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bumbleheadhi I've uploaded a new version of a click package to ubuntu touch05:24
bumbleheadthe package requires cjk support05:25
bumbleheadis there something that needs to be specified in the click package somewhere...05:25
bumbleheadto ensure the client has cjk support?05:25
bumbleheadcjk is chinese/japanese/korean text05:26
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ubot5Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases13:04
bregmaneed a different bot for Ubuntu Touch13:04
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, indeed I was just thinking that13:05
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen I saw stuff like release h eh13:05
SebthreeBQM10HDa new versibion of Ubuntu touch every six months uhmm right :D13:06
SebthreeBQM10HDmore like every six  weeks or so awesome :)13:06
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, how's progress of 12, when is likely to be released?13:06
bregmalast I read on the mailing list it's in good shape and due for release real soon (I don't know specifics, sorry)13:07
SebthreeBQM10HDoh ok :)13:08
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, and how's Libertine anything coming along :D13:08
bregmanot too bad, Chris has cut-and-paste working in a developer silo13:09
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, what's a silo?13:11
SebthreeBQM10HDwho's Chris?13:11
SebthreeBQM10HDand ah yeah you said  clickable links is ota 13 ?13:11
SebthreeBQM10HDtouch screen keyboard was ota 12 though?  I did go through the ota 12 feature propslas and so on the other night/day and for previous releases actsaully from the link13:12
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SebthreeBQM10HDoh not this again13:12
SebthreeBQM10HDok change it back to how it's meant to be the topic13:12
bregmaChris is the developer working on that task, and a "silo" is a kind of PPA that pulls in changes from different projects and lets you test then, then automatically published the results when everyone is satisfied13:13
SebthreeBQM10HDah right I see :)13:13
SebthreeBQM10HDpublish the results as in part of the update?13:14
bregmayes, exactly13:14
SebthreeBQM10HDand  Ithought about maybe going on the like dev previw ethingey, or eventually with something maybe, get stuff early to test etc13:14
SebthreeBQM10HDhow about the librtine gui app store, that's not likely untill say I don't know OTA 15 maybe?13:15
bregmaI think we're waiting for the copy-and-paste to land in an OTA first so we can collect feedback13:16
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I still think that's a real advantage being able to run lots of Desktop Linux type ( although ok compiled for ARM not x86/64 but yes same  kind of programs ) on Ubuntu13:16
SebthreeBQM10HDwho needs Android apps, when can run things like FIrefox, VLC, Libre Office, etc etc13:16
bregmaon releasing in stages: we can test all we want, but it's impossible to anticipate all of the weird and wonderful ways people use things, so releasing something to the public always results in all kinds of unexpected bugs13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah public is testers for now to if that's what you mean13:17
SebthreeBQM10HDnew features slowlgy features by features13:18
SebthreeBQM10HDtrue new features new bugs13:18
bregmathere no way we can test everything running *in* libertine, it's just not scalable13:19
SebthreeBQM10HDindeed to that13:19
SebthreeBQM10HDbut haing a gui way to easilly install mroe programs into libertine will be good, when that comes :)13:19
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I can imagine a site such as omgubuntu saying how great it is to be able to do that, once that happens as well :d13:20
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, a bit like today they posted something about Unity in Windows 10 using the new thing for yeah Ubuntu in Windows13:20
bregmaI can imagine that too...  I'm anticipating the tidal wave of support queries13:21
* bregma goes to book vacation for that week13:21
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma,  he h13:21
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, certain things like what we been talking about currrently lacking, but once they are there13:22
SebthreeBQM10HDthat will bring in13:22
SebthreeBQM10HDthat should bring in13:22
SebthreeBQM10HDquite a few new people to Ubuntu devices13:22
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, it's awesome really,  how things are progressing, I reember when the default browser was so horrible that it coudn't even clear the history!13:23
bregmayou can clear the history now? :)13:23
SebthreeBQM10HDand when the report crashes to Canonical feature trying to disable it well, woudl just put it on again tick13:24
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yes can clear history now it seems13:24
SebthreeBQM10HDand  can also untick report crahses to Canonical13:24
