[11:03] <knome> hello ochosi 
[11:05] <ochosi> hey
[11:06] <knome> what's up?
[11:13] <ochosi> not much, renovating the house and working on some porting fun
[11:13] <ochosi> currently notifyd, which i can hopefully release soon, and greybird
[11:13] <knome> ah
[11:13] <knome> :)
[11:13] <knome> so was the "greybird port" to any use
[11:13] <ochosi> i've set up a 3.20 PPA for myself for xenial
[11:13] <ochosi> nope
[11:13] <knome> + question mark
[11:13] <knome> yeah :/
[11:13] <ochosi> i want to go sass anyway
[11:13] <knome> right
[11:13] <ochosi> and it didn't look like greybird at all
[11:13] <knome> i thought it was SASS
[11:13] <knome> heh
[11:14] <ochosi> anyway, i think it won't be too hard, just time-consuming to get everything right
[11:14] <knome> yep, i kind of read that from between the lines, but i didn't read it too carefully so wasn't sure
[11:14] <knome> indeed
[11:14] <ochosi> everything is spread out a little
[11:14] <knome> so i guess one question is
[11:14] <knome> would a CSS->SASS port without previewing be useful?
[11:14] <ochosi> yes, i think so
[11:14] <knome> i mean, if i simply went and converted all CSS to SASS, expecting it to work..
[11:15] <ochosi> well
[11:15] <ochosi> i want to rebase on Adwaita
[11:15] <ochosi> to make maintenance a little easier
[11:15] <knome> so no, it wouldn't be useful :P
[11:15] <ochosi> so it's not just conversion
[11:15] <ochosi> it's fixing greybird into adwaita
[11:15] <knome> yep
[11:15] <ochosi> but you could still do that without testing
[11:15] <ochosi> i've mostly done it like that so far
[11:15] <ochosi> fixed one widget, went to testing
[11:15] <knome> i guess one thing that could actually be useful is discuss about what kind of things make greybird greybird
[11:16] <knome> and even making some graphical examples
[11:16] <ochosi> yeah, maybe
[11:16] <knome> also as a guideline for the future
[11:16] <ochosi> i mean as soon as everything is gtk3-only in xfce that may change a little
[11:16] <knome> how much have you converted so far?
[11:16] <ochosi> much more freedom and more options
[11:16] <ochosi> just the colors and the buttons
[11:16] <knome> okay
[11:16] <ochosi> i started yesterday and set up my env
[11:16] <ochosi> and then started the porting late
[11:16] <knome> aha
[11:17] <ochosi> in between fixing some notifyd issues
[11:17] <knome> :)
[11:17] <ochosi> so notebook is half-done, and buttons
[11:17] <knome> yeah, another thing we need is good documentation on gtk widget names >__<
[11:22] <flocculant> morning you two :)
[11:22] <ochosi> anyway, i'll push some of my work soon if you wanna contribute
[11:22] <knome> afternoon you one
[11:22] <flocculant> heh
[11:22] <ochosi> now i need to take a nap
[11:22] <ochosi> cause then the renovation work continues
[11:22] <knome> tbh, i don't think i will have much time/motivation until august, but we'll see
[11:22] <flocculant> ochosi: sounds great ... 
[11:23] <ochosi> ok then
[11:23] <ochosi> hf
[11:23] <knome> you too
[12:08] <knome> pleia2, i just shared all of my xubuntu stuff in google drive with you (hf), including the WIP 16.04 publicity pack
[12:08] <knome> and i should drive (pun intended) myself to pushing even more of my stuff online so they are available for all, but bleh
[15:18] <pleia2> knome: cool, thanks
[16:31] <pleia2> knome: this is great :)
[16:32] <knome> pleia2, yeah, probably still needs some polish
[16:32] <knome> not the language
[16:32] <knome> i was also thinking point release announcements etc
[16:34] <pleia2> I haven't looked too closely at those generated docs
[16:35] <knome> generated docs?
[16:35] <pleia2> did you look at my quick draft to reply to submissions? I'd like to send it out
[16:35] <knome> nope, but i can do that now
[16:35] <pleia2> the stuff in the release announcement and notes folder
[16:35] <pleia2> I assume those are generated from the wiki
[16:35] <knome> right, they are basically just copies of the announcement/notes with some formatting edits
[16:35] <knome> website and wiki
[16:36]  * pleia2 nods
[16:36] <knome> they are fine - they are manually crafted
[16:36] <knome> i mean for the parts that require manual craft...
[16:36] <knome> where's the draft again?
[16:36] <knome> oh, the pad
[16:36] <knome> just a sec
[16:36] <knome> that's why i lost it...
[16:37] <knome> "when voting begins"
[16:37] <knome> i don't think we said anything about voting really
[16:37] <knome> we said we'll select..
[16:37] <pleia2> ok
[16:37] <knome> oh haha, two pinks
[16:38] <pleia2> I think we want to put all of them on the wiki or something
[16:38] <knome> also, i don't think we want to say "we will publish this"
[16:38] <pleia2> why not?
[16:38] <pleia2> the whole point is to collect a bunch of stories to share :)
[16:38] <knome> if submissions are not obeying guidelines
[16:39] <pleia2> oh, I think those should be treated on a case by case basis
[16:39] <pleia2> we don't use a form letter for that
[16:39] <knome> though i guess then we'll send another kind of mail or no mail at all
[16:39] <knome> ;)
[16:39] <pleia2> the ones so far seem fine
[16:39] <knome> there was one that was already borderline
[16:39] <knome> not the story itself, but the "funny" part
[16:39] <pleia2> yeah, the word was a bit meh
[16:39] <knome> yep
[16:40] <knome> maybe that's better?
