[05:24] <bumblehead> hi I've uploaded a new version of a click package to ubuntu touch
[05:25] <bumblehead> the package requires cjk support
[05:25] <bumblehead> is there something that needs to be specified in the click package somewhere...
[05:25] <bumblehead> to ensure the client has cjk support?
[05:26] <bumblehead> cjk is chinese/japanese/korean text
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ota12
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !ota
[13:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !release
[13:04] <bregma> need a different bot for Ubuntu Touch
[13:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, indeed I was just thinking that
[13:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when I saw stuff like release h eh
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a new versibion of Ubuntu touch every six months uhmm right :D
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> more like every six  weeks or so awesome :)
[13:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, how's progress of 12, when is likely to be released?
[13:07] <bregma> last I read on the mailing list it's in good shape and due for release real soon (I don't know specifics, sorry)
[13:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok :)
[13:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, and how's Libertine anything coming along :D
[13:09] <bregma> not too bad, Chris has cut-and-paste working in a developer silo
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, what's a silo?
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who's Chris?
[13:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and ah yeah you said  clickable links is ota 13 ?
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> touch screen keyboard was ota 12 though?  I did go through the ota 12 feature propslas and so on the other night/day and for previous releases actsaully from the link
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh not this again
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok change it back to how it's meant to be the topic
[13:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> someone
[13:13] <bregma> Chris is the developer working on that task, and a "silo" is a kind of PPA that pulls in changes from different projects and lets you test then, then automatically published the results when everyone is satisfied
[13:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah right I see :)
[13:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> publish the results as in part of the update?
[13:14] <bregma> yes, exactly
[13:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  Ithought about maybe going on the like dev previw ethingey, or eventually with something maybe, get stuff early to test etc
[13:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how about the librtine gui app store, that's not likely untill say I don't know OTA 15 maybe?
[13:16] <bregma> I think we're waiting for the copy-and-paste to land in an OTA first so we can collect feedback
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I still think that's a real advantage being able to run lots of Desktop Linux type ( although ok compiled for ARM not x86/64 but yes same  kind of programs ) on Ubuntu
[13:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> who needs Android apps, when can run things like FIrefox, VLC, Libre Office, etc etc
[13:17] <bregma> on releasing in stages: we can test all we want, but it's impossible to anticipate all of the weird and wonderful ways people use things, so releasing something to the public always results in all kinds of unexpected bugs
[13:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah public is testers for now to if that's what you mean
[13:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> new features slowlgy features by features
[13:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> true new features new bugs
[13:19] <bregma> there no way we can test everything running *in* libertine, it's just not scalable
[13:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> indeed to that
[13:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but haing a gui way to easilly install mroe programs into libertine will be good, when that comes :)
[13:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I can imagine a site such as omgubuntu saying how great it is to be able to do that, once that happens as well :d
[13:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, a bit like today they posted something about Unity in Windows 10 using the new thing for yeah Ubuntu in Windows
[13:21] <bregma> I can imagine that too...  I'm anticipating the tidal wave of support queries
[13:21]  * bregma goes to book vacation for that week
[13:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma,  he h
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, certain things like what we been talking about currrently lacking, but once they are there
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that will bring in
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that should bring in
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> quite a few new people to Ubuntu devices
[13:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, it's awesome really,  how things are progressing, I reember when the default browser was so horrible that it coudn't even clear the history!
[13:23] <bregma> you can clear the history now? :)
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and when the report crashes to Canonical feature trying to disable it well, woudl just put it on again tick
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yes can clear history now it seems
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and  can also untick report crahses to Canonical
[13:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but when that BQ Aquarious BQ 4.5 phone came out with the Ubuntu touch on there by default, nope
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I keep that on a old version, I thought I Had lost that phone last year to, but it turned up  here in Janurary :)
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so not been updated since like June, but by keeping it on a old version, when I do have it on, can start seeing progress more as well as time goes on :D
[13:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for example it's got the old plymouth or whatever boot up screen
[13:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it's got all the colours for shutting down on the buttons as well, not sure why that changed
[13:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, I was showing two guys at my LUG my UBuntu devices and such last month :d
[13:26] <bregma> you should write a blog post or something comparing the progress, it would be interesting
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, wel I could maybe, but I don't do blog posts
[13:27] <bregma> yet
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but yes ther will be a load of background changes that are known about or not, but it's the end user changes that may notice
[13:27] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the differences you see you willl notice
[13:28] <bregma> I had a blog post two years ago about Unity 8 on the desktop with screenshots, and it sure has changed a lot
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah it's a bit like if you load up say Ubuntu 5.04
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you'll see that GNOME 2 changed quite a bit since then as well
[13:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what you see as a user
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, also at that kind of time the debate as if Desktop Linux could go more main streame or not,  general pubic,  specfically or mostly Ubuntu
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that didn't happen
[13:29] <bregma> heh, Unity 8 on desktop in JJanuary of 2014: https://bregmatter.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/unity8-home.jpg
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but it's like we are kind of livingg that again or kind of thing
[13:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but diffenretly  now
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> via these Ubuntu devices, which yep aren't ready yet for the more general public, but maybe in a year or two or so ?
