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[17:00] <tinwood> do we have people here for the openstack-charms-meeting?
[17:00] <gnuoy> \o
[17:00] <thedac> o/
[17:00] <gnuoy> \o pp jamespage
[17:00] <coreycb> o/
[17:00] <tinwood> okay, so my first time, (oooh), so we'll see how it goes.
[17:00] <tinwood> #startmeeting openstack-charms-meeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul  6 17:00:48 2016 UTC.  The chair is tinwood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <tinwood> welcome all!
[17:01] <gnuoy> thanks
[17:01] <tinwood> The first topic is:
[17:01] <tinwood> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
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[17:01] <tinwood> Looking at the last minutes, gnuoy, it's about moving this meeting!?
[17:01] <gnuoy> sure, I've done a subtopic for each action in the past
[17:02] <gnuoy> but I'm guessing you're looking at me for moving this meeting...
[17:02] <tinwood> Not sure I follow.
[17:02] <gnuoy> #subtopic gnuoy to move this meeting
[17:02] <gnuoy> ^ that sort of thing
[17:02] <gnuoy> anyway
[17:02] <gnuoy> I have a gerrit request up for scheduling the meeting
[17:03] <gnuoy> but we can't have this slot
[17:03] <tinwood> (Still new at this) I guess I have to do that?
[17:03] <gnuoy> we can have: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/
[17:03] <tinwood> And those map to times, I'm guessing.
[17:04] <gnuoy> tinwood, good point they are all 17:00 UTC
[17:04] <gnuoy> so, I propose openstack-meeting-4 biweekly-even
[17:04] <gnuoy> on a Monday
[17:05] <thedac> works for me
[17:05] <gnuoy> biweekly means we can have another meeting if we need for apac
[17:05] <tinwood> We'd have to move our charms catchup?
[17:05] <gnuoy> 1 week in USA friendly time, one week in apac friendly
[17:05] <tinwood> Or is that earlier? (UTC vs BST).
[17:06] <gnuoy> not everyone would attend both
[17:06] <thedac> tinwood:  that is one hour earlier
[17:06] <tinwood> Sounds okay then.
[17:06] <gnuoy> this meeting is 17:00 UTC
[17:06] <tinwood> Yes, I like those slots
[17:06] <coreycb> that time sounds good to me
[17:06] <gnuoy> ok, I will book that first slot, thanks
[17:06] <tinwood> Okay, sounds like an action - is that okay for you to do gnuoy as you're running with it.
[17:06] <gnuoy> yep
[17:07] <tinwood> #action gnuoy to try to book first slot from http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/
[17:07] <meetingology> ACTION: gnuoy to try to book first slot from http://paste.ubuntu.com/18635394/
[17:07] <tinwood> thanks gnuoy
[17:07] <tinwood> #topic State of Development for next Charm Release
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[17:08] <tinwood> Any comments on this topic, please?
[17:08] <gnuoy> Keystone v3 support in the dashboard has landed
[17:08] <tinwood> \o/
[17:08] <thedac> Apparmor for nova-compute is close. I am fighting an amulet race condition at the moment.
[17:09] <gnuoy> A few caveats though. The dashboard now has to have a db relation if you want to use keystone v3
[17:09] <gnuoy> Designate and designate bind should land this week.
[17:09] <tinwood> barbican is very close, but has a bug upstream :(
[17:09] <coreycb> I have a number of deploy from source reviews ready for review, which should cover the bulk of getting DFS into shape.  the corresponding c-h changes have landed for the current reviews.
[17:10] <gnuoy> \o/
[17:10] <gnuoy> coreycb, hopefully you should get your charmhelper syncs for free
[17:10] <gnuoy> with jamespages ch sync for licensing changes
[17:10] <tinwood> So it looks like it's all heading in the right direction.
[17:11] <gnuoy> one more thing
[17:11] <tinwood> Any more before we move on?
[17:11] <gnuoy> all interfaces and layers are in Git/Gerrit now
[17:11] <gnuoy> ^ Repoint reviews if you need to!
