[05:09] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn inetpro and others
[05:09] <Kilos> too cold to type here
[05:24] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos... how are you?
[05:25] <Kilos> ok ty nlsthzn and you
[05:25] <Kilos> playing games with locos that think they can play king of the castle
[05:26] <nlsthzn> fine thanks 
[05:26] <Kilos> irc game of thones
[05:26] <Kilos> thrones
[05:26] <nlsthzn> :) sounds interesting
[05:26] <Kilos> let the games begin
[05:26] <Kilos> oh nlsthzn 
[05:26] <Kilos> dont you want to apply for a seat on the membership board
[05:32] <Kilos> i think we need 5 or 7 more
[05:32] <Kilos> nlsthzn dont hide man
[05:36] <nlsthzn> which membership board uncle Kilos?
[05:37] <Kilos> ubuntu membership board
[05:37] <Kilos> where peeps apply for membership
[05:38] <nlsthzn> but there are several of these boards aren't there... one for developers, one for IRC, one for forum's etc...?
[05:38] <Kilos> well done thatgraemeguy 
[05:38] <Kilos> this one is for ubuntu membership board
[05:39] <Kilos> only place where one can get ubuntu membership
[05:40] <nlsthzn> nope, the ubuntu forums council gives ubuntu membership via forum participation...
[05:40] <nlsthzn> I became an ubuntu member that way
[05:40] <nlsthzn> when I was a mod on the forum
[05:40] <Kilos> whew
[05:41] <Kilos> let me try find a mail
[05:42] <Kilos> sent
[05:43] <Kilos> i was never on any forums
[05:44] <nlsthzn> yes I know... that is why you can get membership via many ways... IRC is one... being a dev another
[05:44] <nlsthzn> I assume all the others (non forum) get handled by the membership board?
[05:44] <Kilos> must be yes
[05:48] <nlsthzn> Konversation makes me sad... spell checking only working half the time... and never when I have words I don't know how to spell :/
[05:48] <nlsthzn> even on the latest and greatest of what KDE has to offer
[05:48] <Kilos> lol
[05:48]  * nlsthzn won't serve on anything ubuntu related ever again, sorry uncle Kilos
[05:48] <Kilos> i turned mine off, drove me crazy
[05:49] <Kilos> aw
[05:49] <Kilos> np lad , was worth a try
[05:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn use maaz to check spelling for you
[05:57] <nlsthzn> would be nice if the simply would simply work as required :/
[05:57] <Kilos> lol
[05:59] <nlsthzn> I haven't been happy with the direction of ubuntu and its leadership for a few years now... so I won't go about spreading my gospil of unhappiness but I won't put effort to assist them anymore either
[05:59] <nlsthzn> oh well... I am sure there are enough ubuntu peeps to get the job done
[06:00] <Kilos> it seems that this board struggles to get peeps
[06:00] <Kilos> thats how i got on i think
[06:00] <Kilos> hehe
[06:03] <nlsthzn> that and you are an active ubuntu member that cares for the project and will (and does) a good job in it...
[06:05] <Kilos> ai!
[06:05] <Kilos> i just nag lots
[06:10] <nlsthzn> which is often needed it would seem :p
[06:10] <Kilos> lol
[06:27] <magespawn> good morning
[06:29] <Kilos> hi my magespawn 
[06:56] <magespawn> cold this morning 
[06:57] <Kilos> very
[06:57] <Kilos> really struggled to get out of bed
[06:58] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:58] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[07:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I also struggled this morning even if it's not so cold yet this year
[07:05] <Kilos> whew
[07:06] <Kilos> we have ice in the mornings but as you say it has been worse
[07:06] <Kilos> but i was younger then
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:34] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:55] <pavlushka> Morning everyone!
[07:56] <pavlushka> Morning inetpro theblazehen thatgraemeguy magespawn paddatrapper superfly and Kilos !
[07:56] <theblazehen> hi pavlushka
[07:56] <pavlushka> ah, you there, how are you?
[07:56] <theblazehen> Good and you pavlushka?
[07:57] <paddatrapper> morning pavlushka 
[07:57] <theblazehen> hi paddatrapper
[07:58] <pavlushka> I am good too, just got some spare time, Eid is coming just two days left, So I am busy arranging things, :)
[07:58] <pavlushka> How are you paddatrapper , :)
[08:00] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: Good thanks, you?
