[00:00] BadBoy09: Since Google doesn't appear to be your forte, read this: http://www.deepweb-sites.com/deep-web-links-2015/ [00:00] Also, I can't get nvidia-prime to work properly. It worked on my 15.10 partition, although I had to reboot to switch GPUs (instead of just logout), but when I try installing it on 16.04 (along with the nvidia-361) I get a black screen after boot. [00:00] BadBoy09, i think you need TOR for that, not sure as i never tried that fancy network [00:00] google.onion ? [00:01] heheheheheheh...yeah... [00:01] Mihasi: Honestly, nvidia optimus on *nix is a mess. I've never been able to get it to work. [00:02] ...but it could just be because I'm stupid. [00:03] justsomeguy: There was a time when NVidia was "the bomb" - but that's all changed now. [00:04] justsomeguy: it's definitely not. I've already wasted so much time on it. Eventually on 15.10 I stumbled upon a magical combination of bumblebee, nvidia-prime AND a specific version of the nvidia driver that worked and which I didn't dare to touch since, but now that 15.10 is EOL... [00:04] saw mutt-patched in the repo, installed for the sidebar patch. Doesn't have any keybindings in sidebar.rc. Tried setting a few in .muttrc, no luck. Any suggestions/help would be appreciated [00:06] For now, my plan is to keep the 15.10 partition for gaming, at least for the time being. I'll use this 16.04 partition for everything else, but if I'm not going to use the Nvidia GPU anyway I would like to disable it for battery savings. [00:06] Mihasi: On 16.04 I ended up uninstalling/disabling everything but mesa, and blocking nouveau with a grub boot option. Hoepfully that will work for you, too. [00:07] justsomeguy: How exactly did you block nouveau in grub? nomoset=0? [00:07] Mihasi: Probably, let me look it up. [00:07] *nomodeset [00:08] nacc_, have a great weekend. anyone else willing to help? [00:08] touchpad. or whatever that is called [00:09] justsomeguy: Thx. And just to be sure: you also uninstalled nouveau? I don't have that option in the "additional drivers" dialog, but I guess an apt purge should work. [00:11] Mihasi: I'm not on ubuntu right now, but if I remember correctly all I did was 'dpkg --get-selections *nvidia* *nouveau*' and examined the output. I uninstalled all the packages that seemed reasonable with 'apt-get purge '. I think I used "nouveau.modeset=0". [00:11] ...at the grub boot screen to block nouveau during boot time. [00:12] Mihasi: Also, be sure to have mesa installed. [00:16] justsomeguy: Any specific mesa packages I should have installed? Right now it looks like these are the drivers I have installed: mesa-vdpau-drivers (along with number of related dri, glx,... packages) [00:18] Mihasi: Honestly, I don't know. I think you already have what you need. I usually break my system several times while trying to solve issues like this. [00:20] justsomeguy: I know the feeling. Maybe I should wait until someone can answer the vgaswitcheroo questions. I think the "DynOff" option *should* mean that it's switched off... === cigumo_ is now known as cigumo [00:36] How do I install Fmod on Ubuntu? I can't seem to find up-to-date instructions anywhere. [00:42] BlueProtoman: Can't help you with Fmod, but I can share your frustration about not finding up-to-date instructions, especially for a distro that is supposed to be newbie-friendly. [00:44] fmod seems to be a commercial application... [00:44] outta these 3, what would people recommend for setting up a websocket, port 80, proxy server on ubuntu/linux 1. apache2 2. lighttpd 3. nginx [00:47] tgm4883: It's got a free library, which I'm trying to install. [00:47] nomic: Dependt on your needs. I like nginx personally. [00:48] i thought nginx 1. there seem to be more inroads to the setup of websocket (proxy) .. 2. v light/fast/small .. apache is like the leatherman .. 3. [00:48] BlueProtoman: by free, you mean as in beer I suppose [00:49] 3. it seems to be supported/current [00:49] BlueProtoman: it's free as in $0, but not free as in freedom [00:49] i.e. behind a registration wall [00:49] also, I read that nginx as of a recentish version has websockets built in, as standard [00:50] mchelen2, tgm4883: Correct [00:50] BlueProtoman: unfortunately that means its kind of hard for us to look at [00:50] have installed/ tried out apache .. seems to be a bit slow on a raspberry pi 3 [00:50] apache2 [00:50] BlueProtoman: you could try https://wiki.debian.org/FMOD idk how current it is [00:51] nomic: what os are you running? [00:51] mate for the server .. on raspberry