[10:01] <tareq> hello Kilos
[10:01] <Kilos> hi tareq 
[10:02] <tareq> facing a problem in kubuntu
[10:02] <Kilos> oh my
[10:02] <Kilos> what
[10:03] <tareq> my laptop is fujitsu lh531
[10:03] <tareq> 6GB RAM
[10:03] <tareq> core i3
[10:03] <tareq> instead of these when i run firefox with multiple tab and open another 2-3 programs it becomes too slow
[10:04] <Kilos> maybe firefox is greedy with the ram or cpu use
[10:04] <tareq> cpu load monitor displays processor load is almost 100%
[10:04] <Kilos> try another browser like opera-browser and see then
[10:05] <tareq> any solution of that?
[10:05] <Kilos> i have only 4g ram
[10:05] <tareq> which browser ?
[10:05] <Kilos> opera-browser
[10:05] <tareq> ohh
[10:06] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi1_qeLxNTNAhXBCsAKHbY_APAQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntumaniac.com%2F2016%2F03%2Fopera-360-is-released-install-on-ubuntu.html&usg=AFQjCNFIaul1olyttxVy-QwdHSHqGA9AYA&sig2=EGGHg2fud9g8z1wABcJtbA
[10:08] <tareq> mine is opera 38
[10:08] <Kilos> ok
[10:10] <tareq> sometimes i do use ffmpeg in konsole
[10:10] <tareq> that is the time when processor overloaded
[10:10] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjAkJrPxNTNAhWmJ8AKHW0QD7sQFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.mozilla.org%2Fen-US%2Fkb%2Ffirefox-uses-too-many-cpu-resources-how-fix&usg=AFQjCNH-hBA8ucMD4jJgakK1Akz5BgoGug&sig2=4096YjlqlHl3ruahTboZIA
[10:12] <tareq> ok, I will try these
[10:12] <Kilos> could also be a bug still not fixed in 16.04
[10:12] <tareq> may be
[10:13] <tareq> I hope they will fix all
[10:13] <Kilos> before you reboot run sudo touch /forcefsck then reboot and see if a filesystem check helps
[10:14] <tareq> ok
[10:15] <Kilos> you can also ask for guidance on the za channel. they all know more than me
[10:17] <tareq> hello Ekushey
[10:18] <Kilos> hi Ekushey 
[10:18] <Kilos> i see chrome also does it on 16.04
[10:18] <tareq> i've uninstalled it
[10:19] <tareq> firefox, chromium, opera are my browsers
[10:19] <Kilos> lets hope opera isnt so bad
[10:22] <Kilos> otherwise you will need to dig deeper. theblazehen is pretty clued up, he hasnt said morning yet so maybe shopping
[10:25] <tareq> kde widgets are not consume much resources, right?
[10:25] <tareq> hello zaki
[10:26] <Kilos> kde is heavier than others but with 6g ram you should be ok
[10:27] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiso9ClyNTNAhWLAsAKHTWUCRAQFggpMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2319043&usg=AFQjCNHifaKo1xr0u9FC2f0r4XmLfpH7EQ&sig2=uotlGB_-w7PhHL2TU8cQmw
[10:27] <Kilos> many complaints about 100% cpu usage
[10:27] <zaki> hey tareq 
[10:27] <Kilos> hi zaki 
[10:28] <zaki> Kilos, how are you? 
[10:28] <tareq> whats up zaki
[10:28] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[10:29] <zaki> any word from pavel? since morning? 
[10:29] <Kilos> nope
[10:29] <tareq> where he has been last night?
[10:29] <zaki> he's sleeping may be.
[10:29] <zaki> who?
[10:29] <Kilos> eating most likely
[10:29] <tareq> there was dhaka attack 
[10:29] <Kilos> oh my
[10:30] <zaki> nope, not eating, we are fasting 
[10:30] <zaki> ramadan
[10:30] <Kilos> at night
[10:30] <zaki> oh. :D
[10:30] <Kilos> isnt the fast sunrise to sunset
[10:31] <tareq> yep
[10:31] <tareq> 4:31 PM here
[10:31] <tareq> almost 2 and half hr to go
[10:50] <Kilos> hi ashabadi 
[10:50] <zaki> wb ashabadi 
[10:50] <tareq> hello ashabadi
[10:50] <ashabadi> hello guys
[10:50] <ashabadi> irc seems active today?
[10:51] <zaki> yep.
[10:51] <tareq> ashabadi: I hope you are fine
[10:51] <Kilos> ashabadi you using 16.04?
[10:51] <Kilos> tareq has probs
[10:51] <tareq> firefox is the culprit here
[10:52] <Kilos> wow well thats good to know
[10:52] <tareq> its bug, they should fix it
[10:52] <zaki> last update of firefox has some problem may be.
[10:52] <zaki> i'm facing it too. 
[10:53] <tareq> I hope they would fix it soon
[10:55] <ashabadi> what's the bug in firefox?
[10:56] <Kilos> 100% cpu usage
[10:56] <ashabadi> yes
[10:56] <ashabadi> i'm also facing it
[10:56] <ashabadi> using google chromium that's why
[10:57] <Kilos> i use opera-dev and opera stable and xombrero
[10:59] <tareq> opera does not have flashgot, imagehost grabber
[10:59] <tareq> i do use firefox only for extensions
[10:59] <Kilos> report bugs
[10:59] <Kilos> the more they get the quicker it becomes priority
[11:00] <Kilos> tareq does that ff fix work?
