[02:08] <ahoneybun> mm who was the one I reported the OSK bug too?
[02:13] <ahoneybun> man the amount of bugs fixed in OTA12 is crazy!
[02:42] <nhaines> There is no OTA-12?
[02:52] <ahoneybun> nhaines: no 12?
[02:53] <nhaines> Nope.
[02:54] <ahoneybun> so Touch as failed as a platform?
[02:54] <nhaines> Sure.
[02:54] <ahoneybun> RIP #Converge
[02:55] <nhaines> It was truly an American icon.
[04:29] <nhaines> Darn it, I can't create a xenial libertine container.
[10:21] <cariveri> hi everyone. my ubuntuphone seems to always get a static ip instead of a new lease from dhcp . thus I cannot get to wifi connect properly.
[10:44] <cariveri> hi everyone. my ubuntuphone seems to always get a static ip instead of a new lease from dhcp. thus I cannot wifi connect properly.
[10:44] <cariveri> what can I do?
[10:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> cariveri, seems quite dead in here right now,  but Isuppouse it's Sundayso, and no I can't help with your issue
[10:56] <cariveri> I see.
[13:20] <cariveri> hi again.
[13:23] <popey> hello
[13:24] <popey> cariveri: do you control the dhcp server?
[13:24] <popey> cariveri: typically a client will re-ask for the same IP, and the dhcp server will usually allow it
[13:24] <popey> cariveri: if you have access to the dhcp server you can revoke the lease usually
[13:25] <cariveri> popey: that serve is a simple provider given router, to which I do have access. but it doesnt allow for revokations.
[13:26] <cariveri> it allows for setting a time limit for leases.
[13:26] <cariveri> which I set to the minimum value of 30 minutes.
[13:37] <stakewinner00> when will the new ota be released?
[13:44] <popey> cariveri: strange, not seen that issue, sorry.
[13:44] <popey> stakewinner00: 10 days or so? https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/12
[13:44] <cariveri> popey: thank you anyways!
[13:45] <stakewinner00> popey, thank you. I was used to read news about the OTAs on softpedia, but lately i didn't read nothing about it.
[13:47] <popey> there's a quiet announce mailing list
[13:47] <popey> which is easier to digest than the busy phone list.
[13:56] <stakewinner00>  i'll subscribe to it then.
[14:13] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-announce is the list btw
[14:45] <aquarius_> How do I find out which directory a scope is allowed to read files from?
[14:53] <ghosalmartin> anyone around thats working on libhybris?
[17:01] <dobey> aquarius_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/platform/guides/app-confinement/ "Runtime Environment"
[17:02] <aquarius_> aha, thank you!
[17:02] <dobey> aquarius_: see the bit about <APP_PKGNAME>
[17:02] <aquarius_> yup.   owner @{HOME}/.local/share/@{APP_PKGNAME}/ r,
[17:24] <JaapJolman> hello
[17:24] <JaapJolman> i got a question
[17:25] <JaapJolman> i just installed ubuntu touch on a normal meizu pro 5
[17:25] <JaapJolman> everthing seems to work great except for vpn
[17:26] <JaapJolman> when i try to connect using openvpn as the vpn type i get no secret error and it wont connect
[17:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> JaapJolman, I don't think many people will use or try and use vpns with ubuntu devices yet
[17:30] <ogra_> JaapJolman, using the builtin VPN editor ?
[17:30] <JaapJolman> ow
[17:30] <JaapJolman> yeah
[17:30] <ogra_> SebthreeBQM10HD, why not ? it works just fine usually
[17:30] <JaapJolman> the one underneath settings
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> is there a player available  a native one for playing MP4 's ?
[17:30] <JaapJolman> i checked it creates the files
[17:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> coudn't seem to find one in the store
[17:31] <JaapJolman> but when i press activate i get no secrets connection failed
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, hi
[17:31] <JaapJolman> i tried to connect to a mikrotik openvpn server
[17:31] <ogra_> SebthreeBQM10HD, the preinstalled mediaplayer should play mp4
[17:31] <JaapJolman> using certificates and username and password
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, and I just don't think of people using the tablets with vpn
[17:31] <ogra_> it does here at least
[17:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, hmm where's that, I can't seem to see find
[17:32] <ogra_> VPN works since 1.5 years ... the UI bits only landed recently though
[17:32] <ogra_> SebthreeBQM10HD, just open the file from the video scope
[17:32] <ogra_> it should launch the mediaplayer
[17:32] <JaapJolman> could you help me get it to work ogra
[17:32] <ogra_> JaapJolman, i havent used VPN in ages
[17:32] <ogra_> did you check the logs ?
[17:33] <JaapJolman> first how do i make a screen of what i see
[17:33] <ogra_> namely syslog
[17:33] <JaapJolman> let me check
[17:33] <ogra_> you press both volume buttons
[17:33] <JaapJolman> can i send a screenshot using this webbased irc?