[17:11] <coreycb> gnuoy, very nice
[17:11] <gnuoy> jamespages work but am happy to take the credit
[17:12] <coreycb> :)
[17:12] <tinwood> Oh, at the feature freeze day is next week.
[17:12] <gnuoy> yea! good point
[17:12] <thedac> coreycb++
[17:13] <gnuoy> Thursday next week to be precise
[17:13] <tinwood> So anything that has to make the release needs to be done by next Thursday.
[17:13] <coreycb> tinwood, feature-wise, at least
[17:13] <tinwood> yes
[17:14] <tinwood> next:
[17:14] <tinwood> #topic Release Bugs
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[17:14] <tinwood> gnuoy, would you have your link handy?
[17:15] <tinwood> I'm guessing: #link https://goo.gl/HJjORI
[17:15] <gnuoy> yep
[17:15] <tinwood> Yes, there are 32 bugs on the list.
[17:16] <gnuoy> ...and we still seem to making little progress
[17:16] <gnuoy> that seems to be like 32 too many
[17:16] <tinwood> Do they need to be shifted by 16.07?
[17:17] <tinwood> bearing in mind some of them are quite 'old'.
[17:17] <gnuoy> I'm not sure, I think James does something about retargeting bus
[17:17] <gnuoy> * bugs
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[17:17] <jamespage_shadow> so long as our run rate on bugs is stable, I think we're ok - we need to focus on high priority bugs first
[17:17] <jamespage_shadow> (of coursE)
[17:18] <jamespage_shadow> I would encourage you all to take some time over the next week and spend an hour on the bug queue
[17:18] <jamespage_shadow> please :-)
[17:18] <jamespage_shadow> I'll be focussing on reviews, landing and bugs in the next 8 days in the runup to final freeze
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[17:18] <tinwood> okay, that sounds like a good plan.
[17:19] <tinwood> #topic Openstack Events
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[17:19] <tinwood> I noticed an email that said there was a week to go for submitting talk abstracts for ODS?  Did I read that right?
[17:20] <gnuoy> tinwood, I think your looking at an out of data agends
[17:20] <gnuoy> * agenda
[17:20] <gnuoy> I have next agenda item as "Openstack talk submissions for ODS
[17:20] <gnuoy> "
[17:20] <gnuoy> ...
[17:20] <tinwood> indeed. sorry.
[17:20] <gnuoy> np, they were adds
[17:21] <tinwood> #topic Openstack talk submissions for ODS
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[17:21] <gnuoy> So, hands up if you've submitted one!
[17:21]  * gnuoy keeps his hand down
[17:21]  * tinwood knows nothing :(
[17:21] <coreycb> I plan to submit one, not sure what yet though
[17:21] <tinwood> aparently ONE talk has been submitted so far.
[17:22] <tinwood> according to the email I saw.
[17:22] <thedac> gnuoy: we talked about a Openstack charms development talk we could co-author
[17:22] <gnuoy> yes, agreed
[17:23] <tinwood> I'd love to collaborate as I enjoy talking.
[17:23] <tinwood> but not if you've already got a partner!
[17:23] <thedac> sounds good we can discuss offline
[17:23] <gnuoy> and lets talk to markbaker about getting a charm school workshop as well
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[17:24] <jamespage_shadow> some general guidance - talk about things openstack-ish that are really interesting to the general community
[17:24] <jamespage_shadow> we're (almost) and openstack project, so this is a great change to let the world know about us!
[17:24] <jamespage_shadow> deploying openstack talks +1000
[17:25] <jamespage_shadow> beisner, testing stuff good as well - maybe some s390-ish?
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[17:25] <tinwood> Anything else on ODS?
[17:25] <tinwood> Any actions?
[17:26] <cargonza> wrt to charm school, I need to sync with the sales team to field the attendance...
[17:26] <tinwood> #action cargonza to sync with sales team re charm school at ODS Barcelona
[17:26] <meetingology> ACTION: cargonza to sync with sales team re charm school at ODS Barcelona
[17:26] <cargonza> I'll coordinate logistics with the admins (ie. rooms, av, etc.)
