[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:43] <nacc> it's like pulling teeth with maddawg2 to get the details
[15:45] <daftykins> that definitely rings a bell as to one of the more trying best-ignored users
[21:31] <tgm4883> "I know I did something I shouldn't have so don't bother telling me that, just tell me how to fix it"
[21:33] <nacc> tgm4883: yep, i stopped trying to help them :/
[21:33] <daftykins> :D
[21:33] <daftykins> what did this person do?
[21:33] <tgm4883> "hello I was trying to upgrade from 14.04 to 15.10 (don't lecture me please) and the upgrade was interrupted.  Now I cannot boot into any OS.  However, I can get into grub and a command prompt.  This is a lenovo laptop."
[21:34]  * daftykins chuckles
[21:35] <DArqueBishop> My official advice would probably be, "Use a live CD to back up your data, and rebuild from scratch."
[21:36] <nacc> DArqueBishop: absolutely
[21:36] <nacc> esp. given 15.10 goes eol in < 1 month
[21:36] <Bashing-om> Panicing, and dread has bad bad side effects .. ignoance we can address .. stupidity I let go ! Just can not fix stupidity .
[21:36] <nacc> and who knows what actually works on that upgrade path
[21:36] <daftykins> mmm and that direct upgrade must've been achieved through a very bad move
[21:36] <daftykins> Bashing-om: well said :)
[21:37] <nacc> daftykins: i assume as much (-d flag to various tools, i think)
[21:38] <daftykins> or even worse, sources edits D:
[21:38] <nacc> yeah :/
[21:39] <dax> and yet people still randomly come out with "but i just change sources.list every time and it works fine!"
[21:39] <dax> makes me facepalm
[21:40] <tgm4883> nacc: I don't think the -d would do that
[21:40] <daftykins> nah -d would more likely be thinking of 16.10 right now
[21:40]  * tgm4883 bets on the sources.list change
[21:40] <daftykins> dax: heh yeah, gotta love the anecdotals
[21:40] <daftykins> i don't even believe in upgrades of any kind
[21:40] <dax> as i understand it, -d would take you to x or y, not w
[21:41] <nacc> tgm4883: i don't think so either, but that's what he claimed
[21:41] <nacc> tgm4883: it might have been one of the GUI tools
[21:41] <nacc> as opposed to -d explicitly
[21:41] <tgm4883> nacc: pardon me if I don't believe the guy that says "Don't lecture me on not doing the bad things that I did"
[21:41] <daftykins> :D
[21:41] <nacc> tgm4883: :)
[21:42] <daftykins> there's a certain level of <insert your choice of word here> user that reads enough to know not to do it, then does it
[21:42] <dax> "knows enough to be dangerous"
[21:43] <tgm4883> If you want to blow up your system, that's fine with me (and a good way to learn things), but don't bother the channel with that
[21:46] <DArqueBishop> Personally, I'm of the mindset that if a system is THAT important, I'm upgrading via backing up data and installing a fresh system anyway.
[21:47] <nacc> DArqueBishop: well, right, they went from LTS to an arbitrary development release because (iirc) 'some things weren't working'
[21:47] <Bashing-om> I will say I learned the most breaking/fixing my system(s). I have progressed to now to the point I no longer break it !
[21:47] <daftykins> i do that for all systems, upgrades aren't worth the hope and pray
[21:48] <nacc> DArqueBishop: which to me means it can't be that important of a system :)
[21:48] <daftykins> guy about to play tetris blindfolded: www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
[21:48] <DArqueBishop> nacc: sounded more like a "I didn't realize how important this system was" system. ;-)
[21:49] <tgm4883> reminds me of backups
[21:49] <tgm4883> If you don't have 3 copies on 2 different types of media in more than 1 location, then your data isn't important
[21:50] <DArqueBishop> tgm4883: right.
[21:50]  * DArqueBishop has both local and offsite copies of his backups for his servers.
[21:50]  * nacc just doesn't have that much important stuff :)
[21:50] <DArqueBishop> nacc: I'm anal, plus my dad's business lives and dies off my mail server.
[21:51] <nacc> DArqueBishop: wasn't meant as a critique, more just a genuine realization i basically have nothing on my machine(s) i can't recreate easily anymore
[21:52] <DArqueBishop> nacc: I didn't take it as such. :-)
[21:54] <Bashing-om> As above, I broke it enough to learn to keep backups ! .. Yes I do have as tgm4883 says . Practice, I can re-install in 20 minutes !
[22:17] <daftykins> !info linux-generic xenial
[22:18] <daftykins> !info linux-image-generic xenial
[22:18] <daftykins> i thought it had newer than 4.4 o0
[23:17] <Bashing-om> Whoda thunk it - this quick - jon5000 onward and upward to 16.04 .
[23:18] <nacc> daftykins: nah, 4.4. in xenial, 4.7/4.8 in yakkety
[23:18] <nacc> daftykins: so 16.04.1 hwe will get that stack too, iiuc
[23:19] <nacc> but i'm not sure they've published the first yakkety kernels yet (meaning it's still in sync with xenial)
[23:21] <daftykins> all the cool kids never touch non-LTS ;)
[23:24] <nacc> daftykins: :)