[00:21] <Saitoh183_> Hello
[00:23] <Saitoh183_> I'm trying ton install mate 16.04 via USB and it seems to be hanging at preparing to install Ubuntu. When i load live cd it works great and fast but even from there if I start install, it just spins and i see the HDD light working but nothing is happening
[00:24] <Saitoh183_> 64bit btw.. Ssd is unallocated space
[00:25] <Saitoh183_> I even recreated the USB drive with Lili
[00:26] <Saitoh183_> Could it be my AMD 5450 graphic card that could be the issue?
[00:39] <nomic> maybe
[00:39] <nomic> its most commonly, a complete failure, a graphic card --  is the amd 5450 old/uncommon?  sounds old
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> It's a few years now
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> Like 4 or 5
[00:40] <Saitoh183_> I would think
[00:40] <nomic> thats not old
[00:41] <nomic> log message on ubuntu/mate forums
[00:41] <nomic> also ask in #ubuntu - this place isn't busy or its early morning
[00:41] <nomic> #ubuntu always has 1800 people in it
[00:41] <Saitoh183_> How do I get to logs
[00:41] <nomic> forums?
[00:41] <nomic> dmesg?
[00:41] <nomic> dmesg = log
[00:41] <nomic> command
[00:42] <Saitoh183_> Yeah.. But the thing is that I can't seem to get a cmd window open
[00:42] <Saitoh183_> To see what the installation is doing
[00:42] <nomic> read this
[00:42] <nomic> I believe flgrx is common
[00:42] <nomic> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-drops-amd-catalyst-fglrx-driver-16-04
[00:42] <nomic> Let’s say you use the fglrx driver on Ubuntu 15.10, and that you plan to upgrade to Ubuntu 16.04 next month.
[00:43] <nomic> i recall there being options for supported unsupporte radeon driver
[00:43] <nomic> but you're not getting past install
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> And this is a fresh install
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> There is no previous os
[00:44] <nomic> "To top it all off Canonical say: “AMD won’t support fglrx on 16.04, period”, and Canonical has no desire to take over the duties "
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> I can remove the card
[00:44] <nomic> previous os don't affect anything -- new install/run - that is gone
[00:44] <nomic> try with another card
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> It's not necessaey
[00:44] <nomic> success- the card is issue
[00:44] <Saitoh183_> I will
[00:45] <nomic> check the ram/ seating
[00:45] <nomic> also check the ventilation
[00:45] <Saitoh183_> Try with the onboard
[00:45] <nomic> have had install failures because of overheat -- 1 thing that happens ,, the graphics (radeon) card will run hot until it gets the driver
[00:45] <nomic> had to cool the pc until I got the flgrx driver installed
[00:45] <nomic> the correct driver
[00:46] <nomic> look on forums, see whats going on
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> That is all good since I can run live media and 15.04 boots just fine when I plug it in(is on another ssd)
[00:46] <nomic> easy to whip the card out, try
[00:46] <lighting> hey
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> Hi
[00:46] <nomic> could be a problem with your usb media
[00:46] <Saitoh183_> Well i will try that first since it is the easiest
[00:46] <nomic> i aint in favor (here) of installing usb anymore -- have gone back to dvd (rare occasion I install)
[00:46] <lighting> anyone able to help me get wine working v16.02
[00:47] <Saitoh183_> I don't have a drive
[00:47] <nomic> wine is a general issue -- you may get better answers off the busier #ubuntu channel
[00:47] <nomic> = 17x busier than here
[00:47]  * nomic has never used it
[00:48] <nomic> would reckon its 100% DOS @ least, emulation, by now
[00:48] <Saitoh183_> If a older flavor like 14.04 gets passed the setup, maybe it's my ISO?
