ahoneybunmm who was the one I reported the OSK bug too?02:08
ahoneybunman the amount of bugs fixed in OTA12 is crazy!02:13
nhainesThere is no OTA-12?02:42
ahoneybunnhaines: no 12?02:52
ahoneybunso Touch as failed as a platform?02:54
ahoneybunRIP #Converge02:54
nhainesIt was truly an American icon.02:55
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nhainesDarn it, I can't create a xenial libertine container.04:29
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cariverihi everyone. my ubuntuphone seems to always get a static ip instead of a new lease from dhcp . thus I cannot get to wifi connect properly.10:21
cariverihi everyone. my ubuntuphone seems to always get a static ip instead of a new lease from dhcp. thus I cannot wifi connect properly.10:44
cariveriwhat can I do?10:44
SebthreeBQM10HDcariveri, seems quite dead in here right now,  but Isuppouse it's Sundayso, and no I can't help with your issue10:54
cariveriI see.10:56
cariverihi again.13:20
popeycariveri: do you control the dhcp server?13:24
popeycariveri: typically a client will re-ask for the same IP, and the dhcp server will usually allow it13:24
popeycariveri: if you have access to the dhcp server you can revoke the lease usually13:24
cariveripopey: that serve is a simple provider given router, to which I do have access. but it doesnt allow for revokations.13:25
cariveriit allows for setting a time limit for leases.13:26
cariveriwhich I set to the minimum value of 30 minutes.13:26
stakewinner00when will the new ota be released?13:37
popeycariveri: strange, not seen that issue, sorry.13:44
popeystakewinner00: 10 days or so? https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/1213:44
cariveripopey: thank you anyways!13:44
stakewinner00popey, thank you. I was used to read news about the OTAs on softpedia, but lately i didn't read nothing about it.13:45
popeythere's a quiet announce mailing list13:47
popeywhich is easier to digest than the busy phone list.13:47
stakewinner00 i'll subscribe to it then.13:56
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-announce is the list btw14:13
aquarius_How do I find out which directory a scope is allowed to read files from?14:45
ghosalmartinanyone around thats working on libhybris?14:53
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dobeyaquarius_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/platform/guides/app-confinement/ "Runtime Environment"17:01
aquarius_aha, thank you!17:02
dobeyaquarius_: see the bit about <APP_PKGNAME>17:02
aquarius_yup.   owner @{HOME}/.local/share/@{APP_PKGNAME}/ r,17:02
JaapJolmani got a question17:24
JaapJolmani just installed ubuntu touch on a normal meizu pro 517:25
JaapJolmaneverthing seems to work great except for vpn17:25
JaapJolmanwhen i try to connect using openvpn as the vpn type i get no secret error and it wont connect17:26
SebthreeBQM10HDJaapJolman, I don't think many people will use or try and use vpns with ubuntu devices yet17:29
ogra_JaapJolman, using the builtin VPN editor ?17:30
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, why not ? it works just fine usually17:30
JaapJolmanthe one underneath settings17:30
SebthreeBQM10HDis there a player available  a native one for playing MP4 's ?17:30
JaapJolmani checked it creates the files17:30
SebthreeBQM10HDcoudn't seem to find one in the store17:30
JaapJolmanbut when i press activate i get no secrets connection failed17:31
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, hi17:31
JaapJolmani tried to connect to a mikrotik openvpn server17:31
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, the preinstalled mediaplayer should play mp417:31
JaapJolmanusing certificates and username and password17:31
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, and I just don't think of people using the tablets with vpn17:31
ogra_it does here at least17:31
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, hmm where's that, I can't seem to see find17:31
ogra_VPN works since 1.5 years ... the UI bits only landed recently though17:32
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, just open the file from the video scope17:32
ogra_it should launch the mediaplayer17:32
JaapJolmancould you help me get it to work ogra17:32
ogra_JaapJolman, i havent used VPN in ages17:32
ogra_did you check the logs ?17:32
JaapJolmanfirst how do i make a screen of what i see17:33
ogra_namely syslog17:33
JaapJolmanlet me check17:33
ogra_you press both volume buttons17:33
JaapJolmancan i send a screenshot using this webbased irc?17:33
JaapJolmanwait let me upload it somewhere17:34
ogra_you can install mzanetti's imgur upload tool and upload your screenshot to imgurl ... then you can post the url here17:34
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, ok I uhmm yeah ok found scope17:37
SebthreeBQM10HDturns out it worked in the native browser17:37
SebthreeBQM10HDhe h I am so going to have to watch those videos :d17:37
SebthreeBQM10HDI am in  :d  I se e at least one17:37
JaapJolmanthats the thing i get when i try to connect17:38
JaapJolmanwill try to open syslog17:38
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, have you got any paid Ubuntu apps,  just came across something in the store that it seems could be intersting17:41
ogra_nope, no paid apps here17:42
JaapJolmanogra did you see the screen17:42
ogra_yeah, says nothing17:43
JaapJolmanow how can i get to syslog for the vpn stuff because tail -f /var/log/syslog is going so fast i cannot get a screenshot17:44
ogra_generic VPN should work though ... PPTP doesnt yet17:44
ubot5Launchpad bug 1523946 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "PPTP VPN support" [High,Confirmed]17:44
JaapJolmanow how to do pptp because that type box is not letting me select anything17:45
ogra_and https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1495553 should have a list of the current limitations17:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1495553 in indicator-network (Ubuntu) "[System settings] VPN configuration not possible" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:46
