[01:22] <swalladge> i'm trying to use ubuntu-device-flash, but I'm getting 'cache formatting was not successful, flashing may fail, check your partitions on device'
[01:22] <swalladge> and it's stuck on the 'powered by ubuntu' logo on boot
[01:45] <swalladge> nevermind - managed to get it working by using the bq flashtool
[01:45] <swalladge> i think i may have messed up a partition somehow
[10:34] <faenil> does anyone know what sets the LD_LIBRARY_PATH when you "start unity8"?
[10:34] <faenil> it's not unity8.conf upstart session
[11:14] <bregma> faenil, simple answer is no one, it's pretty unusual to set that variable for regular system software and I don't see it set for unity8 on any of my devices or desktops
[11:14] <faenil> bregma: I think it's probably coming from /etc/environment
[11:14] <faenil> not sure what the full path is though
[11:14] <bregma> maybe something has altered that on your system(s)?
[11:15] <faenil> no, I just want to know how it is set
[11:15] <bregma> you're trying to find some place to set it then?
[11:15] <ogra_> how are you determining it is altered ?
[11:15] <ogra_> (it isnt in /etc/environment)
[11:15] <bregma> it *is* a classic security exploit, after all
[11:16] <faenil> ogra_: it is
[11:16] <ogra_> well, the app launcher definitely sets it to point to  the confined FS area
[11:17] <ogra_> faenil, nou on any of my devices or in the code that mangles /etc/environment
[11:17] <ogra_> *not on
[11:17] <faenil> I'm looking for a way to start unity8 with a modified path, but without resorting to starting it without upstart
[11:17] <ogra_> if yours has it you must have manually changed it
[11:17] <bregma> you can examine what it is actually set to in unity8 with the comand "tr '\000' '\n' </proc/$(pidof unity8)/environ | grep LD"
[11:18] <faenil> bregma: yeah I know, I want to chage its value though :)
[11:18] <faenil> and exporting vars before using the start command is obviously not working :)
[11:18] <bregma> you can always copy unity.conf into ~/.config/upstart and modify it locally if you're just testing something
[11:18] <bregma> unity8.conf
[11:18] <faenil> bregma: ah right, good that'll do, thank you
[11:19] <faenil> yes it's for performance related investigations
[11:19] <ogra_> you can use initctl
[11:19] <ogra_> to set it for any job
[11:20] <faenil> me looks for manpage
[11:20] <ogra_> (note that you ned to do it from within the running session or you need to extract the UPSTRAT_SESSION variable from the session and set it first)
[11:20] <faenil> yep, I'm already exporting upstart_session
[11:20] <faenil> I'm doing everything from inside a chroot
[11:20] <faenil> (on device)
[11:24] <faenil> ogra_: ah initctl set-env, although that's one var at a time right?
[11:24] <faenil> there's no way to just source a file
[11:24] <ogra_> well, you can write a loop
[11:24] <faenil> I think having a custom .conf is quicker
[11:24] <faenil> of course
[11:30] <faenil> although that will screw my host upstart environment
[11:30] <faenil> mmm maybe better if I just run it without upstart
[11:54] <miculou> hi all
[13:17] <faenil> ogra_: btw just fyi, this is on my MX4 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18444241/
[13:18] <ogra_> faenil, hmm, interesting, not on the pro5
[13:19] <ogra_> (and /etc/environemnt should not have anything but PATH set at all ... thats a long standing bug)
[13:28] <mhall119> bregma: what PPAs shouldn't be added anymore? I can update my blog post to add a warning
[13:34] <bregma> mhall119, *only* the stable phone overlay
[13:37] <bregma> mhall119, did you create bugs for the other problems you encountered?  I found the file-manager bug (it's still happening) but if you have others handy that would be helpful
[13:37] <bregma> eg. ssh-agent not starting (because gnome-keyring assumed gnome-session is running...  something we may be able to work around)
[13:50] <mhall119> bregma:
[13:52] <mhall119> bregma: remove only the stable phone PPA, or leave on that one?
