[00:11] <mate|70239> hiya.  I'm running a Pi-3 with ubuntu mate and was looking for a graphical irc client.  Any recommendations?
[00:13] <randall> quick, to the googlez
[00:17] <randall> I got nothin' have you checked the app center?
[00:24] <mate|70239> rechecking app center
[00:30] <mate|70239> installing ubuntu software center and going to peruse that.  I'm sure they have something for me.
[00:31] <randall> I would think that whatever app source you use would be tailored to the hardware the os is running on
[00:35] <mate|70239> hmm irssi is recommended.  will try that :-)
[00:46] <Eremiell> hi, I'm a Debian/MATE user considering trying out Ubuntu MATE. my question is basically, if I can just dd the iso over a flash drive and use it as installer as I'm used from Debian, or if there's another straightforward way to do that, as the instructions on the website are not exactly clear.
[01:03] <Eremiell> I'll be idling here for a bit and watching some series, just highlight me with any answer and I'll reply once I notice, thanks
[05:29] <Eremiell> I'll have to turn off this machine soonish, so I guess, I'll come for my answer another day...
[07:22] <ouroumov> Eremiell - in case you're reading the public log of this channel: Yes, you can absolutely dd your iso to your flash drive.
[10:09] <Ziggurat> I have a question for one of the maintainers. Why is the Raspberry Pi 2/3 image 8GB and then compressed? Would it not be better if the image was truncated as small as possible then it would expand the filesystem as part of the script Ubiquity runs?
[10:10] <Ziggurat> I mean, in my head that sounds like its closer to best practice, and it would cut the time it takes to write the image to the SD card more than half?
[12:25] <hermann_> Hi all, can somebody tell me how to setup desktop sharing on raspberry? It doesn't seem to be installed by default. thx
[12:26] <hermann_> it's ubuntu 16.04
[12:36] <lukas_aus_muench> hallo! ich benutze so einen chat das erste mal. ich habe ein problem mit meiner laptoptastatur und maus. beides will nicht mehr, auch nicht im bios, obwohl es vorher unter windows und auch unter linux lief..
[12:37] <lukas_aus_muench> ich kenne mich wenig aus und bin froh, wenn ihr bzw. jemand mir helfen kann :)
[12:38] <lukas_aus_muench> jemand da, der mir hilft?
[12:39] <Fred1283> um was geht es?
[12:43] <lukas_aus_muench> hallo darum gehts: meine laptoptastatur und maus geht nicht mehr
[12:43] <lukas_aus_muench> samsung laptop
[12:43] <lukas_aus_muench> hi fred
[12:47] <Fred1283> Hi,  ist es eine USB-Kabel Maus oder bluetooth?
[12:47] <Fred1283> funktioniert das touchpad noch?
[12:48] <lukas_aus_muench> die feste im laptop verbaute
[12:48] <lukas_aus_muench> nein, auch nicht mehr, hat beides schon mal funktioniert (problem war auch schonmal da) und dann beides gleichzeitig nicht mehr
[12:49] <Fred1283> hast du eine USB-Maus zur hand und kannst du den Laptop mal neu starten?
[12:49] <Fred1283> oder eine USB-Tastatur
[12:50] <lukas_aus_muench> ja habe ich
[12:50] <lukas_aus_muench> jetzt neu starten?
[12:50] <Fred1283> schon neu gestartet?
[12:50] <lukas_aus_muench> habe ich schon öfter gemacht
[12:50] <lukas_aus_muench> nein noch nicht
[12:51] <Fred1283> externe Tastatur und Maus funktnioert?