[11:01] <tareq> dont know, I just open and close ff
[11:01] <tareq> observed the status
[11:01] <tareq> cpu usage
[11:02] <Kilos> ask on #firefox
[11:02] <tareq> 100%
[11:02] <tareq> damn
[11:02] <Kilos> someone there should have a fix
[11:02] <tareq> opera is fine, my fav too
[11:03] <tareq> need to redesign my blog
[11:03] <Kilos> i like opera and you can use fbpurity plugin to hide all the crap on facebook
[11:14] <ashabadi> last time I used opera was in 2011 I suppose
[11:14] <ashabadi> last time I used opera was in 2011 I suppose
[11:15] <Kilos> new opera is good
[11:15] <ashabadi> it was heavier browser
[11:15] <ashabadi> not sure about present scenario
[11:15] <Kilos> its much lighter now
[11:15] <Kilos> and has many plugins or extensions
[11:15] <ashabadi> does it use resource for individual tab just like chromium?
[11:16] <ashabadi> chromium allocates individual process for each tabs, making it easier to see which tab is eating resources and kill if necessary
[11:19] <Kilos> i have up to 30 tabs open at a time
[11:19] <ashabadi> that's natural now a days
[11:19] <Kilos> you can also set it to launch with all tabs still there and only open when you tick on each one
[11:19] <ashabadi> tab has made our browsing habit poor
[11:22] <Kilos> lol its easier for me to have a browser open with all tabs from day before or i forget what i was doing
[11:28] <ashabadi> QA: forecast for Dhaka
[11:28] <QA> ashabadi: Too many places match Dhaka: Dhaka, Bangladesh and Dhaka, India
[11:29] <ashabadi> there is Dhaka in India?? !!
[11:29] <ashabadi> good grief
[11:29] <Kilos> haha
[11:29] <ashabadi> QA: forecast for Dhaka, Bangladesh
[11:29] <QA> ashabadi: Saturday: Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Saturday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 27° C., Sunday: Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Sunday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 27° C., Monday: Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Monday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 27° C., Tuesday: Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Tuesday Night: Rain. Low: 26° C., Wednesday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:
[11:29] <QA> 32° C., Wednesday Night: Rain. Low: 26° C., Thursday: Thunderstorm. High: 32° C.,…
[11:30] <ashabadi> Kilos: you should fix QA and let it know there is only one Dhaka in world
[11:30] <ashabadi> if it says Dhaka is in India Bangladeshi will beat the crap out of it
[11:33] <Kilos> she is being rewritten at the moment ashabadi 
[11:33] <Kilos> there are two dhaka's maybe
[11:33] <ashabadi> humm this needs to be fixed properly
[11:33] <ashabadi> nope
[11:34] <ashabadi> only one Dhaka
[11:34] <Kilos> oh isnt there one in india?
[11:34] <ashabadi> no
[11:34] <Kilos> she gets weather reports from weather stations so thats where the prob is
[11:35] <zaki> nope Kilos 
[11:35] <zaki> only one dhaka
[11:35] <Kilos> ill look into this and give feedback
[11:36] <ashabadi> QA: forecast chittagong
[11:36] <QA> ashabadi: Saturday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 33° C., Saturday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 26° C., Sunday: Thunderstorm. High: 30° C., Sunday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 26° C., Monday: Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Monday Night: Thunderstorm. Low: 26° C., Tuesday: Thunderstorm. High: 30° C., Tuesday Night: Rain. Low: 25° C., Wednesday: Thunderstorm. High:
[11:36] <QA> 32° C., Wednesday Night: Rain. Low: 25° C., Thursday: Thunderstorm. High: 32° C.,…
[11:38] <ashabadi> the irchelp takes #bdsm as an example channel?
[11:38] <ashabadi> good :P
[11:47] <tareq> Kilos: which one is the best image editor except gimp for kde?
[11:48] <ashabadi> digikam
[11:48] <ashabadi> darktable
[11:48] <Kilos> i use gimp
[11:48] <ashabadi> if you shoot raw then rawtherape
[11:48] <tareq> digikam
[11:49] <Kilos> i use whats easiest for a mechanic and farmer
[11:49] <tareq> gimp is good one too
[11:49] <ashabadi> gimp is easy yes
[11:49] <Kilos> you clever guys use all the fancy things that take lots of thinking
[11:49] <tareq> i need light one
[11:49] <ashabadi> gimp is the lightest I suppose
[11:49] <tareq> simple crop, little bit of enhancement :P
[11:50] <Kilos> okular
[11:50] <Kilos> i cant remember what it can do
[11:50] <tareq> I hate photoshop, but ppl think photo editing only happen in PS
[11:51] <Kilos> oh no gwenview
[11:51] <tareq> given in kubuntu
[11:51] <Kilos> its in kubuntu yes
[11:52] <Kilos> right click image and choose open with
[11:52] <Kilos> somewhere there will be gwenview
[11:52] <Kilos> unless 16.04 doesnt install it by default
[11:54] <tareq> gwenview is simple
[11:54] <tareq> good one
[11:54] <Kilos> yes
[11:54] <Kilos> very easy to use
[11:54] <Kilos> much easier than gimp even
[11:54] <Kilos> and lighter
[11:54] <tareq> f-spot, gthumb, shotwell those were given before
[11:54] <tareq> yea
[11:55] <tareq> i do prefer gimp much
[11:55] <Kilos> gimp takes getting used to so i use what is the simplest
[11:55] <tareq> digikam is good for photographer
[11:56] <tareq> you can do lot of things using gimp
[11:56] <Kilos> yes but you need to learn what does what
[11:56] <Kilos> im too stupid to remember everything
[11:56] <tareq> you know, in a movie named Kahani, I've seen the actress uses gimp to edit a pic
[11:57] <tareq> not PS
[11:57] <Kilos> ah so she was on linux
[11:57] <tareq> not herself, the production team i guess
[11:57] <Kilos> many movies show hackers using linux
[11:57] <tareq> yes
[11:57] <tareq> person of interests
[11:58] <tareq> AI with linux kernel
[11:58] <tareq> another tv show called Hacker as far as i remember 
[11:59] <tareq> the group was linux geek
[11:59] <Kilos> yeah
[11:59] <tareq> to enhance security
[11:59] <zaki> Mr Robot, he is on gnome
[11:59] <tareq> yea, gnome
[11:59] <tareq> name was Mr. Robot or Hacker?
