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[05:16] <HummingBoy> erm guys
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[07:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning girl
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boy
[09:27] <bittin> Debconf has started now: http://video.debconf.org/menzies-9.webm
[09:27] <bittin> mornings :)
[09:29] <brobostigon> :)
[10:08] <popey> morning
[10:09] <brobostigon> morning popey
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning popey
[10:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, do you feel like or to some extent that you got the old phone with the pro 5 now that a MX  6 Ubuntu is also on the way ?
[10:12] <popey> wat
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, new Ubuntu phone on it's way, yours will be officaly old soon h eh
[10:12] <popey> oh, sure
[10:12] <popey> that's the way with all phones / computers
[10:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah constant updating you mean ?
[10:14]  * SebthreeBQM10HD Creative Commons music awesome this song this music is lovely :)
[10:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe I used /me wrongly there oh well
[10:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, did you really only get the pro 5 since you broke your MX 4, or would you have got it anyway?
[10:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> also isn't the hardware in the pro 5 and soon to be MX 6 Ubuntu as well, a bit to powerful generally for the OS to take a lot of advantage of it really
[10:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[10:19] <popey> I don't think so.
[10:19] <popey> You can't have it both ways. bq 4.5 too slow, MX6 too quick
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bq 4.5 to slow for what?  and what about the MX 4?
[10:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> MX6  too quick for what?
[10:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and what is there in Ubuntu Touch currently really in general that requires a lot of uhmmph power whatever you want to call it from the hardware in general, except for some sort of convegence feature posssibly, get what I mean?  otherwise things are still quite basic in general really right?
[10:23] <popey> yeah, I don't want a 1GB RAM device with a slow CPU for desktop usage
[10:23]  * SebthreeBQM10HD gets the impression that the MX 6 may be a bit overkil hardwarewise for quite a long while  if going to haave Ubuntu on it
[10:23] <popey> a multi-core processor with lots of ram makes sense
[10:23] <popey> note that most of the time the cores will be asleep
[10:24] <popey> Good to have them there for when you need them though.
[10:24] <popey> make -j10  😃
[10:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for convergence more powerful makes sense, yes I guess so.  probably also Libertine more and more as more x programs come etc,  but what else?  the apps seem to be quite basic for example the native ones, and the OS seems quite basic  reallly except for the two just mentioend earlier  things
[10:26] <popey> Perhaps, but it works the other way too.. people can create apps/games knowing we have devices which can cope
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, seems with the same hardware I mean MX 6  or I guess even Pro 5, for now currently, and pro bably for quite a long while to come, to make much more use of its full potential the hardware or pretty much,  probably better off with Android really for that
[10:26] <popey> some html5 games peg the cpu quite a bit
[10:26] <popey> yes, you've made the point, I understand your point
[10:26] <popey> But I disagree, that's all.
[10:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well I am thinking like, MX 6 is there any point me getting that curently or any time soon, no probably not really
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what would I use it for, that the MX 4 can't do
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or even tablet
[10:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I don't really care about connecting devices to the TV to be honest
[10:27] <popey> nobody is forcing you to buy it :)
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, yes indeed
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> seems it's not wroth the upgrade
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in my case
[10:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and it's also more expensive than the one plus three even
[10:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I read quite a efw coments on omgubun tu recently to uhm, ones aabout the os being basic etc,   I think I agree with that, but  I know big changes are on the verge of comming
[10:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I think mostly using tablet is going  well instead of the computer :)
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and the MX 4 has been my phone ever since having basically :),   wasn't  problem for me, I only tend to do basic things like texting calling  a bit of browsing maybe with phones, so app issue not a problem
[10:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I think a Meizu  Ubuntu tablet would be something :d
[10:33]  * popey just ordered a replacement screen for his MX4
[10:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, you putting that on yourself or someone else?
[10:33] <popey> I will
[10:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, mine is in quite good condition still, except for some blue ink on the plastic, since a leaking pen a few weeks ago hmm
[10:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> something to keep in mind maybe, white devices mean's  paintable/inkcable
[10:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, more powerful apps would have to be made though to take advantage of the hardware. also it seems that eventaully apps may have to be re  made, since reasons keeping them from basing on 16.04 for example
[10:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> are you going to maybe buy the MX 6 as well, even though you got the pro 5?
[10:39] <popey> not sure, maybe
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> why maybe?
[10:39] <popey> i haven't decided yet
[10:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> would you use it enough though
[10:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I mean woudn't it be like your 10th or so recent smart phone if so as well :D ?
[10:40] <popey> i have a few phones, yes.
