[02:34] <cat_> Hi I'm having an issue with Jack.
[02:34] <cat_> I can't seem to start it. http://pastebin.com/B3pdSHkC
[02:35] <cat_> I have tried the fixes I found on forums like reconfiguring and pausing pulseaudio.
[02:38] <cat_> here are some scrnshots of my config http://i.imgur.com/6hVj6qk.png http://i.imgur.com/WQv8k0q.png
[03:14] <cat_> brb going to restart
[03:15] <cat_> ok back
[03:16] <cat_> ok it seems when I log out and log back in it works until I try to change the sound card. I will mess with this again one sec.
[03:19] <cat__> Well I think I kind of fixed it. It only stops working if I launch sound settings. After that I have to log out and back in.
[03:22] <cat__> It also happens when I make any change to the number of ports.
[08:48] <HiDeHo> hi
[08:48] <HiDeHo> anyone here
[08:49] <HiDeHo> need some help with ubuntu studio
[08:49] <cfhowlett> !ask
[08:50] <HiDeHo> i know about how irc works. is anyone around and watching
[08:51] <HiDeHo> anyway cfhowlett the software appp in ubuntu studio does not show any apps or anything at all
[08:51] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, bring this to #ubuntu.  I had the same experience but it self corrected.
[08:52] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett: i am on ubuntu studio. they will tell me to come here and ask as its ubuntu studio and not ubuntu.
[08:53] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, you're on ubuntu.  leave it that and ask your question
[08:54] <HiDeHo> ok thanks cfhowlett. the thing with #ubuntu is if your not using ubuntu they wont help. they tell people to go to channels like #kubuntu, #ubuntustudio etc for exact help. the only supported os is the main ubuntu os there.
[08:54] <cfhowlett> HiDeHo, or try the command line.  sudo apt update
[08:54] <HiDeHo> yea that would work though its a fresh install so should have done all that when installing.
[08:55] <HiDeHo> thanks man
[08:55] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[08:55] <HiDeHo> cfhowlett: thanks. how long have you been using ubuntu Studio
[09:15] <cub> HiDeHo: to my understanding it was a bug that was fixed upstream, but you might need to update before it's fixed, as cfhowlett wrote.
[09:16] <cub> A bit strange that #ubuntu sends people here for ubuntu generic questions as the channel clearly states "This channel supports: Ubuntu and its official flavors"
[09:16] <HiDeHo> well i did run sudo apt-get update but still software manager is blank. i installed synaptic not all apps that are usually in the ubuntu repos show.
[09:17] <cub> HiDeHo: just to make sure did you also run sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[09:17] <HiDeHo> just a difference in ubuntu studio which is why Ubuntu Studio is not supported in #ubuntu why would cfhowlett said to go
[09:17] <cub> the Software center is the same in ubuntu and studio
[09:17] <HiDeHo> i have learnt never to run sudo apt-get upgrade it can screw the os
[09:17] <cub> And Ubuntu Studio is an official flavour of Ubuntu. So they should support it their as well. But well ..
[09:18] <HiDeHo> ubuntu studio always has used synaptic since the early days because dabian had it. first
[09:18] <cub> HiDeHo: if you only run apt-get update it will only fetch the list of all new software updates, you need to run upgrade to install them
[09:18] <HiDeHo> why software centre was introduced i dont know
[09:19] <HiDeHo> ok well from my linux experance running sudo apt-get upgrade is used to upgrade the os from say ubuntu 14.04 to ubunut 14.10 and that always fails
[09:19] <HiDeHo> ubuntu is not a rolling release
[09:20] <HiDeHo> but i will run the apt-get upgrade now
[09:20] <cub> I run 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' every time. It has not installed a new release since 2007. So I'm quite certain it works
[09:22] <cub> HiDeHo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/196768/how-to-install-updates-via-command-line#196777
[09:22] <HiDeHo> well dist-upgrade has never been an officially supported because it has issues. first if you run dist-upgrade say from ubuntu 14.04 - 14.10 and then compare that to a fresh install it will never be exactly the same
[09:22] <cub> I wouldn't run an upgrade to a new release.
[09:22] <HiDeHo> dist-upgrade only upgrades what is already there. it never installs newly added things that where not in the previous version.
[09:23] <HiDeHo> this is a fresh install done an hour or so ago
[09:23] <HiDeHo> usually i have used linux mint but i was given an old vista laptop and i wanted to try ubuntu studio
[09:23] <cub> yes, but that fresh install might not have the latest fixes unless it was downloaded during installation?