[08:00] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: ha ha , ask theblazehen , He knows, :p
[08:00] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: and btw I am good, thanks!
[08:00] <pavlushka> :)
[08:01] <paddatrapper> lol
[08:02] <pavlushka> like to confess, theblazehen is way much smarter than me but I dont know why I kept pulling his leg from the very first meeting, lol
[08:04] <pavlushka> may be its because I find him very friendly. :p
[08:04] <pavlushka> no offense to others, not even to Kilos , :p
[08:05] <pavlushka> theblazehen: were you there in the monthly meeting? or in the monthly meetings usually?
[08:17] <nlsthzn> pavlushka: hmm... Eid starting tomorrow in the UAE...
[08:18] <pavlushka> in south-Asia, it starts a day later
[08:28] <nlsthzn> pavlushka: ah ok, makes sense :)
[08:29] <pavlushka> :)
[08:59] <Kilos> lol
[09:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[09:29] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:05] <theblazehen> pavlushka: Haha thanks. And not normally in the meetings :/
[10:14] <chesedo> afternoon all
[10:15] <chesedo> anyone know of a live cd/usb that can be used to test a (windows) drive for viruses?
[10:18] <magespawn> hi chesedo 
[10:19] <magespawn> there are a few, some ot he av compnies give tham away when you buy
[10:19] <magespawn> some of the av companies
[10:20] <magespawn> i forget the one i used to use
[10:27] <magespawn> i used systemrescue cd i think https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage
[10:27] <magespawn> but it has been awhile
[10:29] <magespawn> and the Trinity Rescue Kit
[10:30] <magespawn> http://trinityhome.org/Home
[10:37] <chesedo> ty magespawn, am checking them out
[11:19] <Sxuza> :	does anyone here know if i can use "shareit" on Macbook ?   and use it to share info with my iPhone ?
[12:07] <superfly> Sxuza: try the macOS channels :-P
[12:10] <Sxuza> came right thanks 
[12:43] <anton_may> afternoon all
[16:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:49] <Langjan> Hi Kilos hoe gaan dit?
[17:01] <Kilos> hi daar Langjan 
[17:01] <Kilos> skuus ek het gaan eet
[17:02] <Kilos> koud maar griep word stadig minder
[17:19] <Kilos> someon mention some goody thats easier to use than nikola the other day
[17:19] <Kilos> anyone remember who it was
[17:22] <kulelu88> Pelican
[17:23] <Kilos> ah ty kulelu88 
[17:39] <Kilos> paddatrapper whats news
[17:39] <paddatrapper> Kilos: enjoying beer and good food. Day off tomorrow which is great. You? 
[17:40] <Kilos> im good ty
[17:40] <Kilos> beer gives you a fat belly
[17:46] <Kilos> kulelu88 what did fly say about it
[17:46] <Kilos> did he say anything
[17:46] <Kilos> superfly comments?
[17:47] <superfly> huh?
[17:47] <Kilos> did you say anything about pelican static site builder
[17:48] <kulelu88> superfly is busy fixing aptitude at debconf :P no time for ubuntu-za
[17:48] <Kilos> then aptitude can only be good
[17:48] <Kilos> i still use it often
[17:49] <Kilos> i see there are many ubuntu dev peeps at debconf
[17:52] <gremble> Good evening
[17:53] <kulelu88> heyo gremble 
[17:53] <gremble> How are you kulelu88?
[17:53] <kulelu88> good good and you?
[17:53] <gremble> I am well thank you
[17:59] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[18:06] <inetpro> SSGs Part 1: Static vs Dynamic Websites https://about.gitlab.com/2016/06/03/ssg-overview-gitlab-pages-part-1-dynamic-x-static/
[18:06] <inetpro> good evenings
[18:06] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:07] <nsnzero> hi guys , its been a while .... hope everyone is good and well
[18:07] <Kilos> i want  to advise other locos that are rebuilding to use bzr and nikola but just wondered if pelican would be better
[18:07] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: read that story ^^
[18:08] <inetpro> and Part 2: Modern Static Site Generators and Part 3: Build any SSG site with GitLab Pages
[18:08] <Kilos> data low, and i wont advise anything but static
[18:09] <Kilos> our 2 sites are great
[18:09] <Kilos> just need to find the competent peeps to do the work their by them
[18:09] <Kilos> there
[18:10] <Kilos> we here in za are lucky to have always had good leaders
[18:10] <Kilos> other countries have big hassles
[18:10] <Kilos> in ubuntu i mean
[18:11] <inetpro> nsnzero: welcome back, where have you been hiding?