[00:49] <Saitoh183_> What bothers me is that live media works of the USB just fine
[00:49] <nomic> would try 1. graphics card 2. maybe cut the iso to a dvd, if you've got one -- but that's just my opinion,  here, have been running with small, old usb drives
[00:49] <nomic> thing is -- you look at unetbootln, to write iso to usb drive, there are a zillion options for the header
[00:50] <nomic> writing to a DVD, there is none of that
[00:50] <nomic> usb formatting is more complex
[00:50] <Saitoh183_> I used Lili
[00:50] <nomic> lots of options for the header, which means it can be wrong
[00:50] <Saitoh183_> That's what I had used for 15.04 and it had worked
[00:50]  * nomic just uses nautilus to pick up the iso file, right click = standard write to a DVD
[00:51] <nomic> if you get 15.04 onto your system you can run distribution upgrade
[00:51] <Saitoh183_> I don't have a optical drive
[00:51] <nomic> downloads the files, reboots into 16.04
[00:51] <nomic> ok
[00:51] <nomic> theres an option .. 'upgrade' -- but why would that change the situation with the graphics driver (if that is the problem)
[00:52] <Saitoh183_> I have 15.04 on another ssd.. Basically I removed my ssd 15.04 and put in a blank drive to start fresh... Having performance issues withy 15.04 after updating from 14.10 so that's why I was starting fresh
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> And my 15.04 is a bit of aess
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> Mess
[00:53] <Saitoh183_> I'm a newb to nix so I did alot of tinkering
[01:21] <barry_> is it easy enough to remove the gui. I just want a terminal interface ubuntu style server
[01:34] <nomic> server version
[01:34] <nomic> there are server versions of ubuntu
[01:34] <nomic> gui-less
[01:34] <nomic> barry_,
[01:35] <barry_> cheers
[01:37] <barry_> just wondering if there is an Arm64 compatible with pine64 though... I'll download and install it on a secondary microSD I guess.
[01:52] <Saitoh183_> Figured it out
[01:53] <Saitoh183_> The new ssd had no Partition table
[02:10] <nomic> thought it auto creats partition
[02:10] <nomic> 'use entire disk' option
[02:17] <stephen_> hey
[02:18] <stephen_> who is on raspberry pi
[04:02] <ubuntu-mate> Hi I am trying to duel boot windows 10 and ubuntu 16.04 but after I install ubuntu grub boot loader don't show up and my computer boots into windows. Right now I am booted into the ubuntu live dvd please help.
[04:17] <randall> 1. install windows 10 first, 2. install ubuntu 16.04 along side windows 10, if it's the same hdd, 3. if you're useing 2 hdds use your bios or uefi to give ubuntu hdd the priority, 4. update-grub
[04:18] <Eremiell> I just drop grub on the windows drive, works as well
[04:24] <randall> even if all I had was windows, I'd rather boot with grub
[06:36] <Omid> help
[10:31] <lapideviridi> ouroumov, hey, it's me with the weird caja 90's look. The problem suddenly resolved itself. Again, I have no idea what triggered this. Just bootet it up and saw that everything was correct again.
[12:39] <ubuntu-mate> Hello
[13:03] <linda_> hi everyone,totally new to this, when trying to input information in the terminal. it then asks for a password and presents a flashing cursor, but at this point I am unable to enter anything via the keyboard? any ideas?
[13:04] <linda_> sorry small update, I am attempting to install my brother printer drivers
[13:28] <ericb2> linda_, not sure, but when entering a password, the terminal is in -echo mode, means no echo about what you typed (no **** e.g. ). If things work as expected, just enter the correct password, and type "enter". Should work
[13:29] <ericb2> else, maybe we need more information
[14:06] <alien_> hello
[17:37] <lapideviridi> Does anyone know how I get KDE Connect to work on Mate? I installed it on both my desktop and my mobile, but only the notification appear.
[17:37] <lapideviridi> For instance, how do I display my phones battery or open the file system?
[17:38] <lapideviridi> Do I actually have to use KDE?
[17:38] <lostatwork> considering KDE connect is designed for KDE you may not get the desired results you are looking for
[17:39] <lapideviridi> lostatwork, I found it in the software boutique, so I hoped it would mostly work with mate.
[17:45] <Akuli> you may need to install some additional kde stuff to get it to work
[17:45] <Akuli> but it should run just fine
[17:51] <lapideviridi> Akuli, you tried? Aren't all dependencies installed automatically?
[17:54] <Akuli> not always
[17:54] <Akuli> dependencies to make it kind of run, but there may still be some issues
[17:55] <lapideviridi> Akuli, does the software boutique just use regular apt like I can type in my terminal?
[17:56] <_rev_> In the software boutique, if you click show underneath the program in question, it says the source. In this case: https://launchpad.net/~vikoadi/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[17:56] <_rev_> That PPA was reported to work just fine in 15.04
[17:57] <Akuli> lapideviridi, i never use the software boutique :D i do all my package management with the terminal
[17:58] <lapideviridi> _rev_, do you suggest it is outdated?
[17:58] <Akuli> nothing has changed that much
[17:58] <lapideviridi> Akuli, not quite there yet, I'm afraid. I need the list to know my possibilities.