ogra_so currently you can only connect to actual OpenVPN endpoints17:46
JaapJolmanthats what i am trying17:47
JaapJolmani setup openvpn server on my mikrotik CCR100917:47
JaapJolmanit works with a normal openvpn config file17:47
ogra_well, you probably need to wait til someone working on either the VPN editor or the backend is around ... usually there is nobody here on weekends17:56
ogra_also, file a bug ...17:57
ogra_(see channel topic for filing bugs)17:57
SebthreeBQM10HDyour here on the weekend I see ogra_  :d18:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbut if you mean people such as bregma ok18:03
ogra_i mean pete-woods (VPN UI) or awe (network manager)18:04
JaapJolmanorga_ i also tried using default config that works on desktop vpn and my servers and successfully connected using terminal18:09
JaapJolmanthanks anyways18:14
JaapJolmangoing to watch some tv XD18:14
muka_is it possible to use/share phone camera as a webcam?18:32
SebthreeBQM10HDmuka_, I think so with certain things18:33
SebthreeBQM10HDmuka_, some web apps, maybe one or two apps as well18:33
SebthreeBQM10HDmuka_, so depending on the app or website, well yes it seems, in answer to your question18:34
muka_SebthreeBQM10HD, I'm looking for a way to share phone camera with my laptop. This connection can be via adb.18:38
popeymuka_: not currently possible18:39
ogra_popey, weeeell .... you could write an app that ships a webserver and uses the camera18:41
SebthreeBQM10HDmuka_, yepp that sounds to advanced for Ubuntu touch currently18:41
ogra_some nodejs trickery18:41
popeyi guess18:42
popeyall solutions are a matter of programming18:42
ogra_indeed :)18:42
popeynothing currently available to do what muka_ wants18:42
ogra_indeed :)18:42
dobeyreally, you'd have to expose the phone usb connection as a v4l usb device of some sort, which proxies the camera through18:45
dobeynot sure anything does that, even with android or ios, or even on windows phones18:46
grasstypeam I wrong, or does that sound like a security hole18:47
dobeylife is a security hole18:47
SebthreeBQM10HDyep  a spy cam18:48
muka_or just use it as webcam for jitsi or skype.18:50
grasstypeI still like the idea. Phone = my all purpose computing device AND my all-purpose peripheral.18:51
grasstypewhile we're at it, let it be my moving picture frame, backup storage, and sock folder.18:52
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, yes i am using my tablet mostly now :)18:52
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, absoutly fine for basic things, web browsing, email,  IRC, music18:52
SebthreeBQM10HDwho needs a computer for that now reallly, I don't18:53
grasstypeSebthreeBQM10HD, what do you do with it?18:53
popeytalking to you, for one18:53
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, especially when it's attached and connected to this Logitech k480 is nice :)18:53
SebthreeBQM10HDbasic computer stuff mostly so far,  and yeah18:54
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I thinik only really need a computer now for rather specific things18:54
SebthreeBQM10HDand it's fun to have standard desktop linux programs on there a  bit to18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma is doing awesome work with Libertine :)18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, and Unity 8 is nice on the ubuntu phone and tablet18:55
SebthreeBQM10HDnot so sure about unity 8 for computer,  but that will be interesting18:56
SebthreeBQM10HDand he's gone oh well18:56
SebthreeBQM10HDwb grasstype18:57
SebthreeBQM10HDyay for what?18:57
grasstypeyeah, I was trying to type, but somehow I lost focus on xchat18:57
SebthreeBQM10HDblame  popey18:58
SebthreeBQM10HDand there's even an ap;p for that or was18:58
grasstypeusing the m10 here as well, so I think I will18:58
grasstypeall popey's fault18:58
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, FHD or HD :?18:58
grasstypehad to get the prettier one :)18:58
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, the price difference was enough to make me go for HD first at the time18:59
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, ,but I will buy a FHD one in the next few months or so as well as long as doesn't go out of stock on bq,18:59
SebthreeBQM10HDI had wanted both all along18:59
grasstypewell, I was pretty desperate to get a device at the time. In america, and have been waiting on the phone forever by that point18:59
dobeygrasstype: you can probably put your phone in a sock, but probably shouldn't try to put a sock in your phone19:00
grasstypeit came out around the same time as the last phone, but the phone didn't have the right bands to get any better than 2G on Ting19:00
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah most of the fan boys when for fhd going by omgubuntu anyway,  and there covourage was so bad it made the hd sound so rubbish19:00
SebthreeBQM10HD,but no the hd is nice19:00
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, American issue19:00
grasstypeHonestly the resolution didn't matter to me at all, I just like knowing it's the nice one.19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, got differnet type of network there so19:01
grasstypeWell, moving to europe is complicated19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, he h if I hav both I can compare the rsolutions as well19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDsee what the difference really is or not19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I prefered the white colour though19:01
SebthreeBQM10HDblack is boring and standard19:02
grasstypeto me they're both boring and standard19:02
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat are you going to use yours for?19:02
grasstypeI would like the white, just because it wouldn't get as hot in the sun (I think)19:02