[18:12] <inetpro> Kilos: Flattery will get you nowhere
[18:12] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:12] <nsnzero> hi inetpro , i stuffed my system during an upgrade , took some time to sort that out and then we had our first baby
[18:12] <Kilos> nono it has got me everywhere
[18:13] <nsnzero> didnt have much free time 
[18:13] <Kilos> congrats nsnzero 
[18:13] <nsnzero> thanks Kilos
[18:18] <superfly> Kilos: I've used both, I prefer nikola
[18:18] <Kilos> cool ty superfly ill advise nikola and bzr
[18:19] <Kilos> and pelican in case they struggle with nikola
[18:19] <Kilos> see kulelu88 he hasnt forgotten us
[18:25] <Langjan> Hi Kilos toe gaan eet ek ook en raak ge-"sidetrack" Hoe gaan dit?
[18:26] <Kilos> redelik dankie en jy oom?
[18:26] <Langjan> Goed dankie, ek is bly jou verkoue word beter
[18:26] <Langjan> Nuus van Debs en haar toetse?
[18:26] <Kilos> ja ek ook die hoes maak n bors klaar
[18:26] <Kilos> eers volgende vrydag
[18:27] <Kilos> sy moes eers geld bymekaar maak
[18:27] <Langjan> Ai, en hoe gaan dit met haar?
[18:27] <Kilos> $250 net om daai specialis te sien
[18:27] <Kilos> sy se nie te sleg nie
[18:28] <Langjan> Eina! Dis amper R3 000!
[18:28] <Langjan> Enige nuus oor die visum?
[18:29] <Kilos> hulle het vandag die online aplikasie staus verander na finalised
[18:29] <Kilos> maar nog niks verder gehoor nie
[18:30] <Kilos> bang om te vra nou
[18:31] <Langjan> Wat gaan jy doen as hy nou deurkom?
[18:33] <Kilos> as hulle se ek kan gaan dan spaar ons vir vliegtuig kaartjie
[18:33] <Kilos> hehe
[18:35] <kulelu88> anybody setup apt-cacher here?
[18:35] <Langjan> Die "continental drift" van Oz is Noord-weswaarts, dalk kom hy naby genoeg voordat die visa deurkom...
[18:35] <Kilos> maybe they dragged it for the reason of hoping we used the money
[18:35] <Kilos> haha
[18:35] <Langjan> lmga
[18:37] <Kilos> haha
[18:37] <Kilos> as dit naby genoeg kom dan loop ek soontoe
[18:37] <Kilos> what wil be will be
[18:38] <Kilos> ke sera sera
[18:38] <Langjan> Ja sommer met die trapfiets, of loop dan vat jy die skape saam
[18:38] <Kilos> haha
[18:38] <Langjan> Koud by julle? Ons het die kaggel aan
[18:39] <Kilos> vrek koud, ys elke oggend
[18:39] <Langjan> Sjoe! Was vanoggend 7° - die koudste nog hierdie jaar
[18:39] <Kilos> nee hier ys dit
[18:40] <Langjan> Eish!
[18:40] <Langjan> Ys!
[18:40] <Kilos> ja eish
[18:40] <Kilos> met ys ja
[18:40] <Langjan> Lelike goed buite die yskas
[18:41] <Kilos> ja
[18:41] <Langjan> Ons het die naweek in Duiwelskloof rolbal gespeel
[18:42] <Kilos> te koud om te speel man
[18:43] <Langjan> Nee wat, was nie te sleg nie
[18:43] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:43] <Kilos> ek mis durban
[18:44] <Langjan> Het 'n voltal gekry, amper soos "hole-in-one" met golf, kan eis by versekering, R2 000 vir my en R2 000 vir Juanita
[18:44] <Kilos> as die weer liers se dis 5 grade in pretoria dan kry ons ys
[18:44] <Kilos> sjoe dis lekker
[18:44] <Langjan> Het jy in Durbs gebly?
[18:44] <Kilos> goed gedaan oom
[18:44] <Langjan> dankie
[18:44] <Kilos> ek was 20 jaar in toti
[18:44] <Langjan> liers?
[18:45] <Kilos> weather liars
[18:45] <Langjan> ok
[18:45] <Kilos> mense wat lieg
[18:45] <Langjan> toti, watter jare?