[10:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how many preople you got tocall :D and text h eh ?
[10:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that'swhat mobile phones  are for really :D anything else is just extra stuff :d
[10:41] <popey> i almost never sms or phone people on my phone
[10:41] <popey> it's a portable computer, not a phone
[10:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah same here really
[10:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but in  a way I could do with some more people to do that with :d
[10:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what do you tend to use your  smartphones for?
[10:43] <popey> same as eveyone else. social network, surfing, email, messaging, games, integration with other devices (pebble), mapping, route planning, shopping...
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> h eh the pebble I skipped that
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> didn't really have the money at the time to crowd fund
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> plus then I  would have wanted more than one as well really it seems so uh
[10:44] <popey> i emailed the arduboy people the other day btw
[10:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, turns out can get rather cheap smart watches and other things from chinese sites such as  http://geekbuying.com :D
[10:44] <popey> they said it's coming in july or so
[10:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I already have my arduboys
[10:45] <popey> scrolling through the list of watches on that site, all look terrible
[10:45] <popey> and probably would get zero software updates
[10:45] <popey> and no access to source
[10:45] <popey> so.. "no"
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did  pre order a few months or so lter wel this year acsaly march or so two of the offical Tetris  ones similar to arduboy card thing,  I wonder when those will come
[10:46] <popey> i ordered my arduboy late
[10:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah maybeabout those smart watches I don't know, can get rather basic watches for like a pou nd on there to
[10:46] <popey> the email says they will ship out in july
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I have had my arduboys for like three weeks or so already :d
[10:47] <popey> turns out I drunk-bought an arduboy and then sober-bought another the next day
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the basic default game is a bit sucky
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not put any othrs on yet
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I have one of each colour, five :)
[10:47] <popey> hahah
[10:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> turns out that an arduboy can only ever have one game on it at once as wel
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> something I didn't know when doing the get five perk, but  ok awesome then, I got five anyway so
[10:48] <popey> so put a different game on each one :)
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> exactly :)
[10:48] <popey> like the old Nintendo Game and Watch - single game computers
[10:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> keep default game on one,  and put games on others
[10:48] <popey> i have a few games in the works
[10:49] <popey> one for the microbit which should be fun
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> your making games for those or?
[10:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the microbit hmm,  lots of UK 11 yearolds got tht
[10:50] <popey> yeah, i got one too
[10:50] <popey> and my daughter did
[10:50] <popey> brb, off for a bit
[10:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, I got a interesting gaming device sent to me the other week, retro gaming,
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> microbit  I  had vagugly thought could buy thagt, but probably not much point really
[10:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there was also a  brazilen crowd funded thing like a month or two ago that was similar to that, but no I did not back that
[12:53] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: what was the retro gaming thing you got?
[14:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, a chinese crowd  funded thing
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> altough could buy with less space
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_,  bq e.45 or ef hd ? :d h eh
[14:41] <aquarius_> I've got an e4.5 (and an e5).
[14:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, oh you got both
[14:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, how diffenret is the E5 HD to the 4.5 really ?
[14:41] <aquarius_> it's bigger. Other than that, not a lot different :)
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how else would you say it's differnt
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and how much bigger is it?
[14:42] <aquarius_> the e5 is a little bit faster, but not significantly that I've noticed. And I think the e5 is too big in the hand, but I don't like big phones, so you may feel differently about that.
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, it's not on sale anyore from bq either of those, but could get the Android versibion and stick ubuntu on it onself it seems, but I wonder if it matters then if it's the hd or the fhd  not contacted by about that yet
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bq above
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, the 4.5 I got on of thos and the MX 4 Meizu
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the 4.5 is a resoanble size same for the mx 4 r
[14:43] <aquarius_> hrm. I don't know whether you can sensibly install Ubuntu on the Android version. You'd need to ask somebody about that.