SebthreeBQM10HDbut when that BQ Aquarious BQ 4.5 phone came out with the Ubuntu touch on there by default, nope13:24
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I keep that on a old version, I thought I Had lost that phone last year to, but it turned up  here in Janurary :)13:25
SebthreeBQM10HDso not been updated since like June, but by keeping it on a old version, when I do have it on, can start seeing progress more as well as time goes on :D13:25
SebthreeBQM10HDfor example it's got the old plymouth or whatever boot up screen13:25
SebthreeBQM10HDit's got all the colours for shutting down on the buttons as well, not sure why that changed13:26
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, I was showing two guys at my LUG my UBuntu devices and such last month :d13:26
bregmayou should write a blog post or something comparing the progress, it would be interesting13:26
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, wel I could maybe, but I don't do blog posts13:27
SebthreeBQM10HDbut yes ther will be a load of background changes that are known about or not, but it's the end user changes that may notice13:27
SebthreeBQM10HDthe differences you see you willl notice13:27
bregmaI had a blog post two years ago about Unity 8 on the desktop with screenshots, and it sure has changed a lot13:28
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah it's a bit like if you load up say Ubuntu 5.0413:28
SebthreeBQM10HDyou'll see that GNOME 2 changed quite a bit since then as well13:28
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat you see as a user13:28
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, also at that kind of time the debate as if Desktop Linux could go more main streame or not,  general pubic,  specfically or mostly Ubuntu13:29
SebthreeBQM10HDthat didn't happen13:29
bregmaheh, Unity 8 on desktop in JJanuary of 2014: https://bregmatter.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/unity8-home.jpg13:29
SebthreeBQM10HDbut it's like we are kind of livingg that again or kind of thing13:29
SebthreeBQM10HDbut diffenretly  now13:29
SebthreeBQM10HDvia these Ubuntu devices, which yep aren't ready yet for the more general public, but maybe in a year or two or so ?13:30
SebthreeBQM10HDactusally if just going to do email and browsing and take some photos, then I guess it's already ready realy :D13:30
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, clickable links will be nice :D I can't click that13:31
SebthreeBQM10HDthat's like  feaures that are seen as basics must have,  if going to get out there to the public :D13:31
SebthreeBQM10HDyes as techis we are more forgiving about lack of stuff like that, when we have the technical reasons13:32
bregmaI tried taking a bunch of photos with my m10 yesterday, they all turned out like crap13:32
bregmanot the device, just the photographer13:32
SebthreeBQM10HDhold on be right back13:32
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, back13:55
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, ok just seen the screenshot that looks a bit like a old gnome 3 shell prewview or something14:00
liv21I cannot access the settings on Meizu Pro 5 in order to enable Developer Mode14:17
liv21Is there a way to flash the device without Developer Mode enabled?14:18
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, yes probably14:31
liv21Do you know how?14:31
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, I think developer mode is to enable some features not enabled by default mostly14:36
SebthreeBQM10HDnot needed to use that on any Ubuntu device14:36
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, I also think you can probably download an image14:37
SebthreeBQM10HDof Ubuntu TOUCH for the device from Meizu, well ok BQ provide them, I am not sure about Meizu14:37
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, then via a computer and USB cable you could start over completly14:37
liv21My on screen keyboard disappeared after I tried to install libertine. I want to start fresh but I can't figure out how to access the device to flash the new image because without Dev mode enabled14:38
liv21ADB finds no device14:39
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, no that's ok about the keyboard14:40
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, that's meant to be14:40
SebthreeBQM10HDfor now14:40
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, FIrefox,  Gimp, Gedit,  anything via Libertine for now will only work with a pshyicall keyboard,  that's via a bluetooth keyboard of a usb computer keyboard via otg device14:41
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, for now they won't work with the touch screen keyboard only native programs, however an update is coming, but not in the next over the air update ota 12, but I think in the next one or soon14:42
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, I have done a factory reset via the reset option,  on  BQ Aquarious 4.5 and Meizu MX 4. not a BQ M10 talet yet. there's an option in the settings14:43