[16:40] <knome> leaves us some wiggle room
[16:41] <pleia2> sure
[16:41] <pleia2> I don't think we need a subject, I assumed we'd just reply to their submission
[16:41] <knome> right...
[16:42]  * knome is a bit out of focus
[16:42] <knome> eg. blurry
[16:42] <knome> :P
[16:42] <pleia2> :)
[16:42] <knome> i think that's good
[16:42] <knome> if people start yelling at us for sending silly mails we can re-evaluate
[16:42] <pleia2> ok, I'm going to reply to the 3 submissions
[16:42] <knome> thanks
[16:42] <knome> also
[16:42] <knome> should it be "Xubuntu marketing team"?
[16:43] <pleia2> I think mostly people just want something to tell them their mail didn't go into a black hole
[16:43] <knome> yeah
[16:43] <pleia2> sure
[16:43] <knome> knome's inbox ---^
[16:43] <knome> ok, this is good
[16:44] <knome> do we have an idea when we want to stop collecting submissions?
[16:44] <knome> end of summerish?
[16:44] <pleia2> yeah
[16:44] <pleia2> maybe end of july if we get a massive surge of interest
[16:44] <knome> like somewhere before the 16.10 release stuff starts rolling in our web stuff
[16:44] <pleia2> (hah)
[16:44] <pleia2> sure
[16:44] <knome> i was thinking end of august
[16:44] <knome> more is more this time
[16:45] <knome> oh, another thing...
[16:45] <knome> do we consider mostly xfce stories?
[16:45] <pleia2> what do you mean?
[16:46] <knome> this is mostly theoretical right now, but if somebody sent a story that is about xfce but not xubuntu
[16:46] <pleia2> I think I'm going to request that the questionable one be adjusted some
[16:46] <knome> i mean if they specifically mention they were using some other OS
[16:46] <pleia2> ah, I think we'd have to see how applicable it is to Xubuntu
[16:46] <knome> oki
[16:46] <pleia2> referencing another OS would be a bit :\ I think
[16:48] <knome> yep
[16:50] <knome> but otoh, the "xubuntu stories" can be anything about not xubuntu
[16:50] <knome> like "i remember the exact day i started using xubuntu because i got proposed on the same day!"
[16:50] <pleia2> well, they have to include xubuntu some how, else the're not xubuntu stories
[16:50] <knome> that isn't exactly related to xubuntu, but i would consider it valid for the contest
[16:51] <pleia2> ah, sure
[16:59] <pleia2> knome: plz to make pretty https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-contacts
[17:00] <knome> ugh. :)
[17:00] <pleia2> :D
[17:00] <knome> ok, i'll look at it
[17:01] <pleia2> thank you
[17:07] <knome> ok, mailman page for -contacts should be better now
[17:08] <knome> next i'll drop the subscription text
[17:09] <pleia2> yay, pretty \o/
[17:09] <knome> except i broke it
[17:10] <pleia2> yeah, some stray -- >
[17:10] <knome> ok, should be fixed now
[17:10] <pleia2> cool
[17:12] <knome> ok, some of the excess space is cleared now
[17:13] <pleia2> looks good
[17:13] <knome> yep, much better indeed
[17:13] <knome> and no silly subscription requests
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah
[17:53] <knome> ok bbl
[21:32] <ochosi> wb bluesabre 
[21:33] <knome> (:
[21:36] <bluesabre> hey ochosi and knome
[21:36] <bluesabre> might disappear a few more times, moving servers
[21:37] <ochosi> physically moving around server racks again, are we, eh?
[21:37] <bluesabre> no way
[21:37] <ochosi> :)
[21:37] <bluesabre> new droplet, scp important things, change dns
[21:38] <knome> no way, so you have to carry them through the forest?
[21:38] <knome> are you sure the coverage is better in the woods?
[21:38] <bluesabre> it could be
[21:38] <bluesabre> cell cariers around here don't make the best decisions
[21:38] <knome> :P
[21:38] <knome> your servers are behind a cellular line?
[21:39] <bluesabre> they could be
[21:39] <bluesabre> we're in the future
[21:39] <bluesabre> anything is possible
[21:39] <ochosi> you mean judging from your current uplink?
[21:39] <knome> >___<
[21:40]  * ochosi restarts his session hoping more of the gtk320 theming will finally apply...
[21:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: how are the theme updates coming along?
[21:42] <ochosi> quite ok actually
[21:42] <ochosi> haven't had too much time to work on it
[21:42] <ochosi> but i have the scrollbars, buttons and headerbars down. plus xfce panel and notifyd
[21:42] <ochosi> many other things (like sidebar) i have tweaked, but it's not done yet
[21:43] <ochosi> quite a bit more to do
[21:43] <ochosi> but it feels manageable
[21:43] <bluesabre> very cool
[21:44] <ochosi> still don't understand why some things arent what they should be, but i haven't even opened up the inspector yet
[21:45] <ochosi> so i guess it's my own fault
[21:45] <knome> yes
[21:45] <knome> it's all your fault
[21:45] <knome> [: