[05:12] <soee> acheronuk: what are the plans for Plasma 5.7 in Kubuntu ?
[05:14] <soee> i have user asking about backports and i'm not sure what to say: https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/fnozssdEnwY
[05:14] <acheronuk> on XX stage and see if we can get it working with Qt 5.6.1 without messing up other qt dependant packages I think?
[05:17] <soee> acheronuk: but do we started it on YY maybe or it all is just waiting ?
[05:20] <acheronuk> already started somewhat in advance of ubuntu getting their official Qt 5.6.1 packages landed in YY. There is Qt 5.6.1 in frameworks staging ppa for YY, but causes breakages so far
[05:21] <soee> ok, thanks :)
[05:21] <acheronuk> as BluesKaj found out when they tried the ppa! eeek
[07:40] <yofel> lp 1530523 - seriously o.O
[07:41] <yofel> (last comments)
[07:41] <soee> rolf ;)
[07:41] <yofel> I wonder if we can put a trigger for that into the manager
[07:42] <soee> yofel: btw. do we have this folder widget fix in Xenial?
[07:42] <yofel> not yet, I have the package prepared, but I have yet to do the paperwork
[07:42] <soee> we had just user on #kubuntu that did not know how to install system from live session :/
[07:43] <yofel> .1 is ~2 weeks away, any other issues than those 2 that we really should look into?
[07:43] <yofel> (install related)
[07:43] <soee> hmm
[07:44] <soee> the broken slideshow is only related to YY right ?
[07:44] <soee> *in ubiquity
[07:45] <yofel> yes
[08:37] <jimarvan> good morning busy bees! :)
[08:40] <soee> hiho
[09:07] <yofel> soee: the issue here might be rather simple: 16.04 does not install apt-xapian-index, all previous versions did
[09:08] <soee> so only this ? :D
[09:09] <soee> it is in kubuntu meta package ?
[09:09] <yofel> it isn't. I guess whatever installed it in the past went away and nobody noticed it vanishing
[09:10] <soee> so maybe it was some aprt of Ubuntu meta packages?
[09:10] <yofel> might've been part of base, yeah
[09:10] <yofel> I think there was some talk about xapian and python3, so that might've been why it got removed
[09:11] <yofel> let me add it to desktop-recommends for yakkety, then we can check tomorrow there
[09:11] <soee> so for kubuntu and neon it should go for respective meta packages ?
[09:11] <soee> Riddell: ^
[09:12] <yofel> IMO yes, making the driver manager depend on it would sound more correct, but it technically depends on a working index, not the generator
[09:12] <yofel> question is how much of a difference that really is
[09:14] <soee> yofel: could we have this fixed for 16.04.1 ?
[09:15] <yofel> yes, enough time if it works in yakkety
[09:16] <soee> ah nice :) so next of most annoying bugs will be gone
[09:18] <yofel> actually, I'll add the dep in both places for yakkety. the driver manager is useless without the index, and I'm not convinced that it's the only thing that needs it
[09:19] <soee> uhm, i do not know the internals :)
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:37] <yofel> ok, I added the dep to the wrong package, qapt is what actually needs it
[09:38] <soee> :P
[09:38] <yofel> well, the meta change stands though
 Thats interesting valorie reported warnings about the xapian index when testing muon. I couldn't reproduce them myself
[09:52] <yofel> rick and others already did tons of debugging if you look at the report. Nobody actually realized that xapian was simply missing until last week though
 What is the name of the missing package?
[09:53] <yofel> apt-xapian-index
[09:55] <yofel> TBH, plasma-discover could probably also use a dep on it
[10:06] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:09] <soee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5nv7vrud_M
[10:13] <clivejo> yofel I added some changes to the git-clone-all script, wil you review - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/commit/?id=d4a4b50e4b0dbd8c78b6bfe8133b96b8f3f68f99
[10:14] <yofel> Kloning? ^^
[10:15] <clivejo> also can you show me the command you use to involve  ubuntu-archive-upload
[10:15] <clivejo> just a silly joke
[10:15] <yofel> the readme should have that
[10:15] <clivejo> like Kopy 
[10:15] <clivejo> the command in the readme wont work
[10:15] <yofel> I think the changes are fine, you will have to fix do-all do work with that scheme
[10:16] <yofel> *to work
[10:16] <clivejo> dont use do-all any more
[10:17] <clivejo> always use that looping command you showed me
[10:17] <yofel> it should still work..