[13:53] <mhall119> I can't remember if I filed a bug with the file manager or not, but I did talk to popey about it a while ago
[13:53] <bregma> mhall119, you should install only the stable phone overlay PPA, no silos
[13:53] <bregma> mhall119, I definitely found the bug on the file manager
[13:54] <bregma> mhall119, also, a recent change landed so the package you need to install is now simplified to unity8-desktop-session (not -mir, although there is a transitional package that redirects)
[13:58] <mhall119> bregma: thanks
[14:02] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: https://plus.google.com/+MarkRife/posts/VRt2r5RjWaR
[14:03] <ahoneybun> OPO is active while saying Bluetooth is not working but the page says it is and other things still don't work
[14:16] <sergiusens> mhall119 when using the terminal, do you have issues with input (I have to go to one of the settings or terminal tabs thing to get input back)
[14:16] <sergiusens> been having that issue for a while
[14:17] <ogra_> i think there was a bug about it
[14:25] <sergiusens> ogra_ is there anyone working on the terminal still?
[14:25] <sergiusens> feels pretty important ;-)
[14:26] <ogra_> sergiusens, i thnk popey knows
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[17:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone here?
[17:41] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi
[17:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, if  a blueetooth device says it will work with Android or mostly, then it should work with Ubuntu Touch as well?
[17:43] <popey> depends on the device
[17:44] <popey> some require apps
[17:44] <popey> others are just media devices like speakers/micrphones/headsets
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh ok
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, or a driver software?  toner things didn't go well
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I seen like a keyboard with a touch pad earlier,  from something else
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that was cheap as well, but not sure how well it would work
[17:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not
[17:46] <popey> keyboards / mice should just work
[17:46] <popey> they're input devices
[17:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, well this is a bit differnt,  a air mouse thing
[17:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, he h I got certain tech things I want to buy in the next three to four months let's say,  and then done for the year I think buying tech,  unless some rather interesting crowd funded thing or something like that possibly
[18:26] <pwca> hi, I am trying to connect my Android cell phone as a storage device but when I plug the USB in it just recharges.
[18:26] <pwca> this worked a while ago and now randomly doesn't.
[18:26] <pwca> the cell phone is an HTC M8 and my OS is Ubuntu Gnome 15.10.
[22:30] <grasstype> So people that use the phone/tablet as a daily driver... what do you miss?
[22:35] <k1l> i guess: whatsapp :X
[22:35] <grasstype> what is so amazing about whatsapp?
[22:36] <grasstype> I swear, I keep hearing about these new programs and websites and such that are new hotness, and I never understand WHY
[22:36] <grasstype> It's how I know I'm old I guess
[22:40] <k1l> well, its a messenger (bought by facebook). but this is just a problem if the people around you use that because they refuse to make a client for ubuntu touch so far. and since its closed software that is the issue
[22:56] <Keziolio> and if you don't use whatsapp ubuntu-touch doesn't work on your device
[22:56] <Keziolio> fml
[22:59] <grasstype> Keziolio, what do you mean?
[23:01] <Keziolio> it was a joke, but ubuntu doesn't work for real, i suppose it's not compatible with android 6?
[23:02] <k1l> Keziolio: compatible?
[23:02] <Keziolio> a guy once told be that android 6 is bad for modding
[23:02] <Keziolio> i use multirom on an opo
[23:02] <k1l> ubuntu-touch is not a mod.
[23:02] <Keziolio> and it doesn't work on cm13
[23:02] <Keziolio> but multirom is
[23:03] <Acou_Bass> grasstype: i ran the phone as a 'daily driver' for a few months - the main thing i missed was a good messenger for multiple protocols - there isa hangouts app that worked awesomely however theres nothing for FB chat aside from using their webapp which is a bit meh and doesnt always work
[23:03] <Keziolio> it "bootloops"
[23:04] <grasstype> it's always weird to me when a webapp doesn't work
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> well
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> its facebooks fault
[23:05] <grasstype> like... it's a webapp... isn't the whole point is that it will always work? Thats the promise, right?
