[00:54] <diddledan> magnum icecream ftw
[00:58] <daftykins> :D
[00:58] <daftykins> have they shrunk yet?
[00:59] <diddledan> I wouldn't know
[01:01] <daftykins> hehe
[01:01] <daftykins> i just murdered my last M&S chocolate eclair
[01:02] <diddledan> \o/
[01:02] <diddledan> lurve those things
[01:02] <daftykins> diddledan: what excitement awaits you this week?
[01:02] <diddledan> erm.. moar gentoo
[01:02] <daftykins> woohoo!
[01:02] <daftykins> you're cunningly dragging that one out ;)
[01:03] <diddledan> lol
[01:03] <diddledan> yeah .. keeps the money rolling for a bit
[01:04] <diddledan> even as streamlined as I've got it now it still takes several hours to do all the systems
[01:05] <diddledan> before I started on them they were unmaintainable - unable to install anything due to the outdated nature of their software stack being beyond the point-of-no-return
[01:06] <daftykins> *nod* are they all old physical boxen, too?
[01:06] <diddledan> yeah
[01:06] <diddledan> or rather these are just the VMs left - the 8 physical servers have been upgraded to ubuntu
[01:07] <diddledan> the vms were shuffled around on top of those physical servers to get them all buntified
[01:09] <daftykins> *nod*
[01:09] <daftykins> was gonna say, surely you'd just build new then move everything left on the old hosts
[05:04] <mappps> hi
[07:28] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:52] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:52] <popey> morning
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning
[07:57] <brobostigon> :)
[08:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[08:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka, working from the Caravan today, why, cause I can \o/
[08:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: sweet mate, where are you?
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy US Independence Day! 😃
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> or as it's called in the uk... happy traitors day... :-P
[09:11] <Captain_Kirk> quit
[09:11] <MooDoo> oops :)
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> never saw kirk as a quitter... :-P
[09:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Mc-NYPHaQ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoLywiaM6PA
[09:24] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: waste of Tea day I think you'll find we call it
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> but cheap inferior tea sent to americans... not proper tea... :-)
[09:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: shhhh don't tell them that we were charging them top whack
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> mostly tax to keep king george in underpants
[09:27] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: nothing new there then
[13:53] <diddledan> apple and spotify are having a fistycuff fight: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/01/apple-spotify-app-rejection-half-truths-rumors/
[13:55] <zmoylan-pi> more a hissy fit. spotify is playing in apples garden and doesn't like the rules v apple now competes directly with spotify so can strangle them when they want
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> at some point government/courts will have to make a decision
[14:02] <diddledan> aye. if it gets that far.
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> apple taking a cut of every transaction on their platform does seem a little much
[14:07] <diddledan> oops: https://twitter.com/bdsams/status/749967172382916608
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> 1 down, a few million to go... :-P
[14:09] <zmoylan-pi> mind i do have a bad history with watches getting broken
[14:11] <zmoylan-pi> my nuband has lasted 2 months now so i'm a little proud of that... :)
[14:15] <Myrtti> I scratched my Moto360 last week getting stuff from the garage, grazed it against a brick wall. Not end of the world but annoying still :-(
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> i wear long sleeves so at least it's behind at least one layer of protection
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> i did see android watches for sale in a euro store for €20 last week.  i'm morbidly curious as to how bad they are... :-)
[14:17] <Myrtti> cheap ones undoubtedly are bad
[14:18] <zmoylan-pi> then again i saw my first digital watch when i was in school around 1980 when a rich kid got one and 2-3 years later they were for sale for ir£5 everywhere
[14:20] <Myrtti> I love mine. It's a great piece of kit.
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> if it broke completely would you rush to replace it?
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's kinda the ultimate test.
[14:22] <Myrtti> quite possibly
[14:23] <Myrtti> I'd say about 80% probability
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> it's a high number but it isn't 100%... :-)
[14:24] <Myrtti> there's lots of stuff going in my life at the moment, and it's a lot of money to consider at this point when things are still shifting
[14:25] <zmoylan-pi> true, but it's the level of sacrifice that we would put towards replacing, repairing something that describes our commitment to it i think
[14:25] <Myrtti> well.
[14:25] <Myrtti> we're slow movers, it's over a month since dsample cracked the screen on his Nexus 5
[14:26] <Myrtti> wow, Chris Evans stepping down from Top Gear.
[14:27] <diddledan> wow
[14:28] <davmor2> that doesn't surprise me
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> might be the police investigation more than the ratings
[14:28] <diddledan> I guess the rumors of trouble were right then
[14:28] <diddledan> Police investigation?
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/04/chris-evans-to-leave-top-gear-after-police-launch-sexual-assault/
[14:28] <diddledan> oh dear
[14:30] <davmor2> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/top-gear-matt-leblanc-vows-to-quit-unless-chris-evans-is-sacked-rory-reid-eddie-jordan-labour-crisis-a7105186.html
[14:30] <davmor2> and that too
[14:32] <diddledan> gotta love that the media is full with sexual assault stories right now
[14:34] <Myrtti> I was just looking at Facebook memories few moments ago
[14:34] <davmor2> diddledan: it's to take the edge of the politics
[14:34] <Myrtti> year ago I was waiting for Rolf Harris sentencing to happen
[14:35] <diddledan> with regards to sexual assult, I think of this: https://youtu.be/ccw_lcEb0Mc?t=156
[14:37] <diddledan> the line is very blurry between innuendo, harrassment, and assult
[14:37] <diddledan> different people have different tolerences for innuendo where one person finds it fun another will consider it bordering on harrassment
[14:38] <diddledan> of course then you get the bumholes who go full assault who we all must despise universally
[14:39] <diddledan> it’s unfortunately very difficult to prove harrassment :-(
[14:47] <diddledan> in other news, kitties are cute: https://twitter.com/emrgencykittens/status/749977434880110592
[15:43] <daftykins> diddledan: ah har, the cheese defense
[15:43] <diddledan> :-)
[15:45] <daftykins> apparently the chap i did an iPad digitiser swap for is saying it's misbehaving a lot, perhaps the parts are too cheap after all! bit of a pain though
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> or apple checks for replaced non standard hardware and acts the goat to /encourage/ expensive trips to their repair locations /paranoia <_<
[15:47] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't there an update a while back that bricked a few phones that had fingerprint sensor repaired?