[17:59] <Akuli> tell me something you want to do, and i'll tell you how to do that with the terminal.
[17:59] <_rev_> lapideviridi:I don't think so, it wasn't even added to the boutique until the second 16.04 alpha.
[18:01] <lapideviridi> Akuli, thanks for the offer. I do know how to use apt, since my first experience with linux was from my raspberries. I liked all the freedom and options, but it can be a bit overwhelming, so I choose mate to counter that.
[18:03] <lapideviridi> Any clue on to fix this. Sorry, I still have to get accustomed to all this.
[18:07] <_rev_> lapideviridi: When I add the PPA there is no release key.
[18:08] <_rev_> Also, you can find the most recent version, according to the dev's launchpad in the regular ubuntu repo.
[18:08] <_rev_> If you think the PPA install is the issue, you could try reinstalling from the repo.
[18:34] <lapideviridi> _rev_, installing it via the ubuntu software senter then?
[18:34] <lapideviridi> *center
[18:35] <_rev_> It's up to you. I'd rather just open a terminal and then input: sudo apt install kdeconnect
[18:35] <_rev_> Just completely remove your previous install if you want to try this.
[18:35] <_rev_> apt purge the previous install
[18:38] <lapideviridi> _rev_, purge takes out all the dependencies too?
[18:38] <_rev_> No, it just wipes all config files. If you want to wipe the dependencies you should purge the program and then run: sudo apt autoremove
[18:39] <lapideviridi> _rev_, I'll remember that, thanks!
[18:45] <Akuli> you can actually search for config files that are left from removed packages that haven't been purged
[18:45] <Akuli> dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1
[19:06] <CodFection> hello
[19:06] <CodFection> new to mate
[19:07] <CodFection> being using ubuntu unity
[19:07] <CodFection> right choice? :)
[19:07] <Akuli> if you like it :)
[19:08] <CodFection> I really like it
[19:08] <CodFection> just one disappointment thou
[19:08] <CodFection> cant use "start" button on keyboard
[19:08] <CodFection> nothing pops up
[19:08] <Akuli> which menu are you using
[19:09] <CodFection> default
[19:09] <Akuli> the default applications-places-system thing?
[19:09] <CodFection> yes
[19:09] <Akuli> right-click a panel, add to panel
[19:09] <Akuli> there should be alternative menus, one of them which is called 'advanced' or something works with the start key
[19:09] <CodFection> it says "remove from the panel"
[19:10] <Akuli> oh :D
[19:10] <Akuli> click on an empty spot
[19:10] <Akuli> or remove the menu you have now, and click where it was
[19:10] <Akuli> you can always add it again
[19:24] <CodFection> then start button will work?
[19:37] <lostatwork> it is nice that plank will display the new count with apps like thunderbird and liferea
[19:41] <lapideviridi> _rev_, Akuli, I had a meltdown, so I had to autoremove again
[19:41] <lapideviridi> Seems like the issue is fixed. Thanks a lot!
[19:41] <_rev_> Is the program working properly now?
[19:42] <CodFection> guys docky or plank
[19:42] <CodFection> which one is better
[19:42] <CodFection> for mate
[19:45] <lapideviridi> _rev_, almost
[19:45] <lapideviridi> I can read battery level now, but I can't add that to the panel (?) at the top of the screen. Also, when I try to browse the files pluma opens instead
[19:46] <_rev_> And this reinstall was from the repo? Not the PPA?
[19:52] <lostatwork> CodFection: personally I like plank but the ultimate decision rests with you
[19:53] <lapideviridi> _rev_, umm, I used apt
[19:55] <CodFection> lostatwork, thanks
[19:55] <_rev_> lapideviridi: Ok. I can't really suggest much else to fix the panel issues since I don't use the program. You might want to document the problem with some screenshots and steps to reproduce them. You could then try posting on the support forum.
[19:56] <_rev_> I did notice that program pulls in a frightening amount of QT dependencies. So, there are a lot of points of failure. But that's really above my knowledge level.
[19:58] <CodFection> I still cant figure out how to make the start button work
[19:58] <CodFection> :(
[19:58] <CodFection> or it just doesn't on mate?
[20:04] <CodFection> hello?
[20:04] <CodFection> any one?