[09:24] <HiDeHo> well it should have been downloaded during installation pulling the latest from the ubuntu repos
[09:24] <HiDeHo> that is how most linux os i have used work, well all debian based ones anyway
[09:25]  * HiDeHo what does i really know except what experance has taught me. things change and improve sometimes without me knowing. 
[09:25] <HiDeHo> so i stand to be corrected and have run sudo apt-get upgrade now
[09:25] <cub> only if you tick the box during installation. And then I have had times where it timed out getting the updates so usually I only run the installation from my usb and the run apt-get update and upgrade afterwards
[09:26] <HiDeHo> yea good idea.
[09:26] <HiDeHo> cub: how long have you been using Ustudio
[09:26] <cub> since 2007
[09:26] <HiDeHo> cool what made you want/need Ustudio
[09:27] <cub> I had an old computer that wouldn't record music in Windows without getting a new computer. :D And I had been using different linux distros before and when I found Ubuntu Studio it just worked.
[09:28] <cub> HiDeHo: why did you install Ubuntu Studio?
[09:28] <HiDeHo> because i am a musician and wanted to see what tools ubuntu studio had
[09:29] <HiDeHo> i used to have a macbook but that was stolen 2 years ago. I have not done any recording etc since then.
[09:29] <cub> Cool, I hope you find it useful. And if not, let us know! Always good to know when something is lacking
[09:30] <cub> It's basically "just" Ubuntu with stuff pre-installed and pre-configured.
[09:30] <HiDeHo> I want to see what tools DAW, drum machines, setup my mini sound desk with audio interfface, midi keyboard etc
[09:30] <HiDeHo> even my ok usb mic
[09:30] <HiDeHo> yes ubuntu needs special kernals etc for all the music app. low latency kernels etc so jackd works etc.
[09:31] <cub> I had issues with my old usb sound card until 12.04 I think. From then I could run it fully
[09:31] <HiDeHo> i would have used mint but its a pain to set up and install all the right backend and kernals etc
[09:31] <cub> Aha
[09:31] <HiDeHo> cool
[09:31] <HiDeHo> i did test Ustusio many years ago before i got into recording music. it was ok then but i had no need for it all.
[09:36] <HiDeHo> hi back
[09:36] <HiDeHo> sorry about that
[09:36] <HiDeHo> cub, firefox needed restarting
[09:37] <cub> I figured it was just temporary
[09:39] <cub> did the updates make any difference HiDeHo ?`
[09:41] <HiDeHo> cub, does Ustudio use the ubuntu non-free repos
[09:42] <HiDeHo> just checking
[09:42] <cub> Not by default, but you can tick the box for it in the installation or afterwards. I use it because, well it's a lot of useful stuff in there
[09:42] <HiDeHo> yes i am looing for pacisa atm
[09:43] <cub> I'm at work so will be AFK for a while
[09:44] <HiDeHo> nope no option to add not-free repos in software & updates app
[09:44] <HiDeHo> usually it should be there
[09:45] <HiDeHo> mmmm now to find the repo to add manually in comand line
[09:46] <HiDeHo> its just little things that are different in Ustudio so i see
[09:47] <HiDeHo> cub, you there
[09:49] <HiDeHo> i already have the main, restricted, multiverse, universe repos added.
[09:50] <HiDeHo> ok cub guess your busy now. thanks for your help
[11:01] <HiDeHo> Hi all just having problems with finding picasa in the repos its not showing atm
[11:22] <cub> HiDeHo: I'm not sure Picasa is or should be in there?
[11:23] <HiDeHo> well it is in mint which uses the same repos as ub untu.
[11:23] <HiDeHo> cub, its ok i can run without it for now.
[11:23] <HiDeHo> just weird picasa is not there.
[11:24] <HiDeHo> the latest deb i found was for ubuntu petra thats an old ubuntu os
[11:25] <cub> That's weird. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Picasa
[11:25] <HiDeHo> cub, also i still have the blank software app problem. and i cant install .deb files
[11:26] <HiDeHo> well cub i have picasa installed on my mint os which is a ubuntu 14.04 base and it was in the repos
[11:26] <HiDeHo> maybe they have removed picasa in 16.04
[11:27] <HiDeHo> fair enough
[11:27] <HiDeHo> that means i will have to install wine just to get picasa.
[11:27] <HiDeHo> oh well i may leave that for now.