[10:17] <clivejo> shouldnt be difficult to fix
[10:17] <yofel> -            if not os.path.exists(workdir + '/' + package):
[10:17] <yofel> +            if not os.path.exists(workdir + '/git/'):
[10:17] <yofel> shouldn't that be if not os.path.exists(workdir + '/' + package + '/git/'):
[10:19] <clivejo> I couldnt get that bit to work
[10:20] <clivejo> if not ?
[10:21] <clivejo> surely it should be if it exists
[10:21] <clivejo> not if not
[10:21] <BluesKaj> well, had to install Xenial finally...Yakkety daily images are still broken, errored out with message saying missing or corrupted files, installation is aborting 
[10:22] <clivejo> the logic confused me
[10:25] <BluesKaj> guess the only path to Yakkety for me is do-release-upgrade -d , but now I'm having second thoughts 
[10:29] <clivejo> did the error message say what files are missing/corrupted?
[10:31] <clivejo> well I have xapian installed on my system
[10:31] <clivejo> which is probably why I didnt see the errors valorie mentioned
[10:31] <BluesKaj> clivejo,  no files were named
[10:32] <clivejo> driver manager still not working
[10:32] <clivejo> run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[10:32] <clivejo> and driver manager works!
[10:34] <clivejo> looks like that index needs refresh at runtime
[10:34] <BluesKaj> running out of dvd-rw disks for this old pc, it's not usb boot capable and they're becoming difficult to find lately
[10:39] <clivejo> slhk: are you Carlos?
[10:43] <clivejo> Rick_Timmis: do you remember Carlo Vanini IRC nick?
[10:45] <yofel> clivejo: the point of the check is to list *missing* repositories
[10:50] <slhk> clivejo: hi, yes it's me
[10:50] <clivejo> my memory always lets me down
[10:50] <clivejo> I sent you a wee email, did you get it?
[10:51] <slhk> I've been away some time... ;)
[10:51] <clivejo> I noticed you havent made any commits in a while, is everything ok?
[10:52] <slhk> clivejo: please see bug #1579834
[10:55] <clivejo> I’m afraid my understanding of Xapian is non-existent 
[10:55] <clivejo> yofel: does that make sense to you?
[10:56] <clivejo> I assume the driver manager is calling for a xapian update via dbus?
[10:56] <clivejo> but thats not happening?
[10:56] <yofel> this has little to do with xapian, than with python-glib
[10:57] <slhk> exactly, it silently fails because of the wrong import
[10:57] <yofel> patch looks fine to me, so make a debdiff and request sponsorship
[10:57] <clivejo> slhk: and this causes the driver manager to just sit there doing nothing?
[10:58] <yofel> no, that's the dbus endpoint not even being there I think
[10:58] <yofel> although that would make it hang as well
[10:58] <slhk> clivejo: yes, it wait for xapian to complete, but that never happens and it doesn;t get an error either
[10:59] <clivejo> slhk: we also noticed that on some installs apt-xapian-index isnt even installed
[11:00] <clivejo> do you have any idea what used to pull it in?
[11:00] <clivejo> and what package would be best to pull it in, in future?
[11:00] <yofel> might've been muon actually, that only recently got thrown out of the default install
[11:01] <clivejo> that makes sense
[11:01] <slhk> not sure if you need it, there is another script which is called over dbus. I don't recall the name right now
[11:02] <slhk> /usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus
[11:02] <yofel> that is also in 'apt-xapian-index', but yeah, that's broken as well
[11:02] <yofel> so FWIW, have have 2 issues here, and both need fixing
[11:04] <slhk> I see 1 issue: update-*-dbus is broken, wich is the other one?
[11:04] <yofel> that not even being installed
[11:04] <slhk> ok
[11:04] <clivejo> the actual package isnt getting instaled
[11:04] <clivejo> on newer systems
[11:04] <clivejo> on newly installed systems
[11:05] <yofel> I'm working on that, you can wrap up a debdiff for the import issue so someone can upload it
[11:05] <clivejo> yofel: you are putting a dependancy on qapt?
