[00:12] <mariogrip> mhall119: ping
[00:12] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: so GPS and Camera are the only things no working right now?
[00:12] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: opo yeah
[00:13] <ahoneybun> oh ok cool either way
[00:13] <ahoneybun> the page is missing leading though
[00:13] <ahoneybun> https://devices.ubports.com/#/bacon
[00:13] <ahoneybun> Release needs Camera
[00:14] <ahoneybun> so it should not be Active device
[00:14] <ahoneybun> *an
[00:14] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: oh, I am thinking about removing camera
[00:14] <ahoneybun> sorry if  I sound nagging
[00:15] <ahoneybun> well if you removed GPS, then sure XD
[00:15] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: no problem :D
[00:15]  * mariogrip hub ahoneybun :D
[00:15] <mariogrip> hug**
[00:15] <ahoneybun> one day hopefully it'll be more then text XD
[00:15] <ahoneybun> also we can grab beers lol
[00:16]  * ahoneybun highfives too
[00:16] <mariogrip> yeah, that would be awesome :D
[00:16] <ahoneybun> ready for the show tomorrow?
[00:16] <mariogrip> yes :D
[00:16] <mariogrip> are you going to ubucon EU?
[00:16] <ahoneybun> I should record my part lol
[00:16] <ahoneybun> no places to
[00:16] <ahoneybun> would need funds to
[00:17] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: community found maybe?
[00:17] <ahoneybun> mm maybe
[00:17] <ahoneybun> I need to take into the fact of the time zone change for work
[00:18] <mariogrip> maybe you could hide in mhall119's bag on the plane xD
[00:18] <ahoneybun> XD I would do that
[00:18] <ahoneybun> or try
[00:18] <mariogrip> :P
[00:18] <ahoneybun> when I get back to work and check out the calendar there
[00:19] <ahoneybun> I could take off monday and be there for sat and sun
[00:19] <ahoneybun> then leave
[00:19] <mariogrip> yeah
[00:20] <ahoneybun> I also want to visit Denver when I can
[00:20] <ahoneybun> visit some friends there, also System76 office
[00:20] <mariogrip> oh, that would be cool to check out System76
[00:21] <ahoneybun> yep
[00:22] <ahoneybun> also hang out with the awesome folks there
[00:22] <mariogrip> mhall119: btw, the images for fp2 will out in about 10 minutes, sorry for the delay had some blockers that delayed me
[00:22] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I wish there was a faster way to travel to usa
[00:23] <ahoneybun> either way would be nice
[00:23] <ahoneybun> mm 12hours
[00:23] <ahoneybun> alright mhall119 want to grab a room together lol
[00:24] <mariogrip> sad the the only supersonic plane did go out of service in 2003 (Concorde)
[00:24] <ahoneybun> wait
[00:24] <ahoneybun> there are no flights to that plac
[00:25] <mariogrip> to DUS?
[00:25] <ahoneybun> DUS?
[00:25] <mariogrip> Düsseldorf International Airport
[00:25] <ahoneybun> that's the next town over
[00:26] <mariogrip> that's the nearest airport, it's just 1.5 hour away
[00:26] <ahoneybun> just XD
[00:26] <mariogrip> 50 min by train
[00:26] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:26] <ahoneybun> I'd like to take the train
[00:26] <ahoneybun> that would be cool
[00:27] <mariogrip> there is also "skytrain" at the airport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2MO_lKct4
[00:27] <ahoneybun> let's not jump ahead
[00:27] <ahoneybun> I need to be approved first lol
[00:27] <ahoneybun> that's a big if
[00:27] <mariogrip> yeah
[00:28] <ahoneybun> around 900 so far for the flight
[00:29] <mariogrip> usd?
[00:30] <mariogrip> oh, that's expensive
[00:30] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[00:31] <ahoneybun> it was 1200 for Spain for Akademy
[00:31] <ahoneybun> or so
[00:32] <mariogrip> oh!
[00:34] <mariogrip> well, kinda expected when you sit in a multi billion metal object that sucks fuel :P
[00:34] <mariogrip> for over 10 hours :P
[00:35] <mariogrip> humm, wonder if the plane runs linux.... i will not fly with a plane that runs windows, what happens if bluescreen appears
[00:37] <ahoneybun> I saw the bootup on it
[00:37] <ahoneybun> my plane did
[00:37] <mariogrip> that's awesome :D
[00:37] <ahoneybun> have a pic somewhere
[00:38] <ahoneybun> https://goo.gl/photos/hERDNCddZNUWpE1C7
[00:38] <ahoneybun> there
[00:38] <mariogrip> Awesome :D no plymouth :P
[00:39] <ahoneybun> and I installed Terminal from mhall119's blog
[00:39] <mariogrip> what terminal?