pi 3 [00:51] there are a ton of perf tweaks you can use [00:51] also dont run gui on server [00:51] nomic: https://www.nginx.com/blog/websocket-nginx/ [00:51] BlueProtoman: I'd point out that it seems silly to blame a distribution for the difficulty of installing commercial software that the developers don't seem to support all that well [00:51] tgm4883: i didn't see them doing any blaming? [00:52] thanks for that article rypervenche .. not always obvious searching ie. THE article [00:52] getting blogs etc [00:52] mchelen2: TBF, it was Mihasi [00:52] nomic: nginx is good too, in either case i still recommend headless, no-gui os for server [00:52] erm .. it gives a bit speed increase? [00:52] hmm .. cos that means I would have to get another pi3 [00:53] mchelen -- headless because the gui, even not used, is sucking up resource? [00:53] these raspberry pi3s are breeding -- already got 2 as desktops [00:53] nomic: Why do you need a GUI? [00:53] thought could just put server on 1 .. if its a big performance increase [00:53] because I am using hte pi3s as desktops [00:54] seriously .. it works [00:54] ... [00:54] i type on laptop, with xubuntu, mouse drifts across to raspberry pi 3 screens, with x2x [00:54] You don't need/want one on a server. [00:54] asking again -- it really slows it down [00:55] On a pi, it definitely can. [00:55] upon deployment, I would set up a headless [00:55] for test, atm, would go with it on the thing that I use for tv etc [00:55] I suppose this isn't really Ubuntu-related. [00:56] mate [00:57] Oh, they have added OSes since I last looked. [00:57] got enough info -- carry on [00:57] how many? [00:57] tgm4883: I confess, I was doing the blaming. :P But I wasn't blaming the distribution for the difficulty of installing commercial software, but for the lack of centralized, up-to-date information. It's a bit weird that I usually find better explanations on the Arch wiki than in the Ubuntu docs, wiki and AskUbuntu combined... [00:57] Go with a GUI if you are comfortable with it. [00:58] understood .. its overhead [00:58] why there are server versions (no gui) [00:58] tgm4883: oh ok [00:58] would get a rpi3 and clock it [00:58] aint done that yet [00:59] clocking is as a standard option with the pi3 [00:59] you just need a heatsink -- v nice copper ones all over ebay -- just stick them on .. the rpi3 doesn't need a fan [00:59] nomic: yeah desktop software has a big overhead, servers should run only server software [00:59] you can develop with that extra stuff but dont expect good perf [01:00] anyone know how to write getting the mattch regular expression for this ? Your IP address: [01:00] Mihasi: anecdotal evidence is anecdotal [01:00] i'm not good on regular expression [01:00] as with anything surrounding the pi3 .. this is not an issue now .. the units consume 1.5 watt of power, maximum -- and the board cost (last time I looked), is $33 [01:00] Mihasi: Are you aware : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PopularPages ? A tremendous amount of effort and resources are expended to keep it current . [01:00] Hulio: try http://www.regexpal.com/ [01:00] mchelen2, come on man [01:01] really [01:01] yes really [01:01] lern2regex [01:01] Hulio: you didn't even say what you were trying to match in that [01:02] Hulio: #regex is useful. [01:02] basically i have a lot of string. and i want to get IP from string that contain Your IP address: [01:02] ok thakns [01:03] Bashing-om: thanks, didn't know about those yet. [01:04] Mihasi: :) .. No internet police to clean up debris that get left behind . [01:05] Mihasi: yeah there is just no way to document install / usage for every piece of software out there [01:05] mchelen2: How does Arch do it then? [01:05] Don't get me wrong, I love Ubuntu. [01:06] I've only used Arch once for a couple of months, but the Wiki is just extremely well done. [01:06] Mihasi: I think rolling release makes it easier. [01:07] When you have to configure everything manually, you end up having to document everything /s [01:08] rypervenche: Why would that be the case? They still need to update it every time a package is (significantly) updated, right? [01:08] * nomic not a fan of regex [01:08] Mihasi: Yes, but only for one version of it. [01:10] hopefully that article (nginx websocket proxy) won't bee too attached to node.js .. all articles are -- I am not using node.js [01:10] seems everyone is [01:11] Mihasi: are you comparing them 1:1? can you say arch wiki covers X topics well, and ubuntu wiki covers Y topics, and X > Y? [01:11] Mihasi: or is it that arch wiki is covering the topics that you happen to be interested in [01:11] (which is still a big achievement, just somewhat different) [01:12] nomic: what are you using? node is nice for async stuff, which is where ws shine [01:12] Can we move this discussion to #ubuntu-discuss [01:12] autobahn = twisted [01:12] tgm4883: yeah fair enough [01:12] tgm4883: sure [01:12] ws is only for async [01:12] i aint decide yet, between autobahn or tornadio [01:13] tornado .. tbh .. whatever I get working first, goes in [01:13] many people favor tornado [01:13] node.js seems to have taken the market -- but, from what I understand, it is a subset of javascript [01:13] maybe why it has taken the market [01:14] exit [01:14] * nomic would favor autobahn = twisted [02:07] i've read node.js is pretty powerful... [02:07] i've also read that rails is too === teaReactor2 is now known as teaReactor === Cydia is now known as JQ === JQ is now known as jq [02:23] Interesting problem. I have a laptop with a removable SATA interface. I interchange between my SATA Bluray disc drive and my SATA DVD drive. For some reason, inserting a drive into the SATA bay does not initialize the drive unless a drive was in the bay during boot. IS there a way to initialize the drive manually if there was no drive in the bay during boot? === KindOne_ is now known as KindOne === auctus_ is now known as Auctus [02:44] any recommendations on how to generate a key so I don't get this error -> "Unable to negotiate with 127.0.0.1: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-dss"? I am doing "ssh-keygen -t rsa" [02:45] blacknred0: what generates the error? [02:45] reisio: when I try to connect to my remote server from my client [02:46] i thought that rsa was not the same as dss === j0hn is now known as Guest32942 [03:02] does anyone know what pkg has affectx.h in it? [03:03] blacknred0: What are the server and client OSes? [03:03] indonesian channel? [03:04] blacknred0: http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html [03:05] rypervenche: yes, I found that, but I am not sure how to know if I am using the right key, if is not rsa, would i need to create it using dsa? [03:05] rypervenche: svr debian 6.0.10; client ubuntu 16.04 [03:06] i mean, it does work if i do ssh -oHostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-dss user@hostname , but i am trying to avoid adding options on my ssh commands [03:09] blacknred0: Does the client have a dsa key in its ~/.ssh/ directory? [03:10] rypervenche: yes, on ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 and for fail save ~/.ssh/authorized_keys [03:10] blacknred0: I mean an actual key. Like id_dsa [03:11] rypervenche: sorry, yes, the id_dsa is on client and the server has the public key on those path [03:12] blacknred0: Does the client have an RSA key as well? [03:12] rypervenche: yes, that is what doesn't make any sense [03:12] blacknred0: Add -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa to your SSH command. [03:13] i've tried both rsa and dsa [03:13] Same error when you specify it like that? [03:13] rypervenche: yep [03:14] hold on... I am calling help desk from the hosting to see what might be happing [03:14] I wonder if it's because the known hosts or something. [03:14] yep [03:14] just wanted to make sure that i was sane before i contact them [03:15] blacknred0: Was the server ever an older version of Debian that was then upgraded? [03:16] blacknred0: Try running "ssh-keygen -A" on the server with root/sudo (it won't overwrite anything). See what that does. [03:17] rypervenche: that i don't know [03:18] Don't know what? [03:20] rypervenche: if the debian version was upgraded [03:20] blacknred0: That will create any keys on the server that don't exist already. Then we'll check your server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config. [03:21] rypervenche: i assume that they are using old dss and that's why i am having the issues [03:21] blacknred0: Debian 6 should have RSA. [03:21] Unless it's some really restricted service that you have. [03:21] that could be very well [03:22] let me see what support has to say [03:22] thanks rypervenche [03:22] blacknred0: Do you not have root access? [03:23] rypervenche: not on the server [03:23] Ah ok. Good luck then :) [03:23] You have a workaround until they fix it. [03:24] yep, i kind of figured [03:31] wow! rypervenche, server is running "OpenSSH_5.8p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8o 01 Jun 2010" [03:31] And therein lies the problem^^ [03:32] so, it is the client that is blocking it? [03:32] that makes more sense if they can't shake hands [03:32] Yes. OpenSSH 7.0 and up have disabled the DSS cipher by default as it is weak. [03:33] rypervenche: ok === dibs is now known as dibs_ === newguy is now known as dibs_ [03:51] rc.abjects.net [04:06] I'm using make -I/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu to try to get this software to build and it's still saying it's not able to find sys/uio.h [04:07] I have a machine that every few reboots boots to "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk `hd0`" and goes into rescue mode. Ctrl-Alt-Del or power cycle and it boots fine. [04:07] I've no idea what could be causing this... failing drive? [04:07] this is with ubuntu 16.04 server [04:12] @ajeffco I'm guessing it's a hardware issue. I have a laptop that has a small short near the hd or battery. Does a similar thing. Basically I don't keep anything important on it [04:12] what's the most lightweight chromebook/netbook to root + install ubuntu on? [04:12] ajeffco: worth checking out, I would definitely !backup anything important on there. [04:12] tortib, looks like libc6 is not installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libc6-dev [04:13] Definitely agree with @SchrodingersScat [04:13] Thanks. It's a fresh load on an old machine that hasn't been used in a while [04:14] it had ubuntu 14.something on it, wasn't happening until I loaded 16. I'll downgrade and see if stops [04:14] it's only every 4th boot or so that it happens [04:14] !info gnome-disk-utility | ajeffco: iirc this has an easy to read smart data panel, but I'm sure there's several programs you can use. this is a gui. [04:14] ajeffco: iirc this has an easy to read smart data panel, but I'm sure there's several programs you can use. this is a gui.: gnome-disk-utility (source: gnome-disk-utility): manage and configure disk drives and media. In component main, is optional. Version 3.18.3.1-1ubuntu1 (xenial), package size 207 kB, installed size 944 kB [04:15] yea, checked the disk smart stats... nothing bad in the output [04:15] ajeffco: ttps://www.smartmontools.org/ ; https://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/TocDoc ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2192335 . [04:16] Thanks for the responses all [04:19] any hints on how to deal with that in ubuntu 16.04 with oibaf drivers (intel i5-4250U graphics) after some hours of monitor "sleep" when its about to return I only have a black screen and only the mouse visible? [04:20] Apachez: using plain Ubuntu? [04:20] Apachez, seen that, switching to tty2 and back to tty7 fixes that (sometimes) [04:21] hi [04:21] I'm using make -I/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu to try to get this software to build and it's still saying it's not able to find sys/uio.h [04:21] jonky: heya [04:23] last week after a software update, my wireless adapter(tp-link t4uh) stopped working. there were 4-5 people here at the same time experiencing hardware problems after the update, but nothing was figured out while I was here. have any similar problems or resolutions been mentioned lately? [04:23] OerHeks: ill try that next time [04:23] the odd thing is that this only seems to happen after a few hours of inacticvity [04:23] specifically it was on july 2nd [04:23] the regular "shutdown monitor" timeout I use is 10min [04:24] but that doesnt (on its own) have to do with this [04:24] oh, and now my second display isn't being recognized [04:32] another q, any of you experienced problems with reading cd/dvd using usb cd/dvd reader/burner in ubuntu 15.x and 16.x? I mean other than shitty discs or shitty reader, any other hints on how to troubleshoot this on ubuntu? [04:33] you'll have to be more specific than "problems" [04:33] hi i want an adroid emulator. any good ones? [04:33] android [04:33] effectnet: well there's the official one [04:34] that should suffice [04:34] oh [04:34] http://emulatorforpc.com/best-android-emulator-ubuntu/ [04:34] thx [04:35] 's'called 'android-sdk', IIRC [04:35] Is someone willing to help me get some software built? [04:35] Can I make a million dollars in less than a week and retire? [04:36] c++ coder for hire [04:36] tortib, looks like libc6 is not installed http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libc6-dev [04:38] problems = cannot read the disc, but sometimes it can [04:38] tortib: what software [04:38] tortib, do you have a super sweet idea but only lack the necessary skills to bring it to market