[18:45] <Kilos> um
[18:45] <Langjan> hmmmm
[18:46] <Langjan> ken jy Jacob's ladder in toti?
[18:46] <Kilos> seker die 20 jaar voor 90 of daar rond
[18:46] <Kilos> naam klink bekend
[18:47] <Langjan> Dis 'n trap van die pad langs die strand tot bo op die rant waar jy oor die woonstelle kan kyk 
[18:48] <Kilos> kannie onthou nie, net die naam is bekend
[18:48] <Langjan> My swaer se broer het daar gebly, hy het 'n seiljag in sy agterplaas gebou
[18:49] <Langjan> bo by die boonste deel van Jacob's Ladder
[18:49] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:49] <Langjan> Arnold Wadsworth
[18:50] <Kilos> naam nie bekend nie
[18:50] <Langjan> OK waar het jy gebly?
[18:50] <Kilos> nod groot dele van geheue weg
[18:50] <Kilos> in doonside
[18:51] <Langjan> OK ken Doonside ook, net buite toti aan die suidekant
[18:51] <Kilos> binneland van die hoofweg
[18:51] <Langjan> Het 'n neef gehad wat op Kingsway gebly het
[18:52] <Langjan> wonderlike see-uitsig
[18:52] <Kilos> sjoe wat het julle daar onder gesoek
[18:52] <Langjan> visse
[18:52] <Langjan> enn meisies
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:53] <Langjan> of meerminne
[18:53] <Langjan> 2-in-een
[18:53] <Kilos> haha
[18:53] <Langjan> Wat het jy daar gedoen?
[18:54] <Kilos> ek het in die poskantoor se werkswinkels gewerk en naweke en verlof lewensreder by warnadoon slsc
[18:55] <Kilos> en nie een meermin gesien nie
[18:55] <Langjan> en wat het jou na die koue binneland toe laat trek?
[18:55] <Kilos> ek het gaan werk op plase
[18:56] <Langjan> skape opgepas? 
[18:56] <Kilos> geleer van melkery en skape en beeste ens
[18:56] <Kilos> 2500 van die goed
[18:56] <Langjan> sjoe! Beter om lewens te red
[18:56] <Kilos> en paar honderd beeste
[18:56] <Kilos> ek stem
[18:56] <Langjan> waar was die plaas?
[18:56] <Kilos> utrecht
[18:57] <Kilos> en dan na ander plaas by rustenburg
[18:57] <Langjan> Sjou! Koue wereld, daar naby Vryheid 
[18:58] <Kilos> geen skape maar 800 bonsmaras en 200 limousins
[18:58] <Kilos> ja
[18:58] <Langjan> Daai goed wat die mafiabase mee ry?
[18:58] <Kilos> nee man limousin beeste
[18:58] <Langjan> lmga
[18:58] <Kilos> haha
[18:58] <Langjan> lekker uitgevang ne
[18:59] <Kilos> wil jy my epos adres leen
[18:59] <Langjan> het nie geweet jy kry limo beeste ook nie
[18:59] <Kilos> jy kan dit ljdomdonner maak
[18:59] <Langjan> om wat mee te doen?
[18:59] <Langjan> lmga
[19:00] <Langjan> dan ook limousin brandewyn 
[19:00] <Langjan> maar nie beeste nie...
[19:00] <Kilos> toe ek dit gemaak het was ek kwaai dom nog
[19:00] <Kilos> ai!
[19:00] <Langjan> nou is jy nog net dom?
[19:01] <Langjan> nie meer kwaai nie, baie geduldig
[19:01] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjGyuiYgd3NAhVMKMAKHXDIALcQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.limousinsa.co.za%2F&usg=AFQjCNHsOENIDQUAyilibXfiA_9cxKg-sA&sig2=3TOQZ1UzZvNNsFbRPlNGcQ
[19:01] <Langjan> en beslis nie dom nie
[19:02] <Kilos> ja nod steeds dom maar kan nou al die ratte in kopd wissel
[19:02] <Langjan> Lyk my sy gatkant is mooier as van voor...
[19:02] <Kilos> hulle dra goed vleis
[19:02] <Kilos> goei bees
[19:03] <Langjan> dis hoekom hulle die gatkant wys
[19:03] <Kilos> wb Cryterion 
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:03] <nsnzero> good night all , goeie nag almal
[19:03] <Kilos> night nsnzero 
[19:03] <Kilos> ai!