[11:27] <HiDeHo> thanks man
[11:28] <cub> HiDeHo: 14.04 I can understand. But as the support ended March 2016 it was probably pulled from the 16.04 then
[11:29] <HiDeHo> yea i know but picasa has great features and is a great photo manager. i have yet to find a simple photo manager/editor in linux.
[11:29] <cub> the software center issue is unfortunate. I can't do much more from here (mandatory windows computer....)
[11:30] <HiDeHo> ok your on windows atm thats understandable
[11:30] <HiDeHo> i am slowly setting up ubuntu studio with all the extra apps i use.
[11:30] <HiDeHo> its great.
[13:00] <HiDeHo> thanks for the help today cub
[13:01] <cub> We didn't solve much though. :D
[21:19] <unicornjedi> hello
[21:48] <HiDeHo> Hi all anyone here today.
[21:59] <HiDeHo> today i am trying to get an audio interface set up. it shows 2 devices when i plug it in.
[22:18] <HiDeHo> i can not get it to conect and record in audacity using jackd
[22:39] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: audacity and jack do not work well together
[22:41] <OvenWerks> if you start jack with qjackctl, you should end up with the PA-jack bridge running. Then set audacity to use pulse. That is what I do if I want to use audacity for editing.
[22:42] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, to connect an audio interface to Ustudio you need to use jack.
[22:42] <OvenWerks> not true
[22:42] <HiDeHo> Ardour will detect the signal from the usb mixeer but will not record anything
[22:42] <OvenWerks> if jack is not running you can connect directly to alsa
[22:43] <OvenWerks> Ardour and audacity are two very different animals
[22:43] <HiDeHo> ok i will try that. thanks. New user to Ustudio i installed it yesterday.
[22:43] <OvenWerks> which one are you using?
[22:43] <HiDeHo> i am trying to test out things, set it al up and then begin recording my stuff again.
[22:44] <HiDeHo> new user so testing out all apps. and stuff
[22:44] <HiDeHo> you know see what things do etc.
[22:45] <OvenWerks> ok. Audacity is an audio editor (destuctive) while Ardour is a full DAW that uses non-destructive editing.
[22:45] <HiDeHo> so with audacity dont use jack and will try again. if that works i can do basic recording. then i will try to set up Ardour
[22:46] <HiDeHo> audacity can record tracks from instruments. edit previous rechorded audio.  Ardour is more like Garegeband i used before my macbook was stolen.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> Ardour is more like protools.
[22:46] <OvenWerks> I think but am not sure that LMMS is more like garageband
[22:48] <OvenWerks> LMMS however, lacks the ability to record audio directly.
[22:48] <HiDeHo> never used protools.
[22:49] <OvenWerks> Qtractor may be better for that, but does not have any internal synths as it expects the user to load plugins instead.
[22:50] <OvenWerks> Harrison mixbus and Mixbus32c are based on Ardour. So any of the Mixbus videos on Harrison's site or you tube apply to Ardour.
[22:51] <OvenWerks> This console here uses Ardour. http://harrisonconsoles.com/site/images/mpc5img.png  (see the monitor on the very righthand end...)
[22:51] <HiDeHo> i believe that garageband is buuilt on the same bass as apples logic pro app. so it is compatable. just a simplified version of that now. they look and feel similar too..
[22:52] <HiDeHo> it seems in Ustudio/Linux you need a set of tools where on pc/mac you need just one app that can do it all.
[22:52] <HiDeHo> strange really.
[22:52] <OvenWerks> I have not used logic myself. I am told the closest linux app to logic is qtractor.
[22:52] <HiDeHo> but i understand Linux stuff is all free
[22:53] <HiDeHo> ok cool then qtractor is another good DAW is it??
[22:53] <OvenWerks> Ardour can now do pretty much the whole production from one end to the other.
[22:53] <OvenWerks> qtracktor is a tracker (according to it's author)
[22:54] <OvenWerks> It depends on what kind of music you want to do really.
[22:54] <HiDeHo> so does ardour have built in synths, drums, midi instrument effects (bass, guitar, keyboard, piano, etc)
[22:55] <OvenWerks> There are plugins (preinstalled on ubuntustudio) that do all of those things
[22:55] <HiDeHo> write, record, compose music simply which i could do all from garageband before.
[22:55] <HiDeHo> its cool thanks for the help OvenWerks its gettig me introduced to Ustudio.