[17:26] <gnuoy> awesome
[17:27] <tinwood> excellent.
[17:27] <tinwood> Okay, next topic looks a bit strange.
[17:27] <tinwood> #topic What does the chair of this meeting do after the meeting?
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[17:27] <gnuoy> ok, this one is mine
[17:28] <gnuoy> The chair of this meeting doesn't always seem to be following the actions outlined in the wiki
[17:28] <coreycb> drinks a beer and goes to bed?
[17:28]  * tinwood lol
[17:28] <gnuoy> So, can we review the process and amend accordingly
[17:29] <tinwood> My first time so ..
[17:29] <gnuoy> tinwood, I think thats an action for jamespage and I
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[17:29] <jamespage_shadow> agreed -
[17:29] <jamespage_shadow> once we move under #openstack for meetings we get automated minutes; but I'd like for us to announce the meeting prior to it happening
[17:30] <jamespage_shadow> and summarize on the openstack-dev ML afterwards
[17:30] <tinwood> #action gnuoy & jamespage to review the chair's post meeting process and amend as required.
[17:30] <meetingology> ACTION: gnuoy & jamespage to review the chair's post meeting process and amend as required.
[17:30] <jamespage_shadow> which is not as documented on the ubuntu wiki, but that's where we came from , not where we want to be
[17:30] <jamespage_shadow> lets get that sorted out between now and next week
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[17:30] <gnuoy> tinwood, sorry, I meant previous chairs not you
[17:31] <gnuoy> what I really meant was:
[17:31] <tinwood> okay, that sounds good.  I'm hoping one of you is a chair for the first openstack-meetings meeting.
[17:31] <gnuoy> We have a process documented and I don;t think its clear to everyone so lets review that
[17:32] <tinwood> Right, so there's an action for that.  okay to move on?
[17:32] <gnuoy> sounds good to me
[17:32] <tinwood> #topic workload status messages, max 20 chars and proper case?
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[17:32] <gnuoy> ok, so, thats me as weel
[17:32] <gnuoy> * well
[17:32] <tinwood> I think I'm guilty here.
[17:33]  * thedac hides
[17:33] <gnuoy> There was a suggestion that we are consistent accross all charms and use proper caps and limit them to 20 chars
[17:33] <tinwood> When you say 'Proper Caps', what do you mean?
[17:33] <gnuoy> I'm not convinced tbh. I think we'll loose valuable info
[17:33] <gnuoy> Like this
[17:33] <gnuoy> rather than
[17:33] <gnuoy> like this
[17:34] <tinwood> Okay, that's good.
[17:34] <tinwood> What's the driver?
[17:34] <tinwood> for 20 chars only?
[17:34] <thedac> I agree a max 20 chars will lose valuable information
[17:34] <gnuoy> I think its useful to say: all these interfaces are missing...
[17:34] <gnuoy> thats more that 20chars right there
[17:34] <coreycb> that is fairly limiting, 20 chars
[17:35] <coreycb> perhaps the requester will negotiate
[17:35] <tinwood> Unless it's "'mysql', 'hsm', is miss..."
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[17:36] <jamespage_shadow> okies - so I think working some examples might be useful
[17:36] <jamespage_shadow> then we can review appropriately and see what works well
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[17:36] <coreycb> jamespage, +1
[17:36] <tinwood> It sounds like we need to pull together all of the workload statuses we set, put them down somewhere, and review it?  Or is that too much?
[17:37] <coreycb> or gnuoy ^
[17:37] <gnuoy> Maybe aim for nice caps and succint message but not limit chars
[17:37] <gnuoy> coreycb, haha that was jamespage
[17:37] <coreycb> lol
[17:37] <coreycb> tinwood, I think that's a good idea
[17:38] <coreycb> at least a subset of the common messages
[17:38] <tinwood> This sounds like an action.  Who's not here today?