liv21The phone reset and I have to use touch input to access my WIFI and set up the phone. The keyboard won't come up for anything at the moment14:43
SebthreeBQM10HDyou shoudn't need developer mode to do a factory reset as well14:43
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, the keyboard for now should only come up for native programs, so setting up the wifi would go under that,  but for nothing that uses Libertine14:43
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, maybe you have put it in desktop mode rather than tablet/phone mode, and so the touch screen keyboard isn't coming up for native programs, since it thinks you got a keyboard attached14:44
liv21It won't come up at all. That is the problem and I have not found a way to hard reset the device to factory settings. My phone is at the state when you first get it and have to set it up. That is my problem.14:45
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, so you haven't done the set up wizard ?14:45
SebthreeBQM10HDcompleted ?14:45
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, from an install  you would have the factory re set optioon in the settings that I mentioned earlier14:46
SebthreeBQM10HDbut without that hmm14:46
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, actusally tht's odd if your not getting toudh screen keyboard at all14:46
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, that  should come up  or well for some things such as the wireless password14:46
SebthreeBQM10HDyou click on the forward button using the touch screen though ?14:47
SebthreeBQM10HDyou can click on ?14:47
liv21The Libertine install failed and reset the phone and I am stuck. I can't find a solution yet.14:47
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey,  ping about by any chance? I know you got that phone the Meizu Pro 514:47
bregmacan't you skip the wireless password by hitting some button?14:47
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, what's the Libertine install,  did you do that yourself? I don't have a Meizu pro 5,  also bregma is a like LIbertine expert develooper started it14:48
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, if you have installed Liberitne yourself onto the Meizu Pro  5 then yes, I guess there could be an issue possibly14:48
SebthreeBQM10HDI don't think it has it by default yet ?14:49
liv21You can skip that but it comes to point of the set up that you can't skip. Yes, unfortunately I did the install myself14:49
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, thought you might be able to help liv21 since he's having issues with a Meizu pro 514:49
popeyliv21: theres a bug filed..14:49
SebthreeBQM10HDoh does the Meizu Pro 5 have like a installer set up option to optionally install Libertine or something ?14:50
ubot5Launchpad bug 1600582 in Canonical System Image "Installation of "Desktop Applications" breaks BQ Phones" [Critical,Confirmed]14:50
popeywe removed the package from the store14:51
liv21I saw the bug. Do you how to do the hard reset on the Pro 5? All the instructions on the net refer to the Android version and it doesn't work on the Ubuntu edition14:51
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, whch package ?14:51
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 ships with libertine and an empty Desktop Appplications click that needs to be updated to get the full set of applications14:51
bregmaformerly known as Puritine14:51
SebthreeBQM10HDso the pro 5 got purtine or the new whatever, but has issues14:51
SebthreeBQM10HDI see14:51
popeyi am on holiday14:52
bregmapopey, I believe the bug liv21 has is different from the puritine-breaks-Bq problem14:52
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, oh where you gone on holiday ?14:52
popeynot irc. byeeee14:52
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, ok enjoy your holday away from IRC14:52
popeybregma: knows more than me about tgis :)14:52
SebthreeBQM10HDpopey, yeah but he doesnt have the pro 514:53
SebthreeBQM10HDanwyay enjoy your holiday :)14:53
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 does not haver issues with Puritine, it's the older phones listed in the store as 'do not install this' that have a problem when you install it14:53
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, you should be in luck, bregma started Libertine  and of course knows a load more than me about Ubuntu Touch :D14:54
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, the problem liv21 is having actually has nothing to do with libertine14:54
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yes I thought it was something to do with the pro 5 itself possibly, hence pinging popey14:55
bregmafor some reason the OSK gets broken if you make your system writeable and then update it14:55
bregmathen, without the OSK, you're hosed14:55
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, did you make your system read writeble ?14:56
liv21I am so grateful for any help I can get. I and agree with bregma. It most likely has to do with how I installed the application.14:56