[12:00] <Kilos> i enjoyed gnome2 more than unity
[12:00] <tareq> mate is similar to gnome 2
[12:00] <zaki> that tv show name is Mr. Robot
[12:00] <tareq> ohh, crap
[12:00] <Kilos> mate is close yes
[12:00] <tareq> I forgot
[12:00] <zaki> he is a hacker 
[12:00] <Kilos> but im hooked on kde now
[12:01] <zaki> hey Kilos im on gnome de now. ;)
[12:01] <tareq> I do like gnome too, mate is good though
[12:01] <tareq> zaki: mate or gnome 3?
[12:01] <Kilos> i havent tried gnome3
[12:01] <Kilos> happy on kde
[12:01] <zaki> gnome 3
[12:01] <Kilos> less thinking once you are used to it
[12:02] <tareq> I've tried gnome 3 once, fedora lovelock
[12:02] <tareq> now I'm kde and unity guy
[12:02] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <ashabadi> grandson of Latifur Rahman died ??
[12:02] <zaki> i wish, someday i will use kde. :D
[12:03] <Kilos> i miss many movies on tv because nights are when most working guys come onto irc
[12:03] <ashabadi> I wonder how much tragedy this family will bear...
[12:03] <zaki> Who Is Latifur Rahaman?
[12:03] <ashabadi> transcom group owner
[12:03] <zaki> oh..!
[12:04] <Kilos> i go check sheep and get some sun
[12:04] <Kilos> wbb
[12:04] <Kilos> be good
[12:04] <ashabadi> hmm Kilos
[12:04] <zaki> be ggod
[12:04] <zaki> good*
[12:04] <Kilos> im always good
[12:04] <zaki> :D
[12:04] <Kilos> hehe
[12:04] <tareq> ok Kilos
[12:05] <tareq> ashabadi: few more young guys also there, dead
[12:05] <ashabadi> hmmm
[12:06] <ashabadi> I feel for Latifur Rahman cause of shazneen case.
[12:06] <ashabadi> anyway what has been gone is gone can't be returned...
[12:07] <ashabadi> I just wish BD govt will take lesson and take steps to minimize similar incident in the future, without branding it as isolated incident
[12:17] <zaki> hmm
[12:17] <tareq> hmm
[12:17] <tareq> we can hope and pray
[14:18] <Kilos> pavel must think he is on holiday
[14:19] <Kilos> or else no power again
[14:19] <ashabadi> hmm
[14:20] <ashabadi> could be power problem
[14:20] <ashabadi> since most people have already on the way hometown demand will be high
[14:39] <Kilos> i wonder if tareg is using swap
[14:40] <Kilos> that can relieve some pressure on ram and cpu
[14:40] <ashabadi> I think he is
[14:40] <ashabadi> cause we all learned to install linux with swap
[14:41] <Kilos> ah ok
[14:41] <ashabadi> all our tutorials/materials are written like swap is the ultimate solution to super fast machine :P
[14:41] <Kilos> lol
[14:41] <Kilos> it helps
[14:41] <ashabadi> though now the table has turned
[14:41] <ashabadi> ram is faster than hdd
[14:42] <Kilos> yes thats why using ssd helps
[14:42] <ashabadi> hmm
[14:42] <Kilos> more than double the speed
[14:43] <Kilos> i had a 320g drive in this lappy, and put a 128g ssd in and there is no comparison in the speeds
[14:43] <Kilos> ssd is as fast as ram it seems
[14:44] <ashabadi> hmm 
[14:44] <Kilos> there was a thing you could install to check what is slowing your machine down
[14:44] <ashabadi> ssd is not that cheap in BD yet
[14:44] <Kilos> munin
[14:44] <ashabadi> yes used it in the past...
[14:44] <Kilos> no same here, very expensive but i was lucky and got one cheap that had crashed with windows
[14:45] <ashabadi> used to play around with distro & tools a lot... now have settled
[14:45] <ashabadi> lucky you :)
[14:45] <Kilos> yeah keep your eyes open , the people buy a new one and throw the old one away
[14:46] <Kilos> i was lucky i was asked if i could try save the data off the crashed one
[14:46] <Kilos> testdisk foremost and scalpel saved nearly all the data and i got a drive
[14:46] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <ashabadi> :)
[14:47] <Kilos> data recovery is a big money game here in za
[14:48] <Kilos> the proffesionals charge the same to recover a 1TB drive as a whole new pc costs
[14:49] <ashabadi> hmm
[14:50] <ashabadi> people are not interested to pay that much in BD
[14:51] <ashabadi> earlier businesses used to do that, but they also got around with data mirror setup...