[19:03] <Langjan> lekker slaap nsn
[19:04] <Langjan> werk die tab ding net terwyl hy aanlyn is?
[19:04] <Kilos> ja
[19:04] <Kilos> haha
[19:04] <Langjan> hy hardloop vinnig as hy gegroet het
[19:04] <Kilos> jy leer mooi
[19:04] <Langjan> vroutjie wag seker 
[19:05] <Kilos> huh
[19:05] <Langjan> bobbejaantjie sê huh 
[19:05] <Kilos> en ek
[19:05] <Kilos> ek die vlieg
[19:06] <Langjan> nee man
[19:06] <Langjan> vlieg?
[19:06] <Kilos> [19:47] <superfly> huh?
[19:06] <Kilos> oh hy sit n ?  by
[19:07] <Langjan> now you've lost me
[19:08] <Kilos> dis wat hy gese het daai tyd
[19:08] <Kilos> huh?
[19:08] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel partykeer
[19:08] <Langjan> wie?
[19:08] <Kilos> die vlieg
[19:08] <Kilos> lees man
[19:08] <Kilos> daai een wat super doom nie eers kan dooi nie
[19:10] <Langjan> wat het die supervlieg met bobbejaantjie huh te doen?
[19:10] <Kilos> hy het dit gese
[19:10] <Langjan> jy het eerste huh gesê
[19:11] <Kilos> en as hy kan dan kan ek ook
[19:11] <Kilos> so we
[19:11] <Langjan> wê
[19:11] <Kilos> kyk na die tyd man
[19:11] <Langjan> tyd om te gaan slaap 
[19:11] <Langjan> jy moet lekker slaap
[19:13] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[19:13] <Kilos> bly warm
[19:13] <Langjan> En sos jy sê, que sera sera
[19:13] <Langjan> Dankie vir die chat
[19:14] <Langjan> laat weet van Debs
[19:14] <Langjan> dink aan julle
[19:14] <Kilos> dankie jy ook vir die kuier
[19:14] <Kilos> sal so maak dankie my vriend
[19:14] <Langjan> my plesier, gelukkig niks gebreek nie, het nie kde nie
[19:14] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:15] <Kilos> bly weg van 16.04
[19:15] <Kilos> jy sal gereeld iets breek
[19:15] <Langjan> mooi loop, dankie sal so maak totdat my baas sê dis velig
[19:15] <Langjan> veilig
[19:15] <Kilos> haha 
[19:16] <Langjan> Groete na Melbourne as jy kontak maak
[19:16] <Langjan> ek sien jy Skype so dan en wan
[19:16] <Kilos> dankie baie
[19:16] <Kilos> ja
[19:16] <Langjan> ok will love and leave you now good friend 
[19:17] <Kilos> chow for now
[19:17] <Kilos> be good
[19:28] <Kilos> i go lie in a hot bath for a while
[19:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:14] <kulelu88> gremble: how was the exams mate?
[20:15] <gremble> Passed everything* so a success I think
[20:15] <gremble> I am still waiting for statistics
[20:16] <gremble> How has your stuff been going kulelu88 
[20:17] <kulelu88> not too bad, I am working on a little project using the meetup API currently
[20:17] <gremble> Alright, I passed everything. Just checked and my stats mark was out
[20:18] <gremble> You finished your todo app?
[20:18] <kulelu88> nope, I have abandoned it temporarily. I use the text-format for now
[20:18] <gremble> Ah alright
[20:19] <gremble> Considered learning org-mode? :P
[20:19] <kulelu88> you can make contributions if jquery is your thing :P
[20:19] <kulelu88> link to org-mode?
[20:19] <gremble> Ah, if JQuery was thermodynamic differential equations, maybe :P
[20:19] <gremble> http://orgmode.org/
[20:20] <kulelu88> I'm learning functional programming also :P
[20:20] <gremble> Erlang?
[20:20] <kulelu88> Elixir
[20:20] <gremble> I am sitting here doing programming exercises on Chapter 10 of haskellbook
[20:21] <kulelu88> I hear resources for haskell programming are shite
[20:22] <gremble> I don't know. The one I am using now is pretty cool. It is the book written by bitemyapp (Chris-something and Julie-someone)
[20:23] <gremble> http://haskellbook.com/ You have to buy it though :<
[20:23] <kulelu88> why would you need haskell in your use-case though? aren't imperative languages better for computation?