SebthreeBQM10HDthe s un doesn't feel hot to me here19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDso much for summer19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDany proper summer heat where you are popey ?19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDtoday right now19:03
grasstypeI went out on the hammock yesterday for like 10 minutes and the thing was burning up in my hands19:03
dobey12C is "summer heat" where popey is19:03
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey,  I am in England to and no that's meant to be spring temperature19:04
dobey22C is like people start dying from heat stroke19:04
grasstypewe've been in the 80's F here, so that's what... upper 20's C?19:04
popeyhttp://imgur.com/Lv2TEsZ today19:04
SebthreeBQM10HDany where  near 30 is a heat wave19:04
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, uh I can't click on that19:04
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, no working links in liberitne just yet19:05
SebthreeBQM10HDor copy and paste for that matter19:05
popeyah, bummer19:05
SebthreeBQM10HDapparnatly both things are being worked on now though or soon hmm19:05
SebthreeBQM10HDone is ota 12 other in ota 13 or whatever bregma said19:05
grasstypewhen is ota 12 due?19:05
grasstypeon hice19:06
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, I could get your link from this channels log later though :d might just do that19:06
grasstypeto answer your earlier question btw, I ust the m10 at work for learning c++19:06
grasstypeterminal and a chroot19:06
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, grasstype will be nice wh en things you would just expect to work really or hope work do.  links in libertine the xapps yep.  copy ad paste in anything, and touch screen keyboard working in libertine stuff as well19:08
SebthreeBQM10HDbut hey I already see n Ubuntu touch progress here and there,  I remember when the native browser was so awful that it coudn't clear the histroy even, on the bq e 4.519:08
SebthreeBQM10HDand when the option to not send cashes to Canonical switched itself back on19:09
grasstypedefinitely. On the bright side, right now it has what I need in a device19:09
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, same here :) although will be nice when the things I just mentioned work as well :)19:10
grasstypeChris on LAS and a bunch of reviewers keep talking about how they need xyz specific proprietary app, but all I need is is a podcast player and a terminal19:10
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, popey oh yeah and I got a gaming tablet as well now for uhmm retro gaming so19:10
grasstypethe GBA app works pretty well btw, I used it for pokemon a couple of times19:11
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, I am glad I crowd funded the chip, that's a pretty interesting arm basad debian thing,  the chip is a bit like Rassbery Pi, and then there's the pocket chip which is like a container hting iwth a screen etc, interesting stuff19:11
SebthreeBQM10HDrecieved those earlier this week :)19:11
grasstypeHow are they better than the pi?19:11
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, well it can run like any Arm program that has been compiled for DEbian19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I havent done that much with mine yet19:12
grasstypecouldn't you do that with a pi? just install arm debian and done?19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDhas a nice interface,  and set up stuff,  just how it is as well by default is nice19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, it was like a cheap mini pc type thing or whatever it was19:12
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, has a thing fo r making game and multimeida stuff toetc19:12
grasstypealright, cool19:13
grasstypeI really should get a new charger for this... takes WAY too long19:13
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, the bq?19:13
grasstypeyup, the m1019:14
grasstypeit's a huge battery19:14
grasstypeif it's near dead, it takes more than 12 hours on my standard usb phone chargers I have19:14
grasstypeI'll plug it in at 3am, and unplugg it at 2 pm the next day and it's at like 80%19:15
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, the bq chargers not been good here19:15
grasstypeoh? I can't use the bq. America19:15
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, that I got sent for the 4.5 and tablet since euro plugs, not uk, bu that's ok I charge like everything now with the one a uk plug, that came for the Meizu MX 419:15
SebthreeBQM10HDand that works well :)19:15
grasstypesweet :)19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, altouhg I wonder a bit with my gaming tablet if that charges right like that, or not really19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDindeed battery life is good19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDfor the bq m10 hd19:16
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, so is that your first ubuntu device ?19:16
grasstypeother than my desktop19:17
SebthreeBQM10HDthe fhd19:17
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, yeah new devices have there purpouse19:17
SebthreeBQM10HDget new people in19:17
grasstypeMy desktop has been on ubuntu since 6.0619:17
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, however I am not so interestd in getting the Meizu MX 6 Ubunu even though I expect that to be quite god19:17
grasstypeback when it still had a powerpc port, and I was on a G419:17
SebthreeBQM10HDquite good19:17
SebthreeBQM10HD,but that's since I got the MX 419:17
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, now if that one can actsaully support the american networks, that will be sold quite a bit to people over there I Think, who know about this19:18
SebthreeBQM10HDthe MX 6 t19:18