and looking for a technical partner who recognises and matches your business savvy? [04:38] cncr04s: I'd prefer to have a "App" - a paid for "app" - sold on iTunes - which does basically NOTHING - but teens all over the world would want (at least for the moment) - and I'd be able to rake in tonnes of money and just chill and retire...that's as practical as I can get... ;) [04:38] Apachez: next time you get into it, try using mplayer dvd:// and you'll get more useful debugging output than any GUI [04:41] Hello. I'm a bit stuck hoping for your help. Maybe I misunderstood Tor's instructions, but maybe I installed something other than the browser? https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en [04:41] When I launch tor from terminal I just get "Bootstrapped 100% done", then nothing at all. [04:41] reisio: tnx [04:42] Guess I'm just wondering if I installed the actual browser, if not, how can i reverse the gpg key I put in? [04:43] I unforrtunatly don't know anything about teens these days, but when I was a teen, having a walkman was the cool thing to have [04:43] usul: don't want to use torbrowser-launcher from universe repo? [04:43] cncr04s: that's still cool (portable audio), but everyone has it so it's not that kind of exclusive coolness [04:44] Yeah - there are "Tor" tools already built into the repos...why bother going through the hassle of "external" setups...hmm...(re-inventing the wheel) [04:45] Yeah makes sense. Tor's website says to avoid using univ repo but honestly imma just do it anyway. How can I remove the gpg keys I added? [04:45] or does it not matter [04:48] usul: why's it say that? === JanC is now known as Guest72926 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:02] Great wizards of Ubuntu, I want to set up a mail server that runs locally only. It's been a few years but I use to set up BSD and OSF lab systems that had a mail facility limited to the local system only. This basically allowed programs to send problems messages to root. How do I get Ubuntu to do that same thing? [05:03] jim__: that's pretty much the default [05:03] just install a mail server & call it a day [05:05] I have been looking at potential mail servers and they all go into how to connect to a POP server and all that, most confusing and unnecessary. What is the simplest mail server out there? [05:06] jim__: whatever tasksel chooses [05:07] probably postfix [05:08] yep, I have seen postfix all over the place... maybe I was reading to far into the instructions.... [05:11] * YankDownUnder has a giggle about "simple" mail servers [05:12] I think building a nuclear device is vastly simpler than building a smooth running mail server...(well, I've built many mail servers...so I can only venture a guess at nuclear devices) :) [05:15] hello [05:16] ?? [05:16] jim__, u could try mail in a box, https://mailinabox.email/ [05:17] its a stack thats super simple to configure [05:17] Hmmm.... haven't looked at "mailinabox" yet, I'll check it also [05:19] if ur looking to host your own email server with a domain name and have zero experience setting up mail servers, this is basically your option [05:21] Mailinabox right up front has a few key phrases that worry me "turns a fresh cloud computer into a working mail server" a bit more than I'm looking for I think. [05:22] ...was just sussing that out...makes me prefer postfix+courier a bit more...I prefer to have things "in sight" as it were... [05:24] Hi. I was hoping someone would help me with pulse audio. === dea is now known as Guest5875 [05:25] Guest5875: pulseaudio; what about it [05:28] Well, I started out with my mic not working. I disabled one of the input channels and that worked. Then, the channel turned itself on and auto leveled with the remaining one, disabling my mic again. I came here for help, got told to poke around the config. Did that, now I get no audio at all after I log in. [05:29] Guest5875: /nick deaguy [05:29] Guest5875: laptop? [05:30] Yeah, it's a lenovo flex 2. === Guest5875 is now known as deaincaelo [05:32] I thought I had undid all the edits to daemon.config and restarted, but apparently I noobed something. [05:32] thinking'll do that, every time [05:33] hrm? [05:33] deaincaelo: what if you open up pavucontrol and change the mic to the 'unplugged' option [05:34] wow [05:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure [05:34] niceman: I concur [05:34] what? [05:34] Still no response unless I kill a channel. I would have to watch it for a random reset. [05:36] niceman: agreed [05:36] I'll check