[00:40] <ahoneybun> on UNity8
[00:40] <ahoneybun> on my laptop
[00:41] <mariogrip> cool :D maybe i can soon run it, i saw elgstream appeard on the mir source, didn't work last time i tried
[00:41] <mariogrip> elgstream is nvidia thing so you can run it with closed source drivers
[00:41] <ahoneybun> this laptop has Intel
[00:42] <ahoneybun> yea that support would be nice
[00:42] <ahoneybun> shift+t or something opens a new terminal tab
[00:42] <ahoneybun> nice
[00:43] <mariogrip> mine has intel to, but it's wired direly to the graphic card
[00:43] <ahoneybun> no switcher?
[00:43] <mariogrip> nope, not on this
[00:43] <ahoneybun> oh darn
[00:43] <ahoneybun> I have Intel+NVIDIA
[00:43] <ahoneybun> but it can switch
[00:43] <ahoneybun> have not tried Unity8 on there
[00:43] <ahoneybun> I have Kubuntu on there
[00:44] <mariogrip> hope Kubuntu can get mir support, that would be awesome
[00:44] <ahoneybun> nope
[00:44] <ahoneybun> we are going Wayland with KDE
[00:45] <mariogrip> oh.... i like mir better but :P
[00:45] <ahoneybun> Plasma Mobile has pushed that I imagine
[00:45] <ahoneybun> but Wayland is a community push
[00:45] <ahoneybun> Mir is just Canonical
[00:46] <mariogrip> it could be community push if people didn't ditch it since canonical made it....
[00:46] <ahoneybun> not just because Canonical made it
[00:46] <ahoneybun> it was and is pointless with Wayland already out there to work on
[00:47] <ahoneybun> double work is the problem with Linux
[00:47] <mariogrip> yeah, but that's the nature of opensource
[00:48] <mariogrip> competition is healthy
[00:48] <ahoneybun> one of the reasons we can't have a stanard desktop
[00:48] <ahoneybun> but that is a different beast
[00:48] <ahoneybun> Mir < Wayland
[00:48] <ahoneybun> GNOME and KDE are going Wayland
[00:48] <ahoneybun> but I'll stop with the bashing
[00:49] <mariogrip> meh, mir is love <3
[00:49] <mariogrip> :P
[00:49] <ahoneybun> choice is the gift of OSS
[00:50] <ahoneybun> well FLOSS
[00:50] <ahoneybun> lol
[00:50] <mariogrip> yeah :D
[00:50] <ahoneybun> mm my Caplock light does not work
[00:50] <ahoneybun> volumn slide does
[00:51] <ahoneybun> wonder if we can get fingerprint support coming to desktop
[00:51] <ahoneybun> I have a unit to test
[00:52] <mariogrip> but, what people in the linux community should stop is been "harsh" to each other. That's why i love ubuntu, eveyone loves everyone <3
[00:52] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: well, there is fingerprint support in unity7 i guess
[00:53] <ahoneybun> does not work for me
[00:53] <ahoneybun> last I checked
[00:53] <mariogrip> but the fingerprint on phone is tied to android api so
[00:53] <ahoneybun> damn
[00:54] <ahoneybun> things are running pretty smooth on here
[00:54] <mariogrip> oh... the clock is soon 3 at night here.... i might need to sleep before i fall on my desk as i have done to much times this and last week :P
[00:56] <ahoneybun> nice XD
[01:00] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: see you tomorrow at the show :D bye
[01:04] <ahoneybun> bye
[08:59] <black_puppydog> mariogrip: you said the sharing/picking problems on the n5 have something to do with apparmor. Have any good pointers where a complete beginner (with ubuntu-touch, not ubuntu itself) can start debugging that? if sharing/picking violates one of the apparmorm profiles, it should show up in a log somewhere, no?
[13:44] <dobey> ahoneybun: afaict, installing terminal should work on x86, but it's an old version that might have problems
[14:56] <javier4> guys, some times ago I cloned a phablet5 repo to use with my lollipop5.1 sources (I think it was from somebody called Ondra). Now I read inside its kernel toplevel makefile
[14:56] <javier4> VERSION = 3
[14:56] <javier4> PATCHLEVEL = 4
[14:56] <javier4> SUBLEVEL = 0
[14:56] <javier4> EXTRAVERSION =
[14:56] <javier4> NAME = Saber-toothed Squirrel
[14:56] <javier4> shouldn't it be 3.10.6?