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> they got software for it
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for that
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ,but I know there are like actsaully at least two versions of the E5 the HD that Ubuntu was, but maybe even two of that, and I even saw there was a FHD
[14:45] <aquarius_> http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/efa141da2
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, it's probably not really worth spending  100 something pounds in my case on such a phone,  since it would mostly just sit in the draw really I guess really or some where, but to actsaully install something one self to install Ubuntu onself removing Andoid coould be something,  but uh nexus 7 would be better for things like that I guess
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> sit in the draw mostly or som where, not used
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, it's  a bit like with the Meizu MX 6 that's coming soon with Ubuntu,  there probably isn't much proper reason for me to buy that
[14:46] <aquarius_> *nod* seems a reasonable policy
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, well  I got certain other tech things to buy
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that want to buy
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a mind list type thing a mental
[14:46] <aquarius_> haven't we all? :)
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I did put the  Meizu Pro 5 low down on that list, but that's gone out of stock now ah well
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well that was a maybe
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> thinking it through though I got hundreds of pounds I want to spend on other tech in the next few months
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so getting another Ubuntu phone isn't reallly a priority
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, I do want  both M10 tables though, since that's a more useful device in my case :) and the one I have is nice
[14:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> tablets
[14:49] <aquarius_> fair play. Myself, I have no use for a tablet, but others like them
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I think it's great having the tableg
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> t
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> connected to  the logitech k480 keyboard which has a stand thing as part of it
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> blueetooth keyboard
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and get to try where Ubuntu is going early like this,  no I don't mean the convergence, but rather in my case Libertine
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> b
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, being able to ru
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> run standard Desktop Linux programs on Ubuntu touch is interesting
[14:52] <aquarius_> ah, yeah. Lots of people seem to like that. I personally don't have much need for a convergent device at the moment; I can imagine replacing my desktop PC with one when they get a lot more powerful, though.
[14:55] <diddledan> morning
[14:55] <diddledan> eh? o_O https://twitter.com/christensen143/status/749617458290561024
[15:01] <popey> aquarius_: the e5 is one I'm missing - as it marvin
[15:01] <aquarius_> ah, I didn't notice marvin doesn't have one of them!
[15:01] <popey> mx4 should be fixed in a couple of weeks, will hook that up
[15:02] <popey> also need to put a powered USB hub on it, because some devices (like OPO) draw too much current to be on all day
[15:02] <popey> 500ma isn't enough
[15:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, you can sell your E5 HD to popey for five times what it was worth, he'll be a taker  :D
[15:03] <popey> hah
[15:03] <popey> yeah... no
[15:03] <aquarius_> I don't think so, somehow :)
[15:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, we could make our own E5 HD Ubuntu surely though, by buying the Android one from some where, and then sticking Ubuntu on oneself using BQ's software ? :d
[15:04] <popey> I have been given two e4.5s
[15:04] <popey> for marvin
[15:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, maybe even a more updated BQ E5 like that as well, if the FHD version of the phone works ok with the software like that :d
[15:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> marvin was your software thing, I am not sure now
[15:05] <popey> marvin.popey.com is marvin
[15:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[15:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, and yes popey is in desperte need for one, so five times what it was worth will sell to him h eh :D
[15:06] <popey> hahah
[15:06] <aquarius_> I might donate mine to Marvin at some point :)
[15:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> he could try begging Canonical to some how get him one even though they went out of stock h eh
[15:07] <popey> actually I might ask internally if there are any spare
[15:07] <aquarius_> Is there a scope in the app store which is a JS scope?
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, in Canonical ?
[15:07] <aquarius_> I don't know how to find out without downloading them all, which I don't really want to do
[15:08] <popey> good question
[15:08] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, get me a E5 HD if one is spare :d.  more seriously I  would pay a bit probbly for an Ubuntu Edition one, but yeah went out of stock on bq so uhmm
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it was in stock
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> in stock in stock
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for nearly a year and then nope
[15:09] <popey> aquarius_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/winners/ these
[15:09] <aquarius_> ha! nice one
[15:10] <popey> you making a js app scope?
[15:10] <aquarius_> I looked at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/showdown/ but it doesn't link to the winners :)
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, marvin was the thing with your voice in it?
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or was that something else
[15:10] <popey> no, that's Mycroft
[15:10]  * popey wanders off
[15:10] <aquarius_> well. I want to try picking apart a JS scope to see if I can build one. This is difficult because I can't actually create JS scopes on 14.04, but if I have a working one I can probably poke its code a bit :)
[15:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> aquarius_, what are you making for ubuntu touch ?
[15:11] <aquarius_> possibly an apps scope.
[20:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[20:57] <daftykins> blankety blank
[21:00]  * zmoylan-pi hands daftykins a blankety blank cheque book and pen
[21:03] <daftykins> \o/
[21:03] <daftykins> i hope you wore Wogan's wig
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> no but i do have a car radio antennae to fake been a microphone
[21:04]  * penguin42 bends it
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> who do you think you are, kenny everret?
[21:05]  * penguin42 flips his legs over 4 times and screams absollluttellyy :-)
[21:05]  * zmoylan-pi rounds penguin42 and his cohorts up, puts them in a field and bombs the baskets
[21:06] <penguin42> hmph