[17:39] <tinwood> Seriously, do we need this as a minuted action?
[17:39] <gnuoy> tinwood, I don't think so. Maybe lets all keep in mind the formatting of thos stauses
[17:39] <gnuoy> * those
[17:40] <tinwood> Can I ask where the '20' came from?
[17:40] <gnuoy> it was a suggestion floating around for people with limited terminal width
[17:40] <thedac> --format yaml FTW
[17:41] <gnuoy> haha yeah
[17:42] <tinwood> okay, so no action, but try to keep them short and snappy.  assess_status() is a repeat offender as it concatenates missing interfaces ... a lot.
[17:42] <tinwood> #topic Openstack Events
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[17:42] <tinwood> We may have covered this, but any more events?
[17:42] <gnuoy> Well ODS but I think we've covered that
[17:43] <tinwood> Ok, moving on to:
[17:43] <tinwood> #topic Open Discussion
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[17:43] <tinwood> The floor is yours.
[17:44] <gnuoy> I have nothing to openly discuss :-)
[17:44]  * tinwood chuckles
[17:44] <thedac> Do we want to discuss the email thread about hosting third party OS charms?
[17:44] <tinwood> fire away.
[17:44] <thedac> congress and charm partner charms
[17:45] <thedac> Should all charms go upstream or is there a selection criteria?
[17:45] <gnuoy> there are no 3rd party os charms
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[17:46] <jamespage_shadow> as a project, openstack charms should be embracing anyone who wants to charm their part of openstack
[17:46] <thedac> agreed. I am aksing if the charm partner SDN charms should also be in this category
[17:46] <jamespage_shadow> publication of such charms to the juju charm store is dependent on them meeting the criteria as set out by the juju charm team
[17:47] <jamespage_shadow> thedac, +1 absoluletey
[17:47] <jamespage_shadow> thedac, plumgrid already asked, onos want to be
[17:47] <jamespage_shadow> I think the model of charms-core + charms-<group>-core will work well here
[17:47] <thedac> ok, so if we could document the procedure that would be helpful
[17:47] <jamespage_shadow> sure - I'll put something in the charm-guide
[17:48] <thedac> great
[17:48] <jamespage_shadow> #action jamespage document procedure for setup of sub-charm group ownership for SDN/storage vendors etc...
[17:48] <meetingology> ACTION: jamespage document procedure for setup of sub-charm group ownership for SDN/storage vendors etc...
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[17:48] <tinwood> jamespage, beat me to it.
[17:49] <gnuoy> thanks jamespage
[17:49] <tinwood> Anything more for Open Discussion?
[17:49] <gnuoy> not from me
[17:49] <gnuoy> or from jamespage
[17:49] <thedac> I am good
[17:49] <coreycb> I'm good as well
[17:49] <tinwood> Great.
[17:50] <tinwood> #action Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[17:50] <meetingology> ACTION: Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[17:50] <tinwood> So the chair rotates; who's up for it next?
[17:50] <gnuoy> tinwood, it's in the wiki, one sec
[17:50] <gnuoy> tinwood, thedac is the winner
[17:50] <tinwood> \o/
[17:51] <tinwood> At the moment, we're assuming next Wednesday at 17.00UTC here again?
[17:51] <gnuoy> tinwood, yes, I hope its elsewhere but will post a redirect here if needs be
[17:51] <thedac> ok
[17:52] <tinwood> okay, then.  With no further ado, thanks everybody and ...
[17:52] <tinwood> #endmeeting
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[17:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul  6 17:52:12 2016 UTC.
[17:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-06-17.00.moin.txt
[17:52] <coreycb> thanks tinwood
[17:52] <gnuoy> thanks tinwood that was an epic
[17:52] <tinwood> np
[17:52] <tinwood> now I've got to work out what to do next.
[17:52] <thedac> thanks tinwood
[17:52] <gnuoy> tinwood, ha, I can help if need be :-)
[17:53] <tinwood> I'll have a go and get back to you.  thanks all!
[17:56] <cargonza> thx tinwood for chairing