[06:40] <Kilos> morning all
[08:15] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[08:15] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[09:54] <superfly> Morning Kilos, paddatrapper 
[09:55] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[10:56] <paddatrapper> Hey superfly
[14:37] <magespawn> good afternoon
[14:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[14:45] <magespawn> how goes it Kilos ?
[14:45] <Kilos> ok ty magespawn and there
[14:46] <magespawn> bit chilly today
[14:46] <magespawn> but otherwise all good
[14:55] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[14:55] <pavlushka> Hey magespawn 
[14:55] <magespawn> hi pavlushka 
[14:56] <Kilos> yes magespawn 
[14:56] <magespawn> back
[14:57] <Kilos> wb
[14:59] <magespawn> computer locked trying to play a video file
[14:59] <Kilos> ouch
[15:01] <magespawn> very small pc aspire one, so not too surprising really
[15:04] <Kilos> physically small?
[15:04] <Kilos> or ram and performance small
[15:05] <magespawn> both
[15:05] <Kilos> whew
[15:06] <magespawn> but handy to carry every where
[15:15] <magespawn> thinking about getting a new machine, perhaps before the end of the year
[15:18] <Kilos> laptop?
[15:18] <Kilos> they are expensive things
[15:19] <Kilos> but if you hunt around you can get bargains
[15:19] <Kilos> ian paid 2.5k for this i5
[15:36] <magespawn> and it you wait for the specials then you can also get good deals
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: 2nd hand or new? 
[16:48] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[16:49] <inetpro> 2.5K for an i5 sounds like a good deal 
[17:19] <Kilos> rebuild inetpro 
[17:20] <kulelu88> how do I undo an apt-get install dist-upgrade?
[17:32] <magespawn> no idea kulelu88 
[17:32] <kulelu88> fek
[17:33] <Kilos> what broke kulelu88 
[17:34] <kulelu88> I need to revert back to an older kernel
[17:35] <Kilos> cant you chose on booting in the grub menu
[17:35] <kulelu88> how do I access the grub menu on a remote server?
[17:36] <Kilos> oh my
[17:37] <magespawn> can you still access the computer?
[17:39] <kulelu88> yeah, everything works, I can ssh into it
[17:40] <kulelu88> I just need to undo my installs 
[17:40] <kulelu88> although I am now just upgrading to 16.04
[17:40] <magespawn> i think there is a way that you edit grub manually to specifiy which kernel to use
[17:44] <superfly> Or uninstall the kernel you don't want 
[17:47] <kulelu88> superfly: won't I need to uninstall everything the dist-upgrade installed?
[17:48] <inetpro> try booting with the old kernel first kulelu88 
[17:48] <kulelu88> I have no idea how to boot remotely
[17:48] <inetpro> uh oh! 
[17:49] <magespawn> you can do sudo shutdown now -r but only after you have specified the kernel to use
[17:50] <inetpro> should be relatively simple to change but I haven't done it since grub2
[17:50] <inetpro> I mean before grub2
[17:50] <superfly> Just uninstall the old kernel. Grub will rerun and you should be fine 
[17:50] <magespawn> what does ubuntu use as a boot loader now/
[17:50] <magespawn> ?
[17:50] <inetpro> do what superfly suggests 
[17:51] <superfly> Depends on the versions began the kernels of course 
[17:51] <superfly> *between 
[17:51] <kulelu88> let me try upgrading to 16.04 instead. LXD wasn't working before the dist-upgrade either
[17:52] <superfly> I'm busy getting kids to bed, I'll chat more about our when I'm done 
[17:53] <superfly> *it
[17:53] <superfly> kulelu88: just hold on 
[17:53] <kulelu88> alright, no problem. just reading up about upgrading LTS. 
[17:54] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[17:57] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos, alo 
[18:03] <nlsthzn> all well in ZA land I hope?!