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, popey  has nearly every UBuntu device so far!19:18
grasstypeyeah, I'm gone on the window for an ubuntu phone for at least a few months now. FActory work with a family and tons of debt doesn't give me lots of wiggle room19:18
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, indeed money is  the other issue for a lot of us, tech devices get expensive19:19
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, MX 6 is going to sell more than the one plus three it seems hmm19:19
grasstypethe oneplus is android though?19:21
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, yes but mariogrip is working on an unoffical port of Ubuntu Touch to it19:21
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, hardware wise one plus phones are apparantly amazing though19:22
grasstypeThat was weird. I suddenly couldn't type the back or enter keys19:24
SebthreeBQM10HDwb grasstype what was last message you got from me?19:24
grasstypehardware wise one plus phones are apparently amazing though **19:24
SebthreeBQM10HDyep last thing I sent19:24
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, but people need to buy BQ and Meizu Ubuntu's19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDor they won't just sell them I Guess19:25
grasstypeI'd rather a pre-installed phone anyways19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen certain things are more sorted out in touch as well19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDsome other company will do a device I expect19:25
grasstypeI don't know why, but I feel really uncomfortable installing via side channel on a phone19:25
grasstypeespecially the whole os19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, a rom ?19:25
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, yeah I haven't done that, but indeed it does seem a bit complacted in a way19:26
grasstypeI'm slightly afraid of bricking a phone due to my own stupidity19:26
SebthreeBQM10HDprobably about as easy as putting Linux on a PC though once know how really though19:26
SebthreeBQM10HDsome manfuactures like bq will provide offical software for that to19:26
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I think I already bricked a phone actsually,  or something similar when I....19:26
grasstypeno, a pc is pretty hard to break permanently just by installing ubuntu through their own installer19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, Jolla is also a interesting phone to look at maybe get I got one :19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, shame about the tablet crowd funding issues though19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDI got the first half of my re fund though19:27
SebthreeBQM10HDwell got and spent weeks ago now months19:28
grasstypeI honestly don't know why I should like Jolla19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, since Salifish OS is a nice OS19:28
grasstypeis it?19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDruns btfs in the background even19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDand wayland for the graphic stuff19:28
SebthreeBQM10HDand it's also got a thing for runniing most ANdroid apps even which worked well when I tried :)19:29
SebthreeBQM10HDas for native apps, it has some, my phone went black, when I Hadn't updated the whole os so...19:29
grasstypeAh, that's right, they're both trying to run android apps, right?19:29
SebthreeBQM10HDUbuntu isn't19:29
grasstypeI know, which is one of the reasons I trust them more19:29
SebthreeBQM10HDbut once this Libertine stuff is more sorted out Libertine xmir yes19:29
SebthreeBQM10HDI think19:29
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I mean we got thousands of standard Desktop LInux programs already made19:30
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat 20 years or so worth of them ?19:30
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, imagine being able to run most of them and well, on your tablet or ubuntu phone?  the tablet has a demo preview19:30
grasstypeeh, yeah. But some of those programs from the 90's aren't much to cough about19:30
SebthreeBQM10HDpurtine, that's the Firefox, Libre Office, Gedit, and gimp on there19:31
SebthreeBQM10HDthere's a way to hack it as well so can run a load more stuff already19:31
grasstypeTo get ALL the apps I want, I'd need x86, and I'm not sure that's worth it either19:31
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, right, but for some a mouse and keyboard as well, and again who needs a computer :D ?19:31
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, you won't though when that's  more sorted out19:31
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, since xmir runs x86 programs, but on arm if it's on the phone or tablet19:32
grasstypemaybe... wait what?19:32
grasstypexmir will emulate x86 on arm?19:32
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, only for rather specific things you would still need a computer since the tableta nd phone hardware won't be powerful enough and such19:32
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, it doesn't exactly emulate or it does sort of,  it's more like it runs them19:32
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, Ubuntu DEsktop is going to be like the tablet as well19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDlook at what you got here on your tablet now19:33
grasstypeyeah, desktop is still way better than what I have on here19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDin about two years, starting with 16.10 things going in that direction, well Ubuntu Desktop will be like that as well and by default probably19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, you can run Unity 8 and libertine stuff on the computer even,19:33
grasstypeconfession btw - I don't use libertine19:34
