[00:03] <diddledan> @swiftkey just tweeted a rather risqué picture
[00:03] <daftykins> o0
[00:03] <daftykins> another high profile 'hack' ?
[00:04]  * diddledan /msgs daftykins the link to retain family friendliness
[00:05] <m0nkey_> lol
[00:06] <daftykins> yeah that was... wholly wrong
[00:06] <diddledan> lol
[00:07] <daftykins> of all the things pertaining to emoji, how would you pick that set and not smileys? XD
[01:03] <diddledan> around 30 minutes till launch https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
[06:48] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <imexil> Morning. I got a short question regarding python on Ubuntu 16.04. I keep hearing that Python 3 is the default. But on my machine this is simply not the case and it also seems to straight forward to get python 3 setup to be the default. That is without mocking about with changing symlinks which I don't think is the proper way. So what is the issue with Python3 NOT being the default on my macine? Any one got some indicator?
[07:04] <imexil> ^ I wanted to say that it is NOT straight forward to get Python 3 to the default
[07:49] <popey> morning
[08:14] <davmor2> Morning all you funksters
[08:39] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I misread that by one letter.
[08:39]  * TwistedLucidity was up far too early
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy THursday, and happy Chocolate Day! 😃  🍫
[08:48] <corenominal> Chocolate Day?! Really? Best day evar!
[08:49] <popey> hah
[08:49] <popey> you woke the corenominal
[08:49] <corenominal> :)
[08:49]  * popey lays a trail of chocolate back to corenominals bed
[08:51]  * corenominal Zzzzz
[09:09] <JamesTait> corenominal? Did you get lost? 😝
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: the obvious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qp6XhtoEv0 and then the not so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjAXX2n6_5Q
[09:19] <davmor2> JamesTait: not that I've been waiting for Chocolate Day to pull that one out at all you must understand :D
[09:28] <corenominal> JamesTait: I did, but I managed to find my way back :)
[09:31] <JamesTait> corenominal, well played, sir!
[09:32] <corenominal> thank you
[09:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, you too - 4 Non Blondes!
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: you have spotify to thank I wanted what's up for the morning head song list and that was in the playlist for that :)
[09:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: this is my current favourite though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
[09:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: I kinda want him to do a rendition of stairway to heaven now though :) don't know why but I think it would be awesome
[09:41] <JamesTait> davmor2, wow! Hard to believe that's the same Disturbed who did https://youtu.be/09LTT0xwdfw
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: yeah but look at metalica they do some amazing ballads and then a lot that most definitely aren't :D
[09:44] <JamesTait> davmor2, you read my mind. 😉
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: tonally they are very similar to me
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> Disturbed do good enough covers, their own material tends to be rather lacklustre IMHO
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> Another decent cover: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4oYkIeGJc
[09:52] <JamesTait> TwistedLucidity, not bad at all. ☺
[09:57] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I think lacklustre is a bit harsh, I think they are a good band rather than a great band, another good band is the verve they had a couple of stratospheric songs then seemed to vanish but the rest of their music is okay it's just not great
[09:58] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: Good bands tend to have moments of brilliance and then everything else goes back to good again
[09:58] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Maybe just not to my taste then (although I quite like rock/metal). The one I keep hearing after "Sound of Silence" is "The Light". Urgh.
[10:00] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: yeah as I say it's okay it's not bad it's not good, I prefer down with sickness and a few others they're slightly heavier and faster paced
[10:02] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: this is why they are a good band not a great one they are having to fill and album rather than having too many songs and having to drop some is how it seems,  It's like we have these 4 great songs lets make an album and then the other 8 are just fillers to make up the album
[10:03] <davmor2> oh and popey look modern music :P
[10:04] <davmor2> popey: admittedly it sounds like it is from the 80's but meh can't have everything :D
[10:08] <popey> hmm?
[10:08] <popey> I am currently listening to a playlist of very varied music
[10:08] <popey> thanks to aq and willcooke
[10:09] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcaie4S7t_Q0IAHu8nnIspUQcwoVKecFu
[10:09] <popey> http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc see :)
[10:10] <willcooke> \o/
[10:22] <davmor2> nespresso capsules have arrived god that's a nice cup of coffee :)
[10:24] <TwistedLucidity> Never tried them, have filter and espresso machines downstairs.
[10:25] <davmor2> 1st world problems my Ubuntu mug doesn't fit under it easily
[10:25] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:26] <popey> Good call!
[10:26]  * popey gets cappucino from his machine
[10:26] <popey> while things compile
[10:26] <popey>  😃
[10:28]  * TwistedLucidity ponders mentioning Nestle and third world problems; decides not to
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> Oops
[10:28] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: that's what I had the linizio Lungo it's a tiny capsule for a filter blend but it was more to try out the machine
[10:28] <TwistedLucidity> popey: https://www.xkcd.com/303/
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Can one get generic pods for the Nespresso, or is it DRM'd like some others?