[20:05] <nomic> hi
[20:05] <CodFection> hello
[20:05] <CodFection> I still cant figure out how to make the start button work
[20:05] <CodFection> nomic, any idea
[20:06] <nomic> start
[20:06] <nomic> what start button
[20:06] <nomic> ie. on a pc?
[20:06] <CodFection> in keyboard
[20:06] <nomic> hmm
[20:06] <CodFection> that windows thingy
[20:06] <CodFection> yea
[20:06] <CodFection> lol
[20:06] <nomic> you can attach keys to processes
[20:06] <nomic> it's not used
[20:06] <nomic> in linux
[20:06] <CodFection> in unity it was working
[20:06] <CodFection> :O
[20:06] <nomic> i just pressed it - nothing happened
[20:06] <nomic> to do what
[20:06] <lapideviridi> _rev_, yeah, I read  that it needs a lot of KDE dependencies. What are QT dependencies, by the way?
[20:06] <nomic> menus?
[20:07] <CodFection> yea
[20:07] <nomic> you can attach programs to keys
[20:07] <nomic> the start button has a key number
[20:07] <CodFection> oh
[20:07] <CodFection> how can I?
[20:08] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=assigning+programs+to+keys+ubuntu
[20:08] <nomic> so you can customise the start key
[20:08] <nomic> to call maybe the file browser
[20:08] <CodFection> nomic, for the application installation. do I need to follow ubuntu unity guide? will it work the same for mate?
[20:08] <CodFection> ok cool
[20:08] <nomic> mate is not unity
[20:08] <nomic> unity is ubuntu
[20:08] <CodFection> yea
[20:08] <CodFection> I know
[20:08] <CodFection> thats why asking
[20:09] <CodFection> programs will have effect?
[20:09] <nomic> bells n whistles -- things like the start button attached to things
[20:09] <nomic> yeah it'll work on mate
[20:09] <CodFection> because of the guides are available for unity
[20:09] <CodFection> ok cool
[20:09] <nomic> because its not doing anything
[20:09] <CodFection> thanks :)
[20:09] <nomic> this is not unity
[20:09] <nomic> separate
[20:09] <nomic> distro/gui/screen manager -- mate is far more minimal (& faster), than unity
[20:09] <nomic> minimal
[20:09] <CodFection> true
[20:09] <nomic> svelte
[20:09] <CodFection> I love simplicity of it
[20:10]  * nomic got it on raspberr pi3s
[20:10] <nomic> as pcs
[20:10] <nomic> for everything
[20:10] <CodFection> just if I can get the application menu to pop when I press start
[20:10] <CodFection> it would be great
[20:10] <CodFection> wow thats cool
[20:10] <CodFection> is it worth buying rasp 3?
[20:10] <nomic> not sure what the command is for the application men us -- if you find it, try it in the terminal
[20:10] <CodFection> I was planning to.
[20:10] <nomic> they're not for browsing
[20:10] <nomic> because browser = huge demand
[20:11] <nomic> they're great for media / server
[20:11] <nomic> things only have 1gb ram .. they are matchbox sized .. 1.5w max draw
[20:11] <CodFection> so you use it as a?
[20:11] <nomic> if  you have problems attaching the menu to the start button - ask on forums (ubuntu/ubuntu mate forums)
[20:11] <nomic> work/server/media
[20:11] <CodFection> ok
[20:11] <CodFection> cool
[20:12] <CodFection> brb restarting pc
[20:12] <nomic> actually better than pcs (I had) .. because its HD playback .. I get live tv news streams
[20:12] <lapideviridi> CodFection, I can recommend getting one. I have three which I use for testing, fun and different kinds of testing.
[20:12] <nomic> rock solid with mate
[20:12] <lapideviridi> One actually managed to run Ubuntu Mate with a VNC server, so I could remotely access it.
[20:12] <nomic> wireless works out of the box etc (onboard wireless)
[20:13]  * nomic uses x2x
[20:13] <nomic> type on laptop (xubuntu) -- cursor drifts across to mate desktop
[20:13] <lapideviridi> Can confirm that wireless is a pain on earlier boards. I had to find some cheap dongles on dx.com which do the trick, but are rather limited in terms of speed.
[20:14] <lapideviridi> Also, it was hard to find something compatible.
[20:14] <nomic> never had problem with it, with mate 15.04/16
[20:14] <nomic> netgear wg511 always
[20:14] <nomic> ^ imo the 100% linux compatible wirless usb
[20:15] <nomic> some guy tested the onboard wirless of the raspberry pi 3, from within a tin box
[20:15] <nomic> worked fine
[20:15] <lapideviridi> I ran raspbian, since it was designed for the board and used very little resources. Quite a few handy tools in there too.