[13:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> actusally if just going to do email and browsing and take some photos, then I guess it's already ready realy :D
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, clickable links will be nice :D I can't click that
[13:31] <bregma> soon....
[13:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's like  feaures that are seen as basics must have,  if going to get out there to the public :D
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes as techis we are more forgiving about lack of stuff like that, when we have the technical reasons
[13:32] <bregma> I tried taking a bunch of photos with my m10 yesterday, they all turned out like crap
[13:32] <bregma> not the device, just the photographer
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[13:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hold on be right back
[13:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, back
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, ok just seen the screenshot that looks a bit like a old gnome 3 shell prewview or something
[14:17] <liv21> I cannot access the settings on Meizu Pro 5 in order to enable Developer Mode
[14:18] <liv21> Is there a way to flash the device without Developer Mode enabled?
[14:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, yes probably
[14:31] <liv21> Do you know how?
[14:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I think developer mode is to enable some features not enabled by default mostly
[14:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not needed to use that on any Ubuntu device
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I also think you can probably download an image
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> of Ubuntu TOUCH for the device from Meizu, well ok BQ provide them, I am not sure about Meizu
[14:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, then via a computer and USB cable you could start over completly
[14:38] <liv21> My on screen keyboard disappeared after I tried to install libertine. I want to start fresh but I can't figure out how to access the device to flash the new image because without Dev mode enabled
[14:39] <liv21> ADB finds no device
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, no that's ok about the keyboard
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, that's meant to be
[14:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for now
[14:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, FIrefox,  Gimp, Gedit,  anything via Libertine for now will only work with a pshyicall keyboard,  that's via a bluetooth keyboard of a usb computer keyboard via otg device
[14:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, for now they won't work with the touch screen keyboard only native programs, however an update is coming, but not in the next over the air update ota 12, but I think in the next one or soon
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I have done a factory reset via the reset option,  on  BQ Aquarious 4.5 and Meizu MX 4. not a BQ M10 talet yet. there's an option in the settings
[14:43] <liv21> The phone reset and I have to use touch input to access my WIFI and set up the phone. The keyboard won't come up for anything at the moment
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you shoudn't need developer mode to do a factory reset as well
[14:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, the keyboard for now should only come up for native programs, so setting up the wifi would go under that,  but for nothing that uses Libertine
[14:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, maybe you have put it in desktop mode rather than tablet/phone mode, and so the touch screen keyboard isn't coming up for native programs, since it thinks you got a keyboard attached
[14:45] <liv21> It won't come up at all. That is the problem and I have not found a way to hard reset the device to factory settings. My phone is at the state when you first get it and have to set it up. That is my problem.
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, so you haven't done the set up wizard ?
[14:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> completed ?
[14:46] <liv21> Exactly.
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, from an install  you would have the factory re set optioon in the settings that I mentioned earlier
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but without that hmm
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, actusally tht's odd if your not getting toudh screen keyboard at all
[14:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, that  should come up  or well for some things such as the wireless password
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you click on the forward button using the touch screen though ?
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you can click on ?
[14:47] <liv21> The Libertine install failed and reset the phone and I am stuck. I can't find a solution yet.
[14:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey,  ping about by any chance? I know you got that phone the Meizu Pro 5
[14:47] <bregma> can't you skip the wireless password by hitting some button?
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, what's the Libertine install,  did you do that yourself? I don't have a Meizu pro 5,  also bregma is a like LIbertine expert develooper started it
[14:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, if you have installed Liberitne yourself onto the Meizu Pro  5 then yes, I guess there could be an issue possibly
[14:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I don't think it has it by default yet ?
[14:49] <popey> hm?
[14:49] <liv21> You can skip that but it comes to point of the set up that you can't skip. Yes, unfortunately I did the install myself
[14:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, thought you might be able to help liv21 since he's having issues with a Meizu pro 5
[14:49] <popey> liv21: theres a bug filed..
[14:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh does the Meizu Pro 5 have like a installer set up option to optionally install Libertine or something ?
[14:50] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1600582
[14:51] <popey> we removed the package from the store
[14:51] <liv21> I saw the bug. Do you how to do the hard reset on the Pro 5? All the instructions on the net refer to the Android version and it doesn't work on the Ubuntu edition
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, whch package ?