[10:29] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: the machine isn't nestle the first pods were but that was mostly to test the machine there are a whole heap of fair trade etc coffees out there that do pods
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, neato
[10:30] <TwistedLucidity> Annoys me when I can't get the hold of fairtrade (or equivalent) stuff.
[10:30] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://www.realcoffee.com/?gclid=CMLim9-S4c0CFRFmGwodJBIJdg you can also get refills and put your own coffee in
[10:31] <TwistedLucidity> Suh-weet!
[10:32] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2057872.m570.l1311.R1.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xrefillable+nes.TRS0&_nkw=refillable+nespresso+capsules&_sacat=0
[10:33] <TwistedLucidity> Don't have a pod machine and don't have the room in the kitchen for one
[10:34] <TwistedLucidity> G/Fs parents do though, I'll have to pass this on
[10:34] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I got the machine from aldi £50 but it got 8* from two different test sites, only issue is the noise from the pump which I can confirm is quite loud but it is only on for a few seconds so :)
[10:35] <TwistedLucidity> Aldi/Lidl do some good stuff
[10:35] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: this machine is thin and long
[10:36] <TwistedLucidity> We have no room in the kitchen. Seriously. The person who designed it was a fool. If it wasn't new, we'd have torn it out and replaced it.
[10:36] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: no much wider than a mug and is about a foot long
[10:38] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: http://www.thetestpit.com/2016/02/review-aldi-coffee-specialbuy-range.html
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> Does it come with a new kitchen? Because if it doesn't, we have no where to put it
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> Roll on the new house and a sane kitchen layout.
[10:41] <TwistedLucidity> It's a large enough room, but it is as if someone set out to make the more useless work surfaces possible.
[10:42] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it need a plug not a kitchen you could have it anywhere :P
[10:42]  * TwistedLucidity looks around office
[10:43] <Myrtti> ♥ Moka-pot ♥
[10:45] <davmor2> Myrtti: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/222039860097?lpid=122&chn=ps&googleloc=1007249&poi=&campaignid=207297426&device=c&adgroupid=13585920426&rlsatarget=pla-142405561986&adtype=pla&crdt=0
[10:46] <Myrtti> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bialetti-Moka-Express-6-Cup-stove-top-coffee-maker-SALE-/272266795032?hash=item3f645d9818:g:uYAAAOSwKIpV-1Ku
[10:49] <popey> TwistedLucidity: mine isn't a nespresso
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Never said it was.
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: you have a tassimo
[10:53] <popey> never mind
[11:16] <awilkins> Pod coffee, boooo
[11:16] <awilkins> Aeropress 4tw
[11:17] <awilkins> I tried coldbrew, but a bit too much like rocketfuel for me
[11:28] <davmor2> awilkins: the nespresso is basically just filter coffee / espresso without the mess really nice coffee to be fair, the others are a bit hit and miss
[14:58] <directhex> one of the big gaps between nespresso & other pod systems is the water pressure
[14:58] <directhex> it's also pretty telling that nespresso just does coffee, whereas tassimo & dolce gusto are happy to pump hot chocolate, tea, and lattes with built-in powdered milk through the same spout
[14:59] <zmoylan-pi> some version down the road will also be an ink jet printer... :-)
[15:02]  * popey hugs his dolce gusto
[15:03] <directhex> in theory, dolce gusto is nestle's budget brand, and nespresso is their premium brand. but in the UK there's very little price delta between both systems
[15:04] <directhex> oh, official nespresso pods are online only, only knock-offs sold in stores. tassimo/dg is *everywhere*
[15:14] <popey> yeah, even the local co-op have dg
[15:16] <daftykins> good afternoon!
[15:17] <daftykins> i've got a nespresso but don't really feel all that inclined to have such a small volume drink so often
[15:32] <davmor2> daftykins: you can get them from the nespresso stores of which there are 6 in London and 3 for the rest of the country
[15:33] <davmor2> it is very nice coffee though :)
[15:36] <daftykins> heh, yeah all the recycling centers are in England too
[15:36] <daftykins> so very far out of my reach ;)
[15:43] <davmor2> daftykins: however you can get refillable pods for the nespresso :)
[15:43] <daftykins> i would never have the patience for that :D
[16:54] <davmor2> popey: say it aint so, say you know starwars
[17:42] <diddledan> who's knowledgeable about intel cpus these days? skylake i5 vs i7. I'm wondering if the extra moola is worth it to get an i7 vs an i5
[17:55] <diddledan> well these benchmarks suggest the two I'm looking at are very similar in performance: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600K
[17:55] <diddledan> so I would think getting the cheaper i5 would be better
[17:56] <diddledan> the only difference I can see is hyperthreading in the i7 which the i5 doesn't have?