[14:51] <ashabadi> specially raid
[14:51] <Kilos> the main recoveries i have needed to do is school and varsity kids that dont want to lose all their work and old people who dont want to lose generations of family photos
[14:52] <ashabadi> also people are moving into cloud a lot
[14:52] <Kilos> yes
[14:52] <ashabadi> dropbox google drive picasa
[14:52] <ashabadi> ...
[14:52] <Kilos> i dont do cloud
[14:53] <ashabadi> I have lost my data 4 times
[14:53] <Kilos> and only apps i want to share on dropbox
[14:53] <ashabadi> after that I went to cloud
[14:53] <Kilos> i keep a good backup
[14:53] <Kilos> look at systemback
[14:53] <ashabadi> I also thought that my backup was secured...
[14:53] <ashabadi> but it was secretly failing
[14:53] <Kilos> eish
[14:54] <ashabadi> all I got was bunch of useless movie/songs
[14:55] <ashabadi> but did not back up my documents & images
[14:55] <Kilos> eish
[14:55] <ashabadi> only I am to blame actually never checked periodically
[14:55] <Kilos> one forgets
[14:55] <ashabadi> learned hard way....
[14:56] <ashabadi> the last fail was most annoying... because my ubuntu machine gave away with all my data
[14:56] <Kilos> ouch 
[14:56] <Kilos> what broke
[14:56] <ashabadi> specially that is when I got really pissed on linux system...
[14:57] <ashabadi> could not identify actually
[14:57] <ashabadi> system suddenly crashed in the middle of  system update
[14:57] <Kilos> not spinning up orwhat
[14:58] <ashabadi> was running 14.04
[14:58] <ashabadi> ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:58] <ashabadi> then in the middle of update system crashed... not sure what broke...
[14:58] <Kilos> eish
[14:59] <Kilos> i need to think a bit
[14:59] <Kilos> ive had a few drives do that
[14:59] <Kilos> oh yes
[14:59] <Kilos> badblocks
[14:59] <ashabadi> tried clean dpkg failsafeX nothing worked..
[14:59] <ashabadi> also thought of it
[14:59] <ashabadi> ran system bad sector check with gparted
[15:00] <ashabadi> did not help..
[15:00] <Kilos> here ill post the way to use it
[15:00] <ashabadi> wish I had mate you earlier :P
[15:00] <Kilos> its best to do before drive crashes i think then fsck keeps record of the bad sectors and doenst use them
[15:01] <ashabadi> hmm
[15:01] <ashabadi> kde applet just crashed :P
[15:01] <ashabadi> no desktop for me now
[15:02] <Kilos> https://bin.snyman.info/mmm5z68v
[15:02] <Kilos> what you desktop crashed now?
[15:02] <ashabadi> yup
[15:02] <ashabadi> no I meant not now
[15:03] <Kilos> you got konsole
[15:03] <Kilos> oh
[15:03] <ashabadi> I meant the kde applet crashed... no plasma now
[15:03] <Kilos> whew
[15:03] <ashabadi> black screen only in the back
[15:03] <ashabadi> can you guide how to restart plasma?
[15:03] <Kilos> no prompt
[15:04] <ashabadi> hmm
[15:04] <Kilos> have you got a terminal
[15:04] <ashabadi> let me check
[15:04] <Kilos> or press ctrl+alt+F3
[15:04] <Kilos> that should go to konsole
[15:05] <Kilos> or some prompt
[15:05] <ashabadi> hmmm its openning
[15:05] <ashabadi> yes got it
[15:05] <Kilos> do you use aptitude?
[15:05] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[15:06] <ashabadi> I don't think I have to reinstall kubuntu-desktop altogether
[15:06] <ashabadi> I think system restart will resolve it
[15:06] <Kilos> lol do it just in case
[15:06] <ashabadi> okey
[15:06] <Kilos> it should fix what caused the problem
[15:07] <Kilos> if you dont use aptitude you can run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[15:07] <ashabadi> hmm ok
[15:07] <Kilos> i think thats the apt-get reinstall
[15:07] <Kilos> i like aptitude
[15:08] <Kilos> more user friendly
[15:08] <ashabadi> have not used it for a long time
[15:08] <ashabadi> have been using apt-get for my basic need...
[15:09] <Kilos> nowadays i use apt and only use apt-get for autoremove
[15:09] <Kilos> but aptitude does that automaticallt
[15:09] <Kilos> y
[15:10] <Kilos> i learned lots about drive repair because i couldnt afford a new drive so always battled with other peoples discards
[15:11] <ashabadi> hmm
[15:12] <Kilos> saved for 2.5 years to buy a new motherboard for dual core cpu and ddr3 ram
[15:12] <ashabadi> I saved for my first pc for 25 years :P
[15:12] <Kilos> then my son gave me this buggy i5 thinkpad and with kde on its been going fine for 2 years
[15:12] <Kilos> lol
[15:13] <Kilos> i havent used computers that long
[15:13] <ashabadi> I used computer first in 95 I guess
[15:14] <Kilos> i started in 2006
[15:14] <ashabadi> or 96 can't remember properly... cause I was young back then
[15:14] <Kilos> mechanics and farmers didnt bother about pcs
[15:14] <ashabadi> hmm
[15:14] <ashabadi> time to keep finger cross and restart my pc
[15:15] <Kilos> maybe run badblocks first
[15:15] <Kilos> just the first command will tell you if there are any
[15:15] <ashabadi> ok sure
[15:16] <Kilos> but its slow
[15:16] <ashabadi> hmm yes
[15:16] <ashabadi> used it last time..