[14:51] <popey> puritine
[14:51] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 ships with libertine and an empty Desktop Appplications click that needs to be updated to get the full set of applications
[14:51] <bregma> formerly known as Puritine
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so the pro 5 got purtine or the new whatever, but has issues
[14:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I see
[14:51] <popey> dunno
[14:52] <popey> i am on holiday
[14:52] <bregma> popey, I believe the bug liv21 has is different from the puritine-breaks-Bq problem
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, oh where you gone on holiday ?
[14:52] <popey> not irc. byeeee
[14:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, ok enjoy your holday away from IRC
[14:52] <popey> bregma: knows more than me about tgis :)
[14:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> popey, yeah but he doesnt have the pro 5
[14:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anwyay enjoy your holiday :)
[14:53] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the Pro 5 does not haver issues with Puritine, it's the older phones listed in the store as 'do not install this' that have a problem when you install it
[14:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you should be in luck, bregma started Libertine  and of course knows a load more than me about Ubuntu Touch :D
[14:54] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, the problem liv21 is having actually has nothing to do with libertine
[14:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yes I thought it was something to do with the pro 5 itself possibly, hence pinging popey
[14:55] <bregma> for some reason the OSK gets broken if you make your system writeable and then update it
[14:55] <bregma> then, without the OSK, you're hosed
[14:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, did you make your system read writeble ?
[14:56] <liv21> I am so grateful for any help I can get. I and agree with bregma. It most likely has to do with how I installed the application.
[14:56] <liv21> I did make it writable.
[14:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, ok there we go then, that's why your having problems
[14:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you probably did't need to make it wewritable at all to try LIbertine on the pro 5 by the way
[14:57] <bregma> depends....
[14:57] <liv21> It's possible. I am not an expert at all
[14:58] <bregma> anyway, I think you can recover to factory settings using some hold-the-volume-button-during-power-up magic or something, but I'm definitely no expert on that device
[14:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, was purtine offered in the app store for the pro 5 before ?
[14:58] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, it's really an OTA-12 thing
[14:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what is ?
[14:58] <bregma> puritine was in the store pre-OTA-12 for testing
[14:58] <bregma> evidently it has failed in some cases
[14:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, you can factory re set, but you'll need a computer and a  usb cable to do it, and from the computer you'll have to put the image of Ubuntu touch a clean one a default one back on yourself I expect, but no don't know how to do it for the pro 5
[14:59] <bregma> the Pro 5 gets puritine by default in OTA-12 but it can't come with the system image update because of partition sizes
[15:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, oh right intereting, I didn't know it acsally went into the store, I thought it was just the M 10 demo really for the tablet and that was that or pretty much
[15:00] <bregma> so it shipped as an empty click in the system image and was offered as an update in the store
[15:00] <bregma> we just withdrew it from the store because it was causing lockup problems on older phones
[15:00] <liv21> The volume button during power magic d/n work on this phone. That is why I'm looking for a way to factory reset through the computer
[15:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, BQ provide images for the hardware of both Ubuntu and Android for people to download and put back on them selves
[15:01] <both> hi, is there any shop (or autorised partner) in Lodon where I could buy ubuntu phone?
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, Meizu probably do as well if you look around on there site or something
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, not officaly no
[15:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, someone might be selling one there some whhere though
[15:02] <bregma> liv21, I'm afraid there is probably no one here at this time that knows enough about the Pro 5 to offer a workaround, but this is the right channel for when they are around
[15:02] <bregma> unless ogra_ happens to be around
[15:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, I think mhall119 may know how to re flash it, even if he doesn't have the pro 5,
[15:02] <bregma> he might know
[15:03] <bregma> it's Sunday for most people, they take the day off
[15:03]  * bregma goes to take the dog for a walk before accidents happen
[15:03] <liv21> Thank you so much guys. I'll try to figure it out and be patient and try to get on here during the week
[15:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> liv21, since I remember a past thing do with libertine and he was like if it goes wrong you can re  flash
[15:06] <both> is there anything I could do in London to get ubuntu phone tomorrow?
[15:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, why you want one so fast ?
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, the only actsul Ubuntu Phone still on sale is uhmmm well actsually none from manfauctures currently
[15:07] <both> I'm going on holiday, so I want it before that.
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> might be able to  find something on Ebay but that's it
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, no you can't get one by tommorow no chance
[15:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, unless you just happen to know someoen in Lonodn with one ready to give away or sell for example
[15:09] <both> is there any progress bar (or table with dates) visible on ther internet, so I could track a progress of ubuntu phone development?
[15:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, devices, or the software itself?
[15:10] <both> devices
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, there are olike pages for the last few over the air updates, with the proposals and  how the software has progressed
[15:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, the hardware isn't done by Canonical or Ubuntu community people
[15:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> mariogrip unoffically provides for certain toher hardware though
[15:11] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, but offialy it's only BQ and Meizu doing Ubuntu devices currently
[15:15] <both> why availability is so low, while demand is quite high?