[18:01] <daftykins> yip
[18:01] <daftykins> double check any virt tech stuff too, but i'm pretty sure they're the same
[18:01] <daftykins> i actually went i7 6600 non-K, as overclocking is a waste of time - you also have to buy a heatsink with the K
[18:01] <daftykins> not sure if you do with the i5 K too, might wanna check
[18:04] <diddledan> where's your preferred place for buying puter bits? I might check amazon for their prime delivery
[18:13] <diddledan> oops :-p
[18:13] <diddledan> I went with amazon
[18:14] <diddledan> I mean, I saved my pocket money and put it under my bed for a rainy day
[18:15] <diddledan> I accidentally clicked on the i7 6700
[18:15] <diddledan> (non-k)
[18:15] <diddledan> and this mobo http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5480#ov
[18:18] <davmor2> diddledan: the rule of thumb is always buy the biggest and best you can afford at the time as it is most likely already out of date but it will at least be supported for the foreseeable future :)
[18:19] <ali1234> Z170 is an overclocker motherboard you nkow
[18:20] <ali1234> i7 is worth it if you are a developer
[18:20] <ali1234> overclocking not so much
[18:20] <ali1234> you could get a H170 motherboard instead, for slightly cheaper
[18:20] <diddledan> oh well, it's ordered now :-p
[18:20] <ali1234> i actually just upgraded last week so i was reading all about this
[18:20] <ali1234> the stuff i bought has already gone up nearly 10% in price since i bought it
[18:21] <diddledan> brexit shenanigans?
[18:21] <ali1234> i actually got the 6700 and a Z170 motherboard
[18:21] <ali1234> but i chose a specific motherboard for it's features
[18:21] <ali1234> and known linux support
[18:22] <ali1234> then one of my SSDs failed so I RMA'd it... so i'm getting an upgrade to an MX200 for free
[18:23] <ali1234> RAM has gone up 25% since last week, lol
[18:23] <diddledan> I went for 32GB of DDR4
[18:23] <ali1234> i paid £101, now it costs £124
[18:23] <ali1234> me too
[18:23] <ali1234> 2x16GB
[18:24] <diddledan> aah I chose four modules. I don't know there's much difference though
[18:24] <ali1234> there isn't
[18:24] <ali1234> and 64GB is the max for skylake
[18:24] <diddledan> two modules would mean another two can be added
[18:25] <ali1234> i'll probably get another two in a year or so
[18:51] <foobarry> anyone nr NW London who likes sci fi want to earn money for talking about sci fi books?
[19:14] <diddledan> emoji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSuVrxxdAi0
[19:17] <diddledan> haha. 80s porn still on an old mac: http://gizmodo.com/redditor-gets-old-macintosh-from-craigslist-finds-weir-1783272623?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
[19:17] <diddledan> ffs link
[19:37] <daftykins> that can't be family friendly!
[19:38] <diddledan> wow, egypt have just stuck their middle-finger up at the time-keeping community: https://twitter.com/DrDanielASmith/status/750310070609649664
[19:39] <diddledan> I wonder how long it'll take for updates to filter through into operating systems
[19:45] <m0nkey_> why is mdadm read/write access so slow?
[19:46] <m0nkey_> Any tips to boost it's performance
[19:47] <daftykins> config details?
[19:47] <m0nkey_> just a basic mirror
[19:47] <m0nkey_> two drives
[19:48] <daftykins> what're you seeing?
[19:48] <m0nkey_> used this command: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=mirror --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc
[19:49] <m0nkey_> just very poor write speeds
[19:49] <m0nkey_> reads are no problem
[19:49] <daftykins> stats?
[19:51] <m0nkey_> it's resyncing right now, but before i blew it away and rebuilt it was very slow.
[19:51] <m0nkey_> i expect it to be slow now
[19:51] <m0nkey_> but i know once it's built, it'll still be slow
[19:54] <m0nkey_> OK, resync right now is going around 100000K/sec.. about ~95MB/sec
[19:54] <m0nkey_> so that looks normal
[19:54] <m0nkey_> but once it's built.. speeds are crappy down to 2-3MB/sec
[19:54] <diddledan> wow
[19:54] <daftykins> nasty, distro, kernel and file system? also age of these disks?
[19:54] <diddledan> that's serious degradation if it can sync at 95MB
[19:55] <diddledan> daftykins: don't you dare!
[19:55] <diddledan> daftykins: do NOT touch them!