grasstypeI barely have any idea what it is19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, there will be a  way to do that from Ubuntu 16.10 from the log in screen19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I know where there's a good video explaining liberitne since I was there :d19:34
grasstypeI have the ubuntu 8 preview on the desktop, it's... not really all that useable yet19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDthere will also be something out there from the last ubuntu online summ it as well19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, exactly on the desktop it is and isn't useable, but they will be working on that more now for Ubuntu 16.1019:35
grasstypewell, good. Needs lots of work19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDeventually Unity  7 will be replaced by that as default as well19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDmaybe for 16.10 even19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDor 17.04 I guess if not19:35
grasstypethought that 16.10 was already out19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, same Unity 8 on everything, same code in background basically19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDyep that's what they are working to19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, 16.04 yes, not 16.1019:36
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, if you use libre office firefox gimp or gedit on your tablet, yep your using Libertine19:37
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, persoanlly I think, that's more intereting than their convergence goal, but that's good as well19:37
grasstypewell, I use xchat...19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, ok well there you go you do use it19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDyes xchat gnome is using it19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDI forgot about that one when I put the prorgrams, even though I am using it right now h eh19:38
grasstypefunny how that works19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat to forget what you were actsually using ?19:38
grasstypeI'm o the M10 right now19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDyes same19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDor I woudn't be using this name19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDI would just be well sebsebseb otherwise19:39
grasstypefunny thing - I try to use a different user name on every program19:39
grasstypeI have had like 8 reddit accounts19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, well I coud'n't reemmber what I had put on the computer for sebsebseb19:39
grasstypeI have 4 just right now, for different use cases and devices19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDlong password iwth ranomd characers etc so yeah19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDand I  thought ok why not have a name to go with the tablet use :) eventually after a few settled on this one :0/19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, but when I got a FHD as well uhmm right another name h eh ?19:40
grasstypeI figure if I'm going to have a pseudonym, I should probably keep it interesting19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDI think there's a way to link the IRC accounts together as wel19:41
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, why on the deskop do you think unity 8 needs a lot of work ?19:42
grasstypelets see, from memory...19:42
grasstypemir means no proprietary graphics, means no decent steam on my machine19:43
grasstypeI don't think it snaps to the sides or corners19:43
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, propritary drivers will come, I think Nivia and  AMD might have even been working on something already19:43
SebthreeBQM10HDsame for wayland19:43
SebthreeBQM10HDdoesn't snap to side or corners how you mean?19:43
grasstypeI have to admit it's been like a month since I spent 5 minutes on it, I don't remember too well19:44
grasstypebut if you drag the window to the side of the screen, does it snap to the side?19:44
grasstypeit doesn't on my tablet, at least not with my fingers19:44
grasstypeit's pretty essential to computing for me19:45
grasstypeI don't remember trying any more19:45
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I had itworking from repos it was alriight19:46
grasstypeidk then19:46
grasstypeI could do a sudo apt update on it and try again19:46
grasstypeI just remember a vague impression19:47
grasstypeI remember more reasons why I don't like gnome shell honestly, and I haven't used that in like 6 months19:47
grasstypestill feel the pain of "wtf" there19:47
SebthreeBQM10HDthat's unity 8 though not gnome shell19:48
SebthreeBQM10HDand I like GNOME  3 and GNOME  Shell :)19:49
SebthreeBQM10HDsince it's good :)19:50
grasstypehow do you use it and not bash your head against the wall? I know some people swear by it, and I just don't get it19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDI wasn't so keen on unity 7 at first19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDbut even that is ok19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDUnity 8 I do think is better on tablet and phone19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDon desktp hmm19:50
grasstypeHonestly the only thing I don't like about unity 7 is how laggy and weird the search bar is19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDUNity 8 isn't quiite made for desktops yet it seems goig by what I SAW19:50
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, Gnome  Shell was first19:51
SebthreeBQM10HDUnity came later19:51
grasstypegreat thing is I don't care what is first, I still bash my head against hte wall when trying it19:51
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype,  I remember trying a GNOME Shell preview on top of GNOME 2 in Mandriva 2010. well 0 or 1 or 219:52
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, still got that on a net book here19:52