liv21I did make it writable.14:56
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, ok there we go then, that's why your having problems14:56
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, you probably did't need to make it wewritable at all to try LIbertine on the pro 5 by the way14:57
liv21It's possible. I am not an expert at all14:57
bregmaanyway, I think you can recover to factory settings using some hold-the-volume-button-during-power-up magic or something, but I'm definitely no expert on that device14:58
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, was purtine offered in the app store for the pro 5 before ?14:58
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, it's really an OTA-12 thing14:58
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat is ?14:58
bregmapuritine was in the store pre-OTA-12 for testing14:58
bregmaevidently it has failed in some cases14:58
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, you can factory re set, but you'll need a computer and a  usb cable to do it, and from the computer you'll have to put the image of Ubuntu touch a clean one a default one back on yourself I expect, but no don't know how to do it for the pro 514:59
bregmathe Pro 5 gets puritine by default in OTA-12 but it can't come with the system image update because of partition sizes14:59
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, oh right intereting, I didn't know it acsally went into the store, I thought it was just the M 10 demo really for the tablet and that was that or pretty much15:00
bregmaso it shipped as an empty click in the system image and was offered as an update in the store15:00
bregmawe just withdrew it from the store because it was causing lockup problems on older phones15:00
liv21The volume button during power magic d/n work on this phone. That is why I'm looking for a way to factory reset through the computer15:00
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, BQ provide images for the hardware of both Ubuntu and Android for people to download and put back on them selves15:00
bothhi, is there any shop (or autorised partner) in Lodon where I could buy ubuntu phone?15:01
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, Meizu probably do as well if you look around on there site or something15:01
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, not officaly no15:01
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, someone might be selling one there some whhere though15:01
bregmaliv21, I'm afraid there is probably no one here at this time that knows enough about the Pro 5 to offer a workaround, but this is the right channel for when they are around15:02
bregmaunless ogra_ happens to be around15:02
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, I think mhall119 may know how to re flash it, even if he doesn't have the pro 5,15:02
bregmahe might know15:02
bregmait's Sunday for most people, they take the day off15:03
* bregma goes to take the dog for a walk before accidents happen15:03
liv21Thank you so much guys. I'll try to figure it out and be patient and try to get on here during the week15:03
SebthreeBQM10HDliv21, since I remember a past thing do with libertine and he was like if it goes wrong you can re  flash15:03
bothis there anything I could do in London to get ubuntu phone tomorrow?15:06
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, why you want one so fast ?15:06
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, the only actsul Ubuntu Phone still on sale is uhmmm well actsually none from manfauctures currently15:07
bothI'm going on holiday, so I want it before that.15:07
SebthreeBQM10HDmight be able to  find something on Ebay but that's it15:07
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, no you can't get one by tommorow no chance15:07
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, unless you just happen to know someoen in Lonodn with one ready to give away or sell for example15:07
bothis there any progress bar (or table with dates) visible on ther internet, so I could track a progress of ubuntu phone development?15:09
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, devices, or the software itself?15:09
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, there are olike pages for the last few over the air updates, with the proposals and  how the software has progressed15:10
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, the hardware isn't done by Canonical or Ubuntu community people15:10
SebthreeBQM10HDmariogrip unoffically provides for certain toher hardware though15:11
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, but offialy it's only BQ and Meizu doing Ubuntu devices currently15:11
bothwhy availability is so low, while demand is quite high?15:15
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, good question :)15:16
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, I agree with that, that the demand is actusally quite high amoung those who know about it,  more so than BQ and Meizu think15:16