[22:55] <OvenWerks> depends on the kind of music.
[22:56] <OvenWerks> I do those things with a guitar and a paper :)
[22:56] <HiDeHo> i am supprised with Ustudio this channel is often empty
[22:56] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, paper cant record your music man
[22:57] <OvenWerks> There are not many people. Also most are in Europe and so are awake acording to UTC or +100 or so
[22:57] <HiDeHo> that sucks. i would think Ustudio would have a bigger user base.
[22:57] <OvenWerks> I happen to be living in -0700
[22:58] <HiDeHo> i am living in +1200 ahead of everyone of you al
[22:58] <HiDeHo> lol
[22:58] <OvenWerks> I do use Ardour to record.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> So dateline.
[22:59] <HiDeHo> lol yes i am the first place to get the new day. we trump the world with seeing in the new year and being first to see the new day here.
[23:00] <HiDeHo> that cool plus we have a mostly stable country and no wars and fighting unlike lots of the world
[23:00] <HiDeHo> but yes its a dateline thing
[23:00] <HiDeHo> lol. ok thanks i gtg now and eat, then do some chores today. thanks for the heads up with Ustudio
[23:00] <OvenWerks> I am on the wet coast of Canada. Mostly pretty stabe as well.
[23:01] <HiDeHo> i have been to VC in BC before its a great place
[23:01] <HiDeHo> even got to whistler in 2009 when they where under construction for the olymoics
[23:01] <OvenWerks> I haven't been there for a while.
[23:01] <HiDeHo> winter olympics
[23:02] <HiDeHo> i was shocked that the averge wage was about the same as here. but that things cost way cheaper. a laptop that was $400 there would coust $800 locally
[23:03] <OvenWerks> that is changing.
[23:03] <OvenWerks> Richmond used to be the cheapest place in the world for computer bits.
[23:03] <HiDeHo> yes as the dollar value goes up and down it does change
[23:04] <HiDeHo> even food was cheaper a watermellow locally was about $2.50 for whole one here $5
[23:05] <HiDeHo> the only thing was in 2009 it was the Heatwave 40+ deg C and more like Australia with fire in the hills etc
[23:05] <HiDeHo> if you remember that
[23:06] <OvenWerks> Food has gone up a lot. Even last year I could get 1KG of Almonds for <10$ now $26 for the same bag.
[23:06] <HiDeHo> wow yea
[23:06] <OvenWerks> (some of that could be a really bad season in Califonia)
[23:07] <HiDeHo> one thing is that old computer parts here are usually taken to the tip or a recycling scrap centre. and are hard to get.
[23:07] <HiDeHo> i hear in the USA they have in some places 2nd hand computer shops where people take old computers and the parts are stripped out and can get for a few $
[23:07] <OvenWerks> Same, I put the word out and have had some bits given to me.
[23:07] <ubuntourist> Any python-osc / UDP experts here? When I establish a connection from a client with udp_client.UDPClient(...), how do I detect which IP to respond to in the server?
[23:08] <OvenWerks> While I do know some OSC, I have been programing in c++ with liblo direct.
[23:08] <HiDeHo> because parts are hard to get i had to take several old computers to the recycling scrap place. because of dead ram/cpu power supply etc.  it broke my heart
[23:09] <ubuntourist> If I explicitly supply the return IP in the server's udp_client.UDPClient(...) it works. I'm trying to figure out how to automatically figure out what to add.
[23:09] <HiDeHo> while i can do soem basic html formatting i cant do programming
[23:09] <HiDeHo> ok all i gtg now thanks again OvenWerks
[23:10] <OvenWerks> Bye now.
[23:10] <HiDeHo> i will slowly and carefully go through each app and see how they work in Ustudio and then see what i need to use.
[23:10] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I use lo_address_get_url (lo_address a) to get the sending systems url.
[23:11] <ubuntourist> OverWerks: I've forgotten why I didn't go with liblo... Maybe anticipation of Windows? (Right now, it's between Linux, Mac, and a proprietary DSP that speaks OSC.)
[23:11] <HiDeHo> it seems one good thing about most of the appps is that they have godo documentation if you want to read up on things. not so many youtube videos for the linux apps.
[23:11] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: That doesn't sound right
[23:11] <studio-user636> hello
[23:12] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I thought I read that liblo doesn't like Windows.  What doesn't sound right?
[23:13] <OvenWerks> lo_message_get_source (msg) is what I use.