[20:15]  * nomic gave up on raspibian when I couldn't configure nfs ... raspibian = like debian IMO
[20:16] <nomic> "for the workshop" .. mate is "for the desktop" .. things work .. it is a standard ubuntu
[20:16] <nomic> so I was able to slide across from xubuntu in minutes
[20:17] <lapideviridi> I didn't really have the need for a desktop, so I ran a headless setup. Thus, no mate.
[20:17] <_rev_> lapideviridi: To answer your earlier question: GTK and QT are widget libraries commonly used in linux distros to build the GUI of programs. Although GTK and QT do the same thing, most distros tend to prefer one or the other.
[20:17] <lapideviridi> _rev_, I think I'll just copy that somewhere. Thanks again
[20:18] <_rev_> Np
[20:18] <lapideviridi> nomic, what did you use the desktop for?
[20:19] <nomic> work / old films / tv news
[20:19] <nomic> 100% as a server / setting up web server
[20:19] <nomic> but not simple one
[20:19] <nomic> just abandoned apache .. getting nginx
[20:19] <nomic> need websocket proxy
[20:19] <nomic> thought I had it working on apache
[20:20] <nomic> can't decide whether to use tornado, or autobahn (twisted) .. thinking I would use autobahn, but got impression twisted may be faster to set up with nginx
[20:21] <nomic> monday spent going from lighttpd to nginx to apache .. thought apache was working .. this is as websocket proxy thru port 80 .. but found out today that the proxy isn't working
[20:21] <nomic> tbh it works locally, but I'm not even sure how it's working
[20:21] <lapideviridi> I ran some http servers once. Apache was way too resource intensive, but nginx did the trick.
[20:22] <nomic> apache is like a leatherman .. its a larger tool for everything .. nginx / lighttpd will just serve
[20:22] <lapideviridi> lighttpd also did a wonderful job, but a lot of features were missing.
[20:22] <nomic> im probably going to use nginx - re-reading, websocket support is built in
[20:23] <nomic> borked the nginx installation .. can't purge it .. re-installing the pi3 after some time
[20:23] <nomic> something went wrong to stop it installing/uninstalling .. with these matchboxes it takes me no time at all to get a fresh system -- can't be bothered looking at it
[20:24] <nomic> nginx is probably the 2nd most widely used web server .. maybe #1 apache #2 nginx #3 lighttpd .. not sure if lighttpd is developed/supported as much as nginx
[20:24] <lapideviridi> nomic, I read somewhere that you could have the filesystem on a usb stick, and then format that, resulting in a fresh system
[20:26] <nomic> I just want a plain install .. takes no time @ all
[20:27] <nomic> found that 16.04 standard version (image) doesn't fit on 8gb micro sd anymore .. its 7.5gb 7.4 is available .. but someone on site has made a 16.04 < 8gb or 7.4 .. torrent only .. getting it
[20:28]  * nomic  waits
[20:28] <nomic> wonder why its > 7.4gb. inconvenient .. the installed system is something like 3gb
[20:28] <nomic> its like ubuntu / xubuntu went from fitting on a cd, to only fitting on a dvd
[20:28] <nomic> happens
[20:29] <nomic> far smaller than wincrap
[21:07] <cris_> hello
[21:21] <silver-dragon> Any one know why steam wont launch on ubuntu-mate 16.04
[21:21] <bekks> silver-dragon: Which error message do you get?
[21:22] <silver-dragon> nothing it just starts then crashes
[21:22] <silver-dragon> I dont know where to find a cash log
[21:22] <bekks> How does it "crash"?
[21:24] <silver-dragon> Well I guess I would say it fails to start. The first time I ran it after installing it ran the updates just fine then the second time it shows up in the dock for a second then its gone.
[21:24] <bekks> So open a terminal and start it from the terminal.
[21:25] <silver-dragon> I am re-installing it now
[21:25] <bekks> Its not Windows, that wont help at all.
[21:25] <silver-dragon> I was hoping something maybe went wrong when steam updateed so doing a fresh install might fix it
[21:26] <silver-dragon> Startup - updater built Jun 14 2016 23:23:08
[21:26] <silver-dragon> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[21:26] <silver-dragon> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[21:27] <silver-dragon> Thats the terminal output when I launch from terminal