SebthreeBQM10HDIt's a intereting perview even now, but can see the progress more now where gnome went19:52
grasstypeforced use of the corner, a weird almost dock on the left that doesn't work quite right19:52
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I think partly why I like Unity 8 on the phone and tablet is since  their former community manager19:53
grasstypeevery time you look at your dock to open a porgram, you're also looking at search and all yoru desktops...19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDJono Bacon19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDwould be so great at hyping Ubuntu up19:53
grasstypeGotta love Jono19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDshowing  Ubuntu Touch on the nexus etc19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDand you know what, it looked awesome like pretty much every time :)19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDsomething about it19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, howeer NExus 7 's were sold out by geeks, whjen I was going to buy one possibly, so I got a samsung galaxy s3 mini19:54
SebthreeBQM10HDthen the jolla phone whilst waiting for a commerical ubuntu phone to19:54
SebthreeBQM10HDthen yes the phones I mentioend earlier, I got a nice FIrefox phone as well19:54
grasstypeHow did you like the Firefox phone?19:54
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, money money money uhmmm I can't  really spend on a tizen  r3 right now, bbut I want  to buy one from India as well19:54
grasstypealso, why do you have so many phones?19:54
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I didn't before, but now got a few smart phones sure19:55
SebthreeBQM10HDnot as many as popey though by far19:55
grasstypeYeah, but are you a devleoper too? for the phone?19:55
grasstypePopey has the job that goes right with it19:55
SebthreeBQM10HDhe's even got like more than one 4.5 a d such now, altough he has developed some stuff for it sure, and he works for Canonical19:55
SebthreeBQM10HDhe did have to buy some him elf thoug Ubuntu's19:55
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, Ubuntu phone and tablet is currently aimed at developers and early adopteters so uhmm enthusiasts19:56
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I am intrested in differnet OSes :)19:56
SebthreeBQM10HDhardware is one thing, but it's mostly software that gives the expereince :)19:56
SebthreeBQM10HDdiffernet software differnet expereinces19:56
grasstypeif I could afford it I'd buy one too, but I could never justify buying more than that19:56
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, more than what?19:57
grasstype1 phone19:57
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I  can' quite justify buying the MEizu mx 619:57
SebthreeBQM10HDnot when I Got the mx 419:57
SebthreeBQM10HDand when I know full wel that for what I Do mx 4 is fine19:57
grasstypeI have an iphone right now (google has pissed me off a LOT the last few phones, and I got this one cheap)19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, and on whatever device Ubuntu runs on, it will be or become pretty much the same really anyway with these ota updates19:58
grasstypehonesty of the phones I've used, it annoys me by far the least19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDuh why did you go iphone19:58
grasstypegoogle keeps wanting to sync everything with everything whether I want them to or not19:58
bregmahey guys!19:58
grasstypehey bregma!19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma,  hi :)19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDwelcome to the party19:59
SebthreeBQM10HDunless your watching football and your iceland19:59
SebthreeBQM10HDfor exmaple19:59
grasstypegrab a beer, eat some popcorn19:59
grasstypeooo, if you ever come to Michigan, I make some great popcorn19:59
bregmano sports for me, I'm a software guy19:59
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I noticed earlier that your takl form FOSDEM is up :d19:59
SebthreeBQM10HDand others I saw19:59
bregmaeww, I shall go hide my head19:59
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I  was skiimming through a bit  earlier, seeing me :d20:00
SebthreeBQM10HDI will watch those properly next week20:00
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I was trying to explain to grasstype a bit why Libertine is awesome20:00
SebthreeBQM10HDbut hey your the main dev of it arne't you :d ?20:01
bregmawell, I started the project, but not there's a team that does all the work, I just bask in their glory20:01
grasstypebasking in the glory of awesome people is always great20:01
bregmayeah, easier than doing the work yourself20:02
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, yeah indeed I GUESS20:02
grasstypeno guessing, definitely. It's one thing I miss about being in school - tons of smart people everywhere20:02
bregmajust to clear things up:  libertine does not emulate x86 on ARM, they have to be ARM apps to start with20:02
bregmawhich means no Steam on the m10 :(20:02
grasstypeThat makes sense, I was thrown off when SebthreeBQM10HD said that20:03
bregmaI got steam working under Unity 8 on my laptop though20:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, grasstype ok I put wrong thing then20:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbut either way it's still awesome etc :)20:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, they hae to be arm arts done for x ?20:03
grasstypeoh yeah, definitely. x apps are still huge20:03
bregmathere's still a ways to go on the window management side in Unity 8, so there are problems (dang Steam overlay)20:03
SebthreeBQM10HDarm apps done for x ?20:04
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yeah, pretty much the enture Ubuntu archive is built for x86 and arm20:04
bregmaand, um, PPC or something fuky like that20:04