[12:51] <lukas_aus_muench> ja
[12:58] <Fred1283> Blödmann
[16:10] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: thanks for lp #1574789 ;)
[18:15] <Eremiell> hi
[18:16] <az_> i have problem with ubuntu mate, still freezing, just everything become static, even ctrl+alt+del or changing on consoles F1-F6 dont work
[18:16] <az_> this is desktop, no laptop
[18:17] <Eremiell> sounds pretty similar to the trouble I'm having on Debian/MATE, though the problem is probably somewhere between X11 and nouveau (probably with X11), I came here yesterday to ask about ways to install Ubuntu MATE from flash drive, never got answer till I had to close connection and move
[18:20] <az_> hmm
[18:21] <az_> i had some look issues on nvidia drivers
[18:21] <az_> i mean not nice fonts etc
[18:21] <Eremiell> sounds like typical nvidia to me, it always mixes up to looks for worst for me
[18:23] <az_> https://i.imgur.com/xMoqpXx.png
[18:23] <az_> will try now this first from nvidia
[18:24] <az_> yeah on nvidia drivers
[18:24] <az_> i have much bigger fonts
[18:39] <az_> Eremiell:
[18:39] <az_> # grep GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT /etc/default/grub
[18:39] <az_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[18:39] <az_> try that
[18:41] <Eremiell> I believe I already tried that, my issue was a bit more complicated and it prevails with current Debian testing even with dozens different hacks, it also doesn't just freeze, but it visibly corrupts gpu memory and the screen goes white or another bright colour, which is why I consider trying Ubuntu for a bit
[18:48] <az_> for me this nomodeset return 640*480 resolution...
[18:48] <az_> for me just freeze, and dont react on anything
[18:50] <Eremiell> well, not sure if it's connected, but the current trouble at Debian testing + MATE starts blinking the screen in X11 mode the moment X11 starts and if you let it run for about 10 minutes, it corrupts gpu memory, it goes bright (initially black, but the bright colour just starts going down from the top till it fills ste screen) and no reaction either, you can't hange ttys, nothing
[18:51] <Eremiell> if you kill the X11, you can run a termminal only session for unlimited time
[18:52] <Eremiell> I downgraded to Debian stable + MATE for the moment, as no one was able to tell me how to make a Ubuntu + MATE flash drive installer yesterday and the internetz didn't help much either, still ready to give it a try
[19:23] <pilne> like to have a bootable fully "normal" install onto a usb?
[19:24] <Eremiell> yes
[19:25] <Eremiell> well, with Debian, I usually use netinst images with Debian, that I just dd over my flash drive, but I guess only the full images are availbale for Ubuntu MATE (no real trouble with that)
[20:06] <ubuntu-mate> hi hi
[20:07] <ubuntu-mate> alguien habla espa;ol_
[20:10] <northman64> no perdon, i am y abbla alleman...evtl. english
[20:13] <northman64> sorry bye and thanks.
[21:16] <silver-dragon> Hey I have a question about memory. I have 4 gb installed with 2 sticks of 2 gb memory I am using the 64 bit version of ubuntu mate and my computer only says I have 3.2 gb What gives?
[21:19] <ouroumov> hm
[21:19] <nomic> your computer may say 3.2gb is 'available'
[21:19] <nomic> .8gb used, which is about regular
[21:19] <ouroumov> A quick search for "Ubuntu 3.2GB" shows this is a rather frequent question
[21:19] <nomic> what are you using to report the member
[21:20] <nomic> memory
[21:20] <nomic> currently consuming .8gb of 4gb
[21:21] <nomic> i ahve 4gb .. its only reporting 3.7gb
[21:21] <nomic> xubuntu
[21:22] <nomic> dunno about mate -- mate is on my raspberry pi3s
[21:22] <nomic> mate reports 925mb of 1gb (which they have)
[21:22] <nomic> thats in gnome-system-monitor
[21:23] <nomic> /proc/meminfo
[21:23] <nomic> top reports 948mb
[21:24] <nomic> 3.9gb on 4gb machine
[21:24] <nomic> grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo   MemTotal:        3906668 kB
[21:24] <nomic> try that silver-dragon
[21:24] <silver-dragon> system monitor screenshot https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/n8g1dtxrgseo6tq/Apps/Shutter/Selection_025.png
[21:25] <silver-dragon> free -m reports
[21:25] <silver-dragon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/1/view/n8g1dtxrgseo6tq/Apps/Shutter/Selection_025.png
[21:25] <nomic> use /proc/meminfo on cmd line
[21:25] <nomic> grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
[21:25] <nomic> ^ command
[21:26] <silver-dragon> says command not found
[21:26] <nomic> grep Memtotal /proc/meminfo
[21:26] <nomic> hmm
[21:26] <nomic> ok
[21:26] <nomic> memTotal
[21:26] <nomic> capitalisation
[21:27] <ouroumov> grep -i fTw
[21:27] <nomic> $ grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
[21:27] <nomic> MemTotal:        3906668 kB
[21:27] <silver-dragon> what am i pipeing to grep?