it in an hour [05:36] what? [05:36] what are u talking about reisio? [05:37] Any thoughts about the audio none issue? [05:37] there is no girl here? [05:37] h'mm === innerkick is now known as inerkick [05:38] Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab [05:38] double n is good [05:40] deaincaelo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure [05:40] what is it? [05:40] I still use Windows on my pc [05:43] postfix states that it started life as SendMail, which is the tool use on the BSD and OSF systems I was use to. So... it looks like postfix is what I'll try to use. Its just that as I read the instructions it seems like they immediately get into setting up your FQDN, of which I have none.... So maybe it is as simple as install and leave it alone. who knows... [05:44] jim__: Works great with dynamic dns, ya know...so, you can utilise FQDN with dynamic dns... === k is now known as Guest58452 [05:50] Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab. Any ideas why this would be? [05:51] Thanks yank, but that doesn't seem the right troubleshooting flow. I did a little reductive t/s and it looks like a Chrome issue. Audio works in Firefox. [05:52] deaincaelo: Far out...BLAME GOOGLE! Yeah! (I like blaming Google for whatever I can...it's nearly natural...and if not Google, it's Micro$oft) [05:55] YankDownUnder: I have a real simple hosts file. first line: 127.0.0.1 localhost second line: 127.0.1.1 boxer No DNS, No FQDN, just a simple stand alone system [05:55] pqdn? :p [05:56] jim__: So is this supposed to be a "standalone" isolated mail server - like more or less a respository for email as opposed to a "fetch/store/send" serverr? [05:57] YankDownUnder: the only thing I want out of the mail utility is to deliver to "root" messages from applications [05:58] some apps when they finish just feel they absolutely must tell someone about it and they want to do it via a mail message. [05:58] So you should be able to follow through the postfix setups for an isolated server...that doesn't connect to the "world" as it were... [05:59] http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html [05:59] yep, thats my goal [05:59] Look at "postfix on a null client" [05:59] Easy done. [06:00] thanks, I'll take a look at it. [06:01] is it worth upgrading to 16.04 from 14.04? [06:01] Yes. [06:01] YankDownUnder: can you tell me any reasons why? [06:02] Pretty colours. [06:02] I know in the past when I did an upgrade somethings work some didn't [06:02] JOKING...better device support, more current drivers for network devices and the likes... [06:02] YankDownUnder: anything besides that? [06:02] hrmm [06:03] is 14.04 life cycle dead? or is it still being supported? [06:03] well you can't avoid updating forever [06:03] and i heard the new 16.04 uses systemd does that change things abit ? [06:03] I mean you can, but you'll regret it eventually [06:03] Dat: The kernels are quite smooth...I've tested Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and also Ubuntu with AfterStep, WindowMaker, Englightenment, Openlook Virtual Window Manager, Ubuntu server....Samba is smooth as with Ubuntu server...and I've had very few issues with wifi and sound drivers. [06:03] * YankDownUnder likes systemd [06:03] Dat: sure, some [06:04] (My preference, though) [06:04] hrmm i guess i may have to learn systemd [06:04] if you want to use a distro that uses it, probably [06:04] reisio: yeah i try and avoid updates as much as i can, it seems when i update i get the latest and greatest bugs [06:05] reisio: i currently use kubuntu [06:05] Also, it defaulted back to internal microphone, adter I changed it to microphone (unplugged) [06:05] 14.04 [06:05] I think I may switch from Linux to systemd soon [06:05] joshh20: heh [06:06] deaincaelo: did it work while it was set to 'unplugged'? [06:06] systemd, as I read it, is a boot process that gets all in a hurry to try to do as little as possible until it has to. [06:06] Dat: some distros make more drastic changes from version to version than others [06:06] i just updated my mac from 10.6 to the new el capitan that i have been avoiding for along while, seems nice but I need more ram :( [06:06] the distro I use, for example, has had the same init system the entire 16 or so years I've been using it [06:06] with no particular signs of changing [06:07] reisio: what distro is that? [06:07] mmm, could probably afford more ram if you didn't spend so much on brushed metal [06:07] Dat: the one I chose [06:07] reisio, yes it did. At least it responded correctly