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, grasstype yeah how we going to have STeam for exmple then, when Ubuntu DEsktop goes Unity 8 by default ?20:05
bregmaShanghai and Spider Solitair work just fine on the m10, what more do you really need?20:06
SebthreeBQM10HDare those in repos?20:06
bregmayes, as deb, so they install in libertine just peachy20:06
SebthreeBQM10HDwell once got a container to install in I guess, yep not done any of the changign stuff so20:07
bregmayou can try out Unity 8 on your laptop right now, no need to wait until 16.1020:07
SebthreeBQM10HDyes I did20:07
SebthreeBQM10HD,but then I broke it as well when I tried to ppa up date it as wel what was in reppos20:07
SebthreeBQM10HDand whatever I did mhall119 guide :D20:08
bregmashould be OK to do that, I do it all the time20:08
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, in fact most stuf for some reason broke,  not on lap top now20:08
SebthreeBQM10HDunity 7 as well hmm20:08
SebthreeBQM10HDGNOME 3 shell ok20:08
bregmayou just need two things:  add the "stable phone overlay" to pick up the latest Unity 8 to match the phone20:08
bregmasudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay20:08
grasstypeif one thing breaks it's that things fault, if everything breaks it's propably your fault :)20:09
bregmathen install the Unity 8 session for LightDM20:09
bregmasudo apt install unity8-desktop-session20:09
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, not  getting lap top now up stairs etc, but yes  maybe we should look at that20:09
bregmaeverything else is plain vanilla from the archives20:09
SebthreeBQM10HDyou'll probably know what went wrong etc or what I did20:09
SebthreeBQM10HDor I could just clean instal eventaully as planned anyway, but don't really learn anything that wya20:09
bregmaif you have nVidia or AMD graphics you're going to be sad unless you use the open source drivers20:09
SebthreeBQM10HDnope it's got Intel20:10
grasstypemaybe on the next desktop, I read that the newer amd open source graphics are doing pretty good20:10
SebthreeBQM10HDI did run some kind of command from mmhall guide though that wasn't sure what was really one or two of htose, that maybe was what did it20:10
grasstypeget an APU20:10
bregmaAMD is switching to *only* open source graphics (like Intel) but it''s not completely there yet20:11
grasstypeooo, that sounds nice20:11
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah people got issues with 16.o420:11
SebthreeBQM10HDas a result20:11
grasstypeI hope it's a case of "we're making the open source drivers awesome" and not a "screw it, you take care of this"20:11
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah then maybe nvidia will do open only to after that :)20:12
bregmamy money would not be on that20:13
SebthreeBQM10HDwhy not?20:13
SebthreeBQM10HDand as I put maybe20:13
SebthreeBQM10HDmaybe as in maybe20:13
grasstypenvidia has a long history now of screwing open source in favor of proprietary20:14
SebthreeBQM10HDnot probably or possibly but maybe20:14
grasstypeThere was the famous middle finger from Linus over it20:14
bregmamhall's guide tells you to add some PPAs that you shouldn't add any more, they may mess up your system if you add them20:14
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, ok that's probably what happended then20:14
SebthreeBQM10HDbut apparnetly the unity 8 in 16.04 repos was so old,  so  I tried that20:15
bregmajust add the one I mentioned above, we test it regularly20:15
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, well my system has gone wrong already so20:15
bregmathe one in the archives should work, but yeah, it's really old20:15
SebthreeBQM10HDwas about a month or two ago now actaully20:15
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen I did that20:16
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yeah when I clean install my lap top, I'll do unity 8 again I  guess, but properly next time hopefully :) ask bregma if in doubt how to do it, ok20:19
grasstypesee what I mean? hanging around awesome people is awesome20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I got to meet him at FOSDEM acsaully this year to20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDsaw his talk20:20
grasstypeoh yeah? what was the talk about?20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, Libertine ,but of course20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDand things like that20:20
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, the videos are up20:20
grasstypehonestly with what time I have I have to use it efficiently20:22
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I'll be listening for me when I watch proeperly]20:22
SebthreeBQM10HDa question20:22
grasstypethere are a lot of things I want to watch but don't get to20:22
grasstypea question you said?20:23
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, after the talik yeah20:24
SebthreeBQM10HDor one of the talks or more20:24
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, there was a interesting KDE neon talk as well20:24
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, for the oether Ubuntu talk, Mark Shuttleworth even started answering questions instead of the guy20:24
grasstypethat sounds fun20:25
grasstypethere are lots of really interesting things going on these days20:25
grasstypeit's a great time to watch20:25
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, I was thinking like that guy sounds knowldegable then I Reolised it was him,  so I took the oppertunity after to talk to him after briefuly, as did someone else20:25
SebthreeBQM10HDhe shook my hand20:25
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, aren't those events awesome, get to meet some awesome people :)20:25
grasstypenever been to an event20:26
grasstypefactory work, + family, ~60 hrs a week20:27
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, well there are qu8ite a few good ones over in the US you should go to something20:27