[11:06] <yofel> for yakkety I put a recommends on kubuntu-desktop and libqapt3, and a dep on kubuntu-driver-manager
[11:06] <yofel> need to check if plasma-desktop also should have one
[11:06] <yofel> erm, plasma-discover
[11:06] <yofel> for xenial I'm still pondering what I'll do
[11:07] <clivejo> is acheronuk about?
[11:08] <slhk> yofel: it takes me some time to make the debdiff, I don't have the source around anymore and I'm leaving in 20min, maybe tonight?
[11:08] <yofel> hm, discover seems to work ok without an index
[11:09] <yofel> slhk: sure, I don't have much time right now either
[11:09] <slhk> maybe Discover is using appstream?
[11:09] <yofel> that it probably does
[11:10] <yofel> ok, so that's fine, so only the driver manager and qapt need fixing
[11:11]  * yofel wonders if plasma-discover 5.7 finally has a not-so-broken-looking UI
[11:14] <soee> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/whVecJY.png
[11:14] <yofel> soee: still ok if you make the window smaller?
[11:15] <yofel> but that's ok so far
[11:15] <soee> http://i.imgur.com/ba3GdxE.png
[11:16] <soee> IMO those windows should behave like responsive websites
[11:17] <yofel> they should. I guess the rating improved, but the popularity count still looks bad
[11:17] <soee> still i think that discover looks bad
[11:18] <soee> this slider at the top uses to much space, 
[11:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: about for approx 5 mins now, back late this afternoon or early evening
[11:18] <clivejo> no prob
 Is there a core meeting tonight?
[16:47] <acheronuk> clivejo: core what?
 Its like a pre podcast teaming
 Meeting
[16:50] <acheronuk> wow. last one was nearly a month ago! time flies
[16:52] <ahoneybun> yep acheronuk your free and encourged to join
 Did Simon manage to get Freeciv snapped?
[17:02] <acheronuk> clivejo: don't see it in the 'playpen' or snap find
 Be interesting to see it working
 Today is new podcast?
 Or next week because I am a bit confused :
 :)
[17:33] <ahoneybun> today
[17:35] <acheronuk> meeting? podcast? or both?
[17:40] <jimarvan> hmm dont' see anything on the calendar
[18:01] <ahoneybun> me neither but Rick_Timmis says it is going on
[18:01] <clivejo> what time?
[18:01] <ahoneybun> should be now I think
[18:02] <clivejo> the core or podcast?
[18:02] <ahoneybun> core
[18:02] <ahoneybun> podcast is in 1hour
[18:02] <clivejo> well Im in BBB
[18:40] <Rick_Timmis> Kubuntu podcast in BBB at 19:00 UTC
[18:57] <Rick_Timmis> ovidiuflorin: Ping - We're Panicin
[19:02] <jimarvan> :D
[19:02] <jimarvan> youtube is not live yet?
[19:06] <acheronuk> not here
[19:13] <ahoneybunn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFnG9kBdY9M show
[19:16] <ahoneybunn> #KubuntuPodcast
[20:08] <jimarvan> how are we with the staging packaging? :D
[20:22] <jimarvan> aaron refreshing
[20:23] <soee> :)
[20:27] <BluesKaj> So far my luck with the YY daily images has not been good, Think I'll put off installing it again until there's a chance of success. Sticking with Xenial in the meantime.
[20:28] <soee> keep it in VM for some future tests of Plasma, Frameworks or Apps
[20:29] <BluesKaj> no , I prefer to install to a partition, theat's the real world
[20:30] <BluesKaj> anyway time for other things now ...later, take care
[20:32] <clivejo> grrrrr I cant get this ubuntu-archive-upload script to work
[20:56] <soee> wee 2 of my bugs reported for Plasma 5.7 are already fixed :)
[20:57] <soee> and even systray icons will be higher than now :)
[20:57] <acheronuk> YY daily inage has error deleting files at end of install, but it seems to boot the install afterwards
[21:15] <acheronuk> ^^^ http://i.imgur.com/9sR2q6L.png
[21:16] <soee> :D
[21:16] <jimarvan> so much fun :)
[21:17] <soee> indeed
[21:22] <acheronuk> ubiquity crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/18659933/
[21:23] <acheronuk> but VM runs on reboot
[21:49] <yofel> Jul  6 21:13:03 kubuntu kernel: [  877.878748] dpkg[22434]: segfault at 18 ip 000055839373c8b9 sp 00007ffd3e2d4ca0 error 4 in dpkg[55839372a000+45000]
[21:49] <yofel> wait what?