[17:34] <JaapJolman> wait let me upload it somewhere
[17:34] <ogra_> you can install mzanetti's imgur upload tool and upload your screenshot to imgurl ... then you can post the url here
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, ok I uhmm yeah ok found scope
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> turns out it worked in the native browser
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he h I am so going to have to watch those videos :d
[17:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am in  :d  I se e at least one
[17:38] <JaapJolman> https://cloud.odin-ict.nl/s/mTRQv841R7Kfjfy
[17:38] <JaapJolman> thats the thing i get when i try to connect
[17:38] <JaapJolman> will try to open syslog
[17:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, have you got any paid Ubuntu apps,  just came across something in the store that it seems could be intersting
[17:42] <ogra_> nope, no paid apps here
[17:42] <JaapJolman> ogra did you see the screen
[17:43] <ogra_> yeah, says nothing
[17:44] <JaapJolman> ow how can i get to syslog for the vpn stuff because tail -f /var/log/syslog is going so fast i cannot get a screenshot
[17:44] <ogra_> generic VPN should work though ... PPTP doesnt yet
[17:44] <ogra_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1523946
[17:45] <JaapJolman> ow how to do pptp because that type box is not letting me select anything
[17:45] <ogra_> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1495553 should have a list of the current limitations
[17:46] <ogra_> so currently you can only connect to actual OpenVPN endpoints
[17:47] <JaapJolman> thats what i am trying
[17:47] <JaapJolman> i setup openvpn server on my mikrotik CCR1009
[17:47] <JaapJolman> it works with a normal openvpn config file
[17:56] <ogra_> well, you probably need to wait til someone working on either the VPN editor or the backend is around ... usually there is nobody here on weekends
[17:57] <ogra_> also, file a bug ...
[17:57] <ogra_> (see channel topic for filing bugs)
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> your here on the weekend I see ogra_  :d
[18:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but if you mean people such as bregma ok
[18:04] <ogra_> i mean pete-woods (VPN UI) or awe (network manager)
[18:09] <JaapJolman> orga_ i also tried using default config that works on desktop vpn and my servers and successfully connected using terminal
[18:14] <JaapJolman> thanks anyways
[18:14] <JaapJolman> going to watch some tv XD
[18:14] <JaapJolman> cya
[18:32] <muka_> is it possible to use/share phone camera as a webcam?
[18:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> muka_, I think so with certain things
[18:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> muka_, some web apps, maybe one or two apps as well
[18:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> muka_, so depending on the app or website, well yes it seems, in answer to your question
[18:38] <muka_> SebthreeBQM10HD, I'm looking for a way to share phone camera with my laptop. This connection can be via adb.
[18:39] <muka_> adb/usb
[18:39] <popey> muka_: not currently possible
[18:41] <ogra_> popey, weeeell .... you could write an app that ships a webserver and uses the camera
[18:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> muka_, yepp that sounds to advanced for Ubuntu touch currently
[18:41] <ogra_> some nodejs trickery
[18:42] <popey> i guess
[18:42] <popey> all solutions are a matter of programming
[18:42] <ogra_> indeed :)
[18:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed
[18:42] <popey> nothing currently available to do what muka_ wants
[18:42] <ogra_> indeed :)
[18:42] <muka_> thanks
[18:45] <dobey> really, you'd have to expose the phone usb connection as a v4l usb device of some sort, which proxies the camera through
[18:46] <dobey> not sure anything does that, even with android or ios, or even on windows phones
[18:47] <grasstype> am I wrong, or does that sound like a security hole
[18:47] <dobey> life is a security hole
[18:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep  a spy cam
[18:50] <muka_> or just use it as webcam for jitsi or skype.
[18:51] <grasstype> I still like the idea. Phone = my all purpose computing device AND my all-purpose peripheral.
[18:52] <grasstype> while we're at it, let it be my moving picture frame, backup storage, and sock folder.
[18:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, yes i am using my tablet mostly now :)
[18:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, absoutly fine for basic things, web browsing, email,  IRC, music
[18:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who needs a computer for that now reallly, I don't
[18:53] <grasstype> SebthreeBQM10HD, what do you do with it?
[18:53] <popey> talking to you, for one
[18:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, especially when it's attached and connected to this Logitech k480 is nice :)
[18:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> basic computer stuff mostly so far,  and yeah
[18:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I thinik only really need a computer now for rather specific things
[18:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it's fun to have standard desktop linux programs on there a  bit to
[18:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma is doing awesome work with Libertine :)
[18:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, and Unity 8 is nice on the ubuntu phone and tablet
[18:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not so sure about unity 8 for computer,  but that will be interesting
[18:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and he's gone oh well
[18:57] <grasstype> yay
[18:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> wb grasstype
[18:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yay for what?