[23:13] <HiDeHo> here is my computer specks i was given an old vista laptop on the weekend so i thought why not try Ustudio. i have Mint on my other main laptop atm
[23:13] <HiDeHo> CPU~Dual core AMD Turion X2 Mobile RM-70 (-MCP-) speed/max~1000/2000 MHz Kernel~4.4.0-28-lowlatency x86_64 Up~1:30 Mem~1602.1/1998.3MB HDD~250.1GB(8.8% used) Procs~227 Client~HexChat 2.10.2 inxi~2.2.35
[23:13] <OvenWerks> Ardour builds in windows.
[23:13] <HiDeHo> this should be enough specks to do some decent recording i think.
[23:14] <HiDeHo> what do you think OvenWerks
[23:14] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: yes. I have done recording on a netbook with 1 GB
[23:14] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I see now that I was mistaken. Maybe it was a Python 2 vs. Python 3 issue.
[23:14] <HiDeHo> i am liking Ustudio 16.04 so far
[23:14] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: glad you like it.
[23:15] <HiDeHo> if i like Ustudio i could easily use it as my everyday os
[23:15] <OvenWerks> you probably should be using python2... it still seems to be standard
[23:15] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I guess that's not it either. So, maybe I'll try to go back and retrofit everything. But it's a big app.
[23:15] <ubuntourist> (A big set of apps, really. By my meager standards.)
[23:15] <HiDeHo> Ustudio has all i need plus woo hoo low latency and setup for music production apps
[23:16] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I don't know I am not very good with python or the libs that go with it.
[23:17] <HiDeHo> the low latency is a pain to set up in my preferred Linux Mint os.
[23:17] <OvenWerks> have you tried the linux_audio_developer mailing list?
[23:17] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, you seem like a nice guy. what stuff do you record and mix there
[23:17] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: really? it should just install as it uses the same repos.
[23:18] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks Nope. I thought I'd try my hand in IRC first (after several web searches that weren't quite enough).
[23:18] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, it was something to do with the mint setup and conflicts. I thought so too but others also had same issues trying to set it all up.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: I have been doing more coding than making music. I play with people on the weekends, bass guitar and mandolin
[23:19] <HiDeHo> ubuntourist, with irc this channel is for Ustudio your lucky OvenWerks knows something about this subject lol.
[23:19] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: Ah, could be. I tried mint once
[23:19] <HiDeHo> Mint is a way better os that where ubuntu is now.
[23:19]  * OvenWerks happens to be working on Ardour's OSC code these days
[23:20] <ubuntourist> HiDeHo: My early experiments with OSC and Python were being tested against SuperCollider on my UbuntuStudio box. I also got a wee bit of OSC with PD and Processing.
[23:20] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: Also try the #lad in irc
[23:21] <HiDeHo> when ubuntu changed away from gnome and went with Unity many users ditched Ubuntu and went over to mint.
[23:21] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: Thanks!
[23:21] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: that is also why Studio uses xfce
[23:22] <HiDeHo> in the early days of testing out linux i tried some os that confused me allot. even ubuntu did. then i got mint free on an computer mag cd. and boom linux made sense.
[23:22] <HiDeHo> back then it was mint with gnome 2
[23:22] <HiDeHo> i know ubuntu studio uses xfce because its light, fast, optimised and low on resourceses
[23:22] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: there has not been much activity in #lad today. maybe the long weekend.
[23:23] <HiDeHo> i loved gnome 2 but when that went eol i moved to xfce. just before the mate fork camem out
[23:23] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: also partly because it is close to gnome2
[23:23] <HiDeHo> i love and use xfce on all my so
[23:23] <HiDeHo> mint, puppy and Ustudio.
[23:24] <OvenWerks> My wife was using kde (kubuntu) for a bit, but I kept having issues. SO last upgrade I went xubuntu.
[23:25] <HiDeHo> the only thing is on my Odroid U3 (small arm dev board similar to Raspberry PI) ubuntu 14.04 had a some issue with xfce so they used Lxde. and i find lxde and xfce so similar that i hardly notice any difference. only thing is that being an arm device some apps are not built and others only have part of them there.
[23:25] <OvenWerks> What I like about xubuntu over mint is that in mint I have the problems I had two years ago that ubuntu has fixed... of course that means I have troubles mint will see next release :)
[23:26] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: lxde uses some of xfce's bits... I think the pannel is xfce's for example.