[18:04] <Kilos> yip just winter again, how bout there
[18:05] <kulelu88> apart from the country gradually falling apart, all is well
[18:06] <nlsthzn> hot as hell but that is to be expected
[18:28] <magespawn> nlsthzn: i think that we are currently at the other end of that
[18:28] <nlsthzn> well the heat has to go someplace :p
[18:29] <Kilos> lol
[18:29] <magespawn> indeed and we have had a mild winter so far
[18:29] <Kilos> yeah but still eina cold
[18:30] <kulelu88> hot > cold
[18:32] <nlsthzn> can always put on more clothes, can't get more naked than naked
[18:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:33] <kulelu88> I disagree with that. There is only a certain amount of clothes you can wear before you become immobile
[18:33] <kulelu88> or before the clothes start tearing
[18:33] <Kilos> i agree
[18:34] <superfly> kulelu88: if you want to upgrade from release to release (or LTS to LTS) you need to use the do-release-upgrade command
[18:34] <kulelu88> superfly: I wanted to get LXD running on 14.04. I want to avoid systemd as best I can, but 14.04 is wonky with LXD
[18:35] <kulelu88> how is/was debconf? superfly 
[18:35] <superfly> kulelu88: systemd is more hype than anything else.
[18:35] <superfly> kulelu88: good, tiring.
[18:35] <superfly> kulelu88: people really enjoyed it
[18:35] <kulelu88> its also bloatware superfly . linux shouldn't have such a large dependency . apparently you can remove it from debian jessie easily without breaking anything?
[18:36]  * nlsthzn still wants to check out some of the vids
[18:36] <kulelu88> I would have come for it, but cape town in winter ...
[18:37] <superfly> kulelu88: it was hardly winter
[18:37] <superfly> some cold nights, and 1 rainy day
[18:37] <superfly> "It was a very good DebConf... the best so far. (and Daytrip, Conference Dinner: I doubt some other DebConf could do better)"
[18:37] <nlsthzn> gents, I go sleep... have a good one
[18:37] <superfly> nlsthzn: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/
[18:37] <Kilos> night nlsthzn 
[18:37] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:38]  * superfly is in the process of putting them up on the site
[18:38] <nlsthzn> thanks superfly...
[18:38] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos 
[18:38] <kulelu88> you tinkered with Devuan? superfly 
[18:38] <kulelu88> what's the link to the debconf videos? 
[18:38] <Kilos> i ssaid night to nlsthzn inetpro 
[18:38] <superfly> kulelu88: negative
[18:38] <Kilos> keep up man
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <inetpro> ah
[18:38] <superfly> kulelu88: the one I posted for nlsthzn
[18:38]  * inetpro would have loved to follow the conference, but... 
[18:39] <kulelu88> that's download no? I want to stream it
[18:39] <superfly> inetpro: alweer in 'n dwaal
[18:39] <superfly> kulelu88: in Firefox that'll stream it
[18:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:39] <inetpro> there's just not enough time in a day 
[18:39] <Kilos> nog steeds
[18:39] <inetpro> ai! 
[18:43] <kulelu88> I guess I should upgrade to 16.04 and hope LXD works :D
[18:43] <kulelu88> superfly: is a rolling release better for servers or a stable?
[18:43] <superfly> kulelu88: don't use a rolling release on a server
[18:43] <superfly> kulelu88: stable or Ubuntu LTS
[18:44] <superfly> http://gizmodo.com/apollo-11s-source-code-is-a-surprisingly-hilarious-arti-1783415335
[18:44] <kulelu88> is there such a thing where you get a rolling release that releases stable features? 
[18:44] <kulelu88> eg. a rolling release that releases stable kernel updates?
[18:48] <inetpro> server software should always be tried and tested extensively 
[18:48] <Kilos> ok now i sleep. night all. rest well
[18:49] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[18:49] <magespawn> good night Kilos 
[18:49] <magespawn> now inetpro 
[18:49] <inetpro> goeienag Kilos 
[18:50] <inetpro> too late 
[18:55] <kulelu88> superfly: are you guys using docker yet?
[18:56] <superfly> kulelu88: yes
[18:56] <kulelu88> what do you guys use for build automation? 
[18:58] <superfly> Go-CD
[18:58] <superfly> http://go.cd/
[19:00] <superfly> we have containers running Go-CD, and then we mount docker's socket from the container back to the host machine so that the host machine does the actual builds, and then push the builds up to a repository
[19:00] <superfly> (very meta)
[19:06] <superfly> kulelu88: http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2016/debconf16/systemd_in_Debian_a_status_update.webm
[19:48] <magespawn> i am also off to bed, good night all
[21:39] <kulelu88> I was going to watch that video just now superfly