[04:38] hi [07:08] hello [07:08] (back) [07:34] good morning all [07:55] morning! [07:57] hey Laney! [07:58] hey pitti [07:58] how are you? [07:58] Laney: quite fine, thanks! a bit tired, long soccer evenings :) [07:58] ohhh I heard a little bit about this [07:58] but had a nice and relaxing weekend [07:58] (other than Saturday night, of course) [07:58] Laney: how about yourself? [07:59] very good [07:59] just waiting for the first talk of debconf proper to start ;-) [07:59] yay [07:59] Laney: flight went okay? [08:00] good morning Laney, pitti! [08:00] quite fine [08:00] I even managed to get a little bit of sleep [08:00] xnox managed to get himself delayed by a day though [08:01] we went up table mountain yesterday [08:02] the views & walking were great [08:02] nice [08:02] sounds fun! [08:02] we tried last May when I was there, but it was so windy that nobody was allowed up there [08:02] bonjour didrocks ! ça va ? [08:03] pitti: ça va ça va. Par contre, j'ai entendu des cris dehors en fin de journée par 4 fois, je me demandais s'il y avait le feu :-) [08:03] ;) [08:03] how are you? [08:04] didrocks: seulement une autre semaine, puis la folie termine :-) [08:05] * pitti te donne une accolade [08:05] didrocks: ici on se reveille avec les oiseaux, ils commencent changer à 4h.. [08:05] "chanter" [08:05] * didrocks donne une accolade en retour à pitti :) [08:06] pitti: oui, pareil ici, les oiseaux nous réveillent le matin, c'est toujours agréable :) [08:06] didrocks: boire une bière pour chaque "goal", c'était de travail dur hier soir :-) [08:08] j'imagine ! pour cela que seb n'est toujours pas réveillé je pense :-) [08:08] haha [08:17] good morning desktopers [08:17] bregma: willcooke: hey hey, question: Do X on mir apps share the same X, or are they siloed? Can the X on Mir foo snap spy on other X apps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8aAU_Eh_x0 [08:18] davidcalle, AIUI each legacy app would have it's own Xmir instance. [08:20] davidcalle, I dont know how big an Xmir is, I guess a few hundred meg at least, so maybe that would change in the future - but then the security story would suck, so maybe not. Anyway, bregma will know for sure [08:21] xmir is probably not that big [08:21] like xorg packages are few mbs [08:21] I would rather say in the 10-30M range for the xorg stack [08:22] oh, nice. In which case 1 xmir per app sounds reasonable [08:22] Oh, interesting [08:26] the xmir deb is less than 900k [08:26] but unsure if it brings depends in etc [08:27] so likely under the 10M number [08:27] in any case it's probably not tht much to copy [08:27] bonjour seb128 ! trop de bière hier soir ? :-) [08:28] pitti, salut ! un peu ;-) je suis en France cette semaine donc j'ai des horaires décalées [08:31] seb128, ping :) [08:32] hey hikiko, how are you? [08:32] good :) you? [08:32] good as well [08:32] thanks [08:33] seb128, if you have a moment can you help me find out what I did wrong with my ppa (or create a new from scratch, whatever is faster)? [08:33] sure,what's the issue? [08:33] here's what I did: [08:33] well the issue is [08:33] I apt-get update [08:34] and there aren't any new packages there was only a compiz one although I pushed nux, compiz, unity [08:34] and then I can't start u7 [08:35] (which is normal I guess) [08:35] I suppose I've done something wrong with the versions [08:36] https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2016/06/10/creating-an-ubuntu-desktop-ppa/ here are the steps I followed to create the ppa [08:36] https://launchpad.net/~hikiko/+archive/ubuntu/lowgfx [08:36] and here's the ppa [08:37] +I don't know how to push new changes to the ppa :) [08:38] the 3 packages are there [08:38] yes [08:38] but I had a vm [08:38] and installed the ppa [08:39] and then ran apt-get update/upgrade [08:39] and only compiz updated [08:39] not nux, compiz and unity as they should [08:39] you are sure you don't have unity? [08:39] can you do "dpkg -l | grep unity"? [08:39] yes, give me a moment to start the vm [08:42] ouch found a million packages :) [08:42] dpkg -l | grep "unity " [08:42] ? [08:43] let me pastebin [08:43] ah ok sec [08:44] ii unity 7.5.0+16.10.20160606.2-0ubuntu5 amd64 Interface designed