[15:16] <Kilos> it even repairs some
[15:17] <ashabadi> ok lets see what happens
[15:17] <Kilos> i have 3 drives that run with fsck marking badblocks all the time
[15:18] <Kilos> and 2 with windows installed first to use up first 50g of space because thats where the errors are
[15:18] <Kilos> normally first 5 g
[15:23] <Kilos> wb tareq 
[15:24] <tareq> thanks kilos
[15:24] <ashabadi> wc tareq
[15:43] <Kilos> ashabadi whats happening?
[15:43] <ashabadi> check completed for sda1 0 error block found
[15:43] <ashabadi> now running on sda3
[15:43] <Kilos> ok
[15:55] <Kilos> so sectors should be ok i think
[15:55] <ashabadi> it will take some time....
[15:55] <Kilos> hopefully not a bad one outside sda1
[15:55] <ashabadi> I restarted plasma
[15:56] <ashabadi> using kstart plasmashell
[15:56] <Kilos> thats a good sign
[15:56] <ashabadi> hmm
[15:56] <ashabadi> yes
[16:04] <ashabadi> Tanvir: hello again
[16:04] <Kilos> hi Tanvir 
[16:05] <Tanvir> Hey all.
[16:18] <ashabadi> Tanvir: how is your wikipedia project going?
[16:38] <Tanvir> It's going alright.
[16:51] <tareq> hello Tanvir
[17:26] <Kilos> ashabadi whats news
[17:54] <ashabadi> Kilos: I think night will pass with checking bad sector in sda3:P
[17:54] <ashabadi> 454310911 blocks
[17:58] <Kilos> oh my
[17:58] <Kilos> large drive?
[17:58] <ashabadi> 500gb drive
[17:59] <Kilos> i think you can stop it and reboot if you are in a hurry. because normally bad blocks will be in sda1
[17:59] <Kilos> your choice
[18:00] <ashabadi> I don't need to restart since I have already restarted plasma
[18:00] <Kilos> oh ok so you can leave it to run while you carry on
[18:01] <Kilos> whew
[18:01] <ashabadi> that's what planning to do
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe
[18:28] <ashabadi> I think pavlushka won't be coming today
[18:28] <ashabadi> he may be upset of the terrorist attack in BD
[18:28] <Kilos> oh my no
[18:28] <Kilos> what ters you got there
[18:29] <Kilos> same isis as everywhere else
[18:29] <Kilos> oh upset about it
[18:29] <Kilos> i thought you said he might have got caught up in it
[18:29] <Kilos> whew
[18:29] <ashabadi> hmm
[18:30] <ashabadi> no he is not in Dhaka
[18:31] <Kilos> we live in an evil world, everyone wants to kill everyone else 
[18:31] <Kilos> only geeks mostly keep clear of political nonsense
[18:33] <ashabadi> geeks also want to kill each other...
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:33] <ashabadi> kde vs gnome 
[18:33] <ashabadi> ubuntu vs fedora...
[18:33] <Kilos> i just want everyone to be friends and work together
[18:34] <Kilos> maybe im too old to be part of this new world
[18:35] <Kilos> but i have irc friends all over even 2 in russia
[18:35] <ashabadi> good to know
[18:35] <Kilos> but they been quiet for a year, maybe they been killed
[18:36] <ashabadi> hope not
[18:36] <tareq> kilos: omg, no no they are alive
[18:37] <ashabadi> russia is relatively  less terrorist attack
[18:38] <Kilos> i enjoy chatting to guys halfway around the world and learning about how they do things
[18:38] <ashabadi> interesting observation... you won't find terrorism in a facist/dictatorship...
[18:38] <Kilos> if i was rich id go taste your food as well
[18:39] <ashabadi> you should try atleast....
[18:39] <ashabadi> they are really yammy (will turn you fat in no time..)
[18:39] <Kilos> maybe there are some places here that make your food
[18:39] <Kilos> haha
[18:39] <ashabadi> I doubt.. mostly you will find indian foods
[18:40] <Kilos> we get jap and chinese and some others but no moving around much i dont know
[18:40] <Kilos> chinese is great
[18:41] <Kilos> i love indian food, and can make a good curry myself
[18:41] <ashabadi> I liked korean sushi...
[18:41] <Kilos> sushi is nice 
[18:41] <Kilos> and wasabe
[18:41] <Kilos> hot but not long burn
[18:42] <Kilos> some curry with lots of hot chili in even burns the next day
[18:42] <Kilos> haha
[18:43] <ashabadi> humm
[18:45] <ashabadi> can't actually get around myself...
[18:46] <ashabadi> just a bit upset myself for yestarday's issue..
[18:46] <Kilos> what happened yesterday
[18:46] <ashabadi> annoying thing is I'm not angry at the terrorist... I'm rather angry at the govt...
