my messages from yesterday [09:03] seb128: ^ fwiw that's as far as I got with gtetrinet - it launches but theme is broken and it doesnt launch properly [09:03] davidcalle: snapd needs https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1463 [09:03] davidcalle: so yeah, we need to look at the theme [09:03] * davidcalle cat * | grep didrocks [09:03] didrocks: ok :) [09:05] davidcalle: do you have the theme unconfined? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:09] didrocks: nope (but I have the menu) [09:10] yeah, menu is expected [09:10] theme, ok, we need to look at it together [09:10] mind having a HO in like, I don't know… 20 minutes ? [09:11] In another app of mine, I am using qt5conf but get this when I launch it:- [09:11] QGtkStyle could not resolve GTK. Make sure you have installed the proper libraries. [09:11] anyone seen that before? [09:11] popey, did you bundle libgtk2.0-0? [09:11] no [09:11] should I? [09:11] likely the issue [09:11] ok, thanks [09:11] if you want the QGtkStyle to work yes [09:11] * popey rebuildificates [09:11] Hmm. Is there any way to give a snap access to dotfiles and dotdirectories in $HOME without running completely unconfined? I can't understand the thinking behind this [09:11] I think didrocks's new launcher handle that for you [09:12] oooh [09:12] new launcher [09:12] it does! [09:12] mcphail, thinking is that apps are not able to steal your gpg or ssh keys or stored password in .config [09:12] popey: new launcher*s* :) [09:12] mcphail, normal apps want to access files/documents, not configs from the system [09:13] seb128: there'll be equally valuable credentials stored in normal files, though. [09:13] seb128: i need my app to access [09:14] .gitignore files etc [09:15] I'm sure that could be whitelisted [09:15] open a bug? [09:15] seb128: against snapd? [09:15] mcphail, and "there could be other issues" it's a rational for "don't try to protect the user at all" [09:15] yes [09:15] tag it snapd-interface [09:15] it's *not* a rational [09:15] seb128: thanks. will do [09:16] mcphail, would maybe be better to give access to specific xdg dirs [09:16] like xdg music/video [09:16] that would be even less likely to have the issue [09:17] Maybe. so many overlapping concerns [09:17] I think the rational is that usually users don't go browser .config files [09:17] browse [09:17] that's system details [09:18] anyway the proper solution there is to have a file picker interface or a prompt saying "apps try to access ~/.gitignore, auth/nack" === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [09:19] seb128: i'll maybe tidy up my yaml file and ask on mailing list for opinions [09:19] great [09:20] willcooke: want to have a look together at the menu thingy? [09:20] if it works with gtkconf [09:20] and not with the new launcher [09:22] didrocks multi-hangouts :p [09:22] ahah, oki! [09:22] didrocks, I can help will while you help david if you want [09:22] let's do this! [09:22] didrocks, sure thing! [09:22] cool [09:23] willcooke, sorry, you are stucked with me helping you :p [09:23] :D [09:23] willcooke, can you push your current version to github? [09:23] how shall we do this, hangout or IRC? [09:24] what is the current way to fix theme issues? I have an app which looks like Windows 95 [09:24] popey, gtk app? [09:24] qt [09:24] popey: interesting, with the new launcher? [09:24] popey, using didiers' launcher? [09:24] desktop/qt5? [09:25] after: [qt5conf] [09:25] ^ doing that [09:25] use my launcher [09:25] it's supposed to fix it [09:25] how? [09:25] replace qt5conf -> desktop/qt5 [09:25] qt-launch -> desktop-launch [09:25] and rebuild [09:26] willcooke, we can hangout in a few minutes if you want? if you push your changes I can build it here while making some coffee and then we can have a look [09:26] ok [09:26] popey: the example qt app is at least themed with it :) [09:26] no promise on yours! the painting is still fresh on walls [09:27] 😃 [09:27] building! [09:27] seb128, pushed: https://github.com/8none1/gedit310 [09:28] good [09:31] Friday shared listening: https://heylisten.io/snappy [09:32] popey, ^ [09:32] heheh [09:35] didrocks: your launcher seems to be trying to launch something in my home directory [09:35] this is in my snapcraft.yaml:- [09:35] command: desktop-launch usr/local/bin/bitcoin-qt [09:35] popey: hum, I don't cd on purpose, is your stuff in the path? [09:35] and this is what happens when I run it [09:35] $ sendmykeystodidrocks.sh [09:36] you need $SNAP [09:36] /snap/bitcoin/x11/bin/desktop-launch: line 153: /home/alan/Development/Snappy/snappy-playpen/bitcoin/usr/local/bin/bitcoin-qt: No such file or directory [09:36] oh [09:36] in the yaml? [09:36] yep [09:36] I don't cd $SNAP in the launcher anymore [09:36] okay [09:36] I did forgot about it [09:36] thanks for reminding me :) [09:36] you don't need to rebuild [09:36] command: desktop-launch $SNAP/usr/local/bin/bitcoin-qt [09:36] ? [09:36] you can change the prime directory [09:36] yeah [09:36] ok [09:36] or if usr/local/bin is in PATH [09:36] just desktop-launch bitcoin-qt [09:37] how would that snap be in the path? [09:37] $SNAP/usr/bin as $SNAP/bin [09:37] are [09:37] /snap/bin is in the path, but /snap//current/ etc aren't [09:37] O RLY [09:37] it is once launched from the u-c-l wrapper [09:37] they add those to the PATH :) [09:37] cunning [09:38] okay. thanks [09:38] I wonder if we should get usr/local/bin added [09:38] just build your app with --prefix=/usr and not with --prefix=/usr/local [09:38] ogra_: well, that's the next step :) [09:38] yeah, will do that [09:38] currently using that prefix [09:38] let's get it running right now [09:38] yeah, we know it's working that way for now, let's see if the theme is fixed then! [09:39] seb128: sshhhhhhhhhhh, that was supposed to be a secret malware script ;) [09:39] :-) [09:45] didrocks: fyi ln: failed to create symbolic link '/home/alan/snap/bitcoin/x12/.themes/themes': Read-only file system [09:45] didrocks: and theme still looks ye olde [09:45] hum [09:46] do you have your source somewhere? [09:46] didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18222328/ === clobrano is now known as clobrano_ [09:48] hum onfigflags: [--prefix=/usr [09:49] did you run that version? [09:49] (as you still ref usr/local) [09:49] yes [09:49] uh. [09:49] where do I reference usr/local? [09:49] broken --prefix option maybe? [09:49] ah [09:49] sorry, it's commented :) [09:49] # command: qt5-launch usr/local/bin/bitcoin-qt [09:49] * popey sends didrocks to get his eyes tested [09:50] popey: I'll send you the bill back :) [09:51] 😃 [09:54] willcooke, hum, the menus work fine here :-/ [09:54] hmm [09:54] seb128, using the new launcher? [09:54] well, got your git, did snapcraft, installed the snap and typed gedit310 [09:55] got gedit opening with integrated menu and proper look [09:55] * willcooke tries again [09:56] seb128: sure it works, this is a quality launcher! :) [09:56] lol [09:56] not manager-proof though :p [09:56] * didrocks runs away [09:56] willcooke, just try to snap remove & install? [09:56] * willcooke slaps didrocks with a fish [09:56] willcooke, if it's buggy let's debug it together anyway, you keep having things working on every other try which is weird [09:56] willcooke: can I choose which kind of fish? :) [09:56] didrocks, that's because you didn't integrate slides [09:57] oh right! [09:57] * didrocks adds slides and attach it to a meeting [09:57] please do a spreadsheet as well [09:57] and send an email :) [09:57] now you're getting it [09:57] * didrocks applies for manager role then [09:58] hum, desktop team manager position :) [09:58] send your CV in Excel format [09:58] heh [09:59] finally, bitcon-qt built [09:59] \o/ [10:01] popey: waow, snapcraft is trying to do some magic… [10:01] which is failing in that case [10:01] willcooke, so, works after a remove/install? [10:01] \o/ [10:01] popey: ah no, it's your fault! [10:01] command: desktop-launch $SNAP/bitcoin-qt [10:01] oh :( [10:01] seb128, just waiting for the build to finish [10:01] popey: -> command: desktop-launch bitcoin-qt [10:01] willcooke, you should still have the old .snap could try with that [10:01] but ok [10:01] oh [10:01] seb128, deleted everything just to be sure [10:01] good point [10:01] popey: I have a gtk theme here [10:02] hang on didrocks [10:02] at least first dialog [10:02] i have command: desktop-launch bitcoin-qt here [10:02] what? [10:02] willcooke, k, I was suggesting to try without deleting, just to see why you get things that don't work until you wipe and rebuild [10:02] not the first time you need to re-re-build [10:02] popey: your pastebin