[15:02] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: the apparmor issue is fixed on the 5.1 version that is soon gonna be pushed to our server. but dmesg and /var/log/syslog shows apparmor logs
[15:13] <ondra> javier4 depends which kernel you synced
[15:13] <ondra> javier4 mako kernel is still 3.4
[15:14] <javier4> ondra, hi man. I cloned with this command you proposed to me
[15:14] <javier4>  repo init -u ssh://w-ondra@code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com:29418/aosp/platform/manifest -b personal/w-ondra/phablet-5.1.1_r5 -g
[15:16] <ondra> javier4 well this one would not work, since you would need my ssh key :)
[15:16] <ondra> javier4 replace address with https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/aosp/platform/manifest
[15:17] <javier4> ondra, at the time it worked. :-\
[15:19] <javier4> ondra, anyway, a couple days ago I gave a simple repo sync from toplevel directory. Could it be this the cause of kernel version regression?
[15:20] <ondra> javier4 but I do not think we ever had 3.10 kernel
[15:21] <ondra> javier4 and I do not think that manifest even have kernel repo
[15:21] <ondra> javier4 do you have kernel synced at all?
[15:22] <javier4> without kernel 3.10 into the repo, how can somebody port an Android lollipop rom to ubuntu touch?
[15:25] <ondra> javier4 you have to use whatever kernel your device comes with
[15:26] <ondra> javier4 and on Nexus4 we for example use backports to get new BT functionality
[15:26] <javier4> then I have to substitute the whole kernel directory that gets cloned from your repo with my original one?
[15:32] <ondra> javier4 you can just sing it along side, or to different dir
[15:33] <ondra> javier4 and then adjust in device/... board config path to kernel, for inline kernel compilation
[15:36] <javier4> ondra, perfect. My original kernel dir is called kernel-3.10, and I think it's customized by mediatek. My device and vendor stuff are already configured to use it, and aosp rom builds fine. Normal thing to do then, is to copy the wole original kernel-3.10 dir, let its name unodified and try to build Ubuntu? This is not explained in porting guide.
[15:42] <ondra> javier4 yeah, more or less
[15:42] <ondra> javier4 I have there build scripts in the AOSP tree, to build those kernels inline, you just need to supply defconfig path and if you want to build dtb
[15:46] <javier4> are you talking about check-config?
[16:17] <black_puppydog> mariogrip: w00t, that's already fixed? so I can actually share and stuff?
[16:18] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: Jes :D
[16:19] <mariogrip> It's on the devel_rc-proposed channel
[16:20] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: http://news.softpedia.com/news/fairphone-2-and-oneplus-one-ubuntu-phones-receive-bluetooth-voice-call-support-506016.shtml
[16:25] <ondra> javier4 all should be in device boardconfig
[16:53] <ahoneybun> mm libertine is shooting python errors at me when creating containers
[16:54] <ogra_> shoot back then
[16:55] <ahoneybun> mm
[16:55] <ahoneybun> it's on a X86 machine so it might be a issue there
[16:56] <ogra_> worked here .... but thats about two months ago
[16:56] <ahoneybun> I'm working on getting the paste from it
[16:56] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/18643721/
[16:57] <ahoneybun> I might have done something wrong as well lol
[16:57] <ogra_> ah, i use a chroot ...
[16:57] <ogra_> not sure how/if the lxd setup works ... bregma could tell you i guess
[16:57] <ahoneybun> mm so it seems it made the container
[16:57] <ahoneybun> just can't start it
[17:04] <bregma> ahoneybun, you'd have to confirm with ChrisTownsend but I think that particular problem was fixed a couple of weeks ago
[17:06] <ChrisTownsend> bregma: ahoneybun: That particular traceback is fixed in the devel branch, but the real issue is why the container is not starting which the log file would help with.  That said, the fix has not been released yet.
[17:12] <ahoneybun> ChrisTownsend: alright cool
[17:12] <ahoneybun> thanks bregma and ChrisTownsend
[17:12] <ahoneybun> I just installed that ppa from phone stable then the unity8-desktop-session
[17:21] <ChrisTownsend> ahoneybun: Yeah, I plan on doing a release soon that will have this fix and after it gets shuffled through the processes, it will land in the overlay and yakkety archive.