for efficiency of space and interaction. [08:44] so you have the ppa version [08:45] yep :s [08:45] so the problem is in the ppa? [08:45] seems so [08:46] try looking at your unity log [08:46] in .cache/upstart/unity7 [08:47] need to go for a small erand, back in 10 min or so [08:48] sure seb128, btw I don't see anything unusual there, thanks a lot! I'll investigate :) [08:49] Trevinho: seen the 0.9.13.0 release, i'll get to work again on packaging for debian today! [08:58] Trevinho, ping :) [08:58] (we all want you for something today) [09:00] hikiko: hi [09:00] ksamak: cool [09:03] hey Trevinho [09:03] Trevinho, I wanted to ask you if you agree to SRU compiz as it is without the lgfx option and put the current u7 branches (you review) to my ppa as they are (with the new MPs). I was thinking that this is the easiest since we are going to do the .profile solution afterwards, because we won't change anything to u7 and then I'll have to delete the 10 lines that set the settings in UnityScreen constructor and put them in the .profile [09:03] Trevinho: so it's a 0.9.13.0 , not a 0.9.12.3 ? [09:03] Trevinho, how are you? sorry for the game :-/ [09:03] it seems to be the faster to me [09:03] seb128: aaahhh... i lost [09:03] ksamak, ? [09:04] by "we won't change anything to u7" I mean the trunk (official release) I'll only change the ppa [09:05] seb128: http://losethegame.com/ [09:06] hikiko, there is no error in the unity log? did you try to start ccsm to see if the unity plugin is activated? [09:06] unityshell is not activated [09:06] and there's no error [09:06] does it work if you try to activate it? [09:08] it's weird it seems activated and I can't uncheck it [09:09] weird [09:12] hikiko, it's good optimization, it doesn't even display the ui anymore ;-) [09:13] lol [09:13] well if I select in advanced automatic plugin sorting I am able to check and uncheck the unityshell [09:13] progress [09:13] (but still makes no difference) [09:17] seb128: hey... I'm ok.. Well, it was sad. I mean, we never felt (as a nation) so connected with this national team which for the first time was considered nothing and actually played well. We could have continued the game for days without getting one more goal. Germany won just because of luck at the end. But it has been a nice jurney. [09:17] hikiko: as for the profile thing, I've already prepared one. I want now to fix the unity7.conf upstart job and I think we can go with that [09:19] so Trevinho what do you suggest? that we use the proper solution directly in the trunk? [09:19] Trevinho, right, though Germany deserved to win, they score one goal and you have free-penalty-gift [09:19] Yes, we can't release to SRU something without it hitting trunk before [09:19] (I have no objections if we can do that quickly) [09:20] Trevinho, also, will I be able to modify the lowgfx profile? I think there are a few more changes we can do like in the showdesktop plugin [09:20] seb128: well, they deserved... But really they did nothing a part that lucky goal. We made a trap, and they couldn't do anything [09:20] (+thanks you work on that! :D) [09:21] seb128: the penalty... Well, if a player uses hands in that way... At those levels... wow :-D [09:21] Trevinho, well, you have to admit that they copied the italian style perfectly :) [09:22] ogra_: I agree, not that perfectly, but that's the way to play... [09:22] heh [09:22] Trevinho, he had the hands in the air to show he wasn't making a fault [09:22] ogra_: although I was expecting more from the world champions... Or we've been stronger than i thought, or germany isn't that great :-P [09:22] Trevinho, it was not a wanted move toward the ball [09:23] France made one of those yesterday and referee said it was not voluntar and said to keep playing [09:23] seb128: it's fault. I'm a referee. And if you've to control hands also if you don't try to cath the ball. Having hands in the wrong position to block the space, is a fault. [09:23] seb128, he enlarged the body surface, so the penalty was okayish [09:23] seb128: it has not to be. Also if you cover the space, it's fault. [09:23] lol, football... :D [09:24] seb128: as ogra_ says. [09:25] seb128, i think the refree actually has some