[00:13] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: https://github.com/ahoneybun/uCycle/blob/master/README.md
[00:13] <ahoneybun> lol
[00:14] <mariogrip> litte small maybe and favicons :P
[00:14] <ahoneybun> testing things lol
[00:14] <mariogrip> favicons*
[00:14] <mariogrip> yeah
[00:16] <ahoneybun> WIP as they say lol
[00:59] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: "Contributions to master, excluding merge commits"
[01:01] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: what?
[01:01] <ahoneybun> that's what the contributor page says lol
[01:02] <ahoneybun> either way I just used full size images on my README for uCycle
[01:05] <mariogrip> Cool :D
[01:06] <ahoneybun> so sharing passwords in the US is now a crime
[01:06] <ahoneybun> ...
[01:10] <mariogrip> Lol
[01:18] <Acou_Bass> imagine how many passwords you just shared by saying the word 'passwords'
[01:22] <ahoneybun> XD
[12:56] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I can't seem to post on the ubport forms
[12:56] <ahoneybun> *forums
[13:25] <ioc> hello, would someone be able to provide some support regarding enabling ubuntu specific kernel config options please?
[15:30] <ogra_> bregma, hmm, i see a purtine app when i search fr "Desktop" on my phone ... in the app store scope it tells me it is installed ... in the app scope i cant see it though
[15:31] <bregma> ogra_, that's odd
[15:31] <ogra_> and if i long-press the icon in th app-store search i just get an empty page
[15:31] <bregma> ogra_, when you say 'app scope' do you mean the XApp scope?
[15:31] <ogra_> no
[15:31] <ogra_> just the generic apps scope that shows my installed apps
[15:32] <bregma> XApps no longer appear in the regular app scope, because they're no regular apps
[15:32] <ogra_> there is no entry for it
[15:32] <ogra_> i'm talking about https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.puritine
[15:32] <ogra_> it isnt in my application list at all
[15:33] <bregma> right, they're XApps and you need the XApps scope to see them
[15:33] <ogra_> but going to the app store on my phone it claims it is installed
[15:33] <ogra_> so what is it good for ?
[15:33] <ogra_> i thought thats the app installer
[15:33] <ogra_> and in the Xapps scope i dont seem to have any option to install an app or anything
[15:34] <bregma> some day (soon) the apps scope will be an aggregating scope that surfaces and launches native apps, snaps, and XApps, but not today
[15:35] <bregma> the Desktop Applications click (formerly known as Puritine) contains 5 XApps preinstalled
[15:35] <ogra_> aha
[15:35] <ogra_> so why claims my phone it is installed (while it isnt)
[15:35] <bregma> anything else we don't (yet) support outside of developer preview (CLI) functionality, because there are too many known limitations
[15:36] <bregma> if you phone claims Puritine is installed, it's installed
[15:36] <ogra_> well ...
[15:36] <ogra_> i dont have an icon for it
[15:36] <bregma> you just can't see the XApps unless you have the XApps (libertine-scope) installed
[15:36] <ogra_> and as i said,, long pressing the icon in the store scope doesnt get m the details page
[15:36] <ogra_> i have the libertine scope installed
[15:37] <ogra_> it only tells me "no XApps available"
[15:37] <bregma> is everything up-to-date?
[15:37] <ogra_> well, i'm on rc-proposed, updated this morning to the latest imag
[15:37] <dobey> ogra_: puritine app? as in an X app that's installed in a container?
[15:37] <ogra_> e
[15:38] <ogra_> dobey, no ... see the uappexplorer link above
[15:38] <dobey> ogra_: oh, puritine isn't an app though is it?
[15:38] <ogra_> there is a purtine click in the store
[15:38] <ogra_> i can find it when searching locall in my app store on the phone
[15:38] <dobey> right, but it's not an app or a scope, as i understand
[15:38] <ogra_> it has a green checkmark and says it is installed
[15:38] <ogra_> long pressing it gets me a whitepage
[15:39] <ogra_> opening the libertine scope tells me "No XApps installed"
[15:39] <ogra_> so i guess something is wrong here
[15:39] <bregma> defiitely sounds like
[15:40] <bregma> ogra_, what version of the Puritine click does your local store say is installed?
[15:40] <ogra_> (... i.e. i should be able to uninstall it trough the store scope ... or at least see the details)
[15:40] <dobey> ogra_: the problem is that it's not an app or a scope, i think
[15:40] <dobey> ogra_: file a bug agaisnt unity-scope-click
[15:40] <ogra_> bregma, there are no details  :)
[15:40] <ogra_> so how would i tell
[15:41] <dobey> ogra_: "click list" in terminal :)
[15:41] <ogra_> offt
[15:41] <ogra_> *pfft
[15:41] <bregma> funny, I get a blank screen from the store when I go to see details too
[15:41] <ogra_> bregma, 0.1
[15:41] <dobey> really it shouldn't appear in the store scope at all.