[23:26] <HiDeHo> xfce is the best choice. as its light and fast out of the box. to get fancy effects and such you just have to do allot more setup work than Cinnamon, unity, Kde etc
[23:26] <HiDeHo> so xfce is way user frendly and customisavble
[23:27] <HiDeHo> plus xfce will run on any device no matter how old
[23:27] <OvenWerks> :)
[23:28] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: you may have to wait some time in lad before someone answers... have patience leave it run over night if needed
[23:29] <HiDeHo> the only other verry light light desktop I have seen apart from xfce/Lxde is JWM (joes window manager) JWM is the default in puppy linux
[23:29] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks I may try the list, as I can't really leave any of my systems on overnight.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: or try early in the morning. Think UTC time.
[23:33] <OvenWerks> (France, Berlin, UK...
[23:35] <HiDeHo> cool is as cool can be.
[23:35] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: there are actually quite a few
[23:36] <HiDeHo> most of my previous recordings are on my osx backup hdd its just sutting there unused iincase on one day get another macbook pro or something.
[23:37] <OvenWerks> many of them have been around a long time like motif, tab, fvwm etc.
[23:37] <HiDeHo> the only thing stopping me appart from price is i hate the direction apple has gone with fixed parts and limited storage.
[23:37] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, you realise that DE and WM are different
[23:37] <HiDeHo> similar yes
[23:38] <HiDeHo> a light system is using openbox like Crunchbang but last i checked that was built on gnome which is not too light
[23:38] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: most DAWs allow exporting stems. Ardour can import those.
[23:38] <HiDeHo> stems??
[23:38] <OvenWerks> When I started using linux the wm was the also the DE
[23:38] <OvenWerks> Stems are all the tracks each as it's own wave file.
[23:39] <HiDeHo> well a WM can be part of a DE setup but DE dont need a WM
[23:39] <HiDeHo> ah i see
[23:40] <HiDeHo> i thought it was a typo for streams
[23:40] <HiDeHo> as in audio streams
[23:40] <OvenWerks> streams normally means real timeish
[23:40] <HiDeHo> ok
[23:41] <OvenWerks> only thing is stems to comewith plugins etc.
[23:41] <OvenWerks> s/to/don't/
[23:43] <HiDeHo> hey OvenWerks does Ustudio have an update manager that runs in the pannel
[23:43] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: things have changed in 16.04 (in all of ubuntu)
[23:43] <HiDeHo> used to that in Mint
[23:43] <HiDeHo> really
[23:43] <HiDeHo> ok
[23:44] <HiDeHo> i see an app software updater
[23:44] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what the answer to that is. I don't seem to get messages poping up telling there are updates any more.
[23:44] <OvenWerks> Ya, that is what I use.
[23:44] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, is it ok to run software updater app
[23:44] <HiDeHo> in mint it has a shield app in the panel runningn to show when things need updating.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> studio used to as well.
[23:45] <OvenWerks> hey there is a new gimp...
[23:45] <HiDeHo> ok looks like that is not setup darn it.
[23:45] <HiDeHo> yes lol just saw that and ubuntu update
[23:45] <HiDeHo> i find gimp to complex. i like picasa but that is eol for linux
[23:46] <OvenWerks> Also a bunch of boost and c++ stuff :P
[23:46] <HiDeHo> sad :(
[23:46] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: I found why I didn't go with Liblo: According to http://stackoverflow.com/a/27545949/447830
[23:46] <HiDeHo> dont have boost and C++ here
[23:46] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: Liblo is a bit harder to get working on MS Windows because it supports only POSIX threads (pthreads) but not the native win32 thread API, so you need an emulation library
[23:47] <HiDeHo> OvenWerks, is there any pannel extra plugins packs.
[23:48] <OvenWerks> ubuntourist: I am not sure how Ardour deals with That.
[23:48] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: I think so. I have weather going here.
[23:49] <HiDeHo> no there is no extras panel app for xfce4-panel not in 16.04 anyway
[23:49] <ubuntourist> OvenWerks: In any case, my query is now on the LAD mailing list. We shall see.
[23:50] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: xfce4-equake-plugin
[23:50] <HiDeHo> oh
[23:50] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: open synaptic and search xfce
[23:50] <HiDeHo> there used to be a meta package containing all the extra plugins for xfce4-panel
[23:51] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: xfce4-goodies.
[23:52] <OvenWerks> maybe that has too much
[23:53] <OvenWerks> HiDeHo: Ya, I think that is the one