[20:23] <gremble> they're equivalent
[20:24] <kulelu88> aah non-free stuff, well I'd only invest in such things at intermediate-ish level
[20:24] <gremble> Haskell is nice because of the typing.
[20:24] <kulelu88> Haskell is equivalent to C?
[20:24] <gremble> https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell 
[20:24] <gremble> Computationally.
[20:24] <gremble> Both can compute everything that is computable
[20:25] <kulelu88> heh, I never knew it had such power
[20:25] <kulelu88> but I like Elixir, no time for academic languages like Haskell :D
[20:25] <gremble> The catch is that you can't find out what is computable ant what isn't :P
[20:25] <gremble> That is the halting problem
[20:25] <gremble> I don't think it is an academic language. I am just learning it because it is the language that has kept my interest for the longest so far
[20:26] <gremble> there are quite a few places that use it
[20:26] <gremble> https://github.com/bitemyapp/learnhaskell is the free resources that Chris has accrued
[20:28] <kulelu88> whatsapp apparently. or do they use erlang ? can't recall
[20:28] <gremble> No idea
[20:28] <gremble> Erlang looks like it
[20:32] <kulelu88> nothing beats ugly apt-get install files. seeing unnecessary packages being installed </3
[20:33] <gremble> I don't particularly care actually. My HDD is larger than I will need, so if it installs 3 2MB files more than I need, I am fine
[20:35] <kulelu88> you don't compartmentalize your system? 
[20:35] <kulelu88> your apt logs must be a nightmare!
[20:36] <gremble> Definitely not my nightmare :D
[20:38] <kulelu88> I use LXC containers
[20:38] <kulelu88> my next goal is to get a cacher-container installed
[20:38] <gremble> Why not use freebsd with jails?
[20:39] <gremble> Also, why would I want to containerise my system? That seems like a lot of investment with little to no return
[20:39] <kulelu88> I only containerize experimental/dev stuff. lots of the cruft like installing postgres DBs etc
[20:40] <gremble> Oh, that I get.
[20:41] <gremble> I once had apache installed because I was playing around with it, but it is a mission. Especially since apache assumes that I installed it because I want to serve webpages to the internet always. So it starts up with boot and I couldn't care less to make it behave.
[20:41] <kulelu88> I wouldn't beat my brain trying to containerize my firefox or hexchat. updating that would be an update nightmare
[20:42] <kulelu88> I have the same issue with apache. it is installed on the host cause I needed it for PHP
[20:42] <kulelu88> *squirm
[20:42] <gremble> I don't even containerise any of my compilers/interpreters. Well, haskell is installed with stack and with python I keep it to virtual environments.
[20:44] <kulelu88> you're a brave soul :D
[20:44] <gremble> I don't really have that many
[20:45] <gremble> GCC, gfortran (thats in gcc), haskell, python, tex,... I think any other ones I have installed came with the base system.
[20:46] <kulelu88> check for ruby and node.js
[20:46] <gremble> I have ruby but not node. 
[20:46] <gremble> But ruby is standard
[20:48] <kulelu88> must be a dep for ruby to exist
[20:49] <gremble> Don't think I have ever had a machine that didn't have ruby
[20:49] <gremble> or perl
[20:50] <gremble> Looks like ruby is a dependency for tex
[20:52] <gremble> cool command for the day: $ apt-cache rdepends --installed ruby
[20:54] <kulelu88> you keep an apt-cache?