[18:57] <grasstype> yeah, I was trying to type, but somehow I lost focus on xchat
[18:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> blame  popey
[18:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and there's even an ap;p for that or was
[18:58] <grasstype> using the m10 here as well, so I think I will
[18:58] <grasstype> all popey's fault
[18:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, FHD or HD :?
[18:58] <grasstype> FHD
[18:58] <grasstype> had to get the prettier one :)
[18:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, the price difference was enough to make me go for HD first at the time
[18:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, ,but I will buy a FHD one in the next few months or so as well as long as doesn't go out of stock on bq,
[18:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I had wanted both all along
[18:59] <grasstype> well, I was pretty desperate to get a device at the time. In america, and have been waiting on the phone forever by that point
[19:00] <dobey> grasstype: you can probably put your phone in a sock, but probably shouldn't try to put a sock in your phone
[19:00] <grasstype> it came out around the same time as the last phone, but the phone didn't have the right bands to get any better than 2G on Ting
[19:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah most of the fan boys when for fhd going by omgubuntu anyway,  and there covourage was so bad it made the hd sound so rubbish
[19:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but no the hd is nice
[19:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :)
[19:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, American issue
[19:01] <grasstype> Honestly the resolution didn't matter to me at all, I just like knowing it's the nice one.
[19:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, got differnet type of network there so
[19:01] <grasstype> Well, moving to europe is complicated
[19:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, he h if I hav both I can compare the rsolutions as well
[19:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> see what the difference really is or not
[19:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I prefered the white colour though
[19:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> black is boring and standard
[19:02] <grasstype> to me they're both boring and standard
[19:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what are you going to use yours for?
[19:02] <grasstype> I would like the white, just because it wouldn't get as hot in the sun (I think)
[19:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the s un doesn't feel hot to me here
[19:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so much for summer
[19:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> any proper summer heat where you are popey ?
[19:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> today right now
[19:03] <grasstype> I went out on the hammock yesterday for like 10 minutes and the thing was burning up in my hands
[19:03] <dobey> lol
[19:03] <popey> warm-ish
[19:03] <dobey> 12C is "summer heat" where popey is
[19:04] <grasstype> lol
[19:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey,  I am in England to and no that's meant to be spring temperature
[19:04] <dobey> 22C is like people start dying from heat stroke
[19:04] <grasstype> we've been in the 80's F here, so that's what... upper 20's C?
[19:04] <popey> http://imgur.com/Lv2TEsZ today
[19:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> any where  near 30 is a heat wave
[19:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, uh I can't click on that
[19:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, no working links in liberitne just yet
[19:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or copy and paste for that matter
[19:05] <popey> ah, bummer
[19:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> apparnatly both things are being worked on now though or soon hmm
[19:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> one is ota 12 other in ota 13 or whatever bregma said
[19:05] <grasstype> when is ota 12 due?
[19:05] <popey> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestone/12
[19:05] <popey> 2016-07-13
[19:06] <grasstype> on hice
[19:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I could get your link from this channels log later though :d might just do that
[19:06] <grasstype> to answer your earlier question btw, I ust the m10 at work for learning c++
[19:06] <grasstype> terminal and a chroot
[19:06] <popey> nice
[19:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, grasstype will be nice wh en things you would just expect to work really or hope work do.  links in libertine the xapps yep.  copy ad paste in anything, and touch screen keyboard working in libertine stuff as well
[19:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey I already see n Ubuntu touch progress here and there,  I remember when the native browser was so awful that it coudn't clear the histroy even, on the bq e 4.5
[19:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and when the option to not send cashes to Canonical switched itself back on
[19:09] <grasstype> definitely. On the bright side, right now it has what I need in a device
[19:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, same here :) although will be nice when the things I just mentioned work as well :)
[19:10] <grasstype> Chris on LAS and a bunch of reviewers keep talking about how they need xyz specific proprietary app, but all I need is is a podcast player and a terminal
[19:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, popey oh yeah and I got a gaming tablet as well now for uhmm retro gaming so
[19:11] <grasstype> the GBA app works pretty well btw, I used it for pokemon a couple of times
[19:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I am glad I crowd funded the chip, that's a pretty interesting arm basad debian thing,  the chip is a bit like Rassbery Pi, and then there's the pocket chip which is like a container hting iwth a screen etc, interesting stuff
[19:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> recieved those earlier this week :)
[19:11] <grasstype> How are they better than the pi?
[19:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, well it can run like any Arm program that has been compiled for DEbian
[19:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I havent done that much with mine yet
[19:12] <grasstype> couldn't you do that with a pi? just install arm debian and done?
[19:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> has a nice interface,  and set up stuff,  just how it is as well by default is nice
[19:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, it was like a cheap mini pc type thing or whatever it was
[19:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, has a thing fo r making game and multimeida stuff toetc
[19:13] <grasstype> alright, cool
[19:13] <grasstype> I really should get a new charger for this... takes WAY too long
[19:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, the bq?