in the bar. It also responds the same if I set it to internal microphone and turn down either channel. [06:07] mmmk [06:08] deaincaelo: okay, then you can just script it to change to the unplugged setting every time you start the system [06:08] anyone living with a cd/dvd player or burner on their system? [06:08] hacky, but in a pragmatic way [06:08] mine has wentout but im conflicted if i should replace it [06:09] I would have to run that script multiple times if it keeps changing the setting during runtime. [06:09] I've got a nice external CD/DVD that is used when it's actually needed...otherwise, it collects dust and makes a good partial bookend. [06:09] could just grab external [06:10] YankDownUnder: i was thinking the same, maybe invest in a external but i wonder if my internal cd/dvd burner could be converted into hard-drive space. [06:10] YankDownUnder: do you have a setup like that? [06:12] Dat: I've give up all my "big" machines for laptops and mini-ATX machines - so, fairly everything is external. The linux servers and workstations mount directly behind the LCD monitors - ditto with servers - and HD space is all externals and "arrays"...does that make sense? I don't like mucking about with fans and dust anymore...and space, well, space is always at a premium...ergo, mini-things and external things...easier to [06:12] maintain and deal with. [06:13] hrmm sounds good think i know what i'll do thx [06:15] Hi. Kindly help with this issue. http://paste.ubuntu.com/18866967/ === mist is now known as Guest25178 [06:31] oh wow [06:31] i do a do-release-upgrade and it says there is nothing to update [06:31] so I have to install 16.04 fresh? [06:31] Dat: What are you upgrading from? [06:32] YankDownUnder: 14.04 [06:32] Dat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes [06:35] hrmm [06:35] so maybe i can't go from 14.04 to 16.04 [06:36] how come do-release-upgrade -d seems to give me results? [06:36] is 16.04 not offically released yet? [06:37] it is [06:37] Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab [06:37] hrmm ok [06:37] Dat, for lts releases they dont show up in the updater until its been out for a year [06:38] Dat: If you can't go from 14.04 but millions of other folks can, then there's something bigger to worry about, eh? :) [06:38] YankDownUnder, they dont show up in the updates until its been out for a year [06:39] most likely for stability reasons, lts releases are all about stability [06:39] not a year, the first point release [06:39] !ltsupgrade [06:39] Users of 14.04 LTS will be offered the automatic upgrade when 16.04.1 LTS is released, which is scheduled for July 21st. [06:39] tgm4883, thanks for the clarifacation [06:39] darn i got disconnected [06:39] wow thats actually sooner than i thought [06:40] plop_its_ellie: you think its safe to go the do-release-upgrade -d route or just install fresh? [06:41] Dat, personally i would just back up my data and install fresh [06:41] Dat: you could also just wait 2 weeks [06:41] plop_its_ellie: i was already on a fresh install so i have nothing to loose [06:41] but i would wait probably a couple weeks to a month after the .1 release before doing the upgrade [06:41] and test it on a non production system in the meantime [06:41] 16.04 still has some bugs... [06:42] plop_its_ellie: ahh gotcha [06:42] maybe I should go with 15.04 for now [06:42] Dat, i wouldnt recommend that [06:42] its not even supported anymore [06:42] just stick to 14.04 in the mean time [06:42] oh dang [06:43] ;/ [06:43] whats wrong with 14.04? [06:43] nothing at all that I can see [06:43] always worked well for me. [06:43] well there you go :) [06:44] i was just trying to get the latest and greatest since im on a fresh install [06:44] well if you are going to do a fresh install, no uprgades i guess you might as well go 16.04 tho [06:45] just keep in mine that there are some bugs tho... [06:45] otherwise if you want more stability then wait a bit longer on 14.04 [06:45] gotcha [06:45] i like stableness [06:45] so 14.04 it is [06:46] i suppose I'll kill the do-release and re-install [06:46] thx for the tips plop_its_ellie! :) [06:46] yep :) [06:52] Hello, I am attempting to start a GRE tunnel upon reboot but for some reason the ip route commands aren't being run by crontab [06:56] How do I install JACK in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS [06:57] is there a jackd package? === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [06:58] jim: yes, in xenial [06:59] jim, I downloaded cadence from kxstudio [06:59]