wiggle room there to decide it wasnt fault though ... [09:25] right === Trevinho changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Football (soccer) Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | tag "euro2016" for football flames [09:25] :-) [09:25] anyway, touch match [09:25] and sucking penalties [09:25] how to miss 7 of those [09:25] Tired players [09:25] well [09:26] really, everybody ran like crazy during the match [09:26] your most awake player missed most spectacular [09:26] All the attackers were defending too [09:26] ogra_: yeah... He tried to troll your great GK, he failed.... :-( [09:26] heh, yeah [09:27] but it's something you've to do in the field... As if it works, then you're the hero [09:27] if it doesn't you are the zero though ;-) [09:27] what i found worse was that the in-game penalty didnt get repeated ... he clearly stopped when running which isnt allowed anymore [09:27] A risk you have to deal with [09:27] ogra_: I think it's allowed now [09:28] not for this euro afaik [09:28] ogra_: you can't block your self, but you can slow down the run [09:28] somewhat a tricky thing though. [09:28] (though i dont know the rules, only what the commenters say) [09:28] I've seen examples of what is allowed and what not, and.... I hardly see the differences sometimes [09:28] heh, yeah [09:28] commenters aren't really very aware of things.. [09:29] Even ours were claming some off-sides that were really not there [09:29] yeah [09:29] Trevinho... [09:29] (now you've to touch the ball, unless you don't interfere with a defensor... for example) [09:29] hikiko: yeah? :) [09:29] lol [09:30] Trevinho, 1- will we merge the profile to trunk so all changes will be there [09:30] hikiko: yes [09:30] 2- will I be able to make some changes afterwards [09:30] becasue I want to change the showdesktop plugin as well [09:30] and maybe a few more things [09:30] what in showdesktop? [09:30] the fading? [09:30] the durations [09:30] yep [09:31] there's fade there too [09:32] hikiko: mh, are we using that plugin or is it something in unity itself? Since I don't remember if showdesktop plugin is enabled [09:32] (it isn't here= [09:33] it's in compiz [09:33] oh wait the profile will only contain the unity settings? [09:33] hikiko: mh, it is, but I think it's not used by unity profile [09:34] hikiko: confirmed... fade there is in unityshell [09:34] yes [09:34] hikiko: I think you can proposse a change to that quite quickly, providing a ccsm option for unityshell, isn't it? [09:35] yep [09:35] like for the others [09:35] hikiko: if you can by 3-4 hours, then do that and I'll include the change in the unity-lowgfx profile [09:35] sure [09:35] hikiko: this is what I've set so far http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18440832/ [09:36] hikiko: if there's anything else that you suggest or that I missed, let me know... [09:36] sure I'll push that change and get a look to the other plugins [09:56] seb128: mind to subscribe desktop-bugs to network-manager-openvpn? [10:06] seb128: since Laney is at debconf, can you ack some compiz pkg changes (well, just adding files, nothing related to control files [10:15] happyaron, can do [10:15] Trevinho, yeah, you can just ask on the channel, Laney might be online at time as well, see happyaron is ;-) [10:15] but yeah I can [10:16] ta [10:28] hikiko: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/compiz/unity-lowgfx-profile/+merge/299029 [10:31] Trevinho, I think it's safe to remove the fade as well [10:31] it's for the fading windows [10:32] hikiko: nope, it handles the dark windows when they're blocked [10:32] hikiko: but I've rmoved the animation [10:33] hikiko: it would be trivial to move it to unity, but for now this is enough I think [10:33] mmm :) ok! then next fix will be an option to disable the fade of the fading windows, I didn't know that it's used somewhere [10:33] because when I disabled it I had no issues :) [10:34] Trevinho, we don't need to move it I think, I'll just add an option there too [10:35] hikiko: no, no... I've disabled the animation alread [10:35] [fade] [10:35] s0_fade_mode = 1 [10:35] s0_fade_time = 1 [10:35] oh :) yeah [10:35] if theres' some optimization to