[18:46] <Kilos> oh
[18:46] <Kilos> for poor security
[18:46] <ashabadi> they are the real culprit here... for turning blind eye towards the burning issue
[18:47] <ashabadi> our govt is in denial for long
[18:48] <Kilos> if it doesnt affect them direvtly they dont care
[18:48] <Kilos> directly
[18:48] <Kilos> polititions are all liars and crooks
[18:48] <Kilos> just in it for the money
[18:48] <ashabadi> the well being and peoples concern should actually make them care...
[18:49] <ashabadi> but when we are virtually in dictatorship what can be said/done to change...
[18:50] <Kilos> the promises they make when campaining for positions all disappear once they are in
[18:50] <Kilos> the people mean nothing to them
[18:50] <Kilos> all they want from you is your tax money
[18:51] <ashabadi> hmm really sad...
[18:51] <Kilos> same everywhere
[18:52] <Kilos> better we dont talk politics
[18:52] <ashabadi> hmm
[18:52] <Kilos> upsets a good day
[18:52] <ashabadi> politics affects our everyday life...
[18:52] <ashabadi> directly or indirectly...
[18:53] <Kilos> yes we cant escape it, but we cant do anything about it iether
[18:53] <Kilos> either
[19:02] <Kilos> if you complain too loudly you get marked as a troublemaker
[19:03] <ashabadi> hmm
[19:12] <Kilos> night guys, sleep well and eat and drink lots
[19:12] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[19:13] <ashabadi> goodnight kilos
[19:13] <ashabadi> you have a sweet sound sleep
[19:13] <Kilos> ty  you too
[19:39] <ashabadi> hello RemonShai
[19:39] <RemonShai> ashabadi >>> hello
[19:40] <ashabadi> are you Bangladeshi?
[19:40] <RemonShai> ashabadi হুম
[19:40] <ashabadi> আগে দেখিনি আপনাকে চ্যানেলে, রেগুলার কি?
[19:41] <RemonShai> ashabadiv >>>আমি নতুন ব্যবহারকারী। এবং  নিয়মিত
[19:41] <ashabadi> শুনে ভালো লাগলো :)
[19:42] <ashabadi> সাধারনত এই সময় pavlushka থাকেন আজ নেই
[19:42] <RemonShai> ashabadi  হ্যাঁ,
[19:43] <RemonShai> ashabadi >>> আমার ধরা-বাধা কোন নিয়ম নেই, যখন সময় পাই চলে আসি।
[19:43] <ashabadi> বেশ তো
[19:45] <RemonShai> ashabadi >> নামাযের ফাঁকে বাড়ি আসলাম, তাই ঢুকলাম।
[19:45] <RemonShai> দিনে শুধু ঘুম হবে.../
[19:46] <ashabadi> হুমম বেশ
[19:46] <ashabadi> যদিও দিনে ঘুমানো কাজের না
[19:48] <RemonShai> ashabadi সারারাত নামাজ পড়লাম।
[19:50] <RemonShai> ashabadi  আসলে আপনার নামটা কি...?
[19:50] <ashabadi> আমার  নাম শাহরিয়ার তারিক
[19:51] <RemonShai> ও...... :)
[19:52] <ashabadi> আপনার নাম?
[19:53] <RemonShai> ashabadi রিমন সাই
[19:54] <RemonShai> ashabadi ভাই, আমি অত্যন্ত দুঃক্ষিত...! এখন আর সময় দিতে পারছি না। :(  পরে কথা হবে.....
[19:55] <ashabadi> ঠিক আছে, কোন সমস্যা নেই
[20:15] <pavlushka> Oh, there is ashabadi, yeah,...
[20:15] <pavlushka> Hello  every one!
[20:15] <pavlushka> Hello tareq 
[20:15] <ashabadi> হেলো পাভেল
[20:30] <pavlushka> ভাল আছেন?
[20:30] <pavlushka> ashabadi: ?
[20:30] <ashabadi> না মেজাজ খারাপ
[20:30] <ashabadi> থাকাটাই স্বাভাবিক আসলে
[20:30] <pavlushka> sorry my speaker was switched off but I was relying on that to notify me.
[20:31] <pavlushka> ashabadi: হ্যা , স্বাভাবিক
[20:31] <ashabadi> কোন সমস্যা নেই
[20:31] <pavlushka> checked the logs
[20:32] <pavlushka> you were looking for me a liittle, :)
[20:32] <pavlushka> Hello AudaciousTUX 
[20:32] <pavlushka> wb
[20:32] <AudaciousTUX> helu
[20:33] <AudaciousTUX> আমি কতক্ষণ ধইরা রিকানেক্টের ট্রাই করতেছিলাম হইতেছিল না
[20:33] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: সেক্ষেত্রে Hexchat restart করবেন
[20:34] <pavlushka> better
[20:34] <AudaciousTUX> হুম্ম... তাই করলাম... রিকানেক্টে দিয়া চেষ্টা করছিলাম হইতেছিল না :3
[20:35] <pavlushka> ashabadi: আপনার মেজাজ খারাপ মনে হয় #DhakaAttack নিয়ে?
[20:35] <ashabadi> হুমম
[20:36] <AudaciousTUX> somewherein blog e koyekta pic diche
[20:36] <AudaciousTUX> ektu age dekhlam https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007064235332&fref=ts&__mref=message_bubble eirokom ek cheleo ei kaj korte pare
[20:37] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: zaki আমরা তখন irc তে ছিলাম
[20:37] <AudaciousTUX> kokhon??