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, I am not that happy that  BQ currently only sells the two tablet versions, but no Ubuntu phone, they had two before in the past year and a bit15:16
SebthreeBQM10HDand neither are sold from them directly now15:17
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, Meizu should be releasing a MX 6 Ubuntu Edition next month15:17
SebthreeBQM10HDbut the pro 5 didn't last that long untill went out of stock.  and the MX 4 is great I got that15:17
SebthreeBQM10HDand a BQ 4.515:17
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, I have the first two Ubuntu Phones from last year, so the one from BQ, and the one from Meizu15:18
SebthreeBQM10HDboth and one of the tablets15:18
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, I think Meizu and BQ mostly use UBuntu to sell old stock of  phones they still have enough of left after selling them with Android, altouhg BQ did actsaully do some hardware changes to the BQ 4.5 Ubuntu Edition15:19
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, Ubuntu devices are currently also aimed still at developers and early adopters, more will come later and more stock I expect15:21
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, yes if you wait a bit15:28
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, oh it's July already15:28
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, ok in about  a week or so, I think the annoucment for the MX 6 acstaully being availale with Ubuntu Touch will be out15:28
SebthreeBQM10HDthat's a powerful phone15:28
SebthreeBQM10HDa bit pricy, but will be really nice phone :) and I am saying as someone who's been using the Meziu MX 4 for like 9 months or so now :)15:29
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, get in there and buy the Meizu MX 6 a bit later this month :) then you'll have an awesome Ubuntu Phone that was worth the wait as well and price! it will cost about 300 something pounds though it seems,  but will be worth the money15:30
SebthreeBQM10HDboth, be aware that no you can't run the commonly known Android apps with it,  but lots of DEsktop Linux programs are starting to come over anyway15:30
SebthreeBQM10HDor will be, that's mostly a demo stil15:33
kvmmmhi guys. If I plug my Ubuntu phone into a laptop, I can boot the phone OS using the laptop screen, right?16:46
mcphailkvmmm: no16:46
kvmmmoh darn, for some reason I thought that was possible16:47
mcphailkvmmm: some phines can connect by wires or wirelessly to tvs and monitors16:47
kvmmmSo it's not an Ubuntu OS feature but a phone feature?16:48
mcphailkvmmm: it is an Ubuntu feature limited by the hardware on each phone16:48
kvmmmah, ok16:48
kvmmmI'm thinking of putting Ubuntu on my Lumia 102016:49
kvmmmI'm also considering buying an Ubuntu phone16:49
mcphailkvmmm: is there a port to your device?16:49
kvmmmTiny USB thing; the same as with most phones16:50
mcphailkvmmm: no, has Ubuntu been made to run on your device?16:50
kvmmmI've read some people have been able to do it, but haven't tried yet16:51
mcphailkvmmm: it runs on a very small subset of available phones16:51
kvmmmmaybe I should just buy the Meizu Pro 516:53
filifunkthese are the devices right?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices16:53
mcphailfilifunk: i think so16:54
kvmmmanyone here own a Meizu Pro 5?16:55
filifunkmcphail:  I don't understand what are the drawbacks with those with a system image server and those without?16:55
kvmmmI'm wondering how the camera compares to other phones16:56
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filifunkDo you have to have service on the phone in order to get ubuntu onto it?  I'm considering buying one of these old phones and trying it out/16:57
kvmmmfilifunk I already have an old phone I'm planning to try it on :P17:13
filifunkkvmm which one?17:37
filifunkand do you have service on it?17:37
bregmafilifunk, no, you do not need service on a phone to install Ubuntu17:43
bregmaI have an old N4 that has never had a SIM and Ubuntu runs fine (WiFi only, just like a tablet)17:44
bregmaI also have an N4 with a SIM as my regular phone I use every day, so that works too17:45
filifunkawesome, I want the cheapest way to do this so I can buy an old phone and do this.  My ubuntu phone fantasy is being able to get terminal, ipython, mysql, my mysql databases that are currently on my desktop---onto my phone17:45
filifunkis that possible?17:46
* ahoneybun is trying to fix his SIM issue17:55
kvmmmso if I try to put Ubuntu on an unsupported phone, chances are I'll brick it, right?18:50
swalladge^ yeah probably. should be fine as long as you don't mess up the bootloader though22:55
swalladgeanyone having problems with ota 11 not automatically connected to remembered networks (wifi)?22:55
swalladgemine isn't recognizing that the wifi network is the same everytime i restart it. (end up with heaps of 'previous networks')22:56
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