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> you open the facebook webapp (it works fine), you click the 'messenger' icon in the centre, and facebook gaives you an unclosable banner telling you to download their android app
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> so not really ubuntu's fault
[23:05] <grasstype> lol, that's amazing
[23:05] <grasstype> i mean, in the "every screw up is funny" way
[23:05] <Acou_Bass> ALSO, i miss having notifications
[23:06] <Acou_Bass> for my e-mail, for my twitterz, for my FB/hangouts messages
[23:06] <grasstype> I know the gmail app gives notifications
[23:06] <Acou_Bass> yeah, the gmail webapp does weirdly
[23:07] <Acou_Bass> no other webapps do, and the real e-mail app doesnt
[23:07] <grasstype> Wish dekko did. Or if it does, wish I knew how to make it
[23:07] <grasstype> I like how smooth the notifications are though
[23:07] <grasstype> On android ntoficiations annoyed me way too much
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> when you get an app that does notifications right (ie. telegram, or the text messaging app)
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> they are amazing
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> its just a shame no other apps seem to do them
[23:08] <Acou_Bass> XD
[23:09] <grasstype> If I ever get an ubuntu phone, I will definitely miss facetime
[23:09] <Acou_Bass> im actually using sailfishOS now on my nexus 4 - FOR NOW it is far better as a daily driver for me
[23:09] <grasstype> videochat with the wife once a day really makes 2nd shift better
[23:10] <Acou_Bass> but im keeping my eye on ubuntu and plan to switch back once some things are fixed
[23:10] <grasstype> I honestly just assume all the other open source ones are dead. Sorry Sailfish guys, Jolla guys, Firefox OS guys, if your'e still working on that stuff
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> wel
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> firefox is dead :P
[23:11] <grasstype> I wish it didn't die, but I also couldn't see their market that well
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> well... 'firefox OS' is dead - 'B2G OS' (ie. the community-ran fork) is still going
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> i used firefoxOS for a really long time as a daily driver
[23:11] <Acou_Bass> i honestly got along really well with it
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> and the phone costed me like £35 brand new... really cant complain at that price
[23:12] <grasstype> community run forks only die when the last enthusiast is gone. So that's at least another 10 years of life
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> yeah im definitely gonna put b2g OS on my firefox phone when i can be bothered
[23:12] <Acou_Bass> really interested to see where they tatke it
[23:13] <grasstype> Did it still use the gecko engine?
[23:14] <Acou_Bass> yeah it did... there were talks of switching it over to servo but i dont think that materialised yet
[23:14] <grasstype> Every month or two I see something about servo. Hows it coming along?
[23:15] <grasstype> I mean... when it is getting into the main browser?
[23:15] <Acou_Bass> no idea to be honest, i havent really tested it - they are putting out nightly builds though (not in actual firefox nightly, a seperate build)
[23:16] <grasstype> darn. Well, here's to hoping it's ready within a year or so. Maybe we can take back a small bit of chrome marketshare with new and shiny
[23:16] <Acou_Bass> e10s is all working though, that should make it to mainline firefox soon
[23:17] <grasstype> e10s?
[23:17] <Acou_Bass> the whole multi-process thing
[23:17] <grasstype> oh, nice
[23:17] <grasstype> electrolysis, ah, sweet
[23:21] <Keziolio> how do you debug ubuntu touch on a real device? I got a log from multirom but it feels like dmesg output
[23:23] <Keziolio> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Keziolio/de1605258c9cb16524591d3b5c9ef960/raw/73699b55c720518b6e3d1d7ff279f2ef155900bf/gistfile1.txt
[23:51] <mhall119> sergiusens: I never had an input problem with the terminal
[23:53] <sergiusens> mhall119 when unsing a bt keyboard and switching windows it always worked for you? lucky! In any case ogra_ gave me a bug number to look at