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, good question :)
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I agree with that, that the demand is actusally quite high amoung those who know about it,  more so than BQ and Meizu think
[15:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I am not that happy that  BQ currently only sells the two tablet versions, but no Ubuntu phone, they had two before in the past year and a bit
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and neither are sold from them directly now
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, Meizu should be releasing a MX 6 Ubuntu Edition next month
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but the pro 5 didn't last that long untill went out of stock.  and the MX 4 is great I got that
[15:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and a BQ 4.5
[15:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I have the first two Ubuntu Phones from last year, so the one from BQ, and the one from Meizu
[15:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both and one of the tablets
[15:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, I think Meizu and BQ mostly use UBuntu to sell old stock of  phones they still have enough of left after selling them with Android, altouhg BQ did actsaully do some hardware changes to the BQ 4.5 Ubuntu Edition
[15:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, Ubuntu devices are currently also aimed still at developers and early adopters, more will come later and more stock I expect
[15:28] <both> thx
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, yes if you wait a bit
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, oh it's July already
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, ok in about  a week or so, I think the annoucment for the MX 6 acstaully being availale with Ubuntu Touch will be out
[15:28] <SebthreeBQM10HD> that's a powerful phone
[15:29] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a bit pricy, but will be really nice phone :) and I am saying as someone who's been using the Meziu MX 4 for like 9 months or so now :)
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, get in there and buy the Meizu MX 6 a bit later this month :) then you'll have an awesome Ubuntu Phone that was worth the wait as well and price! it will cost about 300 something pounds though it seems,  but will be worth the money
[15:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> both, be aware that no you can't run the commonly known Android apps with it,  but lots of DEsktop Linux programs are starting to come over anyway
[15:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or will be, that's mostly a demo stil
[16:46] <kvmmm> hi guys. If I plug my Ubuntu phone into a laptop, I can boot the phone OS using the laptop screen, right?
[16:46] <mcphail> kvmmm: no
[16:47] <kvmmm> oh darn, for some reason I thought that was possible
[16:47] <mcphail> kvmmm: some phines can connect by wires or wirelessly to tvs and monitors
[16:48] <kvmmm> So it's not an Ubuntu OS feature but a phone feature?
[16:48] <mcphail> kvmmm: it is an Ubuntu feature limited by the hardware on each phone
[16:48] <kvmmm> ah, ok
[16:49] <kvmmm> I'm thinking of putting Ubuntu on my Lumia 1020
[16:49] <kvmmm> I'm also considering buying an Ubuntu phone
[16:49] <mcphail> kvmmm: is there a port to your device?
[16:50] <kvmmm> Tiny USB thing; the same as with most phones
[16:50] <mcphail> kvmmm: no, has Ubuntu been made to run on your device?
[16:51] <kvmmm> I've read some people have been able to do it, but haven't tried yet
[16:51] <mcphail> kvmmm: it runs on a very small subset of available phones
[16:53] <kvmmm> maybe I should just buy the Meizu Pro 5
[16:53] <filifunk> these are the devices right?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:54] <mcphail> filifunk: i think so
[16:55] <kvmmm> anyone here own a Meizu Pro 5?
[16:55] <filifunk> mcphail:  I don't understand what are the drawbacks with those with a system image server and those without?
[16:56] <kvmmm> I'm wondering how the camera compares to other phones
[16:57] <filifunk> Do you have to have service on the phone in order to get ubuntu onto it?  I'm considering buying one of these old phones and trying it out/
[17:13] <kvmmm> filifunk I already have an old phone I'm planning to try it on :P
[17:37] <filifunk> kvmm which one?
[17:37] <filifunk> and do you have service on it?
[17:43] <bregma> filifunk, no, you do not need service on a phone to install Ubuntu
[17:44] <bregma> I have an old N4 that has never had a SIM and Ubuntu runs fine (WiFi only, just like a tablet)
[17:45] <bregma> I also have an N4 with a SIM as my regular phone I use every day, so that works too
[17:45] <filifunk> awesome, I want the cheapest way to do this so I can buy an old phone and do this.  My ubuntu phone fantasy is being able to get terminal, ipython, mysql, my mysql databases that are currently on my desktop---onto my phone
[17:46] <filifunk> is that possible?
[17:55]  * ahoneybun is trying to fix his SIM issue
[18:50] <kvmmm> so if I try to put Ubuntu on an unsupported phone, chances are I'll brick it, right?
[22:55] <swalladge> ^ yeah probably. should be fine as long as you don't mess up the bootloader though
[22:55] <swalladge> anyone having problems with ota 11 not automatically connected to remembered networks (wifi)?
[22:56] <swalladge> mine isn't recognizing that the wifi network is the same everytime i restart it. (end up with heaps of 'previous networks')