[19:14] <grasstype> yup, the m10
[19:14] <grasstype> it's a huge battery
[19:14] <grasstype> if it's near dead, it takes more than 12 hours on my standard usb phone chargers I have
[19:15] <grasstype> I'll plug it in at 3am, and unplugg it at 2 pm the next day and it's at like 80%
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, the bq chargers not been good here
[19:15] <grasstype> oh? I can't use the bq. America
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, that I got sent for the 4.5 and tablet since euro plugs, not uk, bu that's ok I charge like everything now with the one a uk plug, that came for the Meizu MX 4
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and that works well :)
[19:16] <grasstype> sweet :)
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, altouhg I wonder a bit with my gaming tablet if that charges right like that, or not really
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed battery life is good
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for the bq m10 hd
[19:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, so is that your first ubuntu device ?
[19:17] <grasstype> other than my desktop
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the fhd
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, yeah new devices have there purpouse
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> get new people in
[19:17] <grasstype> My desktop has been on ubuntu since 6.06
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, however I am not so interestd in getting the Meizu MX 6 Ubunu even though I expect that to be quite god
[19:17] <grasstype> back when it still had a powerpc port, and I was on a G4
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> quite good
[19:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but that's since I got the MX 4
[19:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, now if that one can actsaully support the american networks, that will be sold quite a bit to people over there I Think, who know about this
[19:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the MX 6 t
[19:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, popey  has nearly every UBuntu device so far!
[19:18] <grasstype> yeah, I'm gone on the window for an ubuntu phone for at least a few months now. FActory work with a family and tons of debt doesn't give me lots of wiggle room
[19:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, indeed money is  the other issue for a lot of us, tech devices get expensive
[19:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, MX 6 is going to sell more than the one plus three it seems hmm
[19:21] <grasstype> the oneplus is android though?
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, yes but mariogrip is working on an unoffical port of Ubuntu Touch to it
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, hardware wise one plus phones are apparantly amazing though
[19:24] <grasstype> That was weird. I suddenly couldn't type the back or enter keys
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> wb grasstype what was last message you got from me?
[19:24] <grasstype> hardware wise one plus phones are apparently amazing though **
[19:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep last thing I sent
[19:25] <grasstype> sweet
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, but people need to buy BQ and Meizu Ubuntu's
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or they won't just sell them I Guess
[19:25] <grasstype> I'd rather a pre-installed phone anyways
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when certain things are more sorted out in touch as well
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> some other company will do a device I expect
[19:25] <grasstype> I don't know why, but I feel really uncomfortable installing via side channel on a phone
[19:25] <grasstype> especially the whole os
[19:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, a rom ?
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, yeah I haven't done that, but indeed it does seem a bit complacted in a way
[19:26] <grasstype> I'm slightly afraid of bricking a phone due to my own stupidity
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably about as easy as putting Linux on a PC though once know how really though
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> some manfuactures like bq will provide offical software for that to
[19:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I think I already bricked a phone actsually,  or something similar when I....
[19:27] <grasstype> no, a pc is pretty hard to break permanently just by installing ubuntu through their own installer
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, Jolla is also a interesting phone to look at maybe get I got one :
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> )
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, shame about the tablet crowd funding issues though
[19:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I got the first half of my re fund though
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well got and spent weeks ago now months
[19:28] <grasstype> I honestly don't know why I should like Jolla
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, since Salifish OS is a nice OS
[19:28] <grasstype> is it?
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> runs btfs in the background even
[19:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and wayland for the graphic stuff
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it's also got a thing for runniing most ANdroid apps even which worked well when I tried :)
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for native apps, it has some, my phone went black, when I Hadn't updated the whole os so...
[19:29] <grasstype> Ah, that's right, they're both trying to run android apps, right?
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Ubuntu isn't
[19:29] <grasstype> I know, which is one of the reasons I trust them more
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but once this Libertine stuff is more sorted out Libertine xmir yes
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think
[19:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> WOW
[19:30] <grasstype> what?
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I mean we got thousands of standard Desktop LInux programs already made
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what 20 years or so worth of them ?
[19:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, imagine being able to run most of them and well, on your tablet or ubuntu phone?  the tablet has a demo preview
[19:30] <grasstype> eh, yeah. But some of those programs from the 90's aren't much to cough about
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> purtine, that's the Firefox, Libre Office, Gedit, and gimp on there
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there's a way to hack it as well so can run a load more stuff already
[19:31] <grasstype> To get ALL the apps I want, I'd need x86, and I'm not sure that's worth it either
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, right, but for some a mouse and keyboard as well, and again who needs a computer :D ?
[19:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, you won't though when that's  more sorted out
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, since xmir runs x86 programs, but on arm if it's on the phone or tablet
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> xmir/libertine
[19:32] <grasstype> maybe... wait what?
[19:32] <grasstype> xmir will emulate x86 on arm?
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, only for rather specific things you would still need a computer since the tableta nd phone hardware won't be powerful enough and such
[19:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, it doesn't exactly emulate or it does sort of,  it's more like it runs them
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, Ubuntu DEsktop is going to be like the tablet as well
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> look at what you got here on your tablet now
[19:33] <grasstype> yeah, desktop is still way better than what I have on here
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in about two years, starting with 16.10 things going in that direction, well Ubuntu Desktop will be like that as well and by default probably
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, you can run Unity 8 and libertine stuff on the computer even,
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> xmir
[19:34] <grasstype> confession btw - I don't use libertine
[19:34] <grasstype> I barely have any idea what it is
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, there will be a  way to do that from Ubuntu 16.10 from the log in screen
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I know where there's a good video explaining liberitne since I was there :d
[19:34] <grasstype> I have the ubuntu 8 preview on the desktop, it's... not really all that useable yet
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there will also be something out there from the last ubuntu online summ it as well
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, exactly on the desktop it is and isn't useable, but they will be working on that more now for Ubuntu 16.10
[19:35] <grasstype> well, good. Needs lots of work
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> eventually Unity  7 will be replaced by that as default as well
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe for 16.10 even
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or 17.04 I guess if not
[19:36] <grasstype> thought that 16.10 was already out
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, same Unity 8 on everything, same code in background basically
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep that's what they are working to
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, 16.04 yes, not 16.10
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, if you use libre office firefox gimp or gedit on your tablet, yep your using Libertine
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, persoanlly I think, that's more intereting than their convergence goal, but that's good as well
[19:38] <grasstype> well, I use xchat...
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, ok well there you go you do use it
[19:38] <grasstype> lol
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes xchat gnome is using it
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I forgot about that one when I put the prorgrams, even though I am using it right now h eh
[19:38] <grasstype> funny how that works
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what to forget what you were actsually using ?
[19:39] <grasstype> I'm o the M10 right now
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes same
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or I woudn't be using this name
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I would just be well sebsebseb otherwise
[19:39] <grasstype> funny thing - I try to use a different user name on every program
[19:39] <grasstype> I have had like 8 reddit accounts
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, well I coud'n't reemmber what I had put on the computer for sebsebseb
[19:40] <grasstype> I have 4 just right now, for different use cases and devices
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> long password iwth ranomd characers etc so yeah
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I  thought ok why not have a name to go with the tablet use :) eventually after a few settled on this one :0/
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> :)
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, but when I got a FHD as well uhmm right another name h eh ?
[19:40] <grasstype> I figure if I'm going to have a pseudonym, I should probably keep it interesting
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think there's a way to link the IRC accounts together as wel
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, why on the deskop do you think unity 8 needs a lot of work ?
[19:42] <grasstype> lets see, from memory...
[19:43] <grasstype> mir means no proprietary graphics, means no decent steam on my machine
[19:43] <grasstype> I don't think it snaps to the sides or corners
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, propritary drivers will come, I think Nivia and  AMD might have even been working on something already
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> same for wayland
[19:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> doesn't snap to side or corners how you mean?
[19:44] <grasstype> I have to admit it's been like a month since I spent 5 minutes on it, I don't remember too well
[19:44] <grasstype> but if you drag the window to the side of the screen, does it snap to the side?
[19:44] <grasstype> it doesn't on my tablet, at least not with my fingers
[19:45] <grasstype> it's pretty essential to computing for me
[19:45] <grasstype> I don't remember trying any more
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I had itworking from repos it was alriight
[19:46] <grasstype> idk then
[19:46] <grasstype> I could do a sudo apt update on it and try again
[19:47] <grasstype> I just remember a vague impression
[19:47] <grasstype> I remember more reasons why I don't like gnome shell honestly, and I haven't used that in like 6 months
[19:47] <grasstype> still feel the pain of "wtf" there
[19:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's unity 8 though not gnome shell
[19:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I like GNOME  3 and GNOME  Shell :)
[19:49] <grasstype> why?
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since it's good :)
[19:50] <grasstype> how do you use it and not bash your head against the wall? I know some people swear by it, and I just don't get it
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I wasn't so keen on unity 7 at first
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but even that is ok
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Unity 8 I do think is better on tablet and phone
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> on desktp hmm
[19:50] <grasstype> Honestly the only thing I don't like about unity 7 is how laggy and weird the search bar is
[19:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> UNity 8 isn't quiite made for desktops yet it seems goig by what I SAW
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, Gnome  Shell was first
[19:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Unity came later
[19:51] <grasstype> great thing is I don't care what is first, I still bash my head against hte wall when trying it
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype,  I remember trying a GNOME Shell preview on top of GNOME 2 in Mandriva 2010. well 0 or 1 or 2
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, still got that on a net book here
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> It's a intereting perview even now, but can see the progress more now where gnome went
[19:52] <grasstype> forced use of the corner, a weird almost dock on the left that doesn't work quite right
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I think partly why I like Unity 8 on the phone and tablet is since  their former community manager
[19:53] <grasstype> every time you look at your dock to open a porgram, you're also looking at search and all yoru desktops...