[20:39] <AudaciousTUX> ekjon NSU er :|
[20:39] <AudaciousTUX> https://www.facebook.com/SumonMSelim/posts/1701829323412052
[20:43] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: গতকাল রাতে
[20:44] <AudaciousTUX> ow
[20:45] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: How Nibras Islam is connected?
[20:46] <AudaciousTUX> https://www.facebook.com/SumonMSelim/posts/1701829323412052 post ta dekhen
[20:46] <AudaciousTUX> + comment
[20:52] <pavlushka> I think the idea was for them to do something like Hollywood action in Real life, they were all seems to be well provided, brainwash thing was may be just to motivate them, because before that their lifestyle doesn't seem to be that much Islamic.
[20:52] <ashabadi> পাভেল হলিউড স্টাইল প্রথমজনকে খুনের মধ্যেই বের হয়ে যেতো
[20:53] <ashabadi> ২০ জন মানুষকে হত্যা করা সহজ কাজ না
[20:53] <ashabadi> আর স্বভাবতই এটা কেউ প্রথম চেষ্টায় করতে পারবে বলে মনে হয় না আমার
[20:53] <ashabadi> আগেও এরা খুন করেছে নিশ্চয়ই
[20:53] <pavlushka> ashabadi: when you got a light machine but not a pistol, it supposed to drive you to do some more.
[20:54] <ashabadi> নাহলে একটা মিশনে এদের এমনি এমনি ছেড়ে দিতো না
[20:54] <ashabadi> পাভেল কাউকে গুলি করে মারা হয়নি
[20:54] <ashabadi> ছুরি মেরেছে আর জবাই করেছে
[20:54] <pavlushka> ashabadi: sorry!
[20:54] <ashabadi> আমি এখন পর্যন্ত কোন মুরগী জবাই করতে পারি নাই
[20:55] <ashabadi> কোরবানীর সময় পালায় বেরাই
[20:55] <AudaciousTUX> :v
[20:55] <ashabadi> সেখানে ২০ জন মানুষকে ছুরি মারা আর জবাই করা সহজ?
[20:55] <pavlushka> ashabadi: you are not eligible for IS
[20:55] <AudaciousTUX> apnare is e nibena
[20:56] <ashabadi> আমি আইএসে যেতেও চাই না
[20:56] <pavlushka> I know that but sigh
[20:57] <ashabadi> আসলে মেজাজ আমার খারাপ ছেলেগুলোর জন্য না আমার মেজাজ খারাপ সরকারের উপর
[20:57] <ashabadi> আর কতোটা বিচ্ছিন্ন ঘটনা বলে উড়ায় দিতে থাকবে?
[20:57] <AudaciousTUX> CNN kisu aulfaul kotha bolleo ekta kotha thik bolche
[20:58] <ashabadi> ঘটনার সময় কোন অফিসিয়াল স্টেটমেন্ট নাই, ঘটনার পরও কোন স্টেটমেন্ট নাই কেবল কয়জন জঙ্গি আর জিম্মি মারা গেছে আর কয়জন উদ্ধার হয়েছে
[20:58] <ashabadi> পরবর্তী নির্দেশনা নাই
[20:58] <ashabadi> এখনও বলবে আই এস না সরকার বিরোধীপক্ষ করছে এসব
[20:58] <AudaciousTUX> হুম্ম
[20:58] <AudaciousTUX> এই জিনিশটা CNN এও বলছে
[20:59] <AudaciousTUX> এই দেশে কিছু হইলে বিরোধীদলের উপরে চাপাই দেয়া কমন জিনিশ... এই রকম নিউজ যদি CNN এ দেয় তাইলে কেমন আলগে :3
[21:03] <pavlushka> ashabadi: I dont see any point, any relevancy of IS attacks, why they formed, what is their agenda, just chaos, fishy things, who is actually behind IS (driving them) I wonder.
[21:03] <ashabadi> পুরোটাই রাজনৈতিক খেলা
[21:04] <pavlushka> ashabadi: you are supposed to point global politics I guess.
[21:05] <pavlushka> *it actually not supposed to but trying to
[21:05] <ashabadi> পাভেল ইকোনোমিক গ্রুপ প্রতি ২০ বছর অন্তর ফোরকাস্ট করে আগামী ২০ বছরে কারা অনুন্নত থেকে উন্নয়নশীল/উন্নত দেশে পরিনত হবে
[21:05] <pavlushka> and?
[21:06] <ashabadi> বাংলাদেশের আগামী ২০ বছরে উন্নত দেশে রুপান্তর হবার কথা
[21:06] <ashabadi> স্বাভাবিকভাবেই আশেপাশের অনেক দেশই চাবে যাতে তা না হয়
[21:06] <pavlushka> making sense
[21:07] <ashabadi> দেশের মেরুদন্ড ভাঙ্গতে বেশি কিছু লাগে না, দেশের শিক্ষা ধ্বংস করো (জিপিএ সিস্টেম/রিটেন এক্সাম উঠায় দেয়া/সৃজনশীল পরীক্ষা)
[21:08] <ashabadi> অর্থনীতি পঙ্গু করো (গার্মেন্টস ধ্বংস করলো রানা প্লাজা ধ্বস/তাজনীন ফ্যাক্টরিতে আগুন, চিংড়ি মড়ক শুটকি বন্ধ)
[21:08] <pavlushka> ashabadi: but these systems are applied in other developed countries as well, to my knowledge.