[15:50] <daftykins> well that was sensationalised by the 'press' as always, anyone dumb enough to do a screen swap and not transfer the original home button (sensor) was going to get burnt
[15:51] <daftykins> it stands to reason for security purposes that such a sensor would be tied to the mainboard via serial number or so
[15:51] <daftykins> i think i just got too cheap parts really, the digitiser i got was £20... there's one for £27 claiming to be 'original' on ebay there
[15:52] <daftykins> most are now saying £12 XD http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=ipad+air+black+digitiser&_sacat=0
[17:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  
[17:23] <diddledan> I was thinking exactly the same thing
[17:23] <daftykins> another annoying habit :P
[17:24] <diddledan> what, thinking?
[17:24] <daftykins> nah the blank intros
[17:24] <diddledan> aah
[17:24] <diddledan> yeah
[17:38] <daftykins> yay for Q2 end, invoice o'clock is here
[17:46] <DJones> daftykins: You spend to long on irc to be working, so can't see how you can ivoice anybody :)
[17:47] <daftykins> skillful multi-tasking, sir
[17:47] <popey> I don't think any of us can throw that around :)
[17:47] <daftykins> XD
[17:48] <DJones> popey: daftykins: :)
[17:48] <daftykins> and to think of all those from #ubuntu in need of help that starve now i'm no longer around ;)
[19:05] <foobarry> if you have amazon prime, can you buy an add-on item by itself and get free postage?
[19:14] <Myrtti> no, you need to still buy the 20quid worth of stuf
[20:01] <foobarry> i thought prime allowed shipping with any amount of £
[20:01] <foobarry> :(
[20:04] <foobarry> so thats why 25 pack of cdr addon is less than half price of the 50 pack
[20:46] <Myrtti> "As long as the minimum order threshold of £20 of qualifying items is met, Amazon Prime members enjoy their regular delivery benefits on Add-on Items. "
[20:52] <diddledan> add-on items are so-called and under special rules because of the cost of picking, not the cost of postage
[20:56] <Myrtti> yeah. I got a box of tea today as an addon
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> tea... not from a proper tea shop... is that allowed in britain?! :-)
[21:02] <Myrtti> special non-caffeine organic herbal blend
[21:02] <Myrtti> tisane, I suppose
[21:44] <daftykins> as handy as it is, i think there's a certain responsibility to not be getting all the kinds of items that the packing will build up from
[21:44] <daftykins> bit horrified seeing a client buy batteries off amazon the other day, given they have a corner ship 2 door down
[21:44] <daftykins> *doors
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> but corner shop would charge more
[21:58] <daftykins> nah
[21:58] <daftykins> maybe in tax land
[22:09] <diddledan> just been shown this (not safe for kids who havne’t learned swearing yet) https://www.foaas.com
[22:17] <daftykins> heh my dad still uses a mildly educated phone, but he has some pictures my mum wants to post on facebook (groan) - she asked if he could MMS them to me, then me email them to her...
[22:17] <daftykins> i pointed out the quality of them isn't even worth it XD
[22:18] <diddledan> why can’t he just mms them direct to your mum?
[22:18] <diddledan> even so you’re right the quality will be shocking
[22:28] <daftykins> diddledan: well when he sends them to me i get a text from my telco with a site link and passwords to retrieve them, maybe her device is misconfigured
[22:28] <daftykins> don't honestly know
[22:29] <daftykins> MMS is a tech that we can al move on without though :D
[22:31] <Myrtti> daftykins: I've taken into the habit of doing a wish list in Amazon, taking all non-consumables on it and do a search on eBay, and buy from there instead
[22:32] <daftykins> wouldn't that be even more likelihood of individual shipments packaged?
[22:32] <Myrtti> even made a spreadsheet on what maximum bids are still sustainable in comparison to eBay
[22:32] <Myrtti> daftykins: I buy only used, not new
[22:33] <Myrtti> so it's already preloved and at least the manufacturing process doesn't add to the carbon footprint
[22:33] <daftykins> i was more thinking the shipping packaging etc
[22:34] <Myrtti> maybe, a lot of the sellers use recycled boxes tho
[22:35] <zmoylan-pi> even my dumbphone can send pics via email
[22:36] <zmoylan-pi> though i usually send them via bt to a tablet or laptop
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> i think i have a ftp client on it somewhere too...
[22:39] <daftykins> ;)
[22:39] <daftykins> think my dad is quite happy to be away from the computers once he leaves the office nowadays
[22:51] <directhex> doesn't MMS cost like ten million quid per message?>
[22:51] <daftykins> might as well
[22:59] <zmoylan-pi> i think i received about 3 mms in all the time i've had a mobile phone, 1 when my brother sent a pic of his 2nd son, 1 when a norwegian mate had his first kid and 1 of a traffic jam last year.
[23:05] <daftykins> XD
[23:05] <daftykins> bet the last was great
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> it was from a mate who is always late explaining that for once her lateness was someone elses fault :-)