[15:42] <ogra_> dobey, well, uappexplorer never lies :P
[15:42] <bregma> ogra_, 0.1 is the empty click, which explains why you don;t get any apps in the XApps scope
[15:42] <dobey> ogra_: yes it does :)
[15:42] <ogra_> never ever :P
[15:42] <ogra_> bregma, ah, yeah, i see there is 0.12
[15:42] <ogra_> but indeed i cant install it
[15:42] <ogra_> (since i cant get rid of 0.1)
[15:42] <bregma> ogra_, the empty click is shipped in rc-proposed otherwise it would blow the partition size during flash
[15:42] <dobey> ogra_: it should appear in updates page in system settings
[15:42] <bregma> then you need to update the click from the store
[15:43] <ogra_> right, but the click scope doesnt allow that
[15:43] <dobey> click scope doesn't do updates anyway
[15:43]  * ogra_ checks system-settings
[15:43] <ogra_> oh !
[15:43] <ogra_> yeah, i see a 600MB update
[15:43] <ogra_> hmm
[15:43] <bregma> we ended up in a compromising position because it was so big
[15:43] <ogra_> wht if i dont want it ?
[15:44] <bregma> if you don;t want it, don't hit the update button
[15:44] <ogra_> i guess i need to install it first to be able to uninstall it ?
[15:44] <dobey> but having it appear in the store scope, and it being a blank page, are bugs
[15:44] <dobey> ogra_: no, you won't be able to uninstall it
[15:44] <ogra_> bregma, i dont want to see it every day in myupdates window either :P
[15:44] <ogra_> dobey, that will break as soon as we get notifications for app updates
[15:44] <ogra_> you will constantly get notified
[15:45] <dobey> ogra_: lol, great. so in another 4 years when we get that, you can complain about updates all the time :)
[15:45] <bregma> I believe it only get into the rc-proposed channel for -pd images, since it's in the custom overlay tarball for only certain devices
[15:45] <ogra_> and if i ever accidentially hit "update all" i *will* get it
[15:45] <ogra_> bregma, i definitely dont use pd
[15:45] <ogra_> not on my phone
[15:46] <bregma> it would be nice to have a 'never tell me about updates to this package' in the UI
[15:46] <ogra_> well,, but we dont have it ... and most people do hit "update all"
[15:46] <dobey> it would be nice if people filed bugs, when bugs happen :)
[15:46] <ogra_> so they end up with 600MB eaten on their disk
[15:46]  * dobey can't fix bugs that aren't reported
[15:47] <ogra_> dobey, i'll file a bug, i have obviously only discovered it a few mins ago
[15:47] <bregma> if you're not using a channel for one of the -pd supported images, the Puritine click should not be in the customer overlay, so someone must have messed up
[15:47] <ogra_> the point is that the concept forces it onto everyone
[15:47] <dobey> it's not installed on my mako
[15:47] <bregma> we certainly don;t want to have people using older devices installing that click and killing their disk space
[15:48] <ogra_> bregma, i use a MXpro5 that i switched to rc-proposed after finding it unusable for a week ... but i never switched to a diffrent channel like pd on that phone
[15:48] <bregma> MXpro5 is a -pd device
[15:48] <ogra_> by default ?
[15:48] <bregma> as I understand it, yes
[15:48] <dobey> well if you switched channels you would have had to specify the channel used
[15:48] <bregma> that's the turbo, right?
[15:49] <dobey> so what channel does system-image-cli -i say you are on?
[15:49] <dobey> yes, that's turbo
[15:49] <ogra_> bregma, yeah
[15:49] <ogra_> and yes, it says meizu.en-pd :/
[15:50] <ogra_> so that means i can never again hit update all ... :(((
[15:50] <ogra_> doesnt feel like the concept has been thought through
[15:50] <bregma> or just bite the bullet and install the full click, then enjoy running the GIMP on your phone
[15:50] <ogra_> suuure
[15:51] <ogra_> i have a tablet for that stuff :P
[15:51] <bregma> you will be the life of the party
[15:51] <ogra_> i prefer to have 20GB of offline maps for uNav eating my space instead
[15:52] <dobey> well, so that gives you 44 GB more space, so 600 MB isn't too much :)
[15:52] <dobey> just don't install an update on 3G
[15:52] <ogra_> 44GB ?
[15:52] <ogra_> how did you make up that number ?
[15:53] <dobey> 64 - 20 ?
[15:53] <dobey> isn't turbo 64 GB storage ?