[17:24] <ahoneybun> xenial as well?
[17:25] <ahoneybun> ChrisTownsend: if you need a tester for xenial stuff in the overlay I'm up for it
[17:26] <ChrisTownsend> ahoneybun: It will be in the overlay PPA for xenial.  And sure, test away and submit bug reports:)
[17:27] <ahoneybun> well do
[17:27] <ChrisTownsend> ahoneybun: Cool, thanks
[17:27] <ahoneybun> I need to file one for OSK
[17:28] <ahoneybun> when I have my mako connected to a monitor
[17:28] <ahoneybun> I'm wondering if we need it to come up when there is a bluetooth device connected
[17:28] <ahoneybun> I know when the user does not a device for input
[17:29] <ahoneybun> bug 1596235
[17:29] <ahoneybun> is there a way to get that into OTA 12?
[17:29] <ahoneybun> or are we at 13 at this point?
[17:57] <black_puppydog> mariogrip: you are my hero! my n5 just went from "I'm sticking with it because I really, really want ubuntu to work, but it IS painful" to "sure I use ubuntu on my phone, it does everything I need" <3
[17:58] <ahoneybun> nice!
[17:58] <mariogrip> black_puppydog: that's awesome to hear, thanks :D but, 5.1 is still a bit unstable, but i'll use this week to stabilize it
[17:58] <ahoneybun> I still need GPS and Camera
[17:59] <ahoneybun> ;)
[17:59] <ahoneybun> tbh Android Wear is kinda important to me though
[17:59] <mariogrip> n5 has that :) camera is still a bit unstable, sometimes it wont work on 5.1
[17:59] <ahoneybun> I don't have a N5
[17:59] <ahoneybun> let's see if N4 BQ channel works with GPS
[17:59] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: android wear is open source :D use the api to make it work :D
[18:00] <ahoneybun> XD your fully
[18:00] <ahoneybun> *funny
[18:00] <mariogrip> :P
[18:00] <ahoneybun> WAY above me
[18:00] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: 1 hour to the show now :D
[18:00] <ahoneybun> plus the background task thing would make it hard to work
[18:00] <ahoneybun> if not pointless
[18:00] <mariogrip> well, if you pushed it to the openstore then you can use background tasks
[18:01] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[18:01] <ahoneybun> I have it on the N4 for Dekko and others
[18:02] <mariogrip> really, ubuntu touch should be more open to background tasks.... android and ios both are more open in that way
[18:03] <ahoneybun> they say for battery
[18:04] <mariogrip> who cares for battery when the experience is not as great as ios/android
[18:04] <ahoneybun> I do
[18:04] <ahoneybun> atm my OPO is getting really bad to me
[18:04] <ahoneybun> for me anyway
[18:05] <mariogrip> well, yeah. but most people prefer listening to spotify while your phone is locked for example....
[18:06] <mariogrip> or get them notification that you got a new snap on snapchat
[18:06] <javier4> ondra, yes, in device's BoardConfig it's all set to take the right kernel sources (the original ones), I was talking about the ubuntu tool that modify original defconfig to add/modify kernel configurations needed by Ubuntu Touch.
[18:07] <ahoneybun> snapchat XD
[18:08] <ondra> javier4 yeah that is something different and you need to run in before, mind that tools is different and does not produce anymore accurate results
[18:08] <ahoneybun> Music and Email is more important
[18:08] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: well yeah, the kids today haz to have them snaps :P
[18:08] <mariogrip> it was just an example
[18:08] <EdwardMorbius> does anyone else have a problem with starting Browser on Nvidia proprietary drivers on xenial?
[18:09] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[18:09] <mariogrip> EdwardMorbius: what browser, i use chrome with proprietary driver on xenial
[18:09] <EdwardMorbius> mariogrip Ubuntu Browser
[18:09] <EdwardMorbius> other browsers work fine
[18:10] <mariogrip> EdwardMorbius: just tested the ubuntu browser and that works for me
[18:10] <ahoneybun> mm BQ channel does not work GPS
[18:10] <EdwardMorbius> mariogrip Failed to create OpenGL context for format QSurfaceFormat(version 2.0, options QFlags(), depthBufferSize 24, redBufferSize -1, greenBufferSize -1, blueBufferSize -1, alphaBufferSize -1, stencilBufferSize 8, samples -1, swapBehavior 2, swapInterval 1, profile  0)
[18:10] <EdwardMorbius> Aborted (core dumped)
[18:10] <ahoneybun> it might be since there is no SIM in there
[18:10] <ahoneybun> it has WiFi though
[18:11] <EdwardMorbius> plus a whole lot of other errors
[18:11] <mariogrip> EdwardMorbius: did you install the drivers from nvidias site or ppa?