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Jono Bacon
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> would be so great at hyping Ubuntu up
[19:53] <grasstype> Gotta love Jono
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> showing  Ubuntu Touch on the nexus etc
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and you know what, it looked awesome like pretty much every time :)
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> something about it
[19:53] <grasstype> Charisma
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, howeer NExus 7 's were sold out by geeks, whjen I was going to buy one possibly, so I got a samsung galaxy s3 mini
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> instead
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then the jolla phone whilst waiting for a commerical ubuntu phone to
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> then yes the phones I mentioend earlier, I got a nice FIrefox phone as well
[19:54] <grasstype> How did you like the Firefox phone?
[19:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, money money money uhmmm I can't  really spend on a tizen  r3 right now, bbut I want  to buy one from India as well
[19:54] <grasstype> also, why do you have so many phones?
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I didn't before, but now got a few smart phones sure
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not as many as popey though by far
[19:55] <grasstype> Yeah, but are you a devleoper too? for the phone?
[19:55] <grasstype> Popey has the job that goes right with it
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he's even got like more than one 4.5 a d such now, altough he has developed some stuff for it sure, and he works for Canonical
[19:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he did have to buy some him elf thoug Ubuntu's
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, Ubuntu phone and tablet is currently aimed at developers and early adopteters so uhmm enthusiasts
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I am intrested in differnet OSes :)
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hardware is one thing, but it's mostly software that gives the expereince :)
[19:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> differnet software differnet expereinces
[19:56] <grasstype> if I could afford it I'd buy one too, but I could never justify buying more than that
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, more than what?
[19:57] <grasstype> 1 phone
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I  can' quite justify buying the MEizu mx 6
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not when I Got the mx 4
[19:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and when I know full wel that for what I Do mx 4 is fine
[19:58] <grasstype> I have an iphone right now (google has pissed me off a LOT the last few phones, and I got this one cheap)
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, and on whatever device Ubuntu runs on, it will be or become pretty much the same really anyway with these ota updates
[19:58] <grasstype> honesty of the phones I've used, it annoys me by far the least
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uh why did you go iphone
[19:58] <grasstype> google keeps wanting to sync everything with everything whether I want them to or not
[19:58] <bregma> hey guys!
[19:58] <grasstype> hey bregma!
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma,  hi :)
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> welcome to the party
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> unless your watching football and your iceland
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for exmaple
[19:59] <grasstype> grab a beer, eat some popcorn
[19:59] <grasstype> ooo, if you ever come to Michigan, I make some great popcorn
[19:59] <bregma> no sports for me, I'm a software guy
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I noticed earlier that your takl form FOSDEM is up :d
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> video
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and others I saw
[19:59] <bregma> eww, I shall go hide my head
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I  was skiimming through a bit  earlier, seeing me :d
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I will watch those properly next week
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I was trying to explain to grasstype a bit why Libertine is awesome
[20:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> earlier
[20:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but hey your the main dev of it arne't you :d ?
[20:01] <bregma> well, I started the project, but not there's a team that does all the work, I just bask in their glory
[20:01] <grasstype> basking in the glory of awesome people is always great
[20:02] <bregma> yeah, easier than doing the work yourself
[20:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, yeah indeed I GUESS
[20:02] <grasstype> no guessing, definitely. It's one thing I miss about being in school - tons of smart people everywhere
[20:02] <bregma> just to clear things up:  libertine does not emulate x86 on ARM, they have to be ARM apps to start with
[20:02] <bregma> which means no Steam on the m10 :(
[20:03] <grasstype> That makes sense, I was thrown off when SebthreeBQM10HD said that
[20:03] <bregma> I got steam working under Unity 8 on my laptop though
[20:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, grasstype ok I put wrong thing then
[20:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but either way it's still awesome etc :)
[20:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, they hae to be arm arts done for x ?
[20:03] <grasstype> oh yeah, definitely. x apps are still huge
[20:03] <bregma> there's still a ways to go on the window management side in Unity 8, so there are problems (dang Steam overlay)
[20:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> arm apps done for x ?
[20:04] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, yeah, pretty much the enture Ubuntu archive is built for x86 and arm
[20:04] <bregma> and, um, PPC or something fuky like that
[20:04] <bregma> *funky
[20:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, grasstype yeah how we going to have STeam for exmple then, when Ubuntu DEsktop goes Unity 8 by default ?
[20:06] <bregma> Shanghai and Spider Solitair work just fine on the m10, what more do you really need?