[21:50] <acheronuk> Seem s like LP: 1599174
[21:51] <yofel> looks like it
[22:02] <valorie> strange, I reported the bug, a browser started up so I could login etc., but FF seems to have no memory of that
[22:03] <valorie> and yet my install seems to be working great
[22:09] <valorie> so what needs testing is only ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma and kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications ?
[22:09] <valorie> err, landing-plasma
[22:09] <clivejo> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing
[22:10] <clivejo> apps 16.04.3 available in 5 hours!
[22:10] <valorie> and kdeapplications?
[22:10] <acheronuk> yes apps one as well
[22:10] <valorie> or should I wait for that
[22:10] <clivejo>  kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[22:10] <clivejo> noooo dont wait
[22:10] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, I just got that email!
[22:11] <clivejo> I need to figure out how to tag these
[22:11] <acheronuk> the packaging in git?
[22:11] <clivejo> I want to tag all of them before doing anything else
[22:11] <clivejo> acheronuk: yes
[22:12] <clivejo> well want to do a release to yakkety of FW 5.23 and Plasma 5.6.5 before starting on 5.7
[22:13] <clivejo> apps I guess could wait for .3
[22:14] <mamarley> I have been running 5.23 and 5.6.5 on Yakkety on several systems for quite some time now with no problems. :)
[22:14] <acheronuk> :)
[22:14] <clivejo> mamarley: yeah, Im actually really looking forward to yakkety
[22:14] <clivejo> its very stable
[22:14] <clivejo> if we can get it into the archive!
[22:14]  * mamarley is looking forward to Plasma 5.7 and Qt 5.6. :)
[22:15] <clivejo> and if that kubuntu driver manager bug can be fixed
[22:15]  * clivejo dances
[22:15] <clivejo> I give up!
[22:16] <acheronuk> the installer icon seemed fixed on the iso today
[22:16] <valorie> key question: when you dance, do you use your hands?
[22:16] <valorie> :-)
[22:17] <valorie> I'm happy with how fast the VM is
[22:18] <acheronuk> VMs seem much less laggy than they used to.
[22:20] <valorie> good grief, how do I start yakuake now?
[22:21] <acheronuk> don't use it, so pass
[22:21] <valorie> ok, rebooting after upgrade
[22:21] <valorie> oh my
[22:22] <jimarvan> ? :)
[22:22] <valorie> I can't imagine life in the cli without my yak
[22:22] <acheronuk> I've tried it, but somehow didn;t get on with it
[22:23] <valorie> it's much easier to use when f-12 pops it up and down
[22:23] <jimarvan> clive that driver bug
[22:23] <jimarvan> comes from ubuntu right?
[22:24] <valorie> on my travel lappy, I have to use alt-f-12 or so
[22:24] <valorie> not as convenient
[22:25] <valorie> huh, qa site won't let me file a report
[22:32] <clivejo> which bug?
[22:36] <valorie> after a reboot after full-upgrade with landing, all is well
[22:36] <valorie> now doing apps
[22:41] <clivejo> valorie: remove them after you install
[22:41] <clivejo> just so you dont forget 
[22:41] <valorie> thanks for the reminder
[22:47] <valorie> ok, all upgraded
[22:47] <valorie> anything in particular needs testing?
[22:47] <clivejo> everything
[22:48] <valorie> snapshotting while I'm at it
[22:48] <clivejo> for docs?
[22:49] <valorie> amarok seems to run fine
[22:49] <valorie> snapshotting the vm, I mean
[22:50] <valorie> the qa page won't let me leave any feedback
[22:50] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/360/builds/124740/testcases/1300/results#add_result just sits there
[22:50] <valorie> oops, I needed to go to the store
[22:50] <valorie> I wonder if I still have time
[22:51] <valorie> ttyl