[15:53] <ogra_> nope, 32
[15:54] <ogra_> with 25G for userdta
[15:54] <ogra_> *userdata
[15:54] <dobey> oh, well, then still plenty of space
[15:54] <dobey> or just uninstall the thing
[15:54] <ogra_> i dont think i can
[15:54] <ogra_> it comes from the custom tarball
[15:55] <ogra_> (i probably can but it will return)
[15:55] <dobey> you can't remove the stuff from /custom, but you can unregister it, and the update won't appear in system settings any more
[15:56] <dobey> click unregister com.ubuntu.puritine
[15:56] <dobey> or something like that
[15:57]  * ogra_ really doesnt see the point in that click ... instead dev time should have been invested in making the frontend to libertine-container-manager better so you can install debs 
[15:57] <ogra_> but hey, i'm just ranting :P
[15:58]  * dobey blames brexit
[15:58] <ogra_> +1
[15:58] <bregma> ogra_, it's a marketing thing, there is no rationalizing it
[15:58] <ogra_> its all popey's fault anyway ... and if not it was davmor2
[15:58] <bregma> definitely popey
[15:58] <ogra_> bregma, yeah, but a marketing thing every user will suffer from
[15:58] <ogra_> at least on turbo
[15:59] <ogra_> heck ... i'll just upgrade it and ignore the wasted space
[15:59] <dobey> ogra_: file a bug against ubuntu-ux :)
[15:59] <ogra_> i'll file a bug against canonical-marketing :P
[16:00] <ogra_> subject: "doesn't work !!11eleven"
[16:00] <ogra_> (with no summary .. muhahaha)
[16:00] <davmor2> ogra_: actually I think both of us voted to remain so were in the 48% with a brain
[16:01] <ogra_> davmor2, i know :(
[16:02]  * dobey just wants to know how the heck url handling works
[16:06] <Mister_Q> bregma Is there no way to restrict the click to the new devices ? I just installed the libertine-scope and puritine click on krillin, arale and flo (yes I know thats bad, yes I'm used to reflash my devices several times per week ;) )
[16:07] <dobey> no
[16:08] <bregma> Mister_Q, as far as we can tell, there is no way to filter available apps in the store based on device
[16:08] <davmor2> dobey: same a baggage handling only with urls, just a guess I could be completely wrong
[16:08] <Mister_Q> that's unfortunate :/
[16:08]  * ogra_ watches the update sit at 100% for 10mins now 
[16:09] <bregma> Mister_Q, yes, especially when I go to install clicks on the desktop and they fail because they're ARM-only
[16:09] <dobey> bregma: apparently that's not why they're failing
[16:09] <dobey> bregma: but i'm not sure what the reason is :-/
[16:09] <Mister_Q> bregma, oh wow I didn't even thought about that
[16:10] <bregma> dobey, I only get failures when I get an architecture mismatch
[16:10] <bregma> could be coincidence, I haven't tried them all
[16:10] <dobey> bregma: can you get me the logs from ubuntu-download-manager when you try to install terminal app on x86 in unity8?
[16:10] <ogra_> oh, wow ... it finally finished
[16:11] <ogra_> (would i be a normal user i would have thought it is broken and killed system-settings ... that was about 15min in total for the update ... most of the time just sitting at 100%)
[16:12] <ogra_> bregma, hmm, ii thought you added a fix to have libertine use proper DPI settings ?
[16:13] <bregma> ogra_, I think there is a temporary one in the queue, but the real fix is waiting for the XMir dev to come back from vacation
[16:13] <ogra_> uuuh ... and we have matchbox frames now, even in non-desktop mode ?
[16:13] <bregma> ogra_, yeah, sorry, it's a workaround to get the OSK working
[16:13] <ogra_> how about havint a freameless theme in use
[16:13] <ogra_> *having
[16:13] <bregma> once window management in Unity 8 is working better, the matchbox decs will disappear again
[16:14] <ogra_> or a 1px frame
[16:14] <ogra_> ok
[16:14] <bregma> dobey, where are the logs from ubuntu-download-manager saved?
[16:15] <dobey> bregma: ~/.cache/ubuntu-download-manager/ iirc
[16:17] <bregma> dobey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18796359/
[16:17] <bregma> and it might be a good idea to add logrotation or something to those logs
[16:21] <dobey> ok, hmm, why is it downloading the armhf click instead of the old multi click then.
[16:30] <dobey> bregma: thanks
[17:13] <timeax> Hello peopls
[17:14] <timeax> Hi mariogrip are you online?
[19:48] <taiebot> Am i right to believe that OTA-13 will bring some significant performance improvement. I mean the UITK update OTA 13.
[19:54] <dobey> ota12 not even released yet. don't know what will make it into 13 yet
[19:59] <taiebot> dobey: it's all here https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
[19:59] <dobey> taiebot: don't misinterpret that
[20:00] <dobey> things being tested doesn't necessarily mean they'll land in time for a particular OTA
[22:32] <ahoneybun> mm odd my SIM card does not work in my N4