[20:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> are those in repos?
[20:06] <bregma> yes, as deb, so they install in libertine just peachy
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well once got a container to install in I guess, yep not done any of the changign stuff so
[20:07] <bregma> you can try out Unity 8 on your laptop right now, no need to wait until 16.10
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes I did
[20:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but then I broke it as well when I tried to ppa up date it as wel what was in reppos
[20:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and whatever I did mhall119 guide :D
[20:08] <bregma> should be OK to do that, I do it all the time
[20:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, in fact most stuf for some reason broke,  not on lap top now
[20:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> unity 7 as well hmm
[20:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> GNOME 3 shell ok
[20:08] <bregma> you just need two things:  add the "stable phone overlay" to pick up the latest Unity 8 to match the phone
[20:08] <bregma> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay
[20:09] <grasstype> if one thing breaks it's that things fault, if everything breaks it's propably your fault :)
[20:09] <bregma> then install the Unity 8 session for LightDM
[20:09] <bregma> sudo apt install unity8-desktop-session
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, not  getting lap top now up stairs etc, but yes  maybe we should look at that
[20:09] <bregma> everything else is plain vanilla from the archives
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you'll probably know what went wrong etc or what I did
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or I could just clean instal eventaully as planned anyway, but don't really learn anything that wya
[20:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> way
[20:09] <bregma> if you have nVidia or AMD graphics you're going to be sad unless you use the open source drivers
[20:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nope it's got Intel
[20:10] <bregma> hussah
[20:10] <grasstype> maybe on the next desktop, I read that the newer amd open source graphics are doing pretty good
[20:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did run some kind of command from mmhall guide though that wasn't sure what was really one or two of htose, that maybe was what did it
[20:10] <grasstype> get an APU
[20:11] <bregma> AMD is switching to *only* open source graphics (like Intel) but it''s not completely there yet
[20:11] <grasstype> ooo, that sounds nice
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah people got issues with 16.o4
[20:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as a result
[20:11] <grasstype> I hope it's a case of "we're making the open source drivers awesome" and not a "screw it, you take care of this"
[20:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah then maybe nvidia will do open only to after that :)
[20:13] <bregma> my money would not be on that
[20:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why not?
[20:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and as I put maybe
[20:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe as in maybe
[20:14] <grasstype> nvidia has a long history now of screwing open source in favor of proprietary
[20:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not probably or possibly but maybe
[20:14] <grasstype> There was the famous middle finger from Linus over it
[20:14] <bregma> mhall's guide tells you to add some PPAs that you shouldn't add any more, they may mess up your system if you add them
[20:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, ok that's probably what happended then
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but apparnetly the unity 8 in 16.04 repos was so old,  so  I tried that
[20:15] <bregma> just add the one I mentioned above, we test it regularly
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, well my system has gone wrong already so
[20:15] <bregma> the one in the archives should work, but yeah, it's really old
[20:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> was about a month or two ago now actaully
[20:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when I did that
[20:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yeah when I clean install my lap top, I'll do unity 8 again I  guess, but properly next time hopefully :) ask bregma if in doubt how to do it, ok
[20:20] <grasstype> see what I mean? hanging around awesome people is awesome
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I got to meet him at FOSDEM acsaully this year to
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> saw his talk
[20:20] <grasstype> oh yeah? what was the talk about?
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, Libertine ,but of course
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and things like that
[20:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, the videos are up
[20:21] <grasstype> sweet
[20:22] <grasstype> honestly with what time I have I have to use it efficiently
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I'll be listening for me when I watch proeperly]
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a question
[20:22] <grasstype> there are a lot of things I want to watch but don't get to
[20:23] <grasstype> a question you said?
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, after the talik yeah
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or one of the talks or more
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, there was a interesting KDE neon talk as well
[20:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, for the oether Ubuntu talk, Mark Shuttleworth even started answering questions instead of the guy
[20:25] <grasstype> that sounds fun
[20:25] <grasstype> there are lots of really interesting things going on these days
[20:25] <grasstype> it's a great time to watch
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, I was thinking like that guy sounds knowldegable then I Reolised it was him,  so I took the oppertunity after to talk to him after briefuly, as did someone else
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he shook my hand
[20:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, aren't those events awesome, get to meet some awesome people :)
[20:26] <grasstype> never been to an event
[20:27] <grasstype> factory work, + family, ~60 hrs a week
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, well there are qu8ite a few good ones over in the US you should go to something
[20:27] <grasstype> no vacation or money to do those things
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah yes  money again
[20:27] <grasstype> and time
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and factory work doing what?
[20:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what kind of family even?