[21:08] <ashabadi> এখন কর আর ভ্যাটের শোষনে ব্যবসা করতে দিচ্ছে না
[21:09] <ashabadi> পাভেল সবকিছুরই ভালো দিক মন্দ দিক থাকে
[21:09] <ashabadi> ইচ্ছা করে ঠেলে দেয়া হচ্ছে ধ্বংসের দিকে
[21:09] <ashabadi> সিজিপিএ সিস্টেম খারাপ না, সৃজনশীল সিস্টেমও না
[21:10] <pavlushka> ashabadi: So you want to say, these are no coincidence?
[21:10] <ashabadi> কিন্তু আমাদের দেশে সৃজনশীল সিস্টেমে যা চলে তা আসলে সৃজনশীলতা না, তা এখনও মুখস্থ বিদ্যার উপর কোচিং ব্যবসার উপর
[21:10] <ashabadi> কোন সরকার যদি ওপেনলি বলে মানুষের নির্যাতন নির্যাতন না, নির্দোষ ফান
[21:10] <AudaciousTUX> coaching er upre dosh diya lavnai
[21:11] <AudaciousTUX> school college er theke coaching valo poray+bujhay.... ontoto udvash e
[21:11]  * pavlushka doesn't believes in coincidence though, He always cross checks.
[21:11] <ashabadi> দ্রুত কাজের বিনিময়ে টাকা নেয়া ঘুষ বা অন্যায় না
[21:11] <AudaciousTUX> lol
[21:11] <AudaciousTUX> mal muhit fact :3
[21:11] <ashabadi> মানুষ খুন বিচ্ছিন্ন ঘটনা
[21:12] <ashabadi> তাহলে কিভাবে সরকার একই সাথে এতো বিষয়ে ইনকম্পিটেন্ট?
[21:12] <ashabadi> তাহলে সেই সরকার ক্ষমতায় থাকে কি করে?
[21:12] <AudaciousTUX> karon hoyto valo kono protidondi nai :|
[21:12] <pavlushka> ashabadi: you have any better choice?
[21:12] <ashabadi> প্রতিদন্দী দাড়াতে দিচ্ছে না
[21:12] <AudaciousTUX> humm
[21:13] <ashabadi> ইউনুস দাড়াতে চেয়েছিলো গ্রামীন ব্যাংক কেড়ে নিয়েছে
[21:13] <ashabadi> আর যারা আছে তারা সবাই একই গোয়ালের গরু
[21:14] <pavlushka> ashabadi: AudaciousTUX না বিএনপি, না আওয়ামিলীগ, কেউই তা হতে দেবেনা, একমাত্র এ ব্যাপারে তারা একজোট
[21:14] <ashabadi> কিন্তু তারপরও কেনো সব মন্ত্রী মাথা মোটা হবে?
[21:14] <ashabadi> এটা বিশ্বাসযোগ্য?
[21:14] <AudaciousTUX> jogajog montri ar polok tao ektu hoileo line e ache.... 
[21:14] <ashabadi> নির্দেশনা না পেলে এমন মাথা মোটা ব্যবহার করে পার পেতো না
[21:15] <ashabadi> সরকারেরও ইমেজের বিষয় আছে
[21:15] <ashabadi> সরকারেরও ঝুকি আছে ক্যু হওয়ার। সরকার নিশ্চয়তা পাচ্ছে ক্যু হবে না তাই তারা এতোটা বেপরোয়া
[21:17] <ashabadi> আর্মির স্পেশাল কমান্ডো ইউনিট ঢাকায় না থেকে সিলেটে কেনো তা ভেবে দেখেছেন?
[21:17] <ashabadi> ঢাকায় থাকতে দিবে না
[21:18] <pavlushka> যে জাতি যেরুপ, সে জাতি সেরুপ নেতা পায়, আমার জানা নেপোলিয়ান বচন,  নেতারা আসমান থেকে টপকায় না
[21:18] <ashabadi> নেতারা আসমান থেকে টপকায় না, কিন্তু নেতাদের আমরাই উৎসাহিত করছি
[21:19] <pavlushka> আমি সেটাই বলছি
[21:20] <ashabadi> কিন্তু উৎসাহিত করলেও সরকার দায়িত্বজ্ঞানহীন হবে কেনো?
[21:21] <pavlushka> কারন সরকার সেসব কান্ডজ্ঞানহীন নেতাদের সমন্বয়!
[21:22] <ashabadi> আমি মনে করি না
[21:22] <ashabadi> পুরো দল একসাথে কান্ডজ্ঞানহীন হবে
[21:22] <ashabadi> এই একই দল এর আগেও ক্ষমতায় আসছিলো
[21:22] <ashabadi> ৫ বছর আগেও ক্ষমতায় ছিলো
[21:22] <ashabadi> এতোটা উদ্ধত ছিলো না
[21:24] <ashabadi> যাই হোক
[21:24] <ashabadi> এগুলো নিয়ে কথা বলে আসলে তেমন লাভ নেই
[21:25] <pavlushka> ৫ বছরের জায়গায় যদি আপনাকে ১০ বছরের জন্য ক্ষমতা দেয়া হয়, স্বাভাবিক, আপনি আরে বেশি বেপরোয়া হবেন