[18:12] <EdwardMorbius> mariogrip the Nvidia PPA
[18:12] <EdwardMorbius> It also dropped this: (webbrowser-app:7065): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
[18:12] <EdwardMorbius> (webbrowser-app:7065): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
[18:12] <EdwardMorbius> (webbrowser-app:7065): dconf-CRITICAL **: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
[18:12] <EdwardMorbius> could not open containers config file  "/home/xyz/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json"
[18:14] <EdwardMorbius> Clock is also not starting with some opengl error, dekko however started when installed from ppa.
[18:14] <bregma> EdwardMorbius, it sounds like you're trying to run Mir on the binary-blob proprietary nVidia drivers?
[18:15] <EdwardMorbius> bregma I dont think so, I am running Browser under Unity 7.
[18:15] <bregma> hmm
[18:15] <mariogrip> EdwardMorbius: humm, i use the ppa too.
[18:16] <EdwardMorbius> Clock fails to start also with a opengl error
[18:16] <EdwardMorbius> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
[18:16] <EdwardMorbius> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[18:16] <EdwardMorbius> Unrecognized OpenGL version
[18:16] <EdwardMorbius> Unrecognized OpenGL version
[18:19] <EdwardMorbius> libreoffice snap works fine for example, seems unity 8 applications are not liking my gpu though dekko is functional.
[18:20] <mariogrip> EdwardMorbius: what does update-alternatives --display i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf say (terminal)
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius> mariogrip i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf - auto mode
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius>   link best version is /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius>   link currently points to /usr/lib/nvidia-367/alt_ld.so.conf
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius>   link i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf is /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i386-linux-gnu_GL.conf
[18:20] <EdwardMorbius>   slave i386-linux-gnu_xorg_extra_modules is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules
[18:21] <EdwardMorbius>   slave i386-linux-gnu_xorg_extra_modules: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/x11-extra-modules
[18:22] <mariogrip> seems ok
[18:25] <EdwardMorbius> arent newer nvidia drivers built with some kind of egl wayland/mir support? or it doesnt work yet with mir
[18:27] <dobey> afaik proprietary nvidia/amd don't work with mir. not entirely sure if the open source ones do either
[18:27] <bregma> EdwardMorbius, they're still working on Mir support, and the Wayland guys seem to want to reject what nVidia is doing
[18:28] <bregma> nouveau should work OK though
[18:28] <EdwardMorbius> bregma I think I read about that on Phoronix, they dont like something nvidia is doing with drivers but I dont remember what exactly
[18:28] <bregma> they son't like the eglstream model
[18:28] <bregma> *don't
[18:29] <EdwardMorbius> but that model is okay for mir?
[18:30] <dobey> i wonder how long until vulkan is ready
[18:32] <bregma> EdwardMorbius, i requires a different code path for nVidia vs. everyone else, and because it's all about buffer control and sequencing, that means a lot of work
[18:32] <bregma> also, there are social issue involved
[18:33] <Flohack> Hi there!
[18:34] <Flohack> I would like to start working on a backup/restore solution for touch
[18:34] <EdwardMorbius> bregma I see. I hope it ends up well in the end
[18:34] <Flohack> Since I had issues with my display, and suddenly found out I got no backup of my contacts
[18:34] <Flohack> I started a vote here: https://uappexplorer.com/wishlist/577d175a7d52931400b9a682
[18:35] <Flohack> Looking forward to people voting for it ;)
[18:35] <bregma> EdwardMorbius, I imagine both sides in the Wayland/nVidia debacle will compromise in the end, since everyone wants it to work
[18:37] <bregma> they're all smart people with good intentions, just not all the same good intentions
[18:39] <EdwardMorbius> bregma hopefully they will resolve it fast so linux can move ahead with all the new things users are excited about
[18:40] <bregma> things move too fast until the move too slow
[18:41] <EdwardMorbius> good thing most linux users are patient :))
[18:44] <mterry> Flohack, I think charles was looking at a backup solution?