[20:28] <grasstype> I inspect those shiney steel pieces of window trim for cars, to make sure they aren't filled withdents and slugs
[20:28] <grasstype> as for family, wife and 2 kids. I work second shift, and witch the kids in the mornings on most days. Ages 2 and 4
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, boy and girl or
[20:28] <grasstype> 2 boys
[20:28] <grasstype> really smart
[20:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ioh ok
[20:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> really smart at 2 and 4 probably not
[20:29] <grasstype> SebthreeBQM10HD, relative to age
[20:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok i GUESS
[20:29] <grasstype> The 4 year old is starting preschool this autumn. He already knows his alphabet, is starting words, and can count to 100
[20:30] <bregma> man, I would die in a job like that
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, why to pshyichall ?
[20:30] <grasstype> yeah, but hey, it's a job
[20:30] <grasstype> better than not a job
[20:30] <bregma> I did that sort of thing one summer, 12 hour shifts, near the enamel baking oven
[20:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh when
[20:30] <grasstype> ooo, factory work + ovens is really bad
[20:30] <bregma> must have been 140 F
[20:30] <grasstype> ouch
[20:31] <grasstype> we're just sitting in the 80's this year, though we've had years with 90+ summers
[20:31] <grasstype> F
[20:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, well not 140 c :d
[20:31] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, no, not 140 C, I'd be ready to eat
[20:31] <bregma> tender and juicy
[20:32] <grasstype> 140c... so you're saying I would be a dry husk of burnt flesh
[20:32] <bregma> somehow my kitchen oven switched in to Celcius yesterday, I was lost
[20:32] <grasstype> lol, it can do that?
[20:32] <bregma> evidently
[20:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yeah for Microsoft,  or maybe not since the Canonical deal :d
[20:32] <grasstype> that's both distrubing and amazing at hte same time
[20:33] <bregma> I had to dig out the manual to figure out how to reset it
[20:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, uh your in uk I thought so  C not F?
[20:33] <grasstype> SebthreeBQM10HD, yup, that's why he specified F
[20:33] <bregma> I'm not in the UK, I'm in Canada, and we use C for weather but F for cooking
[20:34] <grasstype> it reminds me of a guy in high school that had a car that could switch between miles and km
[20:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, Canada oh
[20:34] <grasstype> he switched to to km/h whenever he wanted to scare girls
[20:34] <bregma> also, it was 30 years ago, we used F for weather then
[20:35] <grasstype> here's hoping to one day getting rid of imperial units
[20:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, hmm I Guess you sounde dsimiar to us or smething h eh
[20:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I  thought uk when I met or after
[20:38] <grasstype> Honestly I see ubuntu dev, I assume europe somewhere
[20:38] <grasstype> I didn't use to, but the lack of phones compatible in the us has changed me
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, true mostly europeans with them I guess
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as a result
[20:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, however the tablet will work nicely in the us to and canada etc
[20:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since that's just wifi
[20:39] <grasstype> well yeah, and the phone will work just as well as a small tablet inthe us
[20:39] <grasstype> I'd even get 2g, according to ting
[20:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, but it's your counteries fault for having a odd mobile network h eh
[20:39] <grasstype> the network is the same, it's just different bands
[20:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, uses fault for being differnet h eh
[20:40] <grasstype> they're both gsm
[20:40] <bregma> I think about a third of the people at Canonical live in the US and third in the UK, the rest are strewn around the world, just in case you're interested
[20:40] <grasstype> thanks bregma :)
[20:40] <grasstype> that's how stereotypes are prevented
[20:41] <grasstype>  damn stupid c++... why can't you always make intuitive sense?
[20:42] <bregma> grasstype, C++ always makes sense, once someone has pointed out how your intuition is wrong
[20:42] <grasstype> lol
[20:42] <grasstype> can't argue with that
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, so FOSDEM was a Canada to Belgium with Canonical paying no problem trip?
[20:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I guess the catch was that you had to do a speech or something like that whilst there h eh
[20:48] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, yep, that's about it
[20:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, what time there? where in can?
[20:49] <bregma> in at UTC -4 right now
[20:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[20:50] <bregma> I live in eastern Ontario, among rocks and trees and bugs and water
[20:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok
[20:51] <grasstype> lol, bregma you're now my current hero. "what time is it? utc -4"
[20:51] <javier4> Hi guys. I'm trying to set up a tree customized by mediatek. I copied device, hardware and vendor branches, but now I have a doubt: the kernel directory is called "kernel-3.10" instead of simply "kernel", should I rename the "kernel" directory in phablet tree, or look for a variable inside my original tree that point to "kernel-3.10" and modify that to point to "kernel"? The other doubt is: once I modify the origi
[20:53] <bregma> hmm, kernel stuff....  good luck
[20:53]  * bregma goes off to ride his new bicycle
[20:55] <grasstype> Well, I'm headed out. will continue c++ stuff later. Pleasure talking!
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype still here
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Igues
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> good battery life in these tablets but they eventually run out mine just did
[20:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but lasted for hours