[20:54] <gremble> I don't keep it. It is there by itself
[20:56] <kulelu88> no no, I mean something like: apt-cacher 
[20:57] <gremble> I think it is safe to assume that I don't then :P
[20:59] <kulelu88> I think I just downloaded info about all ZA meetups
[21:00] <kulelu88> either we have too few or I was rate-limited
[21:03] <gremble> I don't think there are too many
[21:03] <kulelu88> This is precisely what I am trying to figure out, the actual numbers
[21:04] <gremble> 42
[21:05] <kulelu88> I don't think it's that few either
[21:05] <gremble> that was just a rude, hitchikers answer :P
[21:05] <kulelu88> :D
[21:06] <gremble> I am trying to combine three alphabets into all possible three letter combinations. This would be easy with a for loop xD
[21:07] <kulelu88> functional programming ~ making easy things hard
[21:08] <gremble> Depends on how you look at it. I learnt how to program imperatively, so I think that way. Someone who learnt functional programming would find the imperative way weird
[21:09] <gremble> especially since recursion is especially succinct 
[21:10] <kulelu88> some say recursion is bad programming for code readability
[21:12] <gremble> I haven't programmed in production environments, but to my novice eyes, recursion in haskell isn't unreadable. It gives me the rule of the transformation, so you know what it does. The basecase tells you until when it does it, and the type tells you want you get
[21:13] <kulelu88> now go read 3-year-old Haskell code that has at least 10K LoC and tell me if the recursion still makes sense in the context
[21:13] <gremble> You seem very agressive to attack a language you haven't used :P
[21:16] <kulelu88> did I come across as aggressive? the internet lacks context :D I'll add a ":P" to not make you think I'm in rage-mode next time :D
[21:16] <gremble> Negative bias I guess 
[21:17] <kulelu88> you went into auto "defend haskell" mode. Even though I am learning functional programming myself :D
[21:19] <gremble> General functional programming defend mode, because saying "functional programming makes easy things hard" already excludes it from the possibility of usefulness, and I don't think that it lacks usefulness. 
[21:20] <gremble> Haskell is the only concrete example that I have because lisp/f# are both multi-paradigm
[21:20] <gremble> So not pure functional.
[21:21] <kulelu88> but that's not my own catch-phrase. somebody important in the programming world said that functional programming makes hard things easy and easy things hard :D
[21:22] <gremble> See, but there is the important caveat :P
[21:43] <gremble> I solved my problem, but I think it is the most hideous solution ever imagined XD
[21:44] <kulelu88> pastee.org!
[21:45] <gremble> I will, in a moment. Something seems to be missing between my repl and source file
[21:47] <kulelu88> :D a compiler 
[21:47] <kulelu88> what does this do:    sudo /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-import.pl -l /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:47] <gremble> Yes, the compiler is telling me I fucked up somewhere. I am trying to see where, since I copied the code straight to the repl and it did what expected there. 
[21:48] <kulelu88> must be a missing import
[21:52] <gremble> Found my error. My types are the wrong way around :P
[21:55] <gremble> kulelu88, http://lpaste.net/169125
[21:57] <gremble> It works :<
[22:02] <kulelu88> it hurts the eyes :D
[22:02] <gremble> Ah, the suggested one is much much much easier to understand XD
[22:02] <gremble> [(s,v,s') | s<- stops, v <- vowels, s' <- stops]
[22:03] <gremble> That is much simpler than my monster
[22:03] <gremble> This is why I shouldn't program. I would literally think up the most difficult way to implement something
[22:03] <kulelu88> actually, the not-so-optimal solutions is what most regular coders would come up with. 
[22:09] <kulelu88> there's this 1 really bitter asshole in the LXC channel. that guy needs a few real-life friends, cause he behaves like a total jackass
[22:09] <gremble> Haha why?
[22:09] <gremble> What does he do?
[22:10] <kulelu88> for every beginner or person with not-so-much-experience, he behaves like a condescending know-it-all, telling them shit for no reason
[22:10] <kulelu88> no wonder people don't like IRC
[22:12] <gremble> Don't put it all on irc. He's probably one of those guys on twitter that go, "Actually, if you did your research that you would find x is this-and-this" :P
[22:14] <kulelu88> He's pissed me off once or twice before, but I left him. today he attacked someone else so I shut him up. he won't say anything now and probably continue playing WoW in his moms basement 
[22:20] <gremble> I think I've been in a basement once in my life. Its not really a thing that we have here, is it?
[22:22] <kulelu88> nope, nor do we have attics (even with double-story homes)
[22:22] <kulelu88> Tuks has basements though. 
[22:22] <kulelu88> in engineering of course 
[22:22] <gremble> And underneath IT, Merensky
[22:22] <gremble> The Chemistry stores are probably also considered a basement
[22:23] <gremble> HSB obviously
[22:27] <kulelu88> IT building has a basement? Never knew that
[22:28] <gremble> There is a lot of archeology stuff there
[22:30] <kulelu88> like the old CS teachers handwritten Fortran textbooks :D
[22:30] <gremble> Hahaha Probably :P
[22:36] <gremble> I am going to hit the sack. Was good chatting to you again kulelu88. Take care
[22:37] <kulelu88> peace gremble