is correct [10:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/18222328/ [10:02] yes [10:02] which I am using [10:02] popey: ok, I'm probably stupid and the other me did something while I wasn't looking [10:02] if you'd used google docs this wouldnt have happened [10:03] lol [10:03] * popey looks around the room [10:03] :p [10:03] didrocks: so how do you now have the gtk theme? [10:03] I think I started to type it while talking about the usr/local prefix thing [10:03] popey: the "Welcome screen" is clearly gtk themed [10:03] * didrocks takes screenshot to ensure we talk about the same thing [10:04] http://imgur.com/IkTgAqQ [10:04] thats what I see [10:04] seb128, oki, rebuilt, installed -> http://imgur.com/LLPLKAR [10:04] willcooke, hangout? [10:04] popey: my laptop is better than yours! [10:05] bah [10:05] didrocks 1 - 0 popey [10:05] ha! [10:05] * popey #brexits [10:05] seb128 1 - 0 willcooke [10:05] * didrocks is tempted about making jokes about europe [10:05] europe 2 - 0 u.k [10:05] rohhh, popey… [10:05] :) [10:05] in your face brexit! [10:05] rohhh, seb [10:05] seb128, https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/will?authuser=0 [10:05] :-) [10:05] willcooke: music.... [10:05] * willcooke loving the Friday [10:05] heh [10:05] popey, had to join a HO [10:05] popey, soz [10:06] #bants [10:06] popey: http://imgur.com/a/0ZItS [10:06] and I didn't get any warning [10:07] popey: snapd version? [10:07] 2.0.9 here [10:07] same [10:07] and rebooted on the new snapd daemon, I guess? [10:07] maybe I have some crap in my snap home dir due to previous builds [10:07] reboot? [10:07] /join #windows [10:07] well [10:07] brought down the snapd service :) [10:08] ok, well, I'll have a play then, thanks for confirming the natural superiority of the French. [10:08] oh, did you install in --devmode? [10:08] (I didn't) [10:08] popey: nope! [10:08] I didn't [10:08] good [10:09] popey: right, we could have done France 2 - 0 UK [10:09] well, 1.5 because of seb128 ofc [10:09] aha, deleting ~/snap/bitcoin has 'fixed' it [10:09] and give 0.5 to Germany :p [10:09] lol [10:09] popey: ah, hum, did you remove the previous version first? [10:09] no [10:09] that's why [10:09] well that sucks [10:09] there is a stamp with the launcher [10:09] :) [10:10] not really IRL [10:10] because here, snapd is reusing the same revision [10:10] http://imgur.com/LJuL5jC great success! [10:10] but once installed from the store, a different revision is issued [10:10] \o/ [10:10] thank you! [10:10] popey: want to confirm the fix for menu? [10:10] (if they have any menu) [10:10] the what for the what? [10:10] popey: does this application supposed to have menus? [10:11] is* [10:11] don't think so [10:11] ah ok, so nothing for you then :) [10:11] popey: FYI, based deps are brought by the launcher itself [10:12] so you can clean some, like the gtk2 one [10:12] snapcraft define desktop/qt5 [10:12] shows them to you [10:12] (in case you have some duplicates) [10:13] didrocks, ooh, do we have a qt5 launcher already? [10:14] yep! [10:14] desktop/qt5 [10:14] change qt-launch -> desktop-launch [10:14] /!\ it doesn't cd $SNAP [10:15] you have supposively theme support, icon support, img caching [10:15] appmenu needs a fix in snapd where a PR is above ^ [10:15] (funny debugging session yesterday with seb128) [10:18] didrocks: neat! [10:29] didrocks, https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/blob/master/gtk/launcher-specific#L25 [10:29] tssss [10:29] lulz [10:29] didrocks, arch coded,which is why it works for me and not for willcooke :p [10:30] http://termbin.com/tfek - if I have a set of headers in the "build-packages" stanza, should I be adding the corresponding libs to the "stage-packages" section? [10:30] didrocks: I do like your new shoes... http://imgur.com/OUU78ly [10:30] mcphail: probably not [10:30] unless it explicitly calls them [10:31] popey: the app will call them, but they are "standard" libs [10:31] * popey goes to walk the dogs. [10:31] biab [10:31] dogs ? [10:31] seb128: ohhhhhhhhhhhhh [10:31] sad [10:31] so sad :) [10:31] :-) [10:31] ok, fixing [10:32] thanks [10:32] popey: definitively! :-) [10:32] that's exactly my style :) [10:32] ogra_: my brother is on holiday, I'm walking his dogs :) [10:32] ah [10:32] seb128: what arch is willcooke using? [10:32]