[18:44] <Flohack> Really? I did find not much on Google about any ideas
[18:44] <Flohack> Would be glad to help
[18:46] <charles> flohack, it's a pretty new project, probably not much on Google yet
[18:46] <Flohack> Cool, I am open to help if I can. I really think that this is essential to get user acceptance
[18:47] <Flohack> to get more user acceptance ;)
[18:47] <charles> flohack, xavigarcia and I are working on it right now, first phase will be a manual backup/restore for contacts/sms/mail/etc + multimedia from touch to a cloud, eg mCloud or dropbox
[18:47] <Flohack> Exactly!
[18:47] <Flohack> That´s good
[18:48] <charles> Flohack, the project is keeper and it's in launchpad right now @ lp:keeper, but it relies on a new package named storage-framework that is still a private package. That should be changing RSN
[18:48] <Flohack> Oki. Let me take a look
[18:50] <Flohack> Hm ok, as soon as there is a public version available let me know ;)
[18:50] <charles> Flohack, just to be clear -- this isn't doing much yet, wouldn't be useful even if storage-framework was packaged
[18:51] <Flohack> Sure, but I am in general interested to get more involved in touch programming, so first step I think would be to hang on with a project which is still small ;)
[18:51] <charles> Flohack, my expectation is that it would at least be buildable in a couple of weeks, and usable for mCloud in a month
[18:52] <Flohack> Oki - I would also try to add owncloud support then
[18:52] <charles> Flohack, the basic idea is that Keeper will farm out the task backing up / restoring $thing by invoking a helper. There will be standard helpers eg for simple directories, so backing up XDG user dirs can be handled by that
[18:53] <charles> Flohack, this way 3rd party apps could provide their own helpers if they have custom needs
[18:53] <Flohack> mhm.. So also mayb just to the SD card?
[18:53] <charles> Flohack, so the Keeper service just processes these binary blobs, doesn't know what's in them, just indexes the metainfo and passes it along to storage-framework for cloud storage
[18:54] <charles> the helpers could even encrypt the data themselves before passing it to the Keeper service, if it doesn't want to trust /anyone/ :-)
[18:55] <Flohack> Ok wrong thing mentioned, helper will be for aggregation. understood. So storage-framework will be the point where to customize for diffeerent targets?
[18:55] <charles> Flohack, storage-framework currently has a POC to write to the local filesystem, you could use that to write to an sd card
[18:55] <charles> Flohack, if by targets you mean cloud providers, eg dropbox, spideroak, owncloud -- yes, you've got it
[18:55] <Flohack> Because, even if there is no cloud, SD card backup would have already helped me
[18:56] <Flohack> Luckily my screen started to work again ;)
[18:56] <Flohack> 4 days of drying it
[18:56] <charles> lucky you. Mine never come back :(
[18:56] <Flohack> It got wet from the rain in my pocket.
[18:57] <charles> Flohack, so, ping back in a couple of weeks, or if you see storage-framework go public before that
[18:57] <Flohack> When driving with my bike
[18:57] <Flohack> Oki I will
[18:57] <Flohack> Does lp not offer any subscriptions for project changes?
[18:57] <charles> Flohack, I am not positive but I /think/ the priority there is mCloud and then dropbox, so if you wanted to write an owncloud backend you would not be conflicting with anyone's work
[18:58] <Flohack> cool
[18:59] <Flohack> Are you then planning to make automatic backups possible?
[18:59] <Flohack> And here the question, how much does touch support background tasks for that?
[19:01] <charles> Flohack, yes automatic backups are planned to come after the first iteration
[19:01] <Flohack> Oki nice
[19:01] <Flohack> This for sure is an important milestone towards consumer
[19:01] <charles> One of the "really important features but can't make the 1.0 deadline with it" :-)
[19:02] <Flohack> hehe
[19:02] <Flohack> Then 3rd iteration, incremental :P
[19:09] <dobey> Flohack: backup would be a system service, and apps would register with it to provide their data to the backup service. apps themselves can't perform any extra background processing
[19:09] <Flohack> Oki understood
[19:20] <Flohack> Thanks guys, I will check back on lp after my holiday, starting on Sat ;)
[19:20] <Flohack> Have a nice eve
[19:54] <mariogrip> mhall119: did you get the new images for fp2?
[20:19] <mhall119> mariogrip: not yet, been occupied withother things
[23:33] <howdoIswype> o/
[23:35] <howdoIswype> A friend of mine recently had shoulder surgery, and I'm looking to stitch together some kind of one-handed text entry. It would be magical if there was a swype-like Touch app that would run on Desktop (I can handle a recompile), but I can't seem to get my claws in. Any thoughts?