[21:28] <nomic> "MemTotal" <- xact capitalisation
[21:28] <nomic> you are not
[21:28] <silver-dragon> I cant grep nothing
[21:28] <nomic> enter this exactly
[21:28] <nomic> $grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
[21:28] <nomic> grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
[21:28] <silver-dragon> MemTotal:        3337440 kB
[21:29] <nomic> cat /proc/meminfo = all the mem info
[21:29] <nomic> 3.3
[21:29] <nomic> you may go to forums ask about your hardware
[21:29] <nomic> ubuntu forums, ubuntu mate forums
[21:29] <silver-dragon> can you even install 2 sticks of ram and have it = 3.2 gb?
[21:29] <nomic> cos  I have no idea why you are reporting 3.3gb
[21:30] <nomic> MemTotal:        3906668 kB
[21:30] <nomic> ^ here, 4gb machine reports that
[21:30] <silver-dragon> I thought you had to have in pairs
[21:30] <nomic> dell
[21:30] <nomic> check chips, etc
[21:30] <silver-dragon> maybe I have 2 sticks of 1.5gb?
[21:30] <nomic> alignment
[21:30] <nomic> could be what you have
[21:31] <silver-dragon> Didnt even know they made thos
[21:31] <nomic> also -- you can see memtest on bios, bootup
[21:31] <nomic> bios access = generally F2
[21:31] <silver-dragon> I am on a Getac M230 I doubt any one would be able to help with hardware
[21:31] <ouroumov> I have 1 single 8Gigs ram stick and this the the ram available: 7845.5MB
[21:31] <nomic> the baseline reporting for memory is from the bios, on bootup
[21:31] <nomic> what the firmware sees
[21:32] <nomic> bbl
[21:32] <silver-dragon> ok I will boot in to the bios and brb
[21:32] <nomic> you'll find it's the same as /proc/meminfo
[22:14] <mate|36125> Hello, all. I want to hack the spi_bcm2835 kernel module to use more than two channels via adding some other pins to be chip select lines. I've done some kernel hacks but was a long time ago. Where do I get the kernel source for pi 3 arm mate ? Do I follow the current general ubuntu kernel hack guides ?
[22:33] <silver-dragon> omg that mem test took for ever
[22:34] <silver-dragon> it says memory was ok but I do indeed have 2 sticks of 2048mb memory
[22:36] <silver-dragon> nomic: you there?
[23:18] <nomic> yeah
[23:18] <nomic> now
[23:18] <nomic> you're going to have to open an issue on ubuntu forums / mate forumds silver-dragon
[23:18] <nomic> forum, open account -- post topic, get feedback.   Is efficient
[23:19] <nomic> all details, hardware spec, version #s
[23:20] <silver-dragon> I think I figured it out
[23:20] <silver-dragon> I think its useing the rest of the 4 gigs as Vram
[23:21] <nomic> whats vram
[23:21] <nomic> some OS configuration
[23:21] <nomic> cache?
[23:21] <nomic> volatile ram
[23:22] <nomic> is yours an old pc
[23:22] <nomic> Video RAM, or VRAM, is a dual-ported variant of dynamic RAM (DRAM), which was once commonly used to store the framebuffer in some graphics adapters. Samsung Electronics Corporation VRAM. It was invented by F. Dill, D. Ling and R. Matick at IBM Research in 1980, with a patent issued in 1985 (US Patent 4,541,075).
[23:23] <nomic> 'framebuffer'
[23:23] <nomic> video ram
[23:41] <silver-dragon> Video ram
[23:41] <silver-dragon> has no video card