[19:55]  * daftykins licks his lips
[19:55]  * diddledan mutters angrily about the hand of death
[19:55] <diddledan> diskdeath*
[19:55] <m0nkey_> It's a CentOS 6.8 box, because KVM.
[19:55] <diddledan> KVM! \o/
[19:56]  * daftykins points to the door :D
[19:56] <diddledan> kvm works on boobtoo
[19:56] <daftykins> seriously though, the folks in a CentOS channel would surely know of some quirks
[19:56] <diddledan> I get the impression it's unrelated to the distro though
[19:57] <m0nkey_> I tested with ZFS vdev mirrror, they work fine
[19:57] <m0nkey_> good write speeds
[19:57] <m0nkey_> even better when I set-up a SSD as a slog
[19:57] <m0nkey_> and why is hexchat complaining that all my spelling is wrong
[19:57] <m0nkey_> brb
[19:58] <m0nkey_> Think my spelling plugin creapped out.
[19:58] <diddledan> hmm.. if ZFS works then that suggests the speed is specific to mdraid or the filesystem
[19:58] <m0nkey_> *crapped
[19:58] <m0nkey_> it's a ext4 filesystem
[19:58] <diddledan> you could butter it :-p
[19:58] <m0nkey_> old-ish kernel.. 2.6.32 .. again, KVM :)
[19:58] <diddledan> heh
[19:58] <m0nkey_> want this box to be stable
[19:59] <m0nkey_> unless there's a more up to date kernel for centos
[19:59] <diddledan> centos 7 would have a more recent kernel
[20:00] <m0nkey_> yeah, i could use centos 7
[20:01] <m0nkey_> i've always gone centos 6 because it's always just worked for kvm
[20:04] <m0nkey_> After installing CentOS7, would you recommend rebuilding the mdadm array?
[20:09] <daftykins> nuke it from orbit.
[20:09] <daftykins> surely you could boot live media of theirs to test, though?
[20:10] <daftykins> no need to reinstall fully just to find out
[20:17] <m0nkey_> it's a fairly new box, no vms on it yet
[20:19] <daftykins> more thinking the RAID could be tested in a live sesh
[20:49] <diddledan> popey: oh that's nice of virgin - you're talking with support who tell you to talk to support?
[20:50] <popey> :)
[20:50] <popey> also, see other woman who tweeted me with same issue
[20:50] <diddledan> popey: I'm seeing a LOT of packet loss after birmingham
[20:50] <popey> so it's not my cconnection
[20:50] <diddledan> let me screenie for you
[20:51] <popey> my first tweet to them had a screenie of mtr
[20:51] <popey> ignored
[20:51] <diddledan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/vhrac0d8q0x61x5/Screenshot%202016-07-07%2021.51.14.png?dl=0
[20:53] <daftykins> this file is being uploaded o0
[20:56]  * popey phones them
[20:58] <diddledan> there we go, my screenie finally uploaded
[20:59] <apt-get-moo> did you install mtr via brew?
[20:59] <daftykins> it's default.
[20:59] <daftykins> oh yeah, dirty mac :)
[21:00] <daftykins> diddledan: funky subnet!
[21:07] <diddledan> yes I used homebrew to get mtr
[21:43] <daftykins> diddledan: was there any retraction of that iffy swiftkey tweet from last night?
[21:43] <diddledan> I didn’t notice
[22:29] <diddledan> microsoft is getting random: https://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Manifoldjs/Manifoldjs-Bring-Your-Own-Platform
[22:44] <zmoylan-pi> gotta convince the kids how cool and with it ms are
[22:45] <daftykins> they really ought to stop trying :)
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> they could allow linux on the xbox...
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> that would show sony... :-P
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> and show how much they love linux
[22:51] <daftykins> :)
[23:48] <diddledan> I think my windows 10 is knackered
[23:49] <daftykins> howzat?
[23:49] <diddledan> it’s stuck having downloaded today’s new insider build and done a couple reboots it’s now sitting with black screen and the spinny white “loading” dots
[23:49] <daftykins> and getting nowhere?
[23:49] <diddledan> no evidence
[23:49] <diddledan> the only thing visible is spinning dots
[23:49] <daftykins> :D
[23:49] <diddledan> no progress bar or readout
[23:49] <daftykins> no harm in hitting reset
[23:50] <diddledan> done that several times
[23:50] <daftykins> oh dear! you might have to throw on the newest one you can download from media
[23:52] <diddledan> wiggling the mouse reveals the pointer. so now I have spinny dots and a pointer. the rest is completely black
[23:52] <daftykins> uninstalling SQL server 2008 from an old server 2003 R2 x64 box, "setup is processing"
[23:52] <daftykins> "7 actions have been completed successfully"
[23:52] <daftykins> all i did was run the uninstaller XD