do, feel free... but this is already enough [10:35] ok [10:35] yep [10:35] we need 1 step [10:35] :D [10:36] hikiko: ok, go for that, but the showdesktop in unity has more prio [10:36] Trevinho, can I top apprive it? [10:36] hikiko: if you think so, sure [10:36] I'd like to have a silo ppa ready by today [10:36] as it takes still couple of days to land [10:36] plus the SRU [10:36] we add any other options later let's just have those and I ll send you the showdesktop in a while [10:37] approved [11:07] Trevinho: i let you (or someone) review the size modifier for switcher feat. tell me what you guys think about it. [11:08] it addresses visual impairement. some people need really big printouts, obviously. [11:10] Trevinho, I think it's worth changing the opacity too [11:11] because we skip the blending calculations [11:11] (for transparency) [11:12] hikiko: which setting is it? [11:12] let me see [11:12] * Trevinho at lunch, I'll check that layer [11:12] window_opacity [11:12] Later* [11:12] I'll set it to 1 [11:13] In fade plugin? [11:13] no no in showdesktop [11:14] Showdesktop plugin is not used. It's done in unity [11:14] are you sure? [11:14] I've just changed the settings [11:14] and they work [11:14] Weird. It's disabled in both profiles [11:15] ew [11:15] I disabled it and got a different effect no idea why it was enabled in both my computers [11:16] alright let me disable the unity fade too... I had just put an option to the showdesktop plugin \m/ [11:27] hi again! [11:27] happy monday! [11:29] irccloud hashes Trevinho and hikiko to the same colour, which is a particularly awful pairing to do that to [11:30] I've the same for you (desrt) and Laney [11:30] when will you switch to a normal and configurable client like hexchat or at least irssi? :p [11:30] ya. larsu mentioned this. [11:30] Hey Laney, how is SA? [11:30] i switched *from* irssi :) [11:31] Need to build a cli UI for irccloud [11:31] and you see the results :) [11:31] desrt, it's time to go back! [11:31] :p [11:31] happy monday btw [11:31] i'd prefer that one of you just change your nick [11:31] what up [11:31] we would save some time that way :) [11:31] it's sunny Trevinho [11:31] and most plesant [11:31] pleasant === hikiko is now known as desrt_ [11:31] perfect [11:31] thanks [11:31] :D === desrt_ is now known as hikiko [11:32] ugh. same colour as laney. [11:32] i've had this nickname on IRC for 21 years [11:32] cold dead hands etc [11:32] you're old. [11:32] Trevinho, I think I've fixed it it's *much* faster [11:32] * desrt tries to think back [11:33] i think i've had this one closer to 18.... [11:33] but better get a look :) [11:33] * desrt is old too [11:33] I am uploading.. [11:33] \o/ [11:34] hikiko: you'll be happy to know that i recently signed up for gmail [11:34] * desrt is clearly not afraid of changing her online service arrangements [11:35] Trevinho, I think that when the desktop appears there's still some fade :s it's very quick though [11:36] desrt, why would I be happy? [11:36] hikiko: Yes, but I think that's done inside unityshell plugin. [11:36] I don't even sync my contacts to google :) +I don't even login to the apps on my phone [11:36] hikiko: your encouragements to change my services to better things :) [11:36] I can check that later [11:36] Trevinho, yeah I've done the change there [11:36] :) [11:37] enjoy your lunch anyway [11:37] hey desrt Laney [11:38] how are you? had a good w.e? [11:38] Trevinho, here: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.showdesktop/+merge/299036 [11:38] is desrt to debconf as well? [11:38] no. i took a pass. [11:38] Laney, how was the flight? and how is s-a and debconf? [11:38] but i will travel to europe soon (next week) [11:38] k [11:38] it's only happy_aron and l_aney from our team? [11:39] seb128, yes [11:39] which would make sense, nobody else from the team uploads to Debian I think? [11:41] there should be a debconf for those who download from Debian too... [11:41] there is. it's called diversity sponsorship. [11:42] lol [11:42] lol [11:42] seriously... their explicit intent there is to attract people like downstream distributors [11:42] "they should give you free holidays in addition of the free OS" [11:42] ;-) [11:43] :D [11:43] right, contributors/integrators, not users [11:43] either way... ubuntu, as a project, is definitely a downloader of debian :) [11:44] yeah, I think it makes sense to have Ubuntu distro people there [11:44] i met a lot of tails people in 2015 (first year of diversity sponsorship) [11:44] I would probably have joined if it was not so much travel [11:44] was really cool to talk to a debian derivative about an upstream desktop at the debian conference [11:44] :-) [11:44] same........ [11:46] I've never been to any open source conference tbh (apart from the local fosscomms and our ubuntu conferences), it sounds cool :) [11:47] you should do FOSDEM next year [11:47] or GUADEC this year :) [11:48] you have to be a gnome developer I guess [11:49] seb128: good, got some sleep on the flight so wasn't too dead on saturday [11:49] the U in GUADEC seems to be pretty explicit about that not being true :) [11:50] but uh... seeing as you aren't a user, either... ;) [11:50] hahaha [11:50] GUHADEC (gnome users, haters, and developers...) [11:50] the potential that it could turn him into one should be enough of a reason ; [11:50] ;) [11:50] I am not a hater either! [11:51] her* [11:51] oops [11:51] haters gonna hate.... (and then deny hatin') [11:52] hikiko, lol, damn .. you are eleni ... i didnt remember your nick :P [11:52] :D [11:53] desrt: if it helps I hate all you devs that's why I break your stuff ;) [11:53] desrt: just ask ogra_ and willcooke they'll confirm it :) [11:53] ogra_: better not to assume, as a general rule... [11:53] desrt, what now ? [11:54] ogra_: best not to assume the gender of the person you are speaking to if you don't know them [11:54] I don't mind :) [11:54] desrt, no, m'am :) [11:54] hahahaha [11:54] * desrt .... lets that one slide :p [11:55] davmor2, i approve everything, always :) [11:55] ogra_: and that's why it breaks and then I hate you for it breaking :P [11:56] davmor2, lies, you love me for breaking things ... ;) [11:57] ogra_: no I don't it's my job to break things you take away all my fun by breaking before I see it :P [11:57] ogra_: but I do love you for adding bugs to keep me happy :) [11:57] :) [12:03] Trevinho, (for later) the branch works and there's no fade :) I just had animation and fade windows enabled and didn't realize it was coming by there, you can review it when you come back :) [12:03] so next step: fade windows! [12:06] going for lunch too:) === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === dpm_ is now known as dpm [12:42] * qengho Zzz. [12:48] Dear all [12:50] willcooke: Will you send me an answer about Compiz accessibility? [12:53] alexarnaud, as I said in my email, once the current project is complete [12:57] willcooke: OK, so I forgot the email so. I've remember you have seen your boos and after you will send us a reply. So as I remember I've not received an email after that. So if the answer if no, I note that in my head and I will no disturb you about this subject. Thanks :) === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [14:02] seb128: mind to subscribe it? needed for nm-openvpn's MIR [14:04] happyaron, desktop-bugs is subscribed [14:04] thanks for doing the MIR work [14:04] it's the team we usually for those so it should be good enough [14:05] ok, didn't see the team subscription just now [14:05] ty! [14:05] I just did it ;-) [14:06] thanks the reminder [14:06] yw! === JanC is now known as Guest28478 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [16:57] hikiko: so.. here's the new branch, it applies the low_gfx to more animations https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/lowgfx-mode-less-effects/+merge/299059 [16:57] hikiko: please review it [16:58] Trevinho: there's also a new branch here, easy to test and review ;D https://code.launchpad.net/~ksamak/compiz/switcher_add_size_multiplier [17:04] ksamak: ok, thanks [17:58] night all [18:51] Trevinho, the only part I didn't understand is the nux::Animator, why you had to use it in standalone previews... [18:51] I'll look at it tomorrow [18:52] it's already top approved by andyrock anyway :) [18:58] hikiko: because without that no animation events are triggered [18:59] that in standalone?