grasstypeno vacation or money to do those things20:27
SebthreeBQM10HDah yes  money again20:27
grasstypeand time20:27
SebthreeBQM10HDand factory work doing what?20:27
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat kind of family even?20:27
grasstypeI inspect those shiney steel pieces of window trim for cars, to make sure they aren't filled withdents and slugs20:28
grasstypeas for family, wife and 2 kids. I work second shift, and witch the kids in the mornings on most days. Ages 2 and 420:28
SebthreeBQM10HDoh ok20:28
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, boy and girl or20:28
grasstype2 boys20:28
grasstypereally smart20:28
SebthreeBQM10HDioh ok20:28
SebthreeBQM10HDreally smart at 2 and 4 probably not20:29
grasstypeSebthreeBQM10HD, relative to age20:29
SebthreeBQM10HDok i GUESS20:29
grasstypeThe 4 year old is starting preschool this autumn. He already knows his alphabet, is starting words, and can count to 10020:29
bregmaman, I would die in a job like that20:30
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, why to pshyichall ?20:30
grasstypeyeah, but hey, it's a job20:30
grasstypebetter than not a job20:30
bregmaI did that sort of thing one summer, 12 hour shifts, near the enamel baking oven20:30
SebthreeBQM10HDoh when20:30
grasstypeooo, factory work + ovens is really bad20:30
bregmamust have been 140 F20:30
grasstypewe're just sitting in the 80's this year, though we've had years with 90+ summers20:31
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, well not 140 c :d20:31
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, no, not 140 C, I'd be ready to eat20:31
bregmatender and juicy20:31
grasstype140c... so you're saying I would be a dry husk of burnt flesh20:32
bregmasomehow my kitchen oven switched in to Celcius yesterday, I was lost20:32
grasstypelol, it can do that?20:32
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yeah for Microsoft,  or maybe not since the Canonical deal :d20:32
grasstypethat's both distrubing and amazing at hte same time20:32
bregmaI had to dig out the manual to figure out how to reset it20:33
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, uh your in uk I thought so  C not F?20:33
grasstypeSebthreeBQM10HD, yup, that's why he specified F20:33
bregmaI'm not in the UK, I'm in Canada, and we use C for weather but F for cooking20:33
grasstypeit reminds me of a guy in high school that had a car that could switch between miles and km20:34
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, Canada oh20:34
grasstypehe switched to to km/h whenever he wanted to scare girls20:34
bregmaalso, it was 30 years ago, we used F for weather then20:34
grasstypehere's hoping to one day getting rid of imperial units20:35
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, hmm I Guess you sounde dsimiar to us or smething h eh20:35
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I  thought uk when I met or after20:36
grasstypeHonestly I see ubuntu dev, I assume europe somewhere20:38
grasstypeI didn't use to, but the lack of phones compatible in the us has changed me20:38
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, true mostly europeans with them I guess20:38
SebthreeBQM10HDas a result20:38
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, however the tablet will work nicely in the us to and canada etc20:38
SebthreeBQM10HDsince that's just wifi20:39
grasstypewell yeah, and the phone will work just as well as a small tablet inthe us20:39
grasstypeI'd even get 2g, according to ting20:39
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, but it's your counteries fault for having a odd mobile network h eh20:39
grasstypethe network is the same, it's just different bands20:39
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, uses fault for being differnet h eh20:39
grasstypethey're both gsm20:40
bregmaI think about a third of the people at Canonical live in the US and third in the UK, the rest are strewn around the world, just in case you're interested20:40
grasstypethanks bregma :)20:40
grasstypethat's how stereotypes are prevented20:40
grasstype damn stupid c++... why can't you always make intuitive sense?20:41
bregmagrasstype, C++ always makes sense, once someone has pointed out how your intuition is wrong20:42
grasstypecan't argue with that20:42
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, so FOSDEM was a Canada to Belgium with Canonical paying no problem trip?20:43
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I guess the catch was that you had to do a speech or something like that whilst there h eh20:43
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yep, that's about it20:48
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, what time there? where in can?20:48
bregmain at UTC -4 right now20:49
bregmaI live in eastern Ontario, among rocks and trees and bugs and water20:50
SebthreeBQM10HDoh ok20:50
grasstypelol, bregma you're now my current hero. "what time is it? utc -4"20:51
javier4Hi guys. I'm trying to set up a tree customized by mediatek. I copied device, hardware and vendor branches, but now I have a doubt: the kernel directory is called "kernel-3.10" instead of simply "kernel", should I rename the "kernel" directory in phablet tree, or look for a variable inside my original tree that point to "kernel-3.10" and modify that to point to "kernel"? The other doubt is: once I modify the origi20:51
bregmahmm, kernel stuff....  good luck20:53
* bregma goes off to ride his new bicycle20:53
grasstypeWell, I'm headed out. will continue c++ stuff later. Pleasure talking!20:55
SebthreeBQM10HD 20:58
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype still here20:58
SebthreeBQM10HDgood battery life in these tablets but they eventually run out mine just did20:58
